User talk:Crisco 1492/Archive 27

DYK Policy Question
Can you weigh in on Template:Did you know nominations/Barry Stuppler? The reviewer would like a bit of assistance from a more experienced reviewer on a question that he/I raised. The information in question could easily be removed from the article; however, it is clearly an important award. I just don't have access to a reliable non-primary source to provide. Ryan Vesey Review me!  14:56, 16 June 2012 (UTC)
 * ✅ — Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:08, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Sjumandjaja
The article Sjumandjaja you nominated as a good article has been placed on hold. The article is close to meeting the good article criteria, but there are some minor changes or clarifications needed to be addressed. If these are fixed within seven days, the article will pass, otherwise it will fail. See Talk:Sjumandjaja for things which need to be addressed. Tea with toast  (話)  01:03, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

You know...
... you don't have to report to UAA anymore... Regards, ⇒ T A  P  12:10, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I know, but I wanted someone with more experience to do it (that was literally my first posting at UAA) — Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:12, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Aye, okay! ⇒ T A  P  12:15, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

Pic symmetry
A friend pointed out that the pic on my talk is not centered, can you crop it a bit on the right to get closer to symmetry? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:07, 10 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I'll look into this. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:37, 10 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Is this what you're looking for? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 16:04, 10 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, thank you! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:52, 11 June 2012 (UTC)
 * You're welcome. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:57, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

Pic to Commons
Could you get the pic from here to the commons? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:27, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Not convinced it's PD. No author, but claimed as 70 years after the author's death. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:38, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
 * How will we ever know about an anonymous pic? The pictured man was born in 1855. If the photographer was young when he took it, he may have been alive 70 years ago. But again, how would we know? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:29, 15 June 2012 (UTC)
 * If we had a date when the photograph was taken, that would be helpful. At the very least we could use a FUR. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 04:46, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Full Service: My Adventures in Hollywood and the Secret Sex Lives of the Stars
Graeme Bartlett (talk) 16:05, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

Please comment on Talk:Cigarette holder
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wow 6 years
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Portal:Indonesia/Article_schedule/October,_2006&action=edit

is a clue - it is simply loading a series of arts in - unfortunately the whizzes who created it are long long gone, but I would say mimic that for say June - august 2012 - and its working again (i think) although the pesky rabbit might have a better handle on the fmt and coding issues... SatuSuro 05:04, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Mhm... I think new featured portals generally have some sort of automated system. I'll see if the "pesky rabbit" wants to take a look, but that's if he hasn't edit conflicted me in reply here. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 05:11, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Laura Basuki
Yngvadottir (talk) 00:03, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

wow
thats beyond barnstarts or medals - just wow - for your dedication in re-building the indonesian portal - hope you have got something out of doing it - amazing!! SatuSuro 10:24, 19 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Hope to get the "this month in Indonesia" feature active later tonight, then try and trim some cruft. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 11:33, 19 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I was watching from the sidelines when the death portal was made - and never really got in close enough to understand some of the weirder aspects of portal section linkages... hmmm SatuSuro 11:46, 19 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I've been doing much of this through trial and error... I still have no idea how to properly deal with CSS stuff correctly. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 11:48, 19 June 2012 (UTC)
 * You might want to ping Cirt if you have any portal questions, he's pretty good with those. BTW, hope my peer review was comprehensible. It was a good read, the bit about the protests was pretty interesting. Mark Arsten (talk) 02:19, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I think I've got it. Right now I'm tracking dates for an "in this month" feature. Have 6 or 7 months finished, but June needs 2 more entries. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:21, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

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Supposed "ownership" of Descent from Antiquity article
I saw your notice to me re ownership, which I note you chose not to notify me personally about. The fact that someone, who dislikes an article I have contributed to, claims that I have acted this way, apparently based on a dispute I had with a rather incoherent and persistent IP editor four years ago, or that I am the only editor to have actively monitored edits to this article over time, is no proof that I have actually acted this way. Next time you encounter an accusation like this, you should investigate it first, and give the accused a chance to have a say, if you intend to decide guilt and pass judgement.--Chris Bennett (talk) 05:12, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

William Burges
Hi. Tim riley recommended you to give the images a review for the FA review?♦ Dr. Blofeld  15:50, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
 * My apologies for conspiring to lumber you yet again, but you are such a master of image reviews that I couldn't forbear. I hope you can find time to check this article, which I think is really outstanding. Tim riley (talk) 17:59, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Can I "third" this request. If you had the time and inclination, it would be hugely appreciated.  I'll respond as promptly as possible to any concerns/issues you may have.  KJP1 (talk) 19:03, 17 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Well, you've got an image review. I was surprised at the number of images. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:19, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Surprised perhaps, but obviously not daunted! That is absolutely superb.  I shall go through them this evening; at first glance, the issues raised seem to be ones with which I can cope.  May I get back to you should that prove not to be the case?
 * As my own aside, I'm afraid I don't know the term "Ucucha's script". Could you clarify.  With many thanks.  KJP1 (talk) 05:07, 18 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Dear Crisco 1492, firstly, can I apologise if I've caused offence by striking your comments. Having never done FAC, or GAC, before, I did ask if it was acceptable to strike another editor's comments and was told that it was.  But I certainly didn't mean to upset or annoy you, so sorry.  Your work on the article has been invaluable.  I'm afraid I rather lost patience with the whole process last night and perhaps wasn't thinking as clearly as I should have been.  Re. the article, I'll go back and review all of your comments again and try to address them.  But I shall need help, as I am not a very competent editor.  Can I come back to you?  With the footnote errors to which you refer, would it be possible for you to highlight those that need attention?  Thanks and apologies.  KJP1 (talk) 07:04, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I'll send a link to you for the script; it's really useful if you plan to use harv references. No big issue on the crossing out, just for future reference. Feel free to come back. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 07:08, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

Nauru
Hey Crisco, would you mind revisiting the Nauru FAR to see whether you have further concerns to raise? Nikkimaria (talk) 19:18, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

Burmese chronicles
Hi Criso, I've replied to you in the DYK nomination template. Please take a look. Thanks. Hybernator (talk) 23:07, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

Talk:Kidung Abadi/GA1
Statυs (talk) 23:12, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * Thanks PumpkinSky! — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:29, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
 * BTW, thanks again for the help on Anderson, you did the GA review and helped with the A class and FA promotions--that was a lot of effort. I tend to think Anderson is probably my best article at this point, I'm pretty happy with how it turned out. Mark Arsten (talk) 05:06, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
 * It was quite a piece of work indeed, just like the subject. You're welcome — Crisco 1492 (talk) 05:59, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Mas Mansoer
Hello! Your submission of Mas Mansoer at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! —Bruce1eetalk 08:55, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/Me Haces Falta
Sorry, but did you even SEE what you blindly did here? The idiotic check/tick was a batant lie! I made a comment and the reviewer abjectly refused to respond. That is not good faith and not ready.(Lihaas (talk) 16:01, 21 June 2012 (UTC)).

Wikipedia talk:Did you know
I invite you to provide your views at this discussion, which I think is important in clarifying when quoting or close paraphrasing is appropriate, or at least is allowed. This should not be a matter of personal preference. If close paraphrasing is not allowed in any circumstances, we need policy or guideline changes. Aymatth2 (talk) 22:26, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

Barnstar

 * Thanks a lot! — Crisco 1492 (talk) 03:45, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

User talk:Farhan Literary
Hello there - the above character has been editing obliviously to all communications directed to him, regularly reinstating text that has been removed. He makes no attempt to communicate either on talk pages, or by addressing the concerns raised regarding his edits. I have provided him with a "final warning" regarding his latest Jakarta edit. His talk page and lack of any use of talk pages in his contribs paints a clear enough picture. Would you be kind enough to have a look at it? many thanks --Merbabu (talk) 06:23, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
 * about time - thanks for that - SatuSuro 09:18, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
 * He'd been given enough chances. Mind you, the block is only 3 days. If he keeps at it, however... — Crisco 1492 (talk) 09:21, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for helping out. I suspect he didn't even know he was blocked. Ie, he only edits every few days, and there was no message on his page saying he was blocked. SO, he's at it again. Same edits, no edit summary, no discussion. He's made an attempt to communicate though through some feedback mechanism that I'm not familiar with. I suspect he is an young Indonesian kid with limited or no ability to use ENglish. --Merbabu (talk) 07:24, 23 June 2012 (UTC)

re help?
Hi,

Thanks so very much. I was wondering if removing the "-03" would do it, but because I don't really understand the thing, I didn't do it. Too bad Alarbus isn't here anymore because I was on my way to understanding those error messages through his comments.

On another note, I apologize for bugging out on the featured content stuff. I've just been bummed out by wikipedia, especially all the WMF issues. And you seem to turn out those featured content things so easily, while I agonize! I'll try to return and help you out.

Best wishes, MathewTownsend (talk) 01:00, 23 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Don't worry about it, focus on what you find interesting. Alarbus is Br'er, btw. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:04, 23 June 2012 (UTC)

another
semi protect candidate - your court - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RCTI SatuSuro 10:17, 23 June 2012 (UTC)
 * good faith and civility prevent me from saying anything - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Farhan_Literary SatuSuro 14:08, 23 June 2012 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/R.L. Holdsworth
's statement that the copyright issues had been resolved was wrong; they haven't. I informed him on Commons that he needed to provide author or date information (the latter being essential) to establish the copyright status - something he still hasn't done. Unless this is provided the image will likely be deleted. I personally don't think putting images like that on the Main Page was a good idea. CT Cooper · &#32;talk 14:06, 23 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for catching that. Sorry, I was offline most of yesterday (ill) — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:36, 24 June 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Nuku Muhammad Amiruddin
Graeme Bartlett (talk) 01:45, 24 June 2012 (UTC)

POTY
Just to let you know, we're covering it in NAN this week. Thx. Tony  (talk)  14:26, 24 June 2012 (UTC)

When is Fish Day?
Now Template:Did you know nominations/Lewat Djam Malam is not transcluded in T:TDYK. So I tried looking for Fish Day and found none on internet. When is Fish Day and where? --George Ho (talk) 15:27, 24 June 2012 (UTC)
 * 1 April. The French refer to it as "April Fish" (Poisson d'avril) — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:35, 24 June 2012 (UTC)

Alexander Aan
I was writing about another Indonesian Amnesty case tonight if you're at all interested. The article could particularly use sources that defend the verdict/criticize Alexander for balance; I suspect these might be easier to find in Indonesian than in English. Enjoy the day! Khazar2 (talk) 05:30, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I'll try looking into it. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 07:33, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

Afd closure
Thank you Crisco for closing up the Articles for deletion/David Conn (judge) but it seems the redirects for this page were still not deleted. and the orginal page which was moved by the creator is still not deleted. please take a look at the David L. Conn Special:WhatLinksHere/David_Conn_(judge) and WhatLinksHere/David_L._Conn, regards -- D Big X ray  05:32, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
 * That's odd, I could have sworn I clicked on "delete redirects" in the tool. Thanks. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 07:30, 25 June 2012 (UTC)


 * It seems that the article missed your watchful eyes. A possible explanation that I can think of is, All this happened because the Creator had moved the page David Conn (judge)  few hours after AfD nomination. So what you deleted was only the redirect (and may be the old redirects pointing to the redirect), and the actual article remained undeleted. I placed CSD G6 and another admin took care of it-- D Big X ray   08:55, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
 * That makes sense. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 09:00, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

Could you please explain ...
You recently closed Articles for deletion/David Conn (judge) as delete. Your closing statement however, did not say which arguments you thought were policy compliant, or why you discounted those you thought weren`t relevant.

Could you offer an explanation now. No offense, but in my opinion, it is in the best interests of the project if closing administrators concluding comments always contained an explanation, when multiple arguments and counter-arguments were exchanged. Even if, for the sake of argument, the closing administrator was 100 percent sure every other administrator would agree with their closure, there are still the good faith contributors who argued the contrary position to consider.

No good faith contributor wants to innocently lapse from policy because they don`t know any better. But when a closing administrator doesn`t explain the reasoning behind their closure to the good faith contributors who held the contraty position, they leave them in the unenviable position of knowing that an administrator thinks they don`t understand a policy -- and they don`t know what the policy was, or how they misunderstood it. That good faith contributor is left in the unenviable position of knowing they were likely to take the same steps again.

If the closing administrator`s closure was correct, this is a big waste of time for the hapless good faith contributor, and for whoever ends up cleaning up after their subsequent, preventable, good faith mistakes.

Of course administrators are human, and will occasionally make good faith mistakes themselves. Obviously when an administrator makes a good faith mistake in a closure, and then doesn`t explain that closure, it complicates getting their good faith mistake addressed -- or even recognized as a mistake.

So, please, for these two reasons, could you explain your closure? Geo Swan (talk) 15:38, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Bearian summarised it fairly succinctly: his military rank does not ensure notability, and the United States Court of Military Commission Review is not a major appellate court.
 * A bit longer of an answer, his military career does not include anything that shows he passes the GNG; no major commands, no revolutionary warfare tactics, and coverage seems fairly routine (in relation to cases). He fails POLITICIAN for his lack of a high enough seat; he wasn't elected, and the appellate court is not a major one. Regarding the court, based on the article it was more of a commission established for a single purpose, which was closed after three years. That does not compare to a Supreme Court, either national or state. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 16:24, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I know Bearian made the assertion you mentioned above. But, he or she provided zero explanation as to why they made this assertion.  I suggest his or her assertion is contrary to the specific wording of the guideline, and contrary to the closure of Articles for deletion/Amy Bechtold.  I quoted Bearian`s comment, and explained why I disagreed with it.  I believe Bearian may have outed him or herself as a lawyer, in real life.  For several policy based reasons I think this should add zero extra credibility to his or her comments on legal issues.
 * With regard to your reference to GNG -- why do you think we have more narrow, specific notability guidelines, like WP:Notability (people) or WP:Notability (academic)? Don`t the more specific guidelines amend and supercede more general guidelines?  WP:Notability (academic) specifically says:
 * {| class="wikitable"


 * This guideline is independent from the other subject specific notability guidelines, such as WP:BIO, WP:MUSIC, WP:AUTH etc.: it is possible for an academic not to be notable under the provisions of this guideline but to be notable in some other way under one of the other subject specific notability guidelines. Conversely, if an academic is notable under this guideline, his or her possible failure to meet other subject specific notability guidelines is irrelevant.
 * This guideline is independent from the other subject specific notability guidelines, such as WP:BIO, WP:MUSIC, WP:AUTH etc.: it is possible for an academic not to be notable under the provisions of this guideline but to be notable in some other way under one of the other subject specific notability guidelines. Conversely, if an academic is notable under this guideline, his or her possible failure to meet other subject specific notability guidelines is irrelevant.


 * }
 * You wrote above:
 * {| class="wikitable"


 * He fails POLITICIAN for his lack of a high enough seat; he wasn't elected, and the appellate court is not a major one.
 * He fails POLITICIAN for his lack of a high enough seat; he wasn't elected, and the appellate court is not a major one.


 * }
 * If you go back and check the wording of the first numbered point under WP:Notability (people) you will see that it specifically includes judges -- so, no offense, your objection that he was not elected is not supported by the guidelines` wording.
 * Another respondent did make the comment that the USCMCR was not a “major appellate court”. As with Bearians unsupported opinion this opinion was also unsupported.  I asked what they meant by “major”, and they chose not to respond.  The specific wording of WP:Notability (people) says nothing about only applying to judges of “major appellate court”.  It says nothing about only applying to judges of “appellate court”.  The specific wording says it applies to judges at the National or State or Provincial level.  I went on and pointed out that WRT major, the USCMCR is authorized to review death sentence cases.
 * You wrote:
 * {| class="wikitable"


 * Regarding the court, based on United States Court of Military Commission Review it was more of a commission established for a single purpose, which was closed after three years. That does not compare to a Supreme Court, either national or state.
 * Regarding the court, based on United States Court of Military Commission Review it was more of a commission established for a single purpose, which was closed after three years. That does not compare to a Supreme Court, either national or state.


 * }
 * First, I am sorry your reading of the article made you think the court closed after three years. I did all the early work on that article and I certainly don`t remember writing that.  The Obama administration plans to hold more Military Commissions, and the USCMCR remains active today.
 * One of the correspondents in the AFD asserted that the USCMCR wasn`t as important as a Supreme Court. But the specific wording, again, says nothing about only applying to judges at a Supreme Court.
 * A little background on the Military Commissions and USCMCR. Legal and human rights experts were extremely critical of the Bush administration for setting up the new and untried Military Commission system.  They pointed out that the USA already HAD two justice systems -- a civilian justice system and the military court martial system.  They questioned why the Bush administration would set up what was essentially a THIRD justice system.  The SCOTUS is the highest civilian court in the USA.  I don`t know if appeals in the USA`s military courts martial system can be appealed to the SCOTUS once appeals in the courts martial system are exhausted.  But under the military commission system the USCMCR is not an appeals court, it was intended to be the only appeals court.  So, by one way of reasoning, as the highest level of appeal in that system, it is a Supreme Court.
 * I am not unsympathetic to those who weighed in, in the AFD, who don`t like the clear specific meaning of the guideline. Nevertheless, I asked them if they didn`t think we should go with the specific wording of the policy, while they made arguments at Wikipedia talk:Notability (people) to get the wording changed.  Geo Swan (talk) 05:44, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

Deletion question
Is ZIBA speedy-able? I just prodded it for now. Mark Arsten (talk) 18:01, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Doesn't seem to be, previous deletion was a PROD. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:16, 25 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Ok, well, not a biggie then. Let me know when the discography goes live. Mark Arsten (talk) 00:14, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Satria Mandala Museum
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Chrisye discography
hello,

this discography looks pretty good. I would remove "Poor" in the Sales column as it sounds like a POV commentary rather than a definite statement. If you can't find the approximate number of sales, then simply remove the "Poor". Also do not link same words every time, eg "CD"; just link on the first occasion. Audio cassette could be shortened to "CC" and vinyl record to "LP". Otherwise ready for FLC! :)-- GoP T C N 09:11, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * Thanks! — Crisco 1492 (talk) 10:05, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

Many thanks
Many thanks for tidying up the article which I created on Nathan Caton -  your hard work is appreciated. ACEOREVIVED (talk) 19:12, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
 * You're welcome. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:31, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

my rampage
Hi,

I've just gone on a rampage regarding Non free use of excessive quotations. It's hard to believe that a long time editor doesn't understand copyvio. However, the editor that passed all those articles finally "gets it", so I feel much better, like I've gotten somewhere. i'm worn out! Hope you're doing ok - you always seem so calm and laid back! MathewTownsend (talk) 00:30, 27 June 2012 (UTC)
 * You'd be surprised... there have been admins blocked for copyvio. This user had almost 700 DYKs before being ultimately blocked for copyvio. For myself, I'd much rather do my own thing than get too emotionally involved. Old versions of The Shirelles, for example, were... terrible. So I fixed it.
 * And yes, if we're thinking of the same sets of articles those quotes are way too long. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:34, 27 June 2012 (UTC)
 * yeah, I was feeling very lonely for a while, so it feels good to get some agreement. But cleaning up, do you think it would be alright for me just to go through the articles and remove the copyvio? I'm willing to do it, but ... MathewTownsend (talk) 00:40, 27 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I'd suggest rephrasing the quotations, assuming that's feasible. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:42, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

Close of Articles for deletion/Ed Carfrey
Hello Crisco 1492. I noticed that you closed this AfD as a speedy keep because there were no "No" votes except the nominator. I realize the discussion was a bit messy, but I did cast a no vote, so speedy keep was probably inappropriate. In any case, it seems the concensus was to keep (although no one demonstrated GNG-compliance which is a shame). Best regards. Jogurney (talk) 12:58, 27 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for bringing that to my attention; yeah, it was buried in between the bickering heated debates. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:06, 27 June 2012 (UTC)
 * No worries. Thank you for updating the close. Jogurney (talk) 13:08, 27 June 2012 (UTC)
 * You're welcome. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:10, 27 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Also, given that other subjects that meet subject-specific guidelines have been deleted for not meeting GNG, a speedy keep is inappropriate here. I'd ask that you consider re-opening to let other editors weigh in, or at least turn the closing to an early keep (not speedy) - these things are not open/shut cases and speedy is inappropriate IMHO. The sources provided still do not meet GNG - they are all trivial mentions. We deleted Sandra Fluke (who has thousands of articles written about her)...--KarlB (talk) 13:27, 27 June 2012 (UTC)
 * She failed 1E, while this one passed its specific content guideline. You were already reminded about other articles having no consequence in AFD debates. It is pretty good reading. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:03, 27 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I realize that; my point is, that debate was not speedied, nor should this one have been. Henry Oxley is a similar case; played a few games, meets NSPORTS, but doesn't clearly meet GNG. There are dozens of other similar AfD discussions that have ended in different ways for sportspeople of dubious notability. If you read the talk page of NSPORTS, and the NSPORTS guideline itself, it is pretty clear that presumed notability can be challenged (and it is, regularly). Thus, I still feel this was an improper early close. If you still want to keep it closed, in any case it should not be listed as speedy, since GNG is far from being met. Thanks!--KarlB (talk) 15:07, 27 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Oxley should, rightfully, be closed as a keep within two days. If the only thing you ask for is a change of terminology on a page which will be read by, at most, one person a month starting a couple of weeks after the debate is closed, I'll change speedy to keep. If you think it should have been deleted and disagree with a closure of keep, please feel free to go to the review panel or wait for a period of time before nominating for deletion again (I'd suggest at least a month) — Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:15, 27 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Ok, thanks; no just removal of speedy is what I'm requesting here, although my preference would have been to allow the discussion to continue to allow non-sports editors to weigh in, but I'm not going to debate this endlessly. As it stood, consensus to keep was clear as an outcome, even if IMHO the WP:N states otherwise, but delete was the proper reading of consensus, so DRV is not appropriate.--KarlB (talk) 15:37, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

Third relists
Hi Crisco, I noticed you relisted a few AFDs for a third time. Per WP:RELIST, third or further relists should be accompanied by "a short explanation... why [you] did not consider the debate sufficient." I hope you'll consider doing this in the future. There are some cases, especially those which have attracted no comments since the last relisting, where the debate has essentially ended, which may happen even with little participation. Best, BDD (talk) 16:54, 28 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the reminder. I included rationales with a couple, where I considered the relisting may possibly be controversial. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:16, 28 June 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Pantulan Cita
Graeme Bartlett (talk) 00:03, 29 June 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Republik Twitter
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"List of songs recorded"
Hi Cris. I'm working on a list based on your List of songs recorded by Chrisye, and thought I'd ask you a few things about it before I start working on the prose. The band in question, Faith No More, have released a live album, though all the live recordings on it are already present on other albums beforehand so they're included in the list anyway; would say to list them again as separate recordings or just treat the live material as being the same songs? I'm opting for the latter myself, though your list did pretty well so I figured your opinion would be worth getting. Thanks! GRAPPLE  X  00:44, 27 June 2012 (UTC)
 * To be honest I just based mine off List of songs recorded by Rihanna. To answer your question, in the list I made I treated songs with new arrangements, which would have required a separate recording session, as separate songs (hence why "Pelangi" is on there twice). Chrisye had a habit of recording different songs with the same title, so there's quite a bit of repetition. Tl;dr: I'd say go for it, but be open to further input during FLC. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:12, 27 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Fair enough, I'll add them in so that every album is covered. I can remove it again if deemed unnecessary. Thanks for your help. GRAPPLE   X  02:05, 27 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Not sure if you're much of an alt rock/experimental music fan but the finished list is here; if you have the time your opinion on the lead would be hugely welcome. I'm pretty happy about the table and the actual listings though so I think they're okay. And give me a ping when you've got Soegija ready for review, and I'll run through it when I get the chance. GRAPPLE   X  01:26, 3 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Looking quickly, I think that a bit more focus on the songs is necessary... any signature songs should be noted, some of their better-performing singles, etc. A lead focused on albums would be good for a discography. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:35, 3 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Yeah, that made a lot of sense. Thanks! GRAPPLE   X  03:49, 3 July 2012 (UTC)
 * You're welcome! — Crisco 1492 (talk) 06:09, 3 July 2012 (UTC)

Adoption
Hello. I want to say thank to you for your detailed instruction. I find things in items 1 are relatively easy and I can also upload fair use/free images. As you are an English teacher, I think you also teach high school students (I am) and have some good advice in learning English. I am studying at English class. My grammar is not so bad but I often have difficulty in writing essays. What can I do to improve it? I know Wikipedia is not a forum/chatroom but this is involved in my article work here. Best regards (Btw, I will use your talk page to discuss as it will be easier for you to notice)--Morning Sunshine (talk) 03:42, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I am. I have some private students who are in high school, but I (used to) teach at an elementary school. To improve your English on-Wiki, I'd suggest asking a person who copyedits why s/he made a change s/he did, to better learn the rules. Also, for on-Wiki at least, choose to stick with a specific English variant. Don't switch between American, British, and Australian English, as it will be fairly unprofessional. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 03:48, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Sorry for the late reply. I think it can be you, isn't it? You are a great editors who has some GAs and FAs here. And could you please explain more about the English variants. I don't know whether I Don't switch between them. Again, thank you for your advice--Morning Sunshine (talk) 11:12, 30 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, for an example, you could check the subject-object agreement (you is singular, editors isn't). There's not much I can explain that isn't already in Comparison of American and British English (very useful read). I'd be happy to adopt you. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:29, 30 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the article. It may takes me quite long time to read and learn from it. I'm on the way of searching for information to create articles. I think it's easier to translate an article in Vietnamese than make a brand new one. I'm going to start an article about Vietnamese poets. However, I am worried about the notability of them as they exists locally, not in any wiki--Morning Sunshine (talk) 10:02, 1 July 2012 (UTC)
 * You just need the sources. If you have Vietnamese-language sources it's okay, just like offline sources are okay. Chrisye has like 5 English sources... because all the quality information about him is in Indonesian. And many of the sources are offline, which is totally allowed. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 10:09, 1 July 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Maia Estianty
Yngvadottir (talk) 16:02, 29 June 2012 (UTC)

DYK Lunar Sample Laboratory Facility
Thanks for your DYK review of Lunar Sample Laboratory Facility. I think I've addressed the concerns you raised. Can you review and confirm on the article's DYK nomination? --JohnPomeranz (talk) 18:47, 29 June 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Di Timur Matahari
Apologies for the delayed credit, DYKUpdateBot got edit-conflicted and yielded to the user. Shubinator (talk) 23:26, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
 * That explains it. Thanks. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:48, 29 June 2012 (UTC)

Today
You are featured in today's good story (hidden message: "open mind"), awesome Wikipedian of 19 February 2012 ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:23, 30 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks Gerda. Glad Psky got some main page time! — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:24, 30 June 2012 (UTC)

DYK
Could you review a DYK nomination of mine? I've got 11 on the nomination page. Thanks! ⇒ T A  P  15:02, 30 June 2012 (UTC)
 * As is fairly evident from my recent contribution history, I have a major rewrite underway right now. Sorry. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 10:14, 1 July 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Sinematek Indonesia
Thank-you from the DYK helpers and Graeme Bartlett (talk) 16:04, 30 June 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Pengejar Angin
Yngvadottir (talk) 00:05, 1 July 2012 (UTC)

Bani Mustafa Article
I am the author of the article "Bani Mustafa", and I would like to make some points regarding the unfair deletion process of the article.

1. The deletion proposal was made by the user JohnRak as part of the dispute reagrding the contents of the article Jerash here. The relation between the two users is quiet obvious, as the user JohnRak admitted that he works with the user Historyfeelings in the real life as shown here. This made him if not socketpuppet a hired crowd.

2. The PROD deletion proposal overpassed the Articles for Deletion (AfD) process which is against Wikipedia policy as stated here

3. The PROD deletion proposal was made by the user JohnRak whose creation was dedicated solely for the deletion of the article Bani Mustafa as shown in the history of his contributions as the first contribution for the user was the deletion proposal. Please check here

4. The PROD deletion proposal was made while I was in the process of responding to the AfD. In my response to I depended on the information which I had on hand during that time, which I admit it was not complete.

5. The article was subject to a continuous vandalism since the beginning of the dispute between me and HistoryFeelings over the article Jerash, where the vandalism was made by anonymous IP addresses.

6. I can assure that all the information, which I have included in the article were genuine and authentic. However, most of the sources provided in the article are written in Arabic and are not available on the internet. These resources are available in Jordan and can be obtained from many public libraries, however as I am away now, I have no access to these sources as they are not available online.

7. An article which was written on the website of the Jordanian news agency "Almadenahnews" confirms that, please see the English translation of this article here. Banimustafa (talk) 09:57, 1 July 2012 (UTC)
 * You may want to read COI, as you have created an article with the same title as your user name. I deleted after the AFD here, which was closed in accordance to consensus; the removed PROD had nothing to do with it. You can use non-English sources, although I suggest that you wait for someone else to write an article about you. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 10:06, 1 July 2012 (UTC)

Re:Catholic bishop
Hm, I'm particularly knowledgeable on bishop-related terms. I've looked through and I don't see any glaring errors but I would suggest seeing if anyone at WikiProject Catholicism could check it over - there are almost 400 members on there, so one of them has got to know something. :)  Toa   Nidhiki05  14:55, 2 July 2012 (UTC)

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Thanks for participating in my RFA! I appreciate your support. Zagal e jo^^^ 06:12, 3 July 2012 (UTC)
 * You're welcome! Now go get 'em. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 06:14, 3 July 2012 (UTC)

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very very nice!
Hi,

Your Signposts without me have been excellent! (By the way, three articles that I reviewed for GA became FAs this week.)

You really have a gift for coming up with a theme. This week's images are beautiful!

I'm participating in the GA review drive, so I've been a bit distracted lately. But if you want help on the Signpost, don't hesitate to ask.

Best wishes,

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 * Glad you like it. Things have been fairly slow, dunno why. Maybe everyone's at the GA drive — Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:49, 3 July 2012 (UTC)

gawks...
bit big isnt it? take care with things that big, lebih besar daripada banyak orang dengan agama yang berbeda... sigh SatuSuro 09:47, 3 July 2012 (UTC)
 * actually good to see - just re-read it, due to my connections with jogja jesuits and muntilan - it is pleasing to see such a well written art - 130% for that one imho - way well beyond standards required for wp en - you gonna find something more rewarding sometime? SatuSuro 09:55, 3 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Like books? Might look into it; I've got a translation published already, but the money was... a little disappointing.
 * Soegijapranata's article is 5200 words, similar to that of Chrisye. Sudirman has over 6000. I may look into a biography of Ahmad Dahlan once my finances recover from my book binge over the past two weeks. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 10:56, 3 July 2012 (UTC)
 * that brings back memories of the bookshops that were in jogja in the old days and some of the second hand book outlets, ahh the lost opportunities... SatuSuro 11:26, 3 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Shame I've yet to find a good one. The only  decent place is behind Beringharjo, and even then most books are new. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 11:33, 3 July 2012 (UTC)
 * up i got my best rare books from there in the early 1990's some absolute beauties that escaped the 65/66 cleansing... btw your intellectual dexterity and capacity to cope with the flight of the eternal jiins of the night( maybe the fruit bats of kalasan, perhaps..., maybe might be found http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Reformations#Requested_move  and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-Suharto_era  - I might well be misreading what is going on If I have my apoligies for the false leads, I'll blame it on the gunung kidul pisang (sic) - I'll leave it to you to decide...  nuwun... SatuSuro 13:19, 3 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Yeah, that's a mess. Do people even open articles before saying that the subjects have no right to be on a DAB page? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:50, 3 July 2012 (UTC)

Just Juice AfD
Hi. I've merged the content from Just Juice to Hansen's as per Articles_for_deletion/Junior_Juice. What happens next? None of the documentation about article deletion seems to say what an editor should do to get the page deleted once they've done the merge. Dricherby (talk) 08:01, 4 July 2012 (UTC)
 * A redirect would be fine (i.e. #REDIRECT Monster Beverage — Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:27, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

re: Pinkan Mambo
Hi,

The article is basically fine now. I've made a few more comments at Talk:Pinkan Mambo/GA1. No biggie. MathewTownsend (talk) 19:35, 4 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Replied. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:28, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Zuster Theresia
Hello! Your submission of Zuster Theresia at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! LauraHale (talk) 01:20, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

A cupcake for you!

 * Vote? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:45, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

AFD closed twice
Hi again Crisco, I noticed you closed an AFD that had already been closed. It looked a bit odd, so I removed your markup. If that was a mistake in any way, feel free to revert it with my apologies. Best, BDD (talk) 04:21, 5 July 2012 (UTC)
 * No problem, seems Joe and I were closing AFDs at the same time (see here) — Crisco 1492 (talk) 04:24, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

Any DYK reviews needed?
Hi. Do you have any open DYKs that you need reviewed? --LauraHale (talk) 04:49, 5 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Nah, somehow they're getting snapped up like no tomorrow. Thanks for the offer. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 04:52, 5 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Noticed that recently. In the past week or so, the stuff I've nominated tends to be reviewed rather quickly.  Whereas two to three weeks ago?  Not so much. :( (Trying to keep my QPQ kitty up as I am trying to shove through as many Aussie Olympians I can in advance of the Olympics.) --LauraHale (talk) 04:53, 5 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Indeed. Guess people are avoiding the nightmares above. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 05:07, 5 July 2012 (UTC)
 * The problem is sometimes DYKs get lost up there between non-nightmares. :( I think I got two of those last night that have subsequently moved to the prep area. I don't mind non-nightmares but the nightmare ones are ZOMG.  Scarey. Just got two short Olympic ones reviewed.  We'll see how many Olympic related DYK hooks we end up with.  It could be a two week nightmare if we end up filling everything. ;)  I've nominated seven in the past two days. I suspect we'll see bitching about how the hooks for the Olympics are only for a few countries. --LauraHale (talk) 05:47, 5 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I could probably chip in one or two. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:23, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tate Snyder Kimsey Architects
Hi Crisco, you recently closed an AfD as 'keep' when there were two editors arguing for deletion and two against. Would you at least be able to qualify your decision? I was about to reply to MelanieN (who'd left a message on my Talk page) to suggest the debate be left open a bit longer to gauge the reaction to her re-write. The election scandal probably tips the subject towards notability but I wouldn't want this to set a precedent for every American architecure firm, with an international contract, being assumed as notable. All the best! Sionk (talk) 10:22, 5 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Note how the second one, you are counting as a delete, said "lean towards delete". It was not an out-and-out delete !vote. I admit that MelanieN's rewrite bolstered the Keep votes, as she had found sources which support notability. The version nominated for deletion would definitely have been relisted. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 10:39, 5 July 2012 (UTC)
 * In fact if you look at their change of mind, they say "I would have to say Delete for this one. As it is, it is not encyclopedic and doesn't meet notability guidelines". What I'm asking for is for you to explain your 'Keep' decision on the AfD (not on your Talk page). The discussion was by no means clear and it is normal for the closing admin to explain their decision in these circumstances. Sionk (talk) 11:06, 5 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Added. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:16, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Pinkan Mambo
Graeme Bartlett (talk) 21:20, 4 July 2012 (UTC) 08:04, 6 July 2012 (UTC)

Ceres (women's fraternity) request copy
I apologize, but I didn't have a chance to update the article since I haven't had power since Friday at home. Could I please have a copy of the Ceres Article in my personal area, preferably User:Naraht/Ceres (women's fraternity). Thank You.Naraht (talk) 15:03, 5 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Available at User:Naraht/Ceres (women's fraternity) — Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:37, 5 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank You. The question then becomes whether information on individual chapters by school newspapers at those schools would satisfy notability in that manner...Naraht (talk) 16:53, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/List of RiverClan cats
Hi,

You've closed this AfD as "userfy", but it doesn't appear you've done anything with the pages (which are still in articlespace). Are you leaving it up to the users who requested it to carry out? Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 18:41, 5 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I was, yes, but I'll do it now (note that I implied as much in my closing statement) — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:27, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

For you

 * Thanks Dank. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:26, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

sekali lagi
dank u SatuSuro 00:36, 6 July 2012 (UTC)

also Sudomo Salim needs to be loaded onto the portal thingy - he has only been edited by ips since his death... SatuSuro 00:45, 6 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Done the first. Don't think Salim's article is in good enough shape to go on the portal. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:00, 6 July 2012 (UTC)

ta - up on the s s SatuSuro 01:04, 6 July 2012 (UTC)

Hi, Cris
Perusing my watchlist this evening I happened upon this. I must admit I didn't recognize your sig and I apologize as I have not been keeping up with RfA for more than a year. I wanted to thank you for the protection and the revert on Global TV (Indonesia). I've had that article (and about a dozen others pertaining to Singaporean, Malay and Indonesian media) on my watchlist for well over a year. You may be aware that there has been a concerted effort to mar and/or bloat these articles for some time. In the beginning the edits were easily reverted and protection extended as the users were blatantly disruptive. More recently the edits have been more discrete; requiring some knowledge of the subject (knowledge that I lack) to revert. Outright disruption has been abandoned in favor of unsourced, chipping away at the basic content. I have not been alone in this task, but I would hope that you (as an admin familiar with the subject) can find time to help out in this regard. If you would find it helpful, I can point you to various discussions I've initiated in the past which outline the problem and contain a list of the articles at hand. I understand we all have time constraints and areas of particular interest; any help you can bring would be more than we had before. See ya 'round  Tide  rolls  01:18, 6 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Sure, no problem. Suro (above) has been bringing these things to my attention since June. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:22, 6 July 2012 (UTC)
 * For your reference: (Contains most of the articles affected but is not complete. Some of these I have recently re-protected.) Also:  (A manual of style discussion when the disruption was easy to identify).  Finally:  (A discussion that was archived after 60 days with no response].
 * You know, I somehow feel dirty after stumbling across these... — Crisco 1492 (talk) 05:44, 6 July 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * Thanks Bushranger! — Crisco 1492 (talk) 05:31, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

Bambang Widjojanto
Hey Crisco, If you've got any interest, I've been working to put together an article today on RFK Award laureate and KPK deputy Bambang Widjojanto. It's pretty choppy so far; lots of news coverage of him (4000+ Google News hits) but I can't find a detailed profile. Take a look if you're in the mood; if not, no worries. Enjoy the day! Khazar2 (talk) 20:50, 6 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I'll try to take a look later today. Gonna upload more pictures for Albertus Soegijapranata (not my usual field, but an important subject nonetheless). — Crisco 1492 (talk) 05:33, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Si Pitoeng (1931 film)
Casliber (talk · contribs) 00:05, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

DYK prep
Hey. I don't suppose you could move two of the completed prep areas to the queue? And then build another prep area or two? Template:Did you know/Queue tells me there are 33 hooks that have been passed and these hooks are likely to jam things up making it hard to find unreviewed stuff. :( --LauraHale (talk) 00:45, 7 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I'll try to get there later. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 05:43, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Bambang Widjojanto
Hello! Your submission of Bambang Widjojanto at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! LauraHale (talk) 07:43, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

Query

 * I can see good reason why jakartan soccer enthusiasts and jakartans need their own wiki to themselves just to make us bored.. there are too many very good examples of why - but http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TransJakarta_Corridors makes me wonder, does anyone involved with that actually know anything WP:NOT and WP:ABOUT in Sundanese, Betawi, Indonesian and or Javanese? .. I dont think so SatuSuro 05:07, 6 July 2012 (UTC)
 * This could be notable... but I'm not sure what the notability guidelines are for transportation related articles. I avoid those like the plague, even for notable roads like MH Thamrin in Jakarta. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 05:11, 6 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Yeah I have no problem at all with good honest avoidance of the crud subject areas - but the sheer volume of something like that is somewhat daunting - i would have thought WP:NOT/Guide and a few other guidelines might put some perspective on it - anyways another to ponder in the not so difficult to deal with department - anways, next... Media Nusantara Citra oops and MediaCorp Suria  SatuSuro 05:23, 6 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Done and *shudder* done. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 05:41, 6 July 2012 (UTC)
 * gracias amigo! SatuSuro 06:09, 6 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Da nada. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 06:11, 6 July 2012 (UTC)


 * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MNC_International - expletives deleted - stuffed i can find a reasonable form to revert to - its a veritable cesspit - better than a javanese wc i remember at the back of sonobudoyo in 95 ! - enough e coli to... etc etc SatuSuro 06:51, 8 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Removed some junk. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 07:05, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Holy Rosary Cathedral (Semarang)
Hello! Your submission of Holy Rosary Cathedral (Semarang) at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Prioryman (talk) 17:40, 7 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Ergh I just spent time reviewing this hook! Was put into an edit conflict when reviewing it. Aaron  &bull; You  Da  One 17:42, 7 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks both. (Sorry Calvin!) — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:42, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Alexander Aan
Graeme Bartlett (talk) 08:03, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

fyi
I asked you about your closure on June 25. You gave a brief reply about an hour and a half later. I left a followup the next day -- which you seem to have chosen not to reply to.

I initiated Deletion review/Log/2012 July 8, which also applies to your closure of David Conn (judge).

The contributor who nominated these two articles has nominated another article I started about a military commission judge -- claiming your closures as a precedent. Geo Swan (talk) 01:33, 8 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Okay. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:37, 8 July 2012 (UTC)


 * The DRV was wrongly started by Geo Swan, following my recent comment on Articles for deletion/Ronald A. Gregory. I would simply tag this one as Badgering that  was also done on my talk page today. -- D Big X ray   02:59, 8 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I was considering a couple links for Geo Swan. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 03:06, 8 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Crisco, did you consider weighing in in the discussion, with your opinions, and letting another administrator close the discussion?


 * As to whether the advice of the essay Walls of text applies -- your explanation of your closures was based on several serious misconceptions. We are all volunteers here.  No one can force us to undertake a task.  But, I suggest, the rest of us can legitimately be disappointed in other volunteers who begin tasks, and then fail to competently bring them to completion.


 * You repeated your serious misconceptions in your defense of your closure. I understand you considered the advice of Walls of text.  However, your repetition of misconceptions I had already corrected -- like that the USCMCR had been "disbanded" suggests you guessed wrong in choosing not to read my followup comment.  Geo Swan (talk) 15:01, 8 July 2012 (UTC)