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Requested copy edit for Petersen Rock Garden is complete

 * Thank you so much, Jonesey95. Much appreciated! -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 15:33, 8 August 2013 (UTC)

Great American Wiknic Barnstar

 * Thanks, Pharos! -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 00:31, 9 August 2013 (UTC)

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A Song Flung Up to Heaven
Hey AB, would you mind making your support for A Song Flung Up to Heaven more clear? Featured article candidates/A Song Flung Up to Heaven/archive1. I swear, sometimes I can find neither rhyme or reason to FAC. Sometimes, my articles pass easily, and quicker than I anticipate, and other times they languish for weeks. I'm sure has more to do with the volunteers' time and other stuff going on in their lives, but it can be maddening at times, especially when I'm trying to get through to the next round in the Wikicup. So I'd appreciate your assistance. Thanks. Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 16:34, 10 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Congrats on the article's promotion! -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 15:35, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Ashurbanipal (sculpture)
Hello, Another Believer. Thank you for writing up the wikiarticle about this statue (pictured right). I gotta check it out the next time I visit SF. Anyway, I should let you know that I've nominated it for DYK. Happy editing! Cheers! --PFHLai (talk) 18:48, 11 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for nominating a DYK hook. The QPQ requirement deters me from nominating articles myself, but I am always glad to see my work on the Main Page! I've been writing a lot about public art lately, so expect more soon! -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 19:18, 11 August 2013 (UTC)

Assyrian Universal Alliance Foundation
Dear Another Believer, The reason for my deletion of the reference to the Assyrian Foundation for the Arts being the same as Assyrian Universal Alliance Foundation is not a true statement.

I was one of the founders of AFA along with the president, Narsai David. We formed the foundation in his restaurant in Kensington, Ca and I even designed the logo. The AUA Foundation in Chicago may have been one of the contributors, but they were not in any way a part the AFA.

When you look at their reference to the AUAF page, it states that Fred Parhad was commissioned by AUAF to erect the monument in San Francisco... they can claim that all they want (you can call that stretching the truth!) but that reference does not show evidence of the two foundations being connected. (Sooreta (talk) 22:51, 25 October 2013 (UTC))

Your GA nomination of Shemanski Fountain
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Your GA nomination of Shemanski Fountain
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Thanks
Thanks for your editorial contributions to Drowning Girl, which has recently become a WP:FA.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 14:36, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Goodness, that is very thoughtful, but my contributions were minimal... The thanks and congrats go to you! (Keep up the amazing Lichtenstein work.) -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 15:07, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Shemanski Fountain
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Thank you
Thank you. I will start on another jazz article... I do not know which one yet, but I will let you know. Cheers. Javier Espinoza (talk) 16:22, 24 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Sounds great! I was just looking at Grammy Award for Best Latin Jazz Album when I received your message. -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 16:24, 24 August 2013 (UTC)

When God Writes Your Love Story
Hi Jason,

Thanks for the congratulations! It was good to meet you in DC. Your comments during our roundtable discussions there were greatly appreciated.

Neelix (talk) 00:51, 26 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Hi Jason,


 * As someone who as expressed an interest in this article, I thought that you should be notified of the article's current featured article review. Any constructive comments you would be willing to provide there would be greatly appreciated.


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DYK for Ashurbanipal (sculpture)
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Wikipedia Takes Portland 2013!
-- Another Believer ( Talk ) 15:12, 26 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I noticed you updated the count again at the Wikipedia Takes America/Portland/2013 page, but here's something you might not have noticed: Ipoellet has uploaded several Portland NRHP-site photos in recent days (coincidentally starting right about the time I mentioned in a message to you [on my talk page] that most of his recent uploads had been from outside the Portland area), but none of them is reflected in the count you have been using. That's because, I noticed, he hasn't put any of them into the Commons:Category:Images from Wikipedia Takes Portland 2013, which is what generates that total (currently standing at 375).  He included the Wikipedia Loves Monuments 2013 template, which automatically put the photos into some categories related to the September 2013 campaign, but the Portland category must be added manually, and he hasn't done that for the few I checked at random.  I don't know whether it was a conscious choice or not, so I haven't added that cat myself, but maybe I (or you) should.  I also noticed that none of Visitor7's uploads of Rocky Butte was placed in the Portland WLM 2013 cat, but in that instance it appears that he wasn't aware that they showed a site that's listed on the NRHP, an issue I've tried to address briefly by adding an NRHP infobox at Rocky Butte.  Two of those photos, this one and this one, are absolutely stunning.  SJ Morg (talk) 05:54, 30 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Regarding the above, I suppose I should just leave a message on their talk pages, but since you have much more experience with these kinds of campaigns than I do, I figured I'd ask for your thoughts first. By the way, it's very strange to me that of the 13 users listed as "participants" at the page for this effort, only four (you, me, Visitor7 and Ipoellet) have actually made any contributions. The other nine have not made a single contribution related to this, at either Commons or Wikipedia, and several are newly created accounts that have not made any edits to any article or at Commons, whether NRHP-related or not; in effect, they are non-existent users.  I'm not a suspicious person by nature, but I cannot help being a little suspicious when 9 out of 13 self-identified users have not actually "participated" at all, not even with a single edit. SJ Morg (talk) 07:41, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

WikiCup 2013 August newsletter
This year's final is upon us. Our final eight, in order of last round's score, are:
 * , a WikiCup newcomer who has contributed on topics of military history and physics, including a number of high-importance topics. Good articles have made up the bulk of his points, but he has also scored a great deal of bonus points. He has the second highest score overall so far, with more than 3000 points accumulated.
 * , another WikiCup veteran who reached the finals in 2012, 2011 and 2010. He writes on a variety of topics including botany, mycology and astronomy, and has claimed the highest or joint highest number of featured articles every round so far this year. He has the third highest score overall, with just under 3000 points accumulated.
 * , 2012 WikiCup champion, who writes mostly on marine biology. She has also contributed to high-importance topics, seeing huge numbers of bonus points for high-importance featured and good articles. Previous rounds have seen her scoring the most bonus points, with scoring spread across did you knows, good articles and featured articles.
 * , a WikiCup veteran who finished in second place in 2012, and competed as early as 2009. He writes articles on biology, especially mycology, and has scored highly for a number of collaborations at featured article candidates.
 * , the winner of the 2010 competition. His contributions mostly concern Naval history, and he has scored a very large number of points for good articles and good article reviews in every round. He is the highest scorer overall this year, with over 3500 points in total.
 * , who is competing in the WikiCup for the second time, though this will be her first time in the final. A regular at FAC, she is mostly interested in British medieval history, and has scored very highly for some top-importance featured articles on the topic.
 * , a finalist in 2012 and 2011. He writes on a broad variety of topics, with many of this year's points coming from good articles about Star Trek. Good articles make up the bulk of his points, and he had the most good articles back in round 2; he was also the highest scorer for DYK in rounds 1 and 2.
 * 1) has previously been involved with the WikiCup, but hasn't participated for a number of years. He scores mostly from restoration work leading to featured picture credits, but has also done some article writing and reviewing.

We say goodbye to eight great participants who did not qualify for the final:, , , , , , ,. Having made it to this stage is still an excellent achievement, and you can leave with your heads held high. We hope to see you all again next year. Signups are now open for the 2014 WikiCup, which will begin on 1 January. All Wikipedians, whatever their interest or level of experience, are warmly invited to participate in next year's competition.

This last month has seen some incredible contributions; for instance, Cwmhiraeth's Starfish and Ealdgyth's Battle of Hastings—two highly important, highly viewed pages—made it to featured article status. It would be all too easy to focus solely on these stunning achievements at the expense of those participants working in lower-scoring areas, when in fact all WikiCup participants are doing excellent work. A mention of everything done is impossible, but here are a few: Last round saw the completion of several good topics (on the 1958, 1959 and 1962 Atlantic hurricane seasons) to which 12george1 had contributed. Calvin999 saw "S&M" (song), on which he has been working for several years, through to featured article status on its tenth try. Figureskatingfan continued towards her goal of a broad featured/good topic on Maya Angelou, with two featured and four good articles. ThaddeusB contributed significantly to over 20 articles which appeared on the main page's "in the news" section. Adam Cuerden continued to restore a large number of historical images, resulting in over a dozen FP credits this round alone. The WikiCup is not just about top-importance featured articles, and the work of all of these users is worthy of commendation.

Finally, the usual notices: If you are concerned that your nomination—whether it is at good article candidates, a featured process, or anywhere else—will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on WikiCup/Reviews. If you want to help out with the WikiCup, please do your bit to reduce the review backlogs! Questions are welcome on Wikipedia talk:WikiCup, and the judges are reachable on their talk pages or by email. Good luck! If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. J Milburn (talk • email) and The ed17 (talk • email) 05:38, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

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Bacon thanks
Thanks for your kind words about my recent successful GA, FA, TFA contributions to Everything Tastes Better with Bacon.

I really appreciate it.

It's nice to know that my quality improvement projects on this website are appreciated and acknowledged.

Thanks again,

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Shemanski Fountain

 * Thank you so much for your time and assistance. I will review your edits as soon as possible. Again, much appreciated! -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 05:13, 4 September 2013 (UTC)
 * No worries; I'd say good luck with your nomination but it's already a GA, so good luck with the article anyway. :-) Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 17:12, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Ashurbanipal (sculpture)
Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Ashurbanipal (sculpture) you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Moswento -- 16:15, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

Great Gatsby
I will see what can I do the next week. Would you want it to be a nomination between the two of us, as you created the article and helped me while editing it? My love is love (talk) 16:17, 5 September 2013 (UTC)
 * I know that you didn't post the message to seek credit for promoting the article; I was actually asking you because I think your contributions to the article were really good. The lead of the article, the commercial reception and the promotion sections should be expanded and I will see if I can find more reviews. My love is love (talk) 16:34, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

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Thanks
There are no more Roy Lichtenstein works that I want to take to WP:FA (having done the three most important). There are probably a few more worth taking to GA. Still hoping that Whaam! gets WP:OTD on the 50th anniversary since it didn't get WP:TFA. We'll see. His bio is worth taking to FA, but I really only have a high interest in a 5 year period of his career. I would be willing to help toward FA, but should not take the lead on that one. I may take Okay Hot-Shot, Okay! to WP:MHR soon. I'll let you know if I do.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 18:05, 20 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Actually, now I just opened WikiProject Military history/Assessment/Okay Hot-Shot, Okay!--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 18:15, 20 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks again. Still looking for reviewers at WikiProject Military history/Assessment/Okay Hot-Shot, Okay!--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 18:18, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

If you are a sports fan, I could use reviewers at Featured article candidates/2012–13 Michigan Wolverines men's basketball team/archive1‎. After that, I may revisit Michelle Obama, which seems to have been refined quite well. Not sure if I am going to nominate it at FAC or not, because I have not looked closely at prior FACs. I haven't done a FLC in a while, but hope to bring List of awards and nominations received by Hill Street Blues to that level. My GAC pipeline is currently Cliff Alexander and Zak Irvin (I already have about 10 things at GAC).--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 18:02, 20 September 2013 (UTC)

Albers Brothers Milling Company
Thank you for pointing that out. I'm not surprised at all - I started those drafts in my sandbox several years ago, then moved away from writing articles toward taking pictures. I was just recenly thinking of coming back to those sandbox items. BTW, for what it's worth, the Albers Brothers Milling Company article will likely need some disambiguation, possibly in the title, because there is also an "Albers Brothers Mill" on the NRHP in Tacoma. &mdash; Ipoellet (talk) 22:00, 24 September 2013 (UTC)
 * ✅. Thanks for creating this additional article. -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 14:52, 27 September 2013 (UTC)

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Request filled

 * Thank you for your time and assistance. I made one edit to one of your changes (reverting an edit to a quotation). Please let me know if you have any questions or concerns. -- Another Believer ( Talk )

WikiCup 2013 September newsletter
In 30 days, we will know the identity of our 2013 WikiCup champion. currently leads; if that lead is held, she will become the first person to have won the WikiCup twice. , —who has never participated in the competition before—and follow. The majority of points in this round have come from a mix of good articles and bonus points. This final round is seeing contributions to a number of highly important topics; recent submissions include Phoenix (constellation) (FA by Casliber), Ernest Lawrence (GA by Hawkeye7), Pinniped, and red fox (both GAs by Sasata).

The did you know (DYK) eligibility criteria have recently changed, meaning that newly passed good articles are accepted as "new" for did you know purposes. However, in the interests of not changing the WikiCup rules mid-competition, please note that only articles eligible for DYK under the old system (that is, newly created articles or 5x expansions) will be eligible for points in this year's WikiCup. We do, however, have time to discuss how this new system will work for next year's competition; a discussion will be opened in due course. On that note, thoughts are welcome on changes you'd like to see for next year. What worked? What didn't work? What would you like to see more of? What would you like to see less of? All Wikipedians, new or old, are also warmly invited to sign up for the 2014 WikiCup.

If you are concerned that your nomination—whether it is at good article candidates, a featured process, or anywhere else—will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on WikiCup/Reviews. If you want to help out with the WikiCup, please do your bit to reduce the review backlogs! Questions are welcome on Wikipedia talk:WikiCup, and the judges are reachable on their talk pages or by email. Good luck! If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. J Milburn (talk • email) and The ed17 (talk • email) 23:00, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

DYK for The Scarecrow (2013 film)
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List of University of Oregon Buildings
Hello, Your list of Reed College buildings seems like a good idea for other colleges. The Campus of the University of Oregon page, for example, contains a section on buildings. It is not an attractive part of the page, however. Could a tabular list of UO buildings replace the current list or do you think it should be a stand-alone list similar to what you created for Reed College buildings? Visitor7 (talk) 02:35, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

The Old Campus buildings are loaded into a practice table in my sandbox. The university colors don't really match up, but I gave them a shot. It should be done in a week or two. Visitor7 (talk) 19:58, 12 October 2013 (UTC)


 * Congrats on the good article barnstar!
 * My changes are completed on the Campus of the University of Oregon page, and the list of buildings is removed to a separate page. Would you review the campus page and make any needed corrections. Thanks, Visitor7 (talk) 07:19, 28 October 2013 (UTC)


 * Wow, I am sorry I have not had much time to assist with the U of O articles, but I am impressed with your work so far! -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 15:26, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the edits. Those pesky galleries seem to creep in like zombies around the Halloween punch bowl. Visitor7 (talk) 20:24, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

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John Jacob Astor Hotel
You might be interested in this expansion: John Jacob Astor Hotel. However, my main reason for posting this message is to ask the following: Did you take any detail photos of this building when you photographed it in 2011? Your photo in the infobox shows the building very well overall, but now that I've expanded this into a real article, one or two detail shots would be welcome. But I'm guessing you didn't take any, since you probably already would have uploaded them if you had. By the way, I had no idea of this building's historic role in the development of cable TV until only about 26 hours ago, when I stumbled across that tidbit while wrapping up (or so I thought) my research on this article. I then had to do a bit more research! It's so nice being able to access both The Oregonian and The Daily Astorian (back to 2002 only) from the comfort of my own computer, for free, courtesy of my Multnomah County Library card. I've tried to publicize that resource here, but I still suspect that very few WikiProject Oregon contributors are aware of it. (Of course, those who live outside the Portland–Vancouver metropolitan area can't obtain a Mult Co Library card.) It could be that most people just don't want to spend time doing that kind of research. SJ Morg (talk) 10:55, 10 October 2013 (UTC)
 * P.S. – I hope you'll resist the temptation to "templatize" the citations for which I didn't use templates, or least the 1972 and 1951 articles, because I don't know of any way to include – presented in a very clear way – the contextual info. I included in those two. I believe that info. is helpful and worth giving, especially for sources not available online (except to library cardholders). For reasons I've given previously, I have no interest in developing this into a GA. SJ Morg (talk) 11:07, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

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Your GA nomination of Hart Lake (Oregon)
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Body Parts (American Horror Story) listed at Redirects for discussion
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Nomination of Manicure (song) for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Manicure (song) is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

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Your GA nomination of The Quest (Portland, Oregon)
Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article The Quest (Portland, Oregon) you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of ColonelHenry -- 16:34, 18 October 2013 (UTC)

Bitar Mansion / Harry Green House
Per your request, I've added the NRHP infobox with a reference to the Bitar Mansion article. &mdash; Ipoellet (talk) 23:20, 18 October 2013 (UTC)
 * BTW, either the NPS or SHPO or both can be expected to post the full NRHP nomination form on the web within a week or so. &mdash; Ipoellet (talk) 23:21, 18 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your assistance. -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 02:42, 19 October 2013 (UTC)

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Nomination of Do What U Want for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Do What U Want is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

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Your GA nomination of Hart Lake (Oregon)
The article Hart Lake (Oregon) you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Hart Lake (Oregon) for comments about the article. Well done! Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of ColonelHenry -- 15:32, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

RE: The Quest
I didn't receive the notification for a reason. The image has to be uploaded with two licenses. One for the picture itself (which was released for free) and one with a copyright notice, similarly to File:125th Anniversary of Confederation Medal.jpg or File:Michael Jordan Statue.jpg. For the second image File:Standard Insurance Center, Portland (2013).jpg, there is no copyright violation as de minimis applies. © <font color="#4B0082">Tb <font color="#6082B6">hotch <font color="#555555"> ™ (en-2.5). 22:25, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

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Your GA nomination of The Quest (Portland, Oregon)
The article The Quest (Portland, Oregon) you nominated as a good article has been placed on hold. The article is close to meeting the good article criteria, but there are some minor changes or clarifications needed to be addressed. If these are fixed within 7 days, the article will pass, otherwise it will fail. See Talk:The Quest (Portland, Oregon) for things which need to be addressed. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of ColonelHenry -- 18:52, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

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A barnstar for you!

 * I've learned quite a bit about Oregon landmarks thanks to you. -- Khazar2 (talk) 02:54, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank you so much. -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 03:14, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Are we likely to see the article at FAC? --Sp33dyphil ©hat<sub style='position: relative; left: -1.5em;'>ontributions 06:34, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
 * I had not considered FAC before. If you see any Good articles I've written that are possibly FA-worthy, please let me know. Thanks! -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 06:42, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Not the best of judges, I'm afraid. ATM I'm working to get AV-8B to FAC. I would've thought you had more idea of FA than I do. The Quest (Portland, Oregon) seems quite short, so I think it's worth having a shot. --Sp33dyphil ©hat<sub style='position: relative; left: -1.5em;'>ontributions 06:46, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
 * You inspired me to nominate Weather Machine. I will dig through my portfolio to see if there might be other candidates as well. Thanks! -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 19:48, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of The Quest (Portland, Oregon)
The article The Quest (Portland, Oregon) you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:The Quest (Portland, Oregon) for comments about the article. Well done! Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of ColonelHenry -- 02:52, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank you. -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 03:15, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Congrats! Be sure to add future Oregon GAs to the portal list. <font style="font-family:Rockwell">Jsayre64 <font style="font-family:Rockwell">(talk)  03:41, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

The Quest images
Hi, I uploaded a fair use version of one of the Commons images and put it in the article, and deleted the disputed Commons images because they violated U.S. copyright. Best regards. Hekerui (talk) 11:21, 31 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your work. It seems the Commons discussion is leaning towards keeping the images, but I will leave the discussion to others. If the images stay, great, and if they are deleted, fine. -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 17:17, 31 October 2013 (UTC)
 * I saw this sit there so I finally took action and suddenly the sculpture experts come out of the woodwork, how curious. Hekerui (talk) 21:43, 31 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Commons is a funny place, and attempting to decipher whether or not I can upload images of art is the worst! I am never offended when my images are deleted, and I appreciate users like you who assist with the verification process. Thanks again. -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 22:07, 31 October 2013 (UTC)
 * No matter how much you think you know copyright, if you get complacent it comes back to bite you. I have had no experience with U.S. sculptures and it showed. And thanks for the Ping. Neat. Hekerui (talk) 13:27, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

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WikiCup 2013 October newsletter
The WikiCup is over for another year! Our champion, for the second year running, is. Our final nine were as follows:

All those who reached the final win prizes, and prizes will also be going to the following participants:


 * wins the FA prize, for four featured articles in round 4, worth 400 points.
 * wins the GA prize, for 20 good articles in round 3, worth 600 points.
 * wins the FL prize, for four featured lists in round 2, worth 180 points.
 * wins the FP prize, for 23 featured pictures in round 5, worth 805 point.
 * wins the FPo prize, for 2 featured portals in round 3, worth 70 points.
 * wins the topic prize, for a 23-article featured topic in round 5, worth 230 points.
 * wins the DYK prize, for 79 did you know articles in round 5, worth 570 points.
 * wins the ITN prize, for 23 in the news articles in round 4, worth 270 points.
 * wins the GAR prize, for 24 good article reviews in round 1, worth 96 points.
 * The judges are awarding the Oddball Barnstar to, for some curious contributions in earlier rounds.
 * Finally, the judges are awarding the Geography Barnstar for her work on sea, now a featured article. This top-importance article was the highest-scoring this year; when it was promoted to FA status, Cwmhiraeth could claim 720 points.

Prizes will be handed out in the coming weeks. Please be patient!

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 * Thank you! -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 18:16, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

Nomination of Dope (Lady Gaga song) for deletion
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Benson Bubblers
Can a picture be a reference? This picture clearly shows a Benson Bubbler in front of Benson High.



Also, the water bureau article seems to me to be a bit ambiguous. It says that the bubblers are "mostly" downtown and that there are two "notable" exceptions. That sounds to me like there might be other non-notable exceptions, for example, the article mentions one in front of Benson's home; I'm not sure if that is downtown or not. And it is quite possible that the specific boundaries of 'downtown' could well be drawn to include the one at Benson High. I think the paragraph needs to be re-written to eliminate the claim that there are only two outside of downtown as that is not supported by the reference, much less by reality on the ground. YBG (talk) 03:35, 5 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Here's some interesting info, though probably not a RS: [www.uniquely-portland-oregon.com/benson-bubblers.html Uniquely Portland] article about the creation of [bensonbubblers.com].  And what do you think of including the Benson Bubblers in Fountains in Portland, Oregon?  Seems a natural extension of the list, especially considering the artistic and historic character of the Bubblers.  But then where would you stop?  YBG (talk) 03:50, 5 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for dropping a note. Though an image cannot be used as a reference, I am hoping we can find mention of a bubbler at the school in a reliable source. Would you mind taking a stab at rewriting the paragraph so that it makes more sense? In the meantime, I will try to find a source verifying the existence of a fountain at the school. And yes, the bubblers should be included in the fountains article (I can't believe I did not include it before!), perhaps as a separate section with a brief summary? -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 04:27, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Poetry for Young People


The article Poetry for Young People has been proposed for deletion&#32; because of the following concern:
 * Although I'm for having as many articles about Maya Angelou as possible, I don't think this stub is necessary. The volume it describes is just part of a series called "Poetry for Young People".  The only sources available about the series are to promote it, such as Amazon or the publishing company website.  There is information about the Angelou volume on her webpage (see [diff https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Maya_Angelou&diff=cur&oldid=prev]), and its my intention to create an article about her poetry soon.  Thanks for the consideration.

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 * I trust you would know better than anyone else re: Angelou articles. No problem! -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 21:02, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks AB! I am creating another stub for another poetry collection.  Then I think I can move forward to create the above-mentioned article about MA's poetry.  Cheers! ;) Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 21:08, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
 * The navbox Template:Maya Angelou Literary Works should only contain links to existing articles. So, once deleted, Poetry for Young People should be removed, as should the other entries without articles. I think this was one reason I had initially created stubs (to remove redlinks and keep entries in the navbox). -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 21:13, 6 November 2013 (UTC)
 * On my list! ;) Thanks again. Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 21:30, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

RE: Petersen Rock Garden
The Petersen Rock Garden was just added to the Register. Teemu08 (talk) 20:41, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Oh! Apologies. I should have done some research first. Please ignore my note to you. Thanks! -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 20:43, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

Rimsky-Korsakoffee House
Thanks for writing the article on the Rimsky-Korsakoffee House, interesting place. I was over that way today and uploaded some photos in case you need one. Visitor7 (talk) 05:48, 8 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks so much! I have been meaning to swing by to take some pictures. Much appreciated. Just a few more source to include before I nominate the article for Good status. -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 05:51, 8 November 2013 (UTC)

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 * Thanks for the invitation. If all goes well I will be able to attend on Sunday. I have been wanting to drive up there and take some photos and help with some research on the historic sites. The Slocum House was on my list, and today I added some details to its page. Visitor7 (talk) 00:17, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

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Hi, Thanks for the info about Wikimedia LGBT. I'm interested in supporting it, but I'm having a weird issue where Wikimedia Meta-wiki doesn't recognize my Wikipedia username. Shouldn't it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cleeder (talk • contribs) 23:39, 10 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your interest in the group. I saw that your name was added to the list, then the edit was undone. Wikimedia LGBT lives at Meta-Wiki, a separate project hosted by the Wikimedia Foundation. The system did recognize your name, but your name and talk page were redlinked because those pages do not exist over at Meta-Wiki. You did the right thing! Would you like me to add your name back to the list? Feel free to create a separate profile page over at Meta, or read meta:Meta:About for more information about that wiki. -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 01:05, 11 November 2013 (UTC)
 * OK, I created a Meta-wiki user page. Thanks! Cleeder (talk) 04:23, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

Weather Machine images
Greetings, Another Believer. I thought it best to talk with you about all this on your user page, since it doesn't directly pertain to whether the Weather Machine (sculpture) should be featured.

There are a lot of separate issues involved with whether we can use these images, and how many, and for what purpose. It's a perfect little microcosm of how complicated copyright law has become, and how complicate Wikipedia policy on images has become as well.

First off, there's the de minimis issue. Any photo reproduction of non-free content is non-free... but sometimes, the reproduction only reproduces such a small portion of the original work, or does so in such a distorted way, that judges typically rule that such reproduction doesn't really count. So, for instance, consider a photo of a cityscape that happens to include a billboard, at an angle, when the billboard is not the primary subject of the photo. I would argue that, even though the billboard is copyrighted, the image isn't a derivative work, since the use is di minimis. (Then again, if you were to crop the photo to include billboard, and use photoshop to change the angle, and then use that photo in an article on the billboard's subject, that would no longer be de minimis.) This photo is clearly a de minimis reproduction. But you have to be careful: one Wikipedian's de minimis usage is another Wikipedian's "clear violation", and these edge cases end up on WP:FFD all the time.

I would not think File:Occupy Portland (Downtown PDX).jpg is a de minimis reproduction of the sculpture, especially not when it's used in an article on that sculpture. But others might disagree with me there.

Another thing to consider is our non-free content criteria, especially criteria 3b and 8. The Cloud Bean article uses both File:Cloud Gate (The Bean) from east'.jpg and File:Bean3.jpg, which are both non-free images due to being derivative works. But they illustrate very different facets of the sculpture. If you saw only one of those, you wouldn't get a real feel for the sculpture without seeing the other. So it's possible that both File:PioneerSquareWeatherMachine.jpg and File:Weather Machine - Portland, Oregon (2013) - 02.JPG could be included in the article, even if both images have to be considered non-free, since they show different "tops" of the sculpture. But again, this is a gray area. (Even though File:Weather Machine, Portland, Oregon (2013) - 3.jpeg shows a different angle, I can't imagine including it as a third image would pass NFCC#3b.)

I know it's frustrating to have obscure copyright issues get in the way of your quality contributions. I've been there myself. If I can help prepare images or advise you on whether a given selection would be kosher, I'm willing to try. All the best, – Quadell (talk) 23:39, 13 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the note. I had included the Occupy Portland image in the sculpture's article because I thought it did a good job providing a sense of scale. The photos of just the sculpture are great, but they do not indicate its size. Perhaps it would be better to remove the image from the sculpture article but keep it at Commons as an Occupy Portland image... I don't know. I would not be offended if any of the images were deleted as the result of consensus, but I do wish they would all be discussed at once rather than randomly over time. I have no idea if the sculpture is copyrighted or not. Thanks again for your assistance, and feel free to keep an eye on the Commons discussions as well. Once the issue has been settled, I would appreciated your help incorporating appropriately-licensed images into the article. I hope the article can still be promoted regardless of the image concern. -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 23:45, 13 November 2013 (UTC)
 * I can centralize discussion on Commons regarding all Weather Machine images. But then, even if they are deleted there, the same images may be acceptable here on en.wiki. (En.wiki allows non-free images in some circumstances, but Commons never does.) So I can at least keep all discussion in one place on Commons, and in one place on en.wiki. I'll link you to those discussions when I've set them up. And I also hope the article can be promoted, regardless of what happens with images. – Quadell (talk) 13:15, 14 November 2013 (UTC)
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It was good to meet you and the other Wikipedians. Somehow I forgot my notebooks; will have to remember them at a future event. Visitor7 (talk) 05:29, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks again for coming. I had a great time and look forward to future meetups! -- Another Believer  ( Talk ) 16:37, 19 November 2013 (UTC)


 * These are all good ideas (especially the food carts). Since the Vancouver meetup, I have been trying to create or to improve articles of NRHP sites so we can become a red state; just kidding, not really a RED state. I have been thinking about visiting the state archives and working on a huge list of Donation Land Claims in the Oregon Territory, maybe even a list of homesteads in Oregon. Also, the National Archives has microfilm on interesting things that should be in list form on Wikipedia. That sort of digging should be sponsored by a scholarship from the Wikimedia Foundation. Anyway, on the photography it would be fun, and I will start thinking of topics to offer. Visitor7 (talk) 00:42, 22 November 2013 (UTC)
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Time for an interview on your meetup
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Washington School for the Blind
I added some additional history research to your initial article. Some additional notations also. I will add more later.

You might be interested in some pictures at the Clark County Historical Museum, of the original building for the State School for Defective Youth, which included the blind (later separated and moved into the building you highlighted). One sample is at http://kaga.wsulibs.wsu.edu/cdm4/item_viewer.php?CISOROOT=/cchm_photo&CISOPTR=10387&CISOBOX=1&REC=2, a copyrighted picture though.

Thanks again for the wiki edit-a-thon at the Vancouver Library a few weeks ago. Pglawless (talk) 22:10, 7 December 2013 (UTC)


 * Thanks for expanding the article and for the note. Perhaps I will connect with the Clark County Historical Museum. Hoping to organize another Wikipedia meetup in Vancouver as well! -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 23:37, 7 December 2013 (UTC)

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Blow (Beyoncé Knowles song)
Hi Another Believer.

I think I've done this right: Here's the article's history as of now. It's still a re-direct.

Hopefully this is fine now. Pete aka --Shirt58 (talk) 08:10, 15 December 2013 (UTC)
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Use of talk header
Although it's of little consequence, I'm not sure why you added the talk header template back into Talk:Marc Emery after I removed it, but it wasn't designed as a perma-tag, it was designed to help new editors on highly active, controversial pages. The page has been all but dead since April 2012, with the only contribution since then from a long term contributor (who doesn't need the talk header template) whose only action was to copy a discussion over to the talk page. I will acknowledge that you seem to be using the template in a different way than it was intended, which is acceptable, but a bit confusing. Viriditas (talk) 03:35, 17 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for commenting. When I edited the talk page, I was doing so having not seen your previous edit. I have the article on my watchlist, so I noticed that an edit had been made to the talk page, but I did not review the edit in detail. I simply clicked on the talk page and immediately noticed that it did not have a talk header template, and felt the talk page could use one. It is for one of the reasons you mentioned, controversy, that I justified the need for the talk header template. Emery, to me, is a controversial person, or at least someone who is known for his work in a controversial field. If you feel the template is not necessary, please feel free to remove. Thanks again. -- Another Believer  ( Talk ) 03:58, 17 December 2013 (UTC)
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Streetcar Snapshot
Sorry, but my reaction to this campaign is along the lines of "Oh, great, just what Commons needs: a lot of photos of the streetcar taken in poor lighting and poor weather." January is a really bad time of year for urban photography of subjects that are present year-round (unlike Christmas-related subjects). The weather is much more likely to be poor, and when the sun is out, it is very low in the sky, making the shade-sun mix (hard to avoid in urban settings with lots of tall buildings around) enough to ruin photos. Although I'm an avid transit photographer and take hundreds of transit photos between May and October every year, I typically take almost none between November and February unless they are event-dependent (e.g., I photographed the Portland Vintage Trolley last weekend, because this coming Sunday will be the final day of VT service ever), for those reasons. SJ Morg (talk) 19:48, 20 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your feedback. I am sorry to read your reaction to the project. You were actually who I was thinking about when I was working on the project page, hoping you might be interested in contributing. It appears that is not the case, which of course is fine but slightly disappointing. You raise good points, but I might add that having pictures from all times of the year can be valuable. If you have time to contribute to the project in any way (even suggestions on the project page like unillustrated stations or cars, etc.), that's fantastic, but if not, I understand. Thanks again, and have a great holiday season. -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 20:20, 20 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Also, I should add that even though this project will still occur next month, there is no reason for us to not consider another public transit project later in the year as well. -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 20:21, 20 December 2013 (UTC)

SG

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Main Page appearance: Weather Machine (sculpture)
This is a note to let the main editors of Weather Machine (sculpture) know that the article will be appearing as today's featured article on January 6, 2014. If this article needs any attention or maintenance, it would be preferable if that could be done before its appearance on the Main Page. If you prefer that the article appear as TFA on a different date, or not at all, please ask. You can view the TFA blurb at Today's featured article/January 6, 2014. If it needs tweaking, or if it needs rewording to match improvements to the article between now and its main page appearance, please edit it, following the instructions at Today's featured article/requests/instructions. The blurb as it stands now is below:

Weather Machine is a lumino-kinetic bronze sculpture in the U.S. city of Portland, Oregon that serves as a weather beacon, displaying a daily weather prediction at noon. Designed and constructed at a cost of $60,000 by Omen Design Group Inc., the approximately 30 ft tall sculpture was installed in 1988 in the northwest corner of Pioneer Courthouse Square. Two thousand people attended its dedication, which was broadcast live nationally from the square by Today weatherman Willard Scott. During its daily two-minute sequence, which includes a trumpet fanfare, mist and flashing lights, the machine displays one of three metal symbols as a prediction of the weather for the following 24-hour period: a sun for clear and sunny weather, a blue heron for drizzle and transitional weather, or a dragon and mist for rainy or stormy weather. The sculpture includes two bronze wind scoops and displays the temperature via vertical colored lights along its stem. The air quality index is also displayed by a light system below the stainless steel globe. Considered a tourist attraction, Weather Machine has been called "bizarre", "playful", "unique" and "wacky". UcuchaBot (talk) 23:01, 28 December 2013 (UTC)

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