Talk:List of id Software games

Requested move 28 July 2018

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the move request was: Not moved (non-admin closure) The Duke of Nonsense What is necessary for thee? 11:43, 4 August 2018 (UTC)

List of id Software games → List of Id Software games – Follows WP:TMRULES and matches consensus established at Talk:Id Software. I'm only doing an RM instead of moving it myself because this page reached featured status with this title. Iago Qnsi (User talk:IagoQnsi) 05:01, 28 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Procedural oppose This is putting the cart before the horse; id Software needs to be moved to the new name before this list can be moved. I suggest withdrawing this and proposing the move on that page instead.ZXCVBNM (TALK) 10:07, 28 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Oppose. There's definitely no consensus on moving id Software in that discussion, which hasn't been active in almost two years. has reverted  edits on id Software too.  soetermans . ↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK 11:14, 28 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Oppose, as per my revert on the primary article, "id Software" is the most common spelling of all and reproduced in 99.9% of all sources (with exception of those calling them "ID Software"), even if this goes against TMRULES, the exception has been established for over a decade and IMO we should just keep it. The discussion you are linking has been started by me because two years ago I thought it'd be a good idea... I was wrong and have since striked my support there, leaving only one supporter (which you couldn't call 'consensus'). 11:21, 28 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Alright, I support speedy closing this RM. I couldn't find a discussion establishing "id Software" as the proper capitalization -- the last discussion on the talk page was the one I linked to. It seems it is overwhelmingly used this way, even in news publications that would likely have strong copyediting, so I stand corrected. -- Iago Qnsi (User talk:IagoQnsi) 17:29, 28 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Support. This is exactly the same as "macy★s" and the other lower-case examples at MOS:TM. MOS:TM  cases like this. Just follow it.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼
 * Oppose' - per prior comments. The Macy's example above is nonsense. If a name or title can be easily represented using the standard character set (upper/lower case and basic punctuation) in a way which is in profound common usage, then we should represent it that way. Pedantic MOS presentations styles should never WP:ASTONISH readers and editors. The MOS serves us - not the other way around. -- Netoholic @ 11:58, 30 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Re-!vote: Procedural objection. The main article's talk page, Talk:Id Software, should probably have an RfC about this, widely advertised (at least to WT:MOSTM, WT:MOSCAPS, WT:MOSFICT, WT:MOSVG, WT:WPVG, WT:NCVG, WT:COMPANIES). If consensus concludes to use "Id" in running text, then this article would move automatically. However, moving this side article by itself – with far fewer watchers – to "Id" would have the effect of deciding the "Id" vs. "id" spelling matter for all related articles, and that seems a bit too WP:CONLEVEL-problematic to me. Especially since RM trawlers are apt to do one of two things: side by default with MOS:CAPS / MOS:TM without digging very deep, or just WP:ILIKEIT "voting" in favor of the "official" spelling, being either uaware or outright defiant of our naming conventions and other guidelines. If you see WT:Manual of Style/Trademarks, you'll find I've done some source research.  The case for "id" is weaker than it is for iPod and eBay, but it's stronger than it is for most cases of lower-cased stylization of trademarks that we'd reject out-of-hand.  At the proposed RfC, I might even weakly side with the "id" view at this point. [It's arguably a stronger case than for "k.d. lang", which is the one that really needs revisiting – RS regularly give her name as "K. D. Lang" or "K.D. Lang", including in major newspapers.]  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  01:52, 2 August 2018 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.