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Forcing images sizes
Hi, I reverted your edit to the article on the Battle of Thermopylae ass it left the maps illegible. WP:Accessibility states "When possible, do not force oversizing of images that override the default user preferences. Some users need to configure their systems to display large text; forced large thumbnails can leave little width for text, making reading difficult". However the manual of style also states that

"A picture may benefit from a size other than the default... Examples where adjusting the size may be appropriate include, but are not limited to, the following:... Images containing important detail (for example, a map, diagram, or chart may contain important text that would be unreadable at the default size)"."

- own emphasis added

In this instance, forcing the image size was important. Each image needs to be assessed before the size is decided on. Please bear in mind how the detail of an image will be effected when changing how it is displayed. Happy editing, Nev1 (talk) 21:51, 6 January 2010 (UTC)


 * I don't think they are that much more readable at 300px (which I use as my default), so people will still click on them. But I see no need to oppose your reversal of my change. Cheers, Ingolfson (talk) 22:15, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

Sea Shepherd Conservation Society
Hey there, Thought you might like to know the info about the Australian Government "perceptions" was already in the article just above where you put it! Whoops too late, it's been reverted by another editor already! ;)--220.101.28.25 (talk) 08:23, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Hey there. Where are we at? 220.101.28.25 and you were both doing some work. I also did a major layout change (back to how it was months ago layout wise only and I am on the fence about it) but things are confused now. Can you let me know what you meant and meant not to do? Cptnono (talk) 10:14, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Sea Shepherd Conservation Society/Archives/01/2010

I noticed you had reverted one of my edits to the Sea Shepherd page as part of a larger edit, the section in question was referring to chartered flights out of Australia to search for SS vessels, this was originally tacked onto the end of the section discussing the Australian Governments call for restraint in the wake of the Ady Gil collision. Since the linked source doesn't even mention the Ady Gil collision (was no doubt written prior to the occurrence) I broke it out again and moved it up to just before the collision. I also took some speculative and unsourced wording out of that paragraph. Cheers Raitchison (talk) 18:43, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Nice dude. Some good stuff you are doing.Cptnono (talk) 01:16, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

Article split
Hi, I'd like it if you could weigh in on the article split of the SSCS article, I'm holding off touching anything else there until this is settled so that I don't have to duplicate it in the future and I don't put effort into something that people evidently don't want to have.-- Terrillja talk  03:40, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Comments noted, split again, hopefully this will be more acceptable. For the future, the better way to have handled the ops article would have been to redirect it and then comment it out instead of adding a comment as it was a "live" mainspace page, if someone stumbled across it they would have had no clue what was going on there.-- Terrillja talk  06:01, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

"Minor" edits
Thank you for your contributions. Please remember to mark your edits as "minor" only if they truly are minor edits. In accordance with Help:Minor edit, a minor edit is one that the editor believes requires no review and could never be the subject of a dispute. Minor edits consist of things such as typographical corrections, formatting changes, or rearrangement of text without modification of content. Additionally, the reversion of clear-cut vandalism and test edits may be labeled "minor". —David Levy 08:51, 10 January 2010 (UTC)


 * I am surprised you feel the need to tell me. I rarely mark edits minor to start with, and sometimes it is just a mis-click, anyway. In turn, I do not believe they help much for someone who watchlists things, because he/she will check the edit anyway. Cheers, Ingolfson (talk) 19:01, 10 January 2010 (UTC)


 * I noticed this edit on my watchlist. Upon checking your contribution history, I saw several other substantial edits labeled "minor."
 * As explained at Help:Minor edit, "if you accidentally mark an edit as minor when it was in fact a major edit, you should make a second edit, or dummy edit, noting in the dummy's edit summary that the previous edit was major."
 * Regarding your comment about watchlists, please also note that many users have the "Hide minor edits from the watchlist" option selected. This is one of the main reasons why it's important to not mislabel edits as "minor."  —David Levy 22:41, 10 January 2010 (UTC)


 * You are still making WAY too much of this in my opinion, and the last reason you cite is exactly why a reasonable person checking edits would not flag the 'hide' - if it's that easy to for a vandal to evade detection, why bother? Well, enough of this. Ingolfson (talk) 04:54, 11 January 2010 (UTC)


 * In case you didn't realize, the first message in this thread is from a standard template used by the community for this purpose. You are not being singled out, scolded or punished.  It's merely some helpful advice.
 * If you believe that the community should operate under different standards, you're welcome to propose such. Simply dismissing the community's concerns as unreasonable is not going to fix anything (even if you're correct).  —David Levy 06:16, 11 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Talk, talk talk - how much more time do we waste on this? I did not intentionally do what you warned me off from. Stop bothering already and edit an article. Cheers. Ingolfson (talk) 06:18, 11 January 2010 (UTC)


 * No one is claiming that you intentionally did anything inappropriate. I've merely provided the standard advice on how to prevent and correct such errors.  —David Levy 06:23, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

Ady Gil Page
My bad, I didn't see the template there. Mech4bg (talk) 06:04, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

Infoboxes
Quite often, we seem to be editing the same articles. Naturally, I like what you are working on :) One way you could easily improve 'your' articles is by using infoboxes. Looking through the articles that you have created or have contributed to, the following infoboxes might be useful: Regarding Waikaraka Cycleway, I have yet to find a suitable infobox for pathways that aren't railtrails or inside of urban areas. I hope you find this suggestion useful. Let me know if you want a hand or have any questions that might be easier answered here than you trawling through pages and pages of WP documentation.  Schwede 66  21:30, 20 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Auckland City Hospital would use Template:Infobox hospital
 * Grafton Bridge would use Template:Infobox bridge
 * Myers Park, Auckland would use Template:Infobox Park
 * Port of Mainz would use Template:Infobox Port
 * Smith & Caughey's could use Template:Infobox company (not sure whether that's the most appropriate one - you could have a look whether there's one for department stores, say)


 * Thanks, I know about infoboxes - I created Template:Infobox New Zealand suburbs! I haven't gotten around to rolling that out all over all of the many Auckland suburbs yet (maybe 30-40% at most at the moment) so I guess I'll be a bit slow in updating my other articles. I am also working a lot on Commons sorting and uploading images so I have reduced my work here on Wikipedia a bit (not that it feels like it ;-). Ingolfson (talk) 23:42, 20 January 2010 (UTC)


 * There's me trying to teach you how to suck eggs then. Good template that. I've used it on Christchurch Central City and had planned to roll it out for Christchurch. What's stopping me, though, is that there doesn't seem to be a geographical definition for Christchurch suburbs anywhere, which I find quite astounding.  Schwede 66  23:49, 20 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Auckland has the same problem: city and telecom/post and elections people have some definitions, but no one really agrees. I have decided that making a call here and there is not OR - so I have been using the Google maps definitions instead. Ingolfson (talk) 23:53, 20 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Google maps definitions - what is that? Can you show me an example please?  Schwede 66  04:20, 21 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Okay, maybe "definitions" is too big a word for it. Just using the maps, scroll out far enough that most street names and identifiers disappear - except for the suburbs - and then use that to identify which suburbs lie around suburb X for the template. Ingolfson (talk) 04:22, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

January 2010
Please stop. Continuing to remove maintenance templates from pages on Wikipedia, as you did to Neptune's Navy, without resolving the problem that the template refers to may be considered vandalism. Further edits of this type may result in you being blocked from editing Wikipedia. ''Please see comments on the talk page. I intend taking this matter further if you restore the uncited comments without providing citations.'' AussieLegend (talk) 05:06, 24 January 2010 (UTC)


 * You are amazing. A real bloody legend. Take it further. Please. Exactly that specific case. Ingolfson (talk) 05:07, 24 January 2010 (UTC)


 * For those who might stumble upon this: Above editor complained that a two-line section, which SUMMARISED a section directly beneath it (which was extensively referenced) needed references. I reverted the cite request, made the summary more NPOV, and placed a hidden "references below" tag on it. As seen above, editor comes back, screams vandalism. I have now provided the references. Exactly the same ones which were already provided directly below where they have now been duplicated. Ingolfson (talk) 05:14, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Feel free to remove it. WP:BLANKING Cptnono (talk) 05:20, 24 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Happy to keep this here, not an issue with leaving the discussion out in the open. Any further talk about this should be at Talk:Neptune's Navy, though. Ingolfson (talk) 05:23, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

For the future, could you please add the references to the end of the sentence, adding them in the middle of the sentence mades it hard to read and disjointed.-- Terrillja talk  05:27, 24 January 2010 (UTC)


 * But then people like him will tell me my references are too far away from what I am claiming to reference!!! And in a more serious vein, placing them within paragraphs HAS significant advantages if the contents are rewritten. It can otherwise be bloody hard to find which references referenced what. Ingolfson (talk) 05:28, 24 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm talking about after the sentence, not the paragraph. It can be good if the sentence is rewritten, but otherwise it makes it a pain to read, especially if you have a block of 3 or 4 citations together.-- Terrillja talk  05:34, 24 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Fair enough - I don't mind it much, but I can see your point.Ingolfson (talk) 05:35, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

Animal rights group
Hi! I saw your edit, and I'm proposing that we settle with "Sea Shepherd Conservation Society" instead of "Sea Shepherd animal rights group", since the first seems more accurate and free of controversy (since they repeatedly refuse to be called that way). If not, that's okay, but I'd like to see your thoughts on this. Cheers. Pikolas (talk) 15:55, 24 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Can we clarify what we disagree about first? I assume you are talking about my reinstating of the "animal rights" category to (one, more?) of the articles around SSCS? I'd also be interested in the references about them not wanting to be called that way (they like hyperbole - so maybe they have been saying it in the same sense that Paul Watson says "I'm not a protester, I'm an ACTIVIST!").


 * Finally, we have to discuss whether their own opinion even matters here. If they are called an animal rights group in the press and general public (as they certainly are), then we should keep that tag (and if it quacks like a duck, walks like a duck - and well, bites like an angry swan, it might still be a duck!). I also see no reason not to call them conservationists and animal rights activists both. Their language (why they do this etc...) certainly is in line with that of animal rights activism. Ingolfson (talk) 03:14, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh, sorry for the ambiguity. I meant this edit on the Bob Barker article. I couldn't find the YouTube video where he claims that, unfortunately. He often says that his organization is a lot more like a "law enforcing" and marine conservation society than really animal rights protesters. I don't want to seem biased, but his position does sound more accurate. And by the way, what do you mean by a hyperbole in that case? And yeah, I agree with you it does seem in line with animal rights activism, and they are probably connected to it, but I'm not sure if they're actually in it. Pikolas (talk) 11:33, 25 January 2010 (UTC)


 * I have modified the specific case, because thinking it over, it wasn't really necessary. As for hyperbole, I mean that for PR reasons they often claim things that are not (or not quite) what they are in reality. Overblown. For the sound bite. Cheers, Ingolfson (talk) 05:13, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

Auckland Airport destinations map.
I can understand your reasoning for removing it, but as for the direct London connection. NZ1/NZ2 and NZ38/39 are "direct" one-stop flights via Los Angeles and Hong Kong respectively ;) Sb617 (contribs) 04:24, 26 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Having a stop - whether for refueling or other reasons - is not a direct connection, so I can't really agree with you. Ingolfson (talk) 05:04, 26 January 2010 (UTC)


 * While you may not agree, the Aviation industry disagrees with you altogether. Direct flights like QF1 Sydney to London via Bangkok, or NZ1 Auckland to London via Los Angeles, is still the same flight number, so technically it is still a "direct" flight, regardless if you agree or not.  A connection is where you change planes at a hub and the plane changes flight numbers. Sb617  (contribs) 14:23, 26 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Fair enough, though as the article itself says - this is a term apt for confusion. And the map still has no refs and date. Ingolfson (talk) 21:29, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

Edit warring on SSCS
You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions on a single page within a 24-hour period. Additionally, users who perform several reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. When in dispute with another editor you should first try to discuss controversial changes to work towards wording and content that gains a consensus among editors. Should that prove unsuccessful, you are encouraged to seek dispute resolution, and in some cases it may be appropriate to request page protection. Please stop the disruption, otherwise you may be blocked from editing. You've reverted 3 times in the last few hours despite several editors trying to discuss the issue on the discussion page.


 * Please don't carry edit warring to my talk page. Totally unnecesarry to spam and revert there. --68.41.80.161 (talk) 06:54, 29 January 2010 (UTC)


 * So you can place warnings on my page, yet I cannot warn you about what I consider as potential libel against Watson on yours? I probably should not have reverted your blanking of my warning, true. It's "your" page, anonymous. Ingolfson (talk) 06:59, 29 January 2010 (UTC)


 * You can do whatever you want. But I request as a fellow editor, please try to avoid personal attacks like, "editor is trying to introduce bias" and "Work with = "accept your opinion"". Statements like these do not make it any easier to come to an agreement with you and are clearly not assuming good faith. Please try to chill out. We can disagree, just be cool about it. --68.41.80.161 (talk) 07:27, 29 January 2010 (UTC)


 * You may have a call on the latter comment. However, it is/was my belief when I wrote the comment about "bias" that you were exactly trying to do that. Introduce bias - otherwise I would not get into a fight over it with you! And I had (before the last back-and-forth reverts) explained in quite a bit of detail on the talk page WHY I felt that your reintroduction of the same material, with the same references, was skewing the lede in an inapropriate way. You simply reverted the removal of that disputed phrase - effectively making to keep a contested piece of text in the article for the duration of any further discussion. Ingolfson (talk) 07:36, 29 January 2010 (UTC)


 * In short - I apologise if I lost my cool. Can you in turn try to understand WHY I felt/feel there was bias in your edits, or at least felt that your edits might be read out of context? Ingolfson (talk) 07:39, 29 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I do. The terrorist comment by Watson was not clear, not really well cited and ambiguous to begin with. It should be noted but it cannot be fairly summarized the way I summarized it. Appology accepted and please forgive me for not trying to hear your side sooner. --68.41.80.161 (talk) 18:39, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

And I don't hate your recent edit (still mulling it over but seems good at first glance). Overall I appreciate you going for it. I have a couple thoughts that I will bring up at the related Ady Gil page but nothing earthshaking.Cptnono (talk) 11:07, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

Edit war on photovoltaics
Please address the matter in talk page for photovoltaics ParasiticToxin (talk) 21:31, 13 February 2010 (UTC)


 * I haven't even worked on that article. If you are talking about our little disagreement on photovoltaic array, don't pat yourself on the back and call it an edit war yet, just because we each changed each others edits once each. I could point out the fact that *I* actually added references to the article, while all you did is prefer one criteria of reading the source over another. But just do whatever you like - I don't care enough about that article. Ingolfson (talk) 01:40, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

Lower Merion Laptop Surveillance
Hey, I'm a student at Lower Merion High School. Everyone here has been talking all day about the Blake J. Robbins v. Lower Merion School District lawsuit. You made the Wikipedia article for it, but seeing as you live in NZ, I'm just wondering how you found out about the lawsuit. (You found out about it before we did!) Embokias (talk) 20:03, 18 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Random chance via the Boing Boing blog website. Every now and then, I create these articles on a topic that interests me, even though I have no connection to it. Took me about 10 minutes at most. Ingolfson (talk) 05:05, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

Articles for deletion nomination of Rule 34 of the Internet
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Blake J. Robbins v. Lower Merion School District
Hey, I'm Hunter Kahn. I just wanted to reach out and congratulate you for the shout out the article you created, Blake J. Robbins v. Lower Merion School District, received in the NY Times today! I also wanted to express my admiration for that article, as well as the inclusionist philosophy you outlined on your userpage. Good stuff. I hope you don't mind, but I've nominated the article for DYK, giving you credit as author, of course. Once again, well done! —  Hun ter   Ka  hn  18:33, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

Ady Gil Ops Additions
Hey, thanks for adding the info to that paragraph. You also added a citation needed template...If you go to footnote 155, a copy of the letter presented to the Japanese was on that page, which is a link to a news organization. Would you take a look at it and let me know if you think that another cite is needed? Oberonfitch (talk) 01:10, 20 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Still working, will check in a minute. By the way, I used to do semi-formatted references myself, because I found the official templates so cumbersome. But do you know that by going to "my preferences", and activating "show edit toolbar" and then going to "Gadgets" and activating "reftools", you get a built in little cite button that allows you to bring up a very neat citation template, preformatted for you to just fill in the fields? Ingolfson (talk)


 * No, and thanks for the tip; as you can see, I did the citations repeatedly (irritatingly). Will give that a try.  Oberonfitch (talk) 01:20, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

AR category
Hi Ingolfson, would you mind replacing the Animal rights movement category and removing the activist one? It's there for a reason, namely that not all members can be considered activists. SlimVirgin TALK  contribs 06:41, 23 February 2010 (UTC)


 * You're adding academics as animal rights activists. It's not accurate, and yet it's hard to decide with some of them, which is why we stuck with the movement category. SlimVirgin  TALK  contribs 06:46, 23 February 2010 (UTC)


 * In that case, move those who you are not considering "activists" out of it again, and back into the "animal rights movement" category, or into categories (currently non-existent) like "people associated with animal rights". The fact that there are not always tidy lines between things like "being active for something" and "being an ACTIVIST" does not mean that subcategories become useless or even discouraged. In fact, the animal rights category is a prime example why we need such subcategories. "Animal rights" is so crowded with people articles that it is hard to find the non-people articles. Also, have a look at Category:Activists by issue. There is a whole parent category just for categories like the one I reinstated!!! Ingolfson (talk) 06:49, 23 February 2010 (UTC)


 * An example of how your argument is lacking is found at Frances Power Cobbe where you reverted my change. It says right there in her article's lede that she WAS an aanimal rights activist. She FOUNDED several advocacy groups. The only semi-logical reason I can see for you to revert that move of mine is that for you, "animal rights activism" = "people who break illegally into labs, etc..." - however, that is a way too narrow interpretation. Ingolfson (talk) 06:54, 23 February 2010 (UTC)


 * You will have to start a proposal somewhere if you want that; you can't just move them without discussion, because this has been discussed and decided before. You've moved people into the activists cat who aren't activists. And it's close to impossible with many of them to decide who is. There's no need for yet another AR subcat. We already have ALF, PETA etc. SlimVirgin  TALK  contribs 07:00, 23 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Please do not revert me. It is you who is undoing my work. I've been maintaining this category for years, and you are not meant to use Hotcat that way. It says on the page that this kind of use can be regarded as vandalism. SlimVirgin  TALK  contribs 07:01, 23 February 2010 (UTC)


 * I would respect you for your years of work - except that using "seniority" to block change is about the worst argument you can use it for. I will now seek mediation for your edit warring. There would have been nothing lost from you waiting for a resolution. Ingolfson (talk) 07:18, 23 February 2010 (UTC)


 * On a personal level, it is deplorable that we got at loggerheads like that. I worked a lot on Commons over the last years, and a category like animal rights activism, with tons of material not diffused into subcategories, is a bit of a red flag for me. I hope we can find a reasonable compromise. Ingolfson (talk) 07:48, 23 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Yes, I'm sure we will find a solution. I'm not quite sure why it would be a red flag though. What I want to avoid is any false attempt to impose an activist category on some of them, because it's so unclear and fuzzy, and quite wrong if we apply it retroactively. We would end up getting tied in unnecessary knots. SlimVirgin  TALK  contribs 07:52, 23 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Red flag in the sense of "Ooooohhh, badly maintained category alert! Must take out my tools and cleaning gear and hammer out an appropriate subcategory structure and then sweep it all into the correct boxes. I said I was "Commons"-dominated these last years. I am constantly sorting horrible hodge-podges of sub-categories there. Ingolfson (talk) 08:02, 23 February 2010 (UTC)


 * I don't see how it's a badly maintained category. And it's the sweeping into boxes thing that worries me, because they would be the wrong boxes. Then you would disappear, and I'd be left with the mess to somehow sort out, and then maintain, not to mention the BLP violations. I just can't take on that extra work. SlimVirgin  TALK  contribs 08:10, 23 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Uhm, you do sound as if you are taking this all a bit TOO serious (I know, because I have weaned myself away from that very slowly). I have written some very, very beautiful articles on Wikipedia (like Seacliff Lunatic Asylum - that is probably my best one yet!). And I have created category structures on Commons that are intricate, yet totally logical and sensible (= beautiful). But since they are both on Wikis, they are constantly "under threat" of being changed - vandalised even. One day I will leave anyway (either because I die or lose interest), so they are by default not eternal. If I let that get to me (more than it already does), I would be a nervous wreck. About several hundred (articles) times over.


 * Not saying you have to agree to all I'm saying here, but think about it. Sky doesn't fall if we stop doing something, or if somebody else does something wrong. It's a wiki. Have fun while doing positive things.


 * As for "badly maintained category", it is obviously not so for you. For me, it is a category where it is harder to find something than it would have to be, because so MANY articles are lumped in together. No matter whether I get you to agree to a category like "activists" (I suspect not), could you please consider a category like "People associated with the animal rights movement"? That would be very neutral, and it would allow moving of the biography articles into a subcat. Ingolfson (talk) 08:17, 23 February 2010 (UTC)


 * I wouldn't mind that: animal rights movement (people), perhaps. It's tricky because the movement is the people, really. Often the "groups" are just names that a bunch of people use to do a particular thing; they have no separate existence. One of the problems I find with WP cats and subcats is that they're often so particular, the connections between things get lost, and/or they become harder to find, so they actually end up being less informative. That's something I'd like to try to avoid here. How many entries in your view should be in a category or sub-category before it becomes unwieldy? SlimVirgin  TALK  contribs 08:40, 23 February 2010 (UTC)


 * P.S. I do like Seacliff Lunatic Asylum. It has the potential to be a featured article; an interesting read, nicely written. :) SlimVirgin  TALK  contribs 09:09, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

Hi SL, one thing where you are/were certainly right is that I might suddenly have no time to keep maintaining an article/category, especially as you ARE right that you have a lot of work on animal rights articles, while all I did was work for a month or two on Sea Shepherd related articles... - as for "how many" should go into a subcategory - well at least enough that the main category doesn't need to be over two pages anymore (less than 200 items). More to the point however, I think that there should be a category (like "Animal rights movement (people)") for ALL biography articles except those opposed to animal rights obviously. I do not see the problem with the groups being "just" fronts for these people. Even if I'd take that view - they are still concepts, whereas the biography articles are about, well, people, not concepts. Hope I am making some sense Ingolfson (talk) 03:01, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

Athlete robot
We meet again !! lol :¬)

I didnt know you were a robotics fan - have you joined the Robotics project ?

I just did some work on the ATHLETE then noticed your comment when I went to assess it.

If you are a member of either of the projects I would appreciate your input!

thanks...Chaosdruid (talk) 01:30, 26 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Sorry to disappoint. I am a dedicated jack of all trades, master of none. I only edited anything related to ATHLETE as part of my works to sort out the "Space exploration" categories on Wikimedia Commons. Ingolfson (talk) 03:03, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

SSCS change to lead paragraph
There are proposed changes to the first paragraph that I think are pretty good, but as you have been editing SSCS for awhile, thought you might like to weigh in. Oberonfitch (talk) 02:49, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Kopu Bridge
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Snorkel
Snorkel is the Company, Snorkel aerial work platforms is a little bit big, snorkel snorkelift is the brand name, a skorkel snorkelifts? OR? :o--Sarkana (talk) 14:27, 20 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Hi - based on their website they are called, overall, Snorkel International (see last item at the bottom), so that became the company category which was still missing. The vehicles machines themselves are called snorkelifts, so I am happy with either "snorkel snorkelifts" OR "snorkellifts", but it can't be "snorkellift" (singular). If you would like to change the last part to make it a bit less cumbersome, no problem. Cheers, Ingolfson (talk) 21:01, 20 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Snorkelift is a Brand Name. Is not Plural. No. Never. What follows now? Bison Stematecs? WUMAG elevants. These are not a horde elephants, is a name. It is not a plural. It is not a singular. It is a name. Also Snorkelift is a name. not a Singular.--Sarkana (talk) 23:37, 20 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Please - neither of us two is trying to be difficult here just because we don't immediately come to the same conclusions. We are just working at finding a logical solution.


 * The media we are categorising show aerial work platforms, not brand names. These are machines/vehicles. Therefore they should comply with the plural rule. How about "snorkelift aerial work platforms" then? That would cover the brand name and machines in them. I know you feel it may be a little longer, but it is clear and unambigious. Ingolfson (talk) 00:26, 21 March 2010 (UTC)


 * Plural is good, Category with brand name is easy and logical. Names are known. Brands are easy found - but not possibly always. bad name of brand name is no solution for plural. IMO is awkwardly unnecessary "snorkelift aerial work platforms". However, is a solution. Then existing category can delete, it is unnecessary.--Sarkana (talk) 21:30, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

DYK
Good to see you today. As discussed, Edward Richardson is the article. Would appreciate the copyright links.  Schwede 66  06:17, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

Auckland Meetup 5 on 9 May 2010
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Kitsch article
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Which ton(ne)
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Debate about Red Baron's funeral on Missing man formation
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Probably just an oversight/slip but...
...is there any reason why you categorised this as Southland? :) Grutness...wha?  10:46, 8 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Probably a copy-paste error from when I first created this one and then used it as a quick template. Thanks, Cheers. Ingolfson (talk) 06:20, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

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Suburbs template
Hi there, I haven't seen you in a while; I hope you are well (including the fingers). Templates for discussion/Log/2010 November 1 might interest you, in case you haven't seen it.  Schwede 66  05:13, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok, maybe I should have read the previous talk page item...  Schwede 66  05:14, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

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Nice job
How pleasant to find we had a decent article already on the Pike River mine before the recent accident. I see the article has had over 5000 views in the last day. Thanks for your hard work over many years.- gadfium 02:29, 20 November 2010 (UTC)


 * No problem, thanks for the kind words - I stumbled across this article subject in an engineering society magazine while on one of my "must create new articles" binges ;-) These days I seem to do more over at Wikimedia Commons - but I didn't manage to go down there yet to take some photos, I guess. Ingolfson (talk) 02:57, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

Groups of Traditional Buildings
Hi! I don't feel strongly about this edit, but am just curious what the exact rule is. The subjection only partially contained the article's name, i.e. it was not identical to the article's name. Is this not allowed? In the language of subset and Intersection (set theory), which of the following is allowed and which is not by the MOS? Number 3 is not allowed as far as I understand but what about the first two? Number 2 is the situation which you corrected. bamse (talk) 11:54, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
 * 1) (article name string) ∩ (subsection name string) ≠ ∅
 * 2) (article name string) ⊂ (subsection name string)
 * 3) (article name string) = (subsection name string)

Hello Bamse - set theory is not my strength, and I am too much in a hurry to look it up, sorry - so here's how the rule is (to my understanding) intended to work. The rule is intended to prevent the following (fictional case, and a bit exaggerated, of course):

Wrong
 * 1) Hyperflux capacitators
 * 2) Types of Hyperflux capacitators
 * 3) Ultramarine hyperflux capacitators
 * 4) Criticism of the use of ultramarine hyperflux capacitators
 * 5) Criticism of the use of ultramarine hyperflux capacitators in gender role contexts

Correct
 * 1) Hyperflux capacitators
 * 2) Types
 * 3) Ultramarine
 * 4) Criticisms of use
 * 5) In gender role contexts

Cheers Ingolfson (talk) 20:18, 1 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the reply. I think I got it now. Will try to avoid such in the future. bamse (talk) 20:38, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

Pike River Mine disaster
Hi Ingolfson, what exactly is it you want clarified in this article - I couldn't work it out from your edit. Regards Mattlore (talk) 03:23, 20 December 2010 (UTC)


 * I see little connection to the Rugby Leage - why do they get charity proceeds from that? Sorry, I guess I could have just checked the article... Ingolfson (talk) 06:34, 20 December 2010 (UTC)


 * It's relevant because most of the money raised is being donated directly to the relief fund. I have tried re-wording it: "In a joint partnership between the two teams, the NZRL and NRL, all money raised from the match will be divided between the Pike River mining relief fund and the West Coast Rugby League." Is that better? I have removed the clarify tag but feel free to get back to me or replace the tag if it is still unclear. Mattlore (talk) 21:56, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Parnell Tunnel
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Your edit
You removed names of 21 notable people with this edit to Whangarei, leaving the edit summary "Removing unreferenced names". Nineteen of the names you removed have their own wiki articles. I checked a couple, and see their article says they come from Whangarei. Is that not enough? If not, then you need to remove the (unreferenced) Whangarei connection from their articles, such as Winston Peters. You'll be pretty busy for a long long time if you intend to zap unreferenced hometowns from every bio in Wiki. Perhaps WP:COMMON could be applied here. Moriori (talk) 01:19, 7 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Moriori - if you disagree, reinstate it, I'm not going to edit war over such a minor matter. However, you are incorrect on an important matter: no Wikipedian is responsible for fixing OTHER errors and lack of references that one of their edits to remove an error or lack of reference highlights - so no: I am not required or even ethically responsible to change Winston Peters article, just because my edit highlighted to you or somebody else that his Whangarei origin is unreferenced.


 * Coming back to this specific case - I believe that such lists add little to town articles if they are not referenced, because they tend to proliferate, and because the connection to town x can often be quite tenous (lived there a few months, or grew up there?). So I think the hurdle for adding a name should be a bit higher. Namely providing a reference that clarifies a relevant relationship with the town. This has little to do with whether the person itself is notable (has or should have an article), it's an added matter, but quite relevant. Just think for one moment how the same type of list would look like for Auckland, London or wherever, if such an expectation was casually disregarded. Happy editing Ingolfson (talk) 02:57, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I can see you have a point, but the reason you gave for deletion was that the names were unreferenced. Forgetting that, I don't see how that list of names could compromise that article, or Wikipedia. I hope others give an opinion of whether or not it is desirable for such lists to be included. Cheers. Moriori (talk) 03:17, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Um, I've just seen  Category:Lists of people by U.S. state  which indicates that such lists are ok. Moriori (talk) 03:23, 7 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Sorry, but my explanation above is in my view EXACTLY the same as what I said in my edit summary. Just a lot more wordy here, and maybe I could have used more words there. In my view, material on Wikipedia should be referenced from reliable sources as the CORE criteria of whether or not it should be included. I am not a deletionist, in fact I strongly believe in the Wikipedia is not paper philosophy. And by the way, in this particular case, I would not use words like "compromise that article, or Wikipedia." It doesn't rise to that level (or I might have chosen to resist reinstating the list) - it's a much more gradual thing, which is just part of the daily work on Wikipedia regarding how an article should be improved. Cheers, Ingolfson (talk) 03:26, 7 February 2011 (UTC)


 * In regards to your addition to the comment on Lists of people by US state - precedent is useful, but not the same as agreement or policy. I'd suspect that if people wanted to, they could challenge such lists, and have a fair chance of succeeding. I won't, partially because I have much less problem with such list as SEPARATE entities or categorisation tools, rather than article content (oh, and also because I busier with other things - I am not on a list vendetta). Ingolfson (talk) 03:29, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
 * OK then. You would support me if I removed ALL unreferenced material in Wikipedia? Moriori (talk) 05:19, 7 February 2011 (UTC)


 * All unreferenced material MAY be challenged and removed, that is the policy. What if I DID support your proposal to delete all unreferenced Wikipedcia material? You'd probably delete 1-2% of all *I* have ever written on Wikipedia, so why should I not support it? But you're being facetious now. Do you disagree with the rule regarding the need for referencing? Thought not. So please don't argue that I am being unreasonable - I don't think it of you either. But I am weary of this discussion. Add references to the list, or not. I don't care. Ingolfson (talk) 09:27, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

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NZHPT
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NZTA
Could you please add New Zealand Transport Agency to your watchlist? I don't want to run into problems with WP:3RR. Cheers.  Schwede 66  23:00, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

I don't really do any watchlisting anymore on Wikipedia these days - too much else to do. But I may have the occasional check in the near future. Oh, and 3RR, as far as I would argue, applies not to reverting unexplained removals of sourced content, nor to reverts of anonymous or 1-edit editors, which in all likelihood are the same person anyway. Ingolfson (talk) 05:05, 9 November 2011 (UTC)


 * No trouble, and thanks for the info.  Schwede 66  07:52, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

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I am so shocked!!!
W.T.F you shouldn't cuss cause ofter kids are on this.

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 * Comment spam? On MY WIKIPEDIA? Ingolfson (talk) 04:51, 15 July 2012 (UTC)

Heading vs definition list
You replaced headings with definition lists. Doing so violates semantics of the HTML code, because each time you do a lone ";" like that, a new definition list is started. The term will be placed in a dt tag and the definition itself doesn't exist since you don't have the colon. The definition list then ends since the next line doesn't have any ";" in the beginning. Obviously, this is not the intended semantics, so you should use headings when that is what you want. If the TOC gets too big, you can limit its size. HTML is not only for layout, it is actually primarily for semantics, so it makes little since to misuse it like this. --Ysangkok (talk) 17:38, 14 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Do you seriously think warning me about a 5-year old edit is a good use of your or my time? Ingolfson (talk) 04:51, 15 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Yes, it will improve your future edits. --Ysangkok (talk) 19:41, 19 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Lol. No, it isn't a good use of your time if you spend it that way, digging out ancient changes like that, especially when I have long since stopped doing it, and am not a very active editor anymore (one wonders why!). Concentrate on more important things, or people might start lecturing you when you spell something wrong, to ensure you don't misspell it again. The whole purpose of Wikipedia is to be able to fix minor inconveniences or errors quickly and directly, without such fuss. Rather than going to someone to complain he did it wrong, and the capital of Somethingstan is really called Abudja, rather than Abudjha. Wikipedia has MUCH BIGGER ISSUES. Ingolfson (talk) 21:48, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

3D printed firearms
I've reverted your additions here - not because I don't think they're a point worth discussing, or because they're a point worth adding in the future, but just because the article you cited is poorly-written nonsense. No firearm has yet been made by 3D printing. No firearm is likely to be made by 3D printing with ABS plastic. This news article is scaremongering.

The broader issue is a real one and perhaps the 3D print article needs to cover it. But this coverage shouldn't use a news article this bad as its basis. Andy Dingley (talk) 10:23, 30 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Look, I am not an expert on this, and you obviously claim to be (more of) one. But I still think it's a bit casual to simply remove something that you think is poorly written or sourced - the story has been taken up by a number of other outlets (admittedly most using the same material without other material), and written up, amongst other places, in this Forbes editorial . So the discussion is certainly real, the gun possibly so, and you should not delete the item in my view - instead, if you disagree with the technical background, you should rewrite the claims to be less "scaremongering", or cite contrary sources. In fact, the Forbes article seems to provide just enough of the context needed for you to adjust the article section to be more factual. Ingolfson (talk) 11:24, 30 July 2012 (UTC)


 * The Forbes article is certainly better, but even that one has awful writing in it like "So, can you print a gun? Yep, you can and that’s exactly what somebody with the alias “HaveBlue” did." followed up by "To be accurate, HaveBlue didn’t ". That's the sort of feeble backing-down I expect from my kid, not from a real journalist.
 * A 3D printer is no route to firearms. No more than carving one out of wood. Yes, you can make some components this way, but not crucial pressure-resistant components like barrels, chambers or bolts.
 * I'm no expert on AR15s or on US gun laws. I can't even judge Doctorow's statement "the lower receiver is the one and only component requiring a background check". It appears somewhat odd to me that the AR15 has its serial number (a legally important feature) stamped into its lower receiver (a relatively simple non pressure-resistant component) rather than its upper receiver, which is more the "core" of the weapon. The focus on 3D printing the lower receiver (of the few important parts that are printable) rather than the upper means that this story isn't "Make a gun by 3D printing" but is more accurately "Break the letter of the law by making a legally restricted non-gun by 3D printing". As the organiser of steampunk events, I actually care a great deal about this - I don't want our innocent fantasists making a Section 5 firearm with two tin cans and a tie-wrap (actually quite easy to do, obviously illegal, yet completely farcical as a threat to public order).
 * It's an important aspect that 3D printing et al. can make weapons that are otherwise controlled by various laws. In much the same way, kitchen shops (and a cheap supermarket chain found in near-every UK town) are now selling cheap ceramic kitchen knives that are concealable and aren't detected by metal detectors. We might well discuss these. We might even produce a good article on the broad topic in isolation. Yet we shouldn't just start recycling bad scaremongering when it's so obviously inaccurate. We might note this ruckus in the article, but that needs to be broader and to highlight the erroneous scaremongering, not just repeat it. Andy Dingley (talk) 11:45, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

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Edit
I understand where you are coming from with this edit. That would have been my first instinct. But the form you revised it from did in fact reflect more accurately the RS source. And, perhaps simple gunpowder is more easily had than you or I realize.--Epeefleche (talk) 11:01, 20 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Fair enough. Apologies for not checking the source on this. Ingolfson (talk) 11:05, 20 April 2013 (UTC)
 * No worries. As I said, my instinct would at first have matched yours.--Epeefleche (talk) 11:10, 20 April 2013 (UTC)

Endeans Building
Hello my friend, I've written an article about John Endean and if you happen to be in town on a nice day, I'd appreciate if you could take a nice photo of the Endeans Building.  Schwede 66  22:35, 18 July 2013 (UTC)


 * I have some reasonably crappy ones already, but presume you aren't interested in those ;-) Will keep it in mind next time I am over there. Ingolfson (talk) 09:18, 21 July 2013 (UTC)

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