Talk:WWE SmackDown vs. Raw 2009

Non-playable list
Why exactly is it in the article? Many video games have characters that you can't play as, but that doesn't mean we need to list them. Look at just about any video game article: there is NOT non-playable lists. As I looked at other wrestling articles: they have them as well. Non-playables in wrestling games don't instantly trump other articles. So I'm stating this now: the list isn't notable. If you want a full character list, go to a video game speciality site. RobJ1981 (talk) 19:19, 16 November 2008 (UTC)]
 * How long until you try to change the roster into prose?

Are you happy now? I put the list of NPC's up in the first place because people kept on adding Hornswoggle to the roster but now since you've deemed the list "trivia" and "cruft" and removed it for no good reason, people are just going to constantly add him to the roster. DoomahX (talk) 23:31, 17 November 2008 (UTC)DoomahX
 * Here comes the yearly RobJ1981 Smackdown vs. Raw video game edit war. Where's my popcorn? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.127.40.56 (talk) 23:55, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Edit
Just wanted to let you know that I updated the article. I deleted the DLC section for a couple of reasons. The first reason was that it was poorly written (seemed like a child wrote it). The second reason was that it was already in the Online Features section. Jayharper2009 (talk) 01:22, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Good call. --Kaizer13 (talk) 02:55, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Ive edited the sound track listing from "Blood simple" to the corrent name of the band "Bloodsimple" —Preceding unsigned comment added by Markpellican (talk • contribs) 00:26, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

"Unconfirmed" DLC Superstars?
Maybe I didn't find the source confirming they "might" appear, but if they're unconfirmed, why are they even listed at all? Sounds like OR or wishful thinking to me. Other opinions? Spartan198 (talk) 00:03, 24 November 2008 (UTC) Spartan198

Yes, I am quite skeptical as well. Does whoever made the new additions to the rosters have any proof of the announcement? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tweak95 (talk • contribs)
 * C'mon, use your common sense? That's basically the entire roster right there in that edit. No chance that's gonna happen. I mean, if you think about it it's really not that hard to separate likely facts from completely laughable edits like that one. --Kaizer13 (talk) 22:52, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

Superstars like Dlo Brown R-Truth and Vladimir Kozlov deserve to be in the game. So that's why I put them on there hopefully THQ will see and they will make character models
 * Deservant or no, you can't add someone who has not been 100% confirmed here. And there's little to no chance that THQ will ever read that. --Kaizer13 (talk) 14:50, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm just sain that they deserve too be in there and THQ is probably already on the character models —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.233.98.169 (talk) 15:17, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

Theres no way the will be on it since they came back while the advirtisments were on tv about the game.


 * Don't be an idiot, of course they'll be available in the DLC, especially Kozlov. He's a Main Eventer, they won't leave him out. Use some common sense, they wouldn't not add him because he signed his contract before the game was released, and THQ have already confirmed that they'll be updating it until the release of '10.--92.8.150.156 (talk) 20:07, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

It doesn't matter how much YOU think they deserve to be on the game. If there not on the game from the start Wikipedia will not add them. If some one reads this article and sees Koslov on the roster and goes out and buys the game and hes not on it, it gives Wikipedia a bad name. 69.34.111.9 (talk) 23:40, 15 December 2008 (UTC)JJ

That is right and please here me out boss,  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.233.98.169 (talk) 01:58, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

Other player modes
I think someone should put in the different types of a superstar, for example, triple h - triple h dx, santino marella - santino marella zombie... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kalajan (talk • contribs) 19:27, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
 * No man, WP isn't a game guide. It's just supposed to list the characters in the game...a different attire doesn't automatically create a new character. No dice. --Kaizer13 (talk) 22:49, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

Notable?
Is it really notable that the Rock isn't in SvR09? I don't see any mention of Steve Austin not being in the original SvR or Mick Foley not being in SYM. $\mathfrak{s}\mathfrak{a}\mathfrak{v}\mathfrak{i}\mathfrak{o}\mathfrak{r}$ $\mathfrak{s}\mathfrak{e}\mathfrak{l}\mathfrak{f}$$\mathfrak{.}$$\mathfrak{7}\mathfrak{7}\mathfrak{7}$ 03:34, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

Remove —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.156.26.227 (talk) 05:03, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

Well, I too question the notability, but it is true that he's been in every one except this game, which breaks a "trend" in the games if you will, and that's what relates it to this article. --92.8.150.156 (talk) 20:09, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Current Downloadable Content in Article
I do not see a reference for a published article saying Super Crazy, Dibiase, and Haas will be DLC.

Is there anything proving this? Otherwise they need to be deleted because they are purely speculation, therfore should not be in the article. And I now HIGHLY doubt Super Crazy will be in now since he has since been released, even if he now has a model. 67.53.232.15 (talk) 02:10, 10 December 2008 (UTC)Jay S
 * See the source provided in the footnote section? Next. --Kaizer13 (talk) 02:25, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

Looks like Super Crazy is no longer coming. From this: the first DLC pack will be Evan Bourne, Charlie Haas, Ted DiBiase, and an alternate attire for Chris Jericho for 400 point on the 360. No mention of PS3 cost. --68.46.124.81 (talk) 20:40, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Some downloadable content according to wwe.com is here.  FaithLehaneThe  Vampire  Slayer  21:00, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

Hey Wiki, I just read on www.wwe.com that they have added Evan Bourne, Charlie Haas, Ted Dibiase JR and an alternate costume for Chris Jericho on XBox LIVE market place. It will cost 400 microsoft points. So far there calling it Download Pack 1. Jonathanmbarnes (talk) 23:46, 15 December 2008 (UTC)  Heres the link http://www.wwe.com/inside/news/sdvsraw09/dlc/

I think Download Pack 1 info should be added to the DLC section. It is confirmed by WWE.com and is important info. Diablosbomb (talk) 09:56, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Hey wiki, just letting you know WWE has added new content to the DCL section. Masked Kane - playable Superstar Kelly Kelly - Christmas-themed attire Maria - Christmas-themed attire Edge - alternate attire MVP - alternate attire http://www.wwe.com/inside/news/sdvsraw09/dlc/Jonathanmbarnes (talk) 01:23, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

Well just so you guys know, super crazy is in the game and deserves to be mentioned. I would know because i downloaded the pack todayShaq4evr (talk) 03:14, 9 January 2009 (UTC)


 * That may or may not be true, but until we have a WP:RS saying so, we can't add it. Firestorm (talk) 03:32, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

Check out this
Link to image I'm just saying, it could be mentioned. The Master Of All Wolves (talk) 14:09, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
 * What could be mentioned? I have even clicked on the link and it looks to be nothing more of somebody's CAW just from the URL.  Hazardous   Matt   20:00, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I took the liberty of modifying your link so it doesn't cause the formatting of the page to go nuts in some browsers.  Hazardous   Matt   20:05, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

Personally I am disgusted with THQ for not releasing DLC for the 360 yet —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.233.98.169 (talk) 12:32, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Picture of Masked Man/Tony on WCW means nothing
The player changed it. If you actually have the game, then you know they're on RAW when you unlock them. It's best to just class them as "Other," since they're not actual superstars. But they're RAW if anything. Maxwell7985 (talk) 22:19, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

That's also right.  Kala  jan   20:59, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

Hornswoggle should be listed
While I agree all those NPCs unlocked via cheat devices should NOT be listed, I believe Hornswoggle SHOULD be, because he is an unlockable manager who is a part of the game's normal lineup. It doesn't require a cheat device. Maxwell7985 (talk) 20:00, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree with him. Hornswoggle isn't one of those non-player characters you have to "step beyond the bounds the games were designed to follow" to be able to use. He's an unlockable manager, and he was also advertised for the game. --Kaizer13 (talk) 23:09, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

I too agree, but I don't think he's in ECW, he should be in "Other", as in the game on "My WWE" he isn't listed.  Kala  jan   15:07, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

DLC Release Date
Can I just mention that in the article, it says the DLC pack 1 was released on the 8th January on the PS3 Network, however I happen to own the PS3 PAL version and it is not yet available, can anyone confirm this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.144.126.25 (talk) 01:06, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

Ive been waiting as well for the version to be ready on XBOX Live and its still net ready. 69.34.111.9 (talk) 17:25, 16 January 2009 (UTC)Jonathan

A new dlc will be released this thursday, if anyone wants to put it in heres the link im bad at adding new content so if someone else can add it Shaq4evr (talk) 14:54, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

Protection
I need all this vandalism to stop or I will requested for a protection-semiprotection, whatever, just stop.  ←Kala  jan→   16:07, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
 * You don't WP:OWN (Own) this article, so don't infer that you do.-- TRU    CO   17:08, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Of course I don't, but there are IP's here and there and running across the banister's and they keep on vandalizing, do you find that normal?  ←Kala  jan→   17:17, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
 * What did I say?  ←Kala  jan→   17:24, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
 * That's not vandalism, its an unsourced claim.-- TRU    CO   18:33, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
 * It's vandalism rock-hard, for either the guy has the game and is stupid, or he's vandalizing.  ←Kala  jan→   18:36, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Dont WP:ATTACK (attack) other users, its not vandalism because he made a good faith edit which is an unsourced claim, if it continues I will seek protection for unsourced claims (not vandalism)-- TRU    CO   18:42, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
 * See, it wasn't an attack, and it wasn't good faith, for it was removed this very morning.  ←Kala  jan→   18:55, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Kalajan, it's kinda obvious that you attacked the IP, and that the IP was making a good faith edit edit. Vandalism would be the following:"Super crazy sucks." That's not what the IP wrote.  Simon KSK  19:06, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I did use the term either?...  ←Kala  jan→   19:26, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
 * And? That's just making excuses.  Simon KSK  20:28, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
 * So, I didn't attack him, if I had, Kaizer13 would've been blocked indef about 3y's ago.  ←Kala  jan→   20:29, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
 * What does he have to do with this? The point is, you did not assume good faith.  Simon KSK  20:38, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

Super Crazy
I don't know what to do with this guy. I have the game on the ps3. When i downloaded the dlc off the playstation store super crazy became a character. What would i need to add him to the list of characters? I know this isn't a proper source but you can tell that it's not user created. how else would they have the video, and the announcer's info? (I'm not the ip address that keeps adding him)Shaq4evr (talk) 20:59, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
 * You'd add him in dlc and in the roster with one of the little letters next to it.  ←Kala  jan→   21:06, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Then what do i do if someone deletes him and says he is unsourced?Shaq4evr (talk) 21:32, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Uhh, find a real reliable source? It's WWE's fault really, for not giving people the right information on their site. --Kaizer13 (talk) 21:35, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Just ask on yahoo or whatever, actually don't, yah, get a source, I hve to agree with Kaizer here.  ←Kala  jan→   21:37, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

Continued vandalism
Okay I'm fed up, is this? No, I'm requesting full protection.  ←Kala  jan→   13:43, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I've requested semi protection. Full protection is not needed as there are not autoconfirmed users vandalising. D.M.N. (talk) 13:47, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
 * It was considered a test edit by the editor who reversed it, and I don't see enough IP edits to warrant page protection for this article at this time. Reverting test edits and vandalism is a way of life here on WP, get used to it.  ArcAngel (talk) 13:48, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Drop the tone ArcAngel, what I do is for the good of wikipedia. The IP's are here and there and running across the banisters and it's been going on for too long. The page protection has been requested, and there isn't really anything to add.  ←Kala  jan→   13:54, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
 * No tone was intended - and most of us are here for the same reasons, but in all fairness you came in here complaining about the continued vandalism, did you not? I learned a long time ago to not let it get to me, or the best of me.  ArcAngel (talk) 14:23, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes I did. I'll see what the admin says.  ←Kala  jan→   14:33, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Next time you wish to request full protection (or semi), go to WP:RFPP. D.M.N. (talk) 14:37, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh, okay.  ←Kala  jan→   14:43, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Do not protect it, I think this is the only non-protected article there is here. Mecha13 (talk) 12:35, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Well after the last vandalism it may be a good idea to protect it Shaq4evr (talk) 23:33, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

FYI, the protection request was declined. ArcAngel (talk) 03:26, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

Discussion about Hornswoogle at Video Game project talk page
Since I was fed up with people not realizing Hornswoogle is NOT notable for the article, I've created this discussion: Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Video_games. Feel free to comment there. RobJ1981 (talk) 00:19, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
 * This discussion has led to the removal of the roster lists as well, which should generally be accepted. See the above discussion per reasons why.-- TRU    CO   22:31, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

That discussion was a few people chatting about what they thought these articles should include, and is a far cry from a legitimate RFC, much less an accepted revision to the guidelines. You're proposing a significant change to what has been the longstanding status quo on these articles; and instead of going through traditional Wikipedia channels, a few people are sparking an edit war based on a brief chat that began less than a week ago. Take a look at WP:OWN and chill out, and let's see what other folks think about the idea. Bag of Carrots (talk) 07:35, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
 * If you take a look at the above discussion, VG users have stated why rosters should be avoided per their guidelines.-- TRU  CO   14:58, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

Roster list
I am finally coming out of whatever rock I was living under for the last year or so to give my thoughts on this situation. I think that the roster should be in. Someone made a point that it shouldn't be in because the NFL games don't list their rosters. Thing is, this is a bit different. WWE is not a sport, its entertainment. And their game isn't a sports game, its a fighting game. Many people use Wikipedia as their source for research on stuff like games, like to find out the list of characters in a fighting game. I think the roster should be re-added because its essentially a list of characters in a video game, and if we were to remove the list here, we would need to remove the lists on every single fighting game that has ever been released, which would be a whole big mess of things, and would contradict Wikipedia's message as being a place to find information. And if people are going to say "this is simply an encyclopedia" then they are wrong as Wikipedia has evolved into much more than that, and if we try to bring it down to an encyclopedia, its never going to be at the same level as Encyclopedia Britannica or even be as respected or usable as a source in colleges and high schools. I just feel this is a whole slippery slope we're going on and I don't see how leaving a list of characters violates any policy on Wikipedia, as we're simply informing people what the list of characters are. Its the same as listing main cast members in a movie, as once again, if we remove the list here, we gotta go into the cast lists for every movie and remove them too. One article shouldn't get special treatment over another. Just my thoughts.  Jลмєs Mลxx ™  Msg me  11:15, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Please discuss this at WT:VG, this is the best place to work a consensus because this applies to many articles on Wikipedia.-- TRU CO   503  16:12, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

Yes, that is true, if there can't be a roster list, then what's the point of having any other character lists on wikipedia. we should revert the roster list altogether since there has been no changes or removes for previous SmackDown vs. Raw games. i think it's the right thing to do for this game, because isn't the summary on the roster section just saying that there are characters from the game, and it also says that there are continuing releases of superstars on the roster list. so, it seems that the roster could expand, so by removing it is considered to be vandalism. Enough said! Ferrari-gt 9:39, 8 February 2009
 * The roster lists of other articles have been removed, some of them from my knowledge. Other character lists are exempt from this.-- TRU CO   503  03:40, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

Why are other character lists exempt from deletion, but a WWE roster list is not, when its simply a list of characters, just like in Tekken, Street Fighter, Mortal Kombat, and all that? I think that this is somewhat a bit of hypocrisy as we're saying that this fighting video game is not in the same league as other fighting games, and thus makes it a biased article just by not having a list of characters in this video game. -- Jลмєs Mลxx ™  Msg me  06:03, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

No list of characters? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.189.105.32 (talk) 00:59, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

What happened, why is there a list now? i thought a consensus was reached? and why aren't people sourcing? AHHHHHHShaq4evr (talk) 01:08, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
 * You are correct, consensus was established not to include the roster. Chelo61 re-added it recently. I don't know why he did this; he knows very well that he shouldn't have. He was reported months ago for edit warring over the article, so I Undid it just now. Firestorm  Talk 02:49, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

patch
any mention of that? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.156.145.194 (talk) 22:53, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

SVR for late 2009
I can't find any article about the next SVR game for home consoles after SVR2009. Is there any planning for the next game in the series? If there is, I hope the article for the game will be created asap... --Rimara (talk) 12:28, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Once it is announced the page will be created, Wikipedia is not a crystal ball. Darrenhusted (talk) 10:03, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

This page is for inprovement for This article not another (SvR2010)--09nick (talk) 21:21, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Exciting Pro Wrestling 10
I know that Exciting Pro Wrestling 9 directs to WWE SmackDown vs. Raw 2008, does anyone know if this was ever called EPW10 in Japan? I know Yuke's is still developing it but no Japanese release date is listed. Ranze (talk) 01:05, 17 January 2015 (UTC)

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