User talk:Jonesey95/Archive2024

Happy New Year, Jonesey95!


Happy New Year! Jonesey95, Have a prosperous, productive and enjoyable New Year, and thanks for your contributions to Wikipedia.

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I'm stuck
Well, I almost knocked off another set before the new year came in, but four errors in Table tag to be deleted (User Talk) are beyond me, and I can't go further. User talk:Icelandic Hurricane/February Archive (2x). No idea. While I understand how their menu comes in, I get lost with the infoboxes behavior and they wig out when I do things to fix the table errors and I've given it enough tries in preview. User talk:JoeNMLC I'm not really "stuck" on how to fix, he just reverted me as he didn't like how something moved a little bit, so I don't want to go back in. User talk:Fyunck(click)/Archive 9 Not fully sure what's going on. I'm tempted to  that table it since it seems more a discussion on how to do a size change rather than showing the size change.

All yours if you want them.

Happy New Year! Zinnober9 (talk) 07:34, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
 * I fixed the first and the third pages. The first one still has two pairs of mismatched div tags that may have been created in my edit, but the page displays much better and I ran out of energy. If you can fix them, be my guest. I made a minor edit to the middle page that did change the display a bit, so we'll see how that goes over. – Jonesey95 (talk) 14:14, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
 * A couple of mismatched divs is fine given all the busy syntax on that page. Thank you greatly.
 * Hope so, thanks.
 * ????? That was what I tried first, but the table didn't appear and Linter said it was missing a bold tag, so it didn't feel right given I wasn't familiar with lsth (and doing | which fixed it from linter's perspective felt wrong). No bold issue today for some reason and the table displays, so guessing when I tried it the called table was broken and missing a bold. I can't explain it. Thank you. Zinnober9 (talk) 18:03, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Re Roger Federer and #lsth, yeah, that's pretty obscure. It is transcluding a section of an article. I went to the article and fixed the two Linter errors it had. One of those errors was being transcluded on the talk page, so it got fixed there automatically. In general, when I come across a Linter error that I really don't get, I leave it for others. You did the right thing by asking for help instead of applying a workaround. – Jonesey95 (talk) 18:37, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

Cleanup request
Happy New Year! I was wondering if you might be able to help with a bit of post-page move cleanup based on this discussion. I am also looking for a bit of help here with Template:Article history and ClueBot archiving, if you're familiar with either. If not interested, no worries! Just seeking help someone a more technically inclined editor than myself. Happy editing! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 20:32, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
 * This is not my main area of expertise, so I didn't do things in the most elegant way, but I think I have fixed everything. If not, contact me again. – Jonesey95 (talk) 21:40, 1 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 21:47, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Non-free biographical images published in 1925


A tag has been placed on Category:Non-free biographical images published in 1925 indicating that it is currently empty, and is not a disambiguation category, a category redirect, a featured topics category, under discussion at Categories for discussion, or a project category that by its nature may become empty on occasion. If it remains empty for seven days or more, it may be deleted under section C1 of the criteria for speedy deletion.

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Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Non-free biographical images published in 1927


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Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Biographical images published in 1920


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Nomination for deletion of Template:Constitutional law of Wales/doc
Template:Constitutional law of Wales/doc has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the entry on the Templates for discussion page. Gonnym (talk) 13:16, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

Clean-Up of Article
@Jonesey95, Thank you for your encouragement and offer to clean up my article on Bobbie R. Allen. I understand your cautioning me about COI and have been conscious about providing citations throughout the article. I'm complete except for a document to be provided from the Harry S. Truman library and your comments and edits are much appreciated! Wdallen49 (talk) 14:06, 9 January 2024 (UTC)

"or from Wikipedia's Visual Editor"
Is there a way to clarify that a bit? I don't use VE, so I'm not certain exactly under what circumstances this might happen. Might be worth covering in a footnote rather than directly inline in the guideline text. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  04:53, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Link please. I make a lot of edits. – Jonesey95 (talk) 05:26, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

Use of small tags in infoboxes & templates
I've seen that from time to time you remove  tags from infoboxes and templates citing MOS:FONTSIZE. For example here. Do you remove them on sight, or only when you feel the resulting text is just too small? There are hundreds of pages using small tags in Speciesbox and related templates, for example Suberites ficus. Should I be removing small tags from those templates? —Bruce1eetalk 11:20, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
 * I remove small tags when the resulting text is too small, i.e. below 85% of the default body text font size. The default text size in navboxes and infoboxes is 88%, so adding small tags is invalid (except in some title parameters in infoboxes, which are larger than the default). As far as I know, Speciesbox has a default font size of 100%, so using small tags and templates inside that template is fine. Your browser should have a "Developer Tools" or similar menu that allows you to inspect the actual font size of rendered text and compare it to the default body font size in a rendered article. This size will vary depending on your computer and browser settings, but in general, rendered text should not go below 85% of the default body font size. – Jonesey95 (talk) 14:54, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the explanation. I'm using Firefox and it has a "Web Developer Tools" menu, but I need to play around with it first to see how it works. —Bruce1eetalk 17:33, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Click the little arrow in a box on the far left, then click on an element in the page. Then go to the Computed tab on the right side of the very busy toolbar and look for "font-size". Click first on normal body prose text to see your browser's normal font size for Wikipedia pages. Then click on some infobox text, and you should see a font-size number that calculates to 88% of the body prose size. The hardest part is clicking on the element that you want, since every page is a bunch of nested elements and you might not be able to click on exactly the one you want. If you get close, you may be able to click on the item you want in the left side of the toolbox, where it shows the HTML for the page. – Jonesey95 (talk) 18:05, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
 * I tried this on Draft:2024 Auburn Tigers baseball team. Clicking on the normal body prose gives a font-size of 14px in the Computed tab. Clicking on "Jacksonville, FL" in the 5th row of the table gives a font-size of 10.7398px. If the normal text is 100%, then the reduced text would be about 76%, noting that the table font-size has already been reduced to 95%. Since the small text (Jacksonville, FL) is below 85%, the small tags should be removed. Am I on the right track? Also, is there a way to get it to show the font-size in percent, rather pixels? —Bruce1eetalk 23:57, 13 January 2024 (UTC)
 * When a table uses both "font-size:95%" (or anything less than 100%) and  tags, I usually just remove the "font-size:95%" declaration from the table's style rather than mess with a bunch of small tags. Other editors may choose a different path. – Jonesey95 (talk) 02:09, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
 * I think I've got it now. That the tool gives the font-sizes in pixels isn't a problem. Since the default font-size shows as 14px, which is 100%, the threshold of 85% is 11.9px. So any text lower than 11.9px should be questioned. Thanks for all your help with this. —Bruce1eetalk 08:00, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

Check for unknown parameters
You were right about Template talk:Paid contributions.

Why you reverted Check for unknown parameters that I added to templates?

,, , , , , , ?

Why  cause that infobox to break? Like. This code exists in almost all templates:, , , and.

On your edits you said refer to editor's talk page. But you don't mention any technical reason. Why the code is not working? Have you ever tried it? Shkuru Afshar (talk) 08:18, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

What is the difference between

and

? Shkuru Afshar (talk) 10:50, 18 January 2024 (UTC)
 * I responded on your talk page, per WP:TALKFORK. Neither of the above invocations is valid. – Jonesey95 (talk) 13:54, 18 January 2024 (UTC)

Copy Editing Template Removal
Hi! I noticed that you added a copy editing maintenance template to the 1980 Summer Olympics closing ceremony page. I, along with a couple of other users, have edited the page. Any objection to having the copy editing template removed now? Thanks! AzureDumortierite (talk) 19:58, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
 * You did a great job. I have provided a few more edits and removed the tag. – Jonesey95 (talk) 22:02, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you so much! AzureDumortierite (talk) 22:19, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

‎Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Albums
Hello there. Would you like to take a look at the recent discussion for track listing template? If you have time, your comments are always appreciated. 2001:D08:2910:679D:17AC:38B:3C2:6BDA (talk) 09:20, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
 * There is already consensus in the discussion that the whole thing is a waste of everyone's time. I do not think that anything I could contribute there would improve the discussion. It would just be wasting more time, including my own. – Jonesey95 (talk) 18:18, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

Template query
Hello, Jonesey95,

A very new editor created Template:Draft-stub and I'm thinking that it was just a cut and paste of an existing template. Does it look familiar? If so, I don't know whether it should go to WP:TFD or turned into a redirect. What do you think? Thanks! Liz Read! Talk! 20:34, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
 * That's a weird one. I'm not a stub expert, but I sent it to XFD via Twinkle. – Jonesey95 (talk) 22:29, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Articles containing Juǀ'hoan-language text


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Suggestion from an Actual Copy Editor
Remove the unaccountable apostrophe from "Indigo Girls" (in item two under "Articles I have created"). SteGenevieve (talk) 19:05, 24 January 2024 (UTC)
 * You mean the possessive apostrophe? I'm happy with it, thanks, unless there is some WP guideline, WP policy, or external usage manual you would care to point to that would help me understand your concern. Happy editing! P.S. I am honored that you chose my talk page for your twentieth edit. – Jonesey95 (talk) 20:41, 24 January 2024 (UTC)

ASCII art?
Uh, I am okay, what do you mean by this? jp×g🗯️ 11:56, 27 January 2024 (UTC)


 * I will admit the colors are not particularly inspired but it looks basically acceptable to me for a technical page :( Signpost ascii 2024-01.png <b style="font-family: monospace; color:#E35BD8"><b style="color:#029D74">jp</b>×<b style="color: #029D74">g</b>🗯️</b> 11:58, 27 January 2024 (UTC)
 * It looks great for a User page. – Jonesey95 (talk) 12:45, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

January 27
Thank you for editing my user space. I honestly forgot I even created this page, but thank you for changing it and it gave me a great tip! <3 Ansony89  Talk  18:48, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

Introduction to contentious topics
— Red-tailed hawk  (nest) 19:36, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Please link to the edit in question. I make minor edits to many pages daily. – Jonesey95 (talk) 19:48, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Jonesey, see Special:Contributions/Red-tailed hawk. It appears that has been posting that message to large numbers of user talk pages, possibly indiscriminately. -- Red rose64 &#x1f339; (talk) 20:00, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the link., I do not find the above message helpful, since it provides no context and does not help me find the edit in question to know whether I should be concerned. Even though the above message says that it "does not imply that there are any issues with your editing", the mere presence of the message presents that implication. The "topic" called "post-1992 politics of the United States and closely related people" must comprise thousands, perhaps even tens of thousands of articles; are you saying that if I fix a syntax error in such an article, that edit is treated or viewed differently from the thousands of other error fixes that I make on a monthly basis? That seems like a dubious premise, or maybe I misunderstand. – Jonesey95 (talk) 20:06, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
 * No; if you fix syntax errors in those articles and continue to make good edits (like those hundreds of thousands of gnomish edits that you have made), that isn't viewed differently. — Red-tailed hawk  (nest) 20:08, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
 * This seems contrary to assuming good faith to me. You should assume that I will continue to make good edits, just as I assume that you will make good edits, unless there is evidence to contradict that assumption. The above warning message should not be necessary unless an editor is making questionable edits. – Jonesey95 (talk) 20:16, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Again, not a warning message, and the instructions at WP:CTOP and Alert/first don't assume fault here. In any case, I continue to believe that you will be a productive editor; I don't see where I'm stating otherwise. — Red-tailed hawk  (nest) 20:23, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Hello. Again, as noted above, the notification does not imply anything wrong with your edits. It's just a notification that you've edited a page related to Post-1992 U.S. politics, and something you should be aware of, even if edits in the area are minor. The notification of a good number of editors comes after an AN thread where additional admin eyes on the topic area were requested. Admittedly, it would have been better to do this as new editors came in, rather than all at once, but I had been a bit too busy to track that. — Red-tailed hawk  (nest) 20:07, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Please link to the edit in question. Thanks. – Jonesey95 (talk) 20:08, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
 * The edit you made at Standoff at Eagle Pass (here) was a gnomish edit (albeit not marked as minor). I'm not sure where the confusion here is. — Red-tailed hawk  (nest) 20:10, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
 * The confusion is that the edit I made was clearly productive and harmless, and had a clear edit summary, and yet I received the above scary-looking warning message. The message says that it is not a warning, but it clearly is. I just don't see the value to anyone of posting that notification here based on the content of my edit. – Jonesey95 (talk) 20:14, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
 * I understand why the formatting, etc. might come off as a warning at first glance, but I can assure you that this isn't a warning; the template is regularly given to productive editors; it's merely making one aware of the existence of the whole WP:CTOP system and how it interacts with American Politics. — Red-tailed hawk  (nest) 20:20, 28 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Wow, what a nest of confusion. This is why I try to stay away from drama in nearly all of its forms here on Wikipedia. I'll go back to my gnoming. I encourage you to limit your delivery of the above message to editors who make substantive edits to the prose or references of articles and ignore editors who make gnomish, productive, or otherwise harmless edits. As you can see, it just stirs up concern when misapplied. – Jonesey95 (talk) 20:31, 28 January 2024 (UTC)

Vector 2022 stylesheet question
Hi Jonesey95, I saw your stylesheet changes to reduce blank spaces on the page, but it goes a bit too far for me. I'm just hoping to reduce the amount of blank space to the right of the pinned tools menu and expand the article width by a corresponding amount, maybe 40px at a time until it seems too wide. I don't want to reduce the amount of blank space on the left. Is there some minimal set of common.css changes that would do that? I have been unable to figure this out. (I have "Enable limited width mode" checked in my preferences and I don't toggle to use full width. My screen is 1440x900 if that matters.) Thanks! Daniel Quinlan (talk) 06:39, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Have you tried the section of my common.css that is preceded by the comment "Vector 2022: Fix excessive padding when page tools are in the right sidebar"? You might also want the section after "Vector 2022: Fix font size of items in Tools (formerly More) drop-down menu". Basically, I used my browser's Tools/Inspector feature to point at different parts of the page to identify the CSS selectors that they used, then adjusted my common.css to try to shrink or otherwise change those sections. – Jonesey95 (talk) 14:58, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the reply. I didn't want to reduce the font size, but I finally found a for the method I'm using. One or two more lines were needed in .mw-body in addition to the grid-template. Daniel Quinlan (talk) 22:28, 4 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Nicely done. The CSS selectors sometimes change, so be aware that you may need to update the code occasionally. – Jonesey95 (talk) 22:31, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:Year in Wales/doc
Template:Year in Wales/doc has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the entry on the Templates for discussion page. Frietjes (talk) 19:36, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

TPE
Since it sounds from the template talk page that you will not be following through, I thought I'd get your thoughts on me filing review of our mutual acquaintance's conduct at AN, with the view to potentially pull their TPE access. You and I both suffered through the marriage nonsense, but is that enough to merit removal? Some of their responses in this last discussion would lead me to pull any other TPE's access, but since I'm involved I'm trying to be a bit more cautious in proceeding. Primefac (talk) 12:43, 6 February 2024 (UTC)
 * I strongly support removal of template editor for them. They keep doing the same thing over and over again: making far too many edits to live templates that are widely transcluded, doing so before and during discussions, making errors, not acknowledging that the behavior is disruptive, and then doing it again. It's not appropriate behavior for a TE. The editor will still be able to edit the sandbox and testcases and documentation if they want to improve templates. – Jonesey95 (talk) 15:42, 6 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Posted: WP:AN. Primefac (talk) 16:20, 6 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Thank you,, for your posting to AN. I try to stay away from AN and ANI boards, having had a few bad experiences there, and from drama in general. I always appreciate the editors who are willing to take the time to make valid reports on those boards. – Jonesey95 (talk) 20:45, 6 February 2024 (UTC)
 * I'm deeply sorry for any disruption my actions may have caused. Reflecting on the marriage situation and the recent discussions, I ought to have been more cautious and collaborative in my approach. My intentions were always to contribute positively but I readily acknowledge that my methods weren't the most effective. I will commit myself to being more mindful and consulting with fellow editors before undertaking significant changes in the future. Regarding the review of TPE access, I respect the process and trust in the community's judgment to decide the appropriate course of action. On a personal note, I'm grateful to you, Jonesey, for the way you have conducted yourself over these past several years, and I believe you've helped me become a better template editor, even as there's still much I need and will endeavour to learn. &#8209;&#8209;Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 17:10, 6 February 2024 (UTC)

Template:Designation request
Hi Joonsey,

Is it possible if you can add capital letters to the new designation? It kinda looks weird without. Thanks! <b style="color:white">Daftation</b> <b style="color:white">🗩</b> <b style="color:white">🖉</b> 16:07, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
 * The links to the new China-related article and category use the capitalization for those pages. If you think those pages should have different capitalization, suggest that at their talk pages. Or do I misunderstand your request? – Jonesey95 (talk) 16:28, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
 * I was talking about the new designation for Major cultural heritage sites under national-level protection in Template:Designation. You didn't capitalize the letters, and also the name should be Major Historical and Cultural Site Protected at the National Level, not the one on the Wikipedia page, which I believe is a translation error (see File:Protection signs of buildings on the Bund, 2019-10-18 01.jpg). Also, the number of protected subjects is known, not unknown. It should be 5,058. Is it also possible if you can apply the colour of the background and border that I requested? They are both Chinese traditional colours and picked by me. My original request and code is at Template talk:Designation, and should be the most recent topic. Thank you and sorry for the inconvenience. <b style="color:white">Daftation</b> <b style="color:white">🗩</b> <b style="color:white">🖉</b> 17:14, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
 * As far as I can tell, the code in the templates is the same as the code you requested, except for the typo I fixed. If you have suggestions for changes, or if you see errors, you can make changes in the template's sandbox and view them on the testcases page. You can also edit the documentation page. I recommend that any further discussion happen at Template talk:Designation, not here. – Jonesey95 (talk) 18:05, 7 February 2024 (UTC)

Annual report notes
Hi Jonesey; re your notes on the GOCE annual report here, the figures you flagged as possibly inaccurate are for requests submitted from 1 January to 31 December, inclusive. The figures above that line refer to those processed from 1 Jan to 31 Dec, inclusive. The percentage you flagged in the header refers to these stats (I've now corrected the latter point). Does this make sense or am I wrong? Math(s) was never my strong point!

Also, what to do about the unwritten "Closing words" section? Would you or Miniapolis like to write some closing text? If no-one's bothered, I can remove it before sending. I don't want to tread on any toes, particularly those of the Lede Coord, which is partly why I've left the report alone for a week. But if I leave it too long, nothing gets sent out, which is sad. Thanks for your input there, btw. :) Cheers,  Baffle☿gab  06:22, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

Template:Peso
"Not guilty, your honour". A category was removed in the edit preceding mine; all I did was change the template. Mattythewhite (talk) 17:51, 8 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Motion denied (or some other legalism). The /doc subpage contains a category, which is the normal place for template categories to live. When you stopped transcluding it, the template page no longer had a category. I'm fine with your edit; just remember to move the category to the template page (inside the noinclude tags). – Jonesey95 (talk) 18:21, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

Template:CSS image crop/Sandbox
For the record, all that was was me trying to figure out - by looking at the differing source code between the mobile and non-mobile sites - why they acted differently. Ended in figuring it out and finding this fix, which fixed the bug. Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 8.8% of all FPs. 20:19, 8 February 2024 (UTC)
 * I'm glad you found that fix. If you scroll up on the page, you can see that I worked on a fix in 2022 and made some progress, but if you have fixed it the rest of the way, that is super. – Jonesey95 (talk) 21:28, 8 February 2024 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure it's the most efficient fix: I wasn't sure if the first div that only exists if Location=center was actually necessary after the change (it even adds a &lt;/div&gt; at the bottom only if Location=center to accomodate it), but just in case that was fixing some other use case, I went with the minimal change. Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 8.8% of all FPs. 22:58, 8 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Smart. – Jonesey95 (talk) 00:30, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
 * By the way, what do you think of my new template for making CSS image crop a little easier to use, Easy CSS image crop. It doesn't do Annotated Image stuff, but that's pretty advanced and rare functionality, and I don't really want to have to learn enough Lua string handling to make Module:ImageRatio work with an annotated image as the input. I'd imagine something like |[%s]*image[%s]*=.[|}] since it returns the shortest match, and then strip everything before the = from that, but ugh. And I'm not sure if I even escaped the | or } correctly. Adam Cuerden (talk)Has about 8.8% of all FPs. 06:48, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
 * I saw the discussion, but I don't do advanced work with images much. – Jonesey95 (talk) 14:46, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

About the 2024 Emperor's Cup edit summary
About the broken syntax, i copied it from the earlier versions of the (section about the participating clubs in the) 2023 Emperor's Cup i retrieved by accident. After further inspection, i believe this mistake was corrected by someone else after i didn't took notice of the "coding error" (i don't know the right term), as the syntax does not present any error in the current version of the (section of) article. I don't think it damaged the article from a visual perspective, though, so i'm relieved. SoftReverie (talk) 01:56, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the note. I have seen this syntax more than once, so I figured it was being copied from somewhere. There are still more than 80,000 "missing end tag" errors in articles, of which this was one. Once they are all fixed, there shouldn't be anywhere for editors to copy from, at least in article space. – Jonesey95 (talk) 14:53, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

Query
Hello, Jonesey95,

What do you think Template:Nearest meighbour for whole page/style.css is for? Misspelling? I also don't understand how this editor moved this template without leaving a redirect. That usually only happens if the editor is a Page Mover. But since you know so much about templates (and when pages are mistakenly placed in Template space), I thought you might know. I just happened to spot it on the Move log. Thanks. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 22:15, 7 February 2024 (UTC)
 * I have sorted it, I think. When I moved the .css page to the correct name, I noticed that "Leave a redirect behind" is grayed out, as is the checkbox to the left of that option. My wild guess is that CSS pages can't be redirects or targets of redirects, so the normal page mover rights do not apply. A bigger WP CSS nerd than I, like or, might know something like that. – Jonesey95 (talk) 05:41, 8 February 2024 (UTC)
 * CSS files - including those in user space - must be valid CSS as defined in the various CSS specs. There is no concept of redirection in those standards. What they do have is the ability to import one CSS file in another, and I do this at User:Redrose64/common.css - it's the very first line. -- Red rose64 &#x1f339; (talk) 21:28, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Bolivian Stock Exchange


A tag has been placed on Category:Bolivian Stock Exchange indicating that it is currently empty, and is not a disambiguation category, a category redirect, a featured topics category, under discussion at Categories for discussion, or a project category that by its nature may become empty on occasion. If it remains empty for seven days or more, it may be deleted under section C1 of the criteria for speedy deletion.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and removing the speedy deletion tag. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 01:21, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

Intro/interlude as uncredited songwriters/producers
Hi @Jonesey95. There's recent discussion about for suggesting leave blanking only for intro/interlude as uncredited songwriters/producers. If you have time, your comments would be appreciated. Regards. 2001:D08:2952:70C:17B3:1883:ECAA:A9CE (talk) 11:02, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * , thank you! I had fun tracking that one down. – Jonesey95 (talk) 16:34, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

thx
thx for the cleanup pandaqwanda (talk) 17:34, 17 February 2024 (UTC) (added a link to the diff pandaqwanda (talk) 17:40, 17 February 2024 (UTC))
 * You're welcome. The syntax problem was an obscure one; I tried to retain the formatting that you appeared to want. – Jonesey95 (talk) 18:14, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

Nomination of Cavin's Milkshake for deletion
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HTML close p tag removals
Hello Jonesey95,

In this edit, you removed several instances of. Why? When I used to use the p tag, I would sometimes get yelled at for not closing them. SmokeyJoe (talk) 21:49, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
 * It looks to me like I added closing p tags in that edit. I try not to yell at editors, but the MediaWiki software does sometimes complain a bit on the "Page information" page if there are unclosed p tags present. – Jonesey95 (talk) 03:15, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Sorry, misread the diff, you fixed the unclosed p tags. SmokeyJoe (talk) 03:54, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

One more adjustment to Infobox professional wrestling promotion
Hi Jonesey95, Thank you so much for your previous assistance with Template:Infobox professional wrestling promotion. Can I request an additional adjustment? Can you make it so that
 * split      =  example produces "Split from" rather than "Split" when it renders in the infobox? I'd be much obliged, CeltBrowne (talk) 13:38, 21 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Sure. – Jonesey95 (talk) 19:24, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

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Template:ISBN missing
Hi Jonesey, do you think you could have a look at making this template substitutable, like Page needed? Thanks, &#8209;&#8209;Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 11:53, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Why? It's an in-line cleanup template that assigns a tracking category. Putting all of the extra stuff directly into a page does not make sense to me. – Jonesey95 (talk) 14:28, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Because I don't think it's automatically dated by a bot, and it's easier just to type ISBN? rather than having to go to the documentation and copy the full code. &#8209;&#8209;Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 14:30, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
 * This conversation should happen at the template's talk page. Since the date parameter does not appear to do anything, and it does not appear to be used often, why not just remove it? – Jonesey95 (talk) 17:14, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
 * By the way, I tried to subst page needed, and it did not work. I think you may be operating on multiple faulty premises. – Jonesey95 (talk) 17:34, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
 * It does work though, as can be demonstrated in preview/diff mode. &#8209;&#8209;Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 19:45, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Please show a diff in which page needed has been substed. I did it here (the second instance was a subst) and it did not subst for me. – Jonesey95 (talk) 21:46, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
 * That's the substitution, adding the date. &#8209;&#8209;Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 22:01, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Ah, mildly interesting. I had put in the date myself, so there was no change. Anyway, it seems pointless if a bot will fill in the date later, and irrelevant to ISBN?, where the date does nothing. – Jonesey95 (talk) 22:25, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't remove it myself without consulting others, as I agreed. &#8209;&#8209;Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 19:46, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

Special:Diff/1164849222/1205441415
Hi Jonesey, I've tested this change to Infobox rugby biography, a protected template, based on Infobox person formatting of the same parameters. I just thought to check this by with you, in light of my recent issues. Thanks, &#8209;&#8209;Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 17:36, 9 February 2024 (UTC)
 * , I looked at the sandbox and made a couple of adjustments. Where are the relevant test cases? – Jonesey95 (talk) 13:42, 12 February 2024 (UTC)
 * There's Infobox rugby biography/testcases, and there doesn't seem to be an issue. Thanks for those adjustments, &#8209;&#8209;Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 21:30, 13 February 2024 (UTC)
 * You have not edited the testcases page. Which test cases show that your proposed changes actually work? That's what "relevant" means in this context. – Jonesey95 (talk) 00:18, 14 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I've been a bit preoccupied. I assumed it works seeing Infobox rugby biography/testcases#Test case, with there not being any visible issues, as well as through previewing certain pages such as Barry John with the sandbox version. &#8209;&#8209;Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 16:51, 15 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Where is the test case showing multiple positions that shows the "(s)"? If you have a conditional statement, you need to test at least two possible conditions. – Jonesey95 (talk) 16:54, 15 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Yes, I tested that through Special:ExpandTemplates. &#8209;&#8209;Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 17:08, 15 February 2024 (UTC)
 * I'll be frank. Your track record means that I can only trust your changes if you show your work. Add a test case to the test cases page that shows your new code working when all of the modified labels should be pluralized. Add or modify another that shows all of the modified labels as singular. – Jonesey95 (talk) 17:26, 15 February 2024 (UTC)
 * ✅ &#8209;&#8209;Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 17:32, 15 February 2024 (UTC)
 * That shows one condition in one parameter, AFAICT. There are four labels to test, each with two possible conditions (plural or not). – Jonesey95 (talk) 17:35, 15 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Maybe it's just worth doing the one parameter for now, since that's the only that's been bothering me. &#8209;&#8209;Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 17:36, 15 February 2024 (UTC)
 * OK. Change the sandbox and test cases page accordingly. – Jonesey95 (talk) 17:42, 15 February 2024 (UTC)
 * ✅ &#8209;&#8209;Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 18:03, 15 February 2024 (UTC)
 * I've reverted the change to the live template, as I think we've miscommunicated. I assumed that, since I had consulted with you and you voiced no further objections after two weeks, as well as the fact that I had both successfully sandboxed and testcased the changes, that it would be OK to implement the changes. seemed to confirm that the change was OK, before later reverting himself on the same grounds. You haven't provided any further clarity on this, and I feel as if I'm being given the cold shoulder. If you're not interested in mentoring me on sandboxing/testcasing, I'd appreciate if you could clarify that. I've responded to your message on my talkpage regarding my promise, which I did not in fact breach as I clarified, but I accept that I ought to sandbox/testcase all such changes in future regardless if the template is protected or not, and I can promise to do so going forward. I hope you can try and bear with me here, as I am trying. &#8209;&#8209;Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 19:43, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
 * I didn't see this discussion before I reinstated the edit, which is why I reverted. The edit looks fine to me, but it seemed like part of a "test first before implementing" scheme and I didn't want to get in the way of that. Primefac (talk) 20:32, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
 * No worries, . I am washing my hands of this one. Anyone who wants to enhance that template should make some sandbox edits and then start a thread on the template's talk page explaining what they propose to change and why. – Jonesey95 (talk) 22:40, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

Help with TFD
Hello, Jonesey95,

I wanted to nominate the template at the bottom of Coptic Orthodox Church in South America for consideration at TFD but I can't find the page that it is on. When I click V or E, it takes me to a generic template page for templates about the Americas. Can you either point me to the right, specific template page so I can nominate it or post the nomination yourself? It's just a collection of red links for a small church that is highly unlikely to expand throughout a large region in the coming future. Thanks! Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 18:32, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
 * That navbox is generated using a sort of meta-template that creates a navbox for any topic provided. There is no guarantee when you give it a term that there will be a collection of articles on that topic. The template documentation provides brief guidance: Examples of inappropriate articles for these templates are .... I could create a one-off navbox instance called "Blue-faced species of bananas in the Americas" by transcluding the template at the bottom of a page, and it would be all red. In this case, I think your only option is to remove the navbox from the article if all of the redlinks bother you. – Jonesey95 (talk) 18:59, 7 March 2024 (UTC)
 * There is so much I don't know about how templates work. That's why I rarely ever venture into TFD. Thank you for the explanation. Since there is no existing template for this subject, I think I'll let it be since it likely only exists on this page. Thanks again. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 19:05, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

Template page move
Can you move Template:WikiProject Writing/Sign up to Template:WikiProject Writing sign up and Template:WikiProject Writing sign up to Template:WikiProject Writing sign up/sign (or something) as it better shows the template connections this way. Gonnym (talk) 11:06, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
 * I have boldly moved all of the pages to Wikipedia space, since they are single-use project pages that don't really behave like transcluded templates with parameters. – Jonesey95 (talk) 13:48, 13 March 2024 (UTC)

Edit notice
Thank you for ; it makes an immediate and positive difference. I have to say that while i don't remember if we've actually interacted previously, i know that i have learned from your technical ability and have, as in this case, taken information or tweaks you have suggested and used them. Happy days, ~ LindsayHello 08:39, 14 March 2024 (UTC)
 * I'm glad I have been able to help. Thanks for the nice note. – Jonesey95 (talk) 15:07, 14 March 2024 (UTC)

DYK nominations with missing end tags
In response to your query in this edit, the problem is <small ></small> tags spanning multiple lines in Module:NewDYKnomination here: ${STATUS} by ${AUTHORS}. ${NOMINATED} at.

Number of QPQs required: ${QPQS_REQUIRED}

Post-promotion hook changes will be logged on the talk page; consider watching the nomination until the hook appears on the Main Page. I could fix it myself by bracketing the three lines with smalldiv, but I'd rather leave it to someone with more experience with modules than me. —Bruce1eetalk 08:16, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
 * I had already worked around it with an explanation and a link to more information in my edit summary, but my edit was undone by, who did not appear to understand that the invalid syntax was causing errors in every new DYK page created with that Module. I have implemented a different fix with div tags. Smalldiv would probably also work, but I am never sure whether I can use templates directly in a Lua module. – Jonesey95 (talk) 12:47, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks ... —Bruce1eetalk 12:54, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Can you please assume good faith? This was an edit I did manually when I saw that new nominations were now including irrelevant text in full size rather than small. I did not see that was because of your lint-fixing edit. Also, if you are going to make such edits in templates, can you kindly ensure that the presentation remains unaffected? People put effort in formatting templates to ensure the necessary details catch attention and others don't. It's not acceptable to change the formatting to make a lint error go away. Using the div tag looks like the correct fix, thanks! – SD0001  (talk) 13:41, 18 March 2024 (UTC)
 * I usually try to preserve the appearance, but sometimes the original editor's intent, especially when they use in-line tags to span multiple lines, is not clear. (A variant of the above assertion could be that it is not acceptable to introduce a syntax error just to get a page to look a certain way.) It looks like I guessed wrong this time. I'm glad we ended up with mutually acceptable markup. – Jonesey95 (talk) 17:45, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

That edit of mine you fixed...
At some point after that edit, I realized stuff like that was happening, and cleaned up most (I thought all) of the instances where that occurred. However, you obviously found one of the instances where I did not fix the issue. I have since added a " " into my search regex, making my search " " instead of " " so it doesn't return pages with an apostrophe before the comma. Steel1943 (talk) 21:49, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks. That formatting was bizarre before your edits, so it is understandable that strange things happened. Thanks for trying to prevent it in the future. – Jonesey95 (talk) 23:40, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

West Bengal Film Journalists' Association Award for Best Actress
You removed a from West Bengal Film Journalists' Association Award for Best Actress, with edit summary "Please RTFM. Template:Border is for wrapping text. It uses span tags, so it can't wrap div-based elements." This article had a bunch of 'd  calls; the one you removed was a  around, which was the only one causing a div-span-flip. Another user reverted you; I reverted that user, but that left all images but the cropped one with borders, so I removed all of the borders. It's strange that generates div-span-flip lint errors around cropped images but not around regular images. —Anomalocaris (talk) 22:28, 25 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Regular images don't use elements any more. They used to, but the MediaWiki software was altered at some point in the last few months so that images are enclosed in <figure ></figure> elements. -- Red rose64 &#x1f339; (talk) 00:26, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

Nomination for merger of Template:Cite GREC
Template:Cite GREC has been nominated for merging with Template:GEC. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Thank you. Mathglot (talk) 21:15, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

Template question
Hi there. I see you and User:Frietjes are skilled with templates. At Template:US Census population, would it be possible to add an option so this template could also lay horizontally, or in columns?

I mostly edit US city articles, and very often this lengthy template pokes deep into the bottom of an article, such as Hamilton, Georgia.

Template:Historical populations, by comparison, has options such as columns and horizontal layout.

Is this possible? Thanks! --Magnolia677 (talk) 11:55, 9 March 2024 (UTC)
 * It looks like the latter template is usable for US settlement populations. I don't know how to program in Lua, so I would not be able to modify Template:US Census population in this way. Personally, I think the pure horizontal layout inhibits comparison of the numbers from year to year, but I see your point about the length of the article. – Jonesey95 (talk) 13:23, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Magnolia677, we could probably make Template:US Census population a wrapper for Template:Historical populations which would allow you to use the horizontal or cols options. I agree that the vertical layout is better.  for long tables, I usually use 2 or 3 with Template:Historical populations.  if we made Template:US Census population a wrapper, these options would be supported. Frietjes (talk) 15:05, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
 * That would really help with those short articles that have a long history of settlement. Should I leave it with you, or open a discussion on the template talk page? Thanks! Magnolia677 (talk) 15:47, 11 March 2024 (UTC)
 * It would help at Walden, New York too. I tried adding "|cols=2", but no luck. Magnolia677 (talk) 19:35, 30 March 2024 (UTC)

IMO?
Hi, very minor question. You offered advice recently on Miniapolis talk page, re: resolving dispute over c/e, and mentioned "the wrong IMO". What means IMO? I checked WP Abbr, Glossary, and Edit summary legend page, but couldn't find, and google had too many high freq irrelev hits. Context was: sentences with awkward usage, one w/ verb tense, the other awk serial semicolons. Thanks! — Yogabear2020 (N.B. NoviceEditor; Talk) 00:54, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
 * It's an early internet initialism for "in my opinion". See List of acronyms: I. – Jonesey95 (talk) 01:06, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Great, thanks, didn't think of checking there. — Yogabear2020 (N.B. NoviceEditor; Talk) 01:25, 9 April 2024 (UTC)

Guild of Copy Editors 2023 Annual Report
Fake signature and time stamp to make archiving work, added by Jonesey95. 07:41, 16 March 2024 (UTC)

Precious anniversary
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Guild of Copy Editors April 2024 Newsletter

 * Adding date stamp for archiving. – Jonesey95 (talk) 03:57, 12 April 2024 (UTC)