Talk:List of best-selling video games

The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim Sold 60+ millons copies
Add Skyrim to the list, the game has sold more tan 60 million copies and it not appear. please add it. thanks Sources: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Elder_Scrolls_V:_Skyrim. reference: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Elder_Scrolls_V:_Skyrim#cite_note-146

https://www.gamespot.com/articles/skyrim-is-now-within-the-top-10-best-selling-games-of-all-time/1100-6515101/

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1391058/skyrim-games-sales-worldwide/#:~:text=TES%3A%20Skyrim%20cumulative%20units%20sold%20worldwide%202011-2023&text=As%20of%20June%202023%2C%20Skyrim,excluding%20mobile%2C%20since%20its%20release. Statista have the sales of many games that appear in this page of wikipedia Farenghar (talk) 20:11, 21 January 2024 (UTC)


 * Statista is unreliable and often uses Wikipedia itself for figures. Skyrim has been requested and discussed repeatedly, over and over. We don't include it because there's been no official statement, just a single offhanded comment by Todd Howard, in the middle of a two hour interview about a completely different game. -- ferret (talk) 20:33, 21 January 2024 (UTC)
 * And this is only the reason for exclude it for the page?, i remember skyrim always figure in this page and only for the comment of Todd this not appear anymore. Skyrim is top 10 games most soled and it not appear for no reason. please add it again. thanks Farenghar (talk) 21:52, 21 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Yes, the lack of a reliable official statement from Bethesda is a reason to exclude it. Todd is an unreliable narrator who himself tells people to take his claims with a grain of salt. -- ferret (talk) 22:40, 21 January 2024 (UTC)
 * When has Todd said to take his claims with a grain of salt? I think we need to see that quote before we start discounting his words entirely. Even if he said this, IGN, who did the interview, has taken the 60 million number as fact, so it makes no sense for Wikipedia to then decide it's untrue. Shivj80 (talk) 23:52, 10 February 2024 (UTC)
 * ferret if you don't have a response to my previous points, then I would like to put Skyrim back onto the list. Shivj80 (talk) 22:55, 26 February 2024 (UTC)
 * No. I simply tire of saying the same thing over and over for people who won't read the past discussions. I wasn't even the person who originally brought that up. -- ferret (talk) 23:34, 26 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Can we overrule the previous discussion? I've read through it before and the exclusion of Skyrim largely rests on the dubious claim that Todd Howard would lie about the sales of his own game. Just because he's made exaggerated claims before, doesn't mean it makes sense to discount his word on a totally separate topic. CD Projekt Red has lied way more than Todd yet the Witcher 3 is currently on this article. Shivj80 (talk) 02:25, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
 * ferret Following up on this, do we have to start a new discussion to get Skyrim back on here? Shivj80 (talk) 00:36, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
 * What is there to discuss? Nothing new has been presented. The information still only comes from a single throw away comment in a hour+ long interview about a different game. No further confirmation from Bethesda or Microsoft. -- ferret (talk) 01:13, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Also, many of the games on this list and the most sold franchises list are based off of „a single throw away comment“. GesundemBrot (talk) 12:05, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
 * The same can be said of the 195 M of GTA V, so you should remove it from the list as well.
 * Most of those numbers are estimate anyway, so your argument doesn't justify ignoring one in particular. Like in history, truth is something difficult to corner, but it's more informative to give a value, tell where it's coming from and allowing the reader to decide, rather than making people believe Skyrim isn't on that list at all just because the sales might be a little off from the claimed 60 M.
 * It only makes Wikipedia look even more untrustworthy. 2A02:A03F:C0B9:7C00:10AE:9445:12B2:ED54 (talk) 08:17, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
 * GTA V's sales number came directly from Take-Two Interactive's earnings report, not an interview. Pre  fall  08:45, 9 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Do you really think, that you are telling Bethesda something and being cool by not putting the game on the list, even though it was on it when it had 30 million copies sold (Source: Todd again), which is hyprocritical. Also, the official Skyrim Wikipedia page itself includes the number of games sold and by that, it makes it very obvious that you hold a personal grudge against Bethesda and/or Howard. The majority opinion would agree that Skyrim should be on the list period. GesundemBrot (talk) 12:02, 20 April 2024 (UTC)
 * I want to throw my hat in the ring and say Skyrim should be on here. There is zero reason for it to not be here when an executive from Bethesda shared the updated sales number in an official press interview. Charizard777 (talk) 05:19, 24 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Todd Howard is a certified liar lol. He is known for lying and many fans criticized him especially for Starfield. Kazama16 (talk) 22:30, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Lmao no Todd Howard never lies. He may exeggerate some features of his games, and some things get cut in development, but every demo for Skyrim, Fallout 4, 76 and Starfield show exactly what you get in the game. He is trustworthy. Swedishplayer97 (talk) 16:54, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Todd Howard doesn't lie, he just only explains the good part of his games, and not the bad part. Please stop with these false claims, so skyrim can be on this leaderboard. Thanks Swedishplayer97, Shivj80, Farenghar, GesundemBrot and Charizard777 for wanting to put skyrim on here. Nerderd (talk) 23:33, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
 * That's a completely unrelated point. Just because it was mentioned in a separate interview does not discredit it's validity. We have other games listed on here solely off of developer statements such as Stardew Valley, where it was only mentioned on Twitter nonetheless. It's blatantly obvious people here just have a personal bias against Bethesda for whatever reason. Skyrim was listed here years ago with 30 million copies. It is widely regarded as the most popular open world RPG ever, 60 million seems like quite an accurate number to that title. You've given no real evidence why Todd Howard's claims are not official. 67.214.28.212 (talk) 21:22, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
 * I'm new here but I agree. If it is on the Skyrim page then it should be on this page as well. Swedishplayer97 (talk) 16:55, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
 * You'll notice the Skyrim page states "according to" and "he claimed". Both are presented in a way as to be worthy of skepticism, as it is. Obviously, Skyrim does belong on this list, and I do believe Howard's number to be roughly accurate. But for the purposes of this article in particular, there's just no source that's substantial enough to allow it. If you look across this article, sourcing here is from official press-releases, and secondary sources reporting on official IRs. RammyRamRamRam (talk) 06:47, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Stardew Valley is listed here based on a Tweet from it's developer. Just about the same degree of validity that Todd Howard has, arguably less. 67.214.28.212 (talk) 21:23, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

Why was Horizon Zero Dawn removed from the list?
It was on here recently, and it should still be as it has more sales than several games near the bottom of the list. It's pretty significant being the only Sony 1st party title on the list, so if it gets knocked off it should be for legitimate reasons. The source for its sales figure comes directly from Sony: https://blog.playstation.com/2023/05/09/20-years-of-guerrilla-the-story-of-a-playstation-studio/ Nich Hustler (talk) 11:42, 14 June 2024 (UTC)


 * @Nich Hustler The source gives a franchise total (There were are the time 4 games in the franchise, including two spin offs) and specific figures for Forbidden West. No figure for Zero Dawn is given. -- ferret (talk) 13:33, 14 June 2024 (UTC)
 * You say that as if Pokémon's separate games aren't listed in one 67.214.28.212 (talk) 21:32, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Pokemon games that are editions of the same game released as pairs is a little different than completely different games within a given franchise. -- ferret (talk) 21:36, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Hello, Gamekult says it sold above 24 million copies. Quand nous chanterons (talk) 21:48, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
 * That's reporting the same figures already covered above by the Playstation blog. -- ferret (talk) 00:44, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
 * According to that link, if you minus the 8.4 million sales directly attributed to Forbidden West you'd be on 24.3 million. Then assuming an absolutely astronomical 50% attach rate for PSVR2 owners buying Call of the Mountain, you'd still have 24 million. Although reported sales for Call of the Mountain are much less. So it would make the list. But I don't know what the criteria is for how solid a number has to be to make this list, so I get it, just seemed to me like a premature take down while figures are a little unclear. Nich Hustler (talk) 00:32, 5 July 2024 (UTC)
 * With 24 million as the current list cutoff, unverifiable and unclear figures should be removed. WP:V. -- ferret (talk) 01:00, 5 July 2024 (UTC)

Astro's Playroom
Astro's Playroom has sold 50 million bundled copies:

PS5 Hits 50 Million Sold, November 2023 Was Best Month In PlayStation History For Console Sales

"With the PS5 selling 50 million units, that also means the pack-in game Astro's Playroom has shifted at least that many copies as well"

2A00:23C6:1EA9:3C01:41D:5940:7439:F1A (talk) 20:16, 18 June 2024 (UTC)


 * as the source states, "With the PS5 selling 50 million units, that also means the pack-in game Astro's Playroom has shifted at least that many copies as well, it seems." Means that they are presuming the sales, not confirming. Kazama16 (talk) 18:42, 29 June 2024 (UTC)

IS WIKIPEDIA THIS INACCURATE?
I find it disappointing that something THIS far off base which anyone can do a quick google search on and see 20 top ten lists from 20 reputable sources, all of which would be the same, is on wikipedia. Old wikipedia, sure. But i thought things were vetted now. Makes me rethink using Wikipedia at all. Wow. 2601:541:E01:7D60:14:4CF:B7F:17A3 (talk) 14:07, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Please specify what changes you think should be made to the article. Pre  fall  14:10, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
 * i'm not good with editing wikipedia pages, but the terraria developers have released updated sales stats saying the game has sold 58.7 million copies now which would put it at number 8
 * source is the june state of the game article on the forums: https://forums.terraria.org/index.php?threads/terraria-state-of-the-game-june-2024.136658/
 * if someone better at editing than me can update it that would be nice TerrariaFan105600 (talk) 17:48, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Done. Pre  fall  18:15, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 June 2024
Please change the number of sales for Terraria from 44,500,000 to 58,700,000.

The developer has released this number in a post today (2024-06-27; 2024-06-27): https://forums.terraria.org/index.php?threads/terraria-state-of-the-game-june-2024.136658/

Quote: "Thanks to the support of Terrarians everywhere, we are very proud to share that Terraria has surpassed 58 million units sold - 58.7m to be more exact, with nearly 32m from PC alone!" 2A02:2454:7D9C:5400:946F:D214:8D03:A508 (talk) 18:14, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
 * ✅ Pre  fall  18:15, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Blazing fast, thank you! 2A02:2454:7D9C:5400:946F:D214:8D03:A508 (talk) 18:21, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

Why Top 50?
I am curious why Wikipedia chose to stop the list at 50 entries. I get that you have to stop somewhere, but why was 50 chosen to be that number? Why not 100 or 200 or 1000 or any other number? In the era of retro games, when games didn't sell as well and it was rare for a game to sell so many copies that it would hit this list, 50 may have seemed like a good stopping point. But in this past quarter-century, games have gotten a lot bigger as a medium and a sales driver, and as such, more games are being made that deserve recognition. 50 seems like an awfully small number for the current market. --172.88.48.178 (talk) 21:10, 30 June 2024 (UTC)


 * this has been talked about several times but i do agree that it should change but maybe to like 20 million sales is the cut off 2601:2C4:C900:460:4B9:729C:C24A:7D4B (talk) 19:56, 8 July 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 2 July 2024
I request that The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim be added to the list of best-selling video games of all time as according to multiple sources and a quick Google search, that game across all platforms and re-releases since its November 2011 has sold roughly 60+ million copies as of June 2023. Isaacbeeby8 (talk) 05:55, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: See previous conversations on this talk page regarding Skyrim. Ligaturama (talk) 07:32, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

Horizon Zero Dawn
Horizon Zero Dawn had sold 24.3 million units by April 2023, which means it should be on this list, considering Hogwarts Legacy is on this list and it has sold 24 million units. 2A00:23C6:D584:5B01:1CFC:4E81:98D2:B3DF (talk) 02:04, 5 July 2024 (UTC)


 * I just realised there was a previous discussion that I missed... Regardless, Horizon Zero Dawn still deserves to be on this list at a minimum of 24 million. 2A00:23C6:D584:5B01:1CFC:4E81:98D2:B3DF (talk) 02:08, 5 July 2024 (UTC)