Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1060

Question
I want to add fewline with draft name Lakhahi Raj Preetikasingh (talk) 13:48, 11 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Your question isn't clear. If you are trying to check whether you have resubmitted your draft for another review, the answer is yes, as indicated by the brown box at the foot of the draft.  As it says there: "Review waiting, please be patient.  This may take 8 weeks or more, since drafts are reviewed in no specific order. There are 1,346 pending submissions waiting for review.". --David Biddulph (talk) 14:19, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

First kindly tell that reference for draft are sufficient or not Second I want to rename the draft Lakhahi Raj as Lakhahi Raj (Lakhahi Estate) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Preetikasingh (talk • contribs) 14:29, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Hello again, . The cited sources in Draft:Lakhahi Raj are currently far from sufficient.
 * The first goes to a search page. Cited sources should go to a specific source, not a place where a user can search for sources
 * the second, https://www.jagran.com/lite/home.html is currently not working.
 * The third, https://www.thehouseoflakhahi.blogspot.com/ is apparently a blog. Blogs are normally not reliable sources in addition, my browser reports some sort of security threat at this site.
 * Moreover, the section "GENEALOGY" is just a list of people, presumably rulers. It does not give their dates, nor any information on how they are related to each other, so there is no actual Geneology provided. Also section titles should not be in all caps. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 14:41, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

And the last one — Preceding unsigned comment added by Preetikasingh (talk • contribs) 14:48, 11 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Adding one more unpublished reference and resubmitting for yet another review is liable to be regarded as tendentious editing, continuation of which could be liable to get the draft rejected, rather than merely declined, and could get you blocked from editing. You have been given links to the page: WP:reliable sources; it would be wise for you to read it.  --David Biddulph (talk) 14:51, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

Rejected article for unclear reason [Draft:Vibease]
Draft:Vibease Hi there, My recent draft was rejected by User_talk:Sulfurboy because the article accused to be an advertisement. The article just stated the basic facts about the company. Please let me know which section does it look like an advertisement? It's frustrating to see other pages blatant advertising their product and get away with it. i.e. MysteryVibe lovense Thank you Paul Handri (talk) 05:44, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
 * (Paul Handri) I see, I am very sorry for any inconvenience I will review your request again. --Victoria &#38; Landmarks (talk) 05:54, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Kindly do not pretend to be a reviewer who has reviewed the draft. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 )  06:04, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Paul - other stuff exists is not a valid argument (it often leads to the examples raised being deleted!). Each article has to stand on its own merits. Older articles especially were created under at-that-time lower standards. David notMD (talk) 11:31, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I have cleaned up MysteryVibe. I am assuming its notability was checked when it was reviewed by WP:NPP. I also trimmed out the product listing from lovense. Please note WP:Otherstuffexists though. Usedtobecool ☎️ 12:22, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
 * On Draft:Vibease, I don't see any references for the first paragraph in the Background section or for most of the items in the Products section. While writing the draft, you should be summarizing what the independent reliable sources state.  Hope this helps!  GoingBatty (talk) 15:15, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi all, : : : : Thanks for all your feedback. I'm new and I learn a lot.
 * I have added references as suggested.

i wanna make a page but...
I really want to make a page for Kienan Robert, aka Poofesure, but there are no sources for him besides his twitter and his YouTube wiki, of which I have been told are "unreliable sources" even though he himself wrote them. He is pretty famous... hes got around 1.5 million subscribers on YouTube and has about 100 000 on Twitch.

Draft:Poofesure

here's the draft I made.

this document probably didnt work and im gonna get banned but, whatever. Nolanisntfunny (talk) 02:32, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse! People who are popular on social media do not necessarily meet Wikipedia's standards for inclusion, called "notability".  The guideline for people is at Notability (people).  Wikipedia articles summarize what independent sources say about the person, so if there are no independent sources, maybe it's just too soon to create an article.  GoingBatty (talk) 02:48, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
 * "Even though he himself wrote them" is exactly what's wrong. That's called a primary source and cannot be used for anything except to cite the most mundane facts – things about which the subject/writer would not be expected to fabricate or embellish. They do not contribute to the notability requirement at all. —[  Alan M 1  (talk) ]— 03:38, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
 * If a topic has received in  that are, it is  to be suitable for a stand-alone article or list.  dibbydib  boop or snoop

aight, i think im gonna wait a little while until he's a bit more famous. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nolanisntfunny (talk • contribs) 16:23, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

Trouble with sandbox
Hello,

When I click edit source on my sandbox it shows the article contains more content than when the sandbox article is published. For my specific article I have a section on Voters, Parties and politicians and Examples of valence issues when you view the being edited. yet when it is published the section on Parties and politicians and Examples of valence issues is removed and there is only a shorted section on voters, why is that and how do I fix it?

ThanksWikiNicholasUvA (talk) 09:47, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi WikiNicholasUvA, welcome to the Teahouse. A starting  must be ended with  . Fixed in [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:WikiNicholasUvA/sandbox&diff=956066553&oldid=956065813]. There was an error message   at the first occurrence. If you fixed that and previewed then an eror message for the next showed up. PrimeHunter (talk) 09:59, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you so much PrimeHunter, I'll keep track of that now, it's for a university project so I thought my work had vanished.WikiNicholasUvA (talk) 10:05, 11 May 2020 (UTC)


 * . Looking at User:WikiNicholasUvA/sandbox I can also see that you have reinserted the almost identical reference time and time again. That is perhaps another reason it appears to be bloated when you use WP:Source Editor. If you look at the published sandbox page you can see those references at the bottom, many by Donald Stokes looking almost exactly the same except for different page numbers. This is very inelegant, but there is a very elegant way around this, whereby you give an easy-to-remember name to each reference, and then 'call it up' on all subsequent occasions. So, for example, your first use of the reference by Stokes could be named  followed by the citation details (except page number). The next need for it is simply written like this   . Note the closing slash "/" character, and leave out all the rest of the citation detail. That command calls up the detail from the full reference, meaning your reference section now only has one entry for the Stokes publication, but many ticks by it to show home many times it is cited in the page, and where. Then simply use the reference page template to add the page number(s) immediately after the reference, like this reference and then maybe  this: reference. For more guidance read WP:REFNAME, and let us know if this has helped ... or confused you! Nick Moyes (talk) 10:11, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

Need help referencing!!!
Ok, I am trying to reference and cite but I keep getting a message that I didn't do it right. This is how I did it: What is wrong with it? Please help!!!!


 * Dani Hart (Talk) 17:33, 11 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Hello, and welcome to the Teahouse. I am not sure how you got that wiki-code, but it is very much not correct. The reflist template is to indicate where the lsit of references should appear, usually in a "Notes" or "References" section. It should not, normally, be used more than once in an article. the "group=" parameter is for the special and very unusual case of having more than one group of notes that are to be labeled or numbered separately. reflist should not appear inside ma  tag.

See Referencing for Beginners for more detail. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 17:53, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

Oh goodness
(About the question above that I asked) It wont even show up because the referencing is wrong.....

This is how I did it. A message will probably show up because I did it wrong. I really need help!!! (As you can see) Dani Hart (Talk) 17:37, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
 * See my reply in the section above. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 17:53, 11 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Try this:
 * The template goes at the end of the article in the References section.
 * Note that you won't use the  and  tags that you will see if you edit this page. I just added those to help display the code here without actually creating a reference.
 * For more information about creating references, see Help:Referencing for beginners. Happy editing!  GoingBatty (talk) 17:58, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Is this what you wanted? — Preceding unsigned comment added by David notMD (talk • contribs) 18:13, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

How to get a page back from draft to article.
I was watching the TV show Maddysten on Danish TV. When I tried to look it and the hosts up on Wikipedia I noticed there were no pages about them. So I created some on the Danish Wiki and have also created a page on the English for Gorm Wisweh. But now it has been moved to a draft Draft:Gorm Wisweh. On other drafts I have done, there has been a submit button, but I can't find it here. What is the process to get the draft back as a page? Also: What can I do to avoid this happening again? Did I do anything wrong?? I think the problem might be that I have done some paid editing on other articles, but I have tried my best to declare it as stated in the rules. This page is, however not paid work. I assume I'm still allowed to do voluntary work? I haven't found anywhere it says I'm not allowed. Anders Kaas Petersen (talk) 17:23, 11 May 2020 (UTC)


 * I've added the template to give you the "submit" button. You may wish to declare on the draft's talk page that it is unpaid work. -- --David Biddulph (talk) 17:46, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks! I thought it was only paid editing that should be declared. But if that can solve the problem, that's fine. I'll try it. Anders Kaas Petersen (talk) 17:49, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Normally, it is only paid editing (and other COI editing) that must be declared, But when there is reason for other editors to believe that editing is paid editing, declaring that it is not can be helpful. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 18:11, 11 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Hi, . If you look at the history of Draft:Gorm Wisweh, you'll see that moved it to Draft, with the summary "GSS moved page Gorm Wisweh to Draft:Gorm Wisweh without leaving a redirect: Under and possible UPE. Vet though AfC". This is admittedly a little cryptic, but UPE is certainly undeclared paid editing. I'm not sure about "Under" (and WP:Under is not relevant!) but I'm guessing they mean "there's not yet enough of it for an article", but I don't know. I'm a little surprised they didn't notify you on your talk page to tell you they had done it. --ColinFine (talk) 18:25, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

Reliable Resource query
Hi, I have been reviewing the Wikipedia guidelines for reliable resources for an article I am writing. I have come across theminoritymindset.com and am unsure if it si considered reliable or not. Could an experienced editor please give me a yes/no answer?--HK2267 (talk) 18:34, 11 May 2020 (UTC) HK2267 (talk) 18:34, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
 * https://theminoritymindset.com looks very iffy to me, with no obvious editorial panel. It looks rather like a one-man band website to me, with shiny graphics and little substance to anything - and a large section for merchandise. I'd suggest staying well clear, and looking for content from proper news outlets. Whenever in doubt, you can always ask at WP:RSN. Nick Moyes (talk) 18:48, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
 * The website has a section for a blog, press releases, and on-demand interviews. The news sections doesn't look like it is vetted or edited by expert editors, either. It is probably a paid-to-publish website. I agree with on staying away from this source and other similar platforms. NawJee (talk) 18:57, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

Information sought about how to submit a new article to Wikipedia
Hi. I have been working with an author to develop a new article for Wikipedia. The article is about the hunting of a famous stag in Scotland, 'The Muckle Hart of Benmore', in 1833. It is interesting, well written and I think it conforms to the Wikipedia 'notability' requirement. It is also well referenced using authenticated sources. I am an editor of long standing (almost 35 years) and have thoroughly edited the article, in accordance with the requirements set out in the Wikipedia Manual of Style. I now wish to submit the article for publication but am unsure exactly how to go about this. In particular, do I need to insert coding or is there someone who could do this for me? Coding is something of which I have very little experience and I don't know whether the author will want to pay me for the considerable period of time this would be likely to take me. Any suggestions regarding how to proceed from this point would be greatly appreciated. Thank you. Sbrnmb (talk) 17:11, 11 May 2020 (UTC) Sbrnmb (talk) 17:11, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Hello,, and welcome to the Teahouse and to Wikipedia. If you saved your draft to Wikipedia in any way, you didn't do it using this account. I presume that you have written it off-line, using some word processor on your local computer or device. In that case the thing to do is to create the page Draft:The Muckle Hart of Benmore, by clicking on the red link I just left, and paste the text you have written into it, and click "Publish changes". This saves the draft page, but it does not publish it to the main encyclopedia. (The somewhat confusing name of the button is because it does "publish" in the sense that anyone can see the content, as is true for every page on Wikipedia, draft or article or behind-the-scenes page.)
 * (I am leaving it to y9ou to create the page so it will be logged as your creation.)
 * Once you have done that, please return here and post a note in this same section (by editing it and adding text at the end) saying that you have done so. I, or another experienced Wikipedia editor, will add needed code and handle the matter. Or you can use the article wizard, which you may want to do for any future submissions of new draft articles. Once we can see the text, we may have questions or requests, depending on how well you managed to match Wikipedia's style guidelines -- few people get that entirely right the first time. (I didn't). — Preceding unsigned comment added by DESiegel (talk • contribs) 17:35, 11 May 2020 (UTC)


 * First of all, there's not real coding involved in creating articles here. Don't worry! We have two editing tools Source Editor and Visual Editor, and you can switch between them at any time. The former is a bit like using Wordstar (you sound to be old enough to possibly remember that software from the pre MS-Works/Wordperfect days), whilst the latter is more WISYWYG. Both editing tools each have their own Tools menu from which you can simply select a template into which you insert your reference details.In the example that follows I simply pasted in the url, clicked the 'lookup' magnifying glass symbol, added an access date, and clicked 'Insert: The second example was a reference from Google books. Normally I would take more time and manually add author name and page number - but, again, I got this far with no effort or coding at all. Adding citations might sound difficult, but can soon be mastered by anyone. I've written a little guide for beginners to help them, so do check out WP:EASYREFBEGIN.
 * I am a little unsure if the tale of the hunting of one massively-sized red deer is actually going to meet our notability guidelines, but I'll reserve judgement until I see your draft. It does sound from what you say that you might potentially be receiving payment for editing an article for someone else. If so, we have a simple, transparent and mandatory policy for declaring if we are receiving remuneration for our editing. See WP:PAID for more guidance on this. Good luck. Nick Moyes (talk) 19:10, 11 May 2020 (UTC).

Thanks very much for the very useful advice. I have followed the suggestion of DESiegel and published a draft of the article. There may be a few small changes to the references to come at a later date when the author is able to visit a library but essentially the article is in finished form with regard to the content.

mixed up my formatting - help please
Hi, dear people, I need help, i did mix up my user page on Thomas Kellner, and i don't understand what i did wrong. I do have sections "Life", "Photographic technique", "Works in Collections (Selection)", "Solo Exhibitions (Selection)", "Group Exhibitions (Selection)", "References" and "Further reading" and "External links" - and most of it already formatted, but when i look at "show preview" it shows this: "In 2010 he designed a photo project together with pupils of the Gesamtschule Gießen-Ost, which theme was the Telecommunications bunker in Gießen. The project was financially supported by the city of Giessen as part of the competition Stadt der jungen Forscher (City of young researchers). Rochester, New York, United States

Museum of Fine Arts, Houston,[10] Houston, Texas, United States Sammlung Schupmann. Fotografie in Deutschland nach 1945,[11] Bad Hersfeld, Germany Art Institute of Chicago: Collection of Photography,[12] Chicago, Illinois, United States Worcester Art Museum,[13]Worcester, Massachusetts, United States Fox Talbot Museum, Lacock Abbey,[14] Lacock, England Library of Congress,[15] Washington D.C., United States

I just don't understand what i did wrong, could someone help me please, i don't want to have to do all the formatting over and over again, i'm stuck. PLEASE... --Gyanda (talk) 20:50, 10 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Sorry,, I don't understand what the problem is with User:Gyanda/Thomas Kellner, but if you got something wrong in your last edit, it's very easy to undo it: pick "History", and then "Undo" next to the last edit. --ColinFine (talk) 20:56, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
 * There must be something in the way of my text. I did undo, but it didn't undo the problem. Up to here is my text: "In 2010 he designed a photo project together with pupils of the Gesamtschule Gießen-Ost, which theme was the Telecommunications bunker in Gießen. The project was financially supported by the city of Giessen as part of the competition Stadt der jungen Forscher (City of young researchers)." - and then suddenly the works in collections come in, and i just don't get why, i'm so desperate now, i just don't know, how to fix this.. oh my god, this is terrible... --Gyanda (talk) 21:03, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Wow, did you do this? It's all there again? Was the mistake really that i had forgotten to put the "/" at - wow, i'm so thankful, i thought i would have to do all the work again. Oh, what a relief. THANKS! --Gyanda (talk) 21:13, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes, yes, and yes. Glad everything worked out. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 21:17, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Dear, I noticed one ref-formatting error in your sandbox and I've fixed that. You had used (( before Cite while {{ is used. Best. Aaqib Anjum Aafī ({{sup|talk}}) 19:13, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Dear AaqubAnjum, thank you very much, yes i got pretty mixed up yesterday, but today i understood it better :-). It's quite a job to keep all the formatting right. Thanks for your help! Kind regards, --Gyanda (talk) 19:19, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

Creation of new Article
I am a new autoconfirm user at Wikipedia and an engineering student from India. I wish to submit my first article of creation, on Diamond Industry which is witnessing an enormous change and evolution. I came across several references who are engaged in this change so wanted to ask if I Can create an article on the company which has done notable work in this field? P D Agrawal (talk) 13:55, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Hello,, and welcome to the Teahouse. If the company is itself notable, as defined by WP:NCORP, Wikipedia can have an article on it. (note that just becausew a company is working in an important and expanding field does not automatically make it individually notable.) As an autoconfirmed user, you may create such an article directly, but I would strongly urge you to create and refine it in Draft fist, and to strongly consider asking for a review through the narticles for Creation process. This will take some time, but make it less likely that the article will be deleted soon after its creation, and may improve the eventual article.
 * Also, if you have any connection to the company, you should declare it as described in WP:COI before doing any work on such an article. If you are being, or expect to be compensated in any way for creating the article, or if it is part of your job function, you must declare as described in WP:PAID. In either of these cases use of a draft and of AfC becomes much more strongly advised. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 14:11, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

Thank you so DESiegel let me submit a draft to AFC and go that route. Appreciate the help --P D Agrawal (talk) 20:20, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

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How to create a Wikipedia page through red links?
I want to create a Wikipedia page through a red link. Whenever I click on that, I am not redirected to the edit box. What shall I do? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Meet Jagtap (talk • contribs) 20:21, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Instead of creating a new article that way, I suggest you follow the advice at Help:Your first article.   GoingBatty (talk) 20:24, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Without knowing what link you are attempting to use, it sounds like the article(not just a "page") you want to create may be what we call "salted", or protected from creation.  If that's the case, you can use Articles for Creation to create and submit a draft article for review.  Even if you could directly create the article, it's a good idea to submit a draft anyway, as successfully creating a new article is the absolute hardest thing to do on Wikipedia, so it's good to get advice before anything you write is formally placed in the encyclopedia. 331dot (talk) 20:25, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
 * If you could please provide the name of the redlinked page, we could give you a more accurate answer. GoingBatty (talk) 20:38, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
 * You advice worked. Thanks for your kind help.

How many thanks given and received?
Hi, is there any way to get a counter script or anything similar which display on my user page how many thanks I gave and how many thanks I have received? Just being curious. Thanks in advance and take good care of you, CommanderWaterford (talk) 20:46, 11 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Hey, I'm unaware of an automatic script to display thanks statistics. You can do it automatically by posting the number from your statistics and updating it every once in a while. Alternatively, you can post on your userpage and it will display a link to your statistics where your thanks statistics can be found.  Hillelfrei   talk   21:18, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

Rejection of post (3 years ago) and rebuke by a wiki volunteer. I didn't understand and was put off. Now I'd like to add something to another article but am fearful of same rejection
NMdeuce (talk) 21:10, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Hey there, it looks like your edit in the past was an example of original research. While that observation might be more suited for a blog or a status on social media, it's not really in line with content one might expect from an encyclopedia. If you'd like to add something to another article, you'll want to make sure it's not a personal observation, but something that you can back up using reliable sources, like a book from an established publisher or an article from a news agency. If it's something you can reference, be bold and add it in! If you're still not sure, maybe you can describe what you'd like to add here in this thread and we can give you some advice about it.  bibliomaniac 1  5  21:17, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Another option is to use the article talk page to share your suggestion. That would give you the opportunity to discuss it with other interested editors and come to a consensus.  GoingBatty (talk) 22:57, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

Cannot add pages to a wikiproject
Hello, I tried to add Bloomberg Commodity Index to WikiProject Finance & Investment by putting the wikiproject tags in the talk page of the article. The banners display correctly in the talk page, but I can't find the page at all from the wikiproject page. Do I need to do anything else to have the page included in the wikiproject or do I need some sort of privilege? Eric.c.zhang (talk) 21:57, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Hello,, and welcome to the Teahouse. The article lists under "Finance & Investment articles by quality and importance" (and similar lists for other projects) are supposed to be updated regularly by an automated process, aka a "bot" (short for robot). However, according to Wikipedia_talk:Version_1.0_Editorial_Team/Index that particular bot is not doing those updates at the moment. Once this is fixed, all articles with proper banners should be added to the proper lists. In the mean time, the banner will serve most of the useful purpose in any case. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 22:08, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
 * While you're waiting for the WikiProject list to be updated, you will be able to see the page listed in Category:WikiProject Finance & Investment articles. GoingBatty (talk) 22:59, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

Cite personal information
Hello everyone! I was writing an article about a scientific researcher, I have cited all my info from published interviews, journals etc. However, I decided to ask some personal facts about his individual. He emailed me some of his hobbies and his most relevant influencers during his career. How can I cite those facts?. I heard that if he posts those facts on his university profile or somewhere like that, I could use that link to cite it, but he has no access no the university page. Is there another way to do it or should I just remove the info?

Thanks LJimenez2004 (talk) 20:36, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse. Everything in the article should be based on what is printed in independent reliable sources.  You should not be performing any original research, such as conducting interviews.  Please also refer to WP:Plain and simple conflict of interest guide.  Thanks!  GoingBatty (talk) 20:40, 11 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Hello, and welcome to the Teahouse. Unpublished sources or personal communications cannot be used as sources on Wikipedia, and so information derived only from such communications should not be included. However, if the subject cares to post such info on a personal web page, that can be cited. under WP:ABOUTSELF such sources cannot be sued for controversial statements, or statements about another person, but the sort of routine info you mention can be sourced in that way., not all sources need to be independent, although there must be enough independent sources to establish notability. Basic facts about a company are routinely cited to the company web page, for example. Nor isa there anythign wrong with talking to the subject of an article to get background and identify sources. However, such an 'interview", unless separately published, should not be cited as a source, even a non-independent source, here. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 20:45, 11 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Of course is correct.  I should have said that I suggest you focus on summarizing what is printed in independent reliable sources to demonstrate his notability for inclusion into Wikipedia, instead of trivia such as his hobbies.  Good luck with your article!  GoingBatty (talk) 21:05, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I fully agree with that comment. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 21:55, 11 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Aren't self-published sources, even for trivial information, frowned upon? I have seen editors removing self-published sources or company websites from references for things such as the date of formation of a company. NawJee (talk) 22:35, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
 * No they are not, read the page WP:ABOUTSELF where it says that  followed by a list of five criteria that must apply. I(n some cases a self-published source (SPS) is the best possible source for certain information. Of course, there are cases where a self-published source is not appropriate, or where it might be acceptable but a better independent source is available. Without looking at the specific edits I cannot comment on those edits, but if the editors removed the sources simply because they were SPSs, then they were mistaken. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 23:00, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

I uploaded a logo today to a sandbox for the org. that I work for. When will someone add it to the Wiki page for American Himalayan Foundation?
KrisKimBell (talk) 01:18, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

I uploaded the image to the page. However, note that the copyright has to be correct, and if it is really your own work you have to release it using a creative commons licence or something similar. Zoozaz1 (talk) 01:39, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I moved the image inside the infobox on American Himalayan Foundation. GoingBatty (talk) 01:50, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

Definition of Civility and personal attacks on fellow editors
Non-mobile link: Dispute resolution noticeboard

I want a clarification. Does calling a fellow editor "trout OP" and speculating about them/accusing them of something by making false claims using alphabets in their username amount to personal attack ? I am attaching below some comments made by a fellow editor against me on dispute Resolution forum. The comments are signed by username Kashmiri and can be found under the Heading 'Hizbul Mujahideen'. Please help!!

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Dispute_resolution_noticeboard#Hizbul_Mujahideen AnadiDoD — Preceding unsigned comment added by AnadiDoD (talk • contribs) 15:02, 11 May 2020 (UTC)


 * You misunderstand the situation, and I am surprised you have come here from a dispute resolution noticeboard to discuss civility. What they actually said is "trout the OP" - this is not uncivil, but suggests only that you, as the OP (original poster) acted sufficiently incorrectly that someone ought to slap you around the head (albeit playfully, but still unpleasantly) with a wet fish (see WP:TROUT). I think the rationale behind it is that you acted unreasonably swiftly in going from a talk page dispute, to a dispute resolution noticeboard. I comment not on whether that is correct. You are free to defend whether or not you acted rashly at that forum, but I see NO real incivility in the suggestion that you take one on the chin. Have another one from me, my friend! Nick Moyes (talk) 15:19, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
 * You are welcome to give me a trout, too, as I omitted to include the word "NO" in my original answer to you, which did, unfortunately, rather give entirely the wrong meaning in my answer. I have made the correction, and now stand by and await your fishy slap with appropriate humility and a good sense of humour! Nick Moyes (talk) 15:39, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

Nick Moyes thanks for your informative and whacky response friend but I think you missed the part about insinuating something from my Username alphabets and presenting it in the forum do discredit a fellow editor? What could be the "rationale" behind it ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by AnadiDoD (talk • contribs) 15:46, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
 * we often get users whose username says or suggests that the user is affiliated in some way with a particular organization. This may mean that such users have a conflict of interest when writing about that organization or its actions. It is not unusual nor considered uncivil to ask if a username does or does not indicate such an affiliation. After all if the user did not mean to make the association public, s/he would presumably not have included it in the username, which is very public. Thus such an inquiry is not into anything which is plausibly private. As a string of characters can have many different meanings, particularly when multiple languages are involved, it is better to ask than to make assumptions, which may be wildly incorrect. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 16:08, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Sorry - as you didn't "attach below" any diff of those comments, I overlooked that bit. The other editor wrote "By the way, I wonder whether DoD in AnadiDoD stand for the Indian Department of Defence?" That was not making false claims, nor outing, nor incivility. It was just some rather cheeky speculation on the origins of your username which is, admittedly, an unusual format. You are free to declare a connection with the Indian Department of Defence, or reject any suggestion that you work at the Indian DoD, or ignore the comment entirely. I am assuming good faith that you have not been editing in areas where you may have a conflict of interest, or are PAID to edit. So it's up to you to choose how or whether to respond. However you edit, do so transparently please, assume good faith, and declare any COI that you might have on any subject. Regards from the UK. Nick Moyes (talk) 16:19, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
 * But DoD in my Username was added because the part before it was not available as a user name. Rather than clearing it up ,this was used to insinuate on a forum that I belong to a particular organisation just discredit me in what sense is that civil and fair ? (pinging DES, Nick Moyes) — Preceding unsigned comment added by AnadiDoD (talk • contribs) 16:25, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
 * According to me it would have been civil if he/she just asked me on the talk page discussion which we were having. I would have changed it there and then as I have no such malicious intent. But if you guys think that I am the one involved in some conflict of interest debacle, I will Change my username(if possible).Nick Moyes — Preceding unsigned comment added by AnadiDoD (talk • contribs) 16:31, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Please help me on how to remove DoD from the Username so that i can prove that my editing remains unbiased and in line with the words i wrote on my userpage AnadiDoD (talk • contribs)


 * (pinging Nick Moyes) — Preceding unsigned comment added by AnadiDoD (talk • contribs) 16:39, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
 * First off, before you go any further, please could you sign all future posts here, and elsewhere, with four keyboard tilde characters? Your failure to sign not only confuses people, it fails to send a notification to the other person that you are actually trying to communicate with them. So you simply get overlooked. See WP:PING if you don't understand this. Secondly, don't take offence so easily. Like I said, I don't think the question was uncivil, though it might have been unfairly presented to undermine you after the trout was thrown. You just have to stand up to such things and explain that the other person is not correct in their suggestion, if that is the case. You sdaid But DoD in my Username was added because the part before it was not available as a user name., but I'm afraid I don't understand what you mean. Look, DoD stands for innumerable things. (see here for a list of 66 of them). Thirdly, if you are going to take offence, simply go to your userpage and explain what your username does mean or, at least, what it does not. Fourthly, if you want to change your username you can do so. Advice on this can be found at Changing username. Finally, I am not accusing you of a ""COI debacle", I am merely saying that if you are then there's a route for you to follow. If you're not, you need do nothing. Hope this helps and (Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four keyboard tildes like this: .) . Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 18:28, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

Thanks Nick Moyes for explaining and clearing my apprehensions. I apologize for continuously pinging you and I am grateful for the efforts you have put in. I have given a request for my name change. And the signature issue arose because I though it had auto signing but I'll remember it. Please close the discussion as my apprehensions have been cleared out. Thanks again. AnM1924 01:56, 12 May 2020 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by AnadiDoD (talk • contribs)

Trying to add a file/scan of receipt
I'm new here and having trouble editing, I've been trying to add a file/scan to SS Himalaya it's a copy of a receipt but i'm not sure if i did it correctly??????Can anyone explain it simply please Triumph Banjo (talk) 02:36, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I can see you uploaded File:Passage receipt paid on Board Ship to Captain of Himalaya by Stow-away in 1974.pdf. GoingBatty (talk) 03:44, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

My article was declined
my article on the topic angel samuda was declined. I would love to get necessary information why it was deleted so It would help me improve on next content Kingmichael22 (talk) 03:54, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
 * There is a note on your talk page and on User:Kingmichael22/sandbox in a gray box explaining why is was declined (not deleted): "This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject (see the guidelines on the notability of people)." Each one of those blue links will take you to another page that explains the concepts in further detail.  For your draft, reference #2 appears to be self-published, and the other references are not from major news sources.  GoingBatty (talk) 04:04, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

Rewrite of page?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Belle_Retouch I kept it as unbiased and neutral as I could. I also put on article page and my user page that it was COI. Is there anything I can do to improve? I am new here and have no idea what I am doing. I am very overwhelmed haha. BelleRetouch (talk) 05:51, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

What information CAN I add without looking like I am promoting. Thats the last thing I am trying to do here. I have a lot of clients and I believe it is time for a Wikipedia page for my business as I have seen other retouchers do on here. ```` — Preceding unsigned comment added by BelleRetouch (talk • contribs) 05:57, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
 * You can't really add any information without it looking like you are trying to promote your business, because you are clearly trying to promote your business, whether you think you are or not. At the end of the day, both your draft and your comments above show that your purpose here is not to improve the encyclopedia but to make sure that an article about your business is included. I will be frank; I have done a few moments research and it appears that your company does not come anywhere near meeting Wikipedia's inclusion requirements, so we do not need an article about it. You should also be aware that your username is a violation of our username policy.
 * If you would like to contribute to Wikipedia on toics unrelated to your business, then you should request a new username and feel free to continue editing. However, if your reason for being here is, as I suspecte, to try and ensure that an article about Belle Retouch is included in Wikipedia, then you are going to be disappointed, and should consider looking elsewhere. Yunshui 雲 水 06:19, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
 * To add on to what Yunshui, it is noticeably very hard to write an article neutrally about yourself (WP:AUTO goes into this further). — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 )  06:40, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

Are research groups considered a reliable source?
I've been told that Hyena-Project.com isn't a reliable source, despite them researching the animals. This has me thinking whether or not research groups are considered as "reliable sources". Or does the subject need to be studied by more than one research group? Redstoneprime (talk) 18:38, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
 * WP:NOR is probably the most relevant. Praxidicae (talk) 18:39, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

So, it's a case of: if you want to include the information, make sure it has been researched more than once? Redstoneprime (talk) 18:45, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
 * A research group isn't really a source in the sense that that term is understood on Wikipedia, . A paper published by the group would be a source. If that paper was published in a reputable journal, for instance, then it would be considered reliable. Cordless Larry (talk) 19:01, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Research articles/journals may be used as a reliable source if they are not the primary source of information, not directly connected to the subject of the article, or if they themselves are not the subject of an article. Ideally, it would be useful if somebody has written about the research, as well. The reliability of the journal(s) in which the research is published must also be considered here. The Hyena Project is a part of the Leibniz Institute for Zoo and Wildlife Research in Berlin, and I believe it is a reliable source of information. I would be wary about sourcing information from their blog, but properly sourced content from their research on articles about hyenas shouldn't be a problem. Hope this helps. NawJee (talk) 19:11, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

some other users also seem to be quite "skeptical" of Hyena-Project. (Not sure why they would be skeptical, considering Hyena-Project studies the animals). Redstoneprime (talk) 06:53, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

Question on Formatting
Hi, kind people, now all is okay again with the formatting of the article. But now i have another difficult question. I have a formatting in German: and i try to transform it into the English formatting: would this be correct? I find it quite complicated to use the right formatting in different languages, sorry for causing you work. Kind regards, --Gyanda (talk) 21:24, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
 * , I don't know German. What I can tell is the closing ref is missing the slash. "page=57" should probably be "pages=57–65", and I usually add "format=pdf" when the url ends with ".pdf". That should work. Why not try it in the sandbox and see what it does? Usually, when you hit the "Preview" button, it generates a bunch of errors if there is something wrong with the citation template; that could help too. Best, Usedtobecool ☎️ 21:48, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Since the URL ends in .pdf, you don't need to add pdf per Help:Citation Style 1:
 * GoingBatty (talk) 22:05, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
 * One could argue that it is more "future-proof" to include the PDF for when someone changes the URL because of a site re-organization, the new URL doesn't end in PDF, and the updating editor (or bot) doesn't notice to add the format parm. Not a big deal, but the issue has been discussed in the past somewhere, IIRC. —[ Alan M 1  (talk) ]— 23:06, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your answers. I could add the "pdf" - this is not complicated. page 57 refers to the quotation, it's not the whole article i'm referring to, just this one quotation and it is on page 57. I do not really understand what is meant with "sandbox" - i tried the preview on my page, it looked okay, but i just felt unsecure, whether the formatting is all correct. So much to learn still... i wished i was smarter and wouldn't have to bother you all. Very kind of you all to answer me so quickly. Thanks! --Gyanda (talk) 23:50, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
 * When you are referencing a source, you have to mention all the pages it is found in the journal. If you want to specify which page it is from, you can use a template like Rp or Sfn to do so. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 )  00:06, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Tenryuu, some while ago i asked specifically on this and i was told that in the english wikipedia they don't mention all the pages, but only the referencepage of the quote... i store all info i get here in my "vademecum" for formatting and so i thought, i do it the right way as it was told me so. So now i start again
 * Journals are different in that an issue has many articles per publication. To help readers find the specific article its page range is required. You can see a breakdown of what a journal citation looks like here. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 )  01:12, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
 * you are mistaken. The documentation for cite Journal says: } If a 40-page journal article (pp 120-160) is being cited for a single fact, which appears on the 15th page of the article (p 135) the citation should include "page=135" not "pages=120-160". The point is to tell the reader exactly where in the article the fact is supported. If the reader must check the entire article, there is little point i8n providing any page numbers, and the citation is of limited value,l if any. That is no different for a journal than for any other paginated text source. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 03:15, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
 * The earliest examples given provide the entirety of the articles in journals. The section of the documentation you're referring to is in the section labelled "in-source locations". Sfn or rp work. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 )  04:14, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
 * you are mistaken. The documentation for cite Journal says: } If a 40-page journal article (pp 120-160) is being cited for a single fact, which appears on the 15th page of the article (p 135) the citation should include "page=135" not "pages=120-160". The point is to tell the reader exactly where in the article the fact is supported. If the reader must check the entire article, there is little point i8n providing any page numbers, and the citation is of limited value,l if any. That is no different for a journal than for any other paginated text source. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 03:15, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
 * The earliest examples given provide the entirety of the articles in journals. The section of the documentation you're referring to is in the section labelled "in-source locations". Sfn or rp work. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 )  04:14, 11 May 2020 (UTC)


 * "in-source locations" is the standard term for metadata that tells one where in the soured the information being cited is located. It includes the page parameter for a book por a printed newspaper, for example, and the time parameter for a video. It is in no way limited to the use of Sfn or rp . Those are most often used when there are multiple citations to different locations in the same source work. If there isw only a single citation to a given source in an article, there is surely no reason to use RP, but every reason to specify exactly where in the source the supporting information can be found. However, I think I should take this to a page about cite journal, not in this Teahouse thread. I will pink you there. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 12:57, 11 May 2020 (UTC) DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 12:59, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

would that be okay? Kind regards, --Gyanda (talk) 00:53, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
 * ref>
 * Aside from the unclosed  tag at the beginning, you aren't closing the reference itself with   (you are missing a forward slash). — Tenryuu 🐲  ( 💬 • 📝 )  01:12, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks, i corrected this! --Gyanda (talk) 11:15, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Tenryuu, i tried to insert this as above and it says " More than one of |pages= and |p= specified (help) " as this is getting way too complicated for me to understand, i will now follow DES' advice and only name the page of the specific quote. Kind regards, --Gyanda (talk)


 * I agree with DES – the more specific page(s) are better. I don't see a benefit from knowing that the article covers pages 120–160 when only page 135 is being cited.  citations can be confusing[12]:3[4] for readers to parse (though they serve a purpose when necessary). It seems analogous to a magazine or newspaper article, where we don't cite all the pages of the article either. —[  Alan M 1  (talk) ]— 06:46, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Dear people, i'm very thankful that you all have taken the time to answer me and show me the different aspects, which have to be taken into account. This was very kind of you. Now i know, how to format it right and will put this in my vademecum so that i hopefully will never make it wrong again. Thank you very much! Kind regards, --Gyanda (talk) 11:15, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
 * There is no "right" or "wrong" answer to this question. Both styles (individual pages and page ranges) are well accepted standards in WP, and even giving both at the same time can be useful. We are, just now, trying to establish a good notation how to specify both types of pages at the same time and also introduce new parameters into the citation template framework to make it easier for the users to specify the desired information and use the templates reliably:
 * Help_talk:Citation_Style_1
 * Help_talk:Citation_Style_1
 * Help_talk:Citation_Style_1
 * Help_talk:Citation_Style_1
 * --Matthiaspaul (talk) 10:18, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
 * A related discussion takes place here: Help_talk:Citation_Style_1 --Matthiaspaul (talk) 10:18, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

Adding a down loaded file as a citation SS Himalaya
New here forgive me but I've apparently successfully up loaded a file as i was requested for (citation required) SS Himalaya I have no idea where it went or if its on the SS Himalaya page? I can't see it anywhere??HELP Triumph Banjo (talk) 07:10, 12 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Hi and welcome back to the TeaHouse! I looked at your logs and it appears you are attempting to upload a receipt to use as a citation. I was able to find it on MediaWiki and you can access it here. [[File:Passage_receipt_paid_on_Board_Ship_to_Captain_of_Himalaya_by_Stow-away_in_1974.pdf]] . I hope this helps. Have a great day! Galendalia CVU Member \ Chat Me Up 07:18, 12 May 2020 (UTC).
 * Welcome to the Teahouse. From what I can see from your logs, your file is titled File:Passage receipt paid on Board Ship to Captain of Himalaya by Stow-away in 1974.pdf. It does not appear to be on SS Himalaya (1948). — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 )
 * You didn't get the syntax right for displaying the file in the article, but in any case the relevant paragraph of the text has been removed by a subsequent editor. You will see the edits in the article's history.  --David Biddulph (talk) 09:56, 12 May 2020 (UTC)


 * But for future reference,, you cannot use an unpublished document as a source for a citation, ever. All Wikipedia articles must be entirely based on reliably published sources. You can upload a receipt, as you did, to use as an illustration in an article (assuming this does not violate any copyrights), but you cannot treat it as a source, even a primary source. If a picture of the receipt appeared in a book from a reputable publisher, it is possible you could cite it from there. --ColinFine (talk) 10:23, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

can i have a frined
Thewikipidideditking (talk) 10:54, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia isn't a social network. If you want to find friends, try Facebook. Yunshui 雲 水 11:00, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

Centering Photo in Info Box
Hello. I've linked a photo to the info box of actor Chris Kerson's page. The photo sits in the box right of center. How may this be adjusted? Thank you! Major Major 26 (talk) 03:25, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
 * the Chris Kerson article by removing "thumb". GoingBatty (talk) 03:47, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Major Major 26 (talk • contribs) 11:13, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

Submitting a new article: thoroughly confused
Hello. I am new contributor to Wikipedia, not yet confirmed.

A couple of weeks ago, I submitted a new article ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Lockdown_(novel) ). I followed the steps in the Article Wizard, and finished by clicking the "Publish" button at the foot of the page. I understand that it could take several weeks for the article to be approved. That's fine.

However, every time I go back to the article, I see a message at the top of the page:

Draft article not currently submitted for review.

''This is a draft Articles for creation (AfC) submission. It is not currently pending review.''

So I click the blue "Submit your draft for review" button. This takes me to an editing page, headed "(new section)". The edit box is pre-filled with some text, including:

''Just press the "Publish changes" button below without changing anything! Doing so will submit your article submission for review. Once you have saved this page you will find a new yellow 'Review waiting' box at the BOTTOM of your submission page. ''

This is followed by a lot of lines containing down-pointing arrows. When I follow the instructions and click "Publish changes", this just takes me back to where I was before. I don't see any yellow "Review waiting" box.

If someone can tell me where I am going wrong, I would be most grateful. In particular, is the page currently waiting for review, or is it not?

Thanks in advance. Mike Marchmont (talk) 16:35, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
 * That's strange. I don't know why that didn't work for you, but I pressed the "Submit" button, then "Publish changes", and the yellow box showed up as expected. – Uanfala (talk) 16:59, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
 * ...and I've now accepted the draft: that's not in my subject area, but there appear to be quite a few reviews published so far, so the the book seems to meet the notability requirements. Thank you for contributing this article! – Uanfala (talk) 17:06, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
 * That usually happens when you don't include an edit summary. For future reference, once you click the 'Publish' button, you should be directed to a source editing window. There is an editable bar on this page where you are required to add an edit summary, I usually write 'Submitting for review'. Once you've included an edit summary, go ahead and click the 'Publish changes' button. Doing this should do the trick. Hope this helps. NawJee (talk) 19:17, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
 * It worked for me even though I didn't use an edit summary . – Uanfala (talk) 02:19, 12 May 2020 (UTC)


 * , many thanks for accepting the article. You have encouraged me to contribute more articles. And thanks also to for pointing out the "edit summary" box. I don't remember seeing that box, but I will pay more attention next time.Mike Marchmont (talk) 12:37, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

What if the news media is just 100% wrong about a subject matter?
I'm not sure if I am in the right place but does the accuracy of Wikipedia matter? I am an environmental investigator and nine times out of ten, the media tend to print random and arbitrary things about toxic waste sites, oil spills, etc. This creates an echo chamber which causes more and more media outlets to pick up the same false information. A good example of this is the Porter Ranch natural gas spill. An activist went on TV and said that it was "the worst spill since Deep Water Horizon" but it wasn't. This statement was picked up by about 500 media outlets and now, in the history books, encyclopedias, this is what is printed, even though the original statement has no basis or sourcing. In the end, this false narrative is branded as fact. Fifty years later, it's history, even though it was never true. Does only sourcing matter and not facts, in these articles? Rightventracleleft (talk) 13:23, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
 * , one of Wikipedia's core content policies is verifiability, which is distinct from our individual interpretations of the truth. Understandably you consider your opinion on the subject to be fact (who doesn't? 🙂), but if everyone were to begin writing Wikipedia articles based solely on what they knew, it would become quite an unmanageable mess.Note also that Wikipedia is not here to right great wrongs that may have occurred in history. As an encyclopedia, we seek to simply summarize what is present in existing sources, even if we find it personally unfair.Hope this helps, M Imtiaz (talk · contribs) 14:41, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Mathematically speaking, the Porter Ranch spill was measured in tens of thousands of pounds. Methane in the atmosphere is measured in the hundreds of millions of metric tons. The plume of methane over Four Corners region is one-hundred million metric tons. Those are not my opinions. Someone in authority made a statement they were being paid to say, it was sourced by hundreds of media outlets and now it's "fact." It would be nice if scientific fact would have more weight than a news reporter who was barely paying attention that day and scraping for content. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rightventracleleft (talk • contribs) 14:58, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
 * You are speaking to larger issues that are beyond the control of Wikipedia. If you wish to assert that a specific source should not be considered to be a reliable source, you may visit the reliable sources noticeboard, but you can't do that with the news in general. If you have sources that offer what you consider to be accurate information for a subject, you are welcome to offer them. 331dot (talk) 15:06, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I could post the personal e-mails from a media outlet's journalists, to me, that show a pattern of deceptive reporting, but is Wikipedia going to no longer allow the Washington Post as a source? Just making a point. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rightventracleleft (talk • contribs) 16:02, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
 * , unpublished sources are explicitly disallowed per WP:V. Trying to use such emails would also generally be in violation of WP:NOR.I'd encourage you to click on the blue links in this message and my previous one: they answer several of the questions that you have with regards to Wikipedia. Also, please remember to sign your posts with four tildes: ~ . M Imtiaz (talk · contribs) 16:12, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Given the rules under which we operate, the solution in such cases is to find other reliable sources that discuss the problem with the statement. We/you can then write about the discrepancy in the article, and cite the source. Unfortunately, if nobody has bothered to debunk a bad story, we can't do anything, since we are (intentionally) a tertiary source that writes about what others have written. —[ Alan M 1  (talk) ]— 19:45, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
 * A good example of this would be Harvey Weinstien or Cosby, who had the power to suppress media. During those years that those voices were suppressed, the editor of the New York Times refused to tell the stories of those woman. Later, that editor left NYT and started his own media outlet, ProPublica, that - with no sense of irony, whatsoever - then stood up as the champions of the very women's stories that he suppressed. It's crazy to me that our media is broken and there truly is no source for facts. In that way, Wikipedia is broken. Often, the only solution for getting around a disreputable editor is to create your own media outlet. One then prints actual facts and gets told that it's not credible enough for Wikipedia as media outlets like Washington Post, New York Times, and ProPublica are trusted sources. What a convoluted world. And remember, it's only popular opinion that those are trusted news sources. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rightventracleleft (talk • contribs) 10:34, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
 * user:Rightventracleleft, it may be easier to understand if you think of Wikipedia as an aggregator service. Ultimately, we don't engage in any form of original research, and our only role is to summarise what's already been said in existing sources. (The usual example to illustrate this is that, had Wikipedia existed in Galileo's day, we'd have said unequivocally that the sun circled the earth, regardless of our own personal doubts.) Editing Wikipedia on current issues is surprisingly difficult and not something we generally recommend unless you're confident you can write in accordance with sources rather than with your personal beliefs even if you strongly disagree with the sources. It's usually easier to begin with writing about historic topics, where the consensus has settled and it's possible to work from published books and academic papers, rather than from (inherently unreliable and unstable) newspapers and websites. &#8209; Iridescent 20:39, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Then, bascially, nothing printed on Wikipdia has any credibility. What is the point of a website that only prints popular opinion and skews history? Ironically, I own a small newspaper that passes Wikipedia, so I am free to re-write history to fit scientific fact. That makes me laugh. Rightventracleleft (talk) 10:28, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
 * , Wikipedia is a tertiary source, not a secondary one. If you wish to bolster your secondary source, go for it, but Wikipedia has to make do with what sources are given to it (with said sources' reliability being discussed and agreed upon). Everything is gameable if you try hard enough. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 21:59, 10 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Some argue that there is a point anyway. Whether you agree with any of it is up to you.
 * Wikipedia Is the Last Best Place on the Internet
 * We Need the Wisdom of Wikipedia
 * The Good Internet Lives On
 * How Wikipedia’s volunteers became the web’s best weapon against misinformation
 * How Wikipedia Prevents the Spread of Coronavirus Misinformation
 * Using Wikipedia: Crash Course Navigating Digital Information #5 (one of my favorites) Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 05:07, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Threatin: Moderators Flagged and Deleted Wikipedia Page Months Ago for False Claims [Transcript Available!] Adding this because it's funny. The article got recreated later, so there's an argument that the guy "won". Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 05:35, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
 * You may also want to check WP:General disclaimer. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:23, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I am definitely sympathetic to your viewpoint. We would all rather have factual information here. Here's the problem – everyone considers their 'facts' the correct ones. In this case, yours may very well be true. But if Wikipedia just let anyone post what they believed to be factual we would be just as reliable as your uncle's wacky Facebook feed or Conservopedia. Therefore there has to be rules about sourcing - even if they're not 100% perfect. Do you have a source for a credible scientist stating that the Porter Ranch spill wasnt "the worst spill since Deep Water Horizon." If you do, then that's a valid citation for an argument. The rules here certainly aren't perfect but they're much better than having no rules at all. – Chrisvacc (talk) 04:42, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

Thought I'd throw in my 2 cents for whatever reason, seems like I have a personal disagreement with the application of WP:RGW but as a newcomer don't know how "set in stone" these rules are. Reporting accurrately is hard work and basing wiki content on pre-determined "verified sources" is something that I think is a problem, a bigger problem is the lack of media coverage on situations such as the one mentioned by is the product of a profit-driven media which are notoriously covering mostly subjects that get ratings up and avoiding most if not all content critical of their methods. In the end Wikipedia does act as an aggregator and is not capable of being the place to right wrongs. Hard work has to be put in to research this stuff and unfortunately that means most of these wrongs will never be righted., as an "environmental investigator" I think you would be a credible author should you choose to research and write academically on these issues of media coverage of your field. This is of course a big task and I'm sure you're very busy (just a thought:) and regardless I'm glad you brought this to my attention. Also im pretty sure if there's literally any reported proof of the claim being untrue that should be cause to remove that part (regardless of the prestige of the media that parroted it). Thankful for the wikipedia contributors as it is a magnificent and highly useful creation, unfortuantely true changes in public perception have to be made through rigorous, principled journalism and research before the truth arrives here :/ Gromte (talk) 10:45, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
 * "The Media" is widely misunderstood. "Fernwood 2 Night" TV at the local Dayton Broadcasting Co. is mistakenly conflated with the NYT/WSJ/WAPO. Local TV stations tend to attract State beauty queen contestants and the like (recall that Sarah Palin was briefly a "reporter"), where they work for a few years, before going into residential real estate sales (or whatever) where they can make "real money." This is where people tend to get their idea of "The Media."


 * Contrast this with reporters at national print outlets: Getting a job there is like getting into Harvard or Yale, and yes, probably at least half of them are Ivy Leaguers (with all bias and shortcomings associated with that group). These large, dog-eat-dog newsrooms are a bit like science, in that among its prime motives is self-correction: Reporter "Billy" reports X. If Reporter "Sally" can blow "X" out of the water with a new story, she wins the Award "Y." Each reporter gets edited multiple times by a group of tremendously fastidious "nerds," half of whom went to Harvard, but who tend to suffer from social difficulties that make them ill-suited to investment banking.

2600:1702:39A0:3720:5580:2676:8231:5698 (talk) 14:31, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

I'm not sure Iridescent's example of Wikipedia in the age of Galileo is a good one, as the social circumstances are simply not comparable. Modern Wikipedia has a strong bias in favor of finding scientific sources reliable on questions of cosmology, and ignores religious sources as unreliable on these questions. If you look at the article Universe, it gives an entirely scientific account of its origins, and covers religious sources as "stories" and "mythologies". Applying modern Wikipedia standards to the question of whether or not Heliocentrism is a true model of the universe, the first question is what the scientific consensus is in peer-reviewed scientific journals. But Galileo was dead before the first peer-reviewed journal was even invented. Galileo is notable as one of the pioneers of the scientific method; if there is not a community of people using that method and writing to document the results, it is simply not possible to get reliable information about a vast swath of human knowledge. Add to that the fact that freedom of speech was little respected at the time, that the Catholic Church was actively going around promoting geocentrism by force, and the possible lack of access to texts from Ancient Greece and other cultures that freely discussed heliocentrism, and I'd say it's simply not possible to satisfy Wikipedia's standards of source reliability.

Wikipedia discarded the slogan "verifiability, not truth" years ago, and I think a better way to describe what we do is "truth through verifiability in reliable sources". We do not simply print popular opinion; we actually specifically call out incorrect popular opinions on List of common misconceptions and many factual topic-specific articles, using sources that readers should consider reliable in correcting their own thinking. I'm sure Wikipedia publishes some false factual claim simply because the current best understanding of them is incorrect, but if there is room for doubt or an alternative point of view, we always report that, and even for factual claims where no one has any reason to believe they are false, well-written articles explain what evidence there is to support those claims, and point to more detailed sources which can be scoured by skeptics.

The New York Times and the Washington Post are considered reliable sources because they have a history of carefully fact-checking and rigorously sourcing their stories, and printing corrections when errors occur or when misconduct of its own employees is discovered (which is itself rare). They operate in a legal regime that strongly protects freedom of speech and independence of the press, and have a history of fighting suppression attempts with substantial financial resources—including defeating libel suits and even the U.S. federal government's attempts at censorship in court on several notable occasions. According to our coverage at Harvey Weinstein sexual abuse cases, the New York Times was actually one of the publications that broke the story in 2017, and had reported on a specific case in 2015. It appears a significant challenge to reporting accusations earlier was that witnesses were unwilling to go on the record. Though this was no doubt a horrible consequence of Weinstein's influence and money, refusing to print stories that witnesses themselves won't commit to is in fact one of the ways that reliable media outlets filter out untrue facts and rumors. It is one of the things that separates a reliable newspaper from a celebrity tabloid rumor mill, and it is also something that helps protect the outlet against successful libel suits—for good reasons, as printing unsubstantiated false rumors can be quite harmful to the person in question. There are legitimate questions over whether the NYT should have put more resources into investigating, and you can debate over whether the choice of what the paper finds to be newsworthy carries some bias. It is difficult to argue, however, that what the paper does print is unreliable. , if you have evidence that specific Washington Post reporters have engaged in "deceptive reporting", you should contact the Post's Reader Representative (formerly Omsbudsman), and if your complaint is credible I would expect them to investigate and the organization—which takes its reliable reputation seriously—to correct the situation. That said, I'm sure a lot of critics of the Washington Post have complaints which are not all that legitimate, because they disagree with the topics covered or the facts uncovered don't support their personal views, and I expect those complaints to be rightfully ignored—otherwise they would be a source of bias, not a remedy to it.

This is not to say that any newspaper is perfect. Note that Reliable sources says "Scholarly sources and high-quality non-scholarly sources are generally better than news reports for academic topics." We can take the specific factual claim mentioned as an example of how the Wikipedia verification process should work. This particular question benefits from considering the underlying facts carefully and applying basic Earth science and chemistry knowledge, while carefully avoiding any original research.

The specific claim in the article Aliso Canyon gas leak is sourced to an article in The Independent, which Reliable sources/Perennial sources says has Wikipedia consensus is reliable for "non-specialist information" until at least 2016. The Wikipedia article claims "The Aliso gas leak's carbon footprint is said to be larger than the Deepwater Horizon leak in the Gulf of Mexico." and is supported by this text in the Independent article:
 * Its climate impact will be “humongous”, said Tim O’Connor, California director for the Environmental Defence Fund’s (EDF) oil and gas programme. “In terms of aggregate greenhouse gas emissions, it is far greater than the BP Deepwater Horizon disaster.”
 * Of course, it's him, and a few others, that I'm referring to. You're quoting one of the people who circulated disinformation. There is no science to back up the claim. The amount of natural gas, per day, leaking from that spill was statistically anomalous. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rightventracleleft (talk • contribs) 07:34, 17 May 2020 (UTC)

"Is said to be" is a weasel-word phrase, which I just tagged. Assessing the reliability of this claim, we can look at the genre and see that this is a technical claim being sourced to a news outlet, so the question of whether academic sources agree with this claim is a very legitimate one. We can also see that this claim is sourced to an environmental activist rather than an objective academic expert, so the claim might be hyped to express outrage at the latest disaster. Or it might be an accurate claim made by someone familiar with environmental disasters, which is why the Independent found the quote credible enough to print. Looking at Deepwater Horizon oil spill and Environmental impact of the Deepwater Horizon oil spill, I don't see any coverage of the estimated greenhouse gas emission from this disaster. Between those articles and specialist sources like, I see numbers for a much larger methane gas emission from Deepwater Horizon, and obviously a lot of oil. The Aliso disaster released methane directly to the air, so knowing the amount of that released the CO2 equivalent can easily be calculated. Deepwater Horizon, however, discharged oil, ethane, and methane to the ocean, not directly to the atmosphere. Some of it was burned by people (which converts in some ratio directly to atmospheric CO2), some of it was digested by microorganisms (which converts it to CO2 dissolved in the ocean, some uncertain amount of which may evaporate into the atmosphere over time), and some of it dissolved into the ocean (of which some uncertain amount may evaporate into the atmosphere over time). From the limited number of sources linked above, it appears there is scientific uncertainty on how much methane was consumed, and I don't see any comprehensive estimate of greenhouse gas impact. It's possible there are reliable secondary sources that evaluate these uncertainties and can say definitively the impact was smaller or larger than the Aliso. It is not our place to do that analysis, but it would be a great exercise for an interested editor to do a thorough search. In the meantime, I think this verification process has raised enough doubt to strike this claim from Wikipedia as unreliable, given it is a very specific technical claim made in a non-technical publication by a person who has not been established to be a technical expert and who has obvious potential bias. I have tagged this claim as "dubious"; if my logic sounds reasonable, I propose moving it to the talk page with a copy of this explanation. (That will prevent it from getting re-added to the article without proper consideration, if that's a concern because it's bouncing around in a lot of sources.)

This claim is not important to the Aliso leak article; it is enough to explain to readers what the greenhouse gas impact of this disaster is on its own merits, which the article more or less does (though it could do a better job explaining how this affects CA or US emissions reductions goals). It is more relevant to the Deepwater Horizon articles, and there it's actually fine to just say calculating the greenhouse gas impact is complicated, that there is no scientific consensus on the various numbers, and maybe share some conflicting estimates.

Rightventracleleft, you didn't say why you think Aliso wasn't "the worst spill since Deep Water Horizon", even though you seem to believe that strongly. Wikipedia filters unreliable claims by rejecting out of hand any claims without reliable sources; I would hope other editors would be friendly and ask you if you can point to any rather than simply ignoring or rejecting your assertion, but in any case it always helps to cite them when arguing that a claim that already has a reference is incorrect. This is a bit of a weird case where other reliable sources help raise doubt about the original claim but don't necessarily contradict it directly, and the reliability of the original claim has to be considered closely before intrinsic doubts are justified, and different editors might come to different conclusions about whether the sourcing there is sufficient. It helps to supply details of why such sources should be doubted, keeping an objective and non-emotional tone. In this case I found rather subtle aspects of some Wikipedia policies to cite, though you need not be nearly as long-winded as this post. 8)

Anyway, I hope this helps restore some credibility to Wikipedia's processes, even if it takes some time to refine any given article to meet the project's goals for quality. -- Beland (talk) 03:34, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
 * The claim is important to residents of Porter Ranch who lost millions of dollars in property value, over a false claim. The Aliso Canyon spill was only pumping out 90,000 pounds a day. Methane or natural gas in the atmosphere is measured in the hundreds of millions of metric tons. No reasonable scientist could argue that spill had even the slightest effect on cumulative greenhouse gasses. It was a fart in the wind. I'd gladly share my article about it, that I wrote on my own media outlet, but after I published a t-shirt that was critical of the New York Times, I received a notice from the CEO of GoDaddy telling me they were banning me as a customer, thus deleting my opinion and whole newspaper. Of course, the CEO for GoDaddy is on the board of directors for the New York Times. When I contacted NYT to ask them to assist me with the return of my media outlet, they did not write back.Rightventracleleft (talk) 07:21, 17 May 2020 (UTC)
 * , "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy is an indispensable companion to all those who are keen to make sense of life in an infinitely complex and confusing Universe, for though it cannot hope to be useful or informative on all matters, it does at least make the reassuring claim, that where it is inaccurate it is at least definitively inaccurate. In cases of major discrepancy it's always reality that's got it wrong." Guy (help!) 11:07, 19 May 2020 (UTC)

ANOTHER question (I feel like i'm over using the TeaHouse)
I want to make my signature different colors like Deepfriedokra but I am having trouble doing it. This is what I have: User:DaniHart08&#124; Dani Hart 08 ]] [[User_talk:DaniHart08& #124;(Talk) It keeps saying that the HTML is wrong, but I don't know whats wrong with it. Can someone help???? Or can someone just tell me how to do it??? P.S. I know there are some spaces where there shouldn't be any, but I had to make sure you could see what I tried to) DaniHart08 (talk) 17:28, 12 May 2020 (UTC) DaniHart08 (talk) 17:28, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
 * If you want to use code without making it show up as code in the appearance, use . Also if you want to learn how to make a custom signature, I would suggest you read WP:SIGTUT. That page will provide you with a tutorial on how to make your own signature. Also please read the signature policy to make sure that your signature follows the rules. Thank you - Examknow  talk  17:38, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
 * There are many errors and I'm not sure whether you are trying to make italics or bold. Is this what you want: Dani Hart 08 📔 (Talk). PrimeHunter (talk) 17:42, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
 * , a few things:
 * There is a stray  tag that isn't closing anything.
 * If you're using hexadecimal values, you need to add  before the 6 digits.
 * The links aren't closed with  at the front and   at the back respectively.
 * You need to use a  to separate the link between the link and the text that you want to link with.
 * With all that said, please review MOS:COLOR, as colours that blend into the white background are discouraged. PS: If you need to display code, you can wrap your code in  HTML tags, which will stop it from rendering. — Tenryuu 🐲  ( 💬 • 📝 ) 17:45, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you all! I figured it out now! I really love the Teahouse, I don't know what I would do without it!!

Dani Hart 08 (Talk) 17:50, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Great! I am glad we could help. And by the way, nice signature :) - Examknow talk  18:04, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
 * With regard to the current color scheme above, I'm afraid it has insufficient contrast to be compliant with MOS:COLOR. According to this tool, the contrast ratio for cyan on white is only 1.25, failing the WCAG2 standards. BTW, one more little trick to save some of those few precious characters available for sigs is that you can use three hex digits for colors if you're willing to limit yourself to 4,096 colors. E.g.: #6f3 is the equivalent of #66ff33; #def is the equivalent of #ddeeff. —[ Alan M 1  (talk) ]— 01:45, 13 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Ok, is this good: Dani Hart 08  (Talk). 14:56, 13 May 2020 (UTC)? If so, yay, because I really like it.

Dani Hart 08 (Talk). 14:56, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

A question
what is this for 2600:1700:F660:4430:D2E:C53A:7F04:2118 (talk) 17:44, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
 * It's for questions about editing Wikipedia. Hillelfrei   talk   18:01, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
 * why is this called teahouse 2600:1700:F660:4430:D2E:C53A:7F04:2118 (talk) 17:46, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
 * A Teahouse is a friendly and chill place in real life, so too on Wikipedia. Hillelfrei   talk   18:01, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
 * what happened if someone vandalized this page 2600:1700:F660:4430:D2E:C53A:7F04:2118 (talk) 17:48, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

It would get noticed almost immediately and reverted. Hillelfrei  talk   18:01, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

Answering Questions
Can only Hosts answer questions? Obviously, even if this was the case you'd need some prior knowledge (and sometimes sources) to answer them, and being new I probably wouldn't be able to answer many if it wasn't exclusive to Teahouse Hosts, but I was just curious. ~ Frosted chicharrones  💬 19:28, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi, and welcome to the Teahouse! Anyone can answer a question, as long as they have sufficient knowledge and can provide a well thought out answer. Satisfy my curiosity though: have you been editing Wikipedia before, perhaps from a different account? You seem to have caught in pretty quickly, find the GOCE, and gotten a fancy customized signature very quick. Stay safe and all the best, -- puddleglum  2.0  19:34, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
 * That makes sense- I didn't think it would be host only, but it's always best to ask. As for your question, no, I have not. However, I have been on several other wikis, mostly about video games and other content. Since those sites had similar coding/formatting, I was able to pick up editing and basic coding for things like color and other text customization on Wikipedia relatively easily, although I do prefer using the visual editor in general. Thanks for asking! ~  Frosted chicharrones  💬 19:46, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Why does your name link to Editor assistance rather than your User page? And for your current color choices, I find the name very hard to see on the screen because it is too pale. David notMD (talk) 21:41, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Hello David! Yeah, I see the issue, and I know why it happened. Basically, in the tutorial for signatures, (although I'm not sure why), it replaced some of the username links with WP:EA. I just went along with it, but then realized it was incorrect. I forgot to change it because some outside matters came up. I've fixed it now. As for the color, yeah, I see what you mean. I changed it just now- does the color now have an adequate amount of contrast? ~  Frosted</b> chicharrones  💬 22:43, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Hello to my eyes, that is little better as far as the color goes. A light grey or a light yellow on a white background, neither has very good contrast. Once upon a time i might not have had a problem with it, but my eyes aren't 20 any more, nor 20/20. In the edit view where it is light black or dark grey on white, no problem. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 23:04, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
 * You can use this tool to calculate the contrast. Per MOS:COLOR, you should get a "YES" in at least "WCAG 2 AA compliant". —[ Alan M 1  (talk) ]— 07:02, 13 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks, - that made things a lot easier. I've upped the contrast to levels that are adequate. I'm glad David brought it up- I hadn't really considered how other people's vision would affect the way they saw it. ~  <b style="color: #ab750d">Frosted</b> chicharrones  💬 13:27, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

how can I send a private message to user when no links appear to do so?
My name is Mark Graham. I manage the Wayback Machine at the Internet Archive. My email is mark@archive.org.
 * NOTE: Some postings in this thread are not in chronological order and therefore may not be responding to those above them. —[ Alan M 1  (talk) ]— 07:20, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

Please feel free to email me (what is your name and email address?)

You wrote "they are not crawling." - We add, on average, more than 1 billion URLs/day to the Wayback Machine. (this is not what I am seeing, the saved website are saved under "Alexis Crawls", but they stopped a few years ago. I actually went and clicked on top saved website and each one yields error 500 which says we are busy right now. I read the Forbes Article about the Wayback Machine. I have researched the Wayback site. Sure CNN is often saved, but I am talking about less popular webpages, they are no longer saved. I understand Alexis which is part of Amazon was doing the crawling, but now Alexis is unlinked from Wayback. I don't know why but I read that years ago) Ty78ejui (talk) 17:42, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

You also wrote: "I noticed Wayback sends Cookies to people's computers. This is done to sell information to third party companies." - We do not do that.

If a Web archive is excluded from the Wayback Machine there will be a clear "excluded" notice and this is done when we get a legitimate request, under the law, by a rights holder.

- Mark — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:646:C102:7B25:EC48:71DE:24D7:F67C (talk) 22:37, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

I can answer that question. I looked at all the cookies in my computer and I noticed some from The Wayback Machine in my cache of cookies. This is not to say, they are third party cookies, but they are cookies, even if I am not logged into Wayback and I don't have an account with Wayback which I do not have. I don't see why we have to exchange private emails at this point when everything is already out in the open. Ty78ejui (talk) 01:10, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

I want to send a private message to a user who is a "paid person" to ask him an embarrassing question without shaming him by posted it publicly, but he has disabled the link for that. I feel he is biased. Is it possible that it is not possible to send a private message to some users? Wikipedia is hardly bias free due to him having to disclose his paid status, I can see that this is a vector for corruption. Ty78ejui (talk) 19:40, 12 May 2020 (UTC) Ty78ejui (talk) 19:40, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Hello,, and welcome to the Teahouse. Basically, you can't. The feature allowing one to email a user is strictly opt-in by the recipient, and Wikipedeia does not have any internal "private message" function. All on-wiki actions are publicly visible except for a very few processes limited to admins or to functionaries. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 20:02, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
 * If you want to leave a message for a user who has decided to not provide their email address, do it on their talk page. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 20:13, 12 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Adding to the points above, there's an entire Wikipedia page about Conflict of Interest (which includes people being paid to edit articles, among other things). You might have read it, but if you haven't, I strongly suggest you do. It explains both the procedures you should go through when dealing with it (which includes a link to the COI Noticeboard), and how having a COI and being biased are two completely different things. ~  <b style="color: #fbedc2">Frosted</b> chicharrones  💬 20:15, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

He is a corrupt person who goes around changing my links away from Archive Today to the Wayback Machine and he gets paid by the Wayback Machine. If my links are changed to Wayback Machine, all the person needs to do to delete an link they don't like is excluded it from the Wayback Machine. I work hard to create a back up to Archive Today and each time, he a paid user ruins my links. Ty78ejui (talk) 21:33, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Kindly stop casting aspersions on other users, even if they are bots. I am assuming you are referring to, which is an automated account that converts Archive Today links to the Wayback Machine as some pages cannot be archived with Archive Today. This was discussed in this Phabricator ticket and talked about in WP:ARCHIVETODAY. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 21:52, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

This is why I wanted to send a private message as a corrupt person will naturally refuse to discuss any issue in private and then scream that he is being maligned if any public mention is made of the situation. It is very cleaver way to avoid criticize while being undemocratic and breaking the rule of good faith. If he is in good faith he would allow a private message. Ty78ejui (talk) 21:57, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

Furthermore, this is completely untrue. Everything can be added to Archive Today. The Wayback Machine is the one that in which many things can be excluded. Your use of the word "Kindly" I find to be offensive as if I had done something wrong by speaking up for myself. I was in the past occasioning throwing Wayback a bone by sometimes saving pages on both Archive Today and Wayback, but I will stop doing so as the paid people are now in charge of saving Wayback Links. I also contacted the Wayback Machine to ask why they had stopped crawling and got no reply from them. I will be deleting my Wayback Book Mark and I will not go there anymore. I noticed Wayback sends Cookies to people's computers. This is done to sell information to third party companies. Wayback is so poor that if I find a Wayback Link I have to save it in Archive Today to make sure it is still saved and won't be removed late. I found that Wayback was useful back when they were crawling, but now they are not crawling. (talk) 22:06, 12 May 2020 (UTC)


 * This is a technical issue that is known but the fix is not deployed yet. Hopefully it will be deployed in the next day or two. Ty78ejui I assume this is not on Enwiki where you are seeing it? (for the record it is a bug in InternetArchiveBot not GreenC bot) -- Green  C  22:07, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Speaking up for yourself does not include accusing someone without evidence. An issue was detected and a fix is in the works. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 22:44, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

Please explain this technical issue, so I may fully understand it. What does InternetArchiveBot do? The fair solution would be to save the links to both sites, if that was possible. Ty78ejui (talk) 01:06, 13 May 2020 (UTC)


 * If the link is archive.vn or .md or .ph the bot does not recognize it as an archive and converts to Wayback by default. You can avoid the problem by using archive.today which is what they recommend we use on Wikipedia. But the problem should be fixed soon. -- Green  C  02:20, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

I see, so I could improve my links by not using .vn is what you are saying? I found that the older .ph .fo all stopped working after a while. This appears to be a natural process. From time to time the extension changes because many sites set up blockers to block Archive Today, but they want to get away with posting horrible things online, but they don't want anyone to save these things and later be held responsible. Anyone who wants a site removed can have it removed and some of the sites I am indexing all removed themselves from Wayback. When Alexis was crawling many sites were saved many times on Wayback, but since Alexis Crawls no longer saves sites on Wayback, I don't think there are any crawlers at work. You say they are, but each time I go to a site, I never see recent saves from pages, unless I was to personally save them myself. I can not estimate the date in which Alexis Crawls stopped working, but I am thinking around 2011? It would be super great if I could count on everything being saved by a crawler which could have saved a number of things that were deleted that I was interested in. I save things as much as I can but I am only person and my saves can only help in a small way. I will accept a private message if you send one on wikipedia. Ty78ejui (talk) 17:24, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

I have added a new reference on the article chemical garden and I have used the today link instead of vn. I hope it will remain a part of Archive Today. Ty78ejui (talk) 21:30, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

Uploading a Photographer's Picture I Have Permission To Use
I have written permission from the photographer to upload one of her original photographs as the display image for the Wikipedia main article for a band. She wishes to retain full copyright, but she has given me written permission to use the image for the purposes of the image display for the Wikipedia article of this band: The Buttertones

How should I upload the image (resolution/size dimensions??) and under what licensing etc. options should I select?

Cheers CascatheBrash (talk) 20:06, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, Wikipedia only licenses are not acceptable. You can find which licenses are acceptable on Commons:Commons:Licensing. Ruslik_ Zero 20:20, 12 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Hello, and welcome to the Teahouse. Basically, you don't. Wikipedia only accepts a grant of permission when it mis a free licence such as CC-BY-SA, permitting anyone in the world to use or modify the image, subject only to giving proper attribution or credit. Otherwise, unless the image fits the very limited criteria for using a non-free image under a claim of fair use, Wikipedia cannot use the image. "Permission to use on Wikipedia" is of no value at all unless it includes a full, permanent free license. Some image creators are willing to release a low-resolution version of an image. Some are not. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 20:29, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

College board is for profit change my mind!
College board is for profit change my mind!

If you look at the GAINED REVENUE that college board EARNED in 2017, it is CLEAR that college board is a FOR-profit company. I hate college board CollegeboardL (talk) 20:09, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Please bring your objections to the relevant article's talk page and provide sourced arguments. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 20:11, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Being a non-profit means that there's no owner that gets to take the profits home at the end of the year. It's possible for a non-profit to have high revenue, just like it's possible for a for-profit organization to have no profits. WhatamIdoing (talk) 00:53, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

Incineroar
Critique Draft:Incineroar JTZegers (talk) 21:09, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
 * It has been declined five times. That is more than adequate critiquing. It now redirects to a list of Pokeman characters. David notMD (talk) 21:45, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

The United Kingdom of China and Taiwan's talk page redirect
I noticed this talk page User talk:The United Kingdom of China and Taiwan from the user named in the subject just redirects right back to the user page. This is slightly concerning. (I didn't revert or warn about anything from this user yet.) What should we do about this? Is this allowed? Randompointofview (talk) 21:15, 12 May 2020 (UTC) Pinging before I forget. Randompointofview (talk) 21:21, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Redirect has been removed by . — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 21:24, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you,, for reporting this. It's an interesting username, just on the fringes of attracting a softblock for breaching our username policy (WP:USERNAME) by referencing a controversial topic which some might find offensive (bullet 1 of WP:DISRUPTNAME) and also for suggesting a multiple user account (WP:SHAREDACCOUNT) - about 1.4 billion potential users (according to this page!). I will, however, keep an eye on it. ( - any thoughts on this?) Nick Moyes (talk) 22:12, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Sorry to be slow to respond,, but I have been traveling today. I agree that this username is problematic for the reasons you stated. Unity between China and Taiwan is highly controversial, the notion of a united Chinese kingdom is both controversial and probably fringe, and the name implies shared use. The name may be so fringe that nobody can take the notion seriously. When I Google the exact phrase "United Kingdom of China and Taiwan", I get zero hits except for this Wikipedia account. So, that leads me to believe that there is no such organized group, and that this account most likely represents an individual with grand ideas. So, I recommend continuing to monitor the user's contributions and considering administrative action if disruptive behavior occurs. <b style="color:#070">Cullen</b><sup style="color:#707">328  Let's discuss it  05:55, 13 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks,, I've now left them a note, asking about their username, and will monitor. Nick Moyes (talk) 06:53, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

How to add citations to an article.
I was told I must include citations in an article I've been trying to submit to Wikipedia. I can't figure out how to add citations to names and subjects in my article. My article is about well known guitarist/composer/orchestrator and member of the Wrecking Crew group of studio musicians, Don Peake. Ekkie101 (talk) 21:34, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Please refer to WP:REFBEGIN to learn how to add citations in Wikipedia's style. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 21:35, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
 * If you find the article on 'Referencing for Beginners' rather complex, I can offer an alternative guide I have prepared (see WP:EASYREFBEGIN). I have not looked at Draft:Don Peake in detail, but please be aware that individual members of a notable band rarely merit a page of their own unless they have reached 'notability' on their own as a musician, per WP:NMUSICIAN. It was only very recently that Jungkook (from BTS) merited a separate page after their individual chart success. Be aware that, as a mate of the article's subject, you do have a strong Conflict of Interest. Thank you for mentioning that on your userpage, but do remember that we can only accept content based upon reliable, independent published sources. We care not a jot about what the subject wants to add about themselves, even if they ask you to. So, by way of example, if there's nothing published in the public domain that allows anyone to verify that he "earned a United States Coast Guard 100 ton Captains License for mechanical and sail in 1983", then please remove it. Regards from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 22:43, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
 * (I'm sure that Nick means that it has to be published so the general public can read it. He doesn't mean that it has to be in the public domain, which is about copyright law.) WhatamIdoing (talk) 00:50, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

Creating a Sidebar for "History of the Humanities"
Is there anyone who is willing and able to help me create a sidebar for the topic "History of the Humanities", or the "History of the Western Humanities"? This field of study is on history from a cultural perspective. It differs from the usual perspective on history from the political or economic view. The History of the Humanities includes the history of religion, philosophy, and law, their writings, and history of the arts: literature, architecture, sculpture, painting, music, and the minor arts. It is a class offered in most liberal arts colleges. Many WP articles on this vast array of topics could benefit from a recognition of its different more 'human' perspective on history, but more importantly, the connection to other articles under the same category that a sidebar would offer would, imo, genuinely enhance the encyclopedia experience. (I looked and didn't find an existing template, but if someone else knows of one already made, please tell me as I need to use it!) Otherwise, someone, please help me make one. I've never done one and would like to know how. Jenhawk777 (talk) 22:11, 12 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Jenhawk777, it's not technically all that hard. Have you found a similar one that you want to copy? Once you've found a good model (Psychology sidebar is a big one), you pretty much copy the content to a new template page, and swap in the names and links that you want to have. WhatamIdoing (talk) 00:48, 13 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Okay so you're having faith that I can figure it out huh? Aw-ight then! I'll give it a go! Jenhawk777 (talk) 02:51, 13 May 2020 (UTC)
 * WhatamIdoing So as it turns out, it seems your faith is misplaced. I copied the psych sidebar into my sandbox. I attempted to substitute the appropriate other topics. I attempted to preview and submit, and it comes up blank. Nothing is there. Nada. Zilch. I am probably missing some slash or dot in the right place or some such programming rule from Hell designed to annoy and frustrate all the rest of the world that is not a programmer. I got nothing man, and that was actually a good bit of work with nothing to show for it. Please feel free to go to my sandbox and take a look--edit at will. Please. I'll be in your debt. Jenhawk777 (talk) 04:52, 13 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi, I decided to step in and fiddle with your sandbox. Some links were improperly closed and I have switched to  tags to make it visible on the page. — Tenryuu 🐲  ( 💬 • 📝 ) 05:08, 13 May 2020 (UTC)


 * May all the blessings of all the gods of all the universes fall upon your head! Thank you! Jenhawk777 (talk) 05:23, 13 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Tenryuu The above is for you! I got all the red out, added a perfect photo, and I absolutely love it!! Thank you again. Now I need to know how to get it out there so people will use it. Can I make one of those quick and easy templates for it? Jenhawk777 (talk) 05:55, 13 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Once you have the template finalised, you can. If you follow the format of that'd be great. By the way, you're using the wrong brackets to notify me and WhatamIdoing; use curly brackets, not square ones. — Tenryuu 🐲  ( 💬 • 📝 ) 06:20, 13 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Sorry! And thanx again! Do I just add that to the top of the rest or what? And thanx again! Jenhawk777 (talk) 06:28, 13 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Me again. Can a page have more than one sidebar? Jenhawk777 (talk) 06:43, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

Can a page have more than one sidebar? To the best of my knowledge usually only one sidebar is used in an article. You could also use navboxes, which are essentially horizontal sidebars, and place them at the bottom of articles. That too can be made a template. You may want to read WP:NAVBOX (WP:SIDEBAR leads to the same section) to get an idea of what a good sidebar/navbox has. Even further reading: WP:NAV. Do I just add that to the top of the rest or what? Copy and paste the template code (and the documentation) over to the new template page. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 06:58, 13 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I read it before coming here to ask. I just didn't understand it. So many of the instructions on WP use what seems to me like special terms that I don't know the meaning of--after I've muddled through it, I understand what they meant, but before? "Copy and paste the template code--I guess that is the tag syntax thing above?--and what documentation?--to the new template page??? What is the template page? Jenhawk777 (talk) 07:15, 13 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Template code refers to everything within and including the  and   tags. You would have to create your own documentation; you can take a look at Template:Psychology sidebar/doc for ideas. The template page would be  where you fill in the blank; documentation would go in . I need to get some sleep; another editor will be able to clarify things for you. Have a good night. — Tenryuu 🐲  ( 💬 • 📝 ) 07:27, 13 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you for explaining things. Good night. :-) Jenhawk777 (talk) 09:14, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

COI, NPOV and sources
My first attempt to write an article Draft:New Ideas Chamber Orchestra has been declined twice because of non-neutral writing style and insufficient sources. I do have a conflict of interest writing about this subject, but if I understand correctly, as long as the COI is not visible in the article, everything is fine, true?

Now I think I've done my best to 'neutralise' the language, and remove content that is unsupported or irrelevant, but before I submit again, could someone look through the article and tell me if it's ok or if there's more to be done? It would be really helpful! ChamberContemp (talk) 23:06, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Hello,, and welcome to teh Teahouse. There are still formatting issues, and possible sourcing issues. The list of "famous people they have performed with" is perilously close to name-dropping, which is a form of p0romotionm, even if the statements are all accurate. Some professional reviews of the work of NICO, properly cited, would help significantly.
 * Oh, don't linmke more than once to the same article, as you did to the founder's article. Refer to people, such as the founder, by surname alone after the first mention,, unless there mare multiple, people with the same or very similar names, so that confusion is likely. I hope that helps a bit. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 23:41, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Update: I have left a Connected contributor template on the talk page to show that has declared their conflict of interest. — Tenryuu 🐲  ( 💬 • 📝 ) 00:58, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

Thank you very much! I guess I'll have to put in some more work, I'll try to find some reviews. I don't think there are reviews in English though - would it be ok if I used reviews in Russian or Lithuanian languages and translated the content that I need from the reviews myself? I am qualified to do that, but I won't have the way to prove that my translation is correct. Another problem with reviews is that they are often full of metaphors and all that, so it's hard to imagine it as content for Wikipedia. is there a common way to solve this? As for the "list of famous people NICO has played with", as well as "famous festivals and venues in which they performed" - I know it sounds like advertising. But when talking about music ensembles - they're pretty much the most important things in the ensemble's history and one cannot simply leave those out. Of course, the statements must have their sources, but in this article's case - they do. Or am I getting something wrong? ChamberContemp (talk) 07:24, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

File:Lauren_London_photo.jpg
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Lauren_London_photo.jpg I need help setting this photo for Lauren London on her Wikipedia page Ahshion1 (talk) 23:44, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Hello,, and welcome to the Teahouse. That file is about tom be deleted as a copyright infringement, so adding it toi any article would be unwise and pointless. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 23:52, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Replied at Talk:Lauren London. GoingBatty (talk) 01:10, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

How old is everyone on Wikipedia?
--Hoi mate (talk) 23:54, 12 May 2020 (UTC)1


 * Hard to answer, it varies greatly. Who writes Wikipedia? does include age statistics. Hillelfrei   talk   00:05, 13 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Wikipedians indicates that about six out of every seven editors are adults. More recent research says that the most active editors are young and middle-aged adults. WhatamIdoing (talk) 00:42, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

@WhatamIdoing Yes, That is correct, With the education teachers provide with technology makes our students SMARTER therefor middle aged adults or 8-13^ year olds are sharing what their knowledge that has been taught to them :) --Western Heights College (talk) 01:02, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

Parameters for citing newspaper articles
Is a newspaper's location no longer desired when its articles are cited? I refer to the May 12, 2020, revision of Robert Warwick in which cities were removed from citations. I am also curious about the change of "work" to "newspaper", since the "cite news" template still has "work". In future citations of newspaper articles, should I omit the city and manually change "work" to "newspaper"? Eddie Blick (talk) 01:24, 13 May 2020 (UTC)
 * When I'm citing The New York Times, I don't add that the location is New York or that it's published by the New York Times Company, as I think that just bloats the reference section. However, if it's a newspaper with a common name or a less popular newspaper, the location could be important to help the reader understand the source of the newspaper (see Template:Cite news). Also, newspaper is an alias for work, so changing from one to the other doesn't impact the way the reference is presented to the reader (see Template:Cite news). Hope this helps! GoingBatty (talk) 01:38, 13 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Thanks, I appreciate the feedback. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Teblick (talk • contribs) 01:44, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

i feel like an idiot asking this
Stupid question

I want to add something to Ian Curtis' page, about his first seizure, as to quote Bernard Sumner. Problem is, it's in the 2007 documentary Joy Division. How do I source a documentary? Nolanisntfunny (talk) 02:25, 13 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi . You should be able to use the template cite AV media per WP:SAYWHERE. However, before you add something such as that to the article, you might want to take a look at WP:SPS, WP:PRIMARY and WP:INTERVIEW, and also perhaps consider discussing this at Talk:Ian Curtis just to see what some others might think. Even though Curtis is dead, Sumner isn't and WP:BLP would still apply to any content about him (directly or indirecly); moreover, things which might have been said during a interview as part of a documentary are likely going to be considered WP:BLPSPS type of source depending up who said them and who they are about. If Sumner's comment is about himself, then it might be OK; if, however, he's talking about others then it might not. Because things might be a little more complicated here than they seem, it might be better to be WP:CAUTIOUS. -- Marchjuly (talk) 02:45, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

how can I view the main page from 10 may 2020?
How can I retreive the main page content from 10 may 2020? There is a person I want more information on. 69.148.173.121 (talk) 02:28, 13 May 2020 (UTC)
 * See Main Page history/2020 May 10. If you ever want to see a previous day's Main Page, see WP:MPH.  bibliomaniac 1  5  02:38, 13 May 2020 (UTC)
 * The Wayback Machine started archiving it regularly in June 2004. It currently does it dozens of times per day. —[ Alan M 1  (talk) ]— 07:41, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

Confusion around a reversion of my edit
After working to resolve the listed issues with this article: Miguel Gutierrez (choreographer), the edits were immediately rolled back. There was only one citation in the article, and much of it was copied directly from other sources. Is there something different I should have done here? TravisAmiel (talk) 04:45, 13 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I don't know why reverted your edit, but I see a message on your talk page claiming your edit "did not appear constructive". As part of the BOLD, revert, discuss cycle, I hope the two of you will discuss improvements to the article at Talk:Miguel Gutierrez (choreographer). GoingBatty (talk) 05:08, 13 May 2020 (UTC)
 * The reversion has been undone. Keep up the good work to improve this article! GoingBatty (talk) 13:31, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

Adding another page in my name, one for demonstrations in education
How can I add another page in my user name. I want to set up a page so that I can put a demonstration on there for students. Can someone please direct me on how to do this and what guidelines I must follow? Thanks --Carrolquadrio (talk) 06:26, 13 May 2020 (UTC) Carrolquadrio (talk) 06:26, 13 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Hello, . You can set up any number of additional user pages with the format of User:Carrolquadrio/anything, substituting any word or phrase for the "anything" in my example. This is fine as long as your goal is to assist in improving the encyclopedia. Please read School and university projects for more information that will be useful to you as an educator. <b style="color:#070">Cullen</b><sup style="color:#707">328  Let's discuss it  06:45, 13 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you User:Cullen328 that is definitely my goal, I appreciate the assistance. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Carrolquadrio (talk • contribs) 06:51, 13 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Just to forewarn you: our on-site notification system has a major flaw in that it does not function on user subpages. So you'll probably be best advised to ensure you add each new sub-page you make to your watchlist and ensure you have email notifications enabled. That way, you're more likely to be alerted whenever one of your students makes an edit there. Good luck! Nick Moyes (talk) 07:20, 13 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Nick Moyes that is a great tip thank you. I am will need all the luck I can get. One task I have set myself is to get students to think about how (and when)they upload images. So I might use the subpage more as a space that only educates, they can go back and do the activity in the learning forum. Just sorting it out in my head. Too many students to let them loose editing on my sub page I think, but maybe I will build to this. Thanks for the engagement--Carrolquadrio (talk) 07:28, 13 May 2020 (UTC)
 * One approach you could consider is to create some content on one of your own subpages, and get them each to follow a set of instructions which will involve them copying that content over to each of their own pages and then editing and working on it there. (You could even go so far as to help them do this by treating your page as a template and getting them to substitute your content onto one of their subpages. eg with a command like ). I hope this helps, and don't forget to remind them that we're here if they get stuck and need help. (By the way, I love your photo on your userpage, so I'm pinging  at 'The Signpost' who I'm sure will find it one of those things that really 'makes her happy'.) Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 08:05, 13 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Nick Moyes Love the idea that you are sharing my dogs to make someone happy, what a lovely gesture for both of us. I like your idea also of having my page as a template, especially in the early days when students are overwhelmed by all the new concepts and tasks. We ask them to put the "I'm a Newbie" template on their user page, this could be one such thing that would be easier to just move over to be honest. Good tips Nick, thanks for taking the time.--Carrolquadrio (talk) 23:52, 13 May 2020 (UTC)
 * You're welcome! Nick Moyes (talk) 23:54, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

Review of improvement, Danfoss
I hope this is the right place to ask? I have been doing some improvements on Danfoss. I had some issues with being too much like an advertisement and not encyclopedic. I think it's better now, but still not perfect. I tried to remove the templates myself, as far as I understand from Help:Maintenance_template_removal, that should be OK, even if I'm the one who made the improvements. However, that was reverted with a suggestion to let some else review the changes. So: Can I get someone else to take a look at the page and tell me if the templates can be removed, please? Anders Kaas Petersen (talk) 06:27, 13 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse. After taking a quick glance at the article, I think it's the sentence structure being used that is making some editors feel that it is too promotional and lacks an encyclopedic tone. Some things:
 * Comma usage. Linking fragments together creates run-on sentences that don't look great on an encyclopedia. Other times they shouldn't be there (for example, The company also activities into hydraulics the first hydraulic component produced  the factory in Nordborg in 1964. My suggested corrections in red).
 * Headings. They don't sound neutral, like "Expansion to the world".
 * Relevance of some sections. I'm not sure if "Ownership" and "Executive leadership" are big enough topics to warrant their own sections.
 * Citations. Some citations in the "Activities" section would be preferred.


 * I hope that helps somewhat. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 07:11, 13 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Thanks, and thanks for the advice. Commas have never been my strong side, but I will try to pay more attention to them. This will help me to improve the page, I think. --Anders Kaas Petersen (talk) 07:58, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

HELP: Unjust deletion from user:GSS, draft:vibease
I've been working on my page for a few days. I'm new and I'm trying to learn to meet all requirements. I'm an employee of the company. I feel user:GSS is unreasonable for invoking speed deletion, while I'm still a discussion with other wiki admins to improve my article.

user:GSS at first rejected my draft due to insufficient coverage. After I added more reference, All my references are from top media, Wired, Forbes, Fast Company, TechCrunch.

user:GSS then said I'm doing promotion and ask for speedy deletion.

Vibease deserved a page in the Wikipedia, because vibease produce the first vibrator that can be controlled by smartphone. The earliest article to proof was Feb 2012. Please see all the other references. It's not self-boasting. Paul Handri (talk) 07:24, 13 May 2020 (UTC)


 * You "must" stop accusing me everywhere you post your comment and I take your comment "Perhaps user:GSS has an personal issue with a vibrator" as a personal attack which you repeated for the third time. Also, you are not being honest in regard to your paid editing status and I have off-wiki evidence to support my claim. <span style="font-family:monospace;font-weight:bold;font-size:16px;color:hsl(205, 98%, 55%);">GSS &#x202F;&#128172; 07:32, 13 May 2020 (UTC)


 * , with all due respect, please SHHH. Just forward it via email to an admin. And, you might want to read the essay on my userpage. The community allows paid editing. It tolerates it in the absence of a better solution. If you expect it to be easy, you'll need to adjust your expectations. I know of no member of the Wikipedia community that approves of paid editing. And the content of the encyclopedia is controlled by the community. You need to stop the personal attacks now. It certainly won't serve to further your goals, and what you are doing doesn't further Wikipedia's goals. Think we'll tolerate both very long? You only have control over one, and you need to exercise that control now. John from Idegon (talk) 07:54, 13 May 2020 (UTC)
 * (ec) Discuss content, not contributors. Your comment above that GSS objects to is inappropriate and will probably get you blocked if you continue. The user said above that they are an employee of the company and their user page has declared their paid status since 2020-05-11T06:01:52Z. —[  Alan M 1  (talk) ]— 07:58, 13 May 2020 (UTC)



I'm sorry. I was frustrated. I will remove all my personal comments. If that's allowed. How do you keep saying I'm paid contributor? Yes, in the past the company paid someone from Upwork to do an article. WHich the article got removed. The company didn't know they can create the page themselves. Thus I decided to create this page. For someone who got paid, I dont' think he/she will be so persistent. I have spent 3 days for this article. I'm willing to send you KYC if you need to prove my identity. Video call is welcome.


 * : if you want to verify my identity, please cc the email to dema [at] vibease [dot] com. YOu can talk directly to the founder of the company to verify my identity.
 * my bad. sorry.

If because I received a salary from the company and this categorized as "Paid", then I'm ok. My impression of Paid, someone outside the company, received payment to create an article
 * Sign your posts. It isn't optional. If you are tasked as part of your job to edit Wikipedia on behalf of another person or legal entity, then you are a PAID editor, irregardless of whether your relationship with the entity is contractual or employee/employer. John from Idegon (talk) 08:25, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

Noted. While there is no formal request from my boss. He asked why can't vibease in the Wikipedia. Thus I write this page. I don't get additional pay for creating this page. I'm happy to provide any information to prove I'm working for vibease. Like I mentioned, last year, the company paid someone from Upwork to create vibease page. Because we thought wiki can only be created by the admins. I just learned about signpost. Paul Handri (talk) 08:40, 13 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Paul, the fact that you work for the company is not a point in your favor. So do you assemble dildos or test them? Because if you work in marketing, promotion or advertising (or any other job that involves communication for them), you are a paid editor. If you simply work for them, you have a WP:COI. When your boss asked why your company didn't have an article on Wikipedia, you responded by creating one. Perhaps this all would have gone smoother if you would have instead found out what it takes to get an article on Wikipedia. You clearly haven't a clue still. The answers lie here and here. Your not helping your cause by the way you aee acting. No entity is "entitled" an article here. This isn't social media or a business directory. And we (every Wikipedian except paid editors) are volunteering to edit Wikipedia. A very small number of us also volunteer to help new editors. I won't waste my time helping people like you who are here to promote something. Expecting that on your part is at best ignorant, in the middle rude, and at the extreme immoral and tantamount to theft. Do I come barging into your model railroad club or birdwatching society and demand that you stop what you do for fun to help me make money? That's what you are doing. John from Idegon (talk) 09:08, 13 May 2020 (UTC)


 * What do you mean by "So do you assemble dildos or test them?" You are getting personal. Even though you are an editor, it does not entitle you to make fun of me. I was frustrated, I apologized for my mistakes. But it seems you want to continue in this path. You called me "extreme immoral and tantamount to theft" because I'm making a smart vibrator?

Perhaps you want to read this https://www.fastcompany.com/3029634/the-difficulties-of-running-a-sex-inspired-startup Probably we are not the noble company. Wikipedia is for public knowledge. I'm not claiming I'm entitled. I just stating the facts because the company made significant contribution in the vibrator industry. I'm not here try to sell my products. There are other companies who claimed they first one to create the first smart vibrator. Paul Handri (talk) 09:59, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

Hey!! I suggest everyone sit back and have a cup of tea. Appears that Paul (finally) gets that being employed by a company counts as PAID and has declared so on user page. Perhaps that and who owns or does not own a vibrator can be set aside. David notMD (talk) 10:09, 13 May 2020 (UTC)
 * The draft has been declined twice, and appears that Paul is continuing to try to address those comments. I suggest the Speedy be taken off and he be allowed the time to work on the article. My own opinion is that all of this information should be removed ["In 2012, together with his co-founders Steven Kik and Hermione Way, they launched a crowdfunding campaign to mass-produce the Vibease. The initial campaign was rejected by Kickstarter due to adult product restrictions.[5] [6] Eventually, in 2013, they had a successful crowdfunding campaign through Indiegogo platform.[7][8] In order to learn more about building a succesful startup, in 2012 the team joined startup accelerator The Founder Institute.[9] In 2013, they joined HAX Accelerator to learn about manufacturing in Shenzhen. [10]"] and the article go forward as a Stub. My thinking is that how a start-up got funded is not relevant. David notMD (talk) 10:15, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi : thanks for looking into this. I'm willing to remove the kickstarted comment. Actually I added this because one of editors suggested that. I'm afraid if I remove most it. there is nothing else to tell. I have removed the product list. Paul Handri (talk) 10:36, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

We are still in discussion and someone deleted the page. Paul Handri (talk) 12:30, 13 May 2020 (UTC) Can I re-create the page? Paul Handri (talk) 12:30, 13 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Deleting editor was User:Jimfbleak. Make your case on his Talk page. (Be diplomatic.) Based on what I see on his Talk page, he will respond on your Talk page. David notMD (talk) 13:03, 13 May 2020 (UTC)


 * If you wok for a company (including as an unpaid intern) and it is any part of yo0ur job responsibility to promote or market the company or its products, or you are assigned or requested by your boss or other company officials to write a Wikipedia article, you are a PAID editor here, even if you receive no extra money specifically for writing the article. All the restrictions of WP:PAID then apply.
 * If an article or draft is essentially promotional, as the recently deleted draft was, it may be deleted by any admin at any time, whether it is being discussed or not. A purely factual draft, not emphasizing the company's mission or vision, and supported largely by cites to independent published reliable sources might well be acceptable. I rather suspect that the company is in fact notable. It would be best if someone other than you were to write such a draft, however. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 13:04, 13 May 2020 (UTC)
 * DESiegel: Paul has declared PAID. David notMD (talk) 13:07, 13 May 2020 (UTC)


 * the page has been deleted. Can I send you the draft for your review?Paul Handri (talk) 13:28, 13 May 2020 (UTC)
 * As an admin, I can see deleted pages, and I reviewed the draft briefly after it had been deleted and before making the above comments. I am not sure if I would have deleted it when it was deleted, but if the deletion were challenged as improper I would endorse it as perfectly proper. That is why I wote above . You should address the deleting admin, at [User talk:Jimfbleak, if you want the page restored, but it might well be that it would be better if the draft were restarted from scratch, and if it were done by someone other than you. You may quote my comment that the company looks possibly notable if you wish. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 14:00, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

Thanks ::! am I allowed to recreate the draft? I don't want to get blocked. I have talked with I just found some of the suggestions I received from other editors are subjective and can be conflicting. But the biggest issues are the references I gave are deemed not independent / possibly paid. Which is subjective. Paul Handri (talk) 14:22, 13 May 2020 (UTC) How can I defend myself on this? The media that wrote about our product not 2nd tier media. Forbes will be required to put "advertorial" if they wrote a paid content. Since my product is tech-related, it is obvious it was covered by tech media. Because it's a vibrator. Not many traditional newspapers or media can write about vibease.

How do I get someone to write about it? If I'm not allowed to pay someone and the person has no benefit from writing it? Paul Handri (talk) 14:18, 13 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I looked at Jimbleak's comments on your Talk page. He did not block you from going forward, suggested what to add, and even made suggestions as to what types of basic information can be sourced from the company's own website. If Vibrase decided to pay someone who is not an employee, that person would have to declare PAID and COI as you did, so no gain there. So again, I suggest you ask Jimbleak to reinstate the draft with a commitment to avoid any promotional sounding information and to continue to search and add reliable source, independent refs. I know I recommended deleting the funding information, mostly because that stuff tends to be rehashes of company press releases. Lastly, I also advise against any attack on other Wikipedia articles about smart vibrators. David notMD (talk) 19:05, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

Noted. Thanks : About the funding, actually suggesting putting sales number. I'm confused.

My impression resubmitting a deleted article can be deemed as spam and can get block. Thus I need to check with. Are you able to reinstate my draft? Or should I create a new draft? Also I want to ask a genuine question with respect, can I hire one of the editors from here? I'm not sure if we hire another random guy from Upwork. it can make things more complicated. Paul Handri (talk) 07:26, 14 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Paul Handri, declaring your COI gives you a degree of protection from blocking as long as you are seen to be trying to follow our rules. Paying an editor here would just put them in the same Paid editor position. What I could do is post you your infobox and (unchecked) references without the text, let me know <b style="font-family:Lucida;color:red">Jimfbleak</b> - talk to me?  08:45, 14 May 2020 (UTC)


 * If you can put it back. That will be great. I can start edit again. I will get more feedback from other editors. Thanks!

again sorry for my unprofessional comments. Paul Handri (talk) 09:06, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

Follow-up to Akshay KumarAlia Bhatt wikipedia
I was reading Alia Bhatt,s wiki yesterday and first line is written as(Alia Bhat is an actor and singer of Indian origin with British citizenship). I have a objection on it as citizenship is not a big achievment by anybody specially a person like Alia Bhatt who is recognised in India as top actress.Why someone written in the first line?I fixed and removed then I got warning from a person who written that.She born in India works in India so why we have to be proud of her being British?Is that person degrading India?Also she is not a class singer.Should,nt mention that as well.However rest paragraphs about her acting is ok. Aligulla (talk) 09:23, 13 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. If you disagree with the placement or inclusion of any information, you should discuss the matter on the article talk page. When you do, please just focus on the content, and do not accuse other editors of undesirable motivations. 331dot (talk) 09:26, 13 May 2020 (UTC)


 * , Wikipedia's articles about people routinely state their nationality in the first sentence. Why should Alia Bhatt be an exception? Maproom (talk) 16:16, 13 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Also,, no Wikipedia article about anyone should include information in order to demonstrate an "achievement" or "make us [who?] feel proud." This would constitute Promotion, which is explicitly forbidden on Wikipedia. Articles are supposed only to state facts about (in this context) people which are corroborated by citations to Reliable sources, and should do so in a neutral manner without making any judgement as to whether those facts are 'good' or 'bad'. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.197.24.23 (talk) 20:13, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

About Alia Bhatt wiki
I got few responses as I talked about first paragraph of Alia Bhatt,s wiki.Comments saying its allowed to write someone,s nationality(as Alia Bhatts citizen ship is written British)as I felt somebody tried to make it as her big achievment.I have a question to those who tried to justfy why British or Canadian nationality is being mentioned and not Indian for those who got Indian citizenship?Show me other actors wiki where is written in the first line (any actor) got Indian citizenship.It definitely shows mentality of some people who degrade their own country.....well done and carry on. Aligulla (talk) 10:28, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Hello, . The place to discuss this is Talk:Alia Bhatt, which you have not so far done. Articles about people usually name their nationality in the first line of the lede. --ColinFine (talk) 10:47, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Not all editors here are Indian. There are also some people who write about things not related to their country (like me), so your "shows mentality of some people who degrade their own country" statement makes no sense.
 * It is a common practice to write a person’s nationality and occupation (or what they’re known for) in the first sentence. Not just in Wikipedia, but even in other reputable encyclopaedias like Encyclopædia Britannica.
 * If the first sentence was legally required to have only the major achievements a person had achieved, we wouldn’t have to write a person’s nationality anywhere. What did Franklin D Roosevelt do to be born an American? What did Narendra D Modi do to be born an Indian?
 * Since Indians can not hold dual citizenship, it would be incorrect to call her a British Indian actress or vice versa.
 * The article’s first sentence is "Alia Bhatt (/ˈɑːliːɑː ˈbət/; born 15 March 1993) is an actress and singer of Indian origin and British citizenship, who works in Hindi films". It clearly says that she is of Indian origin.
 * Please name a non-Indian actor who got Indian citizenship before you ask us to "Show me other actors wiki where is written in the first line (any actor) got Indian citizenship."
 * And by the way, you’re using a comma instead of an apostrophe.
 * RedBulbBlueBlood9911 (talk) 10:53, 14 May 2020 (UTC)


 * "I got few responses . . . .", you got three responses to your previous query (#94 in the current contents list of this desk). All of them addressed the mistaken concerns you raised there, but instead of responding to them there you have completely ignored them and raised the same mistaken concerns again, which has patiently and extensively addressed again. There seems little point in the volunteers here responding to you further if you ignore or fail to understand clearly stated replies that correctly explain basic Wikipedia policies and practices. Such behaviour may be deemed to fall under Disruptive editing if you persist with it.
 * In any case, as has advised you, the appropriate place to pursue such concerns is at the Talk page of the article. Regarding the article, I note (for the benefit of other users) that you have already received a 48-hour block for edit warring there, but have yet to make any use of its Talk page. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.197.24.23 (talk) 18:30, 14 May 2020 (UTC)


 * The previous thread, with its answers, is at . David Biddulph (talk) 18:44, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

About Alia Bhatt wiki
What about second line?Highest paid actress of 2019.Does all sources say?I could,nt find in forbes and many others as some of saying Deepka and Kangna.It should be written as (one of highest paid actress of india). I read your previous comments and agree we can write someone,s nationality or origine but my piont was not in the first line. I do not trust people who write in wiki and if some one change and they give warning and have write to block.This thing will take off people,s trust on wiki. Aligulla (talk) 20:53, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Please discuss any issues or suggestions about the article on that article's talk page. RudolfRed (talk) 20:58, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Don't keep starting new sections. I have merged the 3 sections on the same subject. Now please read the multiple answers which you have received. --David Biddulph (talk) 21:04, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

Draft to Wikipedia
Hello! I wrote an article about a heritage Tunisian singer Saliha (singer) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Saliha_(singer) and other articles still in Draft. Can I submit it on wikipedia or am I waiting? if an article on draft and I am self-confirmed can I submit it or not? Thank You MagieRouge (talk) 00:33, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Your draft is currently in the review backlog. You are welcome to continue working on it while waiting. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 01:04, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

Someone please decide whether audio of her songs and text of lyrics allowed. David notMD (talk) 01:21, 14 May 2020 (UTC)


 * File:Saliha_-_Mil_ghourba_fnani.ogg for example:, clearly this is neither a photographic work nor "official texts of legislative, administrative or legal nature and their official translations"; is it (A) "an anonymous work or pseudonymous work", or (B) a work whose last surviving author died over 50 years ago? -- Hoary (talk) 02:48, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
 * It falls under this bullet point: "It is another kind of work, and 50 years have passed since the year of death of the author (or last surviving author)". The singer died in 1958 so 62 years ago. Moumou82 (talk) 18:53, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
 * But Moumou82, the person singing (in front of an orchestra) words written by one or more people to a melody written by one or more people is not the sole author of the song. -- Hoary (talk) 21:57, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
 * The article in French has more details on her songs and the example above is a traditional one, meaning the lyricist and composer are unknown. I just verified all files on Commons and they are either in the same case or the lyricist/composer also died more than 50 years ago. Moumou82 (talk) 18:35, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
 * That's excellent news, Moumou82. -- Hoary (talk) 21:58, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

Adding a Reference / Citation to the 'Superman Returns' Article
May I add a reference / citation to the Superman Returns article where it is stated that "Singer and screenwriters Michael Dougherty and Dan Harris came up with the idea of publishing a prequel limited series, spanning four comic book issues." ? Nickkoshy (talk) 04:41, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse! If you have a reliable source, you can add it to an article. If you are unsure if the source is reliable or have any other concerns, you can discuss them at the article talk page: Talk:Superman Returns. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 04:47, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Looking at your particular example, reference #44 already supports that sentence. GoingBatty (talk) 04:49, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the reply! I am trying to get the hang of editing on Wikipedia. I had looked at reference #44 in the Superman Returns page, and yes, it supports the sentence. The reference I am thinking of adding has an additional bit of information for the previous sentence. Please advise.
 * Hello, . If the source in question is reliable, and you think the extra information is encyclopaedic, then you can edit the article to add the information and the new source. If anybody disagrees and undoes your edit, you can discuss the matter, according to WP:BRD. --ColinFine (talk) 09:16, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you for letting me know. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nickkoshy (talk • contribs) 09:32, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

Why was my edit "not constructive"
My edit was removed by "I dream of horses" without reason

Hi, I am trying to do good and fix a simple error on the President (card game) page. there is a missing "not" in the sentence:

''In any event, the players who receive cards from the bottom positions always hand back an equal number of any "junk" cards they do not want. They are obliged to pass back their lowest cards.''

There is an obvious error here: passing back "junk" cards which they do not want means that they are not obligated to pass their lowest cards, as they may choose to keep two-threes and pass back a four and a five, since a pair of threes (although lowest cards) can be an advantage over a single four / single five cards.

Who is "I dream of horses"? did he/she not have the time of day to read the edit? 104.174.241.226 (talk) 06:17, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Pinging so she sees this.


 * Howdy hello, and welcome to the Teahouse. Sorry your edit got undone, I know that never feels good. It was likely undone because you didn't provide a reliable source for you edit, and it had a pretty serious change of meaning. In the future, make sure all edits are backed up by a source. CaptainEek  Edits Ho Cap'n!⚓ 06:23, 14 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Welcome to the Teahouse, IP editor. I suggest creating a discussion on the article's talk page and pinging I dream of horses with  there to ask them why they reverted. — Tenryuu 🐲  ( 💬 • 📝 ) 06:25, 14 May 2020 (UTC)


 * No source is cited for the rules. But the OP's preferred text has the merit of being consistent, unlike 's. When I have played President, there has always been a free choice of which cards to hand back. You can even include one that you were passed, though this is very rarely good. A flaw in this account of the game is that it mixes rules "hand back an equal number if cards" with advice on skilful play "hand back 'junk' cards they do not want", without distinguishing the rules from the advice. This flaw is very common in accounts of card games written by amateurs, and tends to render such accounts worthless. Maproom (talk) 07:32, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

Separate from comments on the game: If you disagree with another editor, focus on the content. Do not disparage the editor. Your comment asking if IDOH "...not have the time of day to read the edit?" was not constructive. David notMD (talk) 09:03, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

Editing a draft/unpublished article
I'm currently writing my first article. I left and tried to reenter but now the article is missing the box which contains the buttons on linking at the top of the page and citing articles on the bottom of the page. Wyntontia (talk) 06:41, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
 * , are you using the source or visual editor? — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 06:44, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
 * , I had no trouble editing the page, but I do not use the "visual editor". BY the way, I moved your COI declaraiton to your user page, which is where it belongs.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 06:47, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

I just got back to where I wanted to be. Thankyou both very much for responding so quickly. Thanks also for moving the COI. Is it obviously I'm very new? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wyntontia (talk • contribs) 06:49, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
 * We were all new once!ThatMontrealIP (talk) 06:51, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

my post
i have posted a article in wikipedia about my compiler language i created 2 years adn improving now. i have been editting article and sending 10 times but it was declined. i have given 6 referances but still some problem is there in it i cant understand why Barath kumar basker126 (talk) 07:35, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi, and welcome to the Teahouse. I went through your article (courtesy link: Draft:BA programming Language and cltator) and these are the issues:
 * All six sources are classified as primary (directly related to the subject). Wikipedia needs secondary and tertiary sources (like articles in the news that clearly write about the subject).
 * Since you are the creator of the programming language in the draft, you have to declare a Conflict of Interest (see Conflict of interest).
 * You haven’t established the notability of the subject. You need to collect a few articles from newspapers and reputed programming-related websites that write about your creation.
 * Wikipedia articles won’t usually have information on where to get a programming language (Which you’ve added) or information on commands in a language (unless the language is popular like Python).
 * RedBulbBlueBlood9911 (talk) 08:05, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

editing in Wikipedia
will i get paid for editing in Wikipedia Shark shengu (talk) 07:36, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
 * No. Wikipedia is a not-for-profit organization almost exclusively created and supported by volunteers who edit for any of the following reasons:
 * They’re fans or experts in some topic
 * They have free time and happen to like editing Wikipedia
 * If you ever receive a message saying that someone wants to pay you to do something on Wikipedia, remember that it is most likely a scam, and it also goes against Wikipedia’s policies.
 * RedBulbBlueBlood9911 (talk) 07:53, 14 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia will not pay you to edit Wikipedia. It is theoretically possible that you could offer your services as a Wikipedia editor as a business at your own place and on your own time so that others pay you, but while technically permitted, this is very difficult for people to do. Please review the paid editing policy and conflict of interest. The vast majority of people are here because they care about this project for some reason, not because they want to be paid. 331dot (talk) 10:16, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

How do I edit the width of an existing graph chart?
I'm trying to update data for Covid-19 in San Marino. I was adding additional daily cases from 9th May to 13th May. I put in all of the figures correctly and followed the template in the graph fine. But when I published it, the graph came out distorted because the coloured bars are now too wide for the data. I can't work out how to make the bars proportionally smaller. I've tried to copy other articles with countries with bigger Covid-19 cases but didn't see anything in them either.

Here is the article which I've recently edited. All of the data is correct, just need help with the display of the bars.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic_in_San_Marino

Thanks in advance Davidtunderthesea (talk) 08:15, 14 May 2020 (UTC)


 * It scales automatically but you had the  parameter set manually, which was over-riding the automatic scaling. I removed it in . --David Biddulph (talk) 09:30, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

Did You Know? section
Hi! I'm pretty new and I have done some minor editing here and there, I saw something i thought might be a good "Did you know" section bit but I learned that it only takes facts from recently destubbed/created articles, unsure as to whether this includes edits made within 7 days. Thought this was kind of odd as there's some intersting stuff you can find that isn't so recently added. Not sure how set in stone the front page stuff is but i think there should at least be maybe a seperate "did you know" or one thats half and half new and old so engangement in new articles still happens. For reference the thing i thought would be interesting is that a guy got a brain surgery to correct a fetish for safety pins, probably not appropriate for the front page but i think this applies accross the board. 208.114.129.7 (talk) 10:03, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
 * The purpose of DYK is to acknowledge articles (and editors) that have improved Wikipedia. Hence the criteria: new article, substantially lengthened existing article, and achieved Good Article status. With these limits, there are always enough submitted to fill the main page every day. David notMD (talk) 10:13, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

How to make your article online in Wikipedia
My article stays as Draft and not appears on wikipedia. How can I make it online? DDemberel (talk) 12:26, 14 May 2020 (UTC)


 * You haven't yet submitted the draft for AFC review, but there is no point in doing so in its current state. Your starting point is to ascertain whether the subject satisfies Wikipedia's definition of notability, which requires significant coverage in multiple published reliable sources independent of the subject. If so, you could then look at the advice in WP:Your first article. Your draft is malformatted so you need to look at the Manual of Style, and when you have references you can find how to include them by looking at Help:Referencing for beginners. --David Biddulph (talk) 12:34, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

Draft articles
Hi all, hope you’re staying safe. Just wanted some feedback on my draft articles and see if they require any improvement. All of them are on my user page. Any feedback or advice as a response will be greatly appreciated! Thanks. Sincerely, Kaito Nakamura (talk) 12:29, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse! Nice job with the drafts. Here are some of my thoughts, with helpful links:
 * It's too soon for articles on these future films
 * Italics should be used for the titles of novels and films.
 * Some references have the author's name listed twice. (This is a problem I see on other articles. Are you using a semi-automated tool to format the references? If so, which one? Have you reported a bug?)
 * Draft:'Salem’s Lot (film) and Draft:The Tommyknockers (film) could each use a hatnote to help readers looking for the previous film adaptations.
 * I hope the notes stating "It is unknown what number installment this will be in the franchise" are just reminders for you, which you would fix before submitting the drafts
 * External links should each have a bullet. The section header should be "External links", where "links" is not capitalized.
 * Some drafts use infobox film with deprecated parameters.
 * Untitled Momo film should not be italicized
 * The authors in Draft:Aquaman: King of Atlantis (miniseries) reference #2 are not formatted properly (another tool bug?)
 * Remove duplicate wikilinks within a section of an article
 * When formatting dates, there is no comma between the month and year
 * It doesn't seem like you have enough information on Draft:Darragh Ennis to warrant his own article. This information could be placed in an article about the show (if it's not already there).
 * Draft:List of American films of 2028 - way too early
 * Draft:Steve Coulter (actor) needs independent reliable sources as references
 * Keep up the good work! GoingBatty (talk) 13:34, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Just a few points. Yes those notes are just reminders for myself and other editors. I will fix up the references. I will take every bit of feedback into consideration. Thanks heaps, really appreciate it. Stay safe. Kaito Nakamura (talk) 22:50, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

Publishing an article
Hello ! I am just wondering how long does it take for an article to get published? I says Draft on my article. AM I doing something wrong? sorry I am just new to this. Many thanks. Maha92o (talk) 12:59, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. You have not formally submitted your drafts for review; I will shortly add the appropriate information so you can do so. 331dot (talk) 13:01, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I would add that if you are associated with the subjects, you must read and formally comply with the conflict of interest and paid editing policies first. The latter is a Terms of Use requirement and mandatory if applicable. 331dot (talk) 13:04, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

Newcomer question about improving a company page
Hello, thank you for the plethora of newcomer information on the forum. I have perused several articles and want to determine the most efficient avenue for desired edits of a company page. I have a close connection with this company and do not wish to hire a paid disclosed editor at this time. What is the process for submitting proper improvements for others to review? The Talk pages are correlative, but I do not know if they are the best locations to request for volunteers. The Article is SPX_Corporation - I would like to improve it based on business information obtained from its public website. Thank you. DanLuke11 (talk) 14:47, 14 May 2020 (UTC) DanLuke11 (talk) 14:47, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
 * You are welcome to make suggestions on the article's talk page. I have trimmed the article's promotional content, in the past an assortment of conflicted editors has added promotional material, mostly unsourced, but some of it sourced to the company website, we require secondary, independent reliable sources for most content likely to be contested. Theroadislong (talk) 15:08, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Hello,, and welcome to the teahousae. Please use request edit on the article talk page (here Talk:SPX_Corporation ) to request a specific change. Please give the proposed change is a specific "Change X to Y" format, and cite a reliable source for the suggested changes.
 * Since you say that you you yourself have a Conflict of interest and should declare, that as specified in WP:COI. If yoiu work for the company (whether as an employee, contractor, or as an intern) or have a significant ownership interest or other financial interest in the company, you are considered a paid editor, and must disclose this as described in WP:PAID. This is not optional. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 15:19, 14 May 2020 (UTC)


 * To add to 's points above, : your first priority after the necessary declarations is providing sufficient independent reliable sources to establish that the company meets Wikipedia's criteria for notability. At present the article has not a single independent source, and so does nothing to establish notability. Once you start asking for changes, it is likely that somebody will examine it, and if they cannot find such sources, nominate it for deletion. I suggest that it would be a waste of time doing anything to the article until its notability has been established: which requires citation of at least two or three places where people who have no connection with the company have chosen to publish substantial material about the company. Wikipedia has very little interst in what the subject of an article say about themselves, and even less in what they wish to be said about themselves. --ColinFine (talk) 15:32, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I fully agree with 's comments above, . I did not realize the sourcing was so slight when I wrote my comment above. By all means supply independent sources before suggesting any other changes, please. Any editor could nominate the current article for deletion, and as it stands it might well be deleted unless additional independent sources were found to meet WP:NCORP. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 15:56, 14 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Thank you! I will be sure to comply with WP:COI DanLuke11 (talk) 15:54, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

Trying to use NextDoor but cannot login or create a signin without immediately getting a 494 error
2600:1700:8160:3530:FD1B:C163:A48:E3CF (talk) 15:30, 14 May 2020 (UTC)


 * What is your question about editing Wikipedia? (That is the only thing this page is for). --ColinFine (talk) 15:33, 14 May 2020 (UTC)


 * I have no idea what the NextDoor is, but I suspect the error is 404, rather than 494. --CiaPan (talk) 16:33, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
 * There's a question on the Microsoft forums about a 494 error. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 16:52, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Ahhh... I suppose if I were interested in Nextdoor and its possible problems I would make some search and give a more appropriate answer. :) --CiaPan (talk) 16:57, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

Help with flagged article
Hello, I posted my first Wikipedia article (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Center_for_US-China_Arts_Exchange) but it was flagged for:

• The neutrality of this article is disputed. • This article includes a list of references, related reading or external links, but its sources remain unclear because it lacks inline citations.

I had the writers of the article to redraft the text but not sure if it still passes the threshold for neutrality. Also, I added inline citations but had challenges with the formatting.

I'd be greatly appreciative if someone can help guide me to address the flagged items. Sumin Chou (talk) 17:52, 14 May 2020 (UTC)


 * In the tags on the article, the words in blue are wikilinks to further advice. You don't have inline citations but you do have misplaced external links which you need to remove. You can find how to add references at Help:Referencing for beginners. --David Biddulph (talk) 18:39, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

Reporting harassment from another editor
I hope you can help me. Another editor by the name of Andrzejbanas has been harassing me on wikipedia. He follows me every day from article to article and deletes all my additions, then writes threatening messages on to my talk page, saying that I am intentionally vandalizing wikipedia and things like "you have been warned before", etc. almost to the point where I am so disgusted, I feel that any contributions I make are in vain. All my work gets erased the next day, and then he fills up my talk page with warnings and threats implying that I am going to be banned from editing. I have told this stalker to report me to wikipedia if he feels I am intentionally vandalizing the site, but I told him to stop posting his nasty notices on my talk page, as I simply don't want to hear his overbearing nonsense any more. It's obvious he is just setting me up to get me banned from editing, and I don't know why he's chosen me to stalk. Is there a way you can tell this editor to stop harassing me every day and stop writing things on my talk page? I feel I have made a lot of worthwhile contributions to the site, but if he keeps erasing all my work every day and threatening me, I will just have to quit editing. The agrravation is unbearable. Thanks for whatever help you can offer.FrankensteinsDad (talk) 19:01, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
 * To clarify, I have been removing edits from this user as they are a) stating information that is not in their sources or using sites that can not be clarified if they are following WP:RS. I have tried explaining this to the user, but I feel like it has not been getting through to them that their edits have been against basic rules. I think a brisk view of our edit histories will clarify this.Andrzejbanas (talk) 19:07, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Courtesy link to one disputed article for interested editors. Universal Classic Monsters. <b style="color:#7F007F">TimTempleton</b> <sup style="color:#800080">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  19:39, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse! I'm sorry you're struggling to having problems editing Wikipedia. Instead of directly editing articles, I suggest you post to the article talk pages (e.g. Talk:Universal Classic Monsters) to share your suggestions, and work collaboratively with other knowledgeable editors to come to a consensus on improving the articles. Good luck! GoingBatty (talk) 02:33, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

I just want to know why I'm the only editor on wikipedia who has this one guy following him day after day, trying so hard to find some reason to revert everything that I do so that he can post insulting things on my talk page just to give me the appearance of incompetence. I don't see any other editors stalking an individual like he does to me. It's obvious that he is purposely targeting me for some reason, and I have no idea why. Was this person assigned to watch me as part of his duties? Am I under his supervision in some way? There are thousands of people editing the site every day, and yet every day I sign on to see this one individual reverting all my work and leaving warnings about how I may have to be blocked soon because I'm so incompetent. Is this normal procedure, or is this just one very sick individual who has no life? Go back over my history and you'll see how many times this one editor has targeted me and reverted just about every contribution I've made. There has to be a way to get him to stop targeting only me. This can't possibly be the kind of environment which editors are expected to deal with, is it?FrankensteinsDad (talk) 18:55, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

Is there a way to have the linked reference number not appear as a subscript?
Suppose that an article uses footnote-style referencing, so that references appear as bracketed numbers in superscript, like this. This is achieved e.g. using the following markup:. (It can also be achieved using the refn template.)

It would be nice to be able to refer to this reference directly, e.g. like this: "As explained in Ref. 1, …" But, apart from not being superscripted and not being enclosed in brackets, this '1' in 'Ref. 1' should have the same properties as the superscripted reference. In particular, it should have the following three properties: It would also be acceptable if the reference number is enclosed in brackets (like this: Ref. [1]).
 * It should be generated automatically, from the supplied reference name in the wiki markup (i.e. the engine should know how to convert the name "Doe 2020" to the appropriate number);
 * It should link to the correct entry in the list of citations.
 * It should show the reference when the mouse pointer hovers over it (the same tooltip behavior as the superscripted reference).

Is there any way to do this? Even after much googling, I haven't been able to find anything.

I do know that there are often workarounds. In the particular example I used above, one could write As explained by Doe, … Be that as it may, it would still be nice to know if it is possible to use ‘Ref. 1’.

Reuqr (talk) 19:15, 14 May 2020 (UTC)


 * I believe the "workaround" you describe is the preferred way of doing it here, if you even have to mention the source at all (i.e., when describing a difference among sources). You usually just summarize what the source says and cite it. —[ Alan M 1  (talk) ]— 06:03, 15 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Thank you for your answer. I realize that usually one just summarizes what the source says, and that in rare cases when sources have to be discussed, the "workaround" is preferred. Indeed, scholarly literature has the same guidelines. And yet, scholarly literature does allow for usage such as 'Ref. 1', recognizing that there do exist rare occasions when the usual and preferred ways of talking about sources result in awkward constructions. Is there really no way to at all to get 'Ref. 1' on Wikipedia? --Reuqr (talk) 12:26, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
 * A little digging found the following, using and, for creating a note, though the letter/number is manually assigned/maintained. I suggest a review of the docs and a little experimentation to see if you can make it work with existing notes/refs.
 * In the text, :
 * As explained in, ...
 * In the notes section,
 * Note that this is something of a hack, and probably relies on the template doing   to do the superscripting of the second parameter. Not sure how advisable that is. Maybe ask at WP:VPT if there is a better solution –  that's a better place for technical stuff. —[  Alan M 1  (talk) ]— 22:54, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you! Unfortunately, manual assignment and maintenance of the reference number would not be practical in larger articles (with many references) that are being actively developed by multiple editors. I will ask at WP:VPT. Again, thank you for your help! --Reuqr (talk) 23:25, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you! Unfortunately, manual assignment and maintenance of the reference number would not be practical in larger articles (with many references) that are being actively developed by multiple editors. I will ask at WP:VPT. Again, thank you for your help! --Reuqr (talk) 23:25, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

Question re: impact of edit to one of my music album credits
My name is Vin D'Onofrio and I edited my credit as the guitarist and soloist for Carly Simon's Moonlight Serenade release, for which there is a Wiki page titled Moonlight Serenade. Once I opened a Wikipedia account and made the edit, my name was highlighted and linked to a page that says I have no article in my name. I do not plan on writing an article for myself at this time. If the link to my name on the Moonlight Serenade page can bring up only the accurate musical credits I have on other Wikipedia pages ( Rod Stewart-Stardust and Chie Ayado-Goodbye Pork Pie Hat) I am fine with viewers being able to click on my name on the Moonlight Serenade page to see my other credits. If not, then I prefer to not have a link. Currently some of the references listed on the link to my name are not accurate.

For the record, I am not the actor with the same first and last name, we have different middle names.My middle initial is the letter "S". Thank you for your help.

Vin D'Onofrio Vin D&#39;Onofrio (talk) 19:44, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi, Mr. D'Onofrio, and welcome to Wikipedia and the Teahouse! There's a link for your name in that edit because of the double square brackets surrounding it (like this: ). That is the wikitext code format for a wikilink; when the page is rendered, the text within the square brackets will be rendered as a link to the wikipage with that title. Since there is no wikipage to link to, it shows up as a red link, which leads to a nonexistent page. The link can be removed by simply removing the square brackets, and in fact, I've already gone and done this for you here: . If you go to the current version of the Moonlight Serenade article, you'll see that the link is now gone. There's more detailed information on the ins and outs of wikitext on the wikitext help page, if you're curious. Thanks! Writ Keeper &#9863;&#9812; 19:55, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

Art galleries and notability
Dear people, concerning the notability-criteria - is a gallery only notable when all the artists, who are presented by it, have a wikipedia-article? I tried to read through the "business-section" of the notability-criteria, but they aren't very specific on art. Is here perhaps an admin who is busy with art and could help me to understand what it would need to write an article on a gallery? Kind regards, --Gyanda (talk) 21:19, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
 * This is an excellent question, . There have been lengthy discussions about this. Here is one. Bus stop (talk) 21:32, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Oh my god, this is lengthy. Poeh... you guys are really busy with this, very interesting to read though! Thanks for the link! LG, --Gyanda (talk) 23:13, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
 * You can read the summary to the right of that long discussion, but the gist is that consensus leans towards having more coverage than just of various notable exhibits, in order to demonstrate a gallery is notable. So even if the exhibitors have articles, that's not usually enough for the exhibiting gallery to meet notability guidelines. <b style="color:#7F007F">TimTempleton</b> <sup style="color:#800080">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  23:15, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes, that's what i got from reading. Nothing is easy on Wikipedia... Thanks for your answer! Kind regards, --Gyanda (talk) 00:32, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Great work you've done, . I very much like all of the articles you've worked on or created, or at least the ones that I have looked at. I hope you keep up the excellent work. Please contact me if I can be of any help concerning the English Wikipedia. I may know very little about the English Wikipedia, but I will try. Bus stop (talk) 01:02, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your kind words, Bus stop! Kind regards, --Gyanda (talk) 11:14, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

Citing press release agencies
While adding references to Krampouz, I cited a press release hosted on a third party press release agency, then I later found the same press release hosted on the original publisher's website. Is it OK to link to Business Wire and other press release agencies when citing a press release? If so, is it better to link to the same press release on the publisher's site? codl (talk) 22:00, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
 * You don't want to ever use a press release as a source, no matter where they sit. Companies pay to release them, with no editorial oversight, so the info is not always reliable. Please see WP:RS for better sourcing. <b style="color:#7F007F">TimTempleton</b> <sup style="color:#800080">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  23:10, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Ah. Then, why does cite press release exist? codl (talk) 23:22, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
 * That is not Correct, . Press releases can be cited under the limits of WP:ABOUTSELF. They cannot, however, be used to establish notability and no article should be entirely or largely based on such sources.
 * y0ou can use agency to indicate the agency through which a PR has been distributed. There is no particular advantage in going directly to the version on the company's own site, unless the content is different, which is unusual, Press releases can be used to cite specific facts about the company, but not to support the whole article nor to establish notability, nor for controversial or clearly self-serving statements. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 23:41, 14 May 2020 (UTC) DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 23:42, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I see, that makes sense. Thanks! codl (talk) 00:05, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I guess you can teach an old dog new tricks. Thanks for letting me know. I’ve been making a habit of removing all the press releases I see in articles. <b style="color:#7F007F">TimTempleton</b> <sup style="color:#800080">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  05:48, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

Need Help Meeting Notability Guidelines
Hello! I am a new Wikipedia user and am trying to get my first article approved. My first attempt was declined because it failed to meet notability guidelines. I was wondering if someone with more experience could take a look at the article (Draft:Adam Schleifer) and try to let me know where it came up short of meeting the guidelines and if it worth continuing to pursue this article. Thanks! Sshallam (talk) 22:13, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. It seems that Mr. Schleifer does not meet the Wikipedia definition of a notable politician, as merely seeking public office is insufficient. If he wins the election, he would merit an article as a member of a national legislature(the House). He also does not seem to meet the more general definition of a notable person. If he does, you need independent reliable sources with significant coverage of him.
 * Some of your sources seem to be interviews with Mr. Schleifer, those would be a primary source and not acceptable for establishing notability. Wikipedia articles should only summarize what others say about him. I'd also suggest that discussing Montel Williams is unnecessary, as he was only a paid spokesperson for the company Mr. Schleifer worked against. That's called coatracking. 331dot (talk) 22:20, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I made some minor formatting edits, but it is still WP:TOOSOON. There may be more, but the only unelected candidate I've seen on Wikipedia with an article is Gina Ortiz Jones, but she lost and is running again - and the additional coverage she garnered barely meets the threshold, per consensus. Your best bet is to not resubmit unless he wins the election, or has a similar level of additional coverage as Ms. Jones. <b style="color:#7F007F">TimTempleton</b> <sup style="color:#800080">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  23:36, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

How to edit
How do I edit Wikipedia articles? 47.18.47.43 (talk) 22:45, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse, IP editor. You can edit pages by clicking on the edit/edit source links at the top of articles. If you're new to editing, perhaps you would like to try WP:TWA, an interactive tutorial to learning how to use the site. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 23:06, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Check out The Wikipedia Adventure <b style="color:#7F007F">TimTempleton</b> <sup style="color:#800080">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  23:07, 14 May 2020 (UTC)
 * You might also enjoy the tutorial at Help:Introduction. GoingBatty (talk) 02:38, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

Submission is about a company or organization not yet shown to meet notability guidelines
Hi

I recently added an article about our Association and had the headline supplied as the reason for denial, I could really do with some assistance as a community organisation it would be advantageous to be able to be found and verified BACDAI (talk) 23:37, 14 May 2020 (UTC)


 * hello, . I presume this is about Draft:Bus Coach Drivers Wikipedia articles are not for an organization . Wikipedia has articles about notable topics, including organizations. See our guideline on the notability of organizations. Notability is normally demonstrated by citing multiple independent published reliable sources The draft currently does not cite any independent sources. You should have at least three or four, different from each other, each ofm which discuses the organization nin some detail. Directory entries will not do, nor, will blogs or other personal sites. Nor will one-sentence mentions in news stories.
 * Also the current draft is quite promotional. and that will not do. Phrases such as sound like an organizational flyer. A Wikipedia article must be neutral stating verifiable facts but not praising or attacking the group.
 * Also if you are associated with the group, yo0u have a conflict of interest and should declare it. If you are being paid in any way to write the article, or are expected to do as as part,of your job, you are a paid editor and must disclose this as described at that page, DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 00:57, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse. Aside from the layout (which is the least of your worries right now), are there any other sources not connected to your organisation that you can cite? You also say it would be advantageous to be able to be found and verified. You should know that Wikipedia is not a site for promotion (and will most likely get your account blocked) and that other venues like Instagram may better suit your needs. Also, you must declare your conflict of interest in regards to the subject. You may do so by following the steps shown here. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 00:59, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

Fair Use of a Newspaper front
Hi friends, I am pretty new to editing Wikipedia. I have started to fix up and fill in all the history of The Daily Collegian a student newspaper. The thumbnail image for our paper is a super old front page from 2008. It has the incorrect logo as well as a completely different style than we publish with today.

I uploaded a new front and it is tagged for deletion, which is fair. But I was reading through the Non-free_use_rationale_guideline and felt like a front page could be use as fair use? Please let me know if I am wrong but here are some of the reasons why I think it may fit the exception.

What proportion of the copyrighted work is used and to what degree does it compete with the copyright holder's usage? For example, if the image is a photograph or logo, the entire work is likely being used. A screenshot that reveals the most important discovery of a documentary or the ending of a movie, for example, though a very small portion of the work, may disproportionately compete with the copyright holder's use. In the case of a music sample, the length should be no longer than 10 percent of the song's original length or 30 seconds, whichever is shorter.


 * This is just a snip of the front page, not the entire copy of the paper. they publish all of our copies for free online so I don't see it competing with the copyright holder.

If applicable, has the resolution been reduced from the original? In the case of music samples, has the quality been reduced from the original? What purpose does the image serve in the article? If applicable: Is the image a logo, photograph, or box art for the main subject of the article? Is the image being used as the primary means of visual identification of the subject or topic? (e.g., a corporate logo or the box art of a DVD)


 * Visual identification of the subject or topic.

Does it illustrate the topic of the article? (e.g., a screen shot from a movie) Is it used for commentary on a particular topic? How?


 * Yes, it is a better representation of what the actual product looks like than what is currently housed there.

Why the subject can't be adequately conveyed by properly sourced text or using free content media. If, for example, an image is a screenshot of a movie that is used for an article about the movie, or a corporate logo, there is obviously no such thing as a "free" version of it – all of the resources in the world could not produce one. If, on the other hand, the image is a photograph, the image is more easily replaced, even if Wikipedians may lack the resources to create a replacement.


 * There is obviously no such thing as a "free" version of it – all of the resources in the world could not produce one.

Any other information necessary to assist others in determining whether the use of this copyrighted work qualifies for fair use.


 * It's being used in an educational way?

Thanks for the help! NoahRiffe (talk) 00:59, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
 * It appears that the image is at File:The_Daily_Collegian_Front_Page_Jan_16.jpg on Wikipedia and at Commons:File:The_Daily_Collegian_Front_Page.jpg on Wikimedia Commons. The image is tagged for deletion on Commons because they only host free-use images. However, files can be used on Wikipedia under a fair-use license, like File:NewYorkTimesFrontPage-15Nov2012.jpg. Hope this helps! GoingBatty (talk) 02:47, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

What level of separation do you need for acceptable sources?
Hello, I am trying to refurbish the Balboa (dance) page, since 90% of its content has been removed for not having sources. However, most of the information I've found online and in books seems to be published by Balboa dance instructors, dancers, or festival organizers. Where is the line on the "independent of the subject" in this case, since people with the most knowledge and research about a dance generally tend to be those that are involved with the dance in some way? For example, could these things be acceptable references:

https://books.google.ca/books?id=FQjS91tFgh4C&vq=balboa&dq=balboa+swing&lr=&source=gbs_navlinks_s A book about swing dancing authored by dance studio owners.

https://swungover.wordpress.com/ A blog run by a professional Balboa dance instructor.

https://www.retrorhythm.com/balboa A swing-dance history page created by Balboa dance instructors, which sometimes reference the above blog.

https://books.google.ca/books?id=lS076v-E-dYC&dq=balboa+salsa&source=gbs_navlinks_s A book written by a dance instructor, which includes some references to websites written by other dance instructors. Eric.c.zhang (talk) 01:24, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

https://books.google.ca/books?id=lS076v-E-dYC&dq=balboa+salsa&source=gbs_navlinks_s That covers your question. For anything else contact me on my talk page! Wale18 (talk) 01:43, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

Nude Photos on Wikipedia
So when editing the Sexual Intercourse Page can you put pictures of nude people having Sex "Fake Sex" or illustrated pictures? Can you put nude photos on Wikipedia, for pages that go with it? Wale18 (talk) 01:39, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
 * , technically Wikipedia is WP:NOTCENSORED so in general it should be fine. Nevertheless here are a few points:
 * if it depicts real people, you may want their consent.
 * if they are cartoon or fictitious characters "having intercourse" then you may want to check Sex position or related articles to see if what you need is accurately described.
 * in general, for contentious topics, it is better for others to have a look first.
 * if your picture is deemed to be in "good taste" (no scenes of excessive encyclopedic content), you may want to request that your photo be blacklisted (so it is not used inappropriately)
 * artworks are usually better than self-drawn pictures.
 * You still would have to comply with WP:Image use policy. Image uploading is pretty complicated on its own.
 * For more assistance you may reach out to the appropriate WikiProject, WikiProject Sexology and sexuality or the talk page of the page in question, Talk:Sexual intercourse. You may get more help from there.


 * Cheers, Eumat114 formerly TLOM (Message) 02:15, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I am going to advise you very strongly against trying to add such pictures yourself. You are a new editor with not one single edit to any article as yet. You would be wholly mistaken if you imagined that you were the first person to think "hey, some photos might be nice!". So I'm pretty sure there is an established consensus there to communicate that topic in an encyclopaedic manner, but on the 'principle of least surprise'. Even before thinking about asking on the article talk page, take some time first to search through that page's archives for past discussions about it. Just because we have WP:NOTCENSORED doesn't mean an editor can add whatever images they want to, or against some previously established consensus. Commons is sadly full of really valueless sex-related images that people have uploaded there, as well as a handful of reasonably good ones. If they've not already been deployed in the last 15 years or so, it's unlikely you will suddenly be able to change that after 42 edits. My advice is to gain experience by working on less potentially contentious articles that really do need improving. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 08:44, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

Draft disappeared
I signed up for a Wikipedia account. I created a draft entitled, Anthony Radetic. Draft: Anthony Radetic I even included an inbox. I cannot find the draft. Lipav123 (talk) 02:52, 15 May 2020 (UTC) Lipav123 (talk) 02:52, 15 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Hello and welcome to, the Teahouse and to Wikipedia. as for your draft, I think yu never saved it. You have made exactly foiur edits to Wkipedia from this account: Two to  Draft:Sandbox, One here to the Teahouse, and a very similar one to the Help desk. You could have made the edit under a different account, or while not logged in, but no one, under any account, had ever saved even one edit to Draft: Anthony Radetic. It is possible that the draft is still sitting in a browser session, unsaved. But if no0t, I think it is gone, and yu would need to recreate it. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 03:53, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
 * - I assume that you intended to ping Lipav123 rather than ? --David Biddulph (talk) 08:47, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes, thank you, . I think I should have stopped editing half an hour earlier. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 12:08, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

I am new and wanted to create the Anthony Radetic draft under my username user:Lipav123. I see there is a draft now but I am not sure if it is under Sandbox or Lipav123. I also do not see how to save the draft for future edits. I appreciate your assistance. Lipav123 (talk) 15:58, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

Handling place of birth in BLP articles
Not a newbie, but this seems like the place to get a fast answer. For BLPs, what is the proper way to state place of birth and/or death, where available? I have looked at WP:MOS and camnot find a specific page. For example, is "Mister X (born 1980, Ste-Émélie de l'Énergie)" good, or is "Mister X (born 1980 in Ste-Émélie de l'Énergie)" better? If there is a guideline I have missed, thanks in advance for pointing me to it.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 03:27, 15 May 2020 (UTC)


 * See MOS:BIRTHDATE and MOS:DATERANGE. Hillelfrei   talk   03:38, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
 * thanks, I have looked at both of those items many times but they do not explain the proper way to state the place of birth and/or death.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 03:42, 15 May 2020 (UTC)


 * As far as place of birth or death, that isn't written next to the name the same way the birth or death date is. It goes in the infobox. See Michael Jackson for example. Hillelfrei   talk   03:46, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks. What would you say to articles without infoboxes?ThatMontrealIP (talk) 03:48, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
 * You can add it whenever appropriate. If there is a "biography" or "personal life" or evevn "edfucation" section, it would be at the end of the section, something like "Smith died in 2000 in New York City" with the appropriate citation. If no such sections exists, which is common in stubs, it can be at the end of the lead in the same type of format. Hillelfrei   talk   03:52, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
 * In general, an info box should summarize information also present in the prose of the article. A place of birth can appear in the lead section, and/or in a section such as "Early life" or "Biography".   DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 15:37, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I've now realized what had me entirely confused. One of the examples used in MOS:BIRTHDATE is (Gro Harlem Brundtland (... born Gro Harlem; 20 April 1939) is a Norwegian politician ...}. I was reading Gro Harlem as a sort of Dutch (?) Harlem, as it sounds like a placename, and therefore thinking birthplace went in the date range. When I get around to it I will suggest changing that example to not sound like a placename.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 01:02, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

Verify Sources
Can someone please tell me how to edit a page in plain simple terms. I have been asked by Paul Thompson of the band Roxy Music to edit his Wikipedia page. I do the band's website www.VivaRoxyMusic.com (which is already on the links on Paul's Wikipedia page.) The information regarding Paul's military career is on the website, a reliable source and whose web master (myself) is employed by the band as a historian and credited on record sleeves and other projects.

Can someone help me before I get blocked for doing something completely above board and accurate.John O&#39;Brien 1965 (talk) 13:18, 12 May 2020 (UTC) John O&#39;Brien 1965 (talk) 13:18, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
 * well, we're probbably start of with WP:PAID, which is a Terms of Use requirement. Secondly, I unfortunally have to inform you that the subject's own website is never a reliable source, see WP:SELFCITE. Victor Schmidt (talk) 13:32, 12 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Hello, . The first thing is you are celarly a paid editor here, so you must before you start editing make a disclosure in accodance with the policy WP:PAID. I strongly suggest that you do this with the template paid. You must write your changes in strict accord with WP:NPOV and be particularly careful with your sourcing, avoid sourcing much of anything to, the band, its members, its web site, or the publishers or sellers of its music. Present your changes as edit requests on the talk page of the existing article, using the request edit template. Please express yo0ur suggested changes clearly in "From X to Y" format, and please provide reliable sources that support the request, preferably ones available online. Please understand that well-sourced content will not be removed jsut because the band dislikes it, and poorly source content will not be addewd. Please do not edit mthe article directly except to fix obvious vandalism. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 13:30, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
 * By the way it is not the case that . Se indeed WP:SELFCITE. (which says: ), but more significantly WP:ABOUTSELF which says:  followed by a list of criteria which must be adhered to when using such sources. However an article must not be solely or largely supported by such sores, and they are not appropriate for controversial claims.

I have a question....or two.....or maybe three heh heh
Question #1. Ok, I know that I need more reliable sources and things like that but what else is wrong with Unfamiliar by Haley Mewsome?? Question #2. Can you suggest someone to be a Host? *This is not me* (I know this is a silly question but I had to ask) Question 3. Is a sandbox private, or can anyone see it??

Thanks, Dani Hart (Talk) 13:23, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
 * hello again,
 * The main problem at present is with sources. Of your three currently cited sources, the first is to the comic itself and so not Independent. The TV Tropes article is independent, but does not give much depth of coverage. And goodreads is generally a combination of author/publisher provided blurbs, and user-provided content, and so is not considered reliable, and should not be used at all. Related to this, the description is currently very brief, mostly plot, but then there is no more to be gotten out of those sources. Some independent reviews by noted or professional reviewers would be nice.
 * I am willing to work with yo9u, but if you don't want me, no doubt others will.
 * A sandbox, like every page on Wikipedia, can be seen by anyone in the world. By convention, others will not change it unless you request it or at least give permission, but they cqn and will edit it in case it causes problems, and it is surely not private. Anything you want kept private should not be saved to any Wikipedia article, draft, sandbox, or other page.
 * I hope that helps. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 13:42, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Adding to that, do not copy content from a website and paste it into an article. Wikipedia does not allow copyright violations (copyright meaning that somebody or some company owns alls that stuff you see on the internet). Same applies to photographs you find on internet. Wikipedia Commons has a huge collection of images that are copyright-free. But like others who have offered to guide you, I also advise learning how to edit existing articles before attempting to create a new article. I've been here ten years and have yet to create an article. Instead, I work to improve existing articles. David notMD (talk) 13:50, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

Help with announcing I am a paid contributor
Hi,

I hope you are all well. I have made amendments to announce that I paid contributor for a client on my user page and talk page. Is there anything I am missing? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks

Loisspencertracey (talk) 11:37, 11 May 2020 (UTC) Loisspencertracey (talk) 11:37, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
 * , no, not it all. On your userpage, please use the template to disclose employer, client and affected article for each such article you edit, as instructed at WP:PAID. Please review the documentation at Template:Paid for how to do it right. Regards! Usedtobecool ☎️ 12:33, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I should also add that for each person whose article you attempt to edit, you should include their individual names in your declaration, not just the name of any intermediate agency. I'm sure you know that only content sourced to independent, reliably published sources may be added, and no attempt should be made to remove properly sourced content that you or your client happens not to like (unless, of course, it contravenes our WP:BLP policy). As a general principle we expect anyone undertaking paid editing here to invest the time and effort themselves to learn how we operate, rather than expect our volunteers to hand-hold and guide them through every step of the editing. I'm sure you can appreciate why, though you have approached this in the best way - thank you. Do, of course, read WP:NARTIST to satisfy yourself that Lhouette (Ciaron Robinson) is likely to meet our notability criteria, or you could simply be wasting your time and his money in trying to promote him here. Nick Moyes (talk) 13:32, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for your help! ☎️

I have amended my talk and user pages again - Can you let me know if it is correct - I just want it to be right before I start my new page.

Many thanks!

Loisspencertracey (talk) 13:17, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

Thanks Nick! I will have a look at the Nartist page and also add in Lhouette into my declaration. I appreciate the help. Loisspencertracey (talk) 13:50, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I guess that will do for now, though once you start your draft, please include a wikilink to it from that declaration. Nick Moyes (talk) 14:43, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

editing
how do you change the font of the text Sumdogg3492 (talk) 14:36, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse. I am assuming that you are referring to changing text by emboldening or italicising it. You can find more information about it here, though I will caution you that there are restrictions as to when to use them, which are also listed on that page. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 )  15:03, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

New article Notability
Hello! Apologies in advance if this is the wrong place for this, feel free to redirect. I've been collecting sources for a new article I'd like to write, and I'd like a second opinion on whether they establish notability before I start. I've looked through WP:CORP and feel like I'm close, but I'm second guessing a bit. The topic is Citizens trust Bank, a black-owned bank in Atlanta. Here are my sources:


 * New Georgia Encyclopedia This one seems solid
 * Business History Review a journal article about the founder and his impact on black business of the time. It's reputable, but it's not directly about the bank
 * Encyclopedia of African American Business another bio of the founder
 * Encyclopedia of African American Business bio of the president in the 70s/80s also speaks to the standing of the bank in the community
 * AJC a recent write up in the paper; I've read that things like this based on interviews may not be good enough, but there's also some background in there
 * Atl Buisness chronicle similar to above

I think those are the main ones. I think the things that make it notable are largely early in its history; one of the first black-owned banks in the city, first black-owned bank to join the FDIC, etc. But I'm not sure if these sources bear that out yet. Maybe I'd be better off starting with an article about the founder. Any feedback appreciated. ThunderBacon (talk) 11:19, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Hello, and welcome to the Teahouse. I think you will be OK. Of those sources:
 * I agree that the New Georgia Encyclopedia article is sold and contributes well to notability
 * The Business History Review article is behind a paywall, and i can see only a 1 page preview. That has only a one-sentence passing mention ofm the bank, Unless there is significantly more in the part I can't see, this is not worth including.
 * The Encyclopedia of African American Business seems to have some useful content, although the articles are much more about the founder and the later president than about the Bank.
 * The AJC article is not just an interview, it has lots of comment in the paper's voice, and should fully count for notability
 * The Atl Buisness Chronicle article similarly has more than just an interview, and should count towards notability.
 * I would advise that you go ahead. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 13:18, 12 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Hello, Thanks for your help! The second article actually does have a fair amount of material further in, but does the paywall make it a bad source for Wikipedia? ThunderBacon (talk) 14:20, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
 * No, policy explicitly permits sources that are not free of charge, it just makes reviewing a bit harder. See WP:PAYWALL. Please use url-access to indicate that a subscription is required, and consider using quote to reproduce the most relevant quote from the article. That helps. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 15:28, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
 * JSTOR being behind a paywall does not make it a bad source for Wikipedia. People can get access through their local library or at JSTOR.  You can also format the reference so readers could find the original journal as well.  GoingBatty (talk) 15:31, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

I have another question
I don't want to keep working on Unfamiliar by Haley Mewsome. I do want my sandbox back because I like to experiment in there. I am not allowed to move the page back, but I want to have a sandbox! Does anyone know how to help me?? Thanks and happy editing, Dani Hart (Talk) 15:10, 12 May 2020 (UTC) Dani Hart (Talk) 15:10, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Your sandbox is here User:DaniHart08/sandbox. Theroadislong (talk) 15:13, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
 * and in future if you have done something in your sandbox about "Topic" and want to save it in another page but it is not ready for the main article space, you can create User:DaniHart08/Topic or Draft:Topic and copy the text there, or move the content there, and then edit the sandbox to remove the redirect that the move will have created, . You may also start work on a possible article in such a draft or userspace draft page without using the sandbox, if you so choose. The difference is that putting content in a draft implicitly invites anyone to help work on it, where a userspace draft does not, or not as much. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 15:45, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

Uploading/Viewing Files
Hello! I was trying to create a userbox template the other day, and needed to upload a small image for it. But I realized I didn't know the site's policy on uploading files. So, I have two questions- One, what are the specifics/restrictions for file sources? Should I only use files/images from WikiCommons? And two, am I even allowed to upload files for this kind of thing? I don't want to get into any trouble. Frostedchicharrones (talk) 15:52, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Hello,, and welcome to the Teahouse. Images (and other files) which are in the public domain, or have been released under a free license such as CC-BY or CC-BY-SA should normally be uploaded to commons, not to en.Wikipedia, so that people can use them on any Wikimedia site. Folow commons policy on that -- commons does not accept "fair use" or other unfree files. Wikipedia articles can use unfree images under a claim of fair use, if the proper criteria are all met. But templates, such as user boxes, and anything to be displayed in user space or anywhere but in an article, cannot use fair use images, so use oinly PD or freely licensed images, preferably from commons. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 16:16, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Ah, okay! That makes sense. Thanks for all the help! Frostedchicharrones (talk) 16:20, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

Confused about infobox which shows more info than exists in the code
Hi all. On the Esperanto language page about Lesotho, the country infobox shows information like capital city, official languages, etc., but when you view the code, the only fields filled out for the country infobox ("informkesto lando") is Name in local language ("nomenlokalingvo") and Esperanto name ("eonomo").

I'm confused about how this works... where is the infobox getting the data from? Gaodifan (talk) 09:23, 12 May 2020 (UTC)


 * This Teahouse is for asking questions about the English language Wikipedia. If you have questions about the Esperanto Wikipedia you need to ask there. --David Biddulph (talk) 09:49, 12 May 2020 (UTC)


 * ... but at a guess,, that information is taken from the Wikidata entry d:Q1013, which is available to all Wikipedias and other Wikimedia projects. --ColinFine (talk) 10:25, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
 * David and Colin are both right. Another guess is that the main Infobox there would include other templates (indicated by double curly brackets - – ) which themselves contain content which is then being displayed within the Infobox. This means content that we might wish to see displayed in multiple articles needs only to be maintained in one place. This is a neat solution, and often applies to really major topics like countries and politics. I hope one of these guesses might get you closer to  you understanding what's going on. Nick Moyes (talk) 10:29, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
 * If you edit the page with English as interface language in preferences then near the bottom of the window says "Wikidata entities used in this page" after a triangle. If the triangle points right then click it to expand a list saying:
 * Lesotho: Other (Statements), Sitelink, Statement: P935, Statement: P225, Title, Statement: P41, Statement: P94, Statement: P85, Statement: P36, Statement: P37, Statement: P2936, Statement: P1082, Statement: P421, Statement: P78, Statement: P298, Statement: P474, Statement: P610, Statement: P1589, Statement: P122, Statement: P35, Statement: P6, Statement: P38
 * You can also preview part of a page to see only things used in that part. All Wikidata is from the infobox. The P property numbers are not displayed on but your browser may display them in url's when you hover over links on the page. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:15, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I see. Thank you  !! --Gaodifan (talk) 16:31, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

Orphaning
I am getting a orphan message at the beginning of an article but I don't know how to fix it and the pages that explain deorphaning are a bit confusing. Here is the page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Walls_(Artists_Forum)

The page has a number of links to other pages so I am not sure what else to do. Patrick Killoran (talk) 15:39, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse. When an article is orphaned, it means that no other articles link to it. In other words, you would have to link Four Walls (Artists Forum) in other articles. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 )  15:44, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I've questioned the title at Talk:Four Walls (Artists Forum). —[ Alan M 1  (talk) ]— 00:36, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

Translating biography to English
Hello, I have translated an biography from Serbian to English, and published it. I would like to know how long it will take to get it approved. Thank you. Elserbio00 (talk) 16:01, 12 May 2020 (UTC)


 * I assume that you are talking about Draft:Branislav Nedimović? Don't forget that you need to provide attribution, see WP:Translation.  You haven't yet submitted it for AFC review;  to do so you need to add   to the top of the draft. --David Biddulph (talk) 16:10, 12 May 2020 (UTC)


 * I have edited it now, could you please check if everything is okay? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Elserbio00 (talk • contribs) 16:40, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I see you submitted the draft for review. While you're waiting for the review, you can continue working on the draft to make sure everything is supported by a reference.  Happy editing!  GoingBatty (talk) 00:43, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

Can referencing Spotify Album Information matter?
Hello, I'm trying to add discography information on Draft:Hello Ga-Young. One of the songs "For to be Strangers" had a name change to "Estranged" when it was re-released in 2015. However, the only website that is accessible right now is only a album description page on spotify. I guess the website is a neither secondary nor independent sources. Is it okay to use that website as a reference? Thank you in advance! 지금행복한가영 (talk)(Contributions) 13:10, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

I've just learned from WP:AFFILIATE that citing music-streaming sites just to confirm the album's title or length is permitted. The question seems okay to be closed! Thank You! 지금행복한가영 (talk) (contributions) 12:22, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

connemara marble
I would like to write an article about connemara marble, but currently that article is a redirect to "verds antiques", how should I go about this? thanks in advance! --Licks-rocks (talk) 15:48, 10 May 2020 (UTC) Licks-rocks (talk) 15:48, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I recommend that you create Draft:Connemara marble, and once you've got it into a state such that it's acceptable as an article, you submit it for review. If the reviewer accepts it, it'll be their job to replace the existing redirect. Maproom (talk) 16:11, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Hello, : Welcome to Wikipedia, and to the Teahouse. While it is technically possible to edit redirect into an article, I would always advised inexperienced users to use the articles for creation mechanism, whereby you create and work on a draft, and when you think it is ready for publication as part of the main encyclopaedia, you submit it for review. If the reviewer doesn't think it is ready, then they will give you some pointers to what needs changing; once a reviewer accepts it, they will sort out any issues of existing redirects, or disambiguation needed.
 * Having said that, I also advise new editors to spend some time (weeks at least, and probably months) improving existing articles, while they learn how Wikipedia works, before embarking on the very very difficult task of creating an acceptable new article. (I sometimes liken plunging straight in on a new article as trying to play a piano concerto at your first music lesson).
 * I'm guessing that you don't agree that "Connemara marble" is simply another name for Verd antique? Even so, please consider whether it calls for a separate article, rather than a new section in that article (or somewhere else).
 * Whenever you decide to go ahead with it, please make sure you start by reading your first article, and WP:referencing for beginners. Happy editing! --ColinFine (talk) 16:13, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

I do indeed not agree. some quick research has led me to the conclusion that, unlike the other entries, it is not a serpentine breccia or opicalcite. it is in fact a "true" marble. The reason I want to write this entry is because I was trying to do some research on the topic and the verts antiques article was... less than helpful. --Licks-rocks (talk) 16:23, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
 * These web sites 1 2 persuade me that Connemara marble is generally formed of serpentine, not marble. Maproom (talk) 17:06, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
 * FYI: both of those lead to a 404 error. --Licks-rocks (talk) 18:15, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
 * There was a minor formatting error in the links – they work now. --bonadea contributions talk 18:24, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
 * EDIT: got both of your links working. Both refer to the marble as being abundant in serpentine minerals, rather than it actually being [serpentinite]. A subtle difference, but an important one.--Licks-rocks (talk) 18:29, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
 * The way of linking to a Wikipedia article is, which renders as serpentinite, rather than using a full URL like  . You'll find more information at WP:Wikilinks. --David Biddulph (talk) 18:36, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
 * thank you! I'm new to the english wiki, so everything works ever so subtly different to what I am used to,—Just enough to throw me off.Licks-rocks (talk) 18:39, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi, I've seen this by chance; I happen to have done some work on the verde antica article and I too thought the Connemara marble seemed rather out of place! (I hadn't heard of it before.) I support the creation of a new article for the Irish stone, since the verd antique generally refers to products of one or two ancient Graeco-Roman quarry workings in Greece and Connemara is visibly different from them. "Serpentino" seems a fairly loose category for green stones like these in art history and archaeology and the often used label of "serpentine" doesn't seem to correspond between geology's understanding of the subject - I for one would like to know more about this area! GPinkerton (talk) 18:51, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi ! I'm glad to see such an encouraging response! I've begun writing a draft yesterday, but it may take me a while before it starts resembling something publishable.Licks-rocks (talk) 20:33, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

Update: draft submitted for revieuw, thanks for the help, everyone! It didn't end up being a very long article, and I'm not entirely happy with it yet, but it looks like an actual article now. Licks-rocks (talk) 18:51, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

how to write
how to write in centre,left and right on page, please told me so i can design page as i want KhanQadriRazvi (talk) 04:26, 12 May 2020 (UTC) KhanQadriRazvi (talk) 04:26, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
 * The Manual of Style/Layout shows that most text in an article is on the left side of the page, although you can use tables when needed - see Help:Introduction to tables with Wiki Markup. Hope this helps! GoingBatty (talk) 05:25, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
 * You have a very large amount of content on your User page - table, logos, etc. What is the purpose? Is this content for an article or details about your career? David notMD (talk) 09:05, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

No, I was trying to how write, need sources to write about others, I keep practicing writing by writing about myself--KhanQadriRazvi (talk) 04:59, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

issues with the way certain characters are displayed in google chrome
As visible in this screenshot, it seems certain characters are not displayed properly in chrome: https://i.imgur.com/5NR13kE.png

The plus sign is visible in some locations and in other locations the plus sign is partially poorly visible. I was wondering why this is. I'm viewing the page in google chrome at the default zoom level. Zooming in resolves the issue, but I reckon the page should look ok at the default zoom level. 85.148.91.183 (talk) 18:31, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Have you tried changing the way the Math extension renders? Under your Preferences, go to Appearance, scroll down to the Math section, and pick a different radio button. After saving, see if that fixes the problem. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 18:33, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

I wasn't aware of using any Math extension. Surely you don't need any extensions to view mathematical expressions on wikipedia? In the chrome Appearance settings I don't see any math section. I'm on a windows 10 computer. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.148.91.183 (talk) 00:08, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

By the way, in firefox, it looks better, though it's still curious that some plus signs are rendered crisp while others are rendered fuzzy (again at the default zoom level).

https://i.imgur.com/4x8qvLG.png
 * I am referring to the preferences for Wikipedia. Mediawiki uses the Math extension (which incorporates LaTeX) to create the appropriate subscripts, superscripts, and other formatting. You'll notice that the font type for equations differs from that of prose. You could try rendering them as .pngs to see if that fixes your problem. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 00:39, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
 * At Special:Preferences, under "Math", I have selected "MathML with SVG or PNG fallback" and the page Geometric progression renders fine for me in FFox. You need to create an account in order to set the preferences. If I go to that page in Chrome, while not logged in, it is also rendered fine though. Make sure are not changing the magnification (press control-zero), though that doesn't break the rendering for me either. —[ Alan M 1  (talk) ]— 04:18, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

I don't have an account at wikipedia, but I reckon the math should also render ok for people who are just casually consulting wikipedia without having an account. I did pay attention to the zoom settings to ensure they are at 100% since I know that bigger or smaller zoomlevels can create issues with properly displaying the page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.148.91.183 (talk) 09:36, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
 * As I said, using Chrome on Win10 on a 1920x1080 17" laptop while logged out (i.e., as though I had no account), it renders fine for me. What display size and resolution are you using? Might it be something in your display settings? Is your Chrome up to date (I'm at 81.0.4044.138)? Do you have another browser you can try? You might want to mention this at WP:VPT, which is for technical issues like this. —[ Alan M 1  (talk) ]— 07:08, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

Owned Image targeted for deletion
Hello! I uploaded a personally owned image and it has been targeted for deletion. I thought I made the necessary copyright claims on the image's file page. Apparently I didn't do enough. It is File:General H.H. Arnold High School Crest.png. I appreciate any guidance. Thank you! Major Major 26 (talk) 03:32, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
 * On File:General H.H. Arnold High School Crest.png, in the red box it says "Reason for the nomination: COM:DW of tile mosaic". It's common for Wikipedians to add links with cryptic abbreviations. Click that link and it will explain that the photo was nominated for being a derivative work. GoingBatty (talk) 03:55, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
 * When you use the "Ask a question" button on this page, you don't need to do anything to sign it – it's automatic. If you edit an existing section, simply end your post with   (don't type your name after or before). It's a good idea to use the Preview function to see what your post looks like before publishing it. Thanks. —[  Alan M 1  (talk) ]— 05:19, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you. How/where do we refute an image being a derivative work? The object in the image is U.S. government property, owned by the tax payer (public). It was a permanent fixture in a public/us government building, in the floor, which people walked on for more than 50 years. The building was completely demolished in 2015 and this former section of floor was not buried in a land fill only after enough concerned alumni argued that it be spared. Now the former piece of floor resides on permanent display in the new federal government building as a piece of the Department of Defense School's history, not a copyrighted work of art. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Major Major 26 (talk • contribs) 11:11, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
 * You can post your argument at c:Commons:Deletion requests/File:General H.H. Arnold High School Crest.png. It's a good idead to ping users who you want to see what you wrote so they get a notification (unless it's on their talk page, in which case they are notified anyway). For example, on that Commons page, you'll want to start your posting with  since elcobbola is the user that proposed deletion. (A lot of editors are busy enough to where we won't necessarily see something new in a thread if you don't ping us, which is why it took me a while to respond here –  I just noticed your response.) —[  Alan M 1  (talk) ]— 07:26, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

What's the wisdom behind writing Retrieved in any article
How can my article be received ? Can I use books from Amazon as a reference. For example the biography my self, can I use books that I'm their author as a reference? Abbas Kwarbai (talk) 04:53, 17 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Welcome back,.
 * Books from established publishers can usually be used as references but not books from vanity or self-publishing outfits.
 * When you are editing Wikipedia, you should not be citing your own works, at least not through direct edits. You can make an edit request on the talk page of an article where you think citing a work of yours would be helpful, but let an uninvolved editor make the decision. We're working towards an encyclopedia that does not involve self-promotion or self-dealing on edits, as much as possible.  — jmcgnh (talk) (contribs) 05:17, 17 May 2020 (UTC)

Please how many days or hours does it take to publish article/information/biography/ history in Wikipedia.
Please I want to know how many days does it take get confirmation of one's article publish in Wikipedia. How did the reference reviewed please. Abbas Kwarbai (talk) 04:00, 17 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Welcome back to the Teahouse! When you submit a draft article, it could be several weeks before it is reviewed and you receive feedback. For more information, see Drafts. GoingBatty (talk) 04:35, 17 May 2020 (UTC)
 * When discussing articles, please provide a link so others can better assist you. If this and your other question below are regarding Draft:Tyler L. Adam, please see your talk page at User talk:Abbas Kwarbai. The draft was deleted because it appears to have been copied directly from another site in violation of copyright laws. —[ Alan M 1  (talk) ]— 06:56, 17 May 2020 (UTC)

Draft getting rejected again and again
Can someone look at this draft which I have edited again and let me know why it gets rejected ?

Hello Sir, hope you're all doing well. My question is I am trying to make a page for an Indian Cinematographer, but the draft get reject again and again, Can someone help me out with this draft please? I'm new to wikipedia edits. Thank you so much. Here is the draft: Draft:Vishnu Sarma -- Kjsarat (talk) 07:40, 17 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Have you read the detailed messages left for you, most recently at User talk:Kjsarat? Have you read the pages that are linked (blue-colored) in them? Do you have specific questions about how your article relates to those guidelines? Writing a Wikipedia article is one of the hardest things you can do here. I can't imagine trying to do it without having gained a lot of experience making improvements to existing articles. —[ Alan M 1  (talk) ]— 07:52, 17 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Your draft has been declined (not rejected) twice. The reviewer left notes and links to guidelines. After the last decline, you have not made any major improvements to the draft. I see the problem as that your references are only very, very short mentions of Sarma being a cinematographer, and thus do not establish his notability vis-a-vis Wikipedia's criteria. David notMD (talk) 09:11, 17 May 2020 (UTC)

Images with incorrect copyright attribution
I've found images in an article I'm editing that do not have the correct copyright tag. What are the rules about reuploading these images with the relevant tag? Robbiegibbons (talk) 11:19, 17 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi Robbiegibbons - maybe this may be of use for you Image_use_policy#Copyright_and_licensing. CommanderWaterford (talk) 11:26, 17 May 2020 (UTC)

Userboxes
Hi,

I'm trying to make a userbox. I have edited WP before, but I only made this account a couple days ago. I understand that you have to make a page in a User namespace (either yours or UBX's) to put the userbox in but because I'm not autoconfirmed yet, I don't have page creation rights. Due to this, I submitted a draft for review from my sandbox to be published under the title 'User:UBX/CGPGreyCatan' but it got declined saying that it was blank but it does has a userbox on the page. Have I done something wrong, or is my sandbox just not working?

Thanks in advance for the help, Giraffer (talk) 10:19, 17 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi Giraffer, welcome to the Teahouse. You used a process for submitting articles. There is no article on User:Giraffer/sandbox so it was treated as a blank submission. Page creation is limited by namespace. I think you can create User:UBX/CGPGreyCatan directly. Otherwise you will be autoconfirmed in two days. "This user is still waiting for the Settlers of Catan video..." is cryptic and sounds like a possible error when no such thing is mentioned in the link target. A Google search shows a connection but few readers will get it. If you don't want others to use the userbox then you can place the code directly on User:Giraffer. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:32, 17 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Thanks. I think I'll wait until I'm autoconfirmed to manually create it and then I'll get rid of the link to the article. Giraffer (talk) 11:36, 17 May 2020 (UTC)

My draft


My article is in the draft how the article will publish like how many days it gonna takes time for publish Abhi.rajesh (talk) 14:05, 17 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Hello, . You have not submitted your draft for review, so it will never be published until you do. However, there is no point in submitting it, because it has no chance of being accepted. You have headed it "profile", and that is exactly the problem: it is written in promotional language appropriate to a profile. But Wikipedia does not contain profiles: not one. It is an encyclopaedia, and its articles are neutrally written summaries of what independent published sources have said about notable topics: nothing else. Promotion of any kind is forbidden on Wikipedia, and writing about yourself is strongly discouraged. If you are or become notable (in Wikipedia's special sense of the word), then somebody will eventually write an article about you. It will not be your article, you will have no control over it, and it will not necessarily say what you would want it to say: your role in it will be limited to makeing suggestions for edits.
 * If you want to help us improve Wikipedia, you are most welcome; but I advise you to give up the idea of writing a new article for some time - until you understand how Wikipedia works. When you think you are ready to create a new article (preferably not one about yourself), please study Your first article carefully, as well as the other links I have given above. But creating a new article, even where you don't have a conflict of interest is very difficult, and you are likely to have a frustrating and disappointing time if you do so at present. --ColinFine (talk) 15:00, 17 May 2020 (UTC)

Lparrty?
2600:1700:3542:A30:ED21:6433:F1EB:BC22 (talk) 15:31, 17 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse, IP. What is your question? Hillelfrei   talk   15:42, 17 May 2020 (UTC)

Writing a new article about a renowned nuclear engineer from USSR
Hello, I am new to Wikipedia, but I would like to add an article about Viktor Dmitriev - a nuclear engineer from USSR whose work was key in discovering the cause of the Chernobyl disaster. He is deceased, so it would not be an article about a living person. I have read the guidelines on notability and I will wait until I get more experience editing articles. However, in the meantime, could you please advise on the best way for me to get started? Thank you very much in advance. AnnaBu1985 (talk) 16:55, 17 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse! When you're ready to start an article about Dmitriev, I suggest going through the procedure over at WP:YFA; there is an article creation wizard that will help you create a draft. In the meantime I suggest looking for reliable sources on Dmitriev to build up a good foundation for when you're ready. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 17:03, 17 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Hello, and welcome. Writing an articled from a blank start is one of the harder tasks on Wikipedia. Below are some steps that, when followed carefully, often lead to success. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 17:12, 17 May 2020 (UTC)


 * First, review our guideline on notability, our policy on Verifiability, and our specific guideline on the notability of people. Consider whether your <span title="The subject is the person, business, organization or thing that the article will be about."> subject clearly meets the standards listed there. Also, check if the topic is already covered, perhaps under a different spelling or in a section of an article about a wider topic. You will waste a lot of time, if you create a new article, and then find that the encyclopedia already has an article about that.
 * Second, read how to create Your First Article and referencing for beginners and again consider if you want to go ahead.
 * Third,  This is absolutely required; omitting it can result in you being blocked from further editing. 
 * Fourth, gather sources. You want independent, professionally published, reliable sources with each discussing the subject in some detail. If you can't find several such sources, stop; an article will not be created! Sources do NOT need to be online, or in English, although it is helpful if at least some are. The "independent" part is vital. Wikipedia does not consider as independent sources such as press releases, or news stories based on press releases, or anything published by the subject itself or an affiliate of the subject. Strictly local coverage is also not preferred. Regional or national newspapers or magazines, books published by mainstream publishers (not self-published), or scholarly journals are usually good. So are online equivalents of these. (Additional sources may verify particular statements but not discuss the subject in detail. But those significant detailed sources are needed first.)
 * Fifth, use the article wizard to create a draft under the articles for creation project. This is always a good idea for an inexperienced editor, but in the case of an editor with a conflict of interest it is essential.
 * Sixth, use the sources gathered before (and other sources you may find along the way) to write the article. Cite all significant statements to sources. Do not express opinions or judgements, unless they are explicitly attributed to named people or entities, preferably in a direct quotation, and cited to a source. Do not use puffery or marketing-speak. Provide page numbers, dates, authors and titles for sources to the extent these are available. A title is always needed. Submit the draft when you think it is ready for review. Be prepared to wait a while for a review (several weeks or more).
 * Seventh, when (well perhaps if) your draft is declined, pay attention to the comments of the reviewer, and correct the draft and resubmit it. During this whole process, if you face any unresolvable editing hurdles, or cannot comprehend any editing issue, feel free to post a request and ask the regulars. Repeat this until the draft passes review.
 * Congratulations, you have now created a valid Wikipedia article. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 17:12, 17 May 2020 (UTC)

Draft procedures
I've noticed lately that a lot of drafts are being moved into the article namespace by the authors themselves. Most of the time they're not ready for prime time. When I see them, should I move them back to draft? Fuddle (talk) 16:18, 17 May 2020 (UTC)
 * hello! Hope you're well. I would say to check it as if it were a new page created in the mainspace. If it's a copyvio or obviously promotional in a way no cleanup will fix, just nominate it for speedy deletion under the right criteria. If you think it will survive AfD (articles for deletion), then leave it be. If not, I would take a look at the behavior of the page creator. If they have show understanding of notability and other guidelines, draftify; otherwise, take it to AfD. Hope that helped, Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 16:26, 17 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Note however, that no confirmed editor is ever required to use draft space. If an editor who wrote a draft wants to insist on moving that draft to mainspace, and understands the consequences of doing so, it should not usually be moved back against the drafter's wishes. In such a case maintenance tags or even an immediate AfD may be the way to go, but for an AfD one should be particularly careful to do WP:BEFORE and consider WP:ATD. . DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 17:52, 17 May 2020 (UTC)

Citing a source from non-traditional media
Hi, thanks for the invitation to tea-house. I am in the process of re-writing an article that has been poor for years. I have a question regarding adding sources from non-traditional media. Would such sources, such as online simulations, industry professional blogs, other websites, company white papers or articles on pre-print servers be best inserted in the "External Links" or "Further Reading" sections. More specifically, I have a source that is from a non-mainstream publisher, the work itself is useful so I'd like to include it, but I'm unsure about suitable methods... Many thanks. EmdFish123 (talk) 16:36, 17 May 2020 (UTC)
 * External links has lots of information on what can be linked and what should be avoided. If this doesn't have the specifics you're looking for, you can post the specific URL on the article's talk page and engage other editors in a discussion to determine consensus. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 17:22, 17 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Hello, . If these "non-traditional media" are actually being used as sources, that is, to support factual statements in the article, they should be cited and wind up in the "References" or "Notes" section. "External links" is for online sites that are not being used as sources, but have relevant information. Particularly the site for the subject, or for other people or organizations mentioned in the article. "Further reading" is for publications that were not used to hel;p write the article, and are thuse not being used as cited sources, but which might allow the reader tro learn more about the topic. Thease are often, but not always., printed publications. The question is one of function, not of medium. Cited sources do not have to me from a mainstream publisher provided that thy are reliable and support statements in the article. And if a source is not reliable, it probably does not belong in Further reading either. It might go in External links if a reader needs to understand the content of the site to understand the topic. In particular if the site is a well-known but biased one. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 17:47, 17 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Ok thank you. The source is being used as part of the article, and it is of academic quality, but is not from a publisher that seems to be acceptable by other editors. Their reasoning was cyclical in that it was from a publisher 'deemed' predetary, however that list is now out of date and the publisher does not satisfy many of the criteria that would render it predetary. Further, the status of the publisher shouldn't deminish the article itself if it is of high quality. — Preceding unsigned comment added by EmdFish123 (talk • contribs) 17:54, 17 May 2020 (UTC)

Maths
Adetolabanjo (talk) 22:13, 17 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse. Did you have a question about editing Wikipedia, perhaps in regards to math? — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 22:25, 17 May 2020 (UTC)

Barnstar
What's a barnstar? I noticed that some on some user talk pages, people receive "Barnstars". Clarification? Dragonlover21 (talk) 22:26, 17 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Barnstars are a way to recognize other Wikipedia editors for their work. There are several different types of barnstars, for various activities. For more information, please see WP:BARN. 331dot (talk) 22:32, 17 May 2020 (UTC)

Report
How do i report someone who keeps reverting my edit even though i am providing sources and at time provided the same article he posted but also one line he emitted cause he wants to create controversy by being on one side? Truthwins018 (talk) 22:26, 17 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Instead of reporting users, you should first exhaust all possibility of discussion on the article talk page. If such discussion fails to resolve the matter, you should move to dispute resolution procedures. Reporting someone else will result in your own behavior being examined as well(see WP:BOOMERANG) and it cannot be guaranteed that it would end well for you. 331dot (talk) 22:30, 17 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Also, never copy text from another site onto Wikipedia. Even if you were right, that action is wrong and worth reverting. Ian.thomson (talk) 22:50, 17 May 2020 (UTC)

Is quoting part of an article fine?Truthwins018 (talk) 23:14, 17 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes, some sourced quotations are fine - see Quotations. GoingBatty (talk) 23:25, 17 May 2020 (UTC)

Sugerencia para mejorar wikispecies
Wikispecies está muy bien; pero tiene un problema: para saber de una determinada especie, debes de conocer el nombre de esta; pero, ¿que pasa cuando encuentras un animal y no sabes como se llama?

Wikispecies debería de incluir claves dicotómicas que ayuden a localizar la especie de la que trata a la vez que ayudaría a conocer la diferencia entre especies muy similares. Por ejemplo.

Me encuentro un ave y voy a la entrada "Aves" de wikispecies. Un lugar determinado me pregunta si el ave tiene las patas palmeadas o no; supongamos que sí; entonces me enlaza con las anseriformes. Ahí me pregunta si la membrana de las patas une 3 dedos o 4; si la respuesta es 4, me enlaza con los cormoranes, y así sucesivamente hasta llegar a la especie concreta, donde puedo ver todas sus características.

Le agradecería me enviase un correo de respuesta a para saber si ha leído este comentario y que opina al respecto; pues soy nuevo aquí y no sé si podré seguir este comentario o volverlo a encontrar.

Gracias 87.125.183.232 (talk) 23:53, 17 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Esta es Wikipedia en inglés, deberías dar ese feedback en Wikispecies. --Esteban16 (talk) 00:14, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
 * By the way, this is feedback regarding Wikispecies. --Esteban16 (talk) 00:16, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

Reverting
What is reverting and how to revert? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Truthwins018 (talk • contribs)
 * A curious question, since you seemed to know what it was when you asked your last question. 331dot (talk) 00:02, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

Yes i have an idea of it cause i kept getting reverted but do not understand it fully


 * Try Reverting. -- Hoary (talk) 02:07, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

Fixing wordplay
Hello, Is it alright if I changed rather minor things like wordplay/poetic parts of a page? I have done this a couple times now because some pages really don't feel like they are interesting to read. Thank you

Tomas UrBoiDankMeme (talk) 01:55, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Here, for example, you're not using the term "wordplay" as I understand it. You're not fixing, removing, or adding wordplay. I think you're just asking about rewording. Can you reword for better effect? Yes. Can you reword for added wittiness? Wikipedia is not intended to be witty. Can you remove words that are superfluous? Yes. Can you change words from others' taste to your taste? I'd advise you to do so only after thinking hard. For example, there's nothing wrong with the word though, and changing it to although serves no purpose that I can think of (even if you spell it right). Thus I wouldn't change start to begin or vice versa; but I would change the pompous commence to one or the other of those (unless, of course, it was in a quotation). -- Hoary (talk) 02:17, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

How to label sections
Hello, I'm JazzClam, an anagram for my real name, but you can call me jazz, or clam, or anything you like really. But ever since I've been wondering how editors are supposed to label sections of an article. for example, somehow i discovered that the Cooley LLP law firm is the law firm for wikimedia is cooley, as far as i know. this is not spoken of in cooley's article, so how would i label this section? or what section would i put it in? Thanks for the help JazzClam (talk) 23:31, 17 May 2020 (UTC)
 * If you only have one sentence or even one paragraph, it might be better in the existing History section than in its own section. The best place to ask questions about an article is the article's talk page: Talk:Cooley LLP. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 02:19, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

How can I edit the wiki without getting warning?
I am trying to edit the wiki about 'K-Startup Gran Challenge,' but admins kept send me warnings. I am working for the program. Jhbang321 (talk) 02:11, 18 May 2020 (UTC)


 * If you mean that you are working for the program whose Wikipedia page you are writing about, then stop writing about it. For more detail, please read WP:COI. -- Hoary (talk) 02:20, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
 * However, you can suggest changes to K-Startup Grand Challenge on the article's corresponding talk page: Talk:K-Startup Grand Challenge, provide create your user page with a statement saying that you are working for K-Startup Grand Challenge. I added one on the talk page for you. GoingBatty (talk) 02:32, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

Question
Can You Threaten Me Max Linton (talk) 21:54, 17 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Sure thing, . I will permanently block you from editing if you ever try to post anything again like the pathetic drivel I've just had to delete from your sandbox. Grow up and go play elsewhere, please. Happy now? Nick Moyes (talk) 22:08, 17 May 2020 (UTC)
 * lol  dibbydib  boop or snoop 01:36, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I'll eat your child Le Panini (talk) 03:47, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

Delete My Thing (Wait, What?)
My family determined that I should write an article about My Dream Beside Me, a 2014 film about Mary Kay and Paul Rich. After searching through the only sources, and reading about the notability policy, it doesn't fit the criteria. How can I get this article terminated? Don't worry, I don't mind.

Le Panini (talk) 03:41, 18 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Hello, . You can request the deletion of any page where you are the sole or only significant contributor by placing  on the page, preferably at the top. Strictly speaking by posting you have granted Wikipedia a permanent right to use your contributions, even if you later change your mmind. But such a request ius almost always grahnted unless another editor or editors have/has made significant edits to the page. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 03:53, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

Also...
What's the sandbox? What does it do, and how does it work?

Le Panini (talk) 03:48, 18 May 2020 (UTC)


 * . A sandbox is a page used for making test edits, to see what they do and understand how they work. Some users a;lso use it for starting a new draft of an article. A default sandbox is available for every user. Yours, for example is at User:Le Panini/sandbox. You may create additional sandboxes such as User:Le Panini/sandbox2 and User:Le Panini/sandbox3.
 * There are also testing sandbox pages associated with some templates and a few articles. There are for trying out new versions before making edits in the primary page. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 03:58, 18 May 2020 (UTC)


 * The sandbox is a space for you to test wikitext, templates, whatever you like. You can use it as a private space to draft articles. People will leave user sandboxes alone for the most part, so long as the sandbox doesn't have copyright violations or other policy violations. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 04:00, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

How can I publish?
Destiny-Dragonets (talk) 17:50, 17 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Hello,, and welcome to the Teahouse. I guess you are talking about Draft:SeaWing tribe? They answer is that you may or may not be able to publish this draft as Wikipedia, depending on whether or not the subject meets Wikipedia's requirements for notability. Specifically, can you find three professionally published sources where people who have no connection with Sutherland (or their agents or publishers) have written at length - at least three paragraphs - about the SeaWing tribe? If you can find these three (two might do, if they are longer), then you can use them - and write the article entirely from what those sources say, not from what you know; and then pick "Submit your draft for review".
 * If you cannot find such sources, then I'm afraid the subject is not notable in Wikipedia's sense, and any further time you spend on this draft will be wasted, because it will never be accepted.
 * If you haven't yet read Your first article, I recommend you study it. --ColinFine (talk) 18:38, 17 May 2020 (UTC)
 * There is already information about these fictional dragons at Wings of Fire (novel series). Instead of writing a new article, maybe you could help improve this article with additional reliable sources. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 19:45, 17 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Please note also, that when writing about fictional topics, that is aspects or elements of a fictional work or series, one must explicitly indicate that the topic is fictional, and not write about it as if it were an actual thing in the real world. See WP:FICTION for more detail. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 04:04, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

Advice please - Copying and augmenting a Swedish Wikipedia article onto the English Wikipedia site
I was surprised to see that there is no English Wikipedia entry for the musician Hank C.Burnette (real name Sven-Åke Kenneth Högberg).

There is a Swedish Wikipedia entry which is a "stub".

I'm a fan of this musician, particularly his superb track "Spinning Rock Boogie".

I have found a Facebook page apparently written with his endorsement and his YouTube channel. So there is plenty of material to allow this entry to develop beyond a "stub".

Would it be OK to write an English Wikipedia entry for this musician and to copy what is already written on the Swedish Wikipedia page for him, and then augment it?

Or is there some way of mirroring the Swedish page into the English Wikipedia?

Many thanks for your help.... Wizzlewick (talk) 09:06, 15 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Hello,, and welcome to the Teahouse. You are welcome to try creating an article about Burnette, and to make use of the sv-wiki article as part of it (see Translation for how you must attribute this). However, you should treat this as creating a new article - which is one of the hardest tasks in editing Wikipedia. You will need to show that Burnette meets the criteria for notability - references in the Swedish version might do that, I haven't looked (English sources are preferred in en-wiki, but not required: as long as the source is reliable, and independent of the subject, it can be used). Different Wikipedias have different policies, and just because there is a sv-wiki article does not necessarily mean that he will meet the criteria for en-wiki. His own Facebook and YouTube channel are self-published sources, and cannot contribute to notability.
 * As I said, I suggest you treat this as creating a new article, in which case, please start with reading Your first article, --ColinFine (talk) 09:35, 15 May 2020 (UTC)


 * welcome to the Teahouse! ColinFine was a little quicker, but I'll post my response even though it duplicates some of what he says: Facebook and a person's YouTube channel are not considered reliable sources at English Wikipedia, I'm afraid. The Swedish Wikipedia article doesn't actually have any sources that would be acceptable for an article in English Wikipedia, and I can't find anything in a quick Google search, but that doesn't necessarily mean that he would not be considered notable. Notability is the important factor here: primarily this notability guideline, but for a musician this is also relevant. As he was signed by Blue Horizon, it is possible that the musician-specific notability guideline is met. My advice would be that you create a draft article, using the Articles for Creation process, making sure that you include reliable secondary sources for all claims in the article. If something cannot be sourced, it unfortunately cannot be included. When you have created a draft, an experienced editor can review it and see whether it meets the requirements. Hope that makes sense. Regards, --bonadea contributions talk 09:40, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

How to edit the title of a wiki page
Hi, am completely new to this so looking for some tips. Firstly, how do I change the title? There doesn't seem to be an Edit function for this? See attached url. The name is mis-spelt, should read Su, not Sui.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Lo_Sui_Yin

Secondly, I corrected the spelling within the main contents page but everything simply got reversed the next day. Did I do something wrong or is this simply someone telling me I'm wrong! If so, what is the etiquette for politely telling them that they are the ones who are wrong!

Thanks TanjungAru (talk) 10:24, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi TanjungAru, welcome to the Teahouse. There are often different ways to write foreign names in English. "Peter Lo Sui Yin" and "Peter Lo Su Yin" have around the same number of Google hits and both forms are used in references in the article. I don't know whether there are criteria to say one form is "more correct" but the article should be consistent witht the title and not break links. You changed "Peter Lo Sui Yin.jpg" to "Peter Lo Su Yin.jpg" in the image name in the infobox. The name of the image is File:Peter Lo Sui Yin.jpg so a red link was displayed instead of the image after your edit.[//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Peter_Lo_Sui_Yin&diff=955012784&oldid=954908938] The title of a page is changed by moving the page. See Moving a page. You cannot do it as a new user but there are valid reasons for both names so you shouldn't do it without discussion anyway. See Requested moves if you want the title changed. Then the spelling inside the article can also be changed. See also Article titles. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:51, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

Creative commons
Before I accidentally create a copyright violation: this means I can safely upload a picture to wikipedia, right? Licks-rocks (talk) 10:12, 15 May 2020 (UTC)


 * More than that,, you can upload it to Wikimedia Commons, so that it can be used by any Wikimedia project. It will go along with File:Moycullen - Connemara Marble Industries marble - geograph.org.uk - 1608807.jpg and two other relevant photos from Geograph which are already in Commons. --ColinFine (talk) 12:18, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
 * thank you, I will be sure to do that, then! now to figure out how ^^--Licks-rocks (talk) 12:26, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

What is te best place to learn
what is te best place on wikipedia to learn and practice on edits ? Stonertone (talk) 13:47, 15 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Sandbox, but your conversions into blue of your user page and user talk page suggest that you already know your way around Wikipedia. -- Hoary (talk) 14:13, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse. In addition to using the Sandbox, you may also want to try out The Wikipedia Adventure if you're looking for an interactive tutorial to Wikipedia itself. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 14:24, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
 * You might also enjoy the tutorial at Help:Introduction. GoingBatty (talk) 14:35, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

new user, crime and punishment (should be combined with the "new article" topic on teahouse)
Please help me i am new to english wikipedia. See Talk:Crime and Punishment DonGuess (talk) 12:38, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Hello, and welcome to the Teahouse. I see that you made a post, asking about the use of Russian in the novel at Talk:Crime and Punishment. I don't see anything obviously wrong with that post. Did you have a question about how to edit the English-language Wikipedia? DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 12:45, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

Hello,DES, thank you for the answer! Should i somehow connect my russian account to the english one? DonGuess (talk) 12:52, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
 * If you use the same account name,, the Wikimedsia softwarte connects any and all accounts on different projects that yoiu may have automatically, without you needign to take anby action. If you used a different account name, the accounts will be separate, and you should probably post a note on User:DonGuess linking to your other account, and not use both accounts here on en.Wikipedia. It is generally b etter to keep to a single account, although there can be legitimate reasons for using more than one, as long as this is properly disclosed. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 13:05, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

"Crime and Punishment". Hello I am looking for an experienced user who knows russian language
How can i find such user? I need help with Talk:Crime and Punishment. DonGuess (talk) 13:23, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse, . You find what you need at Translation or Translators available. Cheers, Nick Moyes (talk) 13:31, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

link in the Crime and Punishment article
Can i add the following reference in the External links>Criticisms section: Text about "Crime and Punishment" on "Polka" project or does it require a preliminary discussion? DonGuess (talk) 14:22, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I see you already posted this request to the Talk:Crime and Punishment page. If it meets the External links guideline (and presuming you have no conflict of interest), then you may add it without further discussion. I suggest you add "(in Russian)" after the link. If other editors disagree with your addition and remove it, this will kick off the BOLD, revert, discuss cycle. GoingBatty (talk) 14:43, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

Update to wiki page
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Brandenburg I googled ILCP and it does exist and is a good site for anyone interested in nature conservation.

I am not savvy on editing--could someone update wiki site for Jim Brandenburg? Thank you! 71.226.224.219 (talk) 15:58, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
 * The reason that organization is in red lettering in the article about Jim is because there is no article about the organization. You can de-red it by removing the double brackets at both ends of the organization's name. OR, you can create an get accepted an article about the organization, it which case it would become blue lettering. David notMD (talk) 16:24, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Hello, IP editor. As that site's front page does not directly support anything in the article, I have moved it to the External links section. I also updated the cite to the page about Jim Brandenburg becoming a Fellow of the ILCP. I don't know if the ILCP is notasble enough for a Wikipedia article on the group. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 16:28, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

You removed my contribution!
47.195.3.60 (talk) 17:08, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

How rude! Wikipedia is bad! Do not use it! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 47.195.3.60 (talk) 17:09, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
 * IP editor, your edits were not constructive to the subject. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 17:11, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

Qualifications For Published Autobiography
Is my write up qualified for Publication on the platform for public consumption? Thanks Eldgboye (talk) 17:00, 15 May 2020 (UTC)


 * welcome to the Teahouse. I have removed the biographical text you had added to your user talk page, and posted an explanation there. If you want to try your hand at writing a Wikipedia article, please read this information first. Regards, --bonadea contributions talk 17:13, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

Find signature based on user
Is there a way to find and display a user's signature based on his username? Any template? I'm asking this for my talk header. 3125A<sup style="background-color:#ADD8E6;padding:4px 5px 5px 5px">Talk!Contributions! 16:39, 15 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Hi and welcome to the Teahouse. You can find most users' signatures on their replies on their talk pages by searching "User talk:Example". I'm not sure what you mean about this being related to your talk header.  Hillelfrei   talk   17:19, 15 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Yes I know. I am learning template coding. Maybe I shouldn't put it on the talk header. 3125A<sup style="background-color:#ADD8E6;padding:4px 5px 5px 5px">Talk!Contributions! 17:21, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

could you please remove this page that was made behind my back by my ex girlfriend i would greatly appreciate it
71.225.182.229 (talk) 13:07, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Which page? We have millions and this is the only edit by your IP address. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:12, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
 * user:PrimeHunter Can't you read their mind?? McClenon mobile (talk) 17:22, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
 * The IP address geolocates to Philadelphia. gives 24,182 results. So close. Or maybe it's about this page. Darn, already deleted in 2009. I'm out of ideas. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:54, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

Seeking Alpha -- Reliable Yay or Nay?
Hi, I am preparing to start editing Wikipedia and have come across your reliable resources part. I have a question- Is Seeking Alpha ok or not? Thanks Jim --Bravo7711 (talk) 17:27, 15 May 2020 (UTC) Bravo7711 (talk) 17:27, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Hello, Welcome to the Teahouse! The Wikipedia page for it (which is not a reliable source) says it provides crowd-sourced content. If that is true, each document from it might have to judged based on who the author is, and then if the author/s turn/s out to be known expert/s in the topic of the work, it may be cited with attribution. It is difficult to give a specific yes or no, without context. Generally, a question on reliability of a source should be presented as "Is this document a reliable source for making this claim in this context in this Wikipedia article?" WP:RSN is where these are discussed. Feel free to visit that noticeboard, read the instructions at the top, and start a post there to get feedback from editors more specialised in evaluating sources. I found one previous discussion on Seeking Alpha from a quick search—Reliable_sources/Noticeboard/Archive_289. Best, Usedtobecool ☎️ 18:08, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

I need help
my little brother (actually no lie I have a little brother) keeps making edits logged out. it is logged out, as he does not know my password, but whenever he does that I need to quickly revert it. how do I stop him from making nonconstructive edits. I know it is a common excuse, but it is true. Firestar9990 (talk) 17:54, 15 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Stop him getting at a computer? No, seriously,, anybody may edit without logging in. If a particular IP address (or range of addresses) keeps doing unconstructive edits, than that address (or range) may get blocked; but short of that, there's nothing you can do except control his access. Alternatively, maybe you can get him interested in actually helping Wikipedia, especially if you can model that behaviour yourself. --ColinFine (talk) 18:19, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

thank you, colinfine you have helped me. Firestar9990 (talk) 19:11, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

Learning the ropes without getting hanged
So I'm brand new here (not a bot) and am just learning how this all works. I did make some mistakes just starting out (did I mention that I'm new here?), but the blowback was absolutely staggering. And then after only having an account for about 3 hours, someone then nominated my account for a speedy deletion. I mean wow, not very welcoming to new people who are just learning how to do this. I don't know if I was just very unlucky in my experience or if this place really is just a wild west of Reddit style trolls as well. All I'm saying is that my first few hours here were very unwelcoming. ThePoliticalAtheist (talk) 12:15, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Hello there,, and welcome to Wikipedia and to the Teahouse. Unfortunately, you've inadvertently broken one of our biggest rules - hence the blowback. Problem is, this is an encyclopaedia about 'notable' subjects, and our userpage is purely for us to say a little about ourselves and our interests in editing this encyclopaedia. What you've done is effectively create an article about yourself, in totally the wrong place, and in a way that looks to others as wholly promotional. So, we have a system whereby pages that breach our guidelines (see WP:USERPAGE can be proposed for 'speedy deletion', as yours has been.
 * Had you wanted to have written about yourself -and assuming you were notable enough to meet our notability criteria (see also WP:NBIO), then the place to have done it was at Articles for Creation, where you would create a draft article, fill it with citations to independent reliable sources that talk about you in depth and in detail, and then submit if for review. We have a guidance page (shortcut: WP:NOTWEBHOST) which explains why it might seem to you like you've trodden on a landmine with your first step. And also WP:AUTOBIOGRAPHY which explains why it is a bad idea to try to create an article about yourself here, rather than let someone else do it.
 * Having just looked at all your contributions, I can see you already created a draft article at Draft:Daniel Fisk Bennett, so having roughly the same content on your userpage is just not what we do here. I fully expect that page to be deleted very soon by a fellow administrator. But I should add there there is absolutely nothing to stop you then creating a new content which just says a few lines about you and your interests in contributing to this encyclopaedia. "Something along the lines of 'My name is Daniel Fisk, I love politics and hope to contribute in a neutral way to articles in my field of interest."
 * What you've unfortunately done today is rather equivalent to someone getting into a car for the very first time, setting off up the freeway at full speed, then wondering why you got involved in a massive car crash, with everyone running to the scene. Like learner drivers, good Wikipedia editors start off slowly and learn the rule of the road before heading into mainstream traffic. I can't teach you how to drive properly from a single post here at the Teahouse, but do have a go at The Wikipedia Adventure and maybe browse through some of the key links at Help:Getting started, and ensure you understand Notability (people), which is key to getting any article about a person into this encyclopaedia. Creating a new article from scratch is the second hardest thing anyone can do here. The hardest is trying to create one about yourself, especially if there aren't any independent, reliable sources you can use to demonstrate 'Notability'. In that case, it would be completely impossible, and LinkedIn would be a better route.
 * Hope this helps a bit, and sorry your first foray was a bit rough. Regards from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 12:45, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
 * We all have scars from our early days. Stuff heals. A very common newbie error is to think Wikipedia is social media (another is pasting in copyright protected content). David notMD (talk) 12:58, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Do note, that your account has in no way been proposed for deletion, it is only the page User:ThePoliticalAtheist that has been tagged for speedy deletion. A Wikipedia user page is primarily for describing the user as a Wikipedia editor including the user's activities, interests, and skills. It may also include views on Wikipe3dia policy or direction. It may also include limited biographical content so that others may understand the background from which you edit. It should not look like a Wikipedia article about yourself. Have a look at my user page or those of other hosts and responders you see here on the Teahosue for some examples. It is not ma "wild west" here, there are rules and guidelines, but they are somewhat complex and new users often fall afoul of them without any intention to do so. No oner thinks that you had IL-intent here, but many people do try to engage in self-promotion by building "articles" which really aren't articles about themselves on their user pages. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 13:00, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

While you are here, you should know that Facebook and YouTube are not considered citations that meet Wikipedia's criteria for notability, as they are user-contributed without professional editorial management. If you truly believe that you are article-worthy, I suggest you copy all the content you created to a place outside Wikipedia and then try to come back via Articles for Creation. David notMD (talk) 16:20, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Consistent with what others have said above, please consider the following. Before making an edit to an article on Wikipedia, which is an encyclopedia like Encyclopædia Britannica or Encarta, ask yourself what your motivation is for making the edit. If it is to add to the encyclopedic content of the article in a way that you might expect to do if you were working as an editor of one of those other encyclopedias that I mentioned, and you are correctly summarizing what is written in WP:SECONDARY reliable sources, go ahead and do it, and cite your source(s). Otherwise, consider one of the many other outlets that may welcome the content. I hope this helps. —[ Alan M 1  (talk) ]— 19:52, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

Please, show me page about using curly brackets without any keyword as hat note. I can't find this what is it.
I saw strange hat note on Viral shedding. What is it? Is it similar Template:Short description? PoetVeches (talk) 12:56, 15 May 2020 (UTC) Ah, I see, it's just Template:Influenza virus life cycle. I have no questions, just found answer myself. Excusme for bothering. PoetVeches (talk) 13:04, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi PoetVeches. I already wrote a reply with more details so here it is. Things in  are usually template calls, in this case to display Template:Influenza virus life cycle. See Help:A quick guide to templates. It's not a hatnote. Hatnotes are only one type of template. Hatnotes are often (not always) at top of an article, but many other templates can also be at the top. Template:Short description is usually placed at the top. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:10, 15 May 2020 (UTC)


 * No worries . In my view the best way to learn is to ask a good question and then answer it yourself before anyone else does! (I've just tweaked your post so that the link to the template is visible, but that the content itself doesn't display on this page.) Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 13:15, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
 * and perhaps other lurkers: Nick's edit was necessary because wrapping  in double braces (curly brackets) WP:TRANSCLUDEs the page Template:Example (i.e., replaces   with the content of Template:Example) when rendering the page. To prevent that (e.g., when discussing a template on talk page, like we're doing here), you can wrap the template page name with a template like  with the code, which renders as , providing a link to the template (usually displaying its documentation) instead of performing the transclusion. —[  Alan M 1  (talk) ]— 20:13, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

hello, I'm new. I just got an article declined. I cant't work yet in source edit. i need to go back to the wysiwyg editor. How?
Digig0th (talk) 21:33, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi Digig0th - well, it looks like you did not gave reliable sources for your article draft, have a look over here Reliable_sources and try to improve your article draft with other, more reliable sources. CommanderWaterford (talk) 21:46, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

I am wondering what topics I should do as I just joined Wikipedia
Lamjustin045 (talk) 21:34, 15 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Hey and welcome to the Teahouse. You may be interested in trying out our interactive introduction, The Wikipedia Adventure. If you mean "do" as in "create articles", it may be better to start by editing and doing other tasks than creating new articles, because creating an article is the hardest task on Wikipedia. As for which topics, we can guide you further if you let us know which areas interest you.  Hillelfrei   talk   22:03, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
 * We have over 6,000,000 articles here already, and of very varied states of perfection! Whether you're a pedant and simply like to fix grammatical or spelling errors, add better references, or want to add additional content based on Reliable sources to subjects you have an interest in, you're bound to find something here to keep you busy. Try Community portal or Task Center to give you a few ideas. Let us know when you've fixed them all! Nick Moyes (talk) 22:24, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

New article
Hello! what should i do if I want someone to make an article about a website in russian language? I am ready to help this person in any way possible.DonGuess (talk) 14:41, 15 May 2020 (UTC) DonGuess (talk) 14:41, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse, . Are you asking for an article about a Russian website or an article about a website that is to be written in Russian? If it's the latter you are probably better off heading to the Russian Wikipedia. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 14:46, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm presuming you are asking about creating an article on the English Wikipedia about a Russian-language website. Since creating a new article can be challenging, I suggest you spend a few weeks improving existing articles here. When you're ready, I suggest you first read Notability (web). If you are able to gather enough independent reliable sources to demonstrate notability, then you can follow the instructions at Help:Your first article. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 14:49, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
 * GoingBatty, I personally think that the website is very notable because it contains wiki-like (I don’t mean that it copies from Wikipedia, it doesn’t) texts about russian literature and a Wikipedia reader who is interested in russian literature rather probably knows russian good enough to at use this website. But I don’t want to be blamed for conflict of interested (which happened with my russian account) so I’d like someone else to rate the notability for me. Thank you,DonGuess (talk) 15:22, 15 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Hello, . Wikipedia's concept of notability is, in my view, poorly named, because it is nothing to do with the quality, importance, fame, or popularity of the subject. We often see people saying "I think X is notable because" and giving a reason which has nothing whatever to do with Wikipedia-notable. I'm afraid your comment is in the same category. Apart from some field-specific criteria like winning major prizes, notability is almost entirely to do with what has been written about the subject: it is imossible to deteremine notability by looking at the subject itself.
 * This does mean that certain categories of subject are under-represented: there tends not to be much written in mainstream sources about film editors or YouTube personalities, for example - and the same is often true of websites, even if they happen to be a stunningly useful resource. So in order to establish that your site is notable you need to present at least three places where somebody wholly unconnected with the site has chosen to write about it at some length, and been published somewhere with a reputation for editorial control and fact checking. These don't have to be in English, but they must be reliable, independent, and contain substantial material about the site. --ColinFine (talk) 15:50, 15 May 2020 (UTC)


 * ColinFine, I agree with what you’re saying, thanks for the answer! So what should I do if the object of the article I want to add is related to literature? Also please see [], about Polka and my other discussion on Teahouse by the title “new user, crime and punishment”,DonGuess (talk) 21:28, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Sorry,, I'm not sure what you are asking. You find suitable sources, or you give up on the subject. I'm not sure what relevance is to a question about specific wording in an existing article. --ColinFine (talk) 22:05, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
 * The general notability guideline is at Notability. On the right side of that page, you will see a blue table with links to the more specific guidelines, such as Notability (books). GoingBatty (talk) 23:00, 15 May 2020 (UTC)


 * should be combined with new user, crime and punishment, I think — DonGuess (talk) 23:47, 15 May 2020 (UTC) [Note:This comment moved from section heading to end of discussion by Marchjuly. -- Marchjuly (talk) 00:10, 16 May 2020 (UTC)]

Accuracy
I just want to ask, would you say this: "Although possibly declining in number in some areas, spotted hyenas are not protected outside of reserves and are considered problem animals in the 8th Schedule of the Parks and Wildlife." is more accurate than the original (" Although possibly declining in number in some areas, spotted hyenas are not protected and are considered problem animals in the 8th Schedule of the Parks and Wildlife.")? Obviously, I know they're protected in reserves (since that's the whole point of reserves: to protect wildlife), but I'm not sure if that's an accurate way of putting it. Redstoneprime (talk) 17:57, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
 * (This is about Spotted hyena) - Animals being protected inside reserves is invariably the case, and does not require specific sourcing. This sounds entirely fine to me, and may not even need stating. But if you do, it shouldn't need an additional reference. I think there's a modicum of being overly finicky going on regarding edits to this article at the moment. -- Elmidae (talk · contribs) 19:57, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

Elmidae Thanks. Also, I can understand why people are being a bit finicky, due to there not many reliable sources when it comes to more up-to-date research (such as how males can lead the clan, for example). Plus, doesn't "problem animal" refer to animals that attack/prey on humans and livestock/destroy crops (talking about individuals, of course, rather than entire species). Redstoneprime (talk) 20:26, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

Overly finicky? I don't see what is not clear about our WP:Verifiability policy. The above is not a WP:Sky is blue matter. And "sky is blue" is an essay instead of a policy or guideline anyway, and has a counter essay.

Please don't WP:Ping me for any reply to me in this section. Flyer22 Frozen (talk) 00:47, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

Im making a page
but im getting comments

Aight. So i made a page on OHL player Nick Robertson. He was drafted by the Leafs, prolly gonna play with them next year. I'm getting told that A) He hasn't played in a fully professional league (even though players like Byfield and McMichael have pages and they haven't played in pro leagues yet)

and B) he's not notable enough, even though he led the CHL(OHL,QMJHL,WHL) in goals. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Nick_Robertson_(ice_hockey) go see for yourself if he's notable enough. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nolanisntfunny (talk • contribs) 13:16, 15 May 2020 (UTC)


 * To somebody who knows more about sports than I do: This is about Draft:Nick Robertson (ice hockey). -- Hoary (talk) 14:11, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse! At the top of your draft is a big red template with lots of helpful hints. If you click the [show] link next to "Improving your odds of a speedy review", you'll see that it encourages you to add a WikiProject template on the draft talk page. In your case, you can create Draft talk:Nick Robertson (ice hockey) with the template . Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 14:54, 15 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Re: go see for yourself if he's notable enough, it's up to you to demonstrate notability with the sources that you cite in the article, currently:
 * 1. An entry in a database, which is suitable for citing statistics, and does nothing to establish notability.
 * 2. Same issue as #1.
 * 3. Might be OK. Find a couple more of these, from independent sources (i.e., the text should read nothing like this source so we know it's not just from a press release)
 * 4. Might be OK.
 * 5. Doesn't mention Robertson at all.
 * 6. Exactly same cite as #2. You should instead use the same cite by naming it the first time using the "Ref name" field in the citation tool, which produces the code, and then referring to it later with the code   (instead of using the citation tool). This is also discussed at WP:EASYREFBEGIN.
 * So, you currently have two sources that contribute to establishing notability, based on general Wikipedia guidelines, and my complete lack of knowledge about sources specific to hockey. Also note that other stuff exists, so it's not a valid argument that there are other articles existent for non-notable players –  Wikipedia has been less vigilant in the the past, and editors are constantly at work to delete articles that shouldn't be here (the process is non-trivial and takes a lot of time, as it should). Find some more sources and you should be OK. Please also see WP:EASYREFBEGIN for how to properly format cites –  there's more to it than just bare links. Thanks. —[  Alan M 1  (talk) ]— 20:33, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

1 and 2 are supposed to be about simple things like birthday, height, weight, stats. 3 and 4 are good. 5 is supposed to confirm the fact that the season was cancelled due to the Coronavirus. 6 is an error on my part. Nolanisntfunny (talk) 01:30, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

Arbitrazny Komitet Application/Заявка в арбитражный комитет Википедии
Hello, please make an application for the Komitet for my unblocking Здравствуйте! Пожалуйста, подайте заявку о моей разблокировке DonGuess (talk) 02:48, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
 * The Teahouse is for help with the English Wikipedia. To request to be unblock on the Russian Wikipedia, please follow the instructions at ru:Википедия:Блокировки. GoingBatty (talk)
 * Correction - please follow the instructions posted on your talk page at the Russian Wikipedia. GoingBatty (talk) 03:06, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

Claims of suppression of corruption

 * Asuman Ozdaglar: Father (Wikipedia Entry)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asuman_Özdağlar

Wikipedia keeps removing that her father was a former Minister of State between 13 December 1983 and 15 January 1985 in the 45th government of Turkey.

Why does wikipedia which supports freedom of speech hides corruption? 73.170.116.146 (talk) 03:24, 16 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Daron Acemoglu: (Wikipedia Entry)

Wikipedia keeps removing “a former Turkish government minister”. When Wikipedia supports free speech why does it hide corruption and true facts? 73.170.116.146 (talk) 03:30, 16 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Hi IP 73.170.116.146. I think you’ll find the answer you’re looking for in WP:FREESPEECH, WP:VERIFIABILITY, WP:RGW and perhaps even WP:BLPCRIME, WP:BLPCOI and WP:PUBLICFIGURE. Wikipedia article’s are only intended to reflect what written about something in reliable sources and content or claims which is likely to be contentious (particularly content about a living person) is likely going to be removed unless it’s something supported by citations to very strong reliable sources and isn’t considered to be WP:UNDUE. When there are disagreements over this type of thing the best thing to do is to follow WP:DR and discuss the content on the relevant article’s talk page. Repeatedly trying to add such content will not only likely continue to lead to it being removed, but may also be considered disruptive, edit warring or a combination of the two. Finally, please be careful about any claims you make about another person on any Wikipedia page, especially if they’re still living. — Marchjuly (talk) 03:40, 16 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Hello, IP editor. Wikipedis may support free speech in general, but it is far more important here that statements of purported fact are supported bt reliable sourcws. That ism particularly true when the fact is controversial, and even morwe true when the fact is about a living person.. In that last case unsourced negative or controversial statements need to be sourced or removed promptly. Pleas do not add statements to articles that nay person is "corrupt" unless you re prepared to cite a reliable source for it right away. mDES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 03:52, 16 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Welcome to the Teahouse! "Wikipedia" does not remove your edits, other volunteer editors remove them because you are not providing a reliable source for your claim. This is part of the BOLD, revert, discuss cycle. You boldly added a claim, and another editor reverted it. Instead of similar edits again, discuss it on the article talk page - Talk:Asuman Özdağlar, and provide your reliable sources. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 03:48, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

100 meters and ethnicity I belive your artical is wrong Matthew Boiling ran a sub 10 second 100 meter
68.79.207.23 (talk) 05:47, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Did you have a question? — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 06:25, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
 * According to Matthew Boling (not Boiling) he ran a 9.98 but it was wind assisted and so does not count . His personal best for record purposes is 10.11. Meters (talk) 06:37, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

How Can i add mine blog External links here
hi there, i got 3 alert from wikipedia some like this requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia and that one or more external links you added have been removed because they seemed to be inappropriate for an encyclopedia, dear wikipedia i m new here i dont know how to use this and wr to attached link , i know i m not that perfect but i will learn , plz guide me in simple way how can i submit my story or link, plz check this link https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Thakurmanjeet777#May_2020 thanks and regard, Thakurmanjeet777 (talk) 06:31, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Not all that much we can say beyond what user:Liz already said: Do not add links to your personal blog to any article on Wikipedia. Your personal blog is not a reliable source for anything (see WP:RS, in particular WP:RSSELF) and it's not an appropriate external link to be adding anywhere (see WP:ELNO point 11). Meters (talk) 06:45, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

Creation of the Maiara & Maraisa Page
Hello, I request the creation of the page: Maiara & Maraisa, referring to two successful Brazilian singers that I think is worth having in our articles. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Justicy john (talk • contribs) 01:47, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

See WP:REQUEST Zoozaz1 (talk 02:11, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Many editors do not consider WP:REQUEST useful, as the number of editors willing to create an article on a topic they know little/nothing about is small. David notMD (talk) 09:11, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

Where is this article designated stub class?
New-York Central College: I want to remove the stub classification, but can't find what to remove. Thank you. deisenbe (talk) 09:59, 16 May 2020 (UTC) deisenbe (talk) 09:59, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
 * There are two separate stub features: stub templates on the article and  in WikiProject tags on the talk page. New-York Central College doesn't have stub templates but Talk:New-York Central College has four  . PrimeHunter (talk) 10:13, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
 * do you mean the WikiProject classifications on the article's talk page? The article itself does not have a stub template, but I see that the WikiProject banners on the talk page all say "Rated Stub-class". That classification can be changed if you edit Talk:New-York Central College and change "class=Stub" in the project templates to some other grade. The grades are described at Content assessment. Hope that's what you meant? --bonadea contributions talk 10:19, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks, that's it exactly. deisenbe (talk) 10:24, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

How to add relevant citations for review and what are the fact checking sites which wikipedia accepts
Hi There,

I am trying to create producer's page. It is for one of my knowns. I am getting troubled finding proper citations that wiki can accept. Since it is my first time and I find it difficult as it got rejected. May I know what notable citations are accepted. And just to let you know. I am creating a page for well knowned producer in pollywood industries but yet to make some presence on wikipedia. Please help me out here Itsanupkumar (talk) 05:32, 16 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Hello Itsanupkumar. You have been given clear instructions numerous times on your talk page. Please click on the blue links there for further clarification.--Shantavira|feed me 12:16, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Each one of the decline and reject messages on User talk:Itsanupkumar includes an invitation to discuss the matter or to ask questions about it at the Teahouse. It seems a bit bitey to give the above answer in view of that fact.
 * , that said, Shantavira was not incorrect. Wikipedia only has articles about notable topics including notable people. Wikipedia defines "notable" in a special way, and notability is largely defined by citing multiple independent published reliable sources that discuss the topic in detail. The reviewers believe that Draft:Anup Kumar (music producer) is not supported by such reliable sources. Note that interviews with the subject of a biographical article are not normally considered to be independent sources, and so they do not count towards notability. Note that most people are not notable ,in Wikipedia's terms. Also, Wikipedia articles must be neutral -- not written to praise or attack a person or topic.
 * Wikipedia does not have a specific list of acceptable sources. In general, sources must have some sort of editorial control, so that someone using judgement stands between the writer and the readers, and must have a good reputation for fact checking. One can ask about particular sources at the reliable source noticeboard. Also, sources establishing notability must not be financially or otherwise closely associated with the subject.
 * Itsanupkumar, Please do follow the links in this message and on the various messages on your talk page, and read the linked pages. Please do not keep submitting your drafts with minor changes. Note that no amount of improved writing will; convert a non-notable topic into a notable one. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 14:19, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

what is south african emotional history
Solby wolby (talk) 13:57, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse, a place to get help with using or editing Wikipedia. If you have a question about a particular article, you can ask at the article's talk page. For more general topics, you could try the Reference desk. Good luck! GoingBatty (talk) 14:42, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

Copy right ? //en.wikipedia.org/wiki/m30_morter
I am using several military technical weaponry descriptions from Wikipedia articles for my book, being carful not to use any artistic views just the technical information about the subject. Can I use this information with out citation from the sources and copy rights of articles? Is their a Wikipedia copy right or citation that I need to use?

George Louisuhl (talk) 15:35, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
 * , text on Wikipedia is available under the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License. Therefore, if you copy text from the page, you will also have to release under a Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License. You can read more here: WP:CC BY-SA and WP:REUSE
 * Welcome to the Teahouse! You might also want to read the suggestions at Citing Wikipedia. Instead of citing Wikipedia, you might want to read the books and articles at M30 mortar and cite those instead. GoingBatty (talk) 15:43, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

New articles/pages
Hello there, how long does it take for an article/new page to be published on Wikipedia? I set up a page yesterday but it's saved as a "draft" so far.... Locky1986 (talk) 16:14, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. You created a draft, not an article. To submit it for review, add to the top,(as you see it when reading this page, without the nowiki tags I placed in the edit window to suppress their function here) and then you can submit it for a review. 331dot (talk) 16:26, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Hello, I presume this is about Draft:"Who I Am" (Melanie C Song). Drafts most often get to the main article space by being submitted to mteh Articles for Creation process. There they are reviewed by an experienced editor, and if the draft is accepted, it is moved to the main article space. It is also possible for any autoconfirmed user to move a draft directly to the main article space, but then all the strict rules apply without time to refine the draft, and such an article might well be deleted promptly. I do not advise that route. AfC reviews are done by volunteers, and each reviewer picks which items to work on, in no particular order. Some tend to choose the oldest available, some the newer ones, so a review can happen in days or take two to three months.
 * Please be aware that Wikipeedia only has articles about notable topics, and most individual songs are not considered notable. Notability is most often demonstrated by citing multiple independent professionally published reliable sources that discuss the topic in significant detail. See our guideline on the notability of songs for more detail. In the draft you created as it now stands, there are several cited sources: a potify link, which will not help establish notability; an interview with the singer, which is notm considered independent and so does not help either; a Rolling Stone article which is of some help but is a bit on the short side for the purpose; an official video which is not independent and so does not help with notability; YouTube versions of the song which are not independent; a Yahoo news article which seems to be essentially an interview; and two chart listings which will have some value. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 16:43, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

Why did my Wikipedia edit get removed?
Why did my contribution edit recently get eliminated or eliminated? Nazeerahabdulrahman (talk) 16:39, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
 * , it is considered improper to add references to articles written by yourself when there is no need to do so (i.e. the content is already properly cited). Wikipedia is not a platform for promotion. --MrClog (talk) 16:48, 16 May 2020 (UTC)


 * It was removed as ref spam according to the edit comment. Courtesy link [] It appears to be a link to a paper you wrote. You should put an WP:EDITREQUEST on the talk page. <b style="color:#7F007F">TimTempleton</b> <sup style="color:#800080">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  16:53, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi how do I allow people to hoover over my name and get information on myself to do with acting
Hi how do I allow people to hoover over my name and get information on myself to do with acting Andy Parkers (talk) 17:05, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse. Wikipedia is, unfortunately, not a social media network. Writing about yourself is strongly discouraged per our autobiographical policy as it is extremely hard to write factually about oneself. Perhaps LinkedIn, Facebook, or Instagram would suit your needs better? — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 17:10, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

Can someone help me assess whether the sources do establish notability of my draft article?
Hi, the initial version of my article on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Scantrust was declined because of lack of notability. The reviewer's comment was that "Corporate notability is based on what independent reliable sources have written about the subject". In the first version, I had indeed emphasised sources which were for the most part newspaper articles that contained quotes or looked like they were based on interviews. I now better understand the concept of secondary source, so I made efforts to collect sources such as book chapters and scientific articles which analyse primary sources that deal with the article topic. I now published a second version but have not submitted yet, as I want to make sure it stands a chance to be evaluated more favourably in regards to notability this time. I would very much appreciate if I could get feedback, in particular on whether references 1 to 6 can help establish notability. Please that note my COI is declared on the article talk page. Many thanks for your help! Factfox (talk) 22:47, 15 May 2020 (UTC) Factfox (talk) 22:47, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Are those sources specifically and primarily about Scantrust, or do they just mention Scantrust in passing or as part of a general trend? They appear to be the latter, rather than the former. Here is a step-by-step recipe for articles that won't be rejected or deleted. Ian.thomson (talk) 00:33, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Hello,, and welcome to the Teahouse. I looked through the first 6 refs, and I would saythis is improved, but not yet ready. Several points:
 * In at least two cases, you have a url parameter which holds a link to a WorldCat (OCLC) listing. Please don't do that. The oclc will give that link. "url=" should only be used for a link that goes to an actual copy of the source. If no such copy is available, online, leave "url=" blank or just remove it from the template.
 * Ref 1: Hyperledger Cookbook This looks likie the kind of source you want, but since I can't see the actual source, i can't evaluate it fully. You could use quote to provide a quote showing a key passage that supports the article. BTW, does all of chapter 10.2 support the articvle? if not, please use page or pages to give the exact location, unless the text does not have page numbers (aka unpaginated).
 * Ref 2: "Blockchain for food: " Again no link to an online copy provided, so i can't asses the depth of coverage, but again looks like the right kind o0f source.
 * Ref 3: EPFL Annual Report There appear to be only two single-sentence mentions of Scantrust. They are not unhelpful, but this is not an in-depth source, and you need several of those. Also please provide the date or at least the year, and the publisher in the ref.
 * Ref 4: "Safeguarding township tourism ..." Again the looks like a good kind of source, but its discussion of Scantrust is quite brief.
 * Ref 5: "Adopting Industry 4.0 Technologies ..." Again I can't asses the depth of coverage. Where there really 20, pages about Scantrust? if not either give just the pages you are citing, or give the exact page and the range for the whole as well, such as "Pages=5-6 [1-20]" (but just "pages=5-6" would be fine). Again quote might be useful if no online version is available
 * Ref 6: "A Copy-Proof Scheme..." again this is the right kind of source, and again I can't see the depth of coverage. I can only see the abstract, which does not mention Scantrust. Be sure to include "url=access=subscription" to indicate the paywall, and the use of quote would help.
 * also the lead section still has a bit of a marketing/PR tone, but that isn't severe enough to be a major problem. Still, try to sound less like a marketing flyer.
 * What is needed to establish notability is several independent published reliable sources, each of which has some depth of coverage, say at least several paragraphs devoted to Scantrust. A professional review of thither products would be particularly helpful. You seem to have the independent and reliable parts right -- many editors have trouble there.
 * Good luck with further editing. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 00:41, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Sources do not need to be the article subject, but they do need to give some depth of coverage to that subject. A mere passing mention or a 1-2 sentence discussion will not do.  DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 00:45, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Newer users have a harder time gauging what counts as "in-depth" (which is a bit subjective), and any source worth citing at all that is specifically and primarily about a topic would definitely meet that criteria. Ian.thomson (talk) 00:51, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
 * That is true, but I fear an over-reaction. I have seen a new user given that same "specifically and primarily about" wording reject as a source a book about Jazz Musicians that devoted 5 pages to the career of a particular trumpeter, because the book was not primarily about that person, and I have seen claims that a "12 best {software type} of {year}" that devoted a dozen paragraphs to a product was not in depth because it was not "primarily about" that product. So I tend to object to that wording. I understand that it is meant to make clear that slightly more than passing mentions, say three sentences, is still not enough. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 01:20, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
 * DES and Ian.thomson, thank you very much, I really appreciate you taking the time to give your expert feedback.@Ian.thomson, I have read many things on notability and I must say it is to get it wrong or a bit off, so your guide comes as a neat summary of the key points to keep in mind. To your question, some of the sources have one or a few paragraphs, but not entirely about Scantrust. I understand they must not all contribute to notability. On the other hand in the first version, I had put a number of newspaper and magazine articles entirely on Scantrust, but they were discarded for having quotes and appearing like interviews, even though I thought that they could in part be considered as secondary sources, as they also had commentaries from the journalist. @DES, it is very nice of you to have taken the time to look through the references and give me very specific recommendations on what to improve. I will make the corrections and additions, and also have a few other sources that I didn't think of using and which could contribute to notability. If you do not mind, I will let you know when the draft is updated. Thanks again to both of you Factfox (talk) 18:23, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

Oisso Sabas
Nyakunga (talk) 18:16, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse. Did you have a question about how to edit Wikipedia? — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 18:40, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

== It's my pleasure to here. Please I'm have regarding on how to publish Article, biography etc in Wikipedia. I publish a biography of one responsible international professor, but I don't know how the biography will be confirm on Wikipedia. ==

Tyler L. Adam (born 8 August 1968) is an American as well as international academic and media scholar.

Birth and academic career

Tyler L. Adam was born on 8 August, 1968. He was educated at the University of Florida (B.A. in Communication studies, 1990), M.S. in Communication Theory in 1992, and the Florida State University (Ph.D. in Communication & Educational leadership, 1995). He is an organizational specialist. He was a D'Aquin Endowed Professor of Communication at the University of Louisiana from 2006 to 2013, and was an assistant and associate professor of Communication at the University of Louisiana from 1998 to 2006. He began his career as a full time instructor in 1993 with the University of Arkansas at Monticello.

Later life and career

He has focused on internationalizing his professional network, thereby expanding his academic perspective. He held several appointments because of this global shift. Currently, he is in Dubai as Dean of Media and Mass Communication at the American University in the Emirates, located in the the smart city tech hub of silicon Oasis. Previous to that, he was in Nassau, The Bahamas as Dean of Continuing Education and Lifelong Learning at the university of the Bahamas. He was also in Mexico City as a Distinguished Foreign visiting professor at Monterey institute of technology (2017-2018). As well, he was also based in Kuwait city at the Gulf University for science and technology as professor of mass Communication (2015-2016). He was also vice Dean at The University of Business & Technology in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia (2013-2014).

He also taught in Pescara, Italy, as Da Vinci Fellow of Strategic communication at D'Annunzio University (fall 2012). While on appointment in central Asia as a CIES Fulbright senior specialist, he was selected of Academic Affairs at the Kazakhstan institute of Management, Economics, and Strategic Research (2011-2012). From 2004 to 2010, he was the graduate studies director at University of Louisiana, where he mentored numerous graduate students into top Ph.D. Programs. In 2006, he was a JSA professor of Communication at Yale University. He was also a McGee fellow at specializing in New Communication Technology (NCT). During summer, 1997, he was appointed as visiting scholar at St. Benet's Hall at Oxford university. As well, he was a Debate Coach at the Florida State University from 1990 to 1993, a champion debater at the University of Florida from 1988 to 1990.

REFERENCES

spintronics: the dawn of quantum computing ... - University of The Bahamas Abbas Kwarbai (talk) 16:45, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse. If you would like to write an article on Tyler L. Adam, please go through the process over at WP:YFA and create a draft for the article. Please also take a look at WP:EASYREFBEGIN as your sentences must be cited to your references as shown. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 16:51, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I see you already have a draft at Draft:Tyler L. Adam. Please review the criteria at Notability (people) to determine if he meets Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, called "notability". If he does, gather independent reliable sources and summarize what they say. GoingBatty (talk) 16:57, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

Thanks so much for the positive response GoingBatty, I have gone through the notability, and found he is notable to be here in Wikipedia. And the links I used all response to content, so what should I expect now? As in, how many days now should I expect for publication on Wikipedia? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Abbas Kwarbai (talk • contribs) 17:27, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

How many days does it take to publish Article/biography on Wikipedia. Please someone should help me to edit the biography of Professor Tyler L Adam which is already on draft
Please I need to someone to assist me to review my article ( biography of Professor Tyler L Adam) and I want to know how many days will takes for publication Abbas Kwarbai (talk) 17:38, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Welcome top the Teahouse your draft Draft:Tyler L. Adam has not yet been submitted for review, but before you do submit, please be aware that we need in depth independent sources to establish notability and Amazon is not a reliable source. Theroadislong (talk) 17:56, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Borrowing instructions from another host here - You created a draft, not an article. To submit it for review, add to the top,(as you see it when reading this page, without the nowiki tags I placed in the edit window to suppress their function here) and then you can submit it for a review. However, if you submit it as it now exists it will be declined, because references need to be embedded in the text. See instructions on how to reference WP:EASYREFBEGIN. Once submitted, it takes days to weeks, sometimes months, for a reviewer to act on the draft. An alternative is to make the draft an article yourself. If you do this, I can assure you that the article will then either be reverted to draft or else nominated for deletion. It needs improving. David notMD (talk) 18:23, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

ADMIN HELP NEEDED: Much of content of draft appears to have been copied from https://wcsajournal.com/editor-in-chief/ David notMD (talk) 18:27, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
 * NOT NEEDED ANYMORE: Draft nominated for Speedy deletion because of copyright violation. David notMD (talk) 18:40, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

Adding information about Formula season 2018
Hello Wikipedia,

I had a question about editing. I have been trying to ad some additional information and some subtle changes. But It has been corrected again. I was asked to give a credible source so I gave the source. but it was again deleted and restored back to before.

What Am I doing wrong here?

Kind regards Baeron. Baeron28 (talk) 17:02, 16 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Hello, . I see you have applied the same edit three times to 2018 Formula One World Championship, and has reverted it each time. I know nothing about the subject: I don't know whether you are right, they are right, you're both right, or it's a matter of interpretation. But I do know that the way for you to proceed is to open a discussion on the article's talk page Talk:2018 Formula One World Championship, and try to reach consensus with the other editor. Please see WP:BRD --ColinFine (talk) 18:15, 16 May 2020 (UTC)


 * it's an interpretation error and this is my bad for not explaining it in my most revert.


 * Where f1.com lists NC we put something more specific (DNF, DNQ etc.) So where it says DNF in the source you cited that doesn't correspond to DNF at 2018 Formula One World Championship. Instead the DNF in the source is is referenced in the article by the dagger which indicates a note which says something along the lines of "driver did not finish but is still classified as he completed 90% of the race distance".


 * The finishing places which we use in our (WP:F1's) articles (and therefore the results matrices) corropsond to the column on the far left of the source you cited, the column which says a time or DNF is then used to determine if the note:"driver did not finish but is still classified as he completed 90% of race distance" applies to drivers who were given a number in the far left column, in this case it does. Hope this is a helpful explanation and apologies for not being clearer earlier. SSSB (talk) 18:57, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

John Henshall (Photographer) – could I please seek advice on the issues and deletions?
How can I retain the hard work I did in getting the 'John Henshall (Photographer) submission onto Wikipedia? The facts that were put up were factually true and cleared with the man himself. What evidence do you need – please? Also, there was no financial implication in any way. I can provide further detail and advice as to why I felt that John deserved an entry – especially as he received an Honourary MA from The University for the Creative Arts. There was a link to the oration speech if you care to look. I would like to get it right – so any helpful advice would be welcomed?

The link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Henshall_(photographer) White.BS (talk) 17:17, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
 * You wrote as an Edit summary "All information is correct and is confirmed from John himself." The editor who removed all the content did not contest its truthfulness, only the lack of published references in support of the factual statements. What John says (to you or in interviews) is not considered a reliable source. David notMD (talk) 18:32, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Separately, you have been asked on your Talk page to explain your connection to John_Henshall_(photographer). Do you know him personally? Are you working on this article for him? Are you being or have been paid or otherwise compensated? Please cease editing until you address this. David notMD (talk) 18:36, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Receiving an honourary MA from The University for the Creative Arts would not make anyone notable in Wikipedia terms and the fact that you gave the oration speech implies that you have a conflict of interest which you need to declare. Theroadislong (talk) 19:45, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

Protecting A page
Greetings seniors, I have come across a page which was unnecessarily edited regularly and some editors have deleted the content regularly requesting you to let me know can we protect such kind of pages and if yes what are the criteria for doing that.--Thoufiq313 (talk) 19:10, 16 May 2020 (UTC) Thoufiq313 (talk) 19:10, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
 * All details can be found at WP:Protection policy and requests can be made at WP:Requests for page protection. SSSB (talk) 19:27, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
 * You will see that Draft:Sri Niranjana Swamy was given move protection to protect against the move war in which you were involved. The draft can be submitted for AFC review, rather than being moved prematurely to mainspace without review. --David Biddulph (talk) 19:37, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

David Biddulph Sir, Thank you for the information, Point noted Sir. The page Draft:Sri Niranjana Swamy was edited regularly but not yet approved requesting you to enlight me on the issue so that I can fix the problem.

SSSB Thank You Sir, The information was Useful. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thoufiq313 (talk • contribs) 19:43, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

Arzamas
I think, a reader of this Arzamas article could be searching information about the website https://arzamas.academy/. Should this link be added into the article? DonGuess (talk) 22:07, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
 * It looks a little promotional/business-like to me, rather than a genuine academy or university, so just adding it to 'External links' doesn't seem right - but then I've only quickly glanced at a Google translate version of the site. I would focus on actually adding factual content to the article - perhaps with a section on education or culture in the city. Nick Moyes (talk) 22:18, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
 * , Sorry, I think you might have misunderstood: this is an educational website and it is named after the Arzamas Society — Preceding unsigned comment added by DonGuess (talk • contribs) 22:51, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Arzamas is a city near Nizhny and Arzamas Society is a defunct literary society in St. Petersburg. I don't see how the website is related to either, but I don't speak Russian, so maybe I'm missing something. If the website is WP:NOTABLE (doubtful), then it would be the subject of its own article entitled Arzamas Academy. —[ Alan M 1  (talk) ]— 01:48, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
 * AlanM1, thé problem is that there is an article about it in Wikipedia but it is in russian language I will give you the link later. Does that fact by itself make the website notable by the way? DonGuess (talk) 02:39, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
 * The fact that a topic has an article on another Wikipedia doesn't inherently make it notable for the English Wikipedia - see Translation. GoingBatty (talk) 02:48, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I.e., Russian Wikipedia is a completely separate project from English Wikipedia (and all the other Wikimedia projects). Each has its own rules and procedures. English Wikipedia probably has the most restrictive rules regarding notability (I referred to WP:NOTABLE above) and suitability of sources (WP:RS). —[ Alan M 1  (talk) ]— 06:58, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
 * here is the article https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arzamas, as you see it’s actually spelled in English, that’s why I think it requires disambiguation page --DonGuess (talk) 22:48, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

Discography
In an article about a piece of music we often add a discography. Recordings are provided with a date (year). Do we prefer the recording date or the (original) release date of the recording? e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_Concerto_(Brahms)

Thanx for helping! MMenz (talk) 00:05, 17 May 2020 (UTC)
 * From perusing WikiProject Discographies/style, it appears we use release date. GoingBatty (talk) 01:02, 17 May 2020 (UTC)

how do i undo edits?
how do i undo edits?

I made some edits and didn't know i had accidently deleted image/table. i don'y know how to fix it. I need to "undo" those changes. Digig0th (talk) 01:27, 17 May 2020 (UTC)


 * You can access the page history on the top right, and you will see an "undo" button by each edit. Hillelfrei   talk   02:32, 17 May 2020 (UTC)

New fact for Jennie Kim fanpage (with source)
Hello, on Jennie Kim's Wikipedia page it's shown that Jennie's only Music Video Filmography was her SOLO Music Video. Yet Jennie also starred in GD's Music Video to 'THAT XX' (year:2012 title:THAT XX director:Han Sa Min( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G-Dragon_videography ) role:female lead role) [ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j57IzkTFnT8 ] which is clearly written in her Wikipedia page [ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jennie_(singer) [On September 1, Jennie made her first public appearance as the lead actress in G-Dragon's music video "That XX" from his solo album, One of a Kind.]] yet not included in the Music Video Filmography. Please fix that if you can. :) The fact is also included on That XX official Wikipedia page [ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/That_XX [The music video features G-Dragon playing two parts: himself, and the cheating boyfriend of the female character (played by Jennie from Blackpink).]] Xlivrey (talk) 01:29, 17 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse! Please note that Jennie (singer) is an encyclopedia article, not a "fanpage". Please post your suggestions to improve the article on the article's talk page: Talk:Jennie (singer), along with any independent reliable sources you have. Thanks for your interest in keeping the article up to date! GoingBatty (talk) 03:33, 17 May 2020 (UTC)

Draft:My Dream Beside Me
Hello! I started an article about a film entitled My Dream Beside Me. I was wondering if there was any current feedback on the progress I have so far. I'm going to get to further paragraphs in time. Also, it appears that it isn't labeled as a draft, but instead a full article, which is not the case. Is there a way where I can revert it to a draft state? Thank you for your time. Le Panini (talk) 05:04, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. I moved your article to Draft space, you can find it at Draft:My Dream Beside Me. Once you are ready to submit it, you can click the AFC button and reviewers will give you feedback. ThatMontrealIP (talk) 05:51, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Please review Notability (films) and add more independent reliable sources, such as reviews from more prominent newspapers and magazines. See Manual of Style/Film for how to organize your draft (e.g. the details of the critical response belongs in its own section). Films are released, not published. The Internet Movie Database is abbreviated IMDb. I suggest you choose cite web (instead of citation) for each reference, and fill out the work or publisher parameter for each reference. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 14:39, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for the tips! I do have a collection of newspapers talking about the film, but they all come from the same site, which I already sourced. Is this still allowed then? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Le Panini (talk • contribs) 16:47, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
 * If you have multiple newspaper articles from the same newspaper that each provide significant coverage to the film, it's OK to use each one. GoingBatty (talk) 03:04, 17 May 2020 (UTC)

Understandable. FINALLY (I know, I'm sorry), normally I get multiple things of information from one source. When I try to cite the same source twice, the reference URL appears twice in the reference list instead of once. Does that make sense? How do I properly cite the source? Thank you for your time.

Le Panini (talk) 05:02, 17 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Assuming you're using the source editor, you can give the opening ref tag the name attribute and then call it later. It would look something like this:

... ...
 * will render:

... ...
 * — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 05:08, 17 May 2020 (UTC)

Help to edit Evidence-based education
I would like to make some significant edits to this page but want to be respectful of the other editors. I think the charts should be removed because they have no date, are not verifiable, appear to be out-of-date, and are too difficult to keep up-to-date. I would replace them with other information that would allow the reader to find the current information they may want. See my comments on Talk:Evidence-based education. I have reached out to two former editors but have not received a reply as yet. The article also needs an introduction and new information to make it more accurate and current. Can I just go ahead and make the changes, or is there some other protocol? Thank you. John (talk) 20:10, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I see that you posted on both Talk:Evidence-based education and Talk:Scientifically based research. Some suggestions:
 * You could add to the top of both articles to help advertise your suggestion.
 * You could consolidate the discussion on one talk page. To do so, you can have both templates point to one of the talk pages, and then add a note to the second talk page pointing to the first.
 * You could also post your draft on a separate page, such as User:Jnhmunro/sandbox, and provide a link from the talk discussion to your draft.
 * Good luck! GoingBatty (talk) 22:21, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

Thank you, I will do as you suggest. John (talk) 13:01, 17 May 2020 (UTC)

How to write article?
Hi Everyone. How can I write an article that is approved? What type of reference i should use for my articles ? Sogand Kamranii (talk) 04:57, 18 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Assuming this is about Draft:Tina Akhondtabar, the older version Draft:Tina Akhoondtabar has been declined three times and finally rejected since the person is clearly not notable enough to merit an article. (Other draft and article pages about the same individual have been created and deleted a few times, both before and after that draft was rejected, and a number of different sockpuppet accounts have been involved.) No amount of editing can overcome a lack of notability. Regards, --bonadea contributions talk 07:16, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

How can I have an article created by another unbiased editor?
I have an article that I feel should be added but I am personally involved in the subject matter. What can I do? Rightventracleleft (talk) 05:23, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
 * If you are personally involved, you should declare your WP:COI on the article's talk page with connected contributor and on your own user page with UserboxCOI. Once the draft is fleshed out you should restrict your contributions to edit requests on the article's talk page. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 )  05:28, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
 * What can I do... about having the article created? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rightventracleleft (talk • contribs) 05:32, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Rightventracleleft, the first thing you should do is mention here the name of the article you are proposing.--Quisqualis (talk) 07:22, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

My article submission for my own company was decline.
I recently created a page for my own company but it was declined https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Cytron_Technologies. I try to write it from the neutral party, no selling, no promoting, validated references and I follow how my peers writing for their own company. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adafruit_Industries https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SparkFun_Electronics

I want to know how can I improve the article to be published. is remove the product section works? Engtong (talk) 05:42, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse. The issue the reviewer had was the tone you used, which is promotional. An example is The product was unveiled in 2018 and managed to run a successful crowdfunding campaign at Kickstarter; emphasis added. There are also details that do not matter to a casual reader, such as where all of them are in purple color PCB and in purple color packaging. There is this sentence: simple design of manual test buttons is the signature feature of Cytron Motor Driver made its [sic] stand out from its rivals, which compares the product to competing brands, and is absolutely not neutral and serves to promote the product. The content under "rero Educator Conference" only speaks to its purpose and does not provide any other details besides that. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 )  06:11, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
 * , it is pretty hard to write about your company neutrally, no matter how hard you try. It's better to leave it to other, more experienced writers to deal with it and I recommend you edit something totally unrelated. Eumat114 formerly TLOM (Message) 07:47, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

Is there a trial page to print out to work with?
Hi! My name is Jan. Id there a test or trial wiki page form that I can print out to work with so I can familiarize myself with who it looks and where things go?TiBUchon (talk) 22:55, 17 May 2020 (UTC) TiBUchon (talk) 22:55, 17 May 2020 (UTC)
 * If you're looking for a page to test things out, you are always welcome to use your sandbox to try things out. If you would like something closer to an orientation course, try out The Wikipedia Adventure. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 22:58, 17 May 2020 (UTC)

Picture of blank wiki page for reference
Hi. I am new here and I am in need of a blank wiki page layout for reference while creating my first page. One that will show where all the information should be added to the page. I would like to print it out so that I can look at it as I create the wiki page. Is there one? I have not been able to find one while researching. TiBUchon (talk) 23:13, 17 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I suggest you use Help:Your first article, and refer to Manual of Style/Layout. GoingBatty (talk) 23:28, 17 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Hello, . I would echo what says: please study "Your first article", and understand that getting the format of an article right, though important, is of far less consequence than getting the sourcing and citing right. Formatting can be easily corrected, but creating an article about a subject which turns out not to be notable is a waste of effort for you and everybody else. --ColinFine (talk) 08:51, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

Article wrongly made a draft and put for AfC
An article I created has been made a draft and put for AfC by another user.

The message I received says that it was due to the article not following the Neutrality, Verifiability and Notability guidelines. However, the contest does follow all guidelines and it was already reviewed by a fellow editor/moderator.

The article in question is Satguruma Paramahansa Sadhvi Trideviji

How can I report the unjustified behaviour from this user? Iair.rozen (talk) 08:12, 18 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Hi – while it can perhaps feel as if a move to draft space is some kind of unfair treatment, it is in fact a way of trying to save an article that does not meet the minimum requirements for a Wikipedia article. An experienced editor moved an article you had created, which was nowhere near ready to be part of the main encyclopedia, to Draft space so that you could work on it further. You moved it back to the main encyclopedia without addressing the issues, and now it has been deleted as unambiguous promotion. Important: Please have a look at the note the other editor left for you on your user talk page, where you were asked to declare whether you have a conflict of interest, before you made any other edits. Thank you. --bonadea contributions talk 08:53, 18 May 2020 (UTC)