Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2021 June 5



Nuremberg U-Bahn templates

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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 13:19, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
 * VAGN color
 * VAGN lines
 * VAGN stations
 * VAGN style


 * S-line/VAGN left/U1
 * S-line/VAGN left/U11
 * S-line/VAGN left/U2
 * S-line/VAGN left/U3
 * S-line/VAGN right/U1
 * S-line/VAGN right/U11
 * S-line/VAGN right/U2
 * S-line/VAGN right/U21
 * S-line/VAGN right/U3

templates for the Nuremberg U-Bahn. Replaced by Module:Adjacent stations/Nuremberg U-Bahn. All transclusions replaced. There are 9 dependent s-line data modules that should also be deleted. Mackensen (talk) 23:19, 5 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Support, per nom. AlgaeGraphix (talk) 15:59, 6 June 2021 (UTC)
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2014–15 NBA Preseason Standings

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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 13:08, 13 June 2021 (UTC) Preseason is nowhere notable for having its own templates. Preseason standings are not official in any capacity. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 22:28, 5 June 2021 (UTC)
 * 2014–15 NBA Central standings (preseason)
 * 2014–15 NBA East standings (preseason)
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Template:Spaced en dash

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The result of the discussion was keep. Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 13:09, 13 June 2021 (UTC) This is more trouble than it's worth, and is heavily over-used in place of e.g. colons, or literally any other construction that doesn't require at least two levels of expert-level Wikipedia experience (the deeply idiosyncratic house dash style, and inline templates).
 * Spaced en dash

it's been twenty years. Everyone has access to an editing toolbox that puts the right thing in. Let's kill off some curly brackets (which despite the talk page telling me are used by 70k+ pages are extremely localised to its adopters).

Obviously the resolution will be subst+delete, and asking people not to create macros which require 10x the cognitive burden to just hitting the toolbar button. 0% of this template's users are incapable of that. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 20:50, 5 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Snow keep per all the arguments that were presented in a similar discussion at . Looking at the amount of opposition there, this proposal has zero chance of getting through. &horbar;Jochem van Hees (talk) 22:03, 5 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep for convenience, though automatic substitution in mainspace could be a possibility. Elli (talk &#124; contribs) 05:11, 6 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep as much as I really, really dislike having to learn about long and short hyphens to edit peacefully here, I like even less the incomprehensible text that is placed in articles to do this, which from memory is like nsdbp. Having a template to do this at least uses an English language term to describe what is being written so that the ignorant like myself can use google to work out what is being done, as I suspect 99.9999% of the English speaking world will have no idea what a spaced em dash means.Tom (LT) (talk) 06:51, 6 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep per Elli. &#123;{u&#124; Sdkb  }&#125;  talk 06:29, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
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Basketball Standings

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The result of the discussion was keep. Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 13:09, 13 June 2021 (UTC) All unnecessary to have for respective seasons. The majority are red-linked to pages that don't exist or not red-linked but titles of templates are in bold. Not helpful for navigation or for any other purpose. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 19:38, 5 June 2021 (UTC)
 * 1993–94 Mid-Eastern Athletic Conference men's basketball standings
 * 1994–95 Mid-Eastern Athletic Conference men's basketball standings
 * 1995-96 Southwest conference men's basketball standings
 * 1995–96 MEAC men's basketball standings
 * 1997–98 MEAC men's basketball standings
 * 1998–99 MEAC men's basketball standings
 * 1999–2000 MEAC men's basketball standings
 * 2001–02 MEAC men's basketball standings
 * 2002–03 MEAC men's basketball standings
 * 2003–04 MEAC men's basketball standings
 * 2020–21 Ivy League men's basketball standings
 * 2021–22 America East Conference men's basketball standings
 * 2021–22 Atlantic Sun men's basketball standings
 * 2021–22 Atlantic Sun women's basketball standings
 * 2021–22 Big Sky men's basketball standings
 * 2021–22 Big South men's basketball standings
 * 2021–22 Big South women's basketball standings
 * 2021–22 Big West men's basketball standings
 * 2021–22 Horizon League men's basketball standings
 * 2021–22 Horizon League women's basketball standings
 * 2021–22 MAAC men's basketball standings
 * 2021–22 MEAC men's basketball standings
 * 2021–22 Missouri Valley Conference men's basketball standings
 * 2021–22 Missouri Valley Conference women's basketball standings
 * 2021–22 Ohio Valley Conference men's basketball standings
 * 2021–22 SEC women's basketball standings
 * 2021–22 Southland Conference women's basketball standings
 * 2021–22 Summit League women's basketball standings
 * 2021–22 WAC men's basketball standings
 * 2021–22 WAC women's basketball standings
 * 2021–22 West Coast Conference women's basketball standings
 * Speed Keep all. The "2021–22 *" templates are already inline and commented out at 2021–22 NCAA Division I men's basketball season and 2021–22 NCAA Division I women's basketball season, pending additional CBB team article creation over the next 3 months. For example, see last year's 2020–21 season as a usage/render example of same. Note, this is their most recent TfD of "unnecessary" templates where the templates have both a clear purpose and a historical precedent of use. I suggest the nom slow down. UW Dawgs (talk) 03:30, 7 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep per UW Dawgs. The articles to which the templates link will be created later this year prior to the 2021-22 NCAA Division I basketball season. Crossover1370  (talk &#124; contribs) 04:46, 7 June 2021 (UTC)
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Template:1989–90 French Division 1 table

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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork ―Œ (talk) 13:09, 13 June 2021 (UTC) Unused. Not sure what tournament or event this is supposed to be for. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 19:20, 5 June 2021 (UTC)
 * 1989–90 French Division 1 table
 * Delete the event for this template is 1989–90 French Division 1, but that article is using a table rather than this template anyway. So template not needed. <b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b><b style="color:#000000">2302</b> (talk) 19:28, 5 June 2021 (UTC)
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 * Delete per nom. GiantSnowman 18:51, 6 June 2021 (UTC)
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Template:Arabian Gulf Cup Champions
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The result of the discussion was relisted on 2021 June 13. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 13:10, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Arabian_Gulf_Cup_Champions
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Template:ReferencesList
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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 13:11, 13 June 2021 (UTC) Introduce an unnecessary and non-standard format for a and  respectively. These don't seem like an improvement. Laplorfill (talk) 16:35, 5 June 2021 (UTC)
 * ReferencesList
 * SNRList
 * SourcesNotesReferencesList


 * Delete all per nomination. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 16:55, 5 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete all are unnecessary Run n Fly (talk) 17:27, 5 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment: that template was created just today. Maybe give it some time instead of biting the newcomers? &horbar;Jochem van Hees (talk) 22:21, 5 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete. I actually feel the opposite of Jochem here. If we give it time, this might be used and it shouldn't. We have enough problems with current existing styles and we shouldn't allow new ones which will just make this even more difficult to follow. There are many other places a new user can help out. Creating these templates, isn't one of them. Gonnym (talk) 11:04, 6 June 2021 (UTC)
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2020-21 BBL Match Templates
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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 13:11, 13 June 2021 (UTC) Scorecards of games between two teams in the BBL League should not be on separate templates. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 15:22, 5 June 2021 (UTC)
 * 2020-21 BBL Match 1
 * 2020-21 BBL Match 2
 * 2020-21 BBL Match 3
 * 2020-21 BBL Match 4
 * 2020-21 BBL Match 5
 * 2020-21 BBL Match 6
 * 2020-21 BBL Match 7
 * 2020-21 BBL Match 8
 * 2020-21 BBL Match 9
 * 2020-21 BBL Match 10
 * 2020-21 BBL Match 11
 * 2020-21 BBL Match 12
 * 2020-21 BBL Match 13
 * 2020-21 BBL Match 14
 * 2020-21 BBL Match 15
 * 2020-21 BBL Match 16
 * 2020-21 BBL Match 17
 * 2020-21 BBL Match 18
 * 2020-21 BBL Match 19
 * 2020-21 BBL Match 20
 * 2020-21 BBL Match 21
 *  Subst and delete all these are not needed, as each scorecard is used a small number of times. These templates are a persistent pain as they make articles more difficult to edit, as you have to go to the article, find the template name, go to the template, and then edit it. I know other cricket articles use templates for individual matches, but they shouldn't do. Consider this vote an approval for the deletion of any individual match cricket templates, as their deletion is way overdue in my opinion. <b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b><b style="color:#000000">2302</b> (talk) 18:34, 5 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: there's nothing to subst, as they aren't being used (as 2020–21 Big Bash League season has the scorecards in the article rather than via template). <b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b><b style="color:#000000">2302</b> (talk) 21:14, 6 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete - and I'd agree that in almost every case the same should happen with other match templates. Frankly we should have much less match information in place anyway outside of major international cricket. Blue Square Thing (talk) 08:50, 6 June 2021 (UTC)
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UEFA Women's Championship finalists templates
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The result of the discussion was delete almost all, but no consensus for the winners template. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 13:15, 13 June 2021 (UTC) Not linked anywhere except to each of the templates' mainspace. Only links in the template are to the nation's national women's football teams. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 15:07, 5 June 2021 (UTC)
 * UEFA Women's Championship finalists template
 * UEFA Women's Championship winners
 * 1984 European Competition for Women's Football finalists
 * 1987 European Competition for Women's Football finalists
 * 1989 European Competition for Women's Football finalists
 * UEFA Women's Euro 1991 finalists
 * UEFA Women's Euro 1993 finalists
 * UEFA Women's Euro 1995 finalists
 * UEFA Women's Euro 1997 finalists
 * UEFA Women's Euro 2001 finalists
 * UEFA Women's Euro 2005 finalists
 * UEFA Women's Euro 2009 finalists
 * UEFA Women's Euro 2013 finalists
 * UEFA Women's Euro 2017 finalists
 * Your nominating rationale is factually incorrect with regards to Template:UEFA Women's Championship winners. Seany91 (talk) 09:43, 6 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete all not useful templates, as there's only two teams in a final, so should only ever have two links. Some of these templates do include semi-finalists (which makes no sense), but they are not at all useful for navigation. <b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b><b style="color:#000000">2302</b> (talk) 18:37, 5 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete all except Template:UEFA Women's Championship winners: all information here are overly detailed and the only ones necessary are Template:UEFA Women's Championship and Template:UEFA Women's Championship winners. Seany91 (talk) 09:39, 6 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Seany91, what the one template you are voting to keep does nothing except link to the respective national women's team articles. The majority of wins are by the German team including the old West German team, with the second most being Norway. All this template has is fluff. And is superseded by Template:UEFA Women's Championship. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 15:31, 6 June 2021 (UTC)
 * ...which is exactly what templates such as these are meant to do: for navigation purposes and are linked in the respective national women's team articles. Also see Template:FIFA World Cup champions, Template:UEFA European Championship winners, Template:FIFA Women's World Cup Winners, etc. One team has a good record in the same competition is not a valid rationale for deletion. Seany91 (talk) 18:47, 6 June 2021 (UTC)
 * You also erroneously stated that the templates are not used anywhere. The one with winners clearly is used. Seany91 (talk) 18:48, 6 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page discussions. GiantSnowman 18:44, 6 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete all per nom, apart from the one listed by Seany91. GiantSnowman 18:50, 6 June 2021 (UTC)
 * I don't have a strong opinion either way. But I do not see why Euro finalists templates should be deleted and World cup finalists templates not. The World cup is a more important tournament than the Euro's but not by a big margin. I think that American wikipedians fail to see the impact the Euro's has on the old continent. So in short: Either keep them both or delete them both gets my vote! Dutchy45 (talk) 19:34, 6 June 2021 (UTC)
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NFL Team Years
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The result of the discussion was keep. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 13:18, 13 June 2021 (UTC) Template:NFL Year supersedes and fulfills the purpose of each of these templates. There is no need for each team to have its own team year templates. Especially for teams that no longer exist. No other templates are used for the other major American sports leagues for their respective teams. And a majority of these are unused and the ones that are used can be replaced by NFL Year. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 01:40, 5 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Cardinals NFL season
 * Falcons season
 * Ravens season
 * Bills season
 * Panthers season
 * Bears season
 * Bengals season
 * Browns season
 * Cowboys season
 * Broncos season
 * Lions season
 * Packers season
 * Texans season
 * Colts season
 * BColts season
 * Jaguars season
 * Chiefs season
 * Chargers season
 * San Diego season
 * Rams season
 * Dolphins season
 * Vikings season
 * Patriots season
 * Saints season
 * FGiants season
 * Jets season
 * Raiders season
 * LAraiders season
 * LVraiders season
 * Eagles season
 * Steelers season
 * 49ers season
 * Seahakws season
 * Buccaneers season
 * Titans season
 * Toilers season
 * Oilers season
 * Washington Football Team season
 * Redskins season
 * Delete per nom. Jweiss11 (talk) 04:07, 5 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep; NFL Year template redirects to the entire league's season, not further specific information about that team's individual season that some users may be looking for.Claystripe (talk) 17:46, 6 June 2021 (UTC)
 * If you take a look at the pages of MLB, NBA players, for example, in their infobox it links to the MLB Year, NBA year templates for the respective seasons of their career. Having a year template for every team is too much. Even for teams or reiterations of teams that no longer exist, like the Montreal Expos or Flordia Marlins. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 18:19, 6 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Speedy Keep. The stated rationale is misleading as the NFL template and 39 NFL team templates are unrelated in design and purpose. 1960 creates "1960" where the "1960" year links to 1960 NFL season. However,  creates "DAL" where the "DAL" abbreviation links to 1960 Dallas Cowboys season
 * See Tom Landry or Tom Flores as examples of a career stats data table which can pair both templates to render year links and team links exactly as intended. UW Dawgs (talk) 05:00, 7 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep per . « Gonzo fan2007  <small style="color:#2A2722">(talk)  @ 17:29, 7 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep per above. Seahawks 4 Life TALK—CONTRIBS 14:36, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep as per the explanation by, they are clearly not a duplicated/superceded. <b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b><b style="color:#000000">2302</b> (talk) 14:52, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
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1980–81 NBA Rosters
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The result of the discussion was delete. Plastikspork <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex">(talk) 13:18, 13 June 2021 (UTC) All the roster information is already transcluded on the respective 1980–81 season pages for the four teams. There is no need for each team to have their separate roster template for any season unless they won the championship. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 00:52, 5 June 2021 (UTC)
 * 1980–81 Denver Nuggets roster
 * 1980–81 Kansas City Kings roster
 * 1980–81 New Jersey Nets roster
 * 1980–81 Philadelphia 76ers roster
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Template:Uw-thumb1
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The result of the discussion was keep. There is consensus to keep the template. High use was cited by some editors in the discussion. (non-admin closure) (t &#183; c)  buidhe  02:59, 12 June 2021 (UTC) This is following the discussion on May 27 regarding Uw-thumb2 where it's barely used and a warning notice over thumbnails in infoboxes seems ridiculous. And Uw-thumb3 and Uw-thumb4 have been deleted with a similar consensus over why anyone would be blocked or warned over something like this. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 23:14, 4 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Uw-thumb1
 * delete per nomination and my comments on the article's talk page. CapitalSasha ~ talk 01:46, 5 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete - no prejudice against recreating as a single-issue notice. Schierbecker (talk) 04:55, 5 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment: is this a common mistake that new users make? If it is then a template message is helpful. Not all user talk template message have to be about vandalism; there's also ones about creating articles without categories, or using DISPLAYTITLE incorrectly; see WP:WARN. &horbar;Jochem van Hees (talk) 14:12, 5 June 2021 (UTC)
 * I doubt it. Because given the lack of the template's usage, it isn't an overwheleming concern when it comes to editing. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 14:43, 5 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Are you aware that this is a substed template so the lack of transclusions is not evidence of lack of use? User:GKFXtalk 22:47, 6 June 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm aware of that. However, a notice about such a thing doesn't seem to be on par with a warning about vandalism or edits without sources. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 23:07, 6 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep: this message, or something like it, has been used 3000+ times. It seems useful and clear, and evidently this is a routine error. The tone is reasonably friendly, it’s more of a how-to guide than a warning. User:GKFXtalk 22:42, 6 June 2021 (UTC)


 * Comment uw-thumb1 is incompatible with uw-thumb ; they are a bout different thumbnail uses that are bad. Clearly something is wrong here. -- 67.70.27.180 (talk) 03:51, 7 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep, possibly rename per the IP above, but this is a useful warning to have. Elli (talk &#124; contribs) 05:17, 7 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep: While I agree it's not something a user should be blocked for, we should still keep it since we have many other templates about editing tips like these—some of which are only used a few times—but we still keep them. This template, however, gets around 2,200 results. Coolperson177 (talk) 13:50, 7 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep (I also commented above). As others pointed out this is not a rarely used template, and template mesages don't have to be only about vandalism. I do think though that uw-thumb should be renamed since it's confusing to have two different template messages with almost identical names (but that'd probably have to be its own TfD). &horbar;Jochem van Hees (talk) 21:43, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
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