User talk:Casliber/Archive 67

DYK for Macrocybe gigantea
&mdash; Amakuru (talk) 12:02, 30 May 2021 (UTC)

Invitation for Functionary consultation 2021
Greetings,

I'm letting you know in advance about a meeting I'd like to invite you to regarding the Universal Code of Conduct and the community's ownership of its future enforcement. I'm still in the process of putting together the details, but I wanted to share the date with you: 27 June, 2021. I do not have a time on this date yet, but I will let you soon. We have created a meta page with basic information. Please take a look at the meta page and sign up your name under the appropriate section.

Thank you for your time.--BAnand (WMF) 15:06, 2 June 2021 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * Heh, thx! Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 11:41, 5 June 2021 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Indian roller
The article Indian roller you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Indian roller for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already appeared on the main page as a "Did you know" item, or as a bold link under "In the News" or in the "On This Day" prose section, you can nominate it within the next seven days to appear in DYK. Bolded names with dates listed at the bottom of the "On This Day" column do not affect DYK eligibility. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of MeegsC -- MeegsC (talk) 09:41, 6 June 2021 (UTC)

DYK for Flame-colored tanager
— Maile (talk) 00:02, 7 June 2021 (UTC)

DYK for Rose-throated tanager
— Maile (talk) 00:02, 7 June 2021 (UTC)

DYK for Red-headed tanager
— Maile (talk) 00:03, 7 June 2021 (UTC)

Sir sockpuppet users.
These users are interlinked they make edits and they themselves accepts reviews. Astrolynux https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:AstroLynx&redirect=no

Tgeores https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Tgeorgescu&action=view

Grabergs https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Gråbergs_Gråa_Sång&action=view

VenusFeur https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:VenusFeuerFalle&action=view Elc https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:El_C&action=view JohnsonCherryium9 (talk) 05:10, 10 June 2021 (UTC)

Green rosella scheduled for TFA
This is to let you know that the Green rosella article has been scheduled as today's featured article for July 2, 2021. Please check the article needs no amendments. If you're interested in editing the main page text, you're welcome to do so at Today's featured article/July 2, 2021, but note that a coordinator will trim the lead to around 1000 characters anyway, so you aren't obliged to do so.

For Featured Articles promoted recently, there will be an existing blurb linked from the FAC talk page, which is likely to be transferred to the TFA page by a coordinator at some point.

We suggest that you watchlist Main Page/Errors from the day before this appears on Main Page. Thanks! Jimfbleak - talk to me?  12:49, 11 June 2021 (UTC)


 * and Red-bellied black snake on July 9... Jimfbleak - talk to me?  09:05, 12 June 2021 (UTC)
 * heh double trouble :) Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 10:07, 12 June 2021 (UTC)


 * thank you today for Red-bellied black snake, introduced "about a critter I once saw in my garden....much to my chagrin"! - What was the chagrin? Have some flowers, nicely matching the image representing User:SlimVirgin in colour and (almost) posture, and a good colour for missing. Music is resuming after more than a year, even a real choir rehearsal planned for next week, which is uplifting my spirits, - much needed, too many sick and dying, here and in real life. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:37, 9 July 2021 (UTC)
 * More music: 2 songs, the morning song - about rising from being down, in more than one sense - is a GA, - there should be more given my initials, but I also want to care for articles of those who recently died (now Esther Béjarano), and psalms in memory of Yoninah, - more missing than there. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:36, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
 * + more music, cello sonatas and a new song about a feast - a dear family member remembered today when she would have been 122 --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:13, 22 July 2021 (UTC)

DYK for Pygmy copperhead
— Maile (talk) 12:03, 13 June 2021 (UTC)

DYK for Australotitan
— Maile (talk) 00:03, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

A huge thank you!

 * Heh, thx! but you did the heavy lifting! Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 23:30, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

Rollback rights?
With exaggerated obsequiousness, I ask of thee, stranger: would you consider granting me rollback rights? Here is my edit count: And I'm enrolled in countervandalism academy Cheerful Squirrel (talk) 23:58, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

Football match FAC
Hi there, hope you and yours are well! I notice that you have reviewed a few recent football FACs, and wondered if you might have time to swing by my current one? I'd very much value your input if you have time, but no worries if not. All the best! -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 08:05, 26 June 2021 (UTC)
 * 'appy to take a butcher's at it. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 09:10, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

GAN Backlog Drive - July 2021
MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 22:31, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

WikiCup 2021 July newsletter
The third round of the 2021 WikiCup has now come to an end. Each of the sixteen contestants who made it into the fourth round had at least 294 points, and our top six scorers all had over 600 points. They were:


 * 🇧🇼 The Rambling Man, with 1825 points from 3 featured articles, 44 featured article reviews, 14 good articles, 30 good article reviews and 10 DYKs. In addition, he completed a 34-article good topic on the EFL Championship play-offs.
 * Epicgenius, a New York specialist, with 1083 points from 2 featured article reviews, 18 good articles, 30 DYKs and plenty of bonus points.
 * Bloom6132, with 869 points from 11 DYKs, all with bonus points, and 54 "In the news" items, mostly covering people who had recently died.
 * Standard of Oliver Cromwell (1653–1659).svg Gog the Mild, with 817 points from 3 featured articles on historic battles in Europe, 5 featured article reviews and 3 good articles.
 * Bennington Flag.svg Hog Farm, with 659 points from 2 featured articles and 2 good articles on American Civil War battles, 18 featured article reviews, 2 good articles, 6 good article reviews and 4 DYKs.
 * ICS Zulu.svg BennyOnTheLoose, a snooker specialist and new to the Cup, with 647 points from a featured article, 2 featured article reviews, 6 good articles, 6 good article reviews and 3 DYKs.

In round three, contestants achieved 19 featured articles, 7 featured lists, 106 featured article reviews, 72 good articles, 1 good topic, 62 good article reviews, 165 DYKs and 96 ITN items. We enter the fourth round with scores reset to zero; any content promoted after the end of round 3 but before the start of round 4 can be claimed in round 4. Please also remember that you must claim your points within 14 days of "earning" them (one contestant in round 3 lost out because of this). When doing GARs, please make sure that you check that all the GA criteria are fully met.

If you are concerned that your nomination—whether it is at good article nominations, a featured process, or anything else—will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on WikiCup/Reviews Needed (remember to remove your listing when no longer required). Questions are welcome on Wikipedia talk:WikiCup, and the judges are reachable on their talk pages or by email. If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. Judges: Sturmvogel 66 (talk) and Cwmhiraeth Cwmhiraeth (talk) MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 09:29, 2 July 2021 (UTC)

Flower improvements
Hi Casliber, I've been improving Flower for WP:TCC and have just finished a section on the flower's importance to plant taxonomy. Is this the kind of thing you had in mind when you commented on the original submission? I've also added a section on the etymology, fertilization, fruit and seed development, and seed dispersal, as well as rewrote pollination. I was going to ask you later because I still have to rewrite the morphology, symbolism and in culture sections, but are there any other sections you think are needed? Any help welcome :) Thanks,  Draco phyllum  09:49, 4 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Will have a look Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 11:18, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

DYK for Lutjanus fulvus
— Maile (talk) 12:03, 8 July 2021 (UTC)

DYK for Red-billed pied tanager
— Maile (talk) 00:02, 10 July 2021 (UTC)

TCC question
Hi Cas. I noticed you've started filling out the TCC table of improvements. Just checking: will you be updating it again after the contest ends next week? I'm currently working on Manufacturing in an offline draft and so I haven't pushed any edits to the live article yet. DanCherek (talk) 00:56, 10 July 2021 (UTC)
 * I am an idiot. My brain was thinking 4 weeks. Keep going. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 01:01, 10 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Phew! Thanks :) DanCherek (talk) 01:03, 10 July 2021 (UTC)
 * No, thank you..had you not posted I would have spent the next wee while on this....Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 01:05, 10 July 2021 (UTC)

Bare URL link rot on article
Hi CasLiber, hope you are well. Could you explain to me what needs to be done about the tag for Bare URL link rots on the page Partick Thistle? I ask you as you were the good article reviewer for the page when you helped me a few years ago and I wondered if you can help me now. Do I need to use web archive for the links to websites? Andrew Hendo (talk) 21:00, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Yeah the web archive is what we all should be doing but i concede I am lazy in that regard myself....Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 20:03, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Oh well, looks like I’ve got some work to do! I can’t say I’m the most experienced editor but I’m hopeful to keep the GA status! Andrew Hendo (talk) 21:21, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Yeah formatting references....join the club. doing it now....sigh... Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 20:30, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
 * incidentally if the 1971 Scottish League Cup Final article could increase its text 5-fold in 7 days it could be on teh DYK section of the main page...just sayin' Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 20:38, 11 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Oh that would be great! To get my local team on the main page would be wonderful. My week will consist of Thistle’s refs, 1971 and Davie Cooper to GA. As the saying goes “I’ll start on Monday”! Andrew Hendo (talk) 21:50, 11 July 2021 (UTC)

FAC Suggestion
Hello, I noticed that you had made edit suggestions to several FAC's in the past. As it stands I am trying to get an article I have heavily contributed to, El Camino: A Breaking Bad Movie, promoted to a featured article. If you had the time, would it be possible if you could provide some edit suggestions for mine? I had nominated it once before but it did not go through because I was not able to get enough reviews, and I would like to see it promoted this time. — Flowerkiller1692 (talk) 22:33, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
 * I'll take a look Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 11:01, 17 July 2021 (UTC)

Wikipedia Wars and the Israel-Palestine conflict...please fill out my survey?
Hello :) I am writing my MA dissertation on Wikipedia Wars and the Israel-Palestine conflict, and I noticed that you have contributed to those pages. My dissertation will look at the process of collaborative knowledge production on the Israel-Palestine conflict, and the effect it has on bias in the articles. This will involve understanding the profiles and motivations of editors, contention/controversy and dispute resolution in the talk pages, and bias in the final article. For more information, you can check out my meta-wiki research page or my user page, where I will be posting my findings when I am done. I would greatly appreciate if you could take 5 minutes to fill out this quick survey before 8 August 2021.

Participation in this survey is entirely voluntary and anonymous. There are no foreseeable risks nor benefits to you associated with this project. Thanks so much,

Sarah Sanbar

Sarabnas I'm researching Wikipedia Questions? 17:23, 21 July 2021 (UTC)

1873–74 Scottish Cup
Hello, hope you are well.

I hadn't heard/noticed anything more about the Good Article review this past week so I just wanted to make sure things were still going okay. I think I have made the improvements requested at Talk:1873–74 Scottish Cup/GA1, I couldn't find anything more about why certain teams did/didn't compete so I don't think I can expand that any further. If you've any more thoughts about the article, I'd love to hear them.

And thanks for taking the time to review it. Stevie fae Scotland (talk) 15:50, 26 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Sorry - been adulting (i.e. doing tax) - will get back on it Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 23:50, 26 July 2021 (UTC)
 * No worries, I know the feeling. Thanks though, it's much appreciated. Stevie fae Scotland (talk) 13:43, 27 July 2021 (UTC)

Could you please take a look
Please check Talk:Canis_Major, thanks.--Jarodalien (talk) 13:52, 29 July 2021 (UTC)

DYK for Great blue turaco
— Maile (talk) 00:02, 1 August 2021 (UTC)

pls
pls dont forget oz biota when creating new stubs - regardless of how distracted by more important things - it always helps, ta. That said trust all is well. JarrahTree 06:13, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
 * okay Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 06:14, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
 * ta despite setbacks of time, reality (aka the late douglas adams hitch hiker scripts and the problems of reality)  and real life the oz biota thingo lives JarrahTree 06:17, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for participating in my recent RFA
I appreciate your support and trust in my recent run for admin. I've had an interesting first few weeks and am learning a lot by being able to better watch (through tools) what admins do. Please call on me if you see making an error, or if you just need help. Thanks again. BusterD (talk) 18:02, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

Indian roller
This is to let you know that the above article has been scheduled as today's featured article for September 2, 2021. Please check the article needs no amendments. If you're interested in editing the main page text, you're welcome to do so at Today's featured article/September 2, 2021. Congratulations on your work!—Wehwalt (talk) 21:24, 8 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Thank you today for your share in the article, - great collaboration! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:09, 2 September 2021 (UTC)
 * And also Banksia sceptrum on September 21.--Wehwalt (talk) 01:45, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

Interesting
Hi Cas, hope you're well. Are you aware of these findings from a trial on the Portuguese WP? Long story short: Workload for admins is down more than 70%, account registrations are up, and editor retention and content contributions have been solid for the last three quarters since they turned off IP editing last October.



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Tony (talk)  09:19, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
 * wow Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 09:25, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

Sorghum intrans
Your stub Sorghum intrans says "Sorghum timorense, commonly known as Darwin canegrass ..." and has S. intrans in the infobox. Abductive (reasoning) 05:20, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
 * whoops, fixed now Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 06:02, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Jameson's mamba
Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Jameson's mamba you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Dracophyllum -- Dracophyllum (talk) 08:20, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Jameson's mamba
The article Jameson's mamba you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Jameson's mamba for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already appeared on the main page as a "Did you know" item, or as a bold link under "In the News" or in the "On This Day" prose section, you can nominate it within the next seven days to appear in DYK. Bolded names with dates listed at the bottom of the "On This Day" column do not affect DYK eligibility. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Dracophyllum -- Dracophyllum (talk) 00:21, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

Help!
Cas, would you mind using your special powers to undo a move I made in error yesterday pls - Kells crozier should go back back to Kells Crozier. Reason: "Proper name" and I am thick stupid. Sound as always and here is some nice Krautrock in return. Ceoil (talk) 07:55, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Done - nice thingy that and nice tune too...Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 08:03, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
 * You are the man, thanks!!!! Ceoil (talk) 08:04, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Sigh....all these things that I've done Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 08:14, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Incredibly, as it should have been disastrous, that really, really works. I'm obsessed with for the last 6 months; start at c. 54 mins in. Ceoil (talk) 08:31, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
 * The bass line of the pink noise remix reminds me of this. Yes - sounds good that one. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 08:34, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Wow, thats a great spot,. Yeah, the bass there is unusually groovy for JD, but then again is there no end to what Hooky can do. Ceoil (talk) 08:42, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Was always one of the better Warsaw songs, but, after 30 years!!!, listening to it anew now in that context. Ceoil (talk) 08:45, 21 August 2021 (UTC)

Turtle peer review
Would you be able to do a source spot check for the turtle peer review? Thank you. LittleJerry (talk) 16:55, 24 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I have not seen what happened - aha now I see Featured_article_candidates/Turtle/archive1. I have a few things on my plate but should have more time after saturday. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 21:11, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Hogfarm did a shotcheck but they stopped after "Systematics and evolution" perhaps you look at the rest? Just trying to be safe. Two reviewers is certainly better. LittleJerry (talk) 14:48, 5 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Maybe - a few things on my plate. Will see what I can do Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 23:34, 5 September 2021 (UTC)

FAC mentorship
Hello:

My work on the article osteogenesis imperfecta is drawing to a close. All that remains to be done to meet the issues brought up in its last review is to add a section on genetic screening for the condition. WP:FAC states that editors should seek a mentor before they seek promotion to FA. I was thinking of just aiming for another GA, but perhaps I need a challenge. Seeing as you're a physician, would you be interested in helping see this article become an FA? FYI, I have the condition, and donated my own X-rays to the article. Psiĥedelisto (talk • contribs) please always ping! 15:15, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi I have a few things going on but it is good to see more medical articles improved (this is a bit far removed from my specialty however.). GA has functioned like a Peer Review and good springboard for FAC. I strongly recommend it. I am a bit busy right now but should have more time after saturday. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 21:15, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Hey, thanks for your reply. So, you are saying, that GA is a good first step for FA. I thought that as this article already received a peer review in 2006, leading to the creation of Talk:Osteogenesis imperfecta/to do, which I've used to guide my work, another peer review isn't necessary. However, the text of the page is also now significantly different than it was in 2006 (in which year I was age 12), although it wasn't too far removed when I began editing it earlier this month. I suppose that this is worthwhile advice, and if you feel that I should first try to get it GA certified, before seeking FA, despite the 2006 peer review, I am happy to do so, and then re-assess whether you wish to offer mentorship if it is GA certified. As far as GA standards go, it's basically already there except for a few problematically formatted citations which I'm going to fix. I thought that maybe jumping right to FA was appropriate in this case, but if you feel it's not, won't. Psiĥedelisto (talk • contribs) please always ping! 23:48, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Ok - I say this as medical articles are often harder to get through FAC. I haven't read the article yet so will muse on things until I read it. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 01:35, 27 August 2021 (UTC)

WikiCup 2021 September newsletter
The fourth round of the competition has finished with over 500 points being required to qualify for the final round. It was a hotly competitive round with two contestants, 🇧🇼 The Rambling Man and Epicgenius, each scoring over 3000 points, and six contestants scoring over 1000. All but one of the finalists achieved one or more FAs during the round, the exception being Bloom6132 who demonstrated that 61 "in the news" items produces an impressive number of points. Other contestants who made it to the final are Gog the Mild, 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 Lee Vilenski,  BennyOnTheLoose, 🇷🇼 Amakuru and  Hog Farm. However, all their points are now swept away and everyone starts afresh in the final round.

Round 4 saw the achievement of 18 featured articles and 157 good articles. Bilorv scored for a 25-article good topic on Black Mirror but narrowly missed out on qualifying for the final round. There was enthusiasm for FARs, with 89 being performed, and there were 63 GARs and around 100 DYKs during the round. As we start round 5, we say goodbye to the eight competitors who didn't quite make it to the final round; thank you for the useful contributions you have made to the Cup and Wikipedia, and we hope you will join us again next year. For other contestants, remember that any content promoted after the end of round 4 but before the start of round 5 can be claimed in round 5. Remember too that you must claim your points within 14 days of "earning" them.

If you are concerned that your nomination, whether it be for a good article, a featured process, or anything else, will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on WikiCup/Reviews Needed (remember to remove your listing when no longer required). If you want to help out with the WikiCup, please do your bit to help keep down the review backlogs! Questions are welcome on Wikipedia talk:WikiCup, and the judges are reachable on their talk pages or by email. If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove your name from WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. Sturmvogel 66 and Cwmhiraeth. MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 13:01, 2 September 2021 (UTC)

Help with a tennis FAC?
Hi Casliber, I was planning to re-nominate Suzanne Lenglen at FAC some time this month. I was wondering if you would be interested in reviewing, and if you think you would have time to review it in the next few weeks or so. I'm trying to find a time to nominate when I know in advance a few editors would be available to review it. Thank you! Sportsfan77777 (talk) 08:04, 5 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm worried that it still ahs 54kb readable prose. Let me look over it first, so to try and maximise the chances of a smooth FAC. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 08:59, 5 September 2021 (UTC)


 * I have removed some fluff. Is now 53kb. I advise someone else run through it as I think there will be other fluffy bits and I am not good at picking up on second read-through. It needs one more read before going to FAC. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 10:47, 5 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Thanks! Did you think some or all of it seemed too drawn out or did you just want to shorten it in general for the sake of the FAC? Sportsfan77777 (talk) 18:45, 5 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I think just another read-through to maybe trim some more fluffy sentences and make it a bit more succinct. Mainly as I don't have a great idea for detail and might miss some. I think once it gets a once-through by someone else, then nominate at FAC and ping everyone who has commented before. Alternately maybe ping and  for a look as both had concerns along the same lines. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 23:29, 5 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Having not looked at it since April, I did another read-through and cut 2kb more. I would be surprised if the editors from the second nomination wanted to comment again after none of them said anything on the last nomination. Sportsfan77777 (talk) 07:22, 8 September 2021 (UTC)
 * , I put it up at FAC! Sportsfan77777 (talk) 18:33, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

Characteristics of Proteales
Maybe the hardest thing about getting the etymology lists (see my user page) through FLC was that, when a reviewer asked for something different from what was in the previous lists, I usually didn't know if it was something previous reviewers had opinions on or not, so I didn't know if I should go back and ask them. So, I'm thinking of starting my new list series (it focuses on characteristics common within particular plant orders) by looking at Proteales, Poales, etc. ... these are more likely to attract comments right away from plants people. But I wouldn't want to tackle Proteales at a time when you're busy, because I know you'll be likely to have comments ... is this a good time to work on that list? - Dank (push to talk) 17:11, 8 September 2021 (UTC)
 * For comments any time is fine - for a concerted focus on something, hard to predict at the moment. Happy to look whenever. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 20:53, 8 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks, but yikes ... Families and Genera of Vascular Plants for Proteales (Book 9) is over $250. I might be able to get it cheaper, or might be able to do without FGVP, but I think I'll start with one of the volumes I already have, and see how it goes. Amazon says there's a $25 paperback edition that isn't available at the moment ... I might wait for that. - Dank (push to talk) 21:56, 9 September 2021 (UTC)

Eastern brown snake scheduled for TFA
This is to let you know that the Eastern brown snake article has been scheduled as today's featured article for October 9, 2021. Please check the article needs no amendments. If you're interested in editing the main page text, you're welcome to do so at Today's featured article/October 9, 2021, but note that a coordinator will trim the lead to around 1000 characters anyway, so you aren't obliged to do so.

For Featured Articles promoted recently, there will be an existing blurb linked from the FAC talk page, which is likely to be transferred to the TFA page by a coordinator at some point.

We suggest that you watchlist Main Page/Errors from the day before this appears on Main Page. Thanks! Jimfbleak - talk to me?  14:58, 9 September 2021 (UTC)

advice for unblock request sought
Hi! I appealed an unblock request more than a month ago. The consensus seemed to be that I was making edits without reaching an understanding with other users; however, in addition to 2 of my edits being accepted (Goldsmith and Sussman) and having peaceful discussions with others I disagreed with previously, I have tried to communicate proposals for other articles like Singha and Corey Stewart, but am being ignored. Perhaps it's time for an unblock? Thank you for your consideration. Sucker for All (talk) 13:36, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I'll look later - late here on Oz east coast and I need to sleep Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 13:47, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Alright. Have you had a chance to look into my case yet? Thank you for your considerations Sucker for All (talk) 13:45, 27 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I'll look on your talk page Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 09:45, 4 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Ok. Have you reached any conclusions? I believe my case for being unblocked, after being so patient and not sockpuppeting a different account, is open shut .. Sucker for All (talk) 18:09, 16 October 2021 (UTC) :::::Show me an editing situation where you believe you were right and treated unfairly. Let's start from there. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 22:11, 16 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:WABC_(AM), I was having discussions at the talk page, blueboyliny was not, and yet he's still editing the article https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=WABC_(AM)&action=history . This user was even blocked https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:BlueboyLINY&diff=1034122151&oldid=1034121043 for his editing this article previously and accusing me https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Sucker_for_All&diff=1033612911&oldid=1033612547 of doing the things he was in fact doing.. (I was also falsely accused of being a sockpuppet by JesseRafe). I don't want to point out others, but I was clearly engaged in discussions to improve the article whereas he was not. Sucker for All (talk) 17:11, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Yeah I think you were a little hard done by on that page a little, though refacting someone else's message is a big social no-no. Got another? Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 20:32, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
 * What does "refacting someone else's message" mean? Who did I do this to? I tagged you in an article's talk page with a user with whom I'm trying to engage. I also created an Ashley Strohmier page, similar to the Todd Piro one I created a while ago Sucker for All (talk) 18:43, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
 * I think is referring to this edit of yours, which would have been better if you'd indented your replies more but whatever. However, this is a standard method of replying to points at (for instance FAC, viz Featured article candidates/Viatkogorgon/archive1) Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 20:03, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
 * I think is referring to this edit of yours, which would have been better if you'd indented your replies more but whatever. However, this is a standard method of replying to points at (for instance FAC, viz Featured article candidates/Viatkogorgon/archive1) Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 20:03, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

Disambiguation link notification for September 21
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TFA
Thank you today for Banksia sceptrum, introduced as "about yet another banksia (I try to spread these out!), and would be the 30th article to be nominated to the FAC process"! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:39, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

Today: a woman in red, two who died under "in memoriam" and LouisAlain missed - my first editnotice read: "Every editor is a human being" which is quoted from a comment by Geometry guy in a 2012 discussion on WP:AN. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:11, 27 September 2021 (UTC)

I'm at a loss
It might be simpler to list my issues with the Pierson, Iowa GA review this way. SL93 (talk) 04:18, 24 September 2021 (UTC)
 * "Quite a few missing sections: transportation or general infrastructure, local government, culture/events, notable people, healthcare. While some of these are covered, they need to be given separate sections or subsections." - It cannot have a transportation section or a healthcare section.
 * " Some sections are a bit too promotional to be truly neutral." Only two sentences were pointed out as sounding promotional.
 * "The last sentence is a bit promotional" - The last sentence of the lead only summarizes what the article already has.
 * "The snowmobile accident and its memorial are not notable" - That shouldn't matter. Not everything in the article needs to meet the GNG. The golf course and other memorials certainly aren't notable by themselves, but the reviewer made no mention of those.
 * "Geography" - It is the same as the Kingsley, Iowa article which is you approved as a GA.
 * "Organization listings should have descriptions and better sources" What better sources?
 * "contains an area that has plants and flowers that are native to the area": how is this notable?" - Same issue as the snowmobile accident and its memorial.
 * ""summer of 2017" should be replaced with the month per MOS:SEASON" - It wasn't just one month.
 * "Ref 3 seems to be an advertisement and is missing the page number" - It isn't an advertisement.
 * "Ref 4 needs a publisher" - The book mentions no publishers and it is a full view on Google Books.
 * "Ref 8 needs a publisher" - Why does an official city website need a publisher?
 * "Ref 18 should not use all caps and should use cite map" - Why should it use cite map? SL93 (talk) 04:18, 24 September 2021 (UTC)


 * I thought the last sentence of the lead was nebulous and needed to be more precise. I'd keep the accident and memorial in it (as it's a small town). Geography is thin section, anything that is possible to add (such as surrounds) would be good. I will look at the refs a bit later - hard where I am right now. I'll have a think about the sectioning. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 04:55, 24 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I responded to all of the issues, but I disgree with or don't understand much of what was brought up by the reviewer. As for geography, the only extra thing that I can think of is that Pierson is surrounded by countryside. SL93 (talk) 23:53, 24 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Can you source that. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:35, 25 September 2021 (UTC)
 * No, but I'm not sure if it needs to be added. Every town in Iowa is surrounded by countryside. I did just find "The City of Pierson is located in the north-eastern part of Woodbury County, in the Northwest part of Iowa." from the official website. SL93 (talk) 00:43, 25 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Hmmm, I know what you mean. Many years ago I spent 4th July long weekend in Twin Lakes Iowa - got off Amtrak train and had some private guy drive me the (considerable) distance between train and there. Am busy right now (is 11am here in Oz and need to get off desktop). Will look tonight Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:51, 25 September 2021 (UTC)
 * The Kingsley, Iowa library has allowed me to check out their 2008 reference book on Pierson, Iowa, but only until Monday morning. I will add information from it. SL93 (talk) 17:36, 25 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I have expanded the article and made some changes. I also renominated it for GA. SL93 (talk) 18:41, 25 September 2021 (UTC)

I think I fixed the issues so far. SL93 (talk) 15:44, 27 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the review. The bot updated the nomination as failed for some reason. SL93 (talk) 13:14, 28 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Another editor took care of it. SL93 (talk) 22:11, 28 September 2021 (UTC)

Promotion of Jameson's mamba

 * Nice job cas!  Draco phyllum  > FAC 08:40, 28 September 2021 (UTC)

Symphyotrichum lateriflorum FAC
Hi, Casliber, I nominated Symphyotrichum lateriflorum for FA and wondered if you could take a look or if not, ping someone who can. Thanks in advance! Review comments page Eewilson (talk) 04:16, 28 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Ok Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 05:05, 28 September 2021 (UTC)
 * I didn't mean Featured Article Review. I meant I nominated it as a Featured Article Candidate! Eewilson (talk) 13:40, 30 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Crap, I knew there was something else on my todo list....Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 21:55, 30 September 2021 (UTC)

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British Empire FAR
Hi Casliber,

Discussion is still continuing on this FAR. I think it is going in circles at this late stage. I think you suggested you'd close the discussion around September 30th? Thank for your help, I know that unfortunately there is a lot of discussion to get through.--Quality posts here (talk) 16:42, 4 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Headdesk....headdesk...headdesk....(long pause)..........(drinks another cup of coffee)......(in best Basil Fawlty voice) Right then.....Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 20:05, 4 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your swift action here. I know it's a huge read, unfortunately.--Quality posts here (talk) 19:20, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

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TFA
Thank you today for Eastern brown snake, "about a badass snake that is considered the world's second most venomous snake...except that it isn't...except that it sort of is. The ranking was based on a highly potent neurotoxin isolated from the venom...except that in people it has almost no neurotoxic effects...however, it is responsible for most deaths from snakebite in Australia due to the severe damage it does to the human circulatory system."! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:05, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

Today: memories in friendship --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:34, 28 October 2021 (UTC)

RfA 2021 review update
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WikiProject Psychology
Hi there, Cas Liber. I'm part of a group of psychologists, psychoanalysts, psychiatrists, and neuroscientists who are interested in re-activating Wikiproject Psychology and improving the psychology pages, particularly those pertaining to psychodynamic psychology, which does not always get balanced treatment on Wikipedia. We are interested in a multi-disciplinary, integrative approach to psychology, not in trying to whitewash controversies or engage in hagiography of Freud, but we would like to see a clearer, more accurate representation of his important contributions, including pioneering insight-oriented psychotherapy and describing defense mechanisms like denial (which has become a real problem in the domain of public health, interfering with vaccination, etc., and should be talked about openly on Wikipedia!). We would also be able to contribute to creating a fairer, more nuanced, but also clear-eyed account of the field's long history of methodological failings and its marginalized status, which are more complex than the misleading and activist accusation of "pseudoscience." Perhaps you could help us navigate some of the anti-Freudian activism on pages like "Freud" and "Psychoanalysis," where gross violations like sockpuppetry have been an issue. For example, this user Polisher of Cobwebs, who also edits under the name Freeknowledgecreator and possibly Skoojal, has written a great deal of the Freud page, engaged in edit wars to defend his/her idea that only a negative account of Freud is accurate, and he/she appears to still be active there. Doc James let me know about the extraordinary work you've done for Wikipedia and WikiProject Medicine and we would love to have your help with WikiProject Psychology. Would you like to join us or explore the possibility of working together? Hypoplectrus (talk) 01:59, 17 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi - yes - receptive to being involved. See Sockpuppet_investigations/Skoojal/Archive - Polisher of Cobwebs has been blocked for several years and has tried to illegally return to editing. Will have a look later. Alot on my plate ATM but as I write am thinking I am keen to be involved Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 05:15, 17 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Delighted to hear this. What is the best way to stay in communication with you? Hypoplectrus (talk) 20:11, 17 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Open to all/any Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 20:20, 17 October 2021 (UTC)
 * I reached out via LinkedIn and followed you on Twitter. Looking forward to touching base a bit more if / when you can. I know you are busy and promise to be respectful of your time! Hypoplectrus (talk) 19:30, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Heh cool/wow linkedin actually serves a purpose in my life, who'd a thunk it :) Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 20:07, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

DYK for Yellowtail flounder
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DYK for National Centre for Immunisation Research and Surveillance
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Seabird
Hi, I have really appreciated your great work on the Kererū article. This has led me to ask whether you have interest and capacity to help improve the Seabird article that was recently delisted from FA status. I am not a topic expert, but New Zealand is sometimes said to be the "seabird capital of the world", and as a New Zealander, I have an interest in seabirds. I am currently working to improve Hutton's shearwater, as one example,and other articles associated with Kaikōura - a "hot spot" for seabirds in New Zealand. Are you able to help me out with work to improve Seabird. The initial aim would be to get it to a state where it could be nominated for GA. ?? Marshelec (talk) 05:42, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Okay, here's a sticking point...could you find a reliable source with a definition for what a seabird is, and what is and isn't a seabird.....this stonkered me while trying to save the article...Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 17:28, 31 October 2021 (UTC)


 * The most robust and authoritative definition I have found so far is from Bird Conservation International (2012) - see page 2 of the linked paper. I have added the bolding in the quote below.
 * "We follow the taxonomy of BirdLife International (2010a) and define seabirds as species for which a large proportion of the total population rely on the marine environment for at least part of the year. With this circumscription, 346 species qualify, of which 282 meet a stricter definition (excluding ducks, loons, etc.) used in some earlier reviews (e.g. Croxall et al. 1984). We subdivided seabirds into three groups. Pelagic seabirds are those that primarily use marine pelagic deep water (sea above open ocean, typically >200 m in depth) and/or marine neritic pelagic continental shelf water (sea above continental shelf or around near-shore oceanic islands, typically <200 m in depth) excluding species that may occasionally use these habitats, but that are more typical of coastal inshore waters. Coastal seabirds (year-round) are those that primarily use coastal inshore water (sea along coasts, typically <8 km from the shoreline) throughout the year, excluding species that may occasionally use this habitat, but do not do so typically. Coastal seabirds (nonbreeding season) are those that primarily use coastal inshore water during the non-breeding season, excluding species that may occasionally use this habitat but do not do so typically."
 * A simpler and shorter definition is: A seabird can be defined as a bird that makes its living primarily from the ocean, beyond the intertidal or surf zone.
 * Perhaps the most useful definition I found was from the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, US Dept of Commerce, quoted here:
 * "Generally speaking, seabirds are birds that are adapted for life in a marine environment. While these adaptations can be exhibited in a variety of different ways, they’re often attributed to their behavior and physiology. There are many different groups of birds that use saltwater habitats but aren’t considered true seabirds. They include loons, grebes, sea ducks, herons, and shorebirds (except for two phalarope species that spend their winters in the open ocean). The groups that are usually considered true seabirds are “tubenoses”: shearwaters, petrels, storm-petrels, and albatrosses. The name “tubenose” refers to the tubular structures on the bills of these birds that cover the nostrils. These birds have well-developed glands near these bill tubes that allow them to consume seawater and then excrete salt from the solution. That means these birds will not need to drink or even see freshwater for their entire lives. Penguins, skuas, gulls, terns, alcids, boobies, tropicbirds, frigatebirds, and skimmers are also considered seabirds. However, not all species under those groups depend on the ocean for their entire life cycle."


 * Which of these do you prefer ? Marshelec (talk) 20:56, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

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William Hague
Hi Casliber. Would you mind unprotecting William Hague? The subject is no longer an active politician. &#8209;&#8209;Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 17:47, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Done...let's see how it goes...Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 18:09, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

DYK for HD 175167
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WikiCup 2021 November newsletter
The WikiCup is over for another year and the finalists can relax! Our Champion this year is, who amassed over 5000 points in the final round, achieving 8 featured articles and almost 500 reviews. It was a very competitive round; seven of the finalists achieved over 1000 points in the round (enough to win the 2019 contest), and three scored over 3000 (enough to win the 2020 event). Our 2021 finalists and their scores were:


 * 1) with 5072 points
 * 2) with 3276 points
 * 3) with 3197 points
 * 4) with 1611 points
 * 5) with 1571 points
 * 6) with 1420 points
 * 7) with 1043 points
 * 8) with 528 points

All those who reached the final round will win awards. The following special awards will be made based on high performance in particular areas of content creation and review. Awards will be handed out in the next few days.


 * wins the featured article prize, for 8 FAs in round 5.
 * wins the featured list prize, for 3 FLs in round 5.
 * wins the featured topic prize, for 13 articles in a featured topic in round 5.
 * wins the good article prize, for 63 GAs in round 4.
 * wins the good topic prize, for 86 articles in good topics in round 5.
 * wins the reviewer prize, for 68 FAC reviews and 213 GAN reviews, both in round 5.
 * wins the DYK prize, for 30 did you know articles in round 3 and 105 overall.
 * wins the ITN prize, for 71 in the news articles in round 1 and 284 overall.

Congratulations to everyone who participated in this year's WikiCup, whether they made it to the final round or not, and particular congratulations to the newcomers to the WikiCup, some of whom did very well. Wikipedia has benefitted greatly from the quality creations, expansions and improvements made, and the numerous reviews performed. Thanks to all who have taken part and helped out with the competition, not forgetting User:Jarry1250, who runs the scoring bot.

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TFAs for December 2021
Just letting you know I've selected Jameson's mamba TFA for 16 December and Australian boobook for 21 December. You know the drill. Hope you're doing well.--Wehwalt (talk) 12:33, 5 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Cheers! Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 03:41, 6 November 2021 (UTC)

crossing paths
Hey : nice that our paths cross again at the wreathed hornbill!! Are you interested in national parks? I've been working on Mudumalai National Park + collated some 50+ refs. I had asked Shyamal a while ago to see whether this page is worth being upgraded to B-class now, but he seems not to have time. Would YOU have? Once upgraded, I would like to GAN it. − BhagyaMani (talk) 12:37, 11 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Bit busy but I will see what I can do Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 12:39, 11 November 2021 (UTC)

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DYK for Corsi-Rosenthal Box
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 * theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (they/them) 03:17, 15 November 2021 (UTC)

This week's article for improvement (week 46, 2021)

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TFA blurb quick review
Hi, Cas! I have nominated Symphyotrichum lateriflorum to be on the main page in a Today's Featured Article. I know you are always busy, but do you have 3–5 minutes to read the blurb and make suggestions if needed, and Support or Oppose, whichever applies. It is at this link: Today's featured article/requests/Symphyotrichum lateriflorum. Eewilson (talk) 05:22, 15 November 2021 (UTC)

FA fish
Would you be interested in working on a fish species for FAC? LittleJerry (talk) 00:10, 16 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Quite possibly yes - which one did you have in mind? Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 05:08, 16 November 2021 (UTC)
 * The queen angelfish. LittleJerry (talk) 12:29, 16 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Okay. Looks interesting Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 19:02, 16 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Great! I'll work on the "Distribution and habitat" section which is uncited. I downloaded this book on zbooks which gives information on aquaculture and conservation. We may use this book which is not on zbooks. LittleJerry (talk) 14:27, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
 * We can also use these articles for evolution/phylogeny. LittleJerry (talk) 17:10, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
 * I ordered a book that should come in tomorrow or the next day. I'll wait until I get it before continuing. In the meantime, can you work on taxonomy/phylogeny? LittleJerry (talk) 20:23, 17 November 2021 (UTC)

Do you have anything you want to add? I can't find anything on the time of maturity and lifespan from quality sources. LittleJerry (talk) 17:54, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:WikiProject Fungi Collaboration
Template:WikiProject Fungi Collaboration has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the entry on the Templates for discussion page. – Jonesey95 (talk) 17:26, 16 November 2021 (UTC)

Arbcom 2022
I'm still hoping to see your name in the group. — Ched (talk) 14:30, 19 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Heh, well nominations have closed. Got alot on my plate for the next several months at least. I think they'll be okay from looking at who's running. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 14:59, 19 November 2021 (UTC)

Take the lead question
Hi Cas Liber! I just did a full rewrite of the lead of Haverford College. It wasn't particularly short beforehand, though. Does that sort of thing qualify for the contest, or is it only for expansion? &#123;{u&#124; Sdkb  }&#125;  talk 00:00, 21 November 2021 (UTC)
 * If it had been a lead that focussed on one issue then yes...but it was well-rounded beforehand. Sorry Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 03:07, 21 November 2021 (UTC)
 * No worries! Thanks for running the contest, &#123;{u&#124; Sdkb  }&#125;  talk 03:15, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

high placed trolls are still trolls
Internet Trolls Are Narcissists, Psychopaths, and Sadists

https://www.psychologytoday.com/intl/blog/your-online-secrets/201409/internet-trolls-are-narcissists-psychopaths-and-sadists

How many good faith editors have you personally chased of Wikipedia to create your pathetic little imaginary fiefdom Beeblebrox?

"I know that Beeblebrox in particular (currently on ArbCom) has an obsessive hatred for us in particular and will do anything  possible to prevent either of us from ever being welcomed back in any fashion.  I really can't imagine a scenario in which either of us are actually unblocked but it would probably take something we'd be unwilling to go along with.

....

"Over a decade ago, Durova had cautioned me about how some mentally unstable editors might fixate on adversaries and even take their harassment off-wiki, which I have actually experienced. At this point, I don't think Wikipedia's worth it.  Maybe, if you started your own Wiki or if I made you an admin on a Wikia wiki or something that I might still have admin abilities on, that could be an outlet?  But as for actual Wikipedia, you have people like Beeblebrox and Reyk that even ten years on will still be obsessed with us.  Granted, some of these people are inept, but others should not be underestimated in what they could do to disrupt people's lives where you really have to ask if it's worth the cost to deal with or if you're skilled cyberally to counter them?  ... Your pathetic rule and your ilk is built on a hose of cards Beeblebrox

Blowback in the form of peaceful revolution is a beautiful experience to personally take part in and to witness. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.138.7.83 (talk) 12:13, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Errr....I'm not ? Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 12:18, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
 * They posted this same screed to my talk page last week . I'm special I guess. Beeblebrox (talk) 18:40, 24 November 2021 (UTC)