User talk:Gog the Mild/Archive 5

Adamson Tannehill
Hi Gog the Mild, Could you please let me know what still needs to be completed to get my FAC, Adamson Tannehill, over the hump? I've got three supporting reviews, including yours. The spot-check reviewer has approved all my revisions based on his/her comments. Finally, after all the trying that seems appropriate, I cannot get Harrias to finish off his much-appreciated source review. Which leaves me where? Just curious. I appreciate all your help! Tfhentz (talk) 16:08, 3 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I am recused, but I note that you seem to have put 's user name in bold rather than pinging them when you commented that the spot check was complete. So they may not yet realise that the review is ready for them to comment on again. Or they may be busy preparing some maps. I understand that when a review is drawn out it can be frustrating waiting for other volunteer editors to get back on something - really I do, I have been there - but for a first nom this seems to be ticking along and I am quite sure that Harrias will be along in due course, despite their misfortune of possessing a real life. Get on with your RL and try not to worry about the FAC too much. Gog the Mild (talk) 19:35, 3 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Sound advice...you're right. I just don't like things hanging, but I'll just be patient. Thanks again very much. 2603:8080:2A00:F05F:C583:9FAE:8D18:431C (talk) 19:38, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

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Re: the certification title issue
Hey, do you really want me to start a discussion at the Songs wikiproject talk page? That often invites drama which I am desperately trying to avoid considering I am standing on wafer thin ice on here. The only reason I am unwilling to compromise on the capitalization issue is because this contradicts every song FA I have written. "Title" (song) and "The One" (Tamar Braxton song) which you also recused and reviewed have the capitalized certification titles so I am a bit lost why this becomes an issue now.--NØ 21:09, 5 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I probably didn't notice it before. It is one of those where once noticed it niggles; the more I think about it, the less convinced I am that it is correct. You didn't help yourself by pointing me to two discussions where the consensus was against capitalising in the situation where you did. You are correct that you are on thin ice, but I don't think a RfC on Songs would cut it anyway. A local consensus can't overrule the MoS, which - having had some time to chew it over - I now believe is clear on the matter. You would need a RfC on the MoS.
 * Just bite the bullet and lower case it. If you really care about consistency, change it in your other articles. Wikipedia policy is quite clear that consistency between - as opposed to within - articles is not required. (I once created articles on two battles in the same campaign, where the English were fighting in France. In one I had imperial as the primary units, in the other metric. I did it entirely to wind up a reviewer who was over-enamoured by consistency.)
 * "An issue now": it is surprising how often I look at something and suddenly see it in a different light. If I haven't picked this up before, you are right to chide me about it, but that doesn't mean that I am wrong now. Researching, I note that my fellow coordinator,, used lower case in their recently promoted Telephone (song). Perhaps they could opine on your use in My Little Love? Gog the Mild (talk) 21:39, 5 November 2023 (UTC)
 * From a grammatical perspective, the use of capital letters is typically reserved for proper nouns—specific names or titles. Music certifications, such as gold, platinum and diamond, are more akin to adjectives describing the degree of success a recording has achieved. I think employing lowercase letters maintains grammatical consistency, treating them as descriptors rather than unique entities. It reflects a linguistic choice that aligns with the functional role of these terms in describing, rather than naming, the level of accomplishment.
 * On the other hand, I notice that RIAA uses capital letters in their descriptions, but they are referring to the awards themselves, which are specific and tangible entities. The awards, such as Gold & Platinum Awards, are proper nouns because they represent physical accolades given to artists. In contrast, when discussing the certification levels (gold, platinum, etc.), which indicate the degree of success, maintaining lowercase letters aligns with the grammatical convention for common descriptors rather than specific titles or awards. FrB.TG (talk) 22:08, 5 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Done now, albeit this is killing my OCD...--NØ 17:25, 6 November 2023 (UTC)

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Regarding [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Village_pump_(idea_lab)&diff=prev&oldid=1183820488 this comment]: perhaps you could consider a milder expression of disapproval? At the idea lab village pump, editors ought to be able to throw out ideas in order to spark discussion. I do agree that proposals that aren't based on a demonstrated problem aren't going to get far. Nonetheless, getting people to think freely about new approaches is hard, and thus I feel the community would benefit from not having its participants be ashamed of proposing an idea. (I appreciate there can be a fine line between encouraging someone to make a better proposal next time, and discouraging them about their current proposal.) isaacl (talk) 18:45, 6 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks for [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Village_pump_(idea_lab)&diff=prev&oldid=1183824535 your revision]. I appreciate it! isaacl (talk) 21:54, 6 November 2023 (UTC)

Piri
Thanks for closing Featured article candidates/Piri/archive1, I probably bit off more than I could chew in nominating it. I can advise that the article went through Peer Review just before I nominated it and went unreviewed, so I probably won't send it there again any time soon. I do have two questions about the process though.

I notice that Guidance on source reviewing at FAC states that in certain circumstances primary sources are "entirely acceptable and even welcome". It was my understanding that anything that was only sourceable in primary sources would constitute undue weight. What are the circumstances in which I could use them? (An earlier version of the article used way too many of them, but it may contain useful things.)

Is there any chance at all you could provide some comments on this yourself? (I did mention that I would like to run it on her birthday, 14 March, but given that said date is only four months away, and her birthday is only available in AllMusic and her Twitter, I suspect this might not happen.) Thank you. Laun chba ller 11:08, 9 November 2023 (UTC)


 * Primary sources: that is difficult to answer without re-litigating the FAC. WP:RSPRIMARY is the basic guidance, especially "Although specific facts may be taken from primary sources, secondary sources that present the same material are preferred. Large blocks of material based purely on primary sources should be avoided. All interpretive claims, analyses, or synthetic claims about primary sources must be referenced to a secondary source, rather than original analysis of the primary-source material by Wikipedia editors." FAC also requires sources to be "high quality". It can be difficult to measure primary sources against the criteria given and some judgements have a degree of subjectivity. Personally I avoid primary sources at virtually all costs, even for direct quotes.
 * You have picked a tricky article for your first FAC. It is notoriously difficult to do justice in BLPs to those whose careers are ongoing. Recently there was a fuss as to whether Liz Truss should be allowed on FAC, and she has been an MP for 13 years and has stood down as prime minister. That said, it can be done, eg Mckenna Grace. Plus such individuals usually have limited secondary sources. Skimming Piri, it does a bit give the impression of trying to stretch limited material into a decent article.
 * My serious advice, which you probably won't like, is to review 6 or 8 nominations at FAC, studying the comments of fellow reviewers as you do so. Critically reviewing other people's work will almost certainly have a beneficial impact on your own writing and and it will give you a better understanding of the FAC process. Also, take another 5 or 6 articles to GAN. Again, this will do wonders for your writing and your grasp of the MoS. (I took more than 40 articles to GAN before I nominated my first FAC, but that may have been excessive.)
 * I hope that at least some of this helps. Gog the Mild (talk) 20:17, 10 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks for this. (Most of my articles are biographies; my autism means I write exclusively about special interests, and they are usually people.) There's a few B and C-class articles I've written I could send to GA, might nominate them.-- Laun chba ller 20:42, 10 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I've put in a GOCE request, might go editor to editor while I'm waiting. Would this Tweet be sufficient for a date request?-- Laun <u style="color:#00F">chba <u style="color:#00F">ller 17:03, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I am not on X, so I suspect that what I am seeing is not what you intended. Any chance of posting your proposed message here? Gog the Mild (talk) 19:36, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
 * That is an archived tweet from Piri posted on Saturday 11 March 2023, where she says "acc feels sick to be turning 24 on tuesday and being in the best physical condition i’ve ever been by far".-- <u style="color:#00F">Laun <u style="color:#00F">chba <u style="color:#00F">ller 19:52, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Never mind, found a secondary source anyway.-- <u style="color:#00F">Laun <u style="color:#00F">chba <u style="color:#00F">ller 00:52, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

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In the Aeroplane Over the Sea
I was going to close the nomination earlier but I do appreciate the archive; I'm probably giving up on that article though because it took a toll on my mental health and the three supports followed by the immediate three opposes in one day felt like a bit of a punch in the gut. Darling (talk) 14:35, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
 * No problem. I am not a coordinator so that I can archive nominations, but IMO it needed doing and those suggesting that further work was needed were on the money. But I agree that FAC can be an emotional roller coaster. It gets to me sometimes, and you'd think I had enough under my belt to be over that. It is right that FAC is tough, but that does mean that it is often tough on nominators too, and I don't see an easy way around that. This article is most of the way to FA standard, so I really hoping we shall be seeing it again. Gog the Mild (talk) 18:24, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
 * I'm curious though--would I have significant contributions enough by now or by that point to renominate it? I have sort of less faith with the other nominator due to my concerns that they'll go inactive again, something they seem to have done for every nomination on it. <span style="background-color: #00cccc !important; color: white !important; padding: 2px;">Darling (<span style="color: #00cccc !important; background-color: white; padding: 2px;">talk ) 15:15, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
 * forgot to ping you for this, since it was an old discussion. <span style="background-color: #00cccc !important; color: white !important; padding: 2px;">Darling (talk) 20:33, 23 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I should have picked it up anyway, but I have been away - see below - and missed it. This is just one editor's opinion, but if you sort out the issues identified in the review, and you invite to co-nominate but they decline, then I would be content with you as the sole nominator. Gog the Mild (talk) 16:09, 24 November 2023 (UTC)

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Battle of Neville's Cross
Grateful if you could not just delete something relevant without discussing. The edit had a source, and the age of the source is not a relevant matter as to whether you should delete it. You wouldn't delete citation to Bede's History of the English Church and People because it's 1300 years old! TheDunelmian (talk) 22:39, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
 * WP:BRD applies. You boldly inserted, I appropriately reverted, you may if you wish initiate a discussion on the talk page attempting to gain a consensus for the change. Note that as this is a featured article the Featured article criteria apply as well as the usual Wikipedia criteria; and, possibly, WP:FAOWN. (And I may well delete Bede as a primary source, depending on what text was depending on it.) I note that you don't mention the uncited text, nor my points about the source used being neither Reliable sources nor "high quality"; the emphasis is on the editor wishing to add material to establish that its sourcing clears both of these bars. If it does, I may then wish to look at it against other Wikipedia and FAC policies and criteria. But first things first and I look forward to discussing the merits of the sourcing of the proposed change on the article's talk page. Gog the Mild (talk) 22:56, 20 November 2023 (UTC)
 * TheDunelmian, you now you seem to be edit warring, please don't, it rarely ends well. Read WP:BRD instead and follow it. Thanks. Gog the Mild (talk) 23:01, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

In the Scottish Highlands?
...Consider me suitably jealous. Eddie891 Talk Work 18:16, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Ah, but not yet jealous enough. Friday morning:




 * Well now, I am even more jealous then before! Sounds like a fantastic way to spend a week. I'm sure you become a much better person after taking time like that, puts things into perspective, doesn't it. And I'm sure the pictures don't begin to do it justice, though I'm glad you shared them. Eddie891 Talk Work 19:18, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
 * It wasn't all like that, but those sort of experiences are what one goes for. I had camped in the dark and with the entrance to the tent facing away from the hill, so when I emerged to start the morning's walk (an out and back from the tent) and looked around I was - very pleasantly - surprised by the view. And the weather.
 * If you think that could make a better person of me, you have yet to experience the depths of my intransience. More seriously, it left me noticeably chilled re just about everything. Gog the Mild (talk) 19:30, 21 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Chill... Now that sound much closer to my experience of hiking, most of the time. Eddie891 Talk Work 22:04, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

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I'm invisible?
Are you ghosting me because of my inability to curtsy? (Dammit, I knew that was gonna happen at some point, but seriously my balance would just make me fall over and formality is just not my style.) Or could it be that since my computer crashed and I have had to resort to my old one that the only email address I had for you in it is one you have abandoned? *sigh* I swear I'll try to dust off my kitten heels if it'll help. SusunW (talk) 15:18, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Kitten heels? That should do it. Gog the Mild (talk) 17:08, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Having changed from my outdoor chunklas to my indoor chunklas to skate across the hazards of the freshly wet-mopped floor, I dug into the back of my closet and after much searching retrieved, dusted, and donned said heels. Now "proper" I kindly beg you to check your hotmail for my query of a week ago. (bows in lieu of a curtsy) SusunW (talk) 17:24, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Irresistible! Consider it done. Gog the Mild (talk) 17:48, 13 December 2023 (UTC)
 * So I saw that you fixed a pipe on García. Villain or victim? I honestly don't know and I hope that's clear, as I genuinely tried to balance the sources since there really weren't many that were neutral. I learned a whole lot writing it, but man was it hard trying to dig out the context to make what happened understandable. Wishing you and yours a happy holiday season. SusunW (talk) 13:12, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

Begotten
Hello Gog, just wanted to personally reach out and tell you I have yet to get a response from Ceoil which I believe is currently busy off Wikipiedia at the moment. I have addressed and completed all the issues that they have listed with the article, but am sort of frustrated with the prospect that the FAN might not pass because the reviewer is busy irl to complete the assessment. Stumped as to what should be done if we should wait or something cause the idea of going through another nomination of this article is something I want to avoid after putting so much time into it. Paleface Jack (talk) 00:51, 15 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Well Ceoil is back, even if Wingwatcher's lack of activity continues. My fellow coordinators may well be considering archiving this, so note that a review is ongoing at Talk:Begotten (film). I certainly understand your frustration, but all I can do s give my standard boilerplate - below - on attracting reviewers, although I suspect that you have seen most or all of it before.

"Reviewers are more happy to review articles from people whose name they see on other reviews (although I should say there is definitely no quid pro quo system on FAC). Reviewers are a scarce resource at FAC, unfortunately, and the more you put into the process, the more you are likely to get out. Personally, when browsing the list for an article to review, I am more likely to select one by an editor whom I recognise as a frequent reviewer. Critically reviewing other people's work may also have a beneficial impact on your own writing and your understanding of the FAC process."

"Sometimes placing a polite neutrally phrased request on the talk pages of a few of the more frequent reviewers helps. Or on the talk pages of relevant Wikiprojects. Or of editors you know are interested in the topic of the nomination. Or who have contributed at PR, or assessed at GAN, or edited the article. Sometimes one struggles to get reviews because potential reviewers have read the article and decided that it requires too much work to get up to FA standard. I am not saying this is the case here - I have not read the article - just noting a frequent issue."


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Thank you today for Battle of the Trebia, introduced: "Another article on a battle from the Second Punic War. Yes, I am getting a bit fixated on these; I will probably get bored soon and do something different. Meanwhile, here is Hannibal's first pitched battle against the Romans. A mid-winter battle against an over-confident Roman general turned out about how you might expect." - Thank you also for all your FA work! - I rather manage the one-sentence stories, and liked yesterday's particularly. I wish you a good festive season and a peaceful New Year. -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:28, 23 December 2023 (UTC)

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Your trophy room looked a little empty. A year and a half later, congrats! Usernameunique (talk) 20:46, 29 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Wow! Better late than never. Many thanks Usernameunique, I'll jam it into the cabinet somehow. Gog the Mild (talk) 20:53, 29 December 2023 (UTC)
 * No problem, Gog. I noticed you didn't have the checkmark on the leaderboard, and figured it needed to be rectified. x25 ribbon in 2030? --Usernameunique (talk) 21:22, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Well, that's an aspiration. I tend to work in well-trodden fields, and opportunities to create new articles are infrequent. Ie, 11 out of 63 FAs so far. But I will see what I can do. Gog the Mild (talk) 21:27, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
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Annunciation
Is there a reason to run Memling's Annunciation on 13 February instead of 25 March, the day when the Feast of the Annunciation is celebrated (which was mentioned in previous nominations)? - Happy New Year! -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:41, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

I read further, and now understand that the feast is postponed to the next suitable in Eastertide when it falls in the Holy Week, which it does this year. But if that is a concern, we should perhaps move it the same way, not to February which would mean a very long pregnancy ;) - We could also just wait another year. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:46, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

I tried to keep this question low-key but saw it mentioned on Victoria's talk. It's a question, including the question how far respect for principal editors' wishes goes. I have respect, but wonder what our readers would say if we - for example - presented a Christmas cantata in November. The article is for 25 March, entered by Wehwalt, and that is where I come from. -Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:25, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

Pierre Boulez
Is there a reason to run Pierre Boulez in February 2024, when the centenary of his birth will be 26 March 2025? As the request on WP:TFARP has? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:44, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
 * No. Good spot. I shall swap it out. Thanks. Gog the Mild (talk) 15:46, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

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The term "sellout"
Are you certain? That catches me by surprise; I do have that substantiated in the body, and "compromising of a person's integrity, morality, authenticity, or principles by forgoing the long-term benefits of the collective or group in exchange for personal gain" was what I personally thought I was aiming for. The accusation comes from the classic "leave behind your independent roots to sign with big corporate company" school of thought. Am I wrong for attributing the term "sellout" or "sell-out" to that situation? This might help me going forward.  danny music editor  oops 19:15, 2 January 2024 (UTC)


 * Fair enough, revert me. Apologies, I was probably shooting from the hip. (A bit busy, busy right now.) Gog the Mild (talk) 19:17, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
 * No worries. Just making sure I didn't get something wrong on my end. Cheers. :)  danny music editor  oops 19:18, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Can I take a moment to express my appreciation at how hard you've been working on the project and how great of a team member you were about putting this on the front page? I came out in desperation scrambling to get this done for an anniversary, and you came through and found my work sufficient despite how close I cut it. I am so grateful for your efforts.
 * I see you just took up a position at good and featured topic series, and I can't wait to see what comes from your work there.  danny music editor  oops 01:59, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

Happy New Year, Gog the Mild!
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Happy New Year! Gog the Mild, Have a prosperous, productive and enjoyable New Year, and thanks for your contributions to Wikipedia.

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Send New Year cheer by adding {{subst:Happy New Year fireworks}} to user talk pages.

&mdash; Amakuru (talk) 20:08, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks, and the same to you. I look forward to your nominating Spaghetti Junction at FAC in the coming year. Gog the Mild (talk) 20:21, 5 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Ha, now there's an idea 😊 &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 22:39, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

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Pierre Boulez
Hello Gog the Mild and Happy New Year to you! I've just seen that you've scheduled the Boulez article to be on the main page next month. That's very kind of you, but I was rather hoping that it could be TFA on the centenary of his birth next year, 26 March 2025. There's likely to be a fair amount of general marking of the occasion in terms of concerts and recordings. Any chance of changing the date? Thanks and best wishes. Dmass (talk) 15:52, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Hi and a merry Yuletide to you too. Yes, an excess of enthusiasm on my part. Looking for a last-minute filler for 29 February, Boulez seemed suitably quirky and I omitted to check TFAP. Apologies. I have already pulled it and am copying in, who will be scheduling March. Gog the Mild (talk) 16:02, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Perfect thanks! And just to be clear, it's 26 March 2025. I don't even know if things are scheduled that far in advance, are they? Dmass (talk) 16:08, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Currently the latest entry on Today's featured article/requests/pending is 3 October 2025. M Boulez has already got his slot there booked. Gog the Mild (talk) 16:15, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Fantastic, thank you! Dmass (talk) 16:19, 8 January 2024 (UTC)
 * That sounds fine with me too. Wehwalt (talk) 17:27, 8 January 2024 (UTC)

Next one?
Any objection to my making another nomination at FAC as I await the coin dropping?--Wehwalt (talk) 00:07, 9 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Answered on FAC page for transparency and so the other coordinators know about it. Gog the Mild (talk) 12:45, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

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FTC
Hello, I had sent you a mail a while back. It would be a good idea for someone to start looking at clearing up the backlog at this point. Is there something specific we want to wait for?--<b style="color:purple">N</b><b style="color:teal">Ø</b> 17:18, 12 January 2024 (UTC) I sent an email back two days ago. I shall resend it. Gog the Mild (talk) 17:23, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
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Hello
Hello Gog the Mild. I’d like to bring more automobile articles to FAs, as there’s only five. So I’m currently working on one based on the Chevrolet Volt. Can you check this draft to see if (so far) its prose satisfies FA standards. I’d just like some minor comments and possible feedback so that as I continue this draft, I know that I am doing the correct thing. Warm regards, 750h+ (talk) 18:26, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Done. In brief, the prose is impressively good, but not close to what you will need for FAC; see my more detailed comments on the draft's talk page. Gog the Mild (talk) 20:02, 12 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Much thanks Gog the Mild for these suggestions. It may take a while but I hope to see myself at FAC in a few months or so. 750h+ (talk) 03:01, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

Referencing notes
Hi Gog, thank you for your edit to Seven regarding the footnotes and for, in all the encounters I've had with you, being fair and even handed. I wanted to ask, is there a way to make the note "[note 1]" say something briefer? Like NB1 or something or roman numerals? Or does it have to say "note"? Thanks Darkwarriorblake (talk) 22:48, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Flattery will get you everywhere. I ought to charge for this. Come to think of it, you will be amazed at how many detailed and critical reviews you now owe me. What do you think about what I have done? You can play yourself by referring to Template:Efn. Enjoy. Gog the Mild (talk) 23:02, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
 * I don't mind doing reviews if asked, I don't tend to notice who has nominated because I only really look at ones in areas I'm interested in such as video games and films but I've done a couple for a... singer I think it was and a television star of some description. What you've changed it too is perfect, I just like to keep things neat and small so that works brilliantly. Thank you. Darkwarriorblake (talk) 23:06, 17 January 2024 (UTC)

WP:FAC advice?
Hi, Gog. As you've been both very active in the milhist domain, and have a whole bunch of FAs, I was hoping to pick your brain for a bit of advice. Totally understand if you don't have the time :)I've managed to get a couple of articles to GA level (Einar Mäkinen, Finnish III Corps (Continuation War), Finnish VI Corps (Continuation War), Ryti–Ribbentrop Agreement, Polttoainehankinta), and was hoping for some feedback on whether any of them looked promising enough to push towards FA level. I appreciate that Milhist A-class review is the logical intermediate step and I'm not going to skip it, but I'd hate to spend lot of work on A-classing something that definitely lacks the wings for an eventual FA. If you have any tips or comments, they'd be greatly appreciated!Thanks, Ljleppan (talk) 17:02, 22 January 2024 (UTC)

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William Y. Slack
A draft blurb is here. Feel free to amend as needed; it came in at 998 characters per Google docs. Hog Farm Talk 13:49, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Looks good to me. Thanks. Gog the Mild (talk) 13:54, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

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Grant's canal
TFA blurb draft is at User:Hog Farm/Canal blurb. I need to work the same new source into Duckport Canal and Battle of Grand Gulf as well. It might not hurt to have someone look over the changes to the canal article to make sure I didn't add any spelling errors or "Missouri English". Hog Farm Talk 04:43, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

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TFA
Thank you today for Second War of Scottish Independence, introduced (in 2022): "After six FACs (and three GANs) on episodes from Edward III's war against Scotland I now offer up the overview. This article attempts to summarise the 25 years of the Second War of Scottish Independence. Which probably caused the Hundred Years' War and even ground on for 11 years after Edward captured the Scottish king. What to include, what to leave out, what to summarise down? Oh me, oh my!" -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:05, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for the good placement of Nestor Makhno today! - Listen to music from Ukraine if you like, - I heard it in 2022, and the November concert (at a different church) raised a truckload of winter clothes. My story today is also from my life: I heard the singer in 3 of the 4 mentioned musical items. I sang in yesterday's. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:24, 24 February 2024 (UTC)

more music and flowers on Rossini's rare birthday --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:40, 29 February 2024 (UTC)

WikiCup 2024 February newsletter
The 2024 WikiCup is off to a flying start, with 135 participants. This is the largest number of participants we have seen since 2017.

Our current leader is newcomer, who has one FA on John Littlejohn (preacher) and 10 GAs and 12 DYKs mostly on New Zealand coinage and Inuit figures. Here are some more noteworthy scorers:


 * , with one FA on Hö'elün, two GAs on Mongolia-related articles, and two DYKs;
 * , with one FA on Doom (2016 video game), one GA on Boundary Fire (2017), and 11 reviews;
 * , with one FA on Holidays (Meghan Trainor song), a nine-article FT on 30 (album), and two DYKs;
 * , with one FA on OneShot and one DYK;
 * , with five GAs and five DYKs on television and radio stations;
 * and, both with one FA and one DYK each.

As a reminder, competitors may submit work for the first round until 23:59 (UTC) on 27 February, and the second round starts 1 March. Remember that only the top 64 scoring competitors will make it through to the second round; currently, competitors need at least 15 points to progress. If you are concerned that your nomination will not receive the necessary reviews, and you hope to get it promoted before the end of the round, please list it on WikiCup/Reviews. However, please remember to continue to offer reviews at GAN, FAC and all the other pages that require them to prevent any backlogs which could otherwise be caused by the Cup. As ever, questions are welcome on Wikipedia talk:WikiCup and the judges (,, and ) are reachable on their talk pages. Good luck! If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove your name from WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 17:58, 11 February 2024 (UTC)

Questions about FA process
Hi! You seem like one of the most experienced editors involved in the FA process and I have quite literally no experience. I started Free and Candid Disquisitions last month with an eye towards putting it up as a FAC sometime this monthish. It passed something of an easy GAR, which leaves me with a couple questions: since I'm new to FAC, should I try my hand first at reviewing a couple FACs (or FA-minded peer reviews) before nominating my own work? Additionally, should I request a peer review before putting Free and Candid Disquisitions up as a FAC? No rush on reply! ~ Pbritti (talk) 17:25, 12 February 2024 (UTC)
 * I am a strong believer that reviewing disparate FACs improves ones own writing. Plus a bit of name recognition at FAC helps persuade editors to put the work into PR and FAC to help an article over the line. A lot of first time noms time out for lack of reviewer interest. Taking articles through GAN is also good practice. My standard advice to inexperienced editors is to run 20 or 30 articles through GAN before thinking about FAC. (I did 42.) Meanwhile review 6 or 8 or 10 "straight forward" articles at FAC, staring with a couple of real gimmes. Then one may be ready to put a nomination through FAC. Of course, no one has ever been happy with this suggestions. Sad-tpvgames.gif Definitely it needs a PR. Consider asking people to have a look at it there, especially those whose FAC noms you have reviewed. Gog the Mild (talk) 20:08, 14 February 2024 (UTC)

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History of Christianity
I have been doing lots and lots of research, and I think I now understand what you were all talking about. There's been a paradigm shift in the last twenty years in Middle Ages studies! I had no idea! All the material I referenced was from the old view. I am not a Middle Ages expert, indeed, it is no doubt my weakest area, but I am now learning more about the Middle Ages than I ever wanted to know! I am at the reading and gathering stage right now, but eventually I will throw out what's there and redo the entire section. It will be a better article as a result. It wasn't until you said something that I believed there was a genuine problem and went looking. That's ass backwards, and I just wanted you to know I'm sorry for being such a pain. Jenhawk777 (talk) 15:59, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
 * That's fine Jen; none of us know what we don't know. Kudos to you for listening and taking the other views on board rather than doubling down. I think a problem with that article is that you are going to need to be moderately expert at quite a few areas, but I look forward to seeing the improved article. Gog the Mild (talk) 19:45, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
 * I am discovering exactly that. I am moderately expert in about half of what I need, but then who is expert in all eras of history?! It's been very difficult to write. I appreciate your gracious response. Jenhawk777 (talk) 08:14, 15 February 2024 (UTC)
 * I think I have done everything that was asked by everyone in the peer review. At least, I have attempted to. I got about a dozen new broad "History of..." sources, though they had the same information, it is all now cited differently. I couldn't figure out exactly what kind of bias I was supposed to be indulging in, so I don't know if I fixed that, but I removed all mention of "corruption", leaving only one sentence on the "continued failings of a succession of popes" in hopes that fixed it. I removed the interpretation and evaluation you hated, beefed up the section on Antiquity, and completely rewrote Middle Ages dividing it into two sections instead of one. The article is now 1000 words longer than it was, but it is more comprehensive. I have been working on this article for 2 years now. I am not a Middle Ages scholar, so I am hoping you will be willing to offer some real help by taking a look at it and telling where it might still need improvement. Please. I'll try not to be argumentative. Jenhawk777 (talk) 23:47, 25 February 2024 (UTC)

Battle of La Haye-du-Puits
Gog, what happened to User talk:Gog the Mild/Battle of La Haye-du-Puits? Can it be released? Hawkeye7  (discuss)  06:28, 18 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Hi, unfortunately it went onto my to do list and stayed there. My content creation has been poor recently - I haven't nominated a FAC for nine months. It is here - User:Gog the Mild/Battle of La Haye-du-Puits. Please feel free to publish it. Gog the Mild (talk) 12:55, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

FA review
I have nominated Edward I of England for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets the featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" in regards to the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Jim Killock (talk) 21:28, 20 February 2024 (UTC)

Invitation to join New pages patrol
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FAC Supports
It has been more than a year since I last supported at FAC, but I might be able to make an exception at Capri-Sun -- Guerillero Parlez Moi 22:43, 23 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Carpe diem! The coordinators appreciate it. Gog the Mild (talk) 22:57, 23 February 2024 (UTC)

WikiCup 2024 March newsletter
The first round of the 2024 WikiCup ended at 23:59 (UTC) on 27 February. Everyone with at least 30 points moved on to Round 2, the highest number of points required to advance to the second round since 2014. Due to a six-way tie for the 64th-place spot, 67 contestants have qualified for Round 2.

The following scorers in Round 1 all scored more than 300 points:


 * , who has 916 points mostly from one FA on John Littlejohn (preacher), 15 GAs, and 16 DYKs on a variety of topics including New Zealand coinage and Inuit figures, in addition to seven reviews
 * , who has 790 points from two FAs on Felix M. Warburg House and Doom (2016 video game), two GAs, one DYK, and 11 reviews
 * , who has 580 points from one FA on Hö'elün, two GAs on Mongolia-related articles, two DYKs, and five reviews
 * , who has 420 points mostly from nine GAs and seven DYKs on television and radio stations
 * , who has 351 points from one FA on Holidays (Meghan Trainor song), a nine-article FT on 30 (album), and three DYKs
 * , who has 345 points from one FA on OneShot, one DYK and two reviews

In this newsletter, the judges would like to pay a special tribute to, who unfortunately passed away this February. At the time of his death, he was the second-highest-scoring competitor. Outside the WikiCup, he had eight other featured articles, five A-class articles, eight other good articles, and two Four Awards. Vami also wrote an essay on completionism, a philosophy in which he deeply believed. If you can, please join us in honoring his memory by improving one of the articles on his to-do list.

Remember that any content promoted after 27 February but before the start of Round 2 can be claimed in Round 2. Invitations for collaborative writing efforts or any other discussion of potentially interesting work is always welcome on the WikiCup talk page. Remember, if two or more WikiCup competitors have done significant work on an article, all can claim points. If you are concerned that your nomination—whether it is at good article candidates, a featured process, or anywhere else—will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on WikiCup/Reviews Needed. If you want to help out with the WikiCup, feel free to review one of the nominations listed on Wikipedia:WikiCup/Reviews Needed. Questions are welcome on Wikipedia talk:WikiCup, and the judges are reachable on their talk pages. Good luck! If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove your name from WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 00:40, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

Help?
Okay so what pray tell is St Mark, Granchester? See page 116 for 1976, Obioma Chebechi Okolo. A church?, a parish? something else entirely? Would a registry office have a saint name - possibly in the UK because there is a state religion? I only see a reference to a television show on the University of Cambridge page and in Tunnels in popular culture a reference to Granchester manor. Since you are my resident "British expert" I am positive that you know exactly what this is, because, because, because you're the expert. SusunW (talk) 16:51, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
 * It will be the church where the marriage ceremony took place. Ie, here. Where it says "St Mark’s a daughter church of St Andrew and St Mary, Grantchester". Although "Newnham became an independent parish" in 1918, it will have retained the 'Grantchester' to distinguish it from other St Mark's. That what you needed? Gog the Mild (talk) 18:15, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Er, why are you throwing in mention of a "registry office"? Do you know that they had a civil ceremony, or are you thrown by the mention of a "registrar"? Gog the Mild (talk) 18:19, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Soooo confusing. I would never have gotten there. And basically, it tells me that there isn't a WP article, but I'm confused how I should list it, as St Mark's Church, Granchester (per my source) or Grantchester (per your source) or St Mark's Church Gran(t)chester in Newnham? (And yes, I assumed it was a civil ceremony, which is irrelevant for my article about her. In the US, even if you marry in a church it is always a civil ceremony and the officiant says, by the authority vested in me by the state of X - no such thing as a religious marriage that isn't a civil partnership. I just thought that the registration office might be called St Mark's, like it would be if you married at the St. Louis County Courthouse in Missouri.) Despite that I am still confused about how to show it in the article, I truly appreciate you and your help. SusunW (talk) 18:48, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
 * It is St Mark's Church, Newnham, a red link. Ignore the Grantchester stuff, that is an internal, ecclesiastical, historical holdover. I strongly assume they were married in the church. The fact that this ceremony was then recorded by the civil authorities - ie J B Gray, the local registrar - is something else again, all marriages would be. Gog the Mild (talk) 18:58, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
 * In passing, the Church of St Andrew and St Mary, Grantchester is the inspiration of the well known and famous poem The Old Vicarage, Grantchester, quoted by prime ministers; and the parish is supposed to have the world's highest concentration of Nobel Prize winners. The village inspired a Pink Floyd song. I shall now reread the poem, while sipping a tea. Gog the Mild (talk) 19:05, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Yes, I saw that you gave me a redlink. Appreciate it very much. So happy I could inspire your literary waltz down memory lane with your tea. Who knew my Nigerian parasitologist would have ties to the parish with the "world's highest concentration of Nobel Prize winners". Frankly, I was quite happy just to have found the marriage record which gave her maiden name and which was then confirmed in the records of the university. You're the best! SusunW (talk) 19:25, 28 February 2024 (UTC)

Question
Please, could you take a minute and explain what bias you saw in History of Christianity? I am afraid my understanding might be wrong, and if it is, I might not have fixed it. Thank you. Jenhawk777 (talk) 20:17, 28 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Hi Jenhawk777 and I trust that things are going well in your world. I assume - and hope - that the above is a boilerplate query. I don't think that I ever suggested bias. From memory I did suggest that you may have been over generalising and over simplifying a complex issue (Christianity) over a wide area (Western Europe) and long period (several centuries) based on just one or two sources to the point where summary style became misleading. From your comments seven posts above you seem to broadly accept this. Is there some miscommunication? If so, perhaps you could elaborate and/or specify? Thanks. Gog the Mild (talk) 14:16, 3 March 2024 (UTC)

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My question was old enough I think it got archived. I saw you had responded in my notifications. Thank you. I know you're busy. If there is confusion, I'm sure it's mine. I posted on the Neutral point of view/Noticeboard to see if others agreed with the assertion of bias, and I thought your response was "Of course it's biased." I think now - maybe - you meant a western bias, while I think - maybe - Borsoka meant an anti-Catholic bias. I probably do have the first one but not the second. I am trying to fix both. I am in the process of adding all I can find on the East. I've done Antiquity and am still working in my sandbox on Middle Ages but will have something there soon.

As to the second, in an effort to be concise, I see now that my summary was misleading. I have now divided the section most in question into two sections - High and Late Middle Ages - which shows the transition better and offers multiple causes for decline rather than making it seem as if there was one primary cause.

I am adding sources, but they all say basically the same things. I am including more explanation which hopefully will help with neutrality. At any rate, I wanted to be sure I had responded fully to where you noted the need for improvement. I tried to be sure I took out everything you objected to and anything I could find like it. If there is anything else you see that needs attention, I would be deeply grateful for any and all comments. Your input is invaluable. Jenhawk777 (talk) 17:04, 3 March 2024 (UTC)


 * I can only see CMT at NPV, which I managed to miss and didn't comment on at all. The only article of yours I recall commenting on was HoC at FAC, or maybe PR. So, absent specificity, I assumed you meant that.
 * No need to add lots of sources if they all say the same. But squirrel them away, so if challenged you can establish that what you are repeating the consensus of the HQ RSs, not some HQ outlier. Gog the Mild (talk) 18:36, 3 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Hey if you could, would you go here Good article reassessment/History of Christianity/1 and make a comment? Jenhawk777 (talk) 17:07, 3 March 2024 (UTC)


 * [] but as I look back, it does seem like a continuation of peer review more than a discussion of neutrality. It's moot now anyway. At the reassessment page someone suggested moving this article to History of western Christianity, so I did in hopes that would resolve the conflict over it being western biased. Thank you for all your help.Jenhawk777 (talk) 17:30, 4 March 2024 (UTC)


 * Can I go back to my suggestion at PR? "... run 20 or 30 articles through GAN before thinking about FAC. (I did 42.) Then nominate 6 or 8 or 10 "straight forward" articles at FAC, staring with a couple of real gimmes, ideally in the same broad subject area as the target "complex topic". Then one may be ready to put some real toughies through FAC. Of course, no one has ever been happy with these suggestions." The history of Christianity consists of hundreds, thousands, of sub-articles, sub-sub-articles, sub-sub-sub ... Why not pick one of these, whatever you feel you are strong on (History of Late Medieval Christianity in Western Europe, Nestorianism in south and east Asia during the twelve century, whatever) and work it up to GAN. Then do another. Then another. You will be playing to your strengths, any problems will be much more circumscribed, and you will be getting steady positive reinforcement rather than negative. Only when you are long past ready for it move up to meatier topics (The Reformation, the Coptic Church, dum diversas, whatever). Having done much work on some of the sub-articles you will be already broadly familiar with the sources, the scholarly consensuses and PoVs, and reader, editor and reviewer issues and objections; you should be able to do a fair bit of cut and pasting. Wa da ya think? The ultimate aim would be to come back to HoC with such a fund of knowledge and experience that putting it through FAC is feasible.


 * Another thought - there is no end to them - find a collaborator. Ideally one whose strengths match your weaknesses - which of course is frequently a recipe for not getting on . You seem to be well on top of the sources and thematic/historic development; there must be editors strong on the written and unwritten rules of Wikipedia re GAN (initially you don't need to think about FAC, get the GAs rolling out (an FAC collaborator would be a trickier ask)) whom you wouldn't find too objectionable and who would be willing to split the workload.


 * Any hoo, the best of luck with the Christianity articles, certainly many of them could do with improvement. Gog the Mild (talk) 19:16, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
 * You suggested this some years ago, and while this particular article doesn't reflect that, I have actually tried to comply. While I don't think there are any in this topic area that would be "gimmes", I do acknowledge that there certainly are shorter ones. Perhaps the problem is that once I get ahold of them, they all become long articles...
 * I do not have anywhere near 30 GAs! I have 7. I have not been highly motivated to nominate others, but perhaps you're right and I should pursue that more. At any rate, this is the first article since Biblical criticism that I was willing to suffer through to get FA for it.
 * Fair enough. Stick with it.
 * Does the title change help?
 * Yep. Although it may raise new problems.
 * Apparently it has. It seems impossible to please everyone. Perhaps it is time for me to move on to something else. I have spent 2 years on this article. That's enough. No FA, but at least it is GA - if it survives the reassessment!
 * I am blessed and fortunate enough to have more than one collaborator. They are strong where I am not, and all that produces is a deep and abiding appreciation. Some of the best people I've ever met are on Wikipedia - you included - and they often help me! You are the only FA person I have any contact with though as far as I know. Somehow I doubt that makes you my collaborator however. But I appreciate the good wishes and the good advice. Thanx again. Jenhawk777 (talk) 19:49, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
 * You have been fortunate. I have only had a collaborator for two GANs and 4 FACs. Gog the Mild (talk) 21:48, 4 March 2024 (UTC)

You know what? You are pretty fun! I appreciate the chat. If you ever want me to collaborate on anything, let me know and I will make it first priority. The only thing that could prevent that would be something in real life. And I would explain hopefully... At any rate, I would love to collaborate with you. Jenhawk777 (talk) 00:01, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

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The Bugle: Issue 215, March 2024
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New message from Jo-Jo Eumerus
Greetings, since you did review Guallatiri at FAC I was wondering if you may be interested in Ojos del Salado too. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 08:53, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Hi Jo-Jo, I always keep an eye on your articles and try to chip in a review if they look as if they need it. Mostly because I like to 'reward' nominators who are also frequent reviewers. I have been busy in RL recently and a number of my Wikipedia activities are in arrears. Looking at Ojos, I don't think it needs further general reviews - although the closing coordinator will no doubt give it a quick copy edit. What it needed was a source review. I was girding my loins to take this on, but note that the ever helpful Hawkeye has just jumped in. So, hopefully, you'll be wrapping this one up soon. Gog the Mild (talk) 19:55, 11 March 2024 (UTC)

RFA2024 update: no longer accepting new proposals in phase I
Hey there! This is to let you know that phase I of the 2024 requests for adminship (RfA) review is now no longer accepting new proposals. Lots of proposals remain open for discussion, and the current round of review looks to be on a good track towards making significant progress towards improving RfA's structure and environment. I'd like to give my heartfelt thanks to everyone who has given us their idea for change to make RfA better, and the same to everyone who has given the necessary feedback to improve those ideas. The following proposals remain open for discussion:


 * Proposal 2, initiated by, provides for the addition of a text box at Requests for adminship reminding all editors of our policies and enforcement mechanisms around decorum.
 * Proposals 3 and 3b, initiated by and, respectively, provide for trials of discussion-only periods at RfA. The first would add three extra discussion-only days to the beginning, while the second would convert the first two days to discussion-only.
 * Proposal 5, initiated by, provides for a trial of RfAs without threaded discussion in the voting sections.
 * Proposals 6c and 6d, initiated by, provide for allowing users to be selected as provisional admins for a limited time through various concrete selection criteria and smaller-scale vetting.
 * Proposal 7, initiated by, provides for the "General discussion" section being broken up with section headings.
 * Proposal 9b, initiated by, provides for the requirement that allegations of policy violation be substantiated with appropriate links to where the alleged misconduct occured.
 * Proposals 12c, 21, and 21b, initiated by, , and , respectively, provide for reducing the discretionary zone, which currently extends from 65% to 75%. The first would reduce it 65%–70%, the second would reduce it to 50%–66%, and the third would reduce it to 60%–70%.
 * Proposal 13, initiated by, provides for periodic, privately balloted admin elections.
 * Proposal 14, initiated by, provides for the creation of some minimum suffrage requirements to cast a vote.
 * Proposals 16 and 16c, initiated by and, respectively, provide for community-based admin desysop procedures. 16 would desysop where consensus is established in favor at the administrators' noticeboard; 16c would allow a petition to force reconfirmation.
 * Proposal 16e, initiated by, would extend the recall procedures of 16 to bureaucrats.
 * Proposal 17, initiated by, provides for "on-call" admins and 'crats to monitor RfAs for decorum.
 * Proposal 18, initiated by, provides for lowering the RfB target from 85% to 75%.
 * Proposal 24, initiated by, provides for a more robust alternate version of the optional candidate poll.
 * Proposal 25, initiated by, provides for the requirement that nominees be extended-confirmed in addition to their nominators.
 * Proposal 27, initiated by, provides for the creation of a training course for admin hopefuls, as well as periodic retraining to keep admins from drifting out of sync with community norms.
 * Proposal 28, initiated by, tightens restrictions on multi-part questions.

To read proposals that were closed as unsuccessful, please see Requests for adminship/2024 review/Phase I/Closed proposals. You are cordially invited once again to participate in the open discussions; when phase I ends, phase II will review the outcomes of trial proposals and refine the implementation details of other proposals. Another notification will be sent out when this phase begins, likely with the first successful close of a major proposal. Happy editing! theleekycauldron (talk • she/her), via:

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FAC question
Since you were the FAC coordinator leaving queries on my FAC, I figured I'd ask you if there is anything else that I need to get done for it. There are multiple prose supports and now no opposes, although this is my first FAC, so I'm not sure if there is a set number of supports needed to pass. As for the image and source reviews, neither has been marked as passed or failed, but both reviewers have responded after I addressed their concerns. --  Zoo Blazer  17:21, 15 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Hi, for future reference, this sort of query is better posed on the FAC page, but no big deal. Image and source reviews: yeah, sometimes they can be a bit laconic; I am taking both as passes. The standard reviewing is ticking along well, but is a little thin at the moment for a first time nomination. I've added it to urgents and will ask around for an additional experienced reviewer. The article also also needs a first-timer's source check and I have asked Jo-Jo if they will oblige. (You can pay them back by reviewing an article or two of theirs. Eg Mount Hudson.) So chill for now, you are probably on the home straight and there is nothing that you currently need to be doing. Gog the Mild (talk) 17:49, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

Question re wikiproject status
Hi. do you wish to remain active, as one of the wikiproject coordinators at WikiProject History? Please advise. whatever you prefer is totally fine; I simply wanted to clarify. thanks! Sm8900 (talk) 14:53, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

FAC apology
Hello. I wanted to apologize for my behavior during the FAC for the Buffy the Vampire Slayer: Wrath of the Darkhul King article. I should have taken a step back and a deep breath to clear my head and to try and engage with the conversation in a more productive manner. Aoba47 (talk) 15:53, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Hi, that is very good of you and I appreciate it. I would like to see BtVS:WotDK back at FAC; it was a solid article which seemed not far off passing to me. Take care and keep well. Gog the Mild (talk) 16:12, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your kind response. I hope you take care as well and have a great rest of your week. Aoba47 (talk) 16:39, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

TFA
Thank you today for Battle of New Carthage, introduced: "Another in the seemingly endless series of Second Punic War articles I have been nominating. This one sees a young Publius Cornelius Scipio demonstrating tactical innovation in his first full command – in Iberia. (Readers of my last FAC will recognise him as the man who was to eventually defeat Hannibal and win the war for the Romans.)" -- Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:46, 27 March 2024 (UTC)

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Withdrawing FAR
Dearest editor,

I am inquiring on how to withdraw the FAR of Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie. All the Best! Otuọcha  (talk) 08:46, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Done. Gog the Mild (talk) 13:15, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks! All the Best!  Otuọcha   (talk) 14:05, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

DB9
Hi Gog the Mild. Hope I'm not bugging you or anything but could you possibly leave some comments on this peer review about the Aston Martin DB9 article? Thanks (and don't feel obliged to.) Best,  750h+ &#124;   Talk  18:38, 7 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Hi . Cars aren't really my thing, and I note that it has just gone to FAC anyway. If approaching the three-week mark it is struggling to find reviewers, give me another ping and I may be able to have a look at it. Cheers. Gog the Mild (talk) 14:08, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Oh that's fine, this was for the peer review. Now its at FAC, it should attract more attention.  750h+ &#124;   Talk  14:10, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
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The Bugle: Issue 216, April 2024
The Bugle is published by the Military history WikiProject. To receive it on your talk page, please join the project or sign up here. If you are a project member who does not want delivery, please remove your name from this page. Your editors, Ian Rose (talk) and Nick-D (talk) 23:08, 8 April 2024 (UTC)

Big Raven Formation
Hey Gog, I would like your thoughts about nominating the Big Raven Formation article for FA. I'm not sure if it's too technical for the average reader to understand. <i style="color: red;">Volcano</i><i style="color: black;">guy</i> 16:35, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Hi, I see that you have nominated it anyway. I have a fair bit on, but I will try to fit a review in if I can. Gog the Mild (talk) 14:20, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
 * I decided to nominate it because the GA reviewer (a non-geology expert) said the article was easy enough for them to understand. <i style="color: red;">Volcano</i><i style="color: black;">guy</i> 15:46, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Fine. Hopefully I will get to have a look at it. Gog the Mild (talk) 15:49, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

Mentorship proposal
Dear Gog the Mild, I am writing after stumbling upon your message on the talk page of the article on Markos Botsaris. I am interested in finding a mentor to provide assistance towards my first nomination of an article for the status of Featured Article, namely the article on the battle of Meligalas. I know that you are not listed among those volunteering for the role, but I have already written a message to Peacemaker67 to no avail and I noticed you have successfully nominated numerous articles relating to military history, so I am wondering whether you would be interested in undertaking this role and providing your guidance. Regardless, I send you my regards, Ashmedai 119 (talk) 19:49, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

WikiCup 2024 April newsletter
We are approaching the end of the 2024 WikiCup's second round, with a little over two weeks remaining. Currently, contestants must score at least 105 points to progress to the third round.

Our current top scorers are as follows:


 * with 642 points, mostly from 11 GAs about radio and television;
 * with 530 points, mostly from two FAs (Well he would, wouldn't he? and Cora Agnes Benneson) and three GAs;
 * with 523 points, mostly from 11 GAs about coinage and history;
 * with 497 points, mostly from a FA about the 2020 season of the soccer club Seattle Sounders FC and two GAs;
 * with 410 points, mostly from a FA about the drink Capri-Sun and three GAs;
 * with 330 points, mostly from a FA about the English botanist Anna Blackburne and a GA.

Competitors may submit work for the second round until the end of 28 April, and the third round starts 1 May. Remember that only competitors with the top 32 scores will make it through to the third round. If you are concerned that your nomination will not receive the necessary reviews, and you hope to get it promoted before the end of the round, please list it on WikiCup/Reviews. Please remember to continue to offer reviews at GAN, FAC and all the other pages that require them to prevent any backlogs. As a reminder, competitors are strictly prohibited from gaming Wikipedia policies or processes to receive more points.

If you would like to learn more about rules and scoring for the 2024 WikiCup, please read WikiCup/Scoring. Further questions are welcome on Wikipedia talk:WikiCup and the judges (,, and ) are reachable on their talk pages. Good luck! If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove your name from WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 15:05, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

Pre-FAC
Gog, do you think Battle of Poison Spring is close enough to FA standard to dispense with the A-Class review? Three of the major sources need to go back to the library by May 17 so I'm hoping to get the FAC started sooner rather than later. Hog Farm Talk 03:02, 21 April 2024 (UTC)

New message from Jo-Jo Eumerus
Greetings, just pinging in case you have anything else to add to the comments there. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 07:36, 21 April 2024 (UTC)

Books & Bytes – Issue 62
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Eternal Blue
No offense taken, the notice was nice, but given I received the notice perhaps you would like to know who I am. I've been to FAC before, just not under my current username. I just changed my username a few weeks ago. I'm the same one who repaired Dookie and had it run on the front page a couple months ago. 😛  mftp dan  oops 05:21, 25 April 2024 (UTC)

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WikiCup 2024 May newsletter
The second round of the 2024 WikiCup ended on 28 April. This round was particularly competitive: each of the 32 contestants who advanced to Round 3 scored at least 141 points. This is the highest number of points required to advance to Round 3 since 2014.

The following scorers in Round 2 all scored more than 500 points:
 * with 707 points, mostly from 45 good article nomination reviews and 12 good articless about radio and television;
 * with 600 points, mostly from 12 good articles and 12 did you know nominations about coinage and history;
 * with 552 points, mostly from a featured article about the 2020 Seattle Sounders FC season, three featured lists, and two good articles;
 * with 548 points, mostly from a featured article about the snooker player John Pulman, two featured lists, and one good article;
 * with 530 points, mostly from two featured articles (Well he would, wouldn't he? and Cora Agnes Benneson) and three good articles.

The full scores for Round 2 can be seen here. So far this year, competitors have gotten 18 featured articles, 22 featured lists, and 186 good articles, 76 in the news credits and at least 200 did you know credits. They have conducted 165 featured article reviews, as well as 399 good article reviews and peer reviews, and have added 21 articles to featured topics and good topics.

Remember that any content promoted after 28 April but before the start of Round 3 can be claimed during Round 3, which starts on 1 May at 00:00 (UTC). Invitations for collaborative writing efforts or any other discussion of potentially interesting work is always welcome on the WikiCup talk page. Remember, if two or more WikiCup competitors have done significant work on an article, all can claim points. If you are concerned that your nomination—whether it is at good article candidates, a featured process, or anywhere else—will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on WikiCup/Reviews Needed.

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