Talk:Osama bin Laden

Azzam's relationship with Bin Laden
Azzam's influence on Laden is lede-worthy. These are some academic sources describing a decade-long relationship between Azzam and Laden and Azzam's decisive influence on him:

From the research book Western Jihadism: A Thirty-year history (pg. 44) (pg 45)

(pg. 47)

(pg. 99)

From the book The Caravan: Abdallah Azzam and the Rise of Global Jihad

(pg. 98)

(pg. 209)

(pg. 211)

(pg. 327)

(pg. 362)

From the book "Father of Jihad:Abdullah Azzam's Jihad Ideas"]

Reference a source for this sweeping claim in the Introduction
"Bin Laden grew to become a highly influential ideologue in the Islamic world." According to who? Osama bin Laden is reviled in the Islamic world and is barely given a mention in any scholarly circle. Please add a credible source for this statement. Avahoneybrown (talk) 06:51, 29 March 2024 (UTC)


 * I re-worded the sentence in line with the citations in the body of the page. Shadowwarrior8 (talk) 21:44, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 April 2024
In the Section "Letter to the American People" the last sentence states that "TikTok began taking down videos that shared the letter." This is not accurate to any of the 5 references cited with that sentence. I have not found any official sources confirming this claim.

Please change "The letter was removed from The Guardian website after more than 20 years of being present online in the news outlet's webpage and TikTok began taking down videos that shared the letter." to The letter was removed from The Guardian website after more than 20 years of being present online in the news outlet's webpage." 2603:6081:C640:5E5:7D26:8FB2:F459:2D18 (talk) 01:07, 13 April 2024 (UTC)


 * ✅ Marcus Markup (talk) 01:43, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

“Islamic” dissident
Apologies if it’s been discussed before, but what does “Islamic” dissident mean in the lede? Do we mean Islamist? Do we mean Muslim? It strikes me as very weird phrasing. Yr Enw (talk) 06:05, 2 May 2024 (UTC)


 * I shall change the wording to "Islamist dissident" in the lead sentence. Shadowwarrior8 (talk) 12:57, 13 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Surely it should also say terrorist. I get that that term is sometimes subjective, but it’s fairly objective here. Alexanderkowal (talk) 07:45, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
 * I’d rather not, per MOS:TERRORIST Yr Enw (talk) 09:49, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
 * Is he not widely referred to as a terrorist in global media, not just American? Even Gaddafi called him a terrorist. Alexanderkowal (talk) 09:53, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
 * You’ve probably got a good case for it, and if other editors agree, then that trumps my own personal opinion (I am against using the word in editorial voice at all), so it’s up to you if you want to try to get consensus on it. Yr Enw (talk) 13:41, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
 * It’s more about reflecting a wide array of sources and if the bbc doesn’t label him a terrorist, considering it’s usually quite western centric in its foreign reporting, I don’t think there’s much of a case for it. I suppose we could look at academic sources Alexanderkowal (talk) 13:54, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
 * To be fair, the BBC's obituary for him doesn't call him a terrorist. Alexanderkowal (talk) 09:59, 17 May 2024 (UTC)
 * BBC is a Left Wing Islamist Source, ofcourse it doesn't. 2405:201:C05C:830:F4E0:11B0:BC6A:47AD (talk) 13:54, 27 May 2024 (UTC)
 * You’re WP:NOTHERE, get off Facebook and talk to people Alexanderkowal (talk) 14:45, 27 May 2024 (UTC)

Change the DOA date
It was may 1 2011 when his death was announced, not may 2nd as labeled. Use this video as reference, it was just after midnight during the announcement but the DOD was in-fact on 05/01/2011 File:President Obama on Death of Osama bin Laden.ogv Zlanning (talk) 03:55, 29 June 2024 (UTC)


 * Corroborated by AP ꧁ Zanahary ꧂ 07:40, 29 June 2024 (UTC)