User:Orygun/Archive1

WikiProject Oregon invitation Welcome!

Hello,, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Please sign your messages on discussion pages using four tildes ( ~ ); this will automatically insert your username and the date. If you need help, check out Questions, ask me on, or ask your question and then place  before the question on your talk page. Again, welcome! Katr67 05:26, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Bernard Daly‎
Nice work on the Daly article! And welcome to WPORE! Katr67 21:38, 14 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Katr67: Thanks--great to be part of wiki-team! Have couple Q's if you have time--first, what's protocal for answering mail like your note above?  Do I answer here or go to your user-page? If I answer here, how do I let you know something is posted for you?  If it there, how do I put answer in context so you know what I'm responding to?  Second, still can't figure out how to insert category tags at bottom of article.  Can you give me scrip to lay in categories (e.g. "Catagories: Oregon/North American Geography").  Finally, is ther list of commonly used Oregon-related categories?--Orygun 02:33, 15 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Hi. Good questions. See Talk page for some talk page protocol. (note at the time I left this message, a vandal had moved the page, so things might look a little weird). There's no hard and fast rule. Personally I answer pretty randomly. Some people like conversations all on one page, but if you respond on the other person's talk page, they'll get that little orange bar letting them know they got a new message. Sometimes I'll respond on my own talk page and leave a short post on the other page so they get the orange alert bar. If I leave someone a note, I generally watchlist their page for a while to see if I get an answer. And if I respond on the other page, I'll generally link in the header which article I'm talking about, some people add "Re:" or a link to the question on the other talk page. Category tags look something like this [[:Category:Geography of Oregon]] and a full list is on the front page of the WikiProject Oregon page in a tree format. If you don't know the exact category you need, try adding a broad category, like Category:Geography, click on it and search around in there for a subcategory that would be a better fit. If you try adding a category and it's a redlink (because it's one that doesn't exist), but it's reasonably close to one that does exist, someone might come along and fix it for you. I'm pretty familiar with the Oregon-related ones that are available, so I try to take care of this on the articles I run across. I hope that helps! Katr67 06:52, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

Copyright rules for very old photos
Would like to understand copyright rules for several specific cases. First case....photo is potrait of long-dead public figure. The individual died in 1920 so photo was obviously taken before 1923. I found the image on internet, but I have also seen it on a book cover and number of other places. Are there any restrictions on use of this image? Can I upload it to Wiki-Commons? Second case....I have number of original photos take in China between 1915 and 1945. I did not take them, but I inherited them so the original hard-copies are my property. What copyright rule apply, if any? --Orygun 05:29, 12 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Copyright law is a bit peculiar: you can own the original physical copy of something without owning the copyright. What's the history of the China photos: who took them, for what purpose, and have they been published anywhere?


 * As for the pre-1920 photo: is it reasonably likely that the photo was published before 1923? --Carnildo 07:21, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Pre-1920 photo is of State official; probably his official portrait. It was published in a local news paper obituary on 8 Jan 1920. China photos were taken by my grandfather who was U.S. diplomat in China. They are personal photos; however, many were taken while traveling on Gov business. There are few photos of him so he obviously didn't take those, but they were clearly taken with his camera. Photos have never been published. Among the photos is one formal portrait. It could be official State Dept portrait photo; however, there is no photographers label on front or back.--Orygun 19:11, 12 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Sounds like they're all useable, then. The pre-1920 photo is in the public domain in the United States, and you appear to have the rights to do what you want to with your grandfather's photos. --Carnildo 08:08, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Regarding my grandfathers China photos which you say are mine to release; I uploaded one of the images (Image:Ernest B. Price.JPG) and was notified I need to add a tag. The image is either mine as discussed above or copy of official Government portrait--either way, it should be releasable. However, image was hit with "No Tag" notice. I've tried 3 time to add tag, but w/o success. Really don't care how image is classifed just want to get it tagged so it can be used. What do I do?--Orygun (talk) 03:13, 19 November 2007 (UTC)


 * If your grandfather took the photos then he owned the copyright; It seems unlikely that you would have inherited the hard copies without also inheriting the copyright. You would tag the pre-1923 one with, the others (that you own the copyright on) can be any free -self license like , , etc.—Random832 19:49, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
 * oh, and any that were official works of the US government are .—Random832 19:51, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

DYK nomination

 * ... that the surrender of Japanese troops in China was first announced in a Chinese language by Dr. Ernest B. Price in October 1945? by Orygun

OK? Victuallers (talk) 17:03, 24 November 2007 (UTC) ps: Why are you not using the "references/" tag? Is your approach preferred or are you unaware of this bit of wiki?

Victuallers: Tried to highlight relevant cross-references, but it's hard to catch them all. Regarding these 2 topics: Chinese languages was highlighted in first paragraph of Ernest B. Price article so don't think it's necessary here; wasn't aware that Japanese troops would hit reference so that's good addition. Am still learning wiki-rules.--Orygun (talk) 23:36, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

...hmm maybe I'm taking your knowledge for granted. DYK stands for "Did you lnow". On the bottom left of the main wikipedia page is the DYK section. Your excellent article will be advertised there with the "hook" above in next 2-3 days. I hope I'm not teaching you the obvious... and you are finding my assistance helpful rather than annoying Victuallers (talk) 16:25, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Victuallers: Have ~30 days experience as wikipedian--so still have lot to learn about wiki-universe. DNK ("Did Not Know") about DYK section, but it was very nice to have article highlighted there--thanks for nomination and DYK info.--Orygun (talk) 01:15, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Charles D. Metcalf
Hi. I've nominated Charles D. Metcalf, an article you worked on, for consideration to appear on the Main Page as part of Did you know. You can see the hook for the article at Template talk:Did you know, where you can improve it if you see fit. Black Falcon (Talk) 08:44, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Very cool--thanks for nominating my Charles D. Metcalf article!--Orygun (talk) 18:51, 16 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks for writing it! :) Black Falcon (Talk) 18:51, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Official photo of state legislator
Found photo of former Oregon state legislator on Oregon Congressman Earl Blumenauer's web-site Earl Blumenauer for Oregon. Legislator I'm interested in served in Oregon House of Reps from 1965-1977 and dead in 1984. Photo appears to be official photo probably from Oregon Blue Book (e.g. Members of Oregon House of Representatives) before Blue Books were published on-line. Blue Book is published by Oregon Secretary of State as part of the Oregon State Archives. What is status of state archive photos? Are they Public Domain like US Government photos? If not, can such photos be used in Wikipedia under Fair Use rule? It looks like they probably meet Fair Use criterion.--Orygun (talk) 02:25, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Complicated see User:Peteforsyth/leg Megapixie (talk) 03:32, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Submitted above query to Media copyright questions; Megapixie suggested you might be able to help with answer.--Orygun (talk) 04:32, 2 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Orygun, thanks for asking…at present, the Oregon Blue Book appears to claim copyright for such images, but it's unclear whether they are actually able to do so. Seems that all of Wikipedia has been operating under the assumption that such images are not public domain. Hopefully that is incorrect, but if so, it's going to take some work to make that determination. I don't think there would be any problem using the photo under fair use in the subject's article, since the subject is no longer alive.
 * Also, thanks for the link to Media copyright questions. I wasn't aware of that page, it will be very useful! Good luck, and be sure to let us know if you learn anything interesting on the subject. -Pete (talk) 07:47, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

FYI. Here's image use policy for at least part of here collection (see text below Sample Images). Says: ...images displayed in Oregon Historical County Records Guide may be used free of charge without permission provided photo credit shown below is given....cite photos used from Oregon Historical County Records Guide as: Gary Halvorson, Oregon State Archives.... Seems like these archive photos may be avail for use as req'd.--Orygun (talk) 03:05, 3 January 2008 (UTC)


 * That link is very helpful, thank you! I don't know how I missed that, I looked hard for something like that a while back. I suspect that, since the policy claims that the OSA retains control over the work, and doesn't mention derivative works, it's unfortunately probably not good enough for WP's high standards. But, this will be an excellent foundation for asking a pointed question. (In addition to OSA works, I'm wondering about the works of the Legislative Services Committee, such as . More to check into…) -Pete (talk) 09:22, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Need Fair Use review of photo
Have uplaoded (Image:Sam Johnson.jpg) and need senior editors review for Fair Use tag. Rationale is included in upload notes. Prior to uploading photo I discussed rationale with Megapixie on this page and was referred to Peteforsyth who said: "...I don't think there would be any problem using the photo under fair use in the subject's article..." Senior editor review and tag would be appriciated.--Orygun (talk) 21:53, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm not the most senior editor in this area (as a rule of thumb, if User:Megapixie says one thing and I say another, I'm definitely wrong), but I would say that your fair use rationale is definitely okay. The only question is whether or not it's even needed, given that it may be in the public domain. Sarcasticidealist (talk) 04:41, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

How do I replace current "see senior editor" tag with approp tag--to be conservative, lets say Fair Use tag?--Orygun (talk) 02:21, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

OK, think I fixed it. Would you check Image:Sam Johnson.jpg to see if I got it right?--Orygun (talk) 03:35, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

As the license being used calls for a fair use rationale, I changed the information template to a fair use template Dbiel (Talk) 04:31, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks!--Orygun (talk) 02:53, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Deleting Image
Help! I hit upload button for Image:NCO Map.png before I was finished entering input info. Tried to fix it, but it just adds new entry and incomplete tag remains. Can someone tell me how to delete imgage so I can start again. Image is map I created myself using background from another map already in Wiki Commons.--Orygun (talk) 01:12, 7 January 2008 (UTC)


 * If you add to the images in question, they'll be deleted fairly quickly by administrators.  In the alternative, you can simply edit the input info in the pages by clicking "edit this page" at the top, just like for an article. Sarcasticidealist (talk) 04:38, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks!--Orygun (talk) 02:23, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Cape Perpetua
I knew if I procrastinated long enough someone would take this off my to-do list! I cleaned up Devils Churn one day and never did get around to it Great job.Awotter (talk) 09:36, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

Summer Lake, Oregon
Well written article, good job! Basketball one ten  01:36, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Vandalism
Is there a procedure for reporting vandalism? One of those numbered users inserted some garbage into Fisher House Foundation article. It isn't related to Oregon, but am not sure how/where to report vandalism problem. I reversed the chgs--now what next? Any advice would be appriciated.--Orygun (talk) 05:07, 30 January 2008 (UTC)


 * WP:VANDAL should answer most of your questions. Basically, there's no need to "report" most instances of vandalism; rather, just issue a warning on the user's "talk page." If the user is persistent, the number of warnings will add up, and only if there's a major problem is there a need to report it to an administrator and seek a block or other remedy. (The best way to report a first-time vandal is with {{subst:uw-vandal1|Page name}} or {{subst:uw-vandal2|Page name}}. Hope this helps! -Pete (talk) 05:30, 30 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Orygun: You did good.  Removing the vandalism is top priority—as soon as you see it.  If you're up for it, look at his contributions and talk page to see if there is a pattern of recent vandalism.  If not, it's acceptable to do nothing more.  But if it's blatant and intentional vandalism, you ought to warn him (which doubles as a count of notches toward blocking him).  Researching history and warning are much easier to perform if your popups gadget is enabled.  (see Special:Preferences  |  Gadgets  |  Navigation popups)  To simplify issuing warnings (and other useful features), see twinkle which you can enable with a simple edit to your account.  If the user was recently given a final warning, by all means, report them to WP:AIV (Administrator intervention against vandalism).  That is also much easier to do correctly and successfully with twinkle.  —EncMstr 06:11, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Pete(talk): This particular litter bug looks like junior high kid. Posted warning--thanks for your help with code for warning banner. EncMstr: Saw you followed up and found another vandalized article. Seemed like odd combination of sites to hit--obsure Hungarian painter and American non-profit foundation. In any case, thanks for your help as well.--Orygun (talk) 03:11, 31 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Vandals tend to hit the "random article" button and vandalize whatever they find there. Checking a vandal's contribs is always a helpful thing to do if you have the time. For advanced vandal-fighting, I will check the "whois" link on the IP user page and often find out the vandals *are* schoolkids. There are even templates you can add to the talk page showing the IP is from a school. Those IPs may get blocked faster if there is a school IP notice posted. Thanks for helping out! Katr67 (talk) 18:18, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Disputed fair use rationale for Image:Fisher House logo.JPEG
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If it is determined that the image does not qualify under fair use, it will be deleted within a couple of days according to our criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the media copyright questions page. Thank you.BetacommandBot (talk) 19:45, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Corrected WP:NFCC violation
Used are Fisher House logo (Image:Fisher House logo.JPEG) under Fair Use rationale for article on Fisher House Foundation. However, in justifation box, article cited was "Fisher House" vice "Fisher House Foundation". As result, there was no direct link to article using image. Have corrected this so there is now direct link to article using logo image. This elimates WP:NFCC violation. Believe rest of my Fair Use justificcation is complete/appropriate. Request speedy review of Image:Fisher House logo.JPEG by senior editor. Thanks!--Orygun (talk) 02:11, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
 * ✅ Megapixie (talk) 06:33, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

James H. Douglas, Jr.
Hi Orygun — just to let you know, I've nominated your recent article in the "Did You Know?" column. The fact I have suggested is:

Did you know that after spending a year as Assistant Secretary to the Treasury under Franklin D. Roosevelt, James H. Douglas, Jr. left Federal Government and founded a committee opposing Roosevelt’s monetary policies?

The suggestion is currently on the pending list here — hopefully it will be successful! Hassocks5489 (talk) 23:29, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Cool....thanks!--Orygun (talk) 02:24, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Old Buildings and Pictures
Greetings from WP:WikiProject Oregon. Blah blah blah. This week we have our semi-annual Picture Drive and a article creation drive for the NRHP List. For the picture drive, go take a picture, or find a free use one (lots of links to gov sites above) and upload it Wikipedia. For the National Register of Historic Places, find a red link on the main Oregon list or one of the county lists at start a new article. If its more than just a stub, don’t forget to nominate it for a DYK! Once again, to opt out or suggest future collaborative efforts, click here. Aboutmovies (talk) 20:02, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

DYK: Santiam State Forest
Hi. I've nominated Santiam State Forest, an article you worked on, for consideration to appear on the Main Page as part of Did you know. You can see the hook for the article at Template talk:Did you know, where you can improve it if you see fit. Thanks, PFHLai (talk) 09:13, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

And, if you could add the inline citations to the article, providing the refs for Santiam State Forest being "the largest single block of state-owned forest land in the Cascades", that would be great. too. Many thanks. --PFHLai (talk) 09:18, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

DYK: 3/14

 * I think that makes 3 Oregon related DYKs, so just two more and you get the WPOR DYK bronze! Great job. Aboutmovies (talk) 23:06, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Mitchell Recreation Area, was selected for DYK!
Thanks for your contributions! Nishkid (talk) 04:23, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

March 14 OR COTW
Hello again or welcome if you are new to WP:WikiProject Oregon! Last week we did a picture drive and a NRHP creation drive. It’s hard to track the picture results, but I know I saw quite a few pictures added, so great job. With NRHP we added 7 that I saw: Mitchell Recreation Area, Salem First United Methodist Church, Portland City Hall, Crater Lake Lodge, Central Library (Portland, Oregon), Watchman Lookout Station, and Alvin T. Smith House; with most now nominated for DYK’s! So great work everybody.

This week, its back to stubs with one of the largest newspapers in the state, The Register-Guard, and a request with Oregon Coast. Feel free to help with either one, and the paper article is so short a DYK should be pretty easy to get (just need 5X expansion). As always, to opt out, opt in, or suggest future collaborative efforts, click here. Aboutmovies (talk) 19:00, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Sinnott Building pages copied to Commons
Hi, Orygun! I was just setting about responding to your question when your "please disregard" note came in. Seriously, your timing was on to within a couple of seconds there! Anyhow, I'm glad you got a satisfactory explanation. I'm an advocate of loading free-use images to the Commons - I see my activities there as simply an extension of my Wikipedia work. (Yes, Ipoellet and Werewombat are one and the same. I guess I was feeling inconsistent the day I created my username at the Commons.) Your Sinnott contributions were excellent, and I encourage you to upload images to the Commons in the future where they will be as widely available as possible. I apologize that moving those pics caused confusion for you, but it seems to have worked out. I look forward to crossing paths further with you in the future! Ipoellet (talk) 04:42, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Elected Oregon
Hello fellow WikiProject Oregon folks and entities. Thanks to those who helped out with improving Vera Katz and History of Oregon during the last Collaboration of the Week! As you may have noticed, we have changed the banners a bit, but not our dedication to everything Oregon! This week, in honor of the political process, we have: Current Oregon Senate members & Current Oregon House members. Hopefully by November we can have an article on every current member of the Oregon Legislature. So feel free to turn a red link blue or expand an existing article. Since it is an election year, there should be plenty of newspaper stories. Plus, the state archives has this site that allows you to go back and see when they started serving and district info, plus at a minimum show they were a state legislator from a WP:RS. And per WP:BIO, all state legislator's are notable so no need to worry about AFD. As always, to opt out, opt in, or suggest future collaborative efforts, click here. Aboutmovies (talk) 07:53, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Munson Valley Historic District
Great job with Munson Valley Historic District article, i noticed it in the DYK pending page, was right that it included a NHL, the Crater Lake Superintendent's Residence, an article i had started. Oh, just noticing now that you developed that article too, and nicely. Hope u don't mind i made a couple small edits to the Munson Valley one. If you prefer, for the Munson Valley article, not to mention the NHL status of the residence, go ahead and remove what i added about that, I won't mind.

By the way, I am hopeful that articles for each of the sites covered by List of National Historic Landmarks in Oregon will get developed up to at least Start status, necessary to support the list itself going toward Featured List someday. Hope you will keep up the good work on Oregon places such as these.... cheers, doncram (talk) 23:01, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

NRHP text source
Browsing a few more of your articles on NRHPs, for which you got DYKs, I notice you write well and you have good sources. I don't see mention of the official NRHP inventory/nomination document in any one of them though, perhaps you don't know that you can obtain those fairly easily. I put some info at WikiProject National Register of Historic Places. These are available on-line for most NRHPs that are also National Historic Landmarks, and I make it a point to put those into most articles on NHLs. Otherwise, to get the document for any one site, send an email giving your postal address to the National Register Reference Team, nr_reference (at) nps.gov. Hope you might try this. You could do it for some sites you have already written up, and I think you will find these documents provide some additional information not available elsewhere. Thanks. doncram (talk) 23:12, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Van Duzer Corridor
FYI, I rewrote the Van Duzer article to its current state from this version, moving it to the appropriate name and noting its status as a state park. The user who started it is mostly interested in promoting the saving of forests, and may not be so much into Oregon in general... Thanks for adding the infobox. Katr67 (talk) 07:48, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Original version wasn't even good quality Stub--glad you fixed it. Guess I should have looked more carefully at article's history before encouraging more contributions from our new troop.--Orygun (talk) 23:19, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Something for the collection

 * FYI, regarding your inquiries on the WP:ORE talk page about the AlexBot and new articles, if you add the WikiProject Oregon template to the talk page without the class parameters it will show up in the Oregon unassessed category. Several people regularly check that and then assess anything in it. This way you don't have to wait for the AlexBot to update, plus as you have seen before it will occasionally miss a new article.

Thanks for DYK medal! Also, didn't know that adding wiki-Oregon banner would trigger bot to pick-up new article--will do that from now on. Thanks!--Orygun (talk) 04:21, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Assessment request
Have done number of NRHP articles--mostly places in Oregon. Put 5 articles on list for Wiki-NRHP assessment back on 5 Aug, but they haven't been reviewed yet. Does it usually take this long to get assessment or did I put request in wrong place? Would appriciate someone taking a look at them--thanks!--Orygun (talk) 01:49, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
 * FYI, generally ratings should be the same across all projects, so if WikiProject Oregon gives a certain rating, it should be same for WP:NRHP. If you don't like the assessment from WP:ORE, you could always go to Peer review. Katr67 (talk) 18:04, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Does that mean if original Wiki-project assessment doesn't mark for all the projects, I just insert same assessment on the other projects banners? Always thought it was good protocal to let someone else do assessment, but I'll do whatever is standard practice.--Orygun (talk) 01:55, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

DYK issue
You might want to check out your nomination for the fish hatchery. Aboutmovies (talk) 20:40, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Just got back from business trip so don't know what happened to fish hatchery DYK nomination. Obviously, it's too late; nevertheless, can you tell me what needed attention? I kind of rushed that article to finish before I went out of town so it probably needed better proof-reading than it got.--Orygun (talk) 23:08, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
 * The hook said trout and salmon, but the sources didn't say anything about salmon. Aboutmovies (talk) 23:35, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Second footnote source "Leaburg to Vida MP 32.7" said both trout and salmon were raised at hatchery. However, my footnote link took readers to source's home page (vice exact page with info)...something I should have fixed before releasing article.--Orygun (talk) 00:19, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

XXX<-COTW->XXX
Howdy WikiProject Oregon humans. Time for another edition of the C to the O to the T to the W. Thanks to those who help out on McNary Field and Bend’s High Desert Museum. For this week, we shall tackle Bridges on US 101 and then with the last few days of decent weather, The Semi-Annual Picture Drive. Plenty of red links on the bridge list, or improve a stub! Once again, click here to opt out of these messages, or click here to make a suggestion for a future COTW. Aboutmovies (talk) 10:00, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Elect the Best Financed, Least Offensive Person For the Job (aka Oregon COTW)
Hello fellow WikiProject Oregon folks, it’s time for another COTW. But first, just remember that those other guys only want to raise your taxes, but I won’t. A big thank you to those who helped make improvements to Bridges on US 101 and participating in The Semi-Annual Picture Drive. And unlike the other guys, I won’t ship your jobs overseas! This week, we have Mr. Bipartisan Wayne Morse who went from being a Republican to an Independent and finally to a Democrat. Then, let’s see if we can finish up creating articles for members of the Oregon House before their January inauguration. As always, click here to opt out of these messages, or click here to make a suggestion for a future COTW. I’m Aboutmovies, and I approve this message. Paid for the committee to elect Aboutmovies. Aboutmovies (talk) 19:47, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

B-day for Oregon
Hello to WikiProject Oregon peoples! Thank you to those who helped start some new articles on prisons and museums. This week, in honor of Oregon’s 150th b-day, we have the slightly older Oregon Constitution and the first state governor John Whiteaker. As always, click here to opt out of these messages, or click here to make a suggestion for a future COTW. Aboutmovies (talk) 01:12, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Willow Prairie Cabin
Shubinator (talk) 19:06, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Crook County Bank Building photo

 * Just used your Werewombat photo of File:Crook County Bank - Prineville Oregon.jpg for article on historic Crook County Bank Building and matching article on A. R. Bowman Memorial Museum that now occupies old bank building. Do you have interior short(s) of Bowman Museum by any chance--they would help finish off museum article.  Not big deal, but thought I'd ask.  In any case, thanks for posting exterior shot!--Orygun (talk) 19:18, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

You're welcome! I'm intensely glad that my pictures are of use and interest to someone else! But, no, sorry, no interior shots. The museum was closed the day I was there, and I haven't knocked myself out to go back &mdash; some of my in-laws live in Prineville, after all... Ipoellet (talk) 19:27, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Buckner Homestead Historic District
Shubinator (talk) 22:52, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

Image upload
Hi, occasionally I am translating some of the articles with images you uploaded into the German WP. Please consider uploading the directly into Commons, since transferring them later is somewhat unnecessary work. (And please excuse my lousy Englisch.) --Matthiasb (talk) 13:25, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Whisky Creek Cabin
Shubinator (talk) 21:35, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

Zeus is a really cool dude and he thinks these WP:ORE articles are cool too
Greetings WikiProject Oregon guys and gals. Once again it is time for another edition of the our niche market Collaboration Of The Week. As always, thank you to those who worked on the Ross Tower and Walton. For this week we have the Calapooya Mountains and by request (and in honor of the opening) the venerable Portland Saturday Market. Just remember, if you are feeling blue, try breathing (rimshot please). Once again, click here to opt out of these messages, or click here to make a suggestion for a future COTW. Aboutmovies (talk) 21:42, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

U too can help Oregon
Howdy WikiProject Oregon folks. It is time again it is time for another round of the Collaboration Of The Week. A big thank you to those who worked on Calapooya Mountains and Portland Saturday Market, both saw some great improvements. For this week we have two great opportunities for DYKs with Brian McMenamin and Algoma, Oregon. Once again, click here to opt out of these messages, or click here to make a suggestion for a future COTW. Aboutmovies (talk) 07:40, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

Bring on the COTW
Good afternoon WikiProject Oregon peoples. It is time again it is time for another round of the Collaboration Of The Week, Volume 82. Thank you to those who worked on Algoma, Oregon‎ and Brian McMenamin, both saw some great improvements and are up for DYks. This week we have Mary Alice Ford and by request Waterfront Blues Festival. Once again, click here to opt out of these messages, or click here to make a suggestion for a future COTW. Live long and phosphorous. Aboutmovies (talk) 23:26, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

Oregon photos
Excellent research, thanks for sharing. My general understanding is that the Oregon Constitution gives agencies the authority to claim copyright if they like, but maybe the "default" position is public domain if they don't? I'm still not completely sure. I'll try to let you know if I learn anything new. But in the short term, I think you can safely treat that agency's works as PD.

Also, you might want to join the Oregon Transparency Taskforce email list, which we recently started to keep track of issues like this. -Pete (talk) 19:04, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

Changing categories
How do I change category titles on Wiki-Commons images? When uploading images, I've been identifying categories like "Category:Images of Oregon"...I just found out that system adds "Catagory:" to font-ent of text so everything I've uploaded went to non-existant categories as "Category:Category:Images of Oregon". I have been trying to figure out how to edit category text, but I can't figure it out and am very frustrated. Can someone tell me how to edit category text?--Orygun ( talk ) 01:05, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Hi Orygun, just go to your image, e.g. File:Riddle Ranch, Mortar Riddle Site 01.jpg, click the edit button at the top of the page and remove one Category: for every category you selected with this upload. You can find your uploads with you contributions or your upload log. --Martin H. ( talk ) 01:12, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for quick answer. Next Q: Why won't Wiki-Commons except "Category:Images of Oregon? Is because that not part of Wiki-Commons? How do I find a common category it appear every Oregon image on Wiki-Commons has it's own category--which won't be much help to anyone looking for Oregon related images.--Orygun ( talk ) 01:27, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, you are right. I cant give you the exact answer maybe: The structure of Commons is, to categorize images as specified as possible. An fictional example might be: We have images of buildings and we have images of red collor. Red buildings are categorized to both categories. If the number of images of red buildings turns bigger and bigger someone will put them to a category with red buildings which is a subcategory of buildings and this red collored things. Commons is working with category intersection. In extrem we can have a category "red buildings in Alaska in summer" which is a subcategory of red buildings by state in summer, buildings in summer and buildings in Alaska.... So it works, categorize by topic and select the most specific topic you find. In case Category:Oregon dont have a own category yet go back to the US category. Sometimes you will find more then one notable topic in one image. --Martin H. ( talk ) 01:50, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks!--Orygun ( talk ) 02:00, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I comented the categories of File:Riddle Ranch, Mortar Riddle Site 01.jpg. You accidentially selected one bad, but thats no problem, i only noticed it because im currently working on this category. --Martin H. ( talk ) 02:01, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Creative Commons
Have several questions. First is [Fort Wiki] part of Wikipedia--it appears to use same page format. If so, how can I locate Fort Wiki images for use in Wikipedia articles. If not, are Fort Wiki images available to transfer to Wikipedia? They have Creative Commons tag in lower right corner (e.g. ).--Orygun (talk) 01:57, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
 * FortWiki is not a part of Wikipedia, they just use the same MediaWiki software that we do. The images don't have explicit license tags and are credited to John Stanton (administrator there) so I think its fine to assume that the images are CC-BY-SA too; but you might want to contact him just to make sure in case you are planning to do a mass upload. All these images should go to commons as they are free. PirateSmackK Arrrr! 12:44, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Is {{cc-by-sa-3.0} the correct tag to use if I upload one of the Fort Wiki images to Wiki-Commons or is there another tag that would specifically cite John Stanton as original source? Maybe {{attribution|John Stanton}? There are so many tags, it hard to figure out which one to use when your do something new.--Orygun (talk) 01:14, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, {{cc-by-sa-3.0} is the right tag. You should also link to the page on FortWiki you got the image from and source it to John in the summary field. PirateSmackK Arrrr! 04:32, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Camp Abbot
Click on the link above, then when it gets to Sunriver, just under the title it will say (Redirected from Camp Abbot), then click on that Camp Abbot link and you will be where you need to be. Aboutmovies (talk) 02:43, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Got it--thanks!--Orygun (talk) 03:07, 16 May 2009 (UTC)

NowCommons: File:Drake Park Neighborhood Historic District.JPG
File:Drake Park Neighborhood Historic District.JPG is now available on Wikimedia Commons as Commons:File:Drake Park house - Bend Oregon.jpg. This is a repository of free media that can be used on all Wikimedia wikis. The image will be deleted from Wikipedia, but this doesn't mean it can't be used anymore. You can embed an image uploaded to Commons like you would an image uploaded to Wikipedia, in this case:. Note that this is an automated message to inform you about the move. This bot did not copy the image itself. --Erwin85Bot (talk) 01:31, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
 * File:Goodpasture Covered Bridge, 2008.JPG is now available as Commons:File:Goodpasture Covered Bridge - Vida Oregon.jpg. --Erwin85Bot (talk) 01:51, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
 * File:Greaser Petroglyphs near Adel, Oregon.jpg is now available as Commons:File:Greaser Petroglyph Site - Adel Oregon.jpg. --Erwin85Bot (talk) 22:06, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
 * File:Art Institute of Buffalo.gif is now available as Commons:File:Art Institute of Buffalo.gif. --Erwin85Bot (talk) 19:25, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
 * File:Art Institute of Buffalo painting class, 1940.jpg is now available as Commons:File:Art Institute of Buffalo painting class, 1940.jpg. --Erwin85Bot (talk) 19:26, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

State Government images in Public Domain
In Oregon, State Government agencies may release images into Public Domain. For example, the Oregon Department of Fish and Wildlife images are Public Domain per ODFW web-site. What tag do I use when uploading one of these images? There are lots of tags for Federal Government images which are all Public Domain, but I can't find any tag that covers State Goverment images that are in Public Domain.--Orygun (talk) 18:21, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
 * You could use {{tlp|PD-because|works of Oregon Department of Fish and Wildlife employees, taken during the course of their official duties belong to the Public Domain per ODFW web-site} }.--teb728 (t) c 04:10, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Most helpful--thanks!--Orygun (talk) 23:41, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Autoreviewer
I've added autopatrol to your user rights, so any new articles you create will be automatically marked as patrolled on New Pages.  Acroterion  (talk)  19:17, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Presume this is good news, but not sure what autopatrol actaully does. Is there anything I need to do to put it to use?--Orygun (talk) 01:36, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Nothing you have to do at all, your new articles will just show up as white - already patrolled - on Special:NewPages, so they won't have to be reviewed by new page patrollers, saving a little effort. Your new articles tend to be well-developed, but other editors have had trouble with short articles being flagged for deletion as they're developed. This saves everybody some work. It's new, and intended to be generally granted to those with a track record of substantive new contributions.  Acroterion  (talk)  02:13, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Got it--thanks!--Orygun (talk) 02:38, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

O'Kane Building
Sounds like you're looking just at my user page on the Commons, where I post only my favorite shot of each NRHP site, even if I upload multiple. There is a full-facade shot of the O'Kane Building at File:OKane Building - Bend Oregon.jpg which may do the trick for you. It's at a rather severe angle because my less-than-professional camera doesn't do wide angles and other buildings prevented me from getting a square-on shot from far enough away.

Thanks for your very kind words about my pictures. I'm little better than a hack at photographic technique, but I do enjoy getting out and about to these places. And sometimes the pics turn out almost decent. I'm glad you've found them useful, and BTW I'm just about in awe of your ability to weave a smooth narrative about all these places. I'm excited about the DYK possibility - I'd feel pretty big for my britches if one of my images showed up on the main page.... &mdash;Ipoellet (talk) 08:41, 12 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Oh, darn. I'm pretty sure I've uploaded all of my Bend pix. But I just spent a couple of days in Umatilla and Union counties, and I have a bunch of images to upload. Maybe some of those will be of interest to you. Ipoellet (talk) 02:50, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Hot outside, so stay inside working on the Oregon COTW!
Hello to WikiProject Oregon folks, and get ready for another Collaboration Of The Week. Thank you to those who worked on the land fraud scandal and Mr. Wicks. This week we have one by request, Central Oregon, and a gnomish task, the Great Infobox Drive of '09. For the infobox drive, just find some articles without infoboxes and add one. People and companies are two prime areas as many do not have infoboxes, yet infoboxes exist for those areas. Again, click here to opt out of these messages, or click here to make a suggestion for a future COTW. Aboutmovies (talk) 07:47, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Church in Redmond
I couldn't find that church! And as I typed that last exclamation, I had a brainstorm about why. The NRIS gives 641 S E Cascade Ave as the address, but the correct address is apparently SW. I was on the wrong side of town. Twice! If you got that pic, upload it please. I don't want to have to go back to Redmond again. And once again, thank you for the kind words on my photographs. &mdash;Ipoellet (talk) 06:57, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

Sourcing
I was reviewing the O'Kane building, which is a nice article, as all of yours are well researched and referenced. However, I was doing the DYK check and was looking more closely at the sources and noticed the Waymarking site and archiplanet site, which I'm pretty sure are open Wikis, as in anyone can join and start an article. Just like Wikipedia. Generally these sources should be avoided, as just like Wikipedia they cannot usually be considered as reliable sources. And with the archiplanet one atleast, I think all the info is in the NRHP info or other places so there is really no need. Also, if you are looking to expand Google news has some free old stuff that might be worth looking at. Happy editing. Aboutmovies (talk) 06:56, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Don't think I've ever relied of Archiplanet as only or primary source; www.nationalregisterofhistoricalplaces.com and State of Oregon NRHP database both have same info and aren't open-type sources. Don't use Waymarking as source very often.  When I do its because there's photo of historic marker which I believe is legitimate documentation of marker's information since it allows reader to see/read on-site source for themselves.  In any case, good reminder--thanks!--Orygun (talk) 01:30, 28 July 2009 (UTC) P.S. Congratulations on DYK recognition!
 * Was just looking around inside Google news archives--you're right there's lot of good material there! Looks like there's some kind of library agree that provides free access to articles that are normally pay-to-view.  Do you know anything about that?--Orygun (talk) 02:50, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
 * With the library agreement for access to some of the archived material, I don't really know anything about it. I think I remember go through that website to see if my library had an agreement and I don't think it did, but your library may be different. I know in Clackamas County each library has their own set of databases they subscribe to, so it varies branch to branch (I believe libraries in the Chemekata system do the same). Aboutmovies (talk) 09:42, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Welcome back, welcome back, welcome back, Mr. COTW
Howdy after a long message absence to those of WikiProject Oregon. To answer a common question, no you did not get removed from the COTW notification list, I was just too busy to send out the notification for the last change. So, thank you to all those who helped improve Central Oregon and Mount Jefferson, as well as those who added infoboxes and adopted a governor. For this edition of the COTW, we have partly by request and in honor of the return of college football, Duck football and Beaver football. If you are a fan of neither, maybe go back and work on a governor or add infoboxes this time around. As always, click here to opt out of these messages, or click here to make a suggestion for a future COTW. Aboutmovies (talk) 06:27, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

Insert profound knowledge and wisdom here with wacky side effects
Greetings from WikiProject Oregon. First, thank you to all those who helped improve the Ducks and Beavers football teams. Second, now on with the countdown. For this edition of the COTW, we have by request Portland Hempstalk Festival and Munson Valley Historic District. As always, click here to opt out of these messages, or click here to make a suggestion for a future COTW. Aboutmovies (talk) 07:11, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

McArthur
No problem, it's a good article on an important guy. I was torn between low and mid importance anyway, and what you say makes sense. So I'll change the assessment. Keep up the good work!! -Pete (talk) 03:12, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Oregon Central Military Wagon Road
A while ago I wrote Oregon Route 58 and redirected Oregon Central Military Wagon Road there. Would you mind adding any details from OR 58 to your article, and removing some from OR 58 with a summary style link to ? --NE2 23:17, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Think I did what you asked. Reduced military road info in Oregon Route 58 article to 1 para; kept 1888 NY Times reference and added 2 generic references; and inserted summary-style link.  Chg'd link at Oregon Central Military Wagon Road to send readers to Stone Bridge and the Oregon Central Military Wagon Road article (vice Oregon Route 58 article).  Also, incorp'd number of military wagon road details from Oregon Route 58 text into Oregon Central Military Wagon Road article.  New info was very helpful in "Scandal and litigation" and "Route" sections.  Please look over chgs and let me know if result is what you had in mind.--Orygun (talk) 01:44, 5 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't have time to read through it, but it looks about like what I was thinking. Good job. --NE2 01:48, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

Civil War era photos
Have all Civil War era photos now entered Public Domain? Have found photo taken in 1864 that I'd like to use in article. It is on Federal Government web-site, but it's unclear wheather it was actually take by/for the Federal Government. Also, there's nothing that shows that photo was published before 1923. Finally, rule that allows photos to pass to Public Domain ~70 years after authors death can't be calculated because photographer is unknown. Image could definitely be use under Fair Use rule since person in photo is dead; however, that would prevent its use in other articles. Is there specific rule (or generally accepted rule-of-thumb) that covers when old photos pass into Public Domain?--Orygun (talk) 20:18, 25 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Anything created before 1889 (in the US at least) is definitively in the public domain now even it it was never published. Works by unknown authors that has never been published lapse into public domain 120 years after it was created . Also if a work by an unknown/pseudonymous author has been published the rule is whichever is shorter of 95 years after first publication or 120 years after creation. So a photo from 1864 should be safe. --Sherool (talk) 23:25, 25 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Excellent--thanks!--Orygun (talk) 04:32, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

Old Photos
A photo of an individual who died in 1861 should be Public Domain by now--right?--Orygun (talk) 19:51, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
 * If it was taken while they were still alive, there are few photos that old! Has the picture been published? Graeme Bartlett (talk) 22:26, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Am interested in photo of John Work, a Hudson's Bay Company trapper and explorer. Work died in 1861, so photo was obviously taken before that time. Not sure if photo was published; probably not--it looks like family photo to me.--Orygun (talk) 00:48, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
 * There are thousands of photographs that old. If the picture was first published by its owner before 1978, it had a maximum U.S. copyright duration of 95 years from first publication. If the picture was first published by its owner between 1978 and 2002, it will be under U.S. copyright through 2047. If the picture was first published by its owner after 2002, or is unpublished, the U.S. copyright lasted for the life of the photographer plus 70 years (it is out of copyright if the photographer died before 1940); or, if the photographer is unknown, the U.S. copyright lasted for 120 years after creation (through 1981). — Walloon (talk) 01:04, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
 * You would have to check into HP075560 in the British Colombia archives to see if the photographer is known. If it was not published before it is published on the web site you linked.  Canadian law may be relevant here rather than US. It is extremely likely that the copyright has expired in some way based on what Walloon has said. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 02:54, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
 * I checked the Archives of British Columbia. The online catalog says the photographer is "unknown". Just an educated guess, but to me the image looks like it was reproduced from a photographic plate in an old book. It shows signs of heavy retouching, where the face looks halfway between photo and painting. — Walloon (talk) 10:10, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Since individual is dead photo could clearly be used under Fair Use rule for article on John Work himself. Sound like photo is now in Public Domain based on 120 year rule for unknown photographer.  Any reason why this photo can't be uploaded as Public Domian image?--Orygun (talk) 20:34, 14 February 2010 (UTC)
 * No reason not to. Go for it. — Walloon (talk) 20:07, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

Lake Abert
Hi Orygun, I've posted a query on this page's talk page. Regards, Ericoides (talk) 16:21, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

If, as the first sentence proposes, "Lake Abert [is] more commonly known as Abert Lake", why is this article not known as Abert Lake with a redirect from Lake Abert? Ericoides (talk) 16:19, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Using the official name seemed more appropriate for a wiki-article title since that's what you'd find on USGS map. I've created a re-direct from "Abert Lake" so anyone using the common name can find article just as easily.  By the way, I've used common name in title before and someone suggested I use formal names.--Orygun (talk) 18:45, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
 * OK, I hope you don't mind if I go through the article and change Abert Lake to Lake Abert throughout, per my comment on the talk page. Ericoides (talk) 18:58, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Re the DYK nom, please could you give inline citations for the fish and shrimps claims immediately after you make the claims in the Ecology section; then it will be passed as ready to go. Thanks, Ericoides (talk) 18:58, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Done.--Orygun (talk) 19:48, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

Where is Lake Abert called the "official name" (this is a genuine enquiry as I don't know the answer)? Ericoides (talk) 18:43, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
 * The explorer John C. Fremont, who named the lake, called it “Lake Abert” in his 1843 jounal. (See: 20 December 1843 journal entry by John C. Fremont (Brevet Captain of the Topographical Engineers), Narrative of the exploring expedition to the Rocky mountains in the year 1842, and to Oregon and North California in the years 1843-44, D. Appleton & Company, New York, New York, 1849, pp. 125-126.) In addition, the United States Geological Survey records the lake as “Lake Abert” on their official topographical map.  (See: Oregon topographic map, United States Geological Survey, United States Department of Interior, Reston, Virginia).  Finally, the Oregon Geographic Names Board is responsible for recording names of geographic features within the state. The Oregon Historical Society, which has had legal responsibility for the board since 1959, also publishes Oregon Geographic Names, a 4-inch thick volume that records the history of Oregon place-names.  The Seventh Edition of OGN, lists "Lake Abert" on page 552 under “L” for lake. (See:  MacArthur, Lewis A. and Lewis L. McArthur, Oregon Geographic Names (Seventh Edition), Oregon Historical Society Press, Portland, Oregon, 2003, p. 552.)--Orygun (talk) 23:31, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Many thanks for taking the time to answer that, and thanks for the article. Something about this lake intrigues me; if I didn't live on the other side of the world I'd love to visit it. Regards, Ericoides (talk) 06:41, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
 * One of the neat things about Wikipedia and the internet is that it allows you to visit far away places. If Abert Lake captured your interest, you might like to make a wiki-visit to the Warner Valley, 20 miles east of Abert Rim.  Also, here is a good video report from Oregon Public Broadcasting on the Warner wetlands.--Orygun (talk) 19:26, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

Help to improve articles
Tedder: Don’t want to violate your talk page rules, so if this note does, please ignore it with my apologies. You’ve recently rated several articles I initiated as, but didn’t leave any notes that would help me improve them. What do I need to do to get Goose Lake Valley and Lake Abert articles up to status? Thought both were pretty comprehensive and well documented articles. Any help would be appreciated.--Orygun (talk) 23:44, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Hey, no worries, and welcome. I just tried to make a first-pass rating on the pages. I'm not a GA/FA type person- feel free to remove the rating and get them rerated, or (better) post them at WikiProject Oregon/Assessment. But yeah, I'll claim WP:BEANS on what it takes to get from C to B. tedder (talk) 23:46, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Don’t think its right for me to undo or change ratings on articles I began, even if I don’t agree with them. However, will post request for review on WikiProject Oregon/Assessment as you suggest.  My experience has been that first-pass is also last-pass.  In fact, I’ve started over 100 articles and only 1 has ever received a second-look rating….and that happened when another wiki-group finally got around to doing their initial rating and decided to change the Wiki-Oregon rating to match their first-pass.  Oh well, maybe Wiki-Oregon’s COTW will do rating clean-up drive sometime.  Thanks for your help.--Orygun (talk) 00:35, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Undoing ratings just puts it up for review, generally by someone like AM. In other words, I agree, "first pass is also last pass". It's okay to remove it on changes or when you've talked to the rater. I wouldn't worry about it- we'll let a better assessor look at it. tedder (talk) 00:40, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

It Takes a Rim Village - Oregon COTW
Greetings WikiProject Oregon member, time for the next edition of the Collaboration of the Week. Thanks to those who assisted in improving a few articles over the last month. For May Day edition of the COTW (in Wikipedia time its May already), we have by request Rim Village Historic District and the Oregon Museum of Science and Industry (AKA OMSI). Rim Village just needs some refinement to get to GA, while OMSI needs a lot of work in general. As always, click here to opt out of these messages, or click here to make a suggestion for a future COTW. Adios (on May 5th that is). Aboutmovies (talk) 04:46, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Unity Ranger Station
The DYK project (nominate) 16:02, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Emerald Valley Golf Club
The DYK project (nominate) 06:03, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Public Domain Maps
The Oregon Department of Fish and Wildlife says images that are the work of ODFW employees accomplished during their official duties belong to the Public Domain. See ODFW image policy. My question is: Does "images" include digital maps available to the public in official reports and pamphlets? ODFW photos used in agency reports and pamphlets are clearly in Public Domain, but would like opinion on ODFW maps used in same way.--Orygun (talk) 15:54, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
 * It depends, just because a digital map appears in an ODFW report or pamphlet doesn't mean that the map is entirely the work an ODFW employee -- it could have been created by a third party for ODFW, or it might have been created using copyrighted digital mapping data. You'd need to contact ODFW to confirm the permission (follow steps at WP:PERMISSIONS).  For that matter, all of the photos used in ODFW reports and pamphlets are not necessarily the work of an ODFW employee, the ODFW could have hired a photographer to take one or more of the photos and thus either the photographer or the ODFW could hold copyright to the photos in question (since the ODFW can acquire copyrights).  Without an explicit notice in the reports and pamphlets about the origin and/or status of the photos, you'll need to contact OFDW to confirm that they are the work of an ODFW employee. —RP88 18:19, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Since most maps don't have attribution, I won't upload any ODFW maps. Here's another question. In releasing photos to Public Domain, ODFW says:  "These images are the work of ODFW employees, taken during the course of the person's official duties and belong to the Public Domain."  It appears to me that "These images" refer to photos in ODFW on-line photo gallery, where statement is made.  When ODFW maintained its photo gallery within its our web-site, it was releatively easy to link photos with Public Domain release statement.  Now, ODFW has put its photos on flickr.  The ODFW gallery page says:  "See our new flickr account for more public domain images" with hot-button link to the ODFW flickr page. However, all of the ODFW photos on that page have copyright logos--even photos that are by known ODFW photographers.  I have sent e-mail to ODFW, but no one has answered.  Can any of these ODFW photos be used in Wikipedia without special permission from ODFW?--Orygun (talk) 22:38, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
 * OK, that's wierd. Some of them have a CC 2.0 Share Alike license, the others are copyright.  Nope, don't understand. There are 3 email addresses here   I'd try emailing 'em all. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Elen of the Roads (talk • contribs) 19:59, 1 June 2010 (UTC)


 * I don't think "See our new flickr account for more public domain images" implies that all of the images in their flickr account are public domain. I understand it to mean that they have placed, or intend to place, one or more public domain images in their  flickr account.  As such, I don't think this declaration can be taken to mean that all of the images in their flickr account are public domain despite specific copyright declarations to the contrary on some of the images in their flickr account.  If you want to resuse the images marked "all rights reserved" in ODFW's flickr account because you suspect that ODFW actually intends them to be in the public domain, I think you'll need to contact ODFW directly and follow steps at WP:PERMISSIONS. —RP88 (talk) 04:42, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

Just received following e-mail from ODFW:


 * From: ODFW Web
 * To: ....
 * Sent: Monday, May 24, 2010 11:22 AM
 * Subject: RE: Copy Right Status of ODFW Photos


 * Yes, this has been brought to our attention. New to Flickr we’ll have to figure out how to fix that! They are public domain. You may use them as you like.


 * Thanks!

So, looks like all ODFW photos are Public Domain. Hopefully, ODFW folks will fugure out how to correct their flickr uploads to reflect correct status.--Orygun (talk) 16:47, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

Public Domain Confirmation
Have received confirmation from state agency that their images are in Public Domain. Read direction on WP:PERMISSIONS page that outlines how to submit confirmation for review. It says to send confirmation to: "permissions-commons AT wikimedia DOT org". Does that mean: "permissions-commons AT wikimedia DOT org" or "permissions-commons@wikimedia.org" or something else....  In any case, I can't find live e-mail address. Have already spent lot of time getting confirmation, but now I'm lost. Really need some help!--Orygun (talk) 02:21, 8 June 2010 (UTC)
 * permissions-commons@wikimedia.org should be the one. You can contact me on commons if you need any further assistance regarding uploads to wikimedia commons (you are now on wikipedia). Deadstar (talk) 10:41, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Summer Lake Wildlife Area
 — Rlevse • Talk  • 06:03, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Ana River
 — Rlevse • Talk  • 12:02, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

You are now a Reviewer
Hello. Your account has been granted the "reviewer" userright, allowing you to review other users' edits on certain flagged pages. Pending changes, also known as flagged protection, will be commencing a two-month trial at approximately 23:00, 2010 June 15 (UTC).

Reviewers can review edits made by users who are not autoconfirmed to articles placed under flagged protection. Flagged protection is applied to only a small number of articles, similarly to how semi-protection is applied but in a more controlled way for the trial.

When reviewing, edits should be accepted if they are not obvious vandalism or BLP violations, and not clearly problematic in light of the reason given for protection (see Reviewing process). More detailed documentation and guidelines can be found here.

If you do not want this userright, you may ask any administrator to remove it for you at any time. Courcelles (talk) 23:56, 15 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Got notice that I now have "reviewer" rights, but not sure what that actually means in practical terms.  Have written quite a few good articles; however, haven’t done much editing of other people’s work.  Can you tell me what reviewer rights authorize me to do and what is expected of those who hold reviewer right?--Orygun (talk) 00:13, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Basically, when you edit one of these pages, it approves your edit automatically; you can also--Orygun (talk) 01:45, 16 June 2010 (UTC) choose to approve other people's edits. Do see Help:Pending changes for more information. {&#123; Sonia &#124;ping&#124;enlist}&#125; 00:16, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Yep, Sonia is right... again. I need to give her a barnstar or something. If you've got any questions after reading her links, do let me know. Courcelles (talk) 00:21, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Am always grateful when reviewer quickly revert vadalism, but don't think I'm very good candidate for reviewer responsibility. Am always busy working on new articles. Also, have periods where I'm off-line for weeks at time.  What happens if I don't do any reviewing? Does that mean specific articles won't have any chgs approved?  If that's case, I shouldn't be reviewer.  If level of participation is optional, am willing to accept review right and participate in test, but you probably won't get many reviews out of me.--Orygun (talk) 01:45, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Nothing happens if you don't do any reviewing. It's just optional, and will save people reviewing when you're working. Like rollback-good to have, but doesn't mean you have to use it, only that we know you will not misuse it. {&#123; Sonia &#124;ping&#124;enlist}&#125; 01:47, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Alright,thanks.--Orygun (talk) 02:04, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
 * No problem. {&#123; Sonia &#124;ping&#124;enlist}&#125; 02:15, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

DYK for John M. Drake
 — Rlevse • Talk  • 12:03, 20 June 2010 (UTC)

Help adding pics?
Hey Orygun, I have been trying to add a pic to the Floater page forever. For that matter, I've tried adding pics on other pages with no success. I just don't know what I'm doing wrong. It usually gets taken down for a variety of reasons. I come to you, because I noted you added a pic to Redmond Caves when I was working on it a while back. I see where you obtained the photos from, but what I don't understand is how those photos are legit to use and the ones I want to use aren't. So confused. Wikipedia does not educate very well on the matter. It's all confusing and convoluted. Any help you can give would be greatly appreciated! Leitmotiv (talk) 05:08, 30 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Photos I uploaded for Redmond Caves article were taken by BLM, a Federal Government agency. With very few exceptions, images produced by or for U.S. Federal Government are in Public Domain.  That means you can use them w/o any restrictions.  Only a few states release their images into Public Domain or make them available with licenses that meet very strict Wikipedia standards—and unfortunately, Oregon isn’t one of them.  Wikipedia has high standards for image upload so Wikipedia images are available for unrestricted re-use.  Images that have copyright restrictions make re-use difficult w/o violating someone's copyright so Wikipedia doesn’t allow them.  In addition to Public Domain, there are two other copyright categories that Wikipedia will accept for image uploads.  Can find examples of both on Flickr Creative Commons home page.  They are “Attibution” only (which allows you to use image anyway you want as long as you cite original author/designer/photographer as source) and “Share Alike” used in conjunction with "Attribution" (which allows you to use image as long as you cite original author/photographer as source, but has some restriction on derivative works—basically requiring you to cite original author/designer/photographer as source for image that derivative work is based on).  These are first and last sections on Flickr Creative Common web-page.  Standard logo for “Attribution” only is “man” inside circle and standard “Share Alike” logo is counter-clockwise arrow like reverse “C” inside circle.  Anything in these two Flickr Creative Commons sections or any other source marked ONLY with these two restrictions are good for Wikipedia uploads.  If there are any other logos added to these two, image can’t be used in Wikipedia.  Finally, there is one more very restricted category called Fair Use. However, Fair Use is pretty much restricted to dead people based on fact that no new photo can ever be obtained.  In Wikipedia, Fair Use photo can only be used in specific article about subject of photo, and only if no other image can ever be obtained.  Also, Fair Use photo can not be used in any other article (e.g. photo of deceased lawyer John Doe could be used in bio article about John Doe the man, but not in article about lawyers even if Doe was world's most famous lawyer).  As you’ve obviously found out Wiki picture police are very active in enforcing rules protecting copyrights.  Often hardest part of preparing articles is finding Wiki-able images.  As result, I look very hard for images from Federal Government sources or use two Flickr sections discussed above.  When one of my own photos meets the need, I upload it and release under one of these three Wiki-able licenses (usually "Attribution").  Bottomline—image upload rules are very restrictive so finding Wiki-able photo can be tough.  Hope this helps!--Orygun (talk) 02:47, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
 * thanks for the help! I'll see what I can do. Sometimes the commons is so hardup for images. I may have to take some of my own pics! Leitmotiv (talk) 04:27, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Awesome article
Thanks for James Cant Ranch Historic District. A great new article! --mboverload @ 21:07, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

James Cant Ranch
Hey, I noticed your recent new article James Cant Ranch. I first saw two copies of the same material, one at the original article and one at James Cant Ranch Historic District. This is not necessary because of the use of redirects. I redirected the historic district article to the ranch article because it appears as if "James Cant Ranch" is the most common name for the place (as is evidenced by the bolded text in the lead). Please stop restoring and/or blanking things for the moment. If you'd like to discuss, please do so here. Thanks! --Dudemanfellabra (talk) 21:10, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I had intended to load the article under the title "James Cant Ranch Historic District", but left last two words out of title. Have been trying to correct that, but it seems you keep undoing my fix.  Please allow me a few minutes to change James Cant Ranch to James Cant Ranch Historic District.  I will redirect former to later when I'm done.  Thanks.--Orygun

DYK for James Cant Ranch Historic District
 — Rlevse • Talk  • 06:01, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

DYK for P Ranch
Courcelles 12:02, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Sod House Ranch
 — Rlevse • Talk  • 12:04, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

Historic Photo
Can this photo be uploaded for use wikipedia?--Orygun (talk) 00:52, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Probably, since it is tagged as "no known copyright restrictions" and is dated to 1916, so PD-1923 would apply (I think???).--GrapedApe (talk) 04:59, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
 * The given Flickr license does indeed mean PD. I think Template:PD-1923 would work. Or, to be more specific, you could use Template:PD-because, which simply states "public domain" and in the first parameter you can specify the reason for it being PD (that it was published in 1916). Jsayre64   (talk)  17:29, 26 September 2010 (UTC)
 * That's what I thought--thanks!--Orygun (talk) 19:05, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

Crooked River Gorge
Dear editor, I'm here to thank you for your recent edits on the Crooked River Gorge article. Thank you very much for your more-than-appreciated contribution. Thank you............:) ! Krenakarore (talk) 13:09, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

DYK for William "Bill" Hanley
The DYK project (nominate) 12:03, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Double-O Ranch Historic District
The DYK project (nominate) 06:02, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Oregon Maneuver
 — <b style="color:#060;">Rlevse</b> • Talk  • 06:06, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

DYK for West Shore (magazine)
The DYK project (nominate) 06:03, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Sagebrush Symphony
Thanks for uploading the picture! Feel free to upload others if you come across more and have the time--the article could really use additional photographs, especially since so many great ones have been taken over the years. -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 21:33, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

DYK for John Work
Hi Orygun. Reviewed your article - high quality writing. However, the hook lacks punch. Is there any possibility of an Alt? I tried to come up with one while reviewing, but was not inspired by anything. We could run it as is, but would appreciate an alternative. Thanks, and keep up the good "Work". Nar har har. The Interior (Talk) 09:46, 6 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Added new text and footnote to article that covers following hook: DYK … that Hudson’s Bay Company fur trader John Work fell out of a tree during an 1840 expedition, tearing open his abdomen, but recovered after pushed his intestines back into his body?--Orygun (talk) 20:41, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

DYK for John Work (fur trader)
Gatoclass (talk) 06:03, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Spruce Production Division
Materialscientist (talk) 14:06, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

DYK for David L. Shirk Ranch
The DYK project (nominate) 14:04, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

NRHP reassessments
At WP:NRHP we're cleaning up a bunch of reassessment requests. Obviously our old system didn't work - there are still requests dating from 2008. Now if you want a reassessment, just remove the rating in the NRHP template and it looks like a new article to be rated, which usually takes a couple of weeks. Your requests should be especially embarrassing to us: we only really ever go to class B, and GAs are taken care of at GA Candidates, and your articles were mostly rated B already. In any case, here are the articles you requested to be rerated. If you really want them to be rerated (up to B) just delete the old rating. Smallbones (talk) 19:53, 13 January 2011 (UTC)


 * New Redmond Hotel - New article--Orygun (talk) 15:15, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
 * N. P. Smith Pioneer Hardware Store - New article--Orygun (talk) 15:15, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
 * O'Kane Building - New article--Orygun (talk) 15:15, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Bly Ranger Station - New article--Orygun (talk) 15:17, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Willow Prairie Cabin - New article.--Orygun (talk) 00:58, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Old Bend High School - New article.--Orygun (talk) 02:22, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
 * George Washington's Gristmill - New article.--Orygun (talk) 20:48, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Purple Point-Stehekin Ranger Station House - New article.--Orygun (talk) 20:48, 20 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks for following up on assessment requests. As you noted, all the articles have now been assessed and I think the current ratings are pretty fair—though I thought Purple Point-Stehekin Ranger Station House might have been  since it includes lot of good info for such an out-of-the-way place.  Most of my NRHP articles are about Oregon sites and Wiki-Oregon folks use bot to identify new articles and do very good job posting timely assessments.  A number of Wiki-Oregon editors are also Wiki-NRHP members so they often get both assessments in one pass.  If you are interested in re-assessments, Comfort Station No. 68 and Comfort Station No. 72 probably deserve re-look and possibly upgrades.  While these articles are relatively short, they are about pubic restrooms…and there just isn’t a lot more to say about that kind of structure even if they are listed on NRHP.--Orygun (talk) 00:52, 16 January 2011 (UTC)


 * Some of the best comfort station articles I've seen - I'm something of an affectionato! Smallbones (talk) 21:30, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

Thomas J. Howell
This historic photograph was taken in 1910. It is from the Fields Museum collection, and source says "no known copyright restrictions". Can this be uploaded as a Public Domain image or is there another more appropriate category that would allow it to be uploaded to Wiki-Commons?--Orygun (talk) 00:45, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
 * If it was published before 1923, it is PD-US —teb728 t c 10:50, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I uploaded the image here. P. S. Burton  (talk)  16:19, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks!--Orygun (talk) 19:59, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

DYK nomination of B&B Complex Fires
Hello! Your submission of B&B Complex Fires at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! KimChee (talk) 11:35, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Date and length verified. The identity of the photographer checks out as a member of the U.S. Forest Service. However, page 63 of the first reference states the final acreage of the fire as 91,915. Any reason for the discrepancy? KimChee (talk) 11:31, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Ref 1 is titled B&B Complex; however, it is actually a fire investigation briefing for 5 fires--the 2 B&B fires plus 3 other smaller fires. Am not positive, but the difference between the 90,769 acres cited on the official Deschutes National Forest web-page (Ref 3) and 91, 915 number in Ref 1 may be that the acreage of the 3 smaller fires was added to the B&B acreage.  It is worth noting that the acreage numbers inside the investigation briefing don’t add up to the total on page 63 so there's definitely something that was conveyed verbally during the investigator’s presentation that is missing from the charts alone.  As a result, I went with the 90,769 number shown on the Deschutes NF web-page which is also the total acreage reported in the last local news release made by the interagency fire management team on 25 Sep 03.  In any case, pinning down the exact acreage on large wildfires is pretty hard to do (e.g. do you go with fire line perimeter or use aerial photos to try to determine actual burn area; do you subtract acreage of small unburned islands within the fire line or not, etc).  Bottomline--I went with number from official Deschute NF web-page since it seemed to be most authoritative source.--Orygun (talk) 23:47, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the detailed explanation. The hook is good to go. KimChee (talk) 00:51, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

Question
Noticed you updated rating on John M. Drake article. It was listed Wiki-Oregon assessment request page for long time. Just out of curiosity, did you find Drake article on assessment page or did you run across it in some way? In any case, thanks for all the assessment you do!--Orygun (talk) 02:27, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I came across it when I was updating the DYKs at the Oregon Portal and saw that it was rated as a stub, and it clearly was not. Aboutmovies (talk) 05:38, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

DYK for B&B Complex Fires
— HJ Mitchell &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?   06:02, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

Military patches
Since official unit patches for U.S. military oganizations are designed by the U.S. Government, all images of unit patches are Public Domain--even if image is found on non-government web-site. Right?--Orygun (talk) 01:20, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes. Stifle (talk) 09:21, 3 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Note though that if an image is not only of a unit patch (for example a photograph by a journalist of a patch on a soldiers arm) or is an image of an "unofficial" or "inspired-by" patch - then these would still be subject to copyright. The public domain has no "share-alike" provisions so any derivative work of a public domain image may still be copyrighted. Ajbpearce (talk) 19:53, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

14th Missile Warning Squadron
Hi Orygun-- Just letting you know that I've nominated 14th Missile Warning Squadron for DYK. It looks like a good article! Jsayre64  (talk)  03:41, 5 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Always nice to get DYK nomination.  Surprisingly this article fixes red-links in half dozen Oregon-related articles.--Orygun (talk) 04:05, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

Sorry
Whoops! Aallasdfa67usgd60 (talk) 01:23, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

14 Test Squadron / 14th Missile Warning Squadron
Hey, I was wondering if I could explain my redirect of the article. Basically, it duplicates the other article in the crucial ways. On top of this, I feel as though having one good article is better than two separate articles. Finally, the real reasoning behind my merger is that this is the same unit. If you look at my reasoning on T:TDYK, you will see what I mean since I am not going to say all of this again. I would also like to continue discussion there but I am honestly suprised that The Bushranger didn't merge it before I did. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 23:58, 11 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Here’s little background on why I created two separate articles. Wiki-Oregon had more red-links to the 14th MWS than any other un-written article—which is why I decided to research and write article about that unit.  Wiki-Calif and Wiki-Maine projects also had red-links to 14th MWS.  It was active duty unit engaged in 24/7 Cold War ops with hundreds of troops located around the country--clearly something that needed to be written about.  By contrast, 14th TS Test only has 29 troops when they’re fully manned, all located at Colorado Springs; and the only red-link to 14th TS was on a wiki-list of all AF test unit.  When I discovered heritage link between the two units I considered consolidating them into single article, but because 14th MWS was far more interesting and important, I decided on two separate articles.  That way readers interested in MWS could read about that historic unit without having to read about its successor sqdn.  My goal was to offer readers opportunity to read about either unit without forcing them to read all about the other as part of the deal.  In any case, you did nice job merging the two articles so I'll leave things alone.  However, there were different Wiki-project groups on the two Discussion pages—Wiki-Colorado for 14th TS and Wiki-Oregon, Wiki-Calif, and Wiki-Maine for 14th MWS (wiki-projects with known red-links to 14th MWS).  You may want to consider moving those Wiki-project tags over to 14th TS Discussion page—on the other hand, those wiki-projects may not be interested since they don’t have any red-links to 14th TS.  Your call whether tags should be moved or not.--Orygun (talk) 06:26, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh shoot, I forgot to do that. I also know that having a ton of "Military in X" categories for places that are no longer hosting the unit is quite weird so I really don't know what to do from there then. I can get onto fixing the rest of this later today though so there should not be a lot of mistakes in the end. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 06:26, 12 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Doubt if any wiki-groups beside Wiki-Colorado will be interested in 14th TS, even if there is some text about another unit that was once located in thier focus area; but like I said, its your call.--Orygun (talk) 15:44, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

DYK for 14th Test Squadron
Thanks for brightening February on DYK Victuallers (talk) 06:04, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Enoch Steen
The DYK project (nominate) 16:02, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

DYK for The Redmond Spokesman
Materialscientist (talk) 06:03, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

Robert W. Chandler
Hey, saw that you started the surprisingly accurate and complete article on my grandfather. Just wanted to say thanks; I showed it to my mom & her sisters and they were all pretty surprised. Where Anne hath a will, Anne Hathaway. (talk) 17:10, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Glad you approve of the article. I work hard to ensure my articles are accurate and comprehensive.--Orygun (talk) 00:46, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Robert W. Chandler
The DYK project (nominate) 00:04, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Heryford Brothers Building
The DYK project (nominate) 18:04, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Triple Crown?
Hi Orygun. I'd like to know if you have contributed significantly to featured content related to Oregon. If you have, you may be eligible for a Triple Crown as part of WP:ORE. I know that you already qualify under the DYK and GA categories. If you could reply here, that would be great. Thanks, and I hope you qualify! Jsayre64  (talk)  22:06, 18 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Haven't contributed to FA article yet. Have considered submitting articles for GA/FA review (e.g. Munson Valley Historic District, Rim Village Historic District, B&B Complex Fires and a few others), but never figured out process...plus I like working on new stuff.--Orygun (talk) 00:09, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

Forest Service architects
I noticed you developed Unity Ranger Station article, about place whose architectural design is attributed to Forest Svc. Northwest division architects. Perhaps you could comment at Talk:United States Forest Service Architecture Group? -- do ncr  am  13:40, 19 July 2011 (UTC)


 * Doncram asked me for comments on this article--so here go... Don’t believe there has ever been a single U.S. Forest Service Architecture Group. However, each USFS region has had an architecture group within its Engineering Division for a long time—most of these groups date back to the 1930s.  Regarding this article, I’d recommend changing title to United States Forest Service Architecture.  That will re-focus the article on the history of USFS architecture rather than small functional organizations within the agency.  Here’s a great document on the history of Forest Service architecture.  It has excellent sources and numerous Public Domain photos and perspective drawing.  It also lists the names of USFS architects and has biographies of leading USFS architects.  Here’s quick outline of its contents.  In 1908, the USFS established an Engineering Division at its Washington HQ along with subordinate engineering organizations in each of its regional offices.  The HQ approved project funding, but building designs were left to the rangers in the field.  In fact prior to 1917, there is no record of the USFS employing any architects on its staff.  Two important documents that helped standardize USFS architectural designs were published in 1928—the Forest Service National Manual of Regulations and Instructions and the Construction and Maintenance Handbook.  Sometime around 1933, T.W. Norcross (who was USAF Chief Engineer from 1920 to 1947) hired W. Ellis Groben as the first architect on the HQ staff.  Individual architects were also hired at each USFS region.  To meet the demand for designs to support Civilian Conservation Corps construction projects, the regional architects hired additional architects and landscape designers to supervise the CCC work.  This was the genesis of the regional architecture groups.  In 1938, Groben released a book of "acceptable plans" for USFS administrative buildings.  The era of handcrafted CCC buildings ended with the onset of World War II. After the war, there was an increase in recreational use of national forest lands.  As a result, USFS architects began designing campgrounds, restrooms, trails, and other outdoors facilities.  By the 1950s, most construction projects were for restoration or replacement of aging facilities.  In the early 1960s, USFS architecture staffing surpassed the number of professionals that designed projects for the CCC.  In the 1970s, USFS construction work was re-focused on environmental projects.  More recently, modern visitor centers have been constructed in National Forests across the country. Hope this is helpful!  For more info on USFS architectural organizations, you might consider contacting the National Museum of Forest Service History.--Orygun (talk) 04:07, 20 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Useful information, Orygun -- thanks! -- SarekOfVulcan (talk) 04:12, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Charles S. Drew
The DYK project (nominate) 08:02, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

PYP images
Hi Orygun. I was wondering fou might be able to assist me by uploading images related to the Portland Youth Philharmonic (formerly known as the Portland Junior Symphony and also associated with the Sagebrush Symphony). I am working on expanding the PYP article and would love to add images whenever possible, or at least fill the Commons category with images related to the orchestra. You uploaded the only image that currently appears on the article, and I just posted a comment on the WikiProject Oregon talk page containing links to several potential images for upload. However, I am not very familiar with copyright policies or how to extract images from galleries (unable to simply right click and "save as"). Might you be able to see if there are any images you would be able to upload relating to PYP, its origins, and/or conductors (there are separate articles for Gershkovitch and Avshalomov if fair-use or similar policies apply to those)? Any helps would be appreciated, even if you determine that there are no images that can be uploaded at this time. Thanks for your past contribution to the article! -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 00:00, 22 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Took quick look at old photos, there are at least 3 that can be uploaded because they were published before 1923 formal photo of orchestra, newspaper article and symphony program).  There are and 2 more photos that look like they were taken same day as photo already being used in your article, but will need to establish date of photo (symphony float and another parade photo).  However, may not need either since they appear to be same event you’ve already captured in photo already used in article...plus images seem to tell more about small town parade than junior symphony.--Orygun (talk) 01:33, 23 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Here are 3 image files per your request: File:Sagebrush Symphony Orchestra, 1916.jpg; File:Oregonian article, 23 Sep 1916.jpg; and File:Sagebrush Symphony Concert Program, 1916.jpg.--Orygun (talk) 19:44, 25 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank you so much! Much appreciated. -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 21:26, 25 September 2011 (UTC)

Research offer
I have acquired a pile of Oregon Voter magazine "Who's Who in the 19XX Oregon Legislature" editions for the 1959-1973 legislative sessions (1969 has not turned up yet), and also 1981. Oregon Voter was a weekly journal, I believe published by pro-business interests. These special issues have short bios of all the legislators and statewide officials as well as other stories and ads (Standard Insurance, Associated Oregon Industries, Willamette Valley Lumber Company, etc.) Let me know if you would like the info on any of these fine ladies and gentlemen. Senator Jack Ripper (D-Coos Bay) anyone? I also have a Xerox of the July 12, 1919 edition (some of these earlier ones are in Google Books) and a few pages from months after that regarding veterans, enlistments, military manpower contributions by state, and war casualties. Valfontis (talk) 19:42, 21 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Have been collecting info on several Oregon legislators from that period and your info would be helpful. Two I’m most interested in are Rep Dick Magruder and Rep Roger Martin.  They were key players in House coup that stripped power form Speaker during ’77 session.  Unfortunately, don’t think I’ll be finishing either article anytime soon since I haven’t found any wiki-able photos.  Can I contact you later when I get closer to finishing article(s).--Orygun (talk) 02:07, 23 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Well don't let the lack of a photo stop you, but yes I can certain supply that info, just let me know on my talk page and I'll either type it up or scan it and e-mail it to you--let me know if you have a preference. For my part, I type fast but access to a scanner is more difficult for me. Martin is in the 1967, '71, and '73 editions, and Magruder in '71 and '73. As you probably know, Caroline Magruder took over her son's term after he was killed (farm accident) in 1978, her profile is in the '81 edition. Valfontis (talk) 03:40, 23 September 2011 (UTC)

Your DYK nom for Harry D. Boivin
Hi Orygun, I've reviewed your nomination at Template:Did you know nominations/Harry D. Boivin and there are several issues which should be addressed before the article is promoted (don't worry, they aren't major). Please see my comments at the talk page and reply there. Thanks. Crisco 1492 (talk) 16:16, 23 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Symbol question.svg Not yet. The role of the Republicans in him being elected the President of the Oregon State Senate is not stated explicitly in the article, and the references should be next to the sentences they support and not at the back of the paragraphs (to avoid unverifiable information being slipped in unnoticed). Crisco 1492 (talk) 16:12, 23 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Nominator also needs to do a QPQ. Crisco 1492 (talk) 16:15, 23 September 2011 (UTC)
 * In para 5 of ref 7 (Eugene Register-Guard article dated 19 May 99) it says: “Boivin helped stich together a coalition of conservative Democrats and Republicans that ran the Senate for several years. The deal was simple:  A conservative Democrat would be President of the Senate and Republicans would hold chairmanships of most of the major committees.”  While not a direct quote, I think this is pretty good support for hook statement about Boivin being elected President of the Senate with help of Republicans.  However, if you don’t think this is adequate, how about alternative hook:
 * ALT1 ... that Harry D. Boivin was elected Speaker of the Oregon House of Representatives at the age of 33 and was later elected President of the Oregon State Senate twice?
 * Also, am not familar with "QPQ"...can you tell me waht it means?--Orygun (talk) 17:22, 25 September 2011 (UTC)
 * The coalition detail doesn't really emphasize their contributions, and for all the reader knows there may only be a few Republicans. The QPQ is the review, which has been required for all self noms by DYK regulars for a couple of years (you have 50 DYKs [at least], so you should do one) Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:32, 25 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Sources or not, the hook is too complex to be effective. I lean toward the following simpler version, which I believe is fully supported by the first reference cited at the end of the paragraph:
 * ALT2 ... that Harry D. Boivin, a Democrat, was elected Speaker of the Oregon House of Representatives at the age of 33, becoming the youngest person to hold that office in the state's history?
 * As for the "quid pro quo" (QPQ) review: If you nominate an article you created/expanded at DYK and you have more than 5 DYKs under your belt, you are supposed to review somebody else's nomination. This rule has not existed nearly as long as Crisco suggests -- it was implemented less than a year ago for several purposes, including spreading out the DYK workload and helping DYK's "frequent flyers" become more effective participants by giving them a better understanding of the review process. Since that time, DYK has been through a series of upheavals reminiscent of the French Revolution, so the current review process has little resemblance to what it was when the rule was established. Regardless, as a DYK veteran, you should be well-equipped to try your hand at reviewing another nomination. --Orlady (talk) 00:37, 26 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Darn, seems I misremembered the comments I had seen. Was it implemented after the October fiasco, or...? Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:42, 26 September 2011 (UTC)

The template process isn't real popular (see Wikipedia talk:Did you know), so you'll have plenty of company if you have difficulty using it. The main idea of the template is that if an item (such as article length) is OK, you enter your signature into that field of the template by inserting 3 tildes. I'm glad you are still contributing at DYK; a lot of long-time regulars have been driven away by the turmoil. --Orlady (talk) 03:31, 26 September 2011 (UTC)
 * I can't recall for sure what specific event(s) may have precipitated QPQ. I try not to live at Wikipedia, so I tend not to track time by Wikipedia crises and "fiascoes" -- this place can be a regular soap opera. However, the discussion that led up to QPQ mostly occurred in November 2010 (see discussion archives 61 and 62), I think it was implemented circa January 1, 2011, and it was added to the "Rules" page on February 1, 2011. IMO, it is still something of an experiment, and if it hadn't been for the new "crises" and "fiascoes" generated in recent months, I think the QPQ process likely would have been re-evaluated and modified over the past couple of months (instead of overlaying new untested procedures and processes). One significant concern that precipitated QPQ was a chronic backlog of hooks awaiting review, coupled with a long-standing perception that a few certain submitters (such as Billy Hathorn) were prolific self-nominators who never contributed to reviews -- and whose articles and hooks often were sub-par. --Orlady (talk) 03:15, 26 September 2011 (UTC)
 * So QPQ rule says that self-nominators must review other DYK articles...right? Is specific requirement 1 review for every self-nomination? All I really want to do is write good "B" quality articles. I put lot of time into each articles and DYK is opportunity to generate some readership to make that work worthwhile. In any case, I'll try to comply with DYK rules, but its hard to keep up with all the DYK input format chgs, check boxes, and new rules.  Where do I go to find out how to do review.--Orygun (talk) 03:05, 26 September 2011 (UTC)
 * We all feel your pain, Orygun. DYK has become chaotic lately due to invented crises, followed by rapid imposition of new untested procedures intended to address the crisis du jour. The Did you know/Reviewing guide hasn't been revised to reflect the current template-based review procedure, but the general concepts are still valid. The general idea is to check to see if the article qualifies for DYK on length and newness, see if it is adequately referenced and doesn't cite bare URLs, check to see that the article isn't plagiarized (including an absence of WP:Close paraphrasing), check to see if the hook fact(s) is(are) in the article and properly supported by citation(s) to reliable sources that support(s) the hook fact(s), and check the hook for length, format, and "interest." That sounds like a lot, but it's usually easier than it sounds -- and the general idea is to dip your toe into the water by helping with reviews. I've found that reviewing DYKs (over the years I've done a lot more DYK reviews than I have DYK credits) is often interesting, and it gives me new insight into writing articles and DYK hooks.
 * To answer the other question, it is generally accepted 1 article nominated = 1 article reviewed, although some go hook for hook. If you are uncertain where to begin, you could consider starting with reviews of trusted contributors (admins, long-time editors etc.) Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:18, 26 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Agree with ALT 2. Don't have time to learn DYK review rules and do assessment right now, but will do QPQ payback this weekend.--Orygun (talk) 00:36, 29 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Reviewed 30 Sep DYK nomination for SS Robert E. Peary. Also, ALT2 now has in-line citation.--Orygun (talk) 18:12, 1 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Symbol confirmed.svg Everything looks good (specifically, ALT1 and ALT2). Thanks for a good article and your willingness to play by the "rules"! --Orlady (talk) 18:46, 1 October 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Harry D. Boivin
Orlady (talk) 00:03, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

Lake of the Woods
Thank for doing initial assessment of Lake of the Woods article. Before uploading article, I compared it with Crater Lake (Wiki-Oregon’s only level lake article) and couple of my previous lake articles (Abert Lake and Warner Lakes) and thought it compared pretty well. Any suggestions on what I could add to Lake of the Woods article to get it up to level.--Orygun (talk) 17:04, 12 November 2011 (UTC)


 * You're welcome. WP:B? lists the criteria for B-class. The Lake of the Woods article is probably almost there. Jsayre64   (talk)  22:02, 12 November 2011 (UTC)


 * DYK bullet was just reviewed/approved and don't want to confuse/delay DYK entry by added new text right now. However, once DYK bullet has been published on Main Page I will add some additional text and photos.  Pretty sure I can find more info on Forest Service presence and resort facilities for history and recreation sections; and will also look for info on larger animals that live around the lake to add to ecology section.  Will upload additional photos of recreation sites/activities at the lake as well.  How about taking another look at article in couple of week to see if addition text/photos are enough to raise rating.  Thanks!--Orygun (talk) 21:44, 13 November 2011 (UTC)


 * Sounds good! I'll try to keep track of the article's progress. Jsayre64   (talk)  21:45, 13 November 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Lake of the Woods (Oregon)
Casliber (talk · contribs) 00:02, 3 December 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Lake of the Woods Ranger Station
Casliber (talk · contribs) 00:02, 3 December 2011 (UTC)

Alfred K. Flowers
I see that you have in your sandbox area, rewritten the Alfred K. Flowers article. It looks like you did some good research, including finding some references that I didn't find. When were you planning on incorporating it into the article? It is on the main page today in the did you know section. Thanks --rogerd (talk) 23:15, 11 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Congratulations on DYK—with picture too! Hopefully, that will get some good readership for article.  Think people will find Gen Flowers’ story interesting/inspiring.  Was originally going to upload my article over Thanksgiving weekend, but you beat me to it.  Since I found some good info on his post-retirement plans, I was going to update article after he officially retires on 1 Jan.--Orygun (talk) 01:24, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Just checked reader stats on Gen Flowers article. Your DYK promoted almost 17K reader to link to the article--congratulation!--Orygun (talk) 04:16, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks....looking forward to seeing your additional information added to the article!  --rogerd (talk) 04:22, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

Oregon Wikipideans
Hello Orygun. I've read recently on OPB.org that Oregon has a high number of wikipedia editors. Do you know any information outside of Wikipedia (or maybe in Wikipedia?) where I can learn more about meeting with fellow Wikipedians in Oregon? Leitmotiv (talk) 03:14, 2 January 2012 (UTC)


 * There are at least a dozen very active participants in WikiProject Oregon. You can find info on many of them under "Introduce Yourself" hot-button in "Participants" section on the WikiProj Oregon home page.  Number of those who introduce themselves never become active, but most of the active players have signed in there.  You can identify many of the active Wiki-Oregon players by following discussions on the WikiProj Oregon talk page as well.  In addition, there’s a home page called About us which has some additional info on Wiki-Oregon community/players/interests.  Here’s team photo from that site.  Finally, there's a Wiki-Oregon Blog.  It advertises an after-work "Wiki-Wednesday" get-together at the Backspace Coffee Shop in Portland.  I’ve never attended since I don’t live in Oregon right now.  Recommend you make some inquires either on blog site or WikiProj Oregon discussion page before showing up…just to be sure it’s still happening. Among the most active Wiki Oregon editors are:




 * Hope this is helpful.--Orygun (talk) 23:17, 2 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your help Orygun! Leitmotiv (talk) 18:33, 3 January 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Nevada-California-Oregon Railway Passenger Station
PanydThe muffin is not subtle 00:04, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

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DYK for Suttle Lake (Oregon)
Graeme Bartlett (talk) 08:36, 10 May 2012 (UTC) 16:06, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

DYK for James G. Blaine Society
Casliber (talk · contribs) 16:04, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Congrats on another DYK, Orygun. And nearly 3900 page views. Too bad an editor changed your hook wording at a late stage, as I felt the original wording (as shown also in the nomination template linked above) was better and was not grammatically incorrect. SJ Morg (talk) 06:52, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Wallowa County Courthouse
— Crisco 1492 (talk) 16:02, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Larry O. Spencer
Casliber (talk · contribs) 16:02, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

Reference format
Noticed you changed "Reference" formula in Whitehorse Ranch article from "reflist|2" to "reflist|30em". Have always used former. What's the difference, I can’t tell?--Orygun (talk) 21:51, 13 April 2013 (UTC)
 * 30em is a parameter of the template that makes the references display in a different number of columns depending on the size of a reader's browser; more columns for a wider screen and fewer for a narrower one. I think 30em is a good idea for articles with a long reflist, but if it's not that many, I'd just put  Jsayre64   (talk)  00:07, 14 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Interesting...thanks!--Orygun (talk) 04:50, 14 April 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Whitehorse Ranch
Casliber (talk · contribs) 16:03, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

DYK for The Bulletin (Bend)
The DYK project (nominate) 16:02, 4 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Nice work expanding my pitiful stub! I was quite suprised to see the message from the DYK bot today. Cheers! K~

DYK for Roba Ranch
Graeme Bartlett (talk) 16:02, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Derrick Cave
The DYK project (nominate) 00:02, 14 September 2013 (UTC)

OHDG

 * Just added info box to Oregon High Desert Grotto article. May want to do quick fact check to ensure info is correct.--Orygun (talk) 06:05, 5 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks a bunch. The photo is of U of O students in Redmond Caves doing an archaeological survey. I suppose we could upload a photo of the OHDG to the wikicommons at some point... Good work on the Derrick Cave page. Leitmotiv (talk) 06:41, 5 October 2013 (UTC)
 * FYI...have also added section on "Exploration" to OHDG article.--Orygun (talk) 23:15, 5 October 2013 (UTC)

New News
Have you been seeing all the latest buzz over Oregon High Desert Grotto's involvement with Oregon Field Guide on the Mt. Hood Sandy Glacier Caves? Some related articles:
 * OPB
 * blog
 * Portland tribune
 * Brent McGregor and caves
 * NPR's Morning Edition

and I'm sure plenty of others in the form of videos, or soon to be released, to say nothing of the actual Oregon Field Guide episode... Leitmotiv (talk) 20:05, 7 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes, have seen lot of ads for OPB show on Sandy Glacier ice cave…am looking forward to seeing it on Thurs. I just moved back to Central Oregon after many yrs away...and must say, it’s nice to have access to programs like OFG again.--Orygun (talk) 23:23, 7 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Hey you are the only other central Oregonian wikipedian that I know of. Were you in the valley before? Leitmotiv (talk) 02:07, 8 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Was in military so I lived all around country plus overseas. Have now settled in Redmond.--Orygun (talk) 06:36, 8 October 2013 (UTC)
 * New article created: Sandy Glacier Caves. Leitmotiv (talk) 23:03, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Hart Lake (Oregon)
Graeme Bartlett (talk) 08:04, 18 October 2013 (UTC)

Congratulations
Congrats on the promotion of Hart Lake (Oregon) to GA. Finetooth (talk) 16:25, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Ray Hatton
Gatoclass (talk) 18:09, 22 November 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Picture Rock Pass Petroglyphs Site
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:31, 22 December 2013 (UTC)

Hillsboro Fire Department
Nice article on Hillsboro Fire Department. Saw that Hillsboro Fire and Rescue logo was very small. It's not a big deal, but I found larger version that still has very good resolution. Is there any reason I shouldn't do pull-and-replce with larger version of HF&R logo.--Orygun (talk) 05:29, 18 January 2014 (UTC)
 * A larger version would be great, but not too large due to FUR issues. I just went with what was on the department's web page, which is a bit small. Aboutmovies (talk) 06:30, 18 January 2014 (UTC)
 * ✅--Orygun (talk) 02:01, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

Dick Magruder and Roger Martin

 * Valfontis: Some time ago, you said you had copies of Oregon Voter magazine which including Who's Who in the 19XX Oregon Legislature editions for 1959-1973.  Am finishing articles on Dick Magruder and Roger Martin who were both in House of Rep's during latter part of that period.  Have enough info for 2 good articles, but am missing one thing...place of birth for both.  Can document that Martin was born in Oregon, but not sure where...probably Portland or Lake Oswego. Am pretty sure Magruder was also born in Oregon...probably in Clatskanie or nearby town with hospital (St Helens perhaps), but haven’t found source to confirm that.  Short bio probably won’t have that info for either, but worth checking.  Also, wouldn’t mind checking your source for stray facts I missed.  If you still have info, can you pass along notes from 1971 session at you conveyance...thanks!  If you don't have this info any more, thanks anyway...appreciate your time!--Orygun (talk) 19:18, 20 January 2014 (UTC)
 * I thought these were in a box but I just looked on the shelf and the 1971 issue was on top. I'll take a look. Valfontis (talk) 19:45, 20 January 2014 (UTC)
 * P.S. I typed a couple of these out verbatim for Aboutmovies. I'm willing to do it again but can you check with him and make sure they weren't Magruder and Martin. I'm pretty sure I did Martin. Valfontis (talk) 19:47, 20 January 2014 (UTC)
 * I've joined the 20th Century and hooked up this scanner someone gave me! Send me an e-mail and I'll send you scans. Valfontis (talk) 21:11, 20 January 2014 (UTC)
 * That would be great. Thanks!--Orygun (talk) 21:19, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Burt K. Snyder
Orlady (talk) 16:04, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

DYK for The Oregon Desert
Materialscientist (talk) 04:11, 7 February 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Roger E. Martin
Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 16:02, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Dick Magruder
Thanks for the help Victuallers (talk) 00:37, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

USGS quad maps

 * What’s the status of Public Domain quad maps from the United States Geographical Survey when they are found on commercial topographical map web-sites? Can I use a USGS map image that is carried on a commercial web-site?  One like this topozone map.  If so, how is the image source recorded when it is uploaded into Wikipedia? Here's a USGS map that is available on Wikipedia Commons.  It cites USGS as the source, but it doesn't say what on-line source it was taken from.--Orygun (talk) 01:32, 23 March 2014 (UTC)
 * They're simply copying PD works, so you can use them, as long as you're not copying stuff they've added; for example, I've seen websites (can't remember at the moment which one/s) that add their logo here and there over the map. The situation is analogous to a newly published book that includes PD-old text: you can copy that text all you want, since it's already in the public domain, and republication of a PD original doesn't recopyright it.  Nyttend (talk) 02:22, 25 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Great...thanks!--Orygun (talk) 06:10, 25 March 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Pine Tavern
Materialscientist (talk) 04:31, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

Corbett State Park
Hello! Your submission of Elliott Corbett Memorial State Recreation Site at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know!
 * Howdy. Not sure if this is an issue but the citation (Oregon State Parks A Complete Recreation Guide) for your hook is not an online source. The second possible source (Atlas of Oregon Lakes) for the hook sentence does not verify the size and location of the park. Canuckle (talk) 17:22, 30 March 2014 (UTC)


 * Thanks for comments on Elliott Corbett Memorial State Recreation Site DYK nomination. I’m 99% sure appropriately documented facts can be used in DYK hooks even if the source isn’t on-line (i.e. taken in good faith when there’s no red flag that raises doubt about the legitimacy of the source); nevertheless, I've provided an ALT hook that can be verified on-line.  New hook is as follows:


 * ALT: "… that Elliott Corbett Memorial State Recreation Site is a wilderness park located along the southern caldera rim of Blue Lake Crater in the Cascade Mountains of Central Oregon?"


 * Online source says in para 1: "...Blue Lake is a small, but very deep Cascade Mountain lake, and is often called "the Crater Lake of the Central Oregon Cascades." …  The lake basin is an explosion crater formed from a violent steam explosion, a result of hot volcanic rock coming in contact with underground water." (i.e. a caldera); in para 3 it says:  "Elliott R. Corbett Memorial State Park (official name is Elliott Corbett Memorial State Recreation Site) includes part of the south and west shores of Blue Lake (USGS maps show its mostly on southern shore).  The park is preserved as a wilderness area …"


 * Hopefully, this addresses your concerns. If so, request you clear DYK for release.  If not, please let me know and I'll do additional follow-up as required.  Thanks!--Orygun (talk) 21:57, 30 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Symbol confirmed.svg ALT hook. QPQ resolved with above. Sorry, my error. Did not see Magnetic anomaly review on my first scan of user contributions & misunderstood the 'Reviewed:Magnetic anomaly' above to be a user named magnetic claiming to have reviewed this nomination. Oops. :) Apologies for mistake made by new reviewer. Looks good to be promoted to DYK Canuckle (talk) 19:53, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Elliott Corbett Memorial State Recreation Site
The DYK project (nominate) 00:02, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Catlow Valley (Oregon)
The DYK project (nominate) 16:02, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Henry L. Corbett
v/r - TP 18:41, 19 May 2014 (UTC) 18:49, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

Saving on-line source
I just expanded article on Arthur Tuck. Most sources I used are on-line at U of O newspaper archive and aren’t likely to disappear. However, one of the best sources is a recent Bend Bulletin article. I think it's likely that article will sooner or later disappear from Bulletin web-site, leaving dead-link in the wiki-article. Is there any way to cash or save the Bulletin article so it will remain available for Wikipedia users?--Orygun (talk) 03:35, 29 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Yes, there is. I entered the URL in the Wayback Machine and clicked "Save this url in the Wayback Machine" so it should now be archived here. A handy tool for sure. Just in case, you can do the same thing to archive any other pages that you need. Jsayre64   (talk)  18:22, 29 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Knew there must be way to save sources...thanks!--Orygun (talk) 05:33, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Arthur Tuck
— Crisco 1492 (talk) 11:33, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Lake County Examiner
— Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:08, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

Trout Creek Mountains
You've probably noticed my edits to the Trout Creek Mountains article. One issue I found is that the geography section disagrees with the infobox about the range's land area. The text's mention of "811 sq mi (2,100 km2) including surrounding lowland areas" is what Peakbagger says, so that's fine, but I don't see the numbers 511 sq mi or 544 sq mi in any of the sources. Do you know where those came from? I intend to add some things and get the article to Good Article status, so that will need to be resolved. Your research has been very good for this article, as always. Jsayre64  (talk)  01:28, 8 August 2014 (UTC)


 * Sorry I didn’t get back to you sooner … was trying to finish up new article on Fossil Lake. Recommend using 811 number since it’s got good source.  Looks like 544 number may have came from Ref #3, which say area is 544 "acres" (but that’s clearly wrong).  It's possible I picked up 544 "sq miles" in my notes.  Regarding 511 number, think that must be combination-typo of 544 (5xx) and 811 (x11).  I should have caught the errors during final edit, but I didn’t. Have changed Geography section to reflect 811 number.  Good luck on GA status.  If there’s anything else I can do to help let me know.--Orygun (talk) 02:10, 9 August 2014 (UTC)


 * I see. Thanks for clearing that up. Nice article on Fossil Lake, by the way. Worthy of a DYK hook. Jsayre64   (talk)  04:25, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Fossil Lake (Oregon)
The DYK project (nominate) 12:02, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

Fossil Lake (Oregon)

 * Wetman…you noted on the Fossil Lake talk page that the ground sloth fossils found at the site were probably Paramylodon harlani. I found this source after I posted the article (see p. 12).  It identifies all 23 mammal species found at Fossil Lake by their scientific names.  The ground sloth is identified as "Mylodon near harlani Owen" which I think is Paramylodon as you say…or at least some closely related species/subspecies.  The article says Cope originally identified the ground sloth as new species, Mylodon sodalist.  However, Stock later showed it was actually Mylodon harlani.  Subsequent study of the very limited specimens indicate that the Fossil Lake animals were larger than the Mylodon harlani specimens found at La Brea; and therefore, are considered "near harlani" until further specimen become available for study.  Based on your comments I’ve changed link to Paramylodon.  Good catch!--Orygun (talk) 20:09, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks! I was intrigued to see ground sloth fossils so far north! Mylodon cf. harlani, signifying a species very comparable to M. harlani, would not be equivalent to the related genus Paramylodon, though that name does suggest "like Mylodon." --Wetman (talk) 02:56, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Chandler State Wayside
The DYK project (nominate) 00:03, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Gerber Reservoir
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:03, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

Douglas fir

 * Peter coxhead - Saw that you reversed my edit that added Douglas fir to Category:Trees of Oregon. Understand your concern that Oregon is covered by Trees of the Northwestern United States category.  However, just so you understand my rationale, I thought since there’s a specific category for Oregon trees and because Douglas fir is Oregon’s official state tree and a Top-priority article for WikiProject Oregon, it would be appropriate to include it in Trees of Oregon even though it overlaps with another category.  While I knew it would create category overlap, I thought this was reasonable/appropriate justification for overlap. Bottom line … I really don’t care one way or the other, but want you to be aware that there was a thoughtful rationale for putting Douglas fir into Oregon trees category.--Orygun (talk) 23:00, 31 August 2014 (UTC)
 * It's not a totally straightforward issue, I agree. There has been a problem with editors using categories such as "Trees of ..." as substitutes for articles such as "List of trees of ...", and this is not what the category system is supposed to be used for. Nor should an article be placed in a category and that category's parent. On the other hand, the category system is a mess, so it's not clear that "random corrections" like mine are really useful. Peter coxhead (talk) 08:05, 1 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Like I said, it really doesn’t matter to me. Just wanted you to know there was rationale for creating overlap…i.e. official state tree was missing from Trees of Oregon category. Thanks for taking the time to put it right.--Orygun (talk) 22:40, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

Oregon hospital articles

 * Ng.j - WikiProject Oregon does a Collaboration of the Month exercise to eliminate red-ink in specific subject categories. This month, our target was Oregon hospitals.  Our COTM produced a number of new hospital articles; however, many of them were written by Aboutmovies.  Since he does a large share of the assessments for the Wiki-Oregon team, most of the new hospital articles are still unassessed.  I’ve got time to do those assessments, but I don’t know enough about hospitals in general to grade them…i.e. need to know required/desirable/nice-to-have elements for generic hospital articles.  I noticed that you assessed several of those new hospital articles for WikiProject Hospitals.  Can you point me to a good example of  and  quality hospital articles (one each) to use as a standard.  Once I’ve done the new articles, I’ll go back and reassess everything else in Category: Hospitals in Oregon to bring all the Wiki-Oregon assessments up-to-date.  Examples don’t need to be Oregon hospitals, as long as articles are good yardstick for assessments.  If you're not the right person to ask about this, I'm sorry for bothering you. In any case, thanks for your time!--Orygun (talk) 05:31, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

Nomination of American Society of Military Comptrollers for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article American Society of Military Comptrollers is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

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DYK for Sisters State Park
— HJ Mitchell &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?  12:03, 30 September 2014 (UTC)

Abert Lake Petroglyphs
Saw your article on Abert Lake Petroglyphs. While you rated it a Stub, I think you effectively summarized everything that's known about that site. FYI, I know where one of the two petroglyph boulders is located and will get a photo next time I'm down that way. Will also look for the other boulder while I’m there. It’s supposed to be within 700 ft of the first, but that’s a pretty big search area when you’re looking for petroglyphs. In any case, congratulations … it’s not often someone captures most of the world’s knowledge on a given subject in a Stub article.--Orygun (talk) 17:38, 30 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your kind words. There are a lot of bad stubs out there. While I don't usually write articles beyond the stub level, I do try to do quality stubs. It would be great if you could get a photo or two for that article sometime. My composition and darkroom skills really aren't up to doing justice to petroglyphs, and your work at Picture Rock Pass was terrific. &mdash; Ipoellet (talk) 18:56, 30 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Not sure when I'll get out there, but its now on my official to-do list.--Orygun (talk) 19:00, 30 September 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Tumalo State Park
— HJ Mitchell &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?  00:04, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Redmond–Bend Juniper State Scenic Corridor
— HJ Mitchell &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?  12:03, 7 October 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Todd Lake (Oregon)
— HJ Mitchell &#124;  Penny for your thoughts?  00:03, 15 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Nice to see an Oregon lake on DYK today! &mdash; Gaff  <b style="color:MediumSlateBlue;">ταλκ</b> 03:01, 15 October 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Elk Lake Guard Station
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:23, 27 November 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Sisters High School (historic)
 Harrias  <sup style="color:#009900;">talk 00:01, 1 January 2015 (UTC)

Staryl C. Austin

 * Finetooth: I've added some new text to Staryl Austin article and broken it up into sections.  Since you recently did some improvement work on that article, though you might want to take a look and make sure you're ok with changes.--Orygun (talk) 22:30, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Orygun. I was hoping you'd pop in and improve the article. You did, and I think it is much better. I went over it once more with a feather duster just now; nothing big. Finetooth (talk) 00:54, 31 January 2015 (UTC)

Hugh E. Conway
Hi Meno25. I saw your rating of the Hugh E. Conway article I uploaded yesterday. Can you tell me what I need to add (or change) to get it up to a level? I thought it was a pretty comprehensive article, covering everything notable about the guy with good sources. I even tracked down hard-copy military documents to ensure all the facts were covered with solid sources. Would appreciate it if you’d take another look at the article and give me some feedback. Thanks!--Orygun (talk) 02:34, 8 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Hi. I am no expert on this subject. For more in depth review, please leave a message on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Economics. Thank you. --Meno25 (talk) 08:08, 8 February 2015 (UTC)

WikiProject Economics: Hi folks! I created an article on Hugh E. Conway, a labor economist and professor. It was initially given a START rating. I contacted Meno25, the editor who did the rating, for feedback on the article rating. He replied that he wasn’t an expert on the Wiki-Project areas that applied to that specific article so he suggested that I ask you folks for a re-assessment. While it isn’t a particularly long article, I think it covers Dr. Conway’s life/career pretty well. I even tracked down some hard-copy military documents to ensure all the facts had solid sources. Would someone from Wiki-Econ please take a second look at this article rating? Thanks!--Orygun (talk) 23:17, 8 February 2015 (UTC)

DYK for Hager Mountain
— Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:12, 8 February 2015 (UTC)

Request Article Review
Aboutmovies: I occasionally do articles outside scope of Wiki-Oregon. Recently, I created article on Hugh E. Conway, a labor economist and professor from back east. It was initially given a START rating. I contacted Meno25 (the editor who did the rating) for feedback. He replied that he wasn’t an expert on any of the Wiki-project areas that he rated and suggested that I contact Wiki-Econ group for a re-assessment. I did that, but didn’t get any reply. I believe you’re Wiki-Bio member which is another relevant Wiki-project for this article. Instead of leaving note on busy Wiki-Bio page, thought I’d see if you had few minutes to take second look at this article’s rating. While it’s not long, I think it’s pretty comprehensive and has good sources. Would you do Wiki-Bio rating re-assessment when you have time? Thanks!--Orygun (talk) 23:58, 15 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks for re-assessing article!--Orygun (talk) 07:34, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

Sourcing question
When writing a bio article about an author or academician, are the books and articles written by the individual consider primary source documents or are they secondary sources based on the fact they are published works. How about the “About the Author” section that discusses the author’s background. Those sections usually have a lot of good info…e.g. where the individual is from, academic credentials, previous works the help establish bona fides, etc.--Orygun (talk) 20:48, 20 February 2015 (UTC)
 * I know of an example of a published author who faked many biography statements in his "about the author" sections of his writings, so we cannot assume that every such statement is reliable. On the other hand, for the typical academic author (the person I am referring is not a mainstream academic), I would ordinarily allow into Wikipedia article text any statement of the nature of "Author was born in ___ on ___" or "Author was educated at ___ and gained a degree in ____ in [year]" as worth of inclusion until proven wrong. Most authors don't cheat about stuff like that when they contribute a chapter to a collection of articles, for example. Statements by the author about the author are primary source documents in the usual case, not secondary sources about the author, and even in the case of those statements being published in another work, we can assume that usually they are passed on by the author without rigorous fact-checking by the volume editor or publisher. But that's a problem only rarely. Such statements can be rebutted by contrary statements from sources independent of the author, but can usually be trusted in the same way, and for the same purposes in editing Wikipedia article text, as statements from an author-controlled blog or other website. -- WeijiBaikeBianji (talk, how I edit) 21:25, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

Follow-up question

 * When including info about an author’s published works in a Wikipedia article, is an officially published book a valid secondary source that can be used to document basic info about the work and its author? For example, here’s an on-line version of a book published by National Defense University.  Would this be an appropriate source to document Wikipedia text that said:  “In 1996, Alan Gropman wrote a book on World War II logistics” in an article about Mr Gropman?  It seems like this should be good secondary sources since it is formally published by independent third-party publishers.--Orygun (talk) 22:12, 24 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Orygun, usually these kinds of questions are best asked at WP:RSN, but the answer is easy: yes, you may use that type of a source, and also, you may use the source itself.  The copyright page of a book is considered not merely "reliably", but also  authoritative for information like the title, author, and date of publication.   (The copyright page of the book can't tell you that said fact is WP:DUE; that's a consideration that independent sources are better at.  Also, please not that WP:Secondary does not mean independent.  Your source might be both secondary and independent, but it might also be primary and independent.) WhatamIdoing (talk) 21:51, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

Possible image for John Turner article

 * Saw your article on John Turner … nice work! I’ve been sitting on a John Turner draft for long time, but decided to see if I could get it published in history journal instead of uploading it to Wikipedia.  During my research, I couldn’t find an image of Turner … which isn’t surprising.  However, I did find an engraving published in 1860 of a mountain man fending off a grizzly.  Since that image is now Public Domain, I modified it for use in Wikipedia.  The modified image shows a mountain man waiving a torch and knife.  Caption would read "John Turner defending his camp" (referring to his 1835 experience on the Rogue River).  While it was not originally an image of Turner, the new version would highlight one on his life events in an 1860 publication format.  Do you think a modified image would add or detract from to your article? Thought I’d ask before uploading the image.--Orygun (talk) 21:28, 1 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes, by all means. I don't think of it as my article, and any edits you make to it will be well received (it can use some help). Images are sometimes the best part of the encyclopedia. I would enjoy reading your paper when it is published. Geirfuglasker (talk) 22:33, 1 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Just uploaded image to article.--Orygun (talk) 01:47, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Nicely done! Geirfuglasker (talk) 03:20, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

DYK for Donald M. Kerr (conservationist)
<small style="color:#999;white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:lightgrey 0.3em 0.3em 0.15em;">&mdash; <big style="color:#ffa439">Coffee //  have a cup  //  beans  // 00:02, 27 March 2015 (UTC)

DYK for Alfred H. Corbett
— Crisco 1492 (talk) 09:30, 7 May 2015 (UTC)

DYK for C. W. E. Jennings
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 22:47, 2 June 2015 (UTC)

120+ year old photograph

 * A photo taken in the United States sometime before 1849 by an unknown photographer is now Public Domain since it was created over 120 years ago … right? If so, what is the correct media copyright tag to use?--Orygun (talk) 07:54, 2 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Was the image published or not. If it was published before 1923 in the US, then PD-1923 applies but if it was only created then and never published PD-US-unpublished will most likely apply though there are some exceptions so you should refer to c:Commons:Copyright_rules_by_territory for some more detail. ww2censor (talk) 12:05, 2 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks!--Orygun (talk) 02:38, 4 July 2015 (UTC)

Incomplete DYK nomination
Hello! Your submission of Template:Did you know nominations/Warner B. Snider at the Did You Know nominations page is not complete; see step 3 of the nomination procedure. If you do not want to continue with the nomination, tag the nomination page with db-g7, or ask a DYK admin. Thank you. DYKHousekeepingBot (talk) 00:56, 4 July 2015 (UTC)


 * Sorry to bother you, but I have same problem as editor above. I submitted DYK nomination for Warner B. Snider article, but I got this bot notice that it was incompleted. However, the nomination shows up on main DYK nomination page on 20 Jun, just like is should.  How do I get bot notice turned off without cancelling or duplicating the existing DYK nomination?--Orygun (talk) 02:45, 4 July 2015 (UTC)
 * asked me about this, and I proposed my theory about what happened. Now that I look through the bot's contributions, I see that the erroneous notices (lots of them) were, indeed, sent to people whose nominations had titles late in the alphabet. M AN d ARAX  •  XAЯA b ИA M  03:36, 4 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Me too! The nomination of Solenosmilia variabilis was made on the 25 June and the hook was approved the following day. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 05:01, 4 July 2015 (UTC)
 * I had this problem as well, but it sounds we can ignore it. Rjmail (talk) 13:47, 4 July 2015 (UTC)
 * So is Rjmail right...i.e. this is non-problem that can be ignored? Or will something bad happen (e.g. our DYK nomination being deleted) if we take no action?--Orygun (talk) 03:42, 5 July 2015 (UTC)
 * You don't have to take any action. Even when this bot operates normally, it only serves to notify you that your nomination is not completed. This normally would mean your nomination isn't visible on the template talk page for DYK, but as others have noted, it appears to have malfunctioned as a result of a recent change. The bot has just delivered an incorrect notification; it will not delete or remove your DYK nom. ~ RobTalk 04:40, 5 July 2015 (UTC)
 * I think I've fixed the bot code. I'm traveling at the moment, will be able to take a closer look in ~18 hours. Mandarax's theory was correct, it's the same as the issue above. Shubinator (talk) 13:04, 5 July 2015 (UTC)

DYK for Warner B. Snider
Gatoclass (talk) 00:01, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

DYK for Joseph Goldsborough Bruff
Gatoclass (talk) 11:19, 23 August 2015 (UTC)

Petroglyph image
Ipoellet...About a year ago, I told you I'd try to get photo image for the Abert Lake Petroglyphs article you started. Finally, got down that way and took petroglyph photo. Thought I'd let you know I just uploaded it to article.--Orygun (talk) 23:35, 7 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Fantastic! Thank you! &mdash; Ipoellet (talk) 00:20, 8 September 2015 (UTC)

DYK for William H. Warner
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 12:02, 9 September 2015 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Lava Fire and Barry Point Fire
Please see Template:Did you know nominations/Lava Fire. Another reviewer believes you should have reviewed two DYK nominations instead of one. I have looked at WP:QPQ, and it all depends on what is meant by "nomination". Unless you can dispute the interpretation, I think you had better do another review and add a link to it. Moonraker (talk) 02:21, 23 September 2015 (UTC)
 * ✅ Thanks for the heads-up. I’ve now done a second review on Tarn-et-Garonne.--Orygun (talk) 02:59, 23 September 2015 (UTC)

Oregon fire articles
Thank you for working on these articles recently. They are great additions to the project! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 04:29, 30 September 2015 (UTC)

Heads-up
I’m not member of Wiki-Bio, but I noticed a major deletion on your assessment request page … see assessment page edit history. It looks like when Mundugumor added review request on 26 Sep, the entry inadvertently deleted about a dozen other pending article assessment requests.--Orygun (talk) 20:35, 30 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Orygun, I've fixed it now. 1bandsaw (talk) 22:12, 30 September 2015 (UTC)

DYK for Lava Fire
Thanks for helping with the DYK project Victuallers (talk) 07:47, 9 October 2015 (UTC)

DYK for Barry Point Fire
Thanks for helping with the DYK project Victuallers (talk) 07:47, 9 October 2015 (UTC)

Trout Creek Mountains TFA
This article was recently promoted to featured status, and I have nominated it to appear as Today's Featured Article (TFA) on the Main Page. You can also view the nomination at the TFA page here. Jsayre64  (talk)  00:27, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Wow...another Feature Article for Wiki-Oregon! While few people have actually visited the Trout Creek Mts, they are very interesting place.  Really glad you took the time to upgrade that article...and nominated it for FA headline on Main Page.--Orygun (talk) 02:41, 21 October 2015 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I'm very interested in the topic. So I'd expect it to be on the Main Page in either November or December, once the date is set. Jsayre64   (talk)  15:51, 21 October 2015 (UTC)

DYK for Crane Mountain
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 12:01, 28 October 2015 (UTC)

DYK for East Lake Abert Archeological District
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 12:01, 21 December 2015 (UTC)

Happy New Year


Wishing you the very best in 2016 Finetooth (talk) 19:20, 31 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Thanks ... same for you!--Orygun (talk) 03:21, 5 January 2016 (UTC)

DYK for Ben Musa
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 12:01, 20 January 2016 (UTC)

Wiki-Oregon upgrades to High importance
The next 2 bullets were imported from the Wiki-Oregon talk page.

Now that the Top discussion is wrapping up, time to move on to the High category. On this one, we are around 400 articles off our artificial goal. Since we had about eight editors participate, if we all just go through the Mid and Low categories and randomly move up 50 based on the criteria already outlined and mixed with some personal opinions, that would get us about there, or close enough. So go forth and move some up. You don't have to do 50, and you did not have to vote or have participated in the above discussion. Aboutmovies (talk) 19:00, 8 January 2016 (UTC)
 * I did title-review of all Mid importance articles this weekend, and only found 35 I thought were upgrade candidates. I've posted them on bottom of my User page for anyone who's interested.  While I'm sure I missed some, I don't think there's anywhere near 400 articles worthy of upgrade.  Think we need to be careful we don't upgrading articles that aren't worthy of High importance rating.  I'll wait week/so before I change any article ratings to High just in case anyone has a problem with any of my picks...just leave me note on my talk page.--Orygun (talk) 23:19, 11 January 2016 (UTC)

✅...the Wiki-Oregon articles below were upgraded to High based on above discussion.--Orygun (talk) 23:44, 22 January 2016 (UTC) Snake River, Three Sisters (Oregon), Champoeg Meetings, Edith Green, Harry D. Boivin, Henry W. Corbett, Henry Pittock, Lewis A. McArthur, James Nesmith, Oregon Maneuver, Robert Gray (sea captain), Bonneville Dam, Deschutes River (Oregon), Frances Fuller Victor, Chief Joseph, Oregon Geographic Names, Oregon Steam Navigation Company, Oswald West, Historic Columbia River Highway, John Strong Newberry, Oregon Attorney General, Oregon Blue Book, Oregon Historical Society, Oregon Secretary of State, Oregon State Treasurer, Peter Skene Ogden, Pioneer Courthouse, Thomas Condon, Warm Springs Indian Reservation, Kam Wah Chung & Co. Museum, Mary Jane Spurlin, Deschutes National Forest, Pendleton Round-Up, Paulina (Paiute leader) William "Bill" Hanley, William Gladstone Steel, Fort Rock Cave
 * Mid to High upgrades:
 * Low to High upgrades:

DYK for Boyd R. Overhulse
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 12:02, 22 February 2016 (UTC)

DYK for W. Lair Thompson
<small style="color:#999;white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:lightgrey 0.3em 0.3em 0.15em;">&mdash; <big style="color:#ffa439">Coffee //  have a cup  //  beans  // 00:01, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

DYK for Jay H. Upton
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 13:18, 24 March 2016 (UTC)

DYK for Charles A. Cogswell
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 12:11, 11 April 2016 (UTC)

Crump Lake (Oregon)
Wikipedia UNDO policy: "If you are undoing an edit that is not vandalism, explain the reason in the edit summary. Do not use the default message only."

I know it's a pain at times, but it tells other editors what you consider wrong. It's also good to offer suggestions. But you're not new to Wiki editing, you must know this. Regards. — 72.234.220.38 (talk) 08:24, 13 May 2016 (UTC)


 * You’re right should have added note to the undo, but I thought with the edit that followed rationale would be clear. Obviously, it wasn’t so here’s what I intended … normally intro paragraph doesn’t need footnotes as long as the information is cited somewhere in the article.  In this case, you were right my original text was rather redundant so I restore the more detailed text to the main body of the article along with the footnote citation and then simplified the intro text in a separate edited that followed immediately after the undo.  Also, I may not have bothered with these changes except that the source (Oregon Geographic Names, 7th edition) doesn’t have any info on the birth/death of Thomas Crump so previous edit overstated the info found in that source.  Bottomline ... my goal was to keep the intro simple with details and citations in the body of the article.--Orygun (talk) 22:12, 13 May 2016 (UTC)


 * Ah, I now have a much better understanding of how you were formatting the article, and I now also see it is "your baby", so big props on creating it. I did make a mistake by not adding the citation on the birth/death of Thomas Crump as I have done in another article.  I will remedy that.  Yes, keeping the intro simple with details and citations in the body of the article is the current "best practice" on Wikipedia articles and this one follows that quite well. Thanks for what you do Symbol thumbs up color.svg and regards. — 72.234.220.38 (talk) 04:59, 14 May 2016 (UTC)

DYK for Crump Lake (Oregon)
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 01:57, 16 May 2016 (UTC)

DYK for Robert Hess (artist)
— Maile (talk) 00:01, 19 June 2016 (UTC)

DYK for Goodwillie–Allen House
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 12:46, 27 July 2016 (UTC)

The Oregon Desert
Mannanan51: Why did you merge the Reub Long article into the The Oregon Desert article? The person and the book are both notable in their own right. In addition, the second author E. R. Jackman has a stand-alone article. In this case, combining author and books into one article doesn’t make sense. Would you mind if I separated the two again?--Orygun (talk) 03:47, 12 August 2016 (UTC)


 * Both the E. R. Jackman and R. A. Long articles had merge tags dating back to April 2014, apparently because someone felt that it was the book for which they were most notable. Others may disagree. I have no opinion in the matter, but was merely working on cleaning up some of the older listings. Rest assured I have no objection whatsoever if you wish to revert, but in that case it would probably be best to also remove the tags, (which as you see remains still on E.R. Jackman). Do whatever you think best. Mannanan51 (talk) 20:52, 12 August 2016 (UTC)


 * In that case I'm going to reverse the merger. I was watching for any comment on the merger tag and was thinking about removing it since no one had posted any comments during 2 yrs tag was in place.--Orygun (talk) 21:03, 12 August 2016 (UTC)

DYK for Denton G. Burdick
Gatoclass (talk) 00:01, 27 August 2016 (UTC)

DYK for Lava bear
Gatoclass (talk) 00:01, 22 September 2016 (UTC)

Edward A Geary assessment

 * I see you rated article on Edward A. Geary as a .  What needs to be added to get it up to  level?  I've been through ~50 years of newspaper articles plus available state legislative records.  Before I go back to look for more info, I'd like to know what I need to look for.--Orygun (talk) 17:28, 8 October 2016 (UTC)


 * Nothing. It was a mistake. I do hundreds of article assements every week, so, it is quite natural to make a mistake every now and then. I reassessed the article. Thank you for your work. Best wishes. --Meno25 (talk) 12:46, 10 October 2016 (UTC)


 * Appreciate second look!--Orygun (talk) 17:54, 10 October 2016 (UTC)

DYK for Edward A. Geary
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:21, 25 October 2016 (UTC)

DYK for Stephen P. Moss (Oregon politician)
— Maile (talk) 00:01, 30 November 2016 (UTC)

DYK for Glass Buttes
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:01, 23 December 2016 (UTC)

DYK for William L. Sullivan (author)
 Schwede 66  00:01, 25 January 2017 (UTC)

DYK for William V. Rinehart
Mifter (talk) 12:02, 3 March 2017 (UTC)

DYK for James B. Thayer
Mifter (talk) 12:03, 13 March 2017 (UTC)

Oregon assessment matrix
Does anyone here know how the Oregon articles by quality and importance matrix works? I couldn’t find anyone from Wiki-Oregon team who knows how it works. All of the articles shown as needing assessments were rated at least a month ago; and since then, nothing has been added or dropped from the matrix. Bottomline … it looks like the matrix is dead in the water. Sorry, if this isn’t the right place to inquire.--Orygun (talk) 01:14, 30 March 2017 (UTC)
 * The BOT has been down since early February, take a look at the various posts at Wikipedia talk:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Index. For the time being you can run it manually whenever you want at https://tools.wmflabs.org/enwp10/cgi-bin/update.fcgi. Keith D (talk) 12:45, 30 March 2017 (UTC)
 * We're trying to find someone new who can take over the maintenance of the bot. In the meantime, the former people have been contacted via email, and we'll just have to run the bot manually. Walkerma (talk) 04:26, 2 April 2017 (UTC)

DYK for Harley J. Overturf
Mifter (talk) 05:48, 3 May 2017 (UTC)

Rowley DYK review
Many thanks for your DYK review of the William R. Rowley article. -- Gwillhickers (talk) 04:19, 27 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Gwillhickers, I also added a military info box to the article.--Orygun (talk) 08:02, 27 May 2017 (UTC)

DYK for Albert H. Densmore
IronGargoyle (talk) 00:03, 29 June 2017 (UTC)

University logo
What is the status of a university logo image that was published before 1923? Is that logo image now Public Domain like other images published before that date?--Orygun (talk) 03:37, 4 July 2017 (UTC)
 * If you can be sure that it was published before 1923 (proof is always good) then it is public domain in the US (and thus OK to use on enwiki). Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 14:54, 4 July 2017 (UTC)

DYK for Mark W. Bullard
Alex ShihTalk 12:04, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

DYK for Henry Semon
Vanamonde (talk) 01:17, 16 August 2017 (UTC)

DYK for George H. Merryman
Alex ShihTalk 00:03, 19 September 2017 (UTC)

DYK for Cinder Butte Fire
Alex ShihTalk 01:32, 13 October 2017 (UTC)

DYK for Milli Fire
— Maile (talk) 00:03, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

DYK for Horace P. Belknap
Alex Shih (talk) 00:06, 13 December 2017 (UTC)

DYK for Hazen A. Brattain
Mifter (talk) 15:32, 18 January 2018 (UTC)

Government photos from a country that no longer exists

 * I have a large number photographic images originally produced by the Government of Manchukuo, which only existed between 1932 and 1945. They were given to my grandfather when he visited that country in 1934. Are those images Public Domain.--Orygun (talk) 21:28, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

DYK for Cline Buttes
Gatoclass (talk) 00:47, 24 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Please make sure easy to spot geological-era date errors are fixed next time before you submit an article to DYK. This source on page 5 shows that the John Day Formation was formed in the late Oligocene or early Miocene epoch, that time frame is much older than six million years it is actually between 27.82 Ma and 20.44 Ma. This fact is easily retrievable from the charts on Oligocene and Miocene. Unfortunately this error was not fixed before the article made it to the main page. So the few thousand people who read this yesterday got bad information, and at least one of our readers is not very happy. I know it wasn't your intent, but we do like to make sure our Main Page's content is as reliable as it can be. <small style="color:#999;white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:lightgrey 0.3em 0.3em 0.15em;">&mdash; <big style="color:#ffa439">Coffee //  have a ☕️ //  beans  // 14:49, 24 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Coffee: You are right...my oversight! I'm usually pretty careful about my facts. I think 6 Ma number came from early off-line draft that used source that said Cline Butte rhyolite came from Deschutes Formation.  When I found more comprehensive source I corrected text to read John Day Formation, but forgot to change dates.  My mistake!  Thanks for correcting article text!  I’ve corrected infobox to match text.--Orygun (talk) 20:23, 24 January 2018 (UTC)

DYK for Summer Lake Hot Springs
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:37, 12 February 2018 (UTC)

DYK for Barney Prine
Alex Shih (talk) 00:03, 27 March 2018 (UTC)

DYK for Thomas D. Keizur
Gatoclass (talk) 00:02, 20 April 2018 (UTC)

DYK for Oregon Emergency Board
Gatoclass (talk) 12:02, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

DYK for Bill Brown (rancher)
Alex Shih (talk) 00:02, 19 June 2018 (UTC)

Cass A. Cline edit

 * Flixtey, looks like you may be new Wikipedia editor. You just added "Needs Citation" notes to first paragraph of Cass A. Cline article. FYI, first paragraph in substantial articles like this one are normally an introduction using facts that are cited later in the article.  In this case, all three facts are appropriately cited farther down in article so Needs Citation note is not appropriate.  Request you reconsider your edit.  Thanks--Orygun (talk)
 * Orygun thanks for your comments, I think it's crucial that claims made on a Wikipedia article irrespective of where they are placed, are adequately cited to create relevance to the reader. I think some of these citations will only help a reader who may not have the opportunity to read the full article to at least have the chance to grasp some reliable sources for such important claims/facts (eg:Today, a waterfall on the Deschutes River and a nearby mountain group bear his name as well as a state park west of Redmond, Oregon). Rules on referencing lead sections are not cast in stone however in some cases like this it may be relevant to the reader --Flixtey (talk) 01:24, 30 June 2018 (UTC)
 * While I disagree that redundant citations are useful in this case, I have added duplicate citations to the introduction paragraph.--Orygun (talk) 07:35, 30 June 2018 (UTC)


 * Here's feedback from DYK nomination reviewer that agrees that references are not needed in lead paragraph as long as the facts are referenced in the body of the article:

Cass A. Cline

Source: In the book Images of America: Redmond on p. 28, it says: "Cline Falls, Cline Buttes, and the now-extinct community [of Cline Falls] were named for pioneer dentist Dr. Cass A. Cline."
 * ... that Cline Falls and Cline Buttes in Central Oregon are named after pioneer dentist Cass A. Cline?
 * Reviewed: Echinaster callosus

Created by Orygun (talk). Self-nominated at 19:18, 1 July 2018 (UTC).


 * Symbol voting keep.svg Interesting life on good sources, offline sources accepted AGF, no copyvio obvious. - You don't need references in the lead as long as the facts summarizd are references in the body. I normally advise to have the bold link as the first link in a hook, but woud not know how to do that elegantly here. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:11, 2 July 2018 (UTC)

DYK for Cass A. Cline
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:02, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

Precious
--Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:05, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

A year ago, you were recipient no. 1979 of Precious, a prize of QAI! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:27, 20 July 2019 (UTC)

Cline Buttes GAN
Hi, Orygun! I am working on promoting every Cascade Volcano to good article status as part of the Cascades Volcanoes good topic project. I saw that you've already written a very solid article at Cline Buttes, and I wanted to check in to see if you would be willing to submit it for good article review at GAN. I would be more than happy to help with the process if so.  ceran  thor 19:45, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Any thoughts?  ceran  thor 12:51, 16 August 2018 (UTC)


 * Ceranthor: Fact is, I’ve never nominated an article for GA status so I’m really not familiar with that process. My goal has always to write good solid articles and let them go.  However, I would be glad to help improve the Cline Buttes article as long as it doesn’t take too much time.  That concern stems from the fact that I have a number article in the works and I want to finish a new article each month.--Orygun (talk) 07:00, 18 August 2018 (UTC)
 * I do think the geography and geology sections should be split into two and expanded, but otherwise it's in very good shape. I'd be happy to take care of that and help you with the nomination process if you want. Let me know!  ceran  thor 18:20, 19 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Ok, I’ll give it a try. How do I nominate the article for  review.--Orygun (talk) 23:51, 20 August 2018 (UTC)
 * If you don't mind, I'd prefer to flesh out the geography/geology section a bit first. I think I can do that today - would that be okay?  ceran  thor 16:30, 21 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Fine with me.--Orygun (talk) 18:44, 21 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Great! I've added a bit now. I'm mostly happy. Just need to figure out your reference style so I can adjust my added sources to that, and then I wanted to ask about the John Day Formation bit you've already included there. This thesis paper seems to suggest that Cline Buttes may not be part of the John Day Formation after all - thoughts?  ceran  thor 20:36, 21 August 2018 (UTC)
 * I couldn't access details of source you cited above, only the abstract; however, my source/rationale for identifying Cline Buttes as being created as part of the John Day Formation is addressed on Talk:Cline Buttes page.--Orygun (talk)
 * Alright! If you want to go ahead and nominate it for good article review, the link is here: Good_article_nominations/Instructions  ceran  thor 00:32, 23 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Think I've got GA process started. Will see how it goes from there.--Orygun (talk) 19:00, 25 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Great, thanks!  ceran  thor 12:55, 27 August 2018 (UTC)

DYK for Gordon W. McKay
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DYK for Alan L. Gropman
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DYK for Oregon Military Museum
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DYK for Les Joslin (author)
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DYK for A. Wilson Greene
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DYK for Rose M. Poole
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F. F. Montgomery
Hi there Orygun! As you've contributed many great Oregon state legislator articles, I was wondering if you might have any resources that might be able to confirm former Oregon State House speaker F. F. Montgomery's years in office as a state representative? I have searched around but can't seem to find anything definitive - any help would be great. Thanks! Connormah (talk) 04:55, 18 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes, I have good source for you. It’s List of Oregon Legislators by Session from Oregon State Archives published on-line.  You will need to look up House membership by session to confirm sessions he was member of House.  You will find a page for each session ... this one shows Montgomery served as Speaker during 1967 regular session. Quick look showed he served in five regular session...‘59/’61/’63/’65 (as Speaker)/’67 (as Speaker) plus several special session along the way.  You’ll want to take closer look, just to be sure.--Orygun (talk) 07:02, 18 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks for this, that's definitely a very helpful resource to have on hand for the future. Cheers, Connormah (talk) 19:45, 18 January 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Truman W. Collins
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Your GA nomination of Cline Buttes
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DYK for Byron A. Stover
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Your GA nomination of Cline Buttes
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DYK for James F. Short
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DYK for Cline Falls
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DYK for Harvey H. DeArmond
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DYK for Brooks Resources
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DYK for Brooks-Scanlon Lumber Company
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DYK for Vernon A. Forbes
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DYK for Ole W. Grubb
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DYK for Delford M. Smith
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 * Congratulations. Keep contributing.-Nizil (talk) 11:29, 13 November 2019 (UTC)

File source problem with File:Capt Ernest Price in China.JPG
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 * The photography in question was originally taken by a United States Army photographer in China at the end of World War II. It is not available on-line. The version I uploaded was made from Captain Price's personal copy of the Army photograph provided to me by his son, Ernest B. Price Jr.--Orygun (talk) 22:45, 23 December 2019 (UTC) —Orygun


 * Image file is now available on Wikimedia Commons as File:Capt Ernest Price announces Japanese surrender in China.JPG

DYK for J. Patrick Metke
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DYK for Kessler R. Cannon
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Precious anniversary
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DYK for Wesley O. Smith
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John H. Carkin Rating
Oronsay … You recently rated John H. Carkin article "Low " importance in WikiProject Oregon assessment banner box on Carkin Talk Page. According to WikiProject Oregon assessment guide: "State-level politicians (supreme court judges, members of the house/senate, mayors, secretary of state, etc.) should remain in the Low category unless they served in multiple places (Paulus in both legislature and sec. of state), or had a leadership role in their branch (Chief Justice, Speaker of the House , etc.) then up to Mid. " Since Carkin was Speaker of the Oregon House of Representstives in 1927-28, he should be rated "Mid" importance according to the WikiProject Oregon guidelines. Base on that guidance, I request you reconsider your original importance rating. Thanks! You can find above guidance inside first green bar link, labeled “People” on WikiProject Oregon/Assessment page … see third bullet.--Orygun (talk) 07:32, 6 December 2020 (UTC)
 * My apologies. My intention was to add Biography, not interfere with the existing rating. I have now rectified this, but do feel free to adjust assessments yourself in future. Oronsay (talk) 19:54, 6 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Any thoughts on what needs to be added to get rating up to level?--Orygun (talk) 20:55, 6 December 2020 (UTC)
 * I am always conservative in my ratings. Talk to other members of the Oregon project. Another rater experienced in your area may upgrade it. Oronsay (talk) 22:05, 6 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Would you take a look at rating for John H. Carkin article for WikiProj Oregon...thanks!--Orygun (talk) 22:18, 6 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks!--Orygun (talk) 23:00, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

DYK for John H. Carkin
Cwmhiraeth (talk) 00:02, 3 January 2021 (UTC)

DYK for Frank J. Van Dyke
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DYK for Ernest R. Fatland
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DYK for Virgil Conn
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Well hello
I just wandered by and saw that you still had the 100DYK medal on show from five years ago (brill!). I actually came to ask your advice. I recently wrote an article for Women in Red about Mary Speke. I wrote a hook and was pleased when you gave in a clean sheet against the DYK criteria. Great! Now... my articles are not up to your standard, but more than 500 or so have passed the DYK bar (I have lost count of my contributions!). So my article is written and reviewed, but now another editor has challenged the article, fine (and its approval.. really!) and insists that I address his/her enquiry about some point I can only speculate about. (The actual detail of the change is not the point here IMO). The reviewer has then added their speculation and is asking me to tick the changes before they approve it. I have waived that honour. It feels to me like a police officer who pulls you over for a missing tail light and then asks you what you think of their sports team. Is this acceptable practice? As you were then first reviewer and you have some experience at DYK then can you pass judgement. Telling me to "grow up its 2021 now!" is OK. Victuallers (talk) 15:01, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
 * , I read DYK comments on Talk:Mary Speke. I see your point about the comments being related to the article’s general content instead of focusing on hook.  My review verified DYK basics … hook source, length, timeliness, etc.  It appears DYK editor recognized basics were good-to-go, but thought a specific aspect of the article wasn’t clear.  Unlike writers like myself, who do periodic reviews to fill QPQ reqmt, DYK editors belong to a special Wiki-Proj group that do all the final promotion reviews and set-up DYK section for Main Page.  It is my experience that they are not only concerned about ensuring hooks are clear/concise/interesting, they also want to verify article being highlighted is clear/accurate.  I have found their comments range from good suggestions regarding hook and/or article to things that are extremely trivial … e.g. DYK editor recently wanted me to add the same in-line citation to three consecutive sentences to cover three specific facts included in the hook.  That didn’t make sense to me, but I did it … and hook was approved.  In the end, DYK editors have final say regarding what gets posted on Main Page, so I go with the flow … pushing back just delays approval.  In any case, it looks like DYK editor has now approved your hook so it will be added to prep area when space is avail. Congratulation on making it through the DYK muddle!--Orygun (talk) 20:55, 23 May 2021 (UTC)

DYK for Uriah F. Abshier
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Tips for articles
Hello, I just reviewed Ira F. M. Butler and I loved it, but I noticed that you made a small error. For Americans you use the Month/Day/Year format. That is all. Jon698 (talk) 21:15, 14 June 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks for reviewing my DYK submission! As you probably know, U.S. armed forces all use Day/Month/Year convention ... and some of us carry that habit over into our Wiki-articles. I have always felt date convention was soft rule since there are English speakers around the world that use different date conventions and even in U.S. different formats are used by military and others ... e.g. State Dept uses Day/Month/Year on U.S. passports.--Orygun (talk) 22:06, 14 June 2021 (UTC)

DYK for Ira F. M. Butler
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DYK for Robert McLean (minister)
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DYK for William M. King
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DYK for Stauffer, Oregon
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DYK for William A. Massingill
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DYK for Fremont, Oregon
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