User talk:Kudpung/Archive 01-15 Oct 2011

Thanks and question
Kudpung, thanks for the initiative on the restructuring of RFA. On my talk you say "It may now be appropriate to take an earnest look at the possible introduction of some control over voters". Could you explain what you mean when you say power over voters? Thanks! Philippe Beaudette, Wikimedia Foundation (talk) 07:17, 1 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Hi Philippe. This is discussed in  depth  at  WP:RFA2011/VOTING and its talk  page. One possible solution  is suggested at  WP:RfA/C. Other possible solutions take into  account  the measures that  are practiced on  several  other Wikipedias, such  as introducing  minimum  qualifications for voters. The drama at  RfA is directly responsible for the unprecedented decline in  candidates over the last  18 months or so. We're currently  having  an updated chart  plotted. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 07:27, 1 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Please forgive dumb questions, since i"m rather late to the party... but would I be correct if I were to restate "control over voters" as "suffrage requirements" or the like? I want to be sure that I"m not misunderstanding.  If I'm not, I think that defining suffrage (that is, who has the "say") is both positive and negative.  But if enacted, we will have to be quite certain not to enact the self-fulfilling prophecy: admins who look exactly like the ones we have now.  In voting systems, the end result of that is that the edge-cases are pushed farther and farther out of the mainstream.  Philippe Beaudette, Wikimedia Foundation (talk) 07:33, 1 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Interesting points Philippe. Although  I  began the RfA reform  project  earlier this year, it  now has a large number of participants and I  think your questions/comments would be really  helpful  on  the project's discussion  pages. All  the participants agree that  reform  is urgently  needed, but  we don't  all  agree with  all  the suggestions that  are being  made, but  that  leads to  ensuring  that  we are not  making completely  inappropriate suggestions for  reform. By  'control', I  meant  simply  either asking  responsible editors to  moderate the RfA process in  order to  dispense with  the drama, or introducing  minimum  requirements to  be able to  vote on  RfA, such  as are practiced on  other Wikipedias. Suffrage is simply  a one-word, more linguistic  term  for 'right  to  vote', which  is indeed what  we're talking  about. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 07:43, 1 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for helping me understand. :)  I intend to engage more fully on those pages (as do Steven and Maryana) but I wanted to be sure I sort of understood the groundwork first.  I've also asked there, but ... in what ways can the WMF help?  We've got some staff time we can put into helping to figure out the RfA situation, but we don't want to step on anyone's toes.  Philippe Beaudette, Wikimedia Foundation (talk) 07:53, 1 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I fully  understand that Philippe. We  are pleased that  the WMF is following  the situation, because some of our suggestions for reform  concern taking  into  account  the way  in  which  other Wikis handle their RfA sytems. Erik, for example is a native German, and although  I  am a German  native-level language speaker (and French), I  don't  know my  way  round those Wikis so  well -  mainly  because of all  the other acronyms they  use. The WMF could help  us perhaps by  providing  feedback  from  those other Wikis, and perhaps some data charts. There is of course a fairly  strong  consensus that  each  Wiki  is responsible for organising  its own local voting  processes internally,  but  WMF  support is welcome. Jimbo  has however made it  clear in  no  uncertain  terms that  something  urgently  needs to  be done, and particularly  as en.Wiki is the flagship  project. His comments are taken very  seriously. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 08:04, 1 October 2011 (UTC)

Please help me
Dear Sir or Madam,

I've written several contributions to the following page: http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Repubblica_di_Ragusa. Some of them with citations and most of it on the Talk page, not on the articles page. I've never eliminated someone else's contributions. However the things written aren't liked by the users "Presbite" and "Theirrules yourrules" and "Abys" who bloked my account even though I discussed things politely and rationally. They also accuse me to be part of a group pushing POV which I'm not. I just wanted to discuss on the Talk page. All I wanted was that Croatian as a language was included at the top on the right side of the page as one of the languages spoken in the Republic of Ragusa/Dubrovnik. I also described that Italian was spoken in Ragusa for it was a trade language in the middle ages like English. I also described on the talk page that the Ragusans felt as Croatians and not just Ragusans. I think that's not a reason to block my account. Can you help me? Thank you in advance.

Vatroslav Tudor

Account name VatroslavTudor

I'd also like to ask how can I become an administrator and block someone else? --VatroslavTudor (talk) 08:45, 1 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Hello. I'm sorry  but  this is the English  Wikipedia. Please address your concern on  the article's talk  page of http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Repubblica_di_Ragusa on  the Italian Wikipedia. To  be an administrator on  the English Wikipedia please read WP:Advice for  RfA candidates. Thank  you. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 08:50, 1 October 2011 (UTC)

My editing: 80 new articles versus a few deletion Notifications
Hi, I didnt get any feed back on that page, I will take a look at it. I am not sure what you mean about "following advice" etc... Most of the articles on my talk page that were nominated for deletion are STILL on Facebook. Part of the problem is that people come to see this talk page and they see a few requests and they think all I create are deletable article. I have created over 80 new articles over 2 years that are still on FB, so I am not sure what you mean about "heading warnings" unless you tell me something specific since each case/article was nominated for different reasons. Also some of the 'deletion' nominations are a matter of cultural relevance. So I have people doing things like saying a particular group or person is not notable b/c they were not notable in the western countries or because they are not on international charts... etc...so its not always just about what I did, its also about reporting about countries that dont have all their information online. I will try and improve the article. thanks--MsTingaK (talk) 12:53, 1 October 2011 (UTC)

Reply
Kudpung, when you wrote on my talk page you mentioned Persecution of Bosniaks. What am I supposed to be looking at on that page? Bar Code Symmetry  (Talk) 12:54, 1 October 2011 (UTC)
 * You patrolled it  but  you  didn't  tag it. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 13:07, 1 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, it said "article in progress" and I thought there would be more coming. If it didn't say that i would've tagged it. Bar Code Symmetry   (Talk) 13:24, 1 October 2011 (UTC)

CSD tagging
Hi Kudpung! Could you please help me out here? I just tagged this page as G1. Has it been tagged tagged appropriately? If not, with which criteria should I tag such pages? Thanks and regards, Avenue X at Cicero (talk) 13:26, 1 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Yeah: I was just  looking  at  that  page my self. It's one of those borderline cases for which  we don't  have a clear criterion. It  could be A1 A3 or a hoax, thought  I  doubt  the latter. I'd let it  go. I'll   delete it  myself if any  one else hasn't in  a while. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 13:30, 1 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Well, it's already been deleted as A3 --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 13:31, 1 October 2011 (UTC)

The Filaments page
Hey, Had a message to contact you regarding The Filaments page. What do i need to add or amend? I'm all new to this. Please don't delete! Many thanks Kim — Preceding unsigned comment added by Burleyford (talk • contribs) 16:20, 1 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Hi. The tags on the article at  The Filaments will  explain  what  needs doing, and the messages on  your talk  page  will explain  how to  do it. Remeber that  on  Wikipedia all  the blue words are clickable links. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 16:25, 1 October 2011 (UTC)

Hi
Why was my article deleted? I don't understand. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bjwenergy (talk • contribs) 19:40, 1 October 2011 (UTC)
 * It was pure promotion of an entity. → Σ  τ  c . 21:21, 1 October 2011 (UTC)

Re:Brendan Kelly
Actually, I would've tagged Brendan Kelly as PROD because there weren't any sources but I wanted to give it a few minutes in case the editor was gathering information. I know there are many cases where a few minutes later, the editor finished constructing the article. SwisterTwister  talk  06:04, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
 * That generally  applies to  A1 and A3 articles. This article was as complete as it  would probably  ever be.  --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 06:07, 2 October 2011 (UTC)

Piteda Pemusatan Kalimasada
Accidentally deleted it under "WP:PROD for seven days" criterion. I meant to delete it under WP:CSD (didn't think needed to run for all seven days) - apologies for the error. Neutralitytalk 06:06, 2 October 2011 (UTC)


 * All PRODs  should be allowed to  run  for 7 cdys and BLPPRODS for 10 days. Admins are pretty  quick  to  delete them  when they  expire. You  may  wish  to  work  on  those categories. If  you  haven't  already  got  it, you  may  wish  to  tuck  into  your user page for quick  reference :) --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 06:12, 2 October 2011 (UTC)

Detecting copyvios
I use Bing :) --Mr. Vernon (talk) 06:26, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Bing? --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 06:30, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Bing.com. Search engine. --Mr. Vernon (talk) 06:38, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Just copying  and pasting  a chunk  of text  into  it  like I  do  in  Google?--Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 06:40, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Yup. It's usually obvious that it was copied. Why is the bot down? --Mr. Vernon (talk) 06:42, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Been down for over three months. Apparently because it's incompatible with  a new release of  Yahoo. But  I  don't  know what  SE Coren was using. There are a lot of discussions about  it. That  why  we need to  be extra careful  at  locating  copyvios. The technology  is beyond me. The techs are working  on  it  as fast  as they  can though.  User:Moonriddengirl is the expert  on  copyvio. She's also  WMF staff.--Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 06:49, 2 October 2011 (UTC)

Matt Bostrom
Hi this is Grace Kelly. You have proposed deletion of my article on Matt Bostrom. I want you to re-consider. I may be new to writing an article on wiki but I am not new to writing articles. Sheriff Matt Bostrom is a very important figure here in Minnesota, that a simple google search would quickly display. I researched and read all of the articles that you sent me BEFORE I wrote the article. I compared my article to similar articles on similar topics. I think I have met all expectations. Please advise. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thegracekelly (talk • contribs) 07:01, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Hi Grace. First, please read some basic instructions on  how to  leave messages. Without  links and your signature, there's little I  can do. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 07:05, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
 * OK, well a bot  has now signed your post  for you. I'm  afraid Matt Bostrom  still does not  meet our  criteria. Please click  all  the blue links in  the deletion  notice, and in  the welcome message on  your talk  page, and you  will  discover the reasons why  the article does not  comply. You  have seven days to  do  this before the article gets deleted,  if you  have further questions, please don't  hesitate to  ask.  Good luck. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 07:10, 2 October 2011 (UTC)

Training?
Hello Kudpung, what is training like? I read the articles you told me to read, learned a few things, and see what I did wrong. When I am borderline on decisions, can I ask you? Bar Code Symmetry  (Talk) 14:22, 2 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Hi. If you've read all  those pages and fully  understood them, then you  are welcome to  continue patrolling. But  if you  get  too  many  wrong  again, you  will  be banned for a while from  patrolling  new pages until  I  have put  you  through  a couple of tests. If  you  are not  100% sure what  to  tag, simply leave the page for someone else to  tag it,  put  it on  your watch  list  and see how the other patroller tagged it. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 14:35, 2 October 2011 (UTC)


 * OK. Bar Code Symmetry   (Talk) 14:49, 2 October 2011 (UTC)

One more thing. What do you do when an article has been deleted before it was marked as patrolled? Current examples: Analogue tachograph and Professor Ian Diamond Bar Code Symmetry   (Talk) 15:16, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Create the article with db-unpatrolled on it. → Σ  τ  c . 21:48, 2 October 2011 (UTC)

Thoughts on NPP
Hi Kudpung. Thanks for the nice message. I've been following all the stuff including the new zoom interface for NPP. I haven't commented as I have little experience with NPP so can't bring the expertise you, Blade and SW have to the conversation. For what it's worth, I also believe making NPP a user right would help a great deal. Unfortunatley the community hasn't gotten behind that idea.

One thing I have thought about is the priority of things at NPP. NPPers help protect Wikipedia from legal problems, which is an immense value that can't be understated. Maybe users patrolling the front of the queue could focus on legal issues (G10 attack, G12 copyvios, etc.) as these things truly need to be dealt with in minutes. Perhaps less important issues (orphans, wikification, A2 foreign, A5 transwiki, etc.) could be dealt with by those patrolling the back of the NPP queue.

Perhaps we could have Junior NPPers and Senior NPPers. As newbies seem to want to jump in to NPP, maybe should focus our education on the most serious issues like teaching them to tag articles with legal problems. These would be Junior NPPers. Then, as they gain experience, we could teach them more advanced things like checking references and notability and patrolling from the back of the queue. Perhaps we could teach these newbies to not mark a page as patrolled unless they specifically marked it for CSD and to let the more experienced users deal with the more complex issues. This may give them incentive to learn more about NPP and to do a better job so they could become Senior NPPers.

These are just some thoughts I've had, but like I said, I'm too inexperienced at NPP to know if these are useful ideas. I'd very much like to hear from you and others about your ideas regarding NPP. Best regards. - Hydroxonium (T•C• [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:ListUsers&limit=1&amp;username=Hydroxonium V] ) 02:15, 3 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Hydrox. Thanks for you input. There have been some issues in  the recent past  over the WP:ACTRIAL  that  I, Blade, and SW proposed, but  the WMF is taking  the problems  of new page creation  and policing very  seriously and is now devoting  unprecedented time and resources to  it, and I'm  trying  to  help  them  where I  can. My  point  of view, from  my  own  intensive empirical  research  into  NPP, is that  we can probably  not  escape eventually  making  NPP  a user right  for suitably  qualified editors. However, a two-tier system may simply  duplicate the work  and make it  unnecessarily  complex. At  the moment,  in  spite of around 1,500 users having  'New page patroller' userboxes, there appears to be  on  average only  2 - 7 patrollers on  duty  at  any  one time (according  to  Snottywong's tool), while at  peak times, new pages arrive at  one every  15 seconds or so, and the quality  of the NPPers' work  leaves much  to  be desired. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 04:11, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
 * PS: I'm thinking  on  the lines of something  like a video  tutorial  for NPP. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 04:12, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
 * seeing all this, I've lately been checking NPP more often myself, and, like you, concentrating on those NPPatrollers who seem to need some suggestions. At this point, I'd support a userright. Long ago, I made a suggestion about having editors sign up for particular time slots. (Not that they could follow 2-3 a minute, but that they'd take responsibility for a particular time & day, say an hour. Do you think we could get 168 experienced people? Hooking to some of the above, do you think we could make at least an informal requirement for admin candidates to take such a slot for a month or so? I'm also trying to write up what I use in my head a a NPP red flag checklist. As you may recall, I did not support AC (and for the first time yet I actually support the WMF when they overrode   us), but that does not mean I'm not concerned about this--for several years I've been concentrating on what gets deleted & shouldn't be, but the number in the other direction seems considerably larger. My main concern is retention of new editors, and both directions are equally important for that.     DGG ( talk ) 05:27, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your input David. I have seen you  helping  some of the patrollers. I  sent  you  an email  earlier today. In  the meantime, I  have proposed a survey  which  the WMF is in  favour  of, and I will  be discussing  it with  Howie tomorrow. Any  comments you  would like to  make on  it's talk  page  would be most  welcome. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 05:48, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Sorry I forgot  the link. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 06:13, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

NPP user right
Would anybody like to discuss this further? Maybe the community would be ready for this if we provided a persuasive case? Any thoughts or opinions are most welcome. - Hydroxonium (T•C• [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:ListUsers&limit=1&amp;username=Hydroxonium V] ) 06:26, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
 * We're discussing something on  those lines here. You'll need to  do  some catching  up but  your comments would be most welcome. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 06:59, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the invite. I've been following all the stuff from the beginning (AC RfC, WP:ACTRIAL, Bugzilla thread, AC workflow and NPP zoom interface). I really don't feel competent commenting on the zoom interface as I have done so little patroling, therfore don't have a proper perspective of the situation. But thanks for the invitation to comment. I think you, Blade, SW and WSC have been doing an excellent job making sure that the important issues are on the table so others can stay focused on what is needed. - Hydroxonium (T•C• [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:ListUsers&limit=1&amp;username=Hydroxonium V] ) 07:26, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

I don't disagree with choosing who should patrol NPP (it would filter experienced people aside from the new editors testing their abilities) but I think if people start choosing certain people, it'll take away a piece of Wikipedia: Anyone can help and edit Wikipedia. Yes, there may be new people that want to help and don't understand but I simply think that making it a entitlement to patrol would change things perhaps in good and not so good ways. SwisterTwister  talk  03:40, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

New Pages Patrolling
Hi Kudpung, I've decided to do some more work on New Page Patrol. Please could you explain what it was that gave you concern about my tagging of articles in the past? You weren't very specific. Incidentally, since you mention ACTRIAL, I should say that I am very familiar with it, since Chzz discussed it with me in detail. He seems quite well informed about it. Sp33dyphil "Ad astra" 06:02, 3 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Hi. I can't  find it  now,  but  I  have been doing  a lot of checking  on  the work  of new page patrollers over the last  few days. I  think  it  was something  more general, but  I  probably  suggested that  you  read up  on  WP:NPP and WP:CSD. If you  have done that  and understood it  all, you  should be OK for patrolling  pages. I  admit  that  some of it  is very  complicated, but  we're working  on  it. Happy  editing! --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 06:11, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

Reliable Sources
Hi...thank you for your reply. Also, wanted to say you guys are doing a great job, I'm new to this and already very impressed!! I don't know how to link a previous question that I had so I copied it below with your reply.

The page I was referring to is this Nader Guirat.Thanks again!--Mona MG (talk) 07:10, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

Reliable Sources Hi...Before I make changes and additions to a page (bio) that needs additional material, could I first send the references, links and reliable sources that I have put together and intend to use on the page to find out if they are satisfactory/sufficient to prevent the deletion of the page? Thank you. --Mona MG (talk) 08:00, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

You haven't left a link here but I assume you are referring to Star Academy Arab World. The article is tagged as requiring clean up, but I don't see any indication that it is slated for deletion. Check that your sources comply fully with WP:RS, and if you feel confident that the addition(s) you intend to make is/are relevant to the article, feel free to go ahead and make the edits. Normally I would suggest you discuss it on the article talk page but there seems to be little activity there apart from some trolling that I have just removed. You may also wish to check the article history that the IP edits are genuine information. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 12:17, 28 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Hi. The same advice applies :) Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 07:16, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

OBVIOUS(MR. MOTIVATION)
Don't you think this is an obvious case of blatant advertising, of a non-notable person? Avenue X at Cicero 10:21, 3 October 2011 (UTC)


 * As an admin, I'm very  careful  how I  tag  pages. Once PRODed, this page will  be deleted anyway  in  10 days if it's not  improved. I've left  your CSD  tag on it -  another admin  may  consider it  worth  deleting  immediately. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 10:26, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Temasek Secondary School
I don't know if you've already watchlisted it or not, but I think that we should keep an eye on this article. &tilde;danjel [ talk | contribs ] 12:56, 3 October 2011 (UTC)


 * I was doing  some heavy  pruning  and editing  one minute ago ;) Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 12:59, 3 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Heh, I saw that. Actually, thinking about it, rather than doing it ourselves, can I respectfully suggest that editing the article be left in User:AngelSL's hands for now and that you (or I, or both of us) guide him/her through it? If they work up the article, it'll be a better outcome in terms of encouraging continued attention on his/her part than either of us working on it. Assuming that s/he is actually a middle school student, this would be a better outcome for wikipedia. &tilde;danjel [ talk | contribs ] 13:02, 3 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Fair enough. They might  learn something. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 13:15, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

Re:New Page Patrolling
Institute of Sensory Organs - yup i saw it had no refs, i also saw it had already been tagged for having none lower down, ie good enough, dont want to be too heavy handed.

reliable sources - yes i do search for them, when i'm interested enough in the subject to do so. please dont let me stop you adding as many as you like.

csd or prod tag - yes it may do, we'll see. but do feel free to add them yourself.

thanks! -- The Elves Of Dunsimore (talk) 04:50, 4 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Hi. I am  not  a new page patroller. I  am  conducting  research  in to  how New Page Patrolling  can be improved and made easier for you, but  I  naturally  correct  the mis-tags on  the fly. Not  tagging  pages correctly  simply  duplicates work  for others. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 04:55, 4 October 2011 (UTC)


 * the un-ref'd tag was already there. -- The Elves Of Dunsimore (talk) 05:01, 4 October 2011 (UTC):::


 * If I remember rightly, Institute of Sensory Organs, only  had a section  tag. Please remember each  tag  automatically enters an article into  a specific category that  other people work  on. Unreferenced sections are obviously not such  a high priority  as totally  unreferenced articles that  may  well  need a CSD  or a PROD tag -  after having  carried out  the steps patrollers  should be doing  in  WP:NPP. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 05:08, 4 October 2011 (UTC)


 * yup a section tag, which i thought was good enough, if you dont, then feel free to change it. -- The Elves Of Dunsimore (talk) 05:12, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

Galerie Patrick Seguin
i marked it as patrolled because the of the notable nature of the list of people they distribute and the museums they contribute to. its also got notes and a bibliography. ie, it looked good enough imo to get marked as patrolled. -- The Elves Of Dunsimore (talk) 05:09, 4 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Most galleries, especially  those in  place like Paris, London, and Berlin, handle works of art of notable artists. Notability  is not  inherited. Please see WP:NOTABILITY. Thanks, and keep  up  the good work! . --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 05:14, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

Schoolyard

 * ... FWIW and like it or not, WP is like your typical high school. Sometimes. Best and out. -- Dave ♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫® 08:44, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

Sandbox
Chewey93/sanbox => User:Chewey93/sanbox to help out a new user, who's a student trying to figure out the wiki. Just sayin'. Nikkimaria (talk) 14:22, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

Institute of Rural Management
Hello Kudpung, could you please do something about Institute of Rural Management, which has been recreated by Samar Saeed Akhtar through copy and pasting. I suggest you, after two reminders and three CSDs, block this problematic user. Sp33dyphil "Ad astra" 04:20, 5 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Can you run a chunk of  it  through  Google, do  the diuplication  report  check, then tag it  for G10 if you're satisfied, then I'll  look  into  it  further. The original  G10 was http://www.irm.edu.pk/Publications/reports/10_yearReport.pdf and http://www.irm.edu.pk/index-.php?About%20N-IRM&catId=1 --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 04:27, 5 October 2011 (UTC)


 * G10? It looks promotional to me. Sp33dyphil "Ad astra" 04:29, 5 October 2011 (UTC)
 * And G12. Sp33dyphil "Ad astra" 04:30, 5 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Sorry, G12 is what I  meant. I've now put  a final  warning  on  his tp -  he has created other copyvio pages, and if he does it  again  I  will  block. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 04:36, 5 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Looks like I've already deleted it. I've also  protected the pages, so  a block  might  not  be necessary. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 04:41, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

Hello.. I have submitted an article about an organization "Institute of Rural Management" multiple times and everytime it gets deleted with reason mentioning copyright enfringement, although I have mentioned all the references including those detected by you on the wiki. Please guide me. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.56.25.19 (talk) 04:44, 5 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately you  may  not  copy  content  from  other websites. You  must  ensure that  what  you  are writing  about  is notable, and if it  satisfies our criteria for organisations, then  you  must  provide reliable, third-party  sources that  are not  connected with  your organisation. Please click  on  all  the blue words in  this message for more information, and the ones in  the many  messages on  your talk  page. Thanks. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 04:53, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

Please unblock Examsandacademics and their IP address

 * Hi Kudpung!
 * First of all I would like to apologize on behalf of this user User:Examsandacademics, I'm the Campus Ambassador for her class and personally met her and told her about the violation, and she promised me not to repeat this in future. The student is a part of India Education Program, WP:IEP and is fairly new in terms of Wikipedia Editing. Please unblock the IP(202.71.141.170) address coz it's her college's lab ip and none of the students are able to do the editing and their deadline are approaching real fast.
 * Accept our apologies and please unblock her asap.


 * Cheers,
 * Ram (talk • contribs) 06:01, 5 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Give me a link to the concerned user and I'll  review the situation. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 06:04, 5 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I have unblocked the user, but  I  must  make quite specifically  clear that  this user name cannot  be used collectively  by  the members of a project. Anyone editing  the encyclopedia must  either sign up for their own  account, or be content  to  edit  as an IP. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 06:09, 5 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks a ton for unblocking the user and the IP. We don't allow everyone to use single username coz the evaluations are done on the basis of Student's Wikipedia UserID, so no collobrative use of single username, as these folks work on their article in University labs, they share the same external IP.
 * Thanks,
 * Ram (talk • contribs) 06:40, 5 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Ram (talk • contribs) 06:40, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

hello
why are you worried about my page? I just made it. Im not even done bro. is this a personal problem? CalvinCrabtree — Preceding unsigned comment added by CalvinCrabtree (talk • contribs) 07:36, 5 October 2011 (UTC)
 * And it will  probably  continue to  be deleted 'bro' until  you  understand that  this is not  FaceBook. Please read the requirements for inclusion  in  this encyclopedia, and consider developing  the article first  in  your user space. If  it  meets approval, you  can be sure we will  publish  it. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 07:43, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

Talkback
Sp33dyphil "Ad astra" 07:49, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

hi kudpung
why did you delete the article Kristian Meincke? I am kristian meincke, so why arent I allowed to do an article about myself? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Krilson (talk • contribs) 08:02, 5 October 2011 (UTC)


 * The page was recreated. Sp33dyphil "Ad astra" 08:07, 5 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia is not Facebook. Wikipedia only has topics about notable things. If you do something and get in the news, maybe someone will write an article about you someday. → Σ  τ  c . 08:08, 5 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Please see the welcome message and the warnings on your talk  page at  User talk:Krilson. By  clicking  on  the blue words, you  will  be linked to  pages that  explain  the requirements  for  posting  new articles on  Wikipedoa. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 08:12, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

Talkback
&tilde;danjel [ talk | contribs ] 11:51, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

dom&nic
Hi Kudpung. I am new to wikipedia editing I began a new dom&nic page because I found the page that someone had started about me (I am Dominic Hawley, a music video and commercial film director) was very incomplete and out of date. I understand you would like the article deleted. Can you help me understand how I can make it better or do you believe an article about dom&nic is not a valid topic full stop. Kind regards Dom — Preceding unsigned comment added by Domley (talk • contribs) 21:42, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

dom&nic
Hi Kudpung. I am new to wikipedia editing I began a new dom&nic page because I found the page that someone had started about me (I am Dominic Hawley, a music video and commercial film director) was very incomplete and out of date. I understand you would like the article deleted. Can you help me understand how I can make it better or do you believe an article about dom&nic is not a valid topic full stop. Kind regards Dom (Domley (talk) 21:46, 5 October 2011 (UTC)).


 * Hi Domely. It's not actually  a question  of what  I  believe;   it's a matter of whether the article's subject  is sufficiently  notable for inclusion  according  to  Wikipedia policies. This is sometimes subject  to  discussion  about  how the policies apply  to  the article. I  see you  have now added more references, but  we will  need to  let  the discussion  run  for its full  seven days at Articles for deletion/Dom&nic where those references will be investigated by  the community. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 00:48, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

quick question
When you posted this, were you talking to only, Spidey665, or mysterytrey? Thanks in advance for answering. mysterytrey  talk  01:34, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
 * The comment was addressed at  Spidey, not  to  others who  had commented. My  apologies if it  was not  clear.  I  have qualified my  statement .  --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 01:58, 6 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Alright. Thanks. It was a bit unclear, though. mysterytrey   talk  02:01, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

In response
Are you referring to a particular tag? Your message on my Talk page was rather vague. --Mr. Vernon (talk) 05:39, 6 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Hi. No, I wasn't  referring  to  any  specific page. I  had noticed from  a special  control  panel  I  use that  you  are still  getting  a lot of tags wrong. I  then checked your user page and saw that  I  had already  asked to  read WP:NPP and that  many  other admins have been again pointing  out  wrong  tags to  you.  I  thought  it would be best  to  remind you  again  to  read WP:NPP. Although  no  special  user right  is required for patrolling  new pages, to  do  it  accurately  needs a very  good knowledge of our different  policies, especially WP:DELETION, and to  some extent, how the site software works. Hoaxes for example, are usually  very  easy  to  identify - they  are usually  silly short  stories made up  by  obvious children. Occasionally  some hoaxes are more subtle and may  have been copied from  a blog or a forum. If you  think  that  is the case, copy  and paste a complete sentence into  Google and see what  you  get. Check  also  the user's contributions, they  may  have made other hoaxes and check  the user's talk  page to  see if they  have been warned for anything  already. There are a lot of things that  need to  be done to  patrol a page properly. Hope this helps. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 05:50, 6 October 2011 (UTC).


 * The hoax tag can be frustrating. A few days ago I tagged an article (I think it may have been AZA-1) as a hoax, which was declined by another editor. Then I used an AfD, at which point another editor said "hey, this is an obvious hoax" and SD'ed it. So, frankly, which is it? --Mr. Vernon (talk) 05:57, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Follow the link I  just  left  on  your talk page. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 05:59, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
 * So whomever removed the SD on AZA-1 was incorrect? Sorry, this is bloody confusing. --Mr. Vernon (talk) 06:08, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

AZA-1''
 * First tagged as G3 Hoax by  an admin
 * Deleted as G3 Hoax by an admin
 * Tagged again as G3 Hoax by Mr  Vernon
 * Deleted again as G3 Hoax by an admin

If I had seen it  I  would have deleted it  summarily  as a G3 hoax without  bothering  to  tag it first. The creator himself  removed the tag -  they  usually  do. Convinced? --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 06:21, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Actually it went through a very brief AfD before the second deletion. But sure, I think I get it. I'll just play it "safe." --Mr. Vernon (talk) 06:23, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

Radar, IRC and ACTRIAL
Wow, I can't believe your father helped develop the radar during WWII. BTW, you can chat to me at, particularly about ACTRIAL and how I'm disappointed that the top won't let it go ahead. Sp33dyphil "Ad astra" 06:14, 6 October 2011 (UTC)


 * My dad's 92 now. I don't  chat  on  IRC -  too  busy  ;). We're working  closely  now with  the WMF to  find other solutions for ACTRIAL. Best, --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 08:10, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

Infopesa
hi, i noticed that this page had been tagged for speedy deletion so i was looking into it and i think it does have claims to be notable. i checked some of the bands it mentioned on the es site, (eg Los Pasteles Verdes, Juaneco y su Combo) and they both mention it, tho there is no page for Infopesa specifically. this site (http://rhythmnroots.wordpress.com/tag/infopesa/) also says they've been around for 40 years. i think its worth stubbing it and giving it a chance no? -- The Elves Of Dunsimore (talk) 07:56, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

Hi. I don't think so. The 'article' had 30 words (two sentences) and absolutely  nothing  else. The user was offered several messages to  do  something  about  it. We'll see what  happens if they complain. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 08:08, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

People manamgment
Since the creator objected to the speedy deletion, isn't the article inelligible to be PRODed, since there is an objection to deletion? Inks.LWC (talk) 08:21, 6 October 2011 (UTC)


 * The article is PRODed, it's the usual follow up  to  a declined CSD. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 08:23, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
 * So the objection to the CSD doesn't count as an objection to the PROD as well? Inks.LWC (talk) 08:29, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
 * No. What it does is gives the creator a second chance to  do  something  aboçut  it, because another editor  feels that  there was a faint  notion  of possible notability. The usual  sequence of deletion is CSD → PROD → AfD. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 08:32, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
 * OK, another administrator had told me before that it did. Thanks for clearing it up for me. :) Inks.LWC (talk) 08:35, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Remember that an article can only  be PRODed once though. If  you  don't  CSD  an article as the first  measure, you  must  check  its history  to  see that  it  hasn't  been previously  PRODed. If  it  has, or if a PROD is declined (removed) without  the article being  improved, send it  to  AfD with  a rationale such  as, for example,  Declined PROD. Concern was: Fails to  meet criteria for WP:NBOOK. Searches reveal  no  other reliable sources. or something similar. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 08:42, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah, that much I knew. Inks.LWC (talk) 08:44, 6 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Note: It's a blatant copyvio - copied verbatim from  http://ezinearticles.com/?Top-Ten-Tips-About-People-Management&id=46309  (page clearly marked "copyright 2008 Martin Haworth"). I had to disable the live link here as it triggers the spam filter. Just paste it into your browser. Surely it can, and indeed must, be speedied under G12. Unambiguous copyright infringement. There's no way it can even be stubbed. Voceditenore (talk) 09:19, 6 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks for this Voce. I've run it through the Duplication  detector, and you're quite right. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 09:26, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
 * It's part of the Talk:Educational data mining project. Wikipedia talk:India Education Program I left  amessage there earlier. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 09:29, 6 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks for putting me on to the Duplication detector. What a fab tool! I had a look a the project you referred to and then some of their "articles". What a nightmare. They've had 15 briefings on copyvio?? Clearly it hasn't sunk in. If you run across any that you think might be copyvio, post the article on my talk page and I'll sleuth it out. From what I've seen of what they've produced so far, anything involving connected prose that looks reasonably well-written, is highly likely to have been copied from somewhere. Voceditenore (talk) 12:23, 6 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Here's another: Communication in sports. We're getting about 20 a day  of these essays now. They  are all  made up  of individual  sentences from  multiple sources and slightly  (of at  all) paraphrased. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 14:02, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Yep consisted of pasted in chunks from 3 sites verbatim. As I was in the middle, another patroller tagged it for speedy, I added the other two URLs to the tag. Can't something be done about this? A whole load of bad articles are one thing but copyvio is serious and it's obviously continuing on a massive scale. Voceditenore (talk) 14:47, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Another thought, do you think it would be worthwhile informing the project of every page deleted for copyvio, so they are aware of the scale? Voceditenore (talk) 14:50, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Probably worth mentioning it at User talk:Moonriddengirl - there were a series of threads about this there, now archived. Some of the people involved in the project participated, and the last/latest thread ended with a suggestion, if I remember rightly, that the volume of problems is now greatly reduced, and things have been taken care of. Which I can well believe might not be the case! --Demiurge1000 (talk) 15:48, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

I read the archive and I gather the India Education Program is already keeping track of articles deleted for copyvio (assuming that someone has actually found the copyvio). But perhaps these two articles here weren't from that project. The subject matter doesn't seem to fit in with any of their courses. I did, however, take the red pencil to this one which is part of the project. I notice that someone from WMF, also edited it a bit before me but missed some chunks of verbatim copying. Sigh. Voceditenore (talk) 17:59, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

Hi Kudpung,
I've received the "Proposal to delete" message. Understood I did not put in reference and/or source. I've done amendments to the page Yuri Masuda. Please review and tell me if there is anymore error I made.

Im sorry for causing the trouble as I'm very new to creating page in wiki. I do not want the page to be deleted so teach me about what am I doing.

Thanks Kudpung — Preceding unsigned comment added by 5zero6 (talk • contribs) 15:25, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Hi. Unfortunately the references you  supplied are not  the kind that  establish  notability. They  only  support  minor details such  as her pregnancy  etc. The sources might  not  be truly  reliably, as some of them rely  on  material  that  has been submitted by  readers. Please click on  these links and read about what   we need  for establishing  notability, and the kind  of sources that  are acceptable: WP:NOTABILITY, WP:BAND, WP:BLP, and WP:RS (Wikia is of course not  reliable). Thanks. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 00:35, 7 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Hi Kudpung,
 * Thank you for your reply. My sources were from barks.jp, and if that is not reliable enough I've added Oricon's source. Oricon must be reliable enough, I assume? Please enlighten me. The rules said at least 1 reliable source, I believe Oricon could meet the criteria, can it not?

Thanks Kudpung for taking time to explain. Looking forward to your reply. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 5zero6 (talk • contribs) 04:02, 7 October 2011 (UTC)


 * The 'rules' that  you  quoted only  apply  to  the WP:BLPPROD which  is designed to  give article creators more time to  prevent  deletion. The actual  'policies'  that  apply are WP:GNG, WP:BLP, a,d in  this case, also  WP:MUSICBIO. I  know all  this seems terribly  complicated, and the policies are walls of text, but  they  must  be read and understood -  it's one of the downsides of being  the 'encyclopedia anyone can edit'. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 04:25, 7 October 2011 (UTC)

Get a load of this
. I guess we, the community, are incompetent crackheads now; I was only just able to restrain myself from much stronger language. The Blade of the Northern Lights ( 話して下さい ) 20:33, 6 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Well, at least  we now have a clear message from  that WMF that they  will  not  interfere with  WP:RFA2011 and that's it's up  to  us to  get  local  consensus for any  reform. They  have however offered to  stand by with advice and technical  support. It looks as if the video  conferences I  have been having  with  them on  ACTRIAL have been positive in  the crowsourcing they  are now doing  for alternative solutions. I  naturally  still strongly  believe of course  that  ACTRIAL  should be run, if only  for the valualble feedback it would provide. The problem with  enforcing  the quality  of new pages has to  be fought  on  many  fronts: NPP training/user right, new NPP tools, new users' rights, AfC, new article creation  flow, and the Wizard, just  to  name  but  a few that  are now under serious discussion.  The  survey  I  have designed may  offer a lot  of valuable feed back, but  I  have suggested, and they  have agreed, that  it  will  need a work group  to  develop and implement  any  suggestions and provide test Wikis for any  software solutions. I  think  we need to  be part of that  work  group, and get  SW and WereSpielChequers on  board too. I  know SW has already helped by  providing  screencasts of his page patrolling,  and WSC is providing  mountains of feedback.  I've done over 50 hours of NPP  this week, not  to  reduce the backlog, but  to  gather  more empirical  findings. I'm  unable to  do a screencast  for technical reasons, but  I  will  be having  a screensharing  session  with  Ian and Steve next  week. Talk  to  you  soon :)  Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 04:48, 7 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I was going to ask how the screencast was going, as I can't seem to find the necessary technology myself; hopefully that goes well. I'll drop in on the RfA reform tomorrow sometime (I have the whole day to myself) and see what use I can be of.  I've also looked over your NPP survey, and I'd like to check that out. The Blade of the Northern Lights  ( 話して下さい ) 18:16, 7 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, I've spent far too  many  hours already following  advice from  Wikipedians and searching  the Internet for solutions, but  unfortunately  I  have come  up  with zilch. There are just  no  free solutions that work  properly  on  Mac and/or my  DSL  connection. At  the moment  I'm  looking  into  a fvree tgrial  of SnapzPro, a programme  I  used years ago but  my  licence has run out  and it  costs $69 for a new one. Tere are plenty  of free solutions for Windows. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 01:12, 8 October 2011 (UTC)

Re: Social Majors
Hello Kud,

Just following up with my recent deletion of "social majors". Just want some more clarification on where I "promoted" or "advertised" in my article.

My only intention is to inform viewers of "social majors" where they type into Google.

Talk to you soon.

Chao. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Trueternal (talk • contribs) 04:31, 7 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Yes, I'm afraid it  was indeed promotion  or advertising. Wikipedia is not  a trade directory. It  was both proposed for deletion, and deleted by  separate administrators. Articles of this type must  meet  strict criteria for insertion for companies, and must  be supported by  extremely  reliable sources.  Wikipedia cannot  be used as some kind of SEO. Regards, --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 05:01, 7 October 2011 (UTC)

Reverting Changes on Grey Box Testing
HELLO I am Netra Nahar. I am student .I am having wiki editing as our academic syllabus.I read the existing data on grey box testing.But it is not sufficient and the editor of particular page not allowing anyone to explore it.So i created new article and started to explore Grey Box testing such as advantages,examples,etc.So can u help me in it rather than deleting the page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Netra Nahar (talk • contribs)


 * Hi. No, I cannot  allow you  to  create that  article again because for one reason you  only  copy  and rewrite content  from  other websites, and that  is moist  strictly  not  allowed at  Wikipedia. For another reason, you  have been warned about  your editing  before, and for another reason, you  must  check  first  to  see if we already  have article on  the topic you want  to  write about. Also,  Wikipedia is not  a place to  do  homework  assignments. Please ask  for   some advice from  your Wikipedia campus ambassador.  Thanks. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 17:01, 7 October 2011 (UTC)

Steve Spinner
First, I did not remove the speedy deletion tag. Second, my sources are good. La Times, TIME, New York Times. JORGENEV 06:31, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
 * yes, they mention him, but  what  do they contain  that  asserts notability? --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 07:42, 8 October 2011 (UTC)

from rollbacker to rollbacker, reviewer and autopatrolled
WOW, thanks! What a surprise! recently I asked for autopatrol and got told that I first had to clean up my articles before I could get it. And now, all the sudden, I get promoted!

Okay, I am not perfect. If you know articles that need work, please tell me. English is not my first language and sometimes I plain do not see what is wrong. but by pointing out the mistakes, I will be able to learn.

Thanks again for the surprise!! Night of the Big Wind talk  09:30, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Ah, sugar! You made a mistake. :-( But I do not mind if you give me the right. I will not abuse them. Night of the Big Wind  talk  09:44, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, I'm sorry  about  the error, the page jumped back while I  was doing  another right. But OK, I'll make a deal  with  you: ask me again  here personally  in  another couple of weeks. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 09:48, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Nah, I will not start crying over it. But I do like it when you pinpoint weak points in my articles that need to be solved. I can learn from that.  Night of the Big Wind  talk  09:51, 8 October 2011 (UTC)

FYI re copyvio at IEP
Re this user, unblocked 3 days ago. Today he/she created another verbatim copyvio at VACCINE MARKET AND ITS AFFORDABILITY. Sigh... Voceditenore (talk) 09:33, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
 * 'Sigh...' Page deleted, and user blocked again. Oh, I  hope the Indian education  programme gets it  right  soon. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 09:51, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Hey, I'm an admin from India from the city where the program is being conducted. I'm trying to reduce these copyvio issues by some off-wiki explanations in classrooms. WRT this block, can the autoblocks be removed? This is primarily because this user was editing from the institute and the autoblock is affecting scores of students in the program who live in the institute hostel and are now blocked as well. Apologies if I'm making some rookie errors in understanding autoblocks - I've been inactive for a few years now. --Srikeit 13:31, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Hi. I understand you  concern, but  almost  every  new page that  has been created as a result  of the Puna initiative has been a blatant  copyright violation, even by  many  of the ambassadors themselves,  and our page patrollers can barely  cope with  this flood of articles.  The WikiMedia Foundation has been advised about the problem, and I  think it's best  to  wait  a few days now until  the ambassadors and the leaders of the project  have fully  understood the problem, and insist  that  the students  In  the meantime be patient, and when the block  comes off, they  make their articles in  their userspace first. I  have lived and worked in education in  India and I  know that  copyright  and plagiarism  is almost  a normal  thing, however, at  Wikipedia we take it  very  seriously. Please see Wikipedia talk:India Education Program for more details.  --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 22:09, 8 October 2011 (UTC)

question plz
Hello, I'm the writer for Vahid Sarlak article. I'm trying to add references to the article, but as soon as I click on Edit, the whole article disappears...what shall I do?

thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alljudo (talk • contribs) 16:01, 8 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Hi. I have tested the article and I cannot  find anything  wrong  with  it. The article is proposed for deletion  but  this should not  prevent  it being  edited.If  the problem persists, you  may  wish  to  consider posting  a message in  the technical  section  of the Village  Pump. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 22:21, 8 October 2011 (UTC)

Online/Offline
Hi, thank you for your recent help on the MRG talk-page. I was wandering if you could point me to where the templates for "online" and "offline" are? Thank you. Jayy008 (talk) 18:00, 8 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Hi. Please give me a link to  the page you are talking  about. I  find any thing that  corresponds. Thanks. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 22:33, 8 October 2011 (UTC)


 * I think what's meant is similar to what's at the top right of User talk:The.aviation.expert --Demiurge1000 (talk) 22:58, 8 October 2011 (UTC)

You need to  put this JavaScript into  your User:Jay008/monobook.js page (or vector, depending  on  what  skin  you  are using)

//////////STATUS CHANGER // Creator: Misza13 // Credits: Voyagerfan5761 for some minor improvements // Modified by Xenocidic to simply use /Status as a one word indicator, // Modified by Kraftlos to include Sleep status // compatible with for display addOnloadHook(function { //Check if the config is defined  if (typeof(statusChangerConfig) == 'undefined') {    statusChangerConfig = {}  }  if (typeof(statusChangerConfig.statusList) == 'undefined') {      statusChangerConfig.statusList = [ 'online', 'busy', 'around', 'offline', 'sleep' ];  }  if (typeof(statusChangerConfig.statusPage) == 'undefined') {      statusChangerConfig.statusPage = 'User:' + wgUserName + '/Status';  }  //Add the links  for (var i=0; i<statusChangerConfig.statusList.length; i++) {    var stat = statusChangerConfig.statusList[i];    var message = (stat === "sleep") ?  link = "asleep" : link = stat;    addPortletLink( "p-personal", //target tab - personal links wgServer + wgScript + "?title=" + statusChangerConfig.statusPage + "&action=edit&newstatus=" + stat, //link URL stat, //link text "pt-status-" + stat, //id of new button "I'm " + message + "!", //hover text "", //???     document.getElementById("pt-logout")); //add before logout button  }  if (location.href.indexOf("&action=edit&newstatus=") == -1) return; //Are we here to auto-edit the status?  //Get new status  statusRegExp = /&action=edit&newstatus=(.*)/;  var status = statusRegExp.exec(location.href)[1];  //Modify the form  document.getElementById('wpTextbox1').value = status;  if (status == "sleep")  { status = "sleeping"; }  document.getElementById('wpSummary').value = wgUserName + " is now " + status +".";  document.getElementById('wpMinoredit').checked = true;  //Submit it!  document.getElementById('editform').submit; }); //

Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 23:12, 8 October 2011 (UTC)

That really confuses me. I've had the symbol before, where it was just the "offline/online" thing without having all of that added to it. Does that way make it automatic and puts it green when I sign on? Also, sorry for the delay I haven't been on for 24 hours. Jayy008 (talk) 17:17, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

RfA criteria
To quote Han Solo, "looks like someone is beginning to take an interest in your handiwork" :-)

(I've mentioned the attribution issue with that copy, and that's understood, and I also mentioned the request-a-nomination page.) --Demiurge1000 (talk) 19:49, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
 * See Editor review/Katarighe :) Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 22:57, 8 October 2011 (UTC)

Talkback
Thanks for the support Mohamed Aden Ighe (talk) 23:39, 8 October 2011 (UTC)

User_talk:Fastily
Hi Kudpung. Hope you're well. A user has contested the deletion of Variator (variable valve timing). As the editor who nominated the page for deletion, your input would be appreciated. Best,  F ASTILY  (TALK) 23:46, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Hi Fastily. Unless you  disagree,  I'm  going  to  restore it  and userfy  it to  Andy. He worked on  it  a lot earlier this year, and he will  be able to  parse out  the copyvios using  the dup detector. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 23:58, 8 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Although it's probably moot now, I'm okay with the page being restored as long as it's cleaned up. - F ASTILY  (TALK) 01:35, 9 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Sounds far too complicated. Why not just restore, but revdel the recent stuff? Andy Dingley (talk) 00:04, 9 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't  want  to  spend the time on it ;)  I'm  trying  to  chase all  the other Indian copyvio pages. My  solution  is very  quick, and you  are familir with  the article and possibly  have subject  knowledge. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 00:06, 9 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I was finally  going  to restore it  to the last  Malcoma edit, but  Danger beat  me to  it. We  need to  watch  that  the coyvios don't  creep  back  in. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 00:50, 9 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I'll keep an eye on it. Andy Dingley (talk) 00:59, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

Backlog is low!
The backlog is at its lowest level in over a month, (21.96 days), thanks to a joint effort between me and User:ThatPeskyCommoner. Just wanted to let you know. You should focus on the newest pages now (until 0:00 UTC Tuesday) since the backlog is under control. My goal is to get the backlog under 20 days, and i understand it is about quality, not speed. Working hard, Bar Code Symmetry   (Talk) 01:33, 9 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Er... Thanks for the update, but I'm  constantly watching a very special NPP  feedback tool that keeps me informed of how you  guys are doing (and what  you  might  be getting  wrong). Don't  hesitate to  ask  me for advice anytime, and remember: More haste, less speed.   Keep  up  the excellent  work! --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 01:47, 9 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Whoops. Nevermind. =) Bar Code Symmetry   (Talk) 01:54, 9 October 2011 (UTC)


 * How did you get "21.96 days", what tool did you use? And BTW Kudpung, I thought u were a Brit, so what are you doing in Thailand? Sp33dyphil "Ad astra" 02:48, 9 October 2011 (UTC)
 * See this. :) Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 02:52, 9 October 2011 (UTC)


 * How did you get "21.96 days", what tool did you use? Go here and you'll see

NewPages Defcon 4 The queue at Special:NewPages is currently 22.04 days. [graph]  [report]  |  [NPP]   [queue]


 * Click on graph. Bar Code Symmetry  (Talk) 03:18, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

Backlog Problem
What happened to the backlog? It shows that it is going up, when I have been working? It should say The queue at Special:NewPages is currently 20.20 days, instead of 23.5 days. Help? PLEASE!!! <span style="-moz-border-radius:1em;border:1px solid black;font-size:11px;background-color:red;color:white;padding:1px 4px 1px 5px">Bar Code Symmetry  (Talk) 14:01, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't  know. One thing  is sure, new pages arrive far faster than you can sensibly  patrol them.If  you think  there is a problem  with  the tool or with  the site software, speak  to  Snottywong  about it, he's the expert :) Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 14:06, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I did, but it seems he is offline currently... <span style="-moz-border-radius:1em;border:1px solid black;font-size:11px;background-color:red;color:white;padding:1px 4px 1px 5px">Bar Code Symmetry   (Talk) 15:33, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, he's very  busy  in  RL. You've left  him a message and that  should be enough. bear in  mind what  I  said though, pages arrive faster than just  a handful  of patrollers can cope with  them. No  worries, if the list  goes over the top  we are still  logging  them as unopatrolled. You  could be selective and  patrol the titles that  look  like obvious nasties. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 15:43, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

India Education Programme
Hi as you have said, the sentences were not exactly copied but were modified and changed.some paragraphs were copyvio's but added by some other members of india education program.the college ambassadors will take care of such copyvio'.hope you take a note once again as this is an important activity for our college acedemics. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sourabhsk.mech (talk • contribs) 04:08, 9 October 2011 (UTC)


 * I hope you  guys are taking  note and doing  something  about  it ;) I've also  pointed out  that  the ambassadors are also  making  copyvio  pages. Please also  read WP:TPG, use an L2 header, and sign your posts. Thanks. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 04:19, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

I was under the impression that we aren't supposed to add automated translations to articles
Kudpung, I do not speak Spanish and have no idea whether the translation by Google Translate is satisfactory. The Template says "please do not add an automated translation to the article since these are generally of very poor quality". Are you telling me that what the template says is wrong? James500 (talk) 05:46, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

Hi. We should not  use machine translations if the translation  cannot  easily  be cleaned up into  correct  English. I translated it  myself, then checked back in  Google; the Google translation  was in  perfect  English. In most  cases, a Google translation  will  show what  the basic content  is about and we can then tag as required. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 05:49, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

Copyvios and User:Examsandacademics
Hey Kudpung กุดผึ้ง, firstly accept my humble apologies for not being able to tackle this problem myself as I am the on-ground CA of this user, User:Examsandacademics. I was unfortunately out of station for the last week hence could not tackle this issue head on. Thank You very much for re-blocking this user for his continuous copyright violations. I will talk to him personally as well as talk to the faculty in-charge and make sure he does not make further copyvios. I will personally search every sentence he writes to make sure there are no copyvios before he posts on Wiki. I will also have a talk with the concerned faculty to make sure he is banned from editing in the computer lab until further notice. But I appeal to you with the humblest of request to please unblock this I.P. address as this is the college lab I.P. address. I have seen you understand the importance of this program and as you have rightly stated, there is discouragement because of all these deletion and copyvio issues. But understand it is also a pilot project, we are bound to face more problems than solutions. We have made a lot of progress also, check out Robinson Crusoe Economy which is a good article written from scratch by a user from this college and a part of IEP. I will be in touch with you over these issues more directly in the discussion page of IEP. Understand even we Ambassadors are under a lot of burden. We are trying our best but we do not succeed either. I understand the problems and view them in the gravest aspect but please try to look at the brighter side of his program. Perhaps, not all the students will make it onto main space. But if all of us can bear through the storm of Copyvios and other issues, the content that does survive on Wikipedia will be of invaluable contribution. Even we Ambassadors, learn as we go. Please do not lose heart in the program. Lets work together and resolve all these issues. We CA's are your eyes and ears on ground zero. Even we make mistakes but we learn something new from each of our mistakes and try to prevent more. These are students and I understand that you should never compromise on quality and I don't ask you to. Just possibly a bit of leniency while blocking them. Removing their articles is fine. Again these are students, they have great potential, its just it is taking us a bit more time to get through to them than we stipulated.

As for the matter in hand, please unblock the IP address from which [[User:Examsandacademics] was editing. Do not unblock him as of yet. Let me see what I can do and revert back to you as soon as possible. I assure you that all of us ambassadors part of the IEP are also taking these issues in the gravest of light. We too are very passionate about Wikipedia and don't think twice about protecting it from Copyvios or Vandalism. Just have faith in this program a bit, pilot project after all.

Debastein1 (talk) 10:38, 9 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Hi. I share you concern (I was one of the first Wikipedia Online Ambassadors), but almost every new page that has been created as a result of the Puna initiative has been a blatant copyright violation, even by many of the ambassadors themselves, and our page patrollers can barely cope with this flood of articles. The WikiMedia Foundation has been advised about the problem, and I think it's best to wait a few days now until the ambassadors and the leaders of the project have fully understood the problem, and insist that the students In the meantime be patient, and when the block comes off, they make their articles in their userspace first.
 * I have lived and worked in education in India and I know that copyright and plagiarism is almost a normal thing, however, at Wikipedia we take it very seriously. Today is Sunday and it  is just  after lunchtime there in India. I  will  not  unblock this IP address util  I  know that  you  and your ambassador have gathered all  the students together and clearly  explained how serious the problem is. When I  have a solemn undertaking  that  it  will not  happen again, then I  will unblock. The problem is most  serious because even the ambassadors are flagrantly  making  coyright  violations. I  am very  enthusiatic about  the India Wikipedia programme, and I  wish  I  could come  over there and talk  to  the students (I am  not  too  far away, only  three-and-a-half hours by  plane). I  would love to  come and spend a few days with  you  and help  you  all but  I  don't think  this is possible. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 10:54, 9 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I will  just  add that  Philippe Beaudette and Maggie Denneis from  the Wikimedia Foundation  are having  talks with User:Nitika.t, and I ,think  I  must  wait  before I  unblock. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 11:16, 9 October 2011 (UTC)


 * I am very happy to know that you understand the importance of this program. It means a lot to us here. As per the question of gathering the students together. I am the Campus Ambassador assigned to this class along with User:Ramshankaryadav. I will make sure that I get your message through to all the students. Even I wish you could give us a visit in order to encourage the students. Maybe something on Skype can be arranged. However, the problem is the deadlines for my college are approaching very fast. They are on the 14th of this month itself. Hence, I request you again with much urgency not to unblock the tainted user but please unblock the College Lab IP address as deserving student will also suffer. If this was just a regular IP, I wouldn't even have bothered much and just taken your opinion. But as this is the college IP, it is of high concern. Understand that it is imperative that this IP and only this IP, if you want, I'll give you the IP no. be unblocked again as this does not belong to any individual but the college. I give you my word that I am in touch with the other CA's and we are treating this matter with the highest of concerns. We are planning to not only talk directly to the students but from my side, I will go and personally talk to this user and I will not even tell you to unblock this guy until I am satisfied and until he can frame me in his own words his own article. But again, I implore to you, just unblock this IP for at least a period of few days, at least till the 14th. You may re-block it as per your wish but a temporary unblock. If you have any qualms about specific articles arising from the IEP that you find are of extremely low quality or are tainted with copyvios. Please revert to me. I shall personally go and talk to that user if the said user is under my supervision or I shall forward your qualms to the CA or OA or both who is supervising that student.
 * P.S. You were right about lunch time. Currently it is 20:07 in Pune, India. If possible, lift the I.P. block by 9:00 tomorrow as it will very difficult in the computer lab is offline. The students do have deadlines to meet. There is no point in punishing the whole college students, some of whom may be very deserving. As for the flooding issue. We are also trying to decrease the burden of the Online Admins but searching for copyvios ourselves, i.e. the Campus Ambassadors, check this out India Education Program/Courses/Fall 2011/Data Structures and Algorithms/Copyright Violations, India Education Program/Courses/Fall 2011/Economics of the Social Sector Year 2 Group A/Copyright Violations, India Education Program/Courses/Fall 2011/Indian Banking and Financial Systems Year 2 Group B/Copyright Violations.


 * --Debastein1 (talk) 14:50, 9 October 2011 (UTC)


 * To clarify here, "blocking" an IP doesn't make your computer lab offline, it doesn't even limit access to reading Wikipedia. What it does do is to stop further edits from the lab.
 * I can only speak personally here, not for Kudpung กุดผึ้ง or for WMF, but I would hope that the lab remains blocked and does not make any further edits until this is resolved. The work coming from the lab is just not acceptable here - I've read a lot of it, and it all consists of either copyvios or else very poor work, but I've really seen pretty much nothing that is of acceptable quality. It is not worth damaging the encyclopedia to let this stuff through. If your course requires that these edits are made before some deadline, then you need to fix your course instead - there is no educational value in work of this quality, whether it's done on the WMF's servers, or within the college itself. Teaching has to be better than this, if it's to be worthy of the name. Andy Dingley (talk) 14:59, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

- 	I'm sorry, but I'm not unblocking this IP until I hear back from the bosses at the WMF. It's not just about this user, it's about dozens of them who are producing copyvios, and adding copyvio material to existing articles. Even your ambassadors don't understand that in Western countries and under USA law we take copyright violations and plagiarism very seriously indeed. And even the consultant has been telling students how to evade their blocks. Yesterday I wrote to every one of your 40 ambassadors and it took me a long time. Please understand that there are no deadlines here at Wikipedia for new articles. If you have made a deadline for your students' work that is most unfortunately not our problem. Wikipedia is not an experimental place for doing homework. If you have Skype video I'm more than happy to discuss this with you. -Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 15:06, 9 October 2011 (UTC)


 * So I have checked out  all  the lists you  have provided. The big  problem  is  that  these are just  lists of candidates (and ambassadors) who  have made copyvios -  and it's only  the tip  of the iceberg. You  haven't  even given them  the proper warnings. They  will  not  listen to  you  or believe you  if you  don't  warn them  and teach them  properly. I  know the problems, I  have lived and taught  in  India. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 15:28, 9 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Hey Kudpung/Andy!
 * Guys, first of all I would like to clear that we are not promoting any kind of plagiarism and yes we know the importance of quality, we are doing our bit and reaching out to Students/Faculty/Directors and telling them about the gravity of this situation. We have already sent a very serious message that our community is not going to tolerate this, and I'm happy that you guys are doing what's required.
 * Regarding the blocking of IP, guys what we are suggesting is to block the user instead of IP, coz there are students who don't have computer/laptop/internet of their own and they use internet in college to write their articles and if you block the IP you are not only blocking the bad guys, but also lot of folks who have done no wrong, and these folks are putting sincere effort to writer articles. Our point is simply block the user coz user, We have given the list of user ids to Faculty, which means if this guy(bad) is blocked he's going to get penalized for his mistakes and that's okay. I once again request you to think through it, and try to understand our situation. Instead of fighting for problems let's focus on fixing it!
 * Regarding deadlines, folks the point of Wikipedia Education program is to institutionalize Wikipedia editing, I'm sure you know the issue of saturating editorship, what we are trying to achieve here is to create a new generation of editors. Deadlines being part of the curriculum is used as a tool for article creation, using them the students are evaluated. The evaluation or marks are the incentive to increase the editorship. The model works pretty well but has it's trade-offs and we are dealing with them now.


 * Guys we need your support to make this program a success, let's come together and fix the prevailing issues. Please put yourself in our shoes and think for a while how we can fix these issues and guide us if we are not doing what is supposed to be done.


 * Looking forward to your response on this.
 * Cheers,
 * 16:30, 9 October 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ramshankaryadav (talk • contribs)


 * There isn't really  much  we can do  from  here, we're already  very  busy  patrolling  the pages your students are making and tht's something  you  could be doing  yourselves. You  should make a note  in  your watchlists of all  the students'  user names and check their edits each  time one shows up on  your watchlist  page. You  guys are there in  real  life and able to  address the students personally  in  the classroom.  I'm  really  sorry  but we  are not  convinced by  your request  because the very  ambassadors who  are supposed to  be leading  this programme are unfortunately not  making  articles correctly  either. If  they  were to  spend less time sending  each  other kittens and cookies, perhaps the students would take things more seriously  too. I  have not  seen one single proper warning  on  the talk  pages of those students you  listed -  so  with  my  knowledge of education  in  India, I  know those students won't  take you  seriously. This block  will  send a serious message to  them  all, and I'll  repeat  that  if you  set  deadlines for work to  be done on  Wikipedia, that's really your problem  and not  ours. I'm  waiting  for an answer from  the WMF, if they  are happy  for me to  undo  this block, then of course I  will -  but  don't  forget  that  over there in  America, the weekend has just  started. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 16:44, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

I will  make this suggestion. It will  help  our  patrollers to  keep an eye out  for the wrong  kind  of new pages and edits, and it  will  help  us to  step  in with  help  for your students if they  need it. However, the responsibility lies with you, the ambassadors -  we cannot  bend the rules for your students, and they  will  be warned, deleted, or blocked, according  to  Wikipedia policy if they  have not  listened to  you: I think that  is a very  fair solution, but  I  will  remind you  that  if we have to  block  one more student, the IP  might  be blocked again. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 17:30, 9 October 2011 (UTC)
 * An offer
 * Please provide a complete list  of the user names of all the students and ambassadors on  this programme who  will  be editing  from the school  IP.
 * Let us have this list  by  10 am tomorrow, Monday, your time
 * I will unblock the IP
 * Blocked users will stay  blocked
 * Users must prepare new articles in  thei  sandboes or user sub pages
 * The ambassadors must watch the work  of the students and check  for pages that  are created but  where an article already  exists, pages that  contain  sentences taken from  other sources, pages that  are not  referenced correctly.
 * We will watch  the work  of all  those students and ambassadors and they  will  be warned for violations of policy  and blocked if necessary
 * We will  make small  edits and corrections to  the new pages, but  we will  tag  them  for attention (or deletion)  in  the normal  way


 * Hey Kudpung!
 * First of all I don't agree with your statements like "..that's your problem" regarding the deadlines, buddy we are just like you, working voluntarily for the success of this project. Deadlines concept was invented by the forefathers of this program and we CAs only adhere it, and yes we very well know the importance of it.
 * Regarding your offer, first of all thanks for it, the timeline you have given is not practical, it's 12:16 AM here in India and I'm not going to wake up and prepare a list for you for sure, but I can promise give me a couple of days and I'll surely give it to you!
 * One more thing, regarding the "Cookies" and "Kittens", we encourage our CAs to do that to bring people to wikipedia and encourage their contributions, the folks we are dealing with are of Facebook era and it takes some effort from our side to show the fun part of it, if you don't like it, I don't mind, but it doesn't mean we are not serious about this program, we are as serious as you guys are.
 * One last think, all you are doing by blocking the IPs is not just preventing folks from editing who have done no harm to it, but also giving a chance to bad folks to hinder the whole program, in fact you are somehow supporting them.
 * I also didn't like the way you said your last statement..."if we have to block one more student, the IP...", buddy I really thought you understand the situation, it's not possible for a handful of CAs to control 1000+ students, but if you do that we'll be back to square one.
 * Don't take anything personal, both of us share the same vision of free knowledge and we belong to the same community, and it's time to come together and help each other rather than pointing fingers.

Cheers,

Ram (talk • contribs) 19:06, 9 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Kudpung/Andy,
 * I understand your viewpoints but like Ram stated, instead of just discussing the problems, it is necessary to come up with a solution as this project is not just a project falling under Wikipedia Schools and Universities, but it is one supported by the Foundation and is an official and authentic program, same as that launched by the USA. Understand that we understand the extent of what Copyvio and Plagiarism in the USA. As for the context that all the articles coming out are of low quality, I would recommend you to see the contribs of the following articles and if at all that might give you a bit more hope about the program.
 * UML-based web engineering
 * UML extension mechanisms
 * Automotive design
 * Central Government Health Scheme
 * Jawaharlal Nehru National Urban Renewal Mission
 * Pulse Polio
 * 2007–present recession in the United States
 * Debt of developing countries
 * Environmental resources management
 * Land acquisition in India
 * Human capital
 * Social preference
 * Socio-economic issues in India
 * Credit Control
 * Innovations in Indian Banking System

'''
 * And not to forget the star performer from the IEP,
 * Robinson Crusoe Economy'''


 * And not only have these articles come into effect in a short span of time, but most of the users initially were blocked by admins for copyvios. But instead of just blocking and threatening them, the admins, decided to help them along. And along with the CA's, OA's and the admins, these articles remain on Main space still. I myself am very new to Wikipedia and I understand the concept and seriousness of copyvios. Its very important to stop the bad people. But you should never discourage the good people.


 * As per Blocking policy,
 * Blocks should not be punitive,
 * Blocks should not be used:
 * 1. in retaliation against users; (you have blocked the IP because the user in question has not stopped plagiarism. Block the user, why do you block the whole IP. Do you have proof that all the users editing from this IP are conducting repeat copyvios?)
 * 2. to disparage other users; (here you can never block an IP saying the contributions are worthless, as per policy. If the contibs are valid, you have to allow them.
 * 3. as punishment against users, or, (you are punishing other users, but blocking their right and freedom to edit on Wiki..You are not just blocking one said user but loads of them, again against policy)

Administrators should take special care when dealing with new users. Beginning editors are often unfamiliar with Wikipedia policy and convention, and so their behavior may initially appear to be disruptive. Responding to these new users with excessive force can discourage them from editing in the future. See Do not bite the newcomers.

Block lengths
Blocks should be based on the protection of Wikipedia rather than the punishment of offenders. Most IP addresses should not be blocked more than a few hours, since the malicious user will probably move on by the time the block expires. If there is persistent disruption or vandalism from an IP address, the block should be extended (with the 'anon-only' option selected) as long as is necessary to prevent further disruption. (Hence, understand that by blocking the IP, you will not be preventing this user from creating more copyvios, he can just go to a cyber cafe or something if he so wishes. But what you will be doing is discouraging other students.) See Blocking IP addresses for more.

Shared IP addresses
Before implementing a long-term block on an IP address with a long history of vandalism, please check if it is shared by performing a WHOIS and Reverse DNS lookup query on the IP address to determine if it belongs to a school or an ISP. If a Shared IP address' talk page is not already identified or tagged as such, use either the SharedIP, Shared IP edu, or any one of the templates at Category:Shared IP header templates to do so. For anonymous-only blocks of Shared IP Addresses, please consider using anonblock or schoolblock as your blocking reason as it causes less offence to innocent users. (We are telling you that this is a college IP. Block anonymous users from editing if you must, but don't discourage the ones who want to do good.)

As per the information you requested it is already available at India Education Program. Please, let us come together and try to come out with a solution rather than resolve to just threatening by blocking. Especially Kudpung, you are an OA yourself. Please help us in this regard. We also want to protect Wikipedia but that doesn't mean we discourage contributions in fear of Copyvios. If its Copyvios, remove it and penalize the specific student, we are already working on that. Why uselessly penalize all the students who might end up with good contribs that improve Wikipedia.

Regards, Debastein1 (talk) 18:52, 9 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Thankyou for your explanation of basic Wikipedia policy.
 * Another principle at WP is called "Other stuff exists" or WP:OSE. This means that issues are examined on the basis of their own scope and overall policy & practice, not by extension from other articles. : So the issue remains that the engineering project here has demonstrably been rife with problems and unblocking depends on showing that these can be protectively avoided in the future.
 * Is there an issue here that is specific to engineering? Engineering seems to have had the most problems, CompSci to have had some lesser issues with acceptable articles that were perhaps more suitable for Wikibooks, rather than Wikipedia. Yet Economics in contrast seems to have fared better. If Robinson Crusoe is so good, does that have a reason behind it that we can discover and learn from? Were the economics articles produced by students with some different pre-briefing or supervision structure?
 * As to the exemplar articles listed, I took a look at a few of them. UML-based web engineering and UML extension mechanisms are sadly far from good articles, mostly for being composed of phrases pasted together with little concern for the end result. Can anyone honestly read these and claim to understand the topic afterwards? I have some decades of experience with UML and similar modelling techniques, yet still found them almost entirely unreadable. I don't wish to make any more detailed comment, as my time is limited, but these are hardly "good" articles. Automotive design is rather better and certainly more readable - yet a moment's checking shows that it was written months ago, before this college project, and the only addition since is this short addition - an addition that once again is very poorly written and adds nothing to the overall article. It is inaccurate, or at least outdated (how many automobiles still use a chassis?), and misses the whole point of the article - it's a description of the components of the overall assembly, not any sort of design process. It also has that "signature" of recent articles, the numbered list of fragmentary points that has all too often been an indication of copy & paste. I cannot claim that this is a copyvio, I simply don't have the time to check this to the levels of proof that I'm required to meet, but this is not a positive or useful addition to the article. If it wasn't for the risk of again being accused of punitive editing, I would remove the section. Wishing to check further I looked at Human capital and found that this too was a good article, but that had achieved that state some months ago and doesn't appear to have been changed at all in the scope of this project.
 * Blocking is out of my hands - I have no powers here, as a mere peon. I would hope though that the block is not lifted until after the underlying issue is addressed. "We have a right" and "We have a deadline" are neither issues that WMF should ever prioritise over the basic bottom-line quality we all have to maintain. Andy Dingley (talk) 21:37, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

It's 6 am and I'm  back  at  my  office here in  Udon  Thani. During the night I  have discussed this problem  with  the WMF who  have  already been  taking  the situation  very  seriously. They will  be having  a meeting  with  the controllers of the India programme today (but  remember that  America is many  hours behind us).
 * Reply from  Kudpung

The offer to you  has been based on:
 * Avoiding doing anything  that  puts the encyclopedia at  risk
 * Doing something  that  encourages editors to undersgtand basic policy and the five pillars of Wikipedia
 * Doing something  that  discourages editors from  contributing to  the encyclopedia
 * Wikipedia is a work in  progress, - there are no  deadlines for new articles
 * The automated bot  for tracing  copyvios in  new pages is broken
 * The English Wikipedia dos not currently  have the capacity of volunteers to  patrol all pages that  might  come from  your IP -  not  enough  new page patrollers
 * This banner may  encourage  other Wikipedians to  devote some time to  improving the articles, but  it  will  have no  effect  on  the administrative decisions. The same rules for reversion, deletion, and blocking  apply  to  everyone and no  exceptions can be made.

The offer you have been made is a fair one. If you can't  get  the information  out  to  the students and ambassadors or send me the list  of users names of students by  10 am  your time, that's fine -  we can wait  until you  do. I will be at  my  computer all  day  today and I  will unblock  the IP as soon  as you  have the details. You can of course wait  until  the WMF  has had their meeting  with  the organisers of the India programme, but  that  will  take a little longer. Please understand that we cannot  make any exceptions to  Wikipedia policy. To do  so  would set a precedent and would put  the content  of our encyclopedia at  risk. You may  wish  to  point  the sudents and tha ambassadors oat  one of  the Five Pillars of Wikipedia: "Wikipedia is free content that anyone can edit, use, modify, and distribute.: Respect copyright laws, and do not plagiarize your sources. Non-free content is allowed under fair use, but strive to find free alternatives to any media or content that you wish to add to Wikipedia. Since all your contributions are freely licensed to the public, no editor owns any article; all of your contributions can and will be mercilessly edited and redistributed."

I appreciate that   a few new articles have not  been deleted, and I  thank  Andy  Dingley  for his input. If you have any  urgent  questions, I  am  available all  day  and you  are welcome to  video-call  me. For your further information: Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 00:54, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
 * UML-based web engineering I have detected over 77 possibly paraphrased or copied sentences  but  the article not yet  fully  checked for  more. I  am  now checking  the other articles.
 * Thank you KudPung for making that banner, I will make sure that I put it up on the Wikipedia Articles which my students are editing. Another thing, can you ensure I do not get banned for that, because if I put this banner up on like 10+ articles that will lead some of the admins to think that this is vandalism. Mihir.khatwani (talk) 06:44, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

More possible copyright violations
College of Engineering Pune.: UML extension mechanisms: close paraphrasing of www.cs.ucl.ac.uk/staff/ucacwxe/lectures/3C05-02.../aswe15-essay.pdf

Automotive designvery minor contribution  by  user:Poojanemade. This Wikipedia article was created in 2005. Unattributed use of the complete  Wikipedia article by executivemodcartrendz.com/Replica-Car-About-Us.html

Central Government Health Scheme This Wikipedia article was created in 2005.. Significantly edited by  User:Devikakannan possible copies of text  from  http://www.ovguide.com/central-government-health-scheme-9202a8c04000641f8000000000778cf7#  and mohfw.nic.in/.../l892s/Chapter14medical%20relie-51096836.pdf mohfw.nic.in/.../l892s/Chapter14medical%20relie-51096836.pdf File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - Quick View Facilities of outpatient care in all systems and emergency services in Allopathic system, free supply of necessary drugs, lab and radiological investigations, domiciliary visits to the seriously ill patients, specialists consultation both at the dispensary and hospital level, family welfare services, treatment in specialized hospitals, ...

Jawaharlal Nehru National Urban Renewal Mission This Wikipedia article was created in 2005. Significantly edited by User:Debastein1 Content  includezs a block  of 2032 words and a block  of 982 words from http://www.enotes.com/topic/Jawaharlal_Nehru_National_Urban_Renewal_Mission  and a blocks of 2032 words 	and http://www.slideshare.net/sarangvk/indian-economy-2030-mgi-report

2007–present recession in the United States possible copy of text  from http://www.scribd.com/doc/7480461/US-Recession-and-Its-Impact-on-India, but  tis PowerPopint  may  have copied text  from  Wikipedia.

Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 03:09, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

Speedy Deletion on established article
Kudpung, I'm having difficulties with an editor who is trying to speedy delete an article, Aziz Shavershian, under the fact that the person has no notability --- the article is clearly established, and this user is just doing so cause a fuss...please take a look, asap! Thank you! -- MelbourneStar☆ (talk to me) 11:25, 9 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Being established doesn't make an article exempt from speedy deletion. But that article isn't eligible for A7 anyway, given the assertions it makes in the lead and the sources it has to back them up. The angry IP address will just have to take it to AfD. Don't bother edit warring with them to take off notability tags or even speedy tags. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 12:08, 9 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Other than the string of vandalism-edits this article has been getting, since it was made, the article itself is fully referenced, and passes notability - 11 / 19 sources are from mainstream news outlets (Ninemsn, The Sydney Morning Herald, The Daily Telegraph, NowPublic) - Now even though this article cops a lot of vandalism, this speedy del. template has just guttered me. I know the Ip who's made those 3 edits (adding the sp del on the article multi. times) had done it intentionally, it still makes me think that I'm not appreciated here. I've tried so hard with this article, really - just to get slapped with a speedy deletion tag. Do I ignore it? or take it further? -- MelbourneStar☆ (talk to me) 12:12, 9 October 2011 (UTC)


 * It's rarely easy or constructive to take things further with IP addresses (and it looks like this guy is changing IP every half hour anyway). If it's blatant vandalism and it continues, requesting semi-protection for the article at WP:RFPP would probably be the best option. But you're taking it too personally. If the speedy tag stays, an admin sees it and should decline it. If the admin goes bananas for some reason and doesn't decline it, then we go to WP:DRV. All of this can be fixed easily enough, since the article is clearly not deleteable under A7, and (as far as I can see) clearly demonstrates notability, to the extent an AfD would close as Keep. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 12:17, 9 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Made me feel a lot more calm about things, Thank You. WP:RFPP, I think would actually be the best thing to do, for the article. I swear I need to take things a little less seriously, and tell myself it's just an article, just an article.Thank you! -- MelbourneStar☆ (talk to me) 12:22, 9 October 2011 (UTC)


 * I've semi-protected the page for two weeks. If  persists after then, let me know. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 12:24, 9 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Thank you Kudpung! I just saw the protection now - trusting me to request something, I probably would have asked for the wrong thing, or just something wouldn't have worked out. Anyway thank you very much! the both of you, truly appreciate it. -- MelbourneStar☆ (talk to me) 12:25, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

My Article about me got deleted
Hello my Name Is Fawaz Ibrahim i am currently going to be a star, im in the making sort of. Im just wondering why did my article get deleted ? and how can i bring it back ?

Sincerely Fawaz Irahim11:52, 9 October 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by FawazIbrahim (talk • contribs)


 * My suggestion is that you finish becoming a star first, and once you've done that, write your article at WP:Articles for Creation, starting with details of the independent reliable sources (newspapers and magazines are good) that have given significant coverage to your stardom.


 * Better still, when you become a star, someone else will write an article about you! --Demiurge1000 (talk) 12:12, 9 October 2011 (UTC)


 * I should also have mentioned, if you need a copy of your deleted article to work on, then Kudpung can probably provide one, if you ask. But the article can't be published until you can demonstrate significant coverage in indepedent reliable sources. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 12:23, 9 October 2011 (UTC)


 * It's rather a nice page and it's a shame in fact  that  it  can't  be kept, but  we do  have our  rules about  notability. In  the meantime however, as you  now know how to  make pages, perhaps you  would like to  try  hand at  making  a page about  something  truly  notable -  preferably in  your user space first  where it won't  be deleted, and fully  referenced of course.  There's plenty of help  available :) Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 12:34, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

IEP and CAs.
Hello User:Kudpung once again, as other CAs along with me are following couple of issues since past few days, we have been monitoring couple of talk pages, and your's and everyone else's message to handle the situation. So we wanted to know that which all Campus Ambassador's page have been deleted under copyvio, so that we can get in touch with them again and clear their doubts pertaining to Copyrights. I am aware that you are already under much burden, but it would be great if you could point those CAs now if possible. Thanks. Rangilo Gujarati ( talk ) 13:38, 9 October 2011 (UTC)


 * All 40 ambassadors have already been contacted with a request  to  be aware of the situation,  and linked to  the relative discussion  pages.


 * Hi Kudpung!
 * I second Rangilo's thoughts, once we have the list of CA's who are not aware of it, we'll reach out and fix this issue asap. Please be kind to provide the list asap. Cheers, Ram (talk • contribs) 13:43, 9 October 2011 (UTC)


 * All 40 ambassadors have already been contacted with a request  to  be aware of the situation,  and linked to  the relative discussion  pages. They  will  know if their pages have been deleted or tagged for deletion. The problems are now being  discussed by  the WMF. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 13:45, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

Requesting Help
Hi Kudpung, You recently nominated my article 'Darjeeling TeaXpress' for speedy deletion. Could you please give me pointers on how to ensure that is is not. I am not in any way affiliated with the company. I tried my best to ensure it's neutrality. Can you give me any assistance? Thank you.

Looking forward to your reply, Nicholas.


 * Hi Nicholas. I'm  afraid that  although  it's neutral, it's still  advertising  because Wikipedia is not  a trade directory, and your company  does nor meet our  criteria for notability. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 14:44, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

Reply
Sorry I missed your talkbacks, haven't been on in a while. I replied above! Jayy008 (talk) 20:07, 9 October 2011 (UTC)


 * I'm gone again now for another 24 hours, or maybe a little less. I will reply as soon as I return. Jayy008 (talk) 20:13, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

Equestria Daily
A new deletion review has been created regarding an article you've recently discussed. Dr. WTF (talk) 20:27, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

dom&nic page
Hi Kudpung

Thanks for your message. Yes I had seen the dom and nic page and thought it was a little empty and missing a few facts. I am Dom Hawley from dom and nic, so I tried to improve the info about us. I admit that I am completely new to wikipedia editing and therefore jumped in a little too quickly it seems. I have learned a lot in the last week and understand why it is probably not a good idea to edit pages about ones self for obvious COI issues. I did however created the dom&nic page in good faith. Not understanding how things work I didn't want to mess with an article that someone else had started. I realise that is a rather dumb now as working on existing pages is exactly how wikipedia works! (in a good way). I just wanted to add some stuff to proceedings as I obviously know a lot of stuff first hand that would probably never make it to the article otherwise all of which is verifiable with references (if you know what you are looking for). I am fully aware dom&nic do not have that great a notoriety compared with Stephen Spielberg for example and therefore there will be limited interest and limited knowledge amongst the editors out there about us. We have however done lots of work with lots of talented and notable artists and organisations. Anyway I think it would be good if the pages were merged (not sure how that happens). I do appreciate the work of yourself and other wikipedia editors out there. It is an amazing resource and I am going to try and lend my services in areas that I have knowledge about but no vested interest in! Kind regardsDomley (talk) 21:09, 9 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Hi Dom. We'll let  the AfD run  it's course. I  have added a  comment  that  I  think  merging  would be a good idea. If  the consensus is for moving  and not  for deletion, the closing  admin  might  make the move. If  not  please let  me know. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 10:53, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

CSD
Hello Kudpung, I've been tagging a few articles for G12, but there's an admin going around blanking all the copyvios that I've tagged. If this person's actions are valid, why should CSD need G12? BTW, for A9, I tried my best to understand it, and when I saw an article about a song (as opposed to the confusing "musical recording"), whose creator didn't have an article, I placed it up for SD. Please understand that I'm only in the business for less than a month, and I'm still learning. Sp33dyphil "Ad astra" 22:31, 9 October 2011 (UTC)


 * My understanding (and remember I do this less than you do :P) is that if an article is unsalvageable after removing the copyvio material, then that's when G12 is applicable. So if it just doesn't make any sense at all after removing the copyvio, even as a stub ("Bob Smith is a conductor from Brazil. He was worked with the Funky Fresh Philharmonic Orchestra") then it's G12. But if it's still remotely useable as an article, then it's not G12.


 * A9 is still not for songs... even despite our culture's apparent inability to understand, define, or remember the difference between a song, a performance and a recording. And yeah, I find it confusing too. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 22:43, 9 October 2011 (UTC)


 * This may be a tall order, but  can you  give me some examples of where people have been unable to  differentiate between 'song' as in  a song  that  is anchored in  culture and perhaps covered by  multiple artists (historical  folk songs, school songs, famous songs by  the Beatles whos today's generations don't  even know who  recorded them first), and songs that  are one  track  on  one artist's/band's recorded media. (tape, MP3, CD, DVD, vivyl, etc.). This may  be impotratant  for the people who  are developing  tools and tutorials for NPP.  Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 00:52, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

IEP Student List
Hello KudPung, I was going through your talk page and saw that you requested RAM for a list of students in IEP. I have prepared a list of the students in my class. LIST. Mihir.khatwani (talk) 06:50, 10 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Thank you  very  much  for this, Mihir.  Do  you  know if  there are other classes concerned? What  about  all  the students with  'tech' or 'mech'  in  their  names? I  also  do  not  see User:Aishvora on  the list  for example. How about  the list  of ambassadors, can you  get  me that  too? Everything  you  can do  will  help. Many  thanks indeed. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 10:01, 10 October 2011 (UTC)


 * User:Aishvora is not in the COAM class that is why his/her name is not present.Yes we have a list of Campus Ambassadors easily Available I will make a list of them as well and post. BTW all the CA names and usernames are available on WP:IEP and then the Campus Ambassador Tab. Mihir.khatwani (talk) 11:54, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
 * How many classes and faculties are involved in  this project  in  Pune? Do they  have classrooms/lecture rooms equipped with  overhead projectors or IA whiteboards? --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 12:33, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Do you  have an idea why  User:Aniketam.mech is not  on  the list? Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 14:15, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
 * And User talk:Sujeetsalunke93.mech who  is now damaging  our featured Articles?  Why are they  not  affected by  the IP block? Do  you  have any  idea? --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 16:40, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

Welding
The inevitable now seems to be happening. 8-( Andy Dingley (talk) 16:20, 10 October 2011 (UTC)


 * yep - somthing else to  talk  about  at  the conference tonight! --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 16:34, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
 * What a mess! As if the WMF doesn't have their head buried far enough in the sand (as I pointed out to Maryana elsewhere); I'm not entirely sure what they thought was going to happen here.  I've helped in the cleanup of some Indian village articles written by Indian editors, and I could have seen this coming from miles away.  I've gotten to be fairly good at tracking down copyright issues, and I have a feeling that might be a useful talent here; I'm not an ambassador, but I'd be happy to try to help out in some form. The Blade of the Northern Lights  ( 話して下さい ) 02:40, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

Templates and such
Since we've been discussing warning templates on MediaWiki.org, I thought I'd let you know that the third round of templates we'll be A/B testing this week are up on-wiki:


 * 1) uw-test1-rand
 * 2) uw-delete1-rand
 * 3) uw-npov1-rand
 * 4) uw-unsor1-rand
 * 5) uw-error1-rand
 * 6) uw-blank1-rand
 * 7) uw-spam1-rand
 * 8) uw-bio1-rand
 * 9) uw-attack1-rand

We're in contact with Addshore, and the Huggle devs in general are aware of the tests. Based on the last two tests, we'll get statistically significant amounts of application in about a week. If you have any comments or questions, I'm watching the respective template talk pages. Just for reference, our last results and thoughts on next steps are here. <span style="font-family:Palatino, Georgia, serif;">Steven Walling (WMF) &bull; talk   23:30, 10 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Hi Steve. I'm  not  affected by  this because Huggle is not  available to  the thousands of Mac users. I'm  more concerned with  rewording  templates to  lower the bite for good faith  new editors, and to  make the vandals understand that  we don't  tolerate gratuitous interference with  the encyclopedia. For the work  I'm  currently  engaged on, where Twinkle is an essential tool,  I  would prefer to  see more development on  rewording  some of our current  uw templates -  which I  had already  started doing - from  the point  of view of the people who  receive the warnings rather than from  that  of those who  write them,  and the patrollers who  use them. AFAICS, uw template development is generally  discussed by  a very  small  interest  group, who  do  not  appear to  appreciate the comments from, or be helpful to, those who  are not  regular participants to  their discussions.   There are three essential  ingredients to  template design:  Knowledge of human communication, knowledge of php., and an understanding  of the reasons for the uw templates and the people who  receive them.  What  discussion  pages are you  watching? There are several.
 * That said, you  may  be interested in  looking  through these two  pages:
 * User:Kudpung/Custom talk page messages
 * User:Kudpung/My frequently used tags & templates.
 * These pages were originally designed for my  own use and have not  been communicated to  anyone yet, so  their format  may  not  readily  be understood by  many.(talk) 00:42, 11 October 2011 (UTC)


 * I meant the talk pages of the individual templates, if you had feedback about their content. Thank you for pointing us to your personal documentation on this issue -- it's most helpful! <span style="font-family:Palatino, Georgia, serif;">Steven Walling (WMF) &bull; talk   01:24, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

Quick question on Citation.
Hi Kudpung, I recently added an article "Jenny Wheeler", which I was told that it will be deleted because correct references/citation could not be found. I have the clippings of news papers from 1988 and 1994. is it possible to upload those scans of newspapers somewhere so the correct references can be cited. Appreciate your help. I am still learning to find my way around Wikipedia. Thanks heaps SamKamani (talk) 04:02, 11 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Hi Sam. The best  place to  seek advice on  this is with  the experts at  the Reliable sources noticeboard. Happy  editing! --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 04:09, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

Cartoon Phase
Hi, I am working on fixing the issue and adding some sources, please give me some time, thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Edwin lo (talk • contribs) 10:54, 11 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Unfortunately, you have a history  of creating  inappropriate pages. You  will  have seven days to  improve this one according  to  policy. Good luck! --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 10:59, 11 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Thanks, that is perfect. I understand where you're coming from. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Edwin lo (talk • contribs) 10:12, 12 October 2011 (UTC)


 * All you really need to  do  is follow the links in  the welcome message on your talk  page, and the links in  the various other notices and you'll  be fine. The main  thing  to  bear in  mid is that  the subject  must  be notable and all  information  must  be  sourced. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 10:41, 12 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Additional note: Another admin has now deleted this as an obvious hoax, and you  have been given a final  warning about  creating  inappropriate pages. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 16:14, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

dom&nic Merge
Hi Kudpung

Thanks the pages have been merged. Best regardsDomley (talk) 11:39, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

Advice
Thanks for your advice - I've opted in. Cloudbound (talk) 14:07, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

India Education Program Students list for SSE
Hi Kudpung!

I've created a page for the list of students in Symbiosis School of Economics, the institute whose IP got banned by you. You can see the users at following link:

WP:India Education Program/Students

I would like to thank you for unblocking the IP.

Cheers,

Ram (talk • contribs) 15:07, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

screencasts
Hi Kudpung! If you have a Mac, the easiest way to make screencasts is to use Quicktime, which (only on OS X) has a built-in screen recording feature. For Linux, the best thing I've found is GTK-recordmydesktop. I know a lot of people use Camtasia for Windows (and for Mac, if you want more advanced options), and I think it's free within a trial period but costs a moderate amount after that. Hope that helps.--ragesoss (talk) 02:18, 12 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Hi. Thanks for this. I naturally  know about  Q-Time but  AFAIK only  Q-Time Pro  does this and it  has to  be paid for. I'll  be looking  into  the others. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 02:26, 12 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Hi Kudpung. You don't need Q-time Pro. Screen recording is the third option on the File menu (in my version anyway). If you have Snow leopard or Leopard (not Lion) you can use VLC Player as well. &mdash; Oli OR Pyfan! 10:43, 12 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank you enormously  Oli! I  must  be either completely  dumb  or just  getting  too  old -  I've been using Snow Leopard since it  was released and never noticed.   Q-Time  recordings work  perfectly - you've no  idea what  a big problem  you've solved for me. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 11:11, 12 October 2011 (UTC)
 * You're Welcome. :) &mdash; Oli OR Pyfan! 11:19, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

Patroller list
Kudpung, per your request please see New pages patrol/patrollers/10+ for a list of editors who have marked at least 10 articles as patrolled since January 1, 2011. <b style="white-space:nowrap;text-shadow:#000 0em 0em 0.4em,#00a -0.2em -0.2em 0.4em,#a00 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;color:#ddd">&mdash;SW&mdash;</b> chatter 22:24, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

Moshik Roth
Hello, as a fellow administrator in the Hebrew wikipedia I was surprised to see the speedy deletion on this article. As I am not so familiar with the English wikipedia could you please explain the reason for the speedy deletion mark. Thank you and a happy Sukkot! --Yoavd (talk) 14:52, 13 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Hi. The page has several issues. Firstly, it's not  clear if it  is about  the person  or about  his restaurants. In  either case, we're very  strict  here on  requiring  adequate establishment  of WP:NOTABILITY which  must  meet our criteria for WP:BLP (living persons) or WP:ORG for companies. Both  must  meet general  notability at  WP:GNG The fact  that  he got  32 Mitchelin  stars may  mean that  he is notable, but  it must  be asserted by  sufficient  press coverage in  WP:RELIABLE SOURCES. If  you  can meet these criteria, it  would be fine,,  so I  have  removed the CSD  and convert ited  to  a PROD.  That  will  give you  7 days to  find reliable sources. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 15:04, 13 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank you! --Yoavd (talk) 05:53, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

Use of PRODBLP
Hi!

I saw that you nominated Victoriano López García for deletion using PRODBLP. As it happened, the article was deleted as it was a copyright violation of this page - the text was copied in its entirety. Did you mean to use the PRODBLP tag on it, as the article did point out that the subject was dead? Stephen! Coming... 16:27, 13 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Hmm...,Obviously a very  rare slip  of a mouse.  The stub  did not  carry  the obvious signs of copyvio so  I did not  do  a Google search  and Duplication  Detector on  it. I'm mainly  concerned with  BLPs and Adverttising, which I  generally  delete with out  bothering to  tag when I  find uncontroversially  blatant  copyvio, for example,  or a child's autobio. . No  spilt  milk. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 03:52, 14 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Mouse slips - the curse of Wikipedians everywhere! Only the other day I accidentally gave the reason for deleting a page as G11 (spam) instead of G10 (attack).  As for the above article, I wouldn't have noticed it as copyvio except someone had tagged it as such for speedy.  Cheers for pointing me in the direction of those tools - I'll check them out when I get a few spare minutes. Stephen! Coming... 10:46, 14 October 2011 (UTC)