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Guilty Gear characters
I believe in all of the GG characters, only Bridget (Guilty Gear) is notable. Sol Badguy may be not also. GlatorNator (ᴛ) 11:15, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
 * I'm inclined to agree, I'd love to see an article on Faust done well but I don't think the meat is there. Guilty Gear has always been stupid niche, and hell until recent events I'd argue even Bridget would've gone under.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 11:32, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
 * I thought being a trans helps her notability, but I guess maybe not. GlatorNator  (ᴛ) 11:36, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Oh nah you misunderstand, that did. Just beforehand she was more niche. People knew of the character but didn't say much.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 11:37, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
 * I see. What about Kiriko (Overwatch) and Pharah notability? GlatorNator  (ᴛ) 11:48, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Honestly speaking? Probably not. If you AfD'd one they should end up merged. Overwatch still has a good number of characters that are likely notable (Zarya, Tracer, D.Va, Mercy, Mei, possibly Brigitte?). The main problem with Overwatch articles is they're being written discussing the characters as gameplay elements in the context of Overwatch, not as fictional characters or why they matter as such. Sometimes that'd still work, like how Mei was used for trolling or Mercy leading to discussions about healing characters. But you still need to talk about the character themselves.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 11:54, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Makes sense, good to know. Articles for deletion/Pharah has now began. GlatorNator  (ᴛ) 12:07, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
 * I think you handled all the OW characters well except Doomfist and Hanzo (Overwatch) not sure if theyre notable but Ill be surprised if they're not. GlatorNator  (ᴛ) 23:36, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Doomfist is definitely...yeah. There might be some notability in discussions about him as a character but I haven't found them. Hanzo's a bit of an odd case though: you can see a real world reaction based off how he plays, so some of his gameplay is notable. But that's still a smaller aspect to discussing him as a character. I guess a good way to look at it is look how Rugal Bernstein's reception section is written, where he's being discussed for his absurd difficulty (to the point freaking Mexico fears him), but it not only bleeds into his character but there's discussion about him *as* a fictional character and what he represents in fighting game. That might be workable into Hanzo. If I was working on that article I'd also try to see more too how that fan fiction ties into him as a character: did it get popular because "well written yaoi" or was there an aspect of his character people enjoyed that a journalist commented on (which is what's needed when it comes to discussing fan works.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 00:08, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
 * I believe we forgotten Symmetra and Soldier 76. Thou, I believe the latter is notable including Shadowmaker. 50/50 on Symmetra. GlatorNator  (ᴛ) 12:18, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Yeah, but that's a meal for when we get there. I honestly didn't enjoy afd-ing those articles but I feel like they would've been deadlocked otherwise.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 12:32, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Yeah, because of Overwatch popularity. Anyway, lets not waste our time on Overwatch articles now. It'll be last. GlatorNator  (ᴛ) 12:33, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Also why the heck you out here trying to retire?--Kung Fu Man (talk) 00:27, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Next 2 weeks, im about to study my board exam. I have fear that the Merchant GAN wouldnt be starting yet. GlatorNator  (ᴛ) 10:20, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
 * I'll handle that when it comes down, don't worry. I want to see that article succeed.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 10:23, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
 * KFM, glad I met you because of Afds lol. I just wanted to say that... thank you for helping me for ex. like (Merchant (Resident Evil), I thought that article wasn't possible to turn into GA, but you made it.  GlatorNator  (ᴛ) 13:46, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

Reply to Characters of Overwatch talk page comment
''This is a reply to your most recent response to me on the Kiriko merge discussion. I'm including it here instead of there, because it's almost entirely unrelated to Kiriko (I've included the section that is over there, but I also wanted to reply to your other comments without defocusing that convo about Kiriko):''

That's fine. More like conversation about a recently revealed character? I mean does the proximity to release make the commentary any less legitimate, or any less emblematic of significant coverage? Because if not, then it would seem to me that that passes the benchmark set by editing policies and guidelines.

I do have an excel spreadsheet with article ideas I have, and the more fleshed out ones have references accompanied. I don't know if that's what would be considered a link repository, but a lot of times (almost always pre-2022) I also just create pages directly on here and go from scratch, searching for sources in other tabs.

Really cool to hear that about Bastion. I mean there's 57 sources on the last version of that article prior to its redirect to Characters of Overwatch. So even if literally 0 of them are considered "sigcov" by other editors, and even if we were to remove the sourcing discussing reception on gameplay elements that you don't see as helping demonstrate significance past the character's in-game context, there's still more than ample of what I would call supplemental sourcing that can be a good supporting cast to build around stand-out sourcing. Either way, I think once the current wave of these taggings get cleared up with on Kiriko and Sombra, I'm going to lessen my involvement on VG character articles. I guess this is open to change, but I'm anticipating less free time in the next few weeks to edit either way, and I like to mainly add to articles in terms of content and sourcing (as well as reference filling, making/adding categories and templates, etc). I don't often get involved in talk page+wikipedia talk page discussions (aside from maybe asking about a source's reliability over on WP:VG/RS every once in a while) and my recent (uncharacteristically frequent) involvement in them has been because of VG-area articles that I have contributed to being tagged with serious notability concerns I felt needed to be addressed. I think that's been taking away time I could be sleeping editing an actual article. And I know I'm able to be helpful with that. And it's not like it's anyone's fault but my own, so I'd rather just hold myself to do what would least contentious for others and most enjoyable for me.

Agree that Winston has become a lost cause, but maybe eventually like with Bastion perhaps (and maybe we should re-look at Genji being recreated at some point). And I do think the Zarya one can stand-alone, agreeing with what you said. I think post-launch characters mostly did have the problem you are mentioning. Except for maybe Sombra, Brigitte, Doomfist, Wrecking Ball, and Kiriko, and maaaybe Moira (though given the discussions on them, that's obviously a mixed bag there). Best wishes Soulbust (talk) 06:22, 31 May 2023 (UTC)


 * "I'm going to lessen my involvement on VG character articles" Mostly only on Overwatch articles that has been scrutinized because of their niche popularity. GlatorNator  (ᴛ) 10:07, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Folks please do not fight on my talk page, I have been up all night working on a gay birb.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 10:16, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
 * No its not a "fight", I just want to say that I don't want Soulbust to avoid editing VG articles because of the recent scrutinized articles from Overwatch. GlatorNator  (ᴛ) 10:27, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Ah okay I think it came across wrong Glator. It's all good, honestly Soulbust and I have very different editing styles, but I think we worked together well on Pharah. We're probably gonna butt heads on Sombra though, don't see that surviving.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 10:30, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
 * GlatorNator, I'm just gonna probably edit the VG character articles less often. I'm still gonna edit VG topics in general, and sometimes I'll edit character articles. Just probably wont even be able to too much in the next few weeks bc of non-Wikipedia responsibilities. It's all good.
 * I think the Sombra one will ultimately be fine. I probably wont involve myself too much more with that one tbh. But especially if we can include a condensed section of the ARG, I don't see how the Sombra article wouldn't be able to satisfy GNG as a stand-alone character but we'll cross that bridge when we get there I suppose. Best wishesSoulbust (talk) 16:26, 1 June 2023 (UTC)
 * The problem is she doesn't gain notability from the ARG, it doesn't tie into her character itself but the promotion around it, which fits more into the game dev. Have you tried looking for sources that discuss her as a latino character in video games? That may turn up something.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 22:08, 1 June 2023 (UTC)
 * I found a few. I incorporated a Rock Paper Shotgun (by Natalie Flores) source into the article, and included another CBR source in the refideas.
 * I've also further added to the Kiriko article, with these new additions being mainly to the Reception section, and I think these edits warrant some genuine reconsideration toward merging sentiment.
 * Best wishes, Soulbust (talk) 08:24, 2 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Some thoughts: maybe remove the gameplay section from reception, and minimize other references discussing gameplay. Her gameplay is just not notable enough to warrant discussion and it hurts the section a little due to the size. Try to see too if there's any references that you feel aren't contributing as much and work them out. It'll help you reduce accusations of RefBombing.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 09:43, 2 June 2023 (UTC)
 * I'll see what I can do but i don't get why you're saying her gameplay isn't notable enough to warrant discussion (I'm assuming you mean discussion in the reception section). There seems to be a lot of referencing on her gameplay and how the devs designed her thinking about how to basically make a support character that DPS players would like. That seems like her gameplay is notable, and reception on it should be considered and discussed even a bit in that section. But I'll see what I can rework Soulbust (talk) 10:05, 2 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Just give it a shot. Generally in my pov, gameplay tends to not be important to cite reception for unless the character's gameplay is somehow particularly notable, something that stands out beyond the scope of the game, and Kiriko's still mainly fits inside. I think if you can pull that out of there, with the sources you have, you might be able to tighten it into a more presentable reception section, especially if you lean into those two large refs discussing her as a stereotype.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 10:28, 2 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Okay I've removed gameplay discussion from the reception section. I don't necessarily agree with a character's gameplay needing to be exceptionally or particularly notable outside of the context of the game but I can agree that in the case for Kiriko, the stuff I removed (or moved to other sections) is more of a gameplay technical analysis than critical reception or discussion (similar to those player profile section on athletes' pages I mentioned over on the WP:VG talk page). Or at least it can be reworked so that it can be presented as more of a technical assessment in related gameplay sections as opposed to being presented as critical discussion.
 * I don't think there's 2 sources discussing her as a stereotype in-depth at least. The Hatmaker source does mention it a bit, but the Hendershot source really digs into that aspect. The last two sources though (Swanson and Plane) do a good job at in-depth discussing her characterization though, with the Plane one going for a more gender-centered lens on it.
 * I'll see if I can tighten this up a little more later but will head offline soon for now. Best wishes, Soulbust (talk) 11:01, 2 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Oh, I didn't realize you hadn't used this source. I thought it was in there. But yeah that's a particular big one.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 11:22, 2 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Sounds good. I can't remember if I looked at that one and meant to use it and just forgot, or if I just glossed over it completely. Either way thank you for (maybe re)directing me to that one. I'll implement it soon. Soulbust (talk) 11:24, 2 June 2023 (UTC)
 * You could potentially turn Kiriko into GA with that. I think she might now passes notability with that sources. GlatorNator  (ᴛ) 11:30, 2 June 2023 (UTC)
 * GA definitely a goal but might be a little more long-term than with Pharah just because Kiriko is so new in the grand scheme of OW. Hopefully they'll come out with an art book about the sequel and over time, scholarly articles on Kiriko come out. I think it could maybe pass now, but I'd feel better about it with those types of sources available.
 * I've incorporated that TechRadar source so nowwww I'll head offline lol. Gotta catch some ZZZs to be honest. Soulbust (talk) 12:00, 2 June 2023 (UTC)

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Why?
For articles that lack images, why you want to remove an image? Govvy (talk) 15:44, 13 June 2023 (UTC)
 * You would be better off with a image of the gameplay to be honest . An image of the box art that shows nothing new to the reader and doesn't understand the subject better isn't going to help. You usually only get to add one image to an article outside of the infobox, better to make it actually count.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 15:47, 13 June 2023 (UTC)
 * I still don't get it, it's just a scan of an Atari Lynx box, It shows what Atari did when they rolled out the game. Which is completely different to the poster of the arcade machine. And it is the only box art on the page. It's also was the only cover art on the page, what is in the info box, isn't actually cover art. :/ Govvy (talk) 15:56, 13 June 2023 (UTC)
 * For games like that, the arcade flyer counts as box art. And again it's a fair use issue: wikipedia really limits what you can show in an article. Like think how many games have drastically different Japanese box art. The vast majority *can't show both* due to fair use limitations. Unless you own the copyright on the cover itself...there's not really a way around it.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 16:00, 13 June 2023 (UTC)
 * This is a good example of the standard for a second cover to be included in an article - the box art is identified as having caused poor sales in the US and being regarded as one of the worst box arts ever made. - Cukie Gherkin (talk) 16:01, 13 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Alas, I didn't do the art for Xeno, I only know of one artist for some of the game covers, here is a good article on Marc Ericksen who I've had contact with, if you're interested. I've had contact with some of the old designers, programmers in the past for the Atari Lynx, but what I know can't really be published to wikipedia as that requires secondary sources! I tried to do my best years ago to catalog the games on here. Can't see myself adding much to those articles now. Govvy (talk) 17:25, 13 June 2023 (UTC)

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Vanille refs
Hi. I've been doing some digging, and left references for Vanille's appearances across the wider FF franchise. I'll probably leave more. They include confirmation of a figurine, her appearance in Kingdom Hearts Mobile, representation in the FF TCG, and in Mobius Final Fantasy as a themed job during its second season. Mostly in Japanese, but all seem okay for use in a future GA. With all the stuff you've found, my skepticism is overcome for this article. ProtoDrake (talk) 13:40, 20 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the help, I greatly appreciate it. Once the dust settles I'm going to add some of the dev info on the other characters to the list too, managed to translate some of the pages that were badly scanned in the Scenario book (fun tidbit from that, Fang was in part changed to female to try and avoid the idea of romantic overtones with Vanille...)--Kung Fu Man (talk) 15:08, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

Heihachi's article
Do you think Heihachi Mishima article should be nominated for Good article status. Kazama16 (talk) 16:40, 22 June 2023 (UTC)
 * The section discussing his appearances needs to be cut down drastically at the very least, at a glance.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 19:19, 22 June 2023 (UTC)

Sawada
I put it in my sandbox and I'm going to rework the page. Hyju (talk) 14:40, 26 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Good luck! Don't forget to look at sources like Google Scholar or Internet Archive for reception. I will admit I'm *skeptical* if there's anything, but I'd love to be proven wrong.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 14:43, 26 June 2023 (UTC)
 * On the Internet Archive, I found the Italian version of trading card album (where he says his full name is Kenzo Sawada), on Brazilian Comics, he appears as a member of the United Nations and a friend of Guile. I think I'll just go put him on the character list.

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Garsa Fwip
Hello, so I saw you've been cutting down on the WP:FANCRUFTy pages these past few months (it is about time someone do that), and was wondering whether you could propose merging Garsa Fwip to List of The Book of Boba Fett characters? She is a minor character included in three episodes of the miniseries and no other Star Wars media, in what amounted to a single-scene cameo in two of those episodes, and two scenes in the other, most of the media speculation on her having a larger role in the series because of her being played by Jennifer Beals. The entire (short) reception just talks about being excited to see Beals in a Star Wars series, with IGN even saying it was just a cameo, while most of the other sourcing is to interviews with Beals herself, talking about being cast. Like I have no idea why this page is its own article. The entirety of her role is literally: fails to bribe Boba Fett while providing exposition, fails to calm down a Wookiee, and is blown up. That's all of it. 86.41.195.33 (talk) 22:28, 11 July 2023 (UTC)
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Chun-Li's image
Hi Kung Fu Man. I'm sorry I was keep replacing Chun-Li's image because I don't like how she looks in Marvel vs. Capcom, her face just looks off to me and her pose also. If you don't mind I have few picks for Chun-Li's image. This one from Namco X Capcom. This one from Project X Zone, and this one from Capcom vs. SNK. Kazama16 (talk) 17:13, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Only problem with the first two is possibly the width, it'd make the infobox image much smaller. The last has the artist's usual "George Clooney" face too...--Kung Fu Man (talk) 17:28, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
 * What about this one this one is from Street Fighter III: Third Strike Online Edition. Kazama16 (talk) 21:40, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Some of these are OK but I don't see any compelling reason to change from the current image. It depicts Chun-Li in her usual attire in a standing pose. People will always prefer one image to the other. TarkusAB talk / contrib 23:24, 27 July 2023 (UTC)

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Clementine
Would it be possible to render a PNG of this image? I'm not a photoshop expert, but I think it'd be great to use for the character. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TheCelebrinator (talk • contribs) 21:35, 30 July 2023 (UTC)
 * I'd rather go with the season 1 version of her frankly, as that feels like it has the most recognizability for her.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 21:44, 30 July 2023 (UTC)

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Vanille update, plus Barnstar
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DYK for Vanille
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Villager
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I was thinking about notifying the new VG character task force about Villager, but you already took action. Great job! Thanks for your edits! soetermans. ↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK 16:43, 24 August 2023 (UTC)

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Villager/Wii Fit Trainer redirects
I have seen numerous video game characters get redirected in the past few months that had zero to few sources in the article. As I explained in my edit summary, per WP:BRD, I reverted your bold redirect since there were enough references that it could pass WP:GNG and there should have been discussions. The next step for you would be to start the discussion and not revert back to a redirect. WP:AFDs should be started to gain a consensus and if you are correct then the article will closed as Merge/Redirect/Delete and there will be consensus as to the issue. As such and per WP:BRD, I am going to restore the articles. Aspects (talk) 03:39, 30 August 2023 (UTC)

Page moves
The moves themselves make sense, but when moving lists like List of Animal Crossing series characters and Characters of the Mario franchise, can you please clean up all of the double redirects you make? QuicoleJR (talk) 18:34, 30 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Fixed up Animal crossing, I'll take care of Mario when I get back home from work.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 19:42, 30 August 2023 (UTC)
 * Following up with you, I'm going to have to let the bots handle the Mario list: there's just TOO many redirects to go through manually. Like seriously people did some for every enemy variant. I'll check it again in about two days, and if it's still not done, then I'll do it manually. But there's three bots designed to fix double redirects, so it should be viable for them to clean it up.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 14:30, 31 August 2023 (UTC)
 * It seems like the bot already took care of it. QuicoleJR (talk) 14:46, 31 August 2023 (UTC)

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