User talk:MarnetteD/archive37

Thoroughly enjoyable
and Thanks so much for recommending The Wrong Mans. I just finished watching all six episodes of season one and it made for an enjoyable and fun evening. I felt that it was in the grand tradition of Hitchcock's "innocents who get caught up in a dangerous situation" films. Also, each episode seemed to add layers to the story - as opposed to the old adage of peeling away layers of the onion to get to the heart of the matter. The one series it kept bringing to mind is Dead Head from 1986. Thanks again to you both and have a delightful week. MarnetteD&#124;Talk 04:42, 11 January 2015 (UTC) But am I being dense?—DW? , So glad you have enjoyed The Wrong Mans. Series two is great too. I see that Dead Head was released on DVD in the UK on the 15 April 2013; guess who's putting it in his Amazon basket?! Enjoy your Sunday! — &#124; Gareth Griffith-Jones &#124; The Welsh Buzzard&#124; — 10:20, 11 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Another I forgot to mention: Broadchurch (series 2) - episode 2 is tomorrow. The DW/Torchwood connection strengthens. -- Red rose64 (talk) 08:37, 11 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes,, and I thank you for scolding me last year regarding my not watching series one. Before Christmas, when I noticed the heralding of the continuation, I purchased series one. I am recording series two on my TiVo.
 * Postscript: LOVEFiLM have it, so just added Dead Head — &#124; Gareth Griffith-Jones &#124; The Welsh Buzzard&#124; —
 * I am glad that DH is available for you ! I think (though, as ever, I could be wrong) Redrose is referring to the fact that Tennant has been joined by Eve Myles in the cast of Broadchurch for the DW/T connection. We don't get B until March so I will be avoiding reading about the plot to avoid spoilers (that word has been altered forever for me as I always hear Alex Kingston's luscious voice whenever I read or hear it) from the plot. Cheers again. MarnetteD&#124;Talk 16:32, 11 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes, see User talk:MarnetteD/archive30 particularly my post of 10:52, 15 April 2013. -- Red rose64 (talk) 20:51, 11 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Ah, yes. Thanks for that! — &#124; Gareth Griffith-Jones &#124; The Welsh Buzzard&#124; — 20:59, 11 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Not just Eve Myles, but Adjoa Andoh also. -- Red rose64 (talk) 23:26, 11 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks,, I loved Eve in this and Adjoa Andoh has such an impressive list of work: she was excellent in the Invictus film. — &#124; Gareth Griffith-Jones &#124; The Welsh Buzzard&#124; — 13:07, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

It would have been nice...
...if you had notified me in some way when reverting all my bold edits. A ping, a talk page note, just undoing one to use the echo feature... also, instead of just saying "no consensus for this yet", perhaps you should join in the discussion? Thanks, G S Palmer (talk • contribs) 13:35, 11 January 2015 (UTC)
 * I have been part of the discussion in other spots where it has taken place. As to "it would have been nice" notification is not required and WP:TITLEFORMAT is quite clear on the matter. I know that you are an excellent editor with WikiP's best interests at heart. The fact that we are on opposite sides of this issue does not change that. MarnetteD&#124;Talk 16:24, 11 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Well, hopefully the issue will get taken up in a more prominent place than WT:DW sometime. The experiment is rather pointless if it just languishes on a few episode pages.  As to being on opposite sides of the debate, well, the more I think about it, the less I like the idea of using quotes - especially since it presents issues for those attempting to copy-paste the title in Internet Explorer.  Suffice it to say, I'm reevaluating my position.  (P.S. - sorry if I came across as sounding snappy in my first comment.)  G S Palmer (talk • contribs) 16:49, 11 January 2015 (UTC)
 * No worries at all . Too often I find myself trying to leave a message for someone and doing so hurriedly and then realizing that it came of as snappy. In fact it looks like my reply to you was too curt so apologies to you as well. Your point about the problems with IE is very germane to the issue. Thanks for mentioning it. Cheers. MarnetteD&#124;Talk 16:56, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

Anita Ekberg
I see we've lost another already MD,, .. This year might shape up to be even worse than 2014 with losses! Ekberg really was astoundingly attractive in the 50s and 60s.♦ Dr. Blofeld  15:33, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

What a masterpiece!! I love it!!♦ Dr. Blofeld  22:35, 12 January 2015 (UTC)


 * Glad you enjoyed it . Herzog's directing career has gone in so many directions yet this early film shows so clearly what he is capable of. Cheers. MarnetteD&#124;Talk 23:04, 12 January 2015 (UTC)
 * The thought of a dwarf colony in Lanzarote!! It's sort of like Cuckoo's Nest for dwarfs! Makes me wonder if it was an influence on Forman actually. Those scenes with him trying to climb up on the bed and near the end when the car eventually gets thrown down the well or crater or whatever it was and him just laughing at the camel!! Just great stuff! The vision of it all at such an early stage, pure talent.♦ Dr. Blofeld  06:56, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

Sweetness
Thanks for cleaning my talk page! Best wishes... Binksternet (talk) 21:44, 17 January 2015 (UTC)


 * You are most welcome and thanks for the yummy treat! MarnetteD&#124;Talk 21:58, 17 January 2015 (UTC)

Deception Point
Hi, Marnette.

I saw your change in Deception Point article and did a series of actions, which, now that I look back, seem somewhat goofy. I am here to clarify.

First, I reverted your edit; but forgot to write the main reason that motivated me to act: Loss of coherence. With your removals, I couldn't tell for the life of me, how the characters ended up on Tolland's ship. I copied and pasted the text into Microsoft Word and it said 714 words. I must have done it wrong because a later redo of the same revision showed 800ish words. Anyway, I ended up rewriting the whole section again. I hope you forgive me for my rash action.

One thing that I still don't understand is: What does WP:FILMPLOT have to do with this? Fleet Command (talk) 10:16, 21 January 2015 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your question . I don't think your actions was rash. OTOH WP:FILMPLOT certainly applies when it "Plot summaries for feature films should be between 400 and 700 words" and the article was already tagged (by another editor) as too long before the IP made the edit that I reverted. FP, also states "simply describe the events on screen as basically as possible". Although I did not link to it in my edit summary you will want to read WP:PLOTSUMNOT. Now, I note that you have done a rewrite of the entire plot section and I think it looks good. IMO it is still a bit on the longish side but that is just me.. Thanks for you efforts here at and for taking the time to post here. MarnetteD&#124;Talk 18:59, 21 January 2015 (UTC)


 * Er... Just to be sure and not to do something else goofy: WP:FILMPLOT is supposed to apply to film articles only, right? Because that article is about a book. Just want to be sure if the books don't have their own hard limit.
 * Maybe I'll work on making the section shorter to 400 words. I need to re-read the book again first. Fleet Command (talk) 17:20, 23 January 2015 (UTC)


 * Well that is certainly a slap with a trout Rainbow trout.png for me . Many apologies. I missed that this was a book article. The IP that made the edit had been bloating plot sections on several articles including some film ones. OTOH FILMPLOT is a supplement to MOS:PLOT and much of what is there is applies to the larger issue. Again my apologies for missing the important info. I hope that you enjoy rereading the book. After 30 some odd years since I had last read David Seals The Powwow Highway I picked it up again and found myself enjoying it much more that I had before. Cheers and have a good weekend. MarnetteD&#124;Talk 17:37, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

I am intrigued by your comment on genres
Hi, I am intrigued by your comment that film genres are not relevant to actor articles. Giving the genres of their most important roles helps the reader to see what range or type of genres the actor works in. Regarding the unreferenced point, the film articles themselves rarely have a reference for the genre. OnBeyondZebrax • TALK 19:01, 25 January 2015 (UTC)


 * Thanks for you post and questions O. First this "most important" roles idea is WP:POV. You were adding genres to any films that were listed in the lede (as well as a few other places in the article) and, some/many times, those are just a list with no relation to whether they are an actors most important role. As to an actors range that is better discussed in prose, with sources, in the body of the article. A two or three word blurb is just an advert for the film it does not give the reader any insight into an actors performance in a film. Furthermore, there can be widely different performances within one film no matter its genre. For example look at the original Alien Sigourney Weaver's performance is different from John Hurt's and Ian Holm's is vastly different from either of theirs. Thus, the label "Sci hi horror" gives the reader no insight into their performances. The larger problem is that, without a source, deciding a films genre is entirely subjective. All to often WP:OR or WP:SPECULATION or WP:SYNTH are used to add a genre. Without proper sourcing I have seen endless edit wars over what a films genre is. Clockwork Orange is a perfect example as numerous and various genres were added for years until a recent discussion achieved a consensus. Two items to wrap up the statement that you have seen articles where they aren't referenced does not mean that they shouldn't be also WP:OTHERSTUFF applies. IMO WP:INDISCRIMINATE is also a factor and that is why I stated that genres are to be used in a films article but they aren't relevant in an actors. Having said all this if you would like to have wider input I can suggest that you start a conversation about this at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Actors and Filmmakers and/or Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Film. I hope that the week ahead is a good one for you. MarnetteD&#124;Talk 19:56, 25 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Hi, Thank you for your thorough and articulate response. Many actor articles have a shortlist of the actor's films in the lead. As you pointed out there is almost never a source to support this shortlist. Regarding your comments on genre debates, I have seen the debates over film genre from my involvement on the Heat (1995 film) article. It is unfortunate that MOS:FILM is almost all about film articles. It would be good if there was an MOS for actors and directors articles as well. Regarding the use of genres in an actor's article, how do you feel about including the genre (with a source) in the body of actor article, rather than the lead? Second, what is your view on including the genres (with a source) in the body of a director article? I hope you have a good week too. OnBeyondZebrax • TALK 22:51, 25 January 2015 (UTC)
 * At WP:INDISCRIMINATE it says "As explained in the policy introduction, merely being true, or even verifiable, does not automatically make something suitable for inclusion in the encyclopedia." So, by citing this, I think you are implying that even if sources were provided for the genres, it does not "automatically make something suitable for inclusion" in the lead or the article. OnBeyondZebrax • TALK 23:05, 25 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your reply. The items in the lede so often wind up being a "this is a favorite film/TV show of mine" list. I don't know what to do about that. I don't know if you remember when there was a "Notable Roles" line in the actor infobox (which no longer exists) but it was eventually removed because the very act of an editor saying "this role is more important than than one" is POV. I think it would take a discussion at MOSFILM to change anything in regards to the lede. I am still not big on genres in the body of the articles for actors for the reasons I gave above. OTOH it makes sense to use sourced ones in directors articles as that person is often integral in choosing the genre(s) that the film will be about. Indeed, as well you know, some directors specialize in certain genres. Of course, this is just my opinion so, if you want more input you could ask individual editors or go to the projects that I linked above. This reply is to your second post. We just edit conflicted so it is going to take a few moments to reply to your last post MarnetteD&#124;Talk 23:12, 25 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Okay, I do think that the genres in actor articles fall under INDISCRIMINATE. But as I wrote above the may be appropriate for director articles. This may seem confusing but things around here do need to be looked at on a case by case basis at times. MarnetteD&#124;Talk 23:15, 25 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Hi, I just wanted to show you a Featured Article for an actor which names several genres in the lead: Brad Pitt. Three of the genres were there before I modified the article, including the reference to the genres of Seven (film) and 12 Monkeys and calling Thelma and Louise a "road movie". This shows that there are other editors who wish to mention genres in the lead. Also Chevy Chase's article states that his films from the 1980s were comedies. I didn't add the genre there. I think it is helpful to the reader who is unfamiliar with his films to state that he did comedies. OnBeyondZebrax • TALK 02:43, 26 January 2015 (UTC)

I will just mention WP:OTHERSTUFF one more time so the fact that they are in the BP article does not mean that there is anything link a consensus to use them. That is why I wish you would seek other input. But I cannot make you do that. MarnetteD&#124;Talk 02:47, 26 January 2015 (UTC)

Thanks
Anything by Tom Lehrer always welcome. But I had forgotten how truly wonderful that The Edwin Hawkins Singers hit song was .... now on it's ninth play! Eat ur heart out, Big Phil. Martinevans123 (talk) 00:11, 26 January 2015 (UTC)


 * You are welcome . Lehrer was the reason I watched every episode of the short lived US version of That Was the Week That Was. I especially like the way the animation included the elements that "hadn't been discovered" when TL recorded the song. A great big thanks for this link to Oh Happy Day. It greatly brightens my Sunday evening. Enjoy your week!! MarnetteD&#124;Talk 00:28, 26 January 2015 (UTC)


 * You are so very welcome, too. Gospel music takes me to another place. Martinevans123 (talk) 00:32, 26 January 2015 (UTC)

The Castle of Cagliostro
Haha is it me or does the Lady Clarisse from the film look a lot like a younger Betsy Blair. As soon as I saw her face on that cliffside I thought wow that's really looked like an animated version of that actress from Marty :-) What always amazes me about Hayao is how he really has some of the European aristrocratic and personality traits really nailed, you watch films like Cagliostro and Porco Rosso and they feel dyed in the wool European, you'd guess they were made by an Italian animator rather than a Japanese one. I don't know much about Hayao but I'm highly impressed and I'd find it hard to believe that he hadn't spend considerable time in Europe.♦ Dr. Blofeld  14:59, 28 January 2015 (UTC)

any idea?♦ Dr. Blofeld  15:38, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Haven't watched the film yet, actually. Waiting until I get back to Indonesia. For Porco... well, the studio is fascinated with European culture. It shows up in several of their animated films (Howl's Moving Castle is another one), and they're named for an Italian ground attack plane. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:46, 28 January 2015 (UTC)


 * I am not sure how but TCoC is one of the few of HM's that I haven't seen . Gotta get to it. I can say that I find everything he has produced is well worth seeing. Even a film geared towards children like Kiki's Delivery Service is a fun watch. Porco Rosso is a delight. I particularly like Castle in the Sky. For one thing the robots in it look like cousins of Gigantor which I watched as a kid. They didn't even use the word anime that far back :-) The US DVDs of HM's films have this interesting bit of programming if you chose the English dubbed soundtrack the closing credits are in English - chose the original Japanese soundtrack and the credits are in Japanese. Thanks for adding your info MarnetteD&#124;Talk 16:03, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Castle in the Sky is on my imminent list :-) I highly recommend Cagliostro, it reminds me actually of the Pink Panther in parts. It's just the way they're conceived above all, it's like it's really happening, despite the animation, you get roped into his world.♦ Dr. Blofeld  16:08, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
 * I'll definitely have a watch. Dr B., did you get around to Grave of the Fireflies yet? It's been called "the best movie you'll never want to see again" for its suckerpunches of emotion. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 17:05, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Will see it soon. Speaking of "very European", wasn't the town of Telč a fantastic location MD in Woyzeck? Wonderful look and feel in that film.♦ Dr. Blofeld  17:43, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Absolutely . In fact WH is as marvelous in how he films man made landscapes as he is with natural ones. Woyzeck's filming began almost as soon as Nosferatu ended and was completed in less than three weeks. One of the least seen of the Herzog/Kinski films (I think only Cobra Verde has been viewed less) it is a great example of their love/hate relationship. MarnetteD&#124;Talk 18:45, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
 * One of the greatest scenes I've seen in German cinema is that knife scene and the way it was panned out emotionally and his reaction with the river. An ordinary director would not have produced anything even close to it, masterful, although the intensity of Kinski of course greatly helped.♦ Dr. Blofeld  19:03, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Crisco you might want to watch this. Watching the film now :-)♦ Dr. Blofeld  12:40, 29 January 2015 (UTC)
 * The best suggestion to date, thankyou, the film is right up there with Ikiru and the others, one of the greatest and most moving I've ever seen!! I disagree that I wouldn't want to see it again though, like Ikiru it's something I'd watch again and again. ♦ Dr. Blofeld  14:15, 29 January 2015 (UTC)
 * I agree with you, very much so. Been tempted to try and get the article to FA, but I've already ridden poor Curly's coattails so much with Departures. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:32, 29 January 2015 (UTC)
 * The girl is the key to it I think, she is absolutely adorable. I'd be up for working on it if you are, although can't commit too much to it at the moment as I still have the Streep, Ritz and Kubrick books to plough through! You seemed to understand Japanese though from the Departures article which might help, but I think it's the sort of film which will have a fair bit of scholarly material about it in English.♦ Dr. Blofeld  16:37, 29 January 2015 (UTC)

W.C. Fields
If you want a comedy to watch MD I highly recommend It's a Gift. It's a gem, the timing and that reminds me of Tracy and Hepburn at times.♦ Dr. Blofeld  19:54, 2 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the recommendation . I can't remember the last time I got to see a WC FIelds film. Sad really as his works used to feature regularly on one of the TV channels that was around when I was young. I can't even remember Turner Clissic Movies have aired his films in the last several years :-( Thanks again. MarnetteD&#124;Talk 20:07, 2 February 2015 (UTC)
 * It's a definite one to get on DVD, trust me on this one! I'm not sure though you can usually get the DVD independently, fortunately I was able to pick up a copy from somebody selling off their WC Fields collection individually. Some of the scenes like the blind guy in the kumquat store and him shaving with a rotating mirror are just right up there with greatest all time comic moments!! For some reason The Bank Dick is always thought of as his definitive film, but It's a Gift is far far better, I'd rank it right up there with the best comedies of all time.♦ Dr. Blofeld  20:14, 2 February 2015 (UTC)


 * The scenes you describe remind me that I did see it at some point in the dim and distant . BTW Rod Steiger was a huge admirer of Fields. He worked for years to get W.C. Fields and Me made. I remember reading that, when the film was a bust with critics and at the box office, he went into a depression and even stopped acting for a brief period of time. MarnetteD&#124;Talk 20:22, 2 February 2015 (UTC)


 * I'll have to watch that one sometime! ♦ Dr. Blofeld  20:24, 2 February 2015 (UTC)

Seven days
Seven days, seven more days they’ll be comin’ We’ll be waiting at the stadium for them to arrive Seven more days, all I gotta do is survive

Read more: .... Next Friday evening! — &#124; Gareth Griffith-Jones &#124; The Welsh Buzzard&#124; — 18:51, 30 January 2015 (UTC) Wishing you a lovely weekend! — &#124; Gareth Griffith-Jones &#124; The Welsh Buzzard&#124; — 10:33, 31 January 2015 (UTC)
 * My brother has tickets for some of the World Cup pool matches in September-October. These include Australia vs Wales, 10 October at Twickenham. He's not taking me, but his son (age 12). -- Red rose64 (talk) 20:07, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks so much for letting me know . I checked and, like last year, we aren't getting the matches live but we are getting them on the same day!! congrats to your brother. I will keep a lookout for them in the crowd and wave if I see them. HeeHee. I hope that you both have a nice weekend. MarnetteD&#124;Talk 21:07, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
 * Giving credit, where credit is due, I should add, "With apologies to Bob."

British box office
Can you find a reliable source for the top 10-20 films at the British Box office by year? It would be good for the List of British films of 1961 etc to have the top 10 films listed.♦ Dr. Blofeld  17:37, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
 * My first thought was the BFI website but I am not finding what you are looking for . I tried searching a few different ways but came up empty. and   are better at these searches than I am so maybe they can come up with something that suits your needs. MarnetteD&#124;Talk 18:16, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
 * The Guardian I think did a Top 10 for each year, can find anything? Perhaps they can be found separately, 1959 box office Guardian  etc.♦  Dr. Blofeld  18:23, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Was it The Manchester Guardian ? We have a lot of articles on here which state a film was xxx at the box office in 1957 etc! The Square Peg says the source for the 1959 list is ""Year Of Profitable British Films." Times [London, England] 1 Jan. 1960: 13. The Times Digital Archive. Web. 11 July 2012."♦ Dr. Blofeld  18:29, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
 * For recent stuff, try the BFI Statistical Yearbooks here. I have no idea re: older stuff but I'm not seeing it in either The Grauniad or Times (at least, not as a list - maybe individual stories mention individual films). I would imagine Variety or something like that would be a better bet. - Sitush (talk) 19:40, 1 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Formal UK box office by the British Film Institute did not begin until 1975. Aside from individual distributors that periodically released figures for successful films the now defunct Kinematograph Weekly is your best bet for annual box office grosses. Betty Logan (talk) 00:49, 2 February 2015 (UTC)

My talk page
Thanks a bunch for reverting the vandalism. Hopefully he cuts it out. He hasn't messed around sense then. Dozzzzzzzzzing off (talk) 02:16, 10 February 2015 (UTC)
 * You are most welcome . I am glad I could help. Cheers. MarnetteD&#124;Talk 03:11, 10 February 2015 (UTC)

Oscar
Ha, you got in a minute ahead of me with Wilde's wife and sons (but I got the grandson!). Hi, and good to meet you. What a cool talk page. Fun playing with Oscar Wilde things, and there must be more links about his life (homes, wanderings, whatnots) to add. Keep on looking! Randy Kryn 00:15 11 February, 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks . Your work on the template is much appreciated. I will keep an eye peeled for other articles that might be added to it. Keep up the good work and cheers!! MarnetteD&#124;Talk 00:18, 11 February 2015 (UTC)
 * (edit conflicted)... and a great user page, I just skimmed it but see that you are a true Wilde fan, and I bow to your greater knowledge. Does Wikipedia have something about the Vincent Price show? And I see you've followed Dr. Who. I was very lucky to start watching the Dr. just when Clara Oswald came on for the long haul (I had to go back to watch the two episodes she was in previously). Aye. Randy Kryn 00:22 11 February, 2015 (UTC)
 * Sadly, WikiP does not have an article about Diversions and Delight. Price performed it in Denver two different times in the late 70s and I went to see it at both venues. We do have an article for John Gay (screenwriter) who wrote it. Back in 2000 my mother contacted him and he kindly sent her a copy of the play (as it had never been published) to give to me. That in turn lead to it being performed, in 3007, at the Germinal Stage Denver a theatre that I have been attending for years. There was once a review here that had some nice info about the history of the writing of the play. I hope you can be found on the net somewhere as I have no experience in doing that kind of search. Victoria Price's bio of her father has a batch of info about his time performing the role. As to the Doctor I have been watching his travels since 1981 and am amazed (and am grateful) for the shows current popularity. Best regards MarnetteD&#124;Talk 00:45, 11 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Will read the links later, sounds like a very good story. Signing off for awhile now. I did find an opera, a play, and a film about Wilde. Was only one movie made about his life? More later. Randy Kryn 00:50 11 February, 2015 (UTC)
 * Here is a list of various films etc about him Biographies of Oscar Wilde. The two films from 1960 are interesting but only marginally accurate to any aspects of Wilde's life. The laws regarding "Gross Indecency" were still in effect when they were made. Stephen Fry's film did not suffer from those restrictions. The beginning of the film gets almost everything wrong about his trip to Leadville. It was a city of up to 100,000 people. It had electricity and phone service and Wilde arrived by train. It was April 1882 and there were a couple inches of snow on the ground. However, IMO the film does portray the spirit of his visit and its effects on Wilde and the miners pretty well. Cheers. MarnetteD&#124;Talk 01:04, 11 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Wow, thanks. I'm going to try to make more of a map of Wilde's life in my mind, I know his reputation but couldn't hold a decent conversation about him. But I really want to ask you if we can talk about Dr. Who a bit, at least I happen to have a question and an observation, and would like to see how close I am to how you and the fandom as a whole see it. You've had a focus and interest since the second doctor, so you are the first person I've mentioned this to who has a large viewpoint of the arcs. Question is, wondering if you think that Clara Oswald is the most important companion in the journey, and is, or is by far, the most important person in Dr. Who's lifetime? As I said, I hooked right into Dr. Who for the first time ever with the first Clara Oswald present-day episode (not the two previous, which I'll have to watch again very soon), and immediately recognized the chemistry between Dr. Who and Clara (between their actors of course, who were somehow balanced in a way I haven't seen since the often-mentioned Cary Grant-Katherine Hepburn duo). The play of personalities worked phenomenally. But in her time with both doctors, and with all the doctors, she's righted the entire lifestream of Dr. Who, she's saved both him, the earth, and the universe several times over (not to mention talking the things on the other side of the crack into giving Who another rejuvenation), and much more, especially off-screen where a long-time fan has to figure out the points in Dr. Who's entire life where Clara has given him a nudge one way or another. And the Matt Smith Who seemed to recognize it immediately, what, he actually was off in a monastery somewhere for what seemed to be decades or at least years trying to figure her out. Then The Master thing somehow wanted to hook them up but obviously was very wrong about the reason why, the intent of the connection. Anyway, long story longer, am I near the reality of the show on this? What companions have you really enjoyed watching. Thanks. Randy Kryn 2:38 11 February, 2015 (UTC)
 * Hey . I am not ignoring your question. I woke up with a head cold and have been drinking hot tea and napping for most of the day. I will try and give you my thoughts when time allows. MarnetteD&#124;Talk 22:26, 11 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Tea works but lots and lots of water does the trick too. Napping for most of the day? Tis the life. Get well soon, and thanks for the note. Randy Kryn 8:30 12 February, 2015 (UTC)

Hi again. Things are finally getting on an even keel. As to the actors who had a wonderful chemistry as companions and Dr's; Frazer Hines Jamie and Pat Troughton's second Dr worked very well together and you could see how they brought out each other mischievous natures; Katy Manning's Jo Grant and Jon Pertwee's third Dr were well matched and their interaction in her last story The Green Death can still bring a tear to the eye of an old softy like me; Lis Sladen's Sarah Jane and Tom Baker's fourth Dr also had a chemistry that was wonderful. After that I think Sarah Sutton's Nyssa and Peter Davison's fifth Dr worked well together but it can get lost in the fact that there were four people in the TARDIS. I will have to get to the second part of you question later. Have a wonderful weekend. MarnetteD&#124;Talk 22:21, 13 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I'll look into some of those. I did work in some of the Wilde films/plays into the template, thanks for pointing them out. Been working on quite a few literary templates created by INeverCry, she's put up a good body of work. I've never looked at the Dr. Who templates, which are probably in good shape with the amount of fans around. Glad your cold is a thing of the past (as, I guess, everything is). Enjoy, Randy Kryn 11:37 16 February, 2015 (UTC)

The information on Wilde's mother's 'sensational' trial is widely used by biographers as an essential part of OW's formation and his attitude that trials can be used as stagecraft - H. Montgomery Hyde mentions it as something that Oscar referred to in adulthood with praise for his mother. "I don't think that fire and enthusiasm has dimmed the enthusiasm that set the Young Irelands ablaze" was OW's remark.

Ellmann links this experience that she had - as Jane Elgee- at Duffy's trial to her admonishment to OW at his own trial to 'not run' from the English.

Also why did you delete - what I thought- was my helpful addition of the Ellmann citation? The passage was marked as 'citation needed' and I supplied it. What was the problem with that? (BealBoru (talk) 13:50, 25 April 2015 (UTC))

A cupcake for you!

 * Thank you . This virtual cupcake is delicious. Cheers. MarnetteD&#124;Talk 22:09, 13 February 2015 (UTC)

Harold Lloyd
This is rather good, 23 minutes range in particular is hilarious! I must aim to see all of Lloyd's existing films and Chaplin's.♦ Dr. Blofeld  21:59, 12 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the link . Many years ago an acting teacher was describing (and mimicking) how the great silent film comedians would enter a door. I will never forget his description how Lloyd would open and go through it with a simplicity that took every bit as much practice, and was as funny, as anything that Chaplin, Keaton, Arbuckle etc would do. Thanks again. MarnetteD&#124;Talk 22:07, 13 February 2015 (UTC)
 * I know I said 1955 is a great year in film but 1957 really has a large number of great films and is definitely right up there. 1959 and 1962 in particular too. In fact 1957 might turn out to be better than 1955 after seeing more films! Have you seen Across the Bridge (film)? I've been meaning to see that for a while.♦ Dr. Blofeld  11:24, 16 February 2015 (UTC)
 * I haven't seen it . Thanks for bringing it to my attention as it looks very interesting and I will keep my eye peeled for it. MarnetteD&#124;Talk 15:37, 16 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Steiger is really brilliant in it, plays the arrogant German to perfection, Oscar worthy.♦ Dr. Blofeld  13:11, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

Brian Dennehy employment
Hi Marnette,

In reply to your deletion of my entry re Brian Dennehy's employment at Merrill Lynch in the mid 1970s, the source of this information is me. Brian and I were employees at Merrill at the time. One day, he informed me of his intention to get into acting. I had no knowledge of his training or experience in the acting field. Months later, I was delighted to see his appearance on a Kojak TV episode.

Obviously, employment records from Merrill Lynch will verify my statements. Other than that, I have no ability to "prove" that my statements are true.

Please advise if this is the proper method to make a submission.

Thank you.

Vinny Catalano — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.69.18.82 (talk) 21:18, 15 February 2015 (UTC) In searching the web, I noticed this reference to his employment at Merrill

http://www.tvguide.com/celebrities/brian-dennehy-142739/bio/

Note: I have no recollection that Martha Stewart worked in our office. I do know that Ms. Stewart did have a Merrill Lynch account in the Rockefeller Center office (6th ave.) years later when she was involved in insider trading. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.69.18.82 (talk) 21:30, 15 February 2015 (UTC)

Here is another more complete reference to his employment at Merrill.

http://www.college.columbia.edu/cct_archive/spr99/12a_fr.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.69.18.82 (talk) 21:32, 15 February 2015 (UTC)

Last input: here is another reference to his Merrill employment, which states that Martha Stewart worked at Merrill but not necessarily in the same office (as I stated previously, I do not recall Ms. Stewart working in the Liberty Plaza office).

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001133/bio — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.69.18.82 (talk) 21:35, 15 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Hello Vinny. Thanks for all your work in this situation. You are posting so fast I can't get a reply to you :-). Per WP:RS/IMDB that site cannot be used as a reference. Of the other two the Columbia College one is the best and meets WikiP's requirements for sourcing. You can reenter the item to BD's article and use it as a reference. Just copy and paste this at the end of the sentence. If there is any problem just let me know and I will do it for you but I would like your IP to get the credit for it. Cheers. MarnetteD&#124;Talk 21:43, 15 February 2015 (UTC)

Was there a Sizemore Sex Scandal?
Hello M, Thank you for previous help. I was wondering ...First, is it alright to contact you this way? Second, I researched and added info,etc to an existing Wiki Page The Tom Sizemore Sex Scandal, complete with links, etc. I then asked for help to change the title wording of this page. Tokyogirl79 responded: I'd probably recommend moving it to Tom Sizemore sex scandal, but then I'd also probably recommend merging it into the overall article for Sizemore at Tom_Sizemore#Personal_life. The article kind of comes across like it's a news article at times and a lot of it seems like it could be summarized and condensed into a few paragraphs. I'm going to work on cleaning the article up and unless more sources are available, I'll just merge/redirect. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 09:30, 17 February 2015 (UTC) I've moved and redirected it to Sizemore's article since there isn't enough coverage to warrant an entry. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 10:32, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

She pretty much deleted the article, claiming not enough coverage to warrant an entry?? The entry was there already...I didn't create it, just filled it in with pertinent info re scandal!! And it's being a hoax, set up to look like celebrity sex tape. I was wondering how to respond to this? Thank youDante Dos (talk) 17:50, 17 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Hello . It is fine to contact me this way. I cannot access the original article so I can't comment on it. What I can say is that the mention at the Tom Sizemore article looks okay (with the caveat that I know nothing about the situation) to me and Tokyogirl79 is adding sourced info to it. WP:UNDUE might come into play here as, though the events around the tape and its release, merit a mention, it doesn't need detailed coverage in a separate article. I can also add that, to my knowledge, T is a reasonable editor with a long history of productive edits. Although I have not had contact with T I think that they would be willing to answer any questions you might have. You can also post questions and concerns on the talk page for TS's article. Now I know that this might not be the answers that you are looking for so my apologies for that. Best regards. MarnetteD&#124;Talk 18:04, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

Hello Marnette thanks for responding and for your advice. My error that I thought you could see the original pages thru history and comment. I am still learning to Navigate.But link seems to be somewhat unavailable? Here is history page:

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Tom_Sizemore_Sex_Scandal&action=history

I will eventually speak with T...I'm waiting for some more objectivity..I happen to think people will find this 'scandal' and events surrounding it interesting and worthy.And perhaps it wasn't written fully quite right and needs editing like you mentioned. Thanks again — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dante Dos (talk • contribs) 19:14, 17 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the link . I have never learned how to access a redirected articles history except for stumbling on it if I look at the edit history of the person that redirected the article in the first place. At two paragraphs I think that merging it into the TS article was the correct thing to do. Along with the UNDUE that I linked to above WP:NOTNEWS also applies. For me this story is more of a "you naughty boy" situation at the moment. That does not mean that the story might grow as time goes on, but, until then it does not merit a separate article. Now this is just my opinion and I can understand if you disagree. MarnetteD&#124;Talk 19:35, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
 * First, click on the redirected link, The Tom Sizemore Sex Scandal. In this case it takes you to a section - don't worry about that, go to the top of the article. Just below the page title it says "(Redirected from )", click on that link. It takes you to the redirect proper, where you can click the History tab. -- Red rose64 (talk) 01:04, 18 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Jeepers all these years and I never new it was that easy. I am grateful for the info and I am always glad that my talk page is on your watchlist! Cheers. MarnetteD&#124;Talk 01:17, 18 February 2015 (UTC)

Hypocritepedia
Thanks for the vigilance on this...you can see how dealing with this fellow after seven years can get a bit wearing. I hope you didn't get any of the pesky password resets I got Friday night.  Nate  • ( chatter ) 08:38, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

Re :-)
Thanks for the kind words. Have a nice weekend too. Alansplodge (talk) 01:01, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

list of Michigan high schools
I restored the reversion you reverted. Say that fast three times, lol. The reason for removal was self evident in the copy removed, which stated the school was closed.John from Idegon (talk) 02:41, 8 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the note and for fixing things . Three times "re" in one short sentence is a real tongue twister :-) MarnetteD&#124;Talk 03:16, 8 March 2015 (UTC)

Ned Sparks
Nothing in the least personal, just one of my pet peeves. Unless there is another person in the image, of course it shows the subject of the article. Best, BMK (talk) 01:19, 10 March 2015 (UTC)
 * No problem at all . I've been working to enhance captions for about a year now and was on automatic pilot when working with that one. Thanks for changing it back. Cheers. MarnetteD&#124;Talk 01:50, 10 March 2015 (UTC)

Goodfellas
Not sure why my attempt to improve the Goodfellas article with correct filming locations is being vetoed. Wikipedia has an article about Smith and 9th.

(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smith%E2%80%93Ninth_Streets_(IND_Culver_Line)

The same location is shown in the film. I am 100% certain since I work in and am very familiar with the area. Yet you are the one disrupting my efforts not the other way around. I have also worked on many film sets and have improved other articles without any resistance. The article should be accurate therefore so should the filming locations! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bags72 (talk • contribs) 03:57, 10 March 2015 (UTC)


 * The policies that you need to read have been linked in several edit summaries, on the talk page for the film and, in detail, by . If you are not going to read those and learn from them there isn't much else that anyone can do. MarnetteD&#124;Talk 04:36, 10 March 2015 (UTC)


 * I'm sorry that you find this frustrating, but you're not going to get any further by breaking Wikipedia's policies. Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate repository of information; it's an encyclopedia.  There's a big difference.  An encyclopedia is built upon secondary reliable sources.  If you want to post facts about films without digging up citations to secondary reliable sources, you should start a blog.  Wikipedia is not the place for personal observations. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 05:17, 10 March 2015 (UTC)

Please send me a link of those policies if you can. I would very much like to improve many of the articles that I read. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bags72 (talk • contribs) 05:49, 10 March 2015 (UTC)


 * As I said above the links have been provided numerous times in numerous places. If you cannot avail yourself of them there is nothing more that I can do for you. MarnetteD&#124;Talk 14:33, 10 March 2015 (UTC)

Twilight Zone
I just now noticed this weirdness in Jean Renoir (Filmography section). Somehow this edit makes code trash show up at the bottom of the Filmography listing section. Can you figure out how to fix it? Might even be best to revert to the old style if it can't be fixed? Thanks! :) Softlavender (talk) 03:25, 11 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Jeepers . I forgot to remove the middle column break command of the old style templates. The nice thing about the one I added is that it adjusts the columns automatically - the old style ones you had to do the math to find where to put the middle column template. Sad thing is I looked for it twice and I still missed it. D'oh. Thanks for bringing it to my attention. Cheers. MarnetteD&#124;Talk 04:14, 11 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks for figuring it out. I frankly often find coding columns baffling and wish there were a concerted organized page on the various ways to format them (there isn't currently -- only the Illuminati seem to hold this vast secret knowledge). Softlavender (talk) 04:24, 11 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Hi again . The column commands that were used when I started were difficult to deal with. That is why I was happy when, a few years ago, they came up with the ones that I use now. You simply put this one at the top of a section and this one  at the bottom and that is all you ever have to do. No matter how many items (like films) get added the columns adjust automatically. Now when it comes to the 839 different ways to create a table I find them every bit as much of a mystery as you find columns. Regards. MarnetteD&#124;Talk 04:44, 11 March 2015 (UTC)
 * What about when you want a lot of columns (for instance for short items like names, highways, etc., in an article where the information shouldn't take up too much space or emphasis)? Do you just change the number? Softlavender (talk) 04:48, 11 March 2015 (UTC)

Hmm. I am not sure. You can change the 2 to any number that you would like. The only thing I have seen that your example brings to mind are a few filmographies that were split into silent and sound - or "as actor" and "as director" etc - in that case a subheader is used like these - ;Silent and ;Sound that look like this

and
 * Silent
 * Sound

and then put a separate set of column commands for each one. Alternatively you can use (and you may be more familiar with) ===Silent=== and ===Sound===

Now you are probably familiar with a lot of this and, if not, my description might be confusing so maybe you can link me to an article where you want to use them next time you encounter one and I will see if I can help. If not I can recommend someone can. It is late here so I may not see any other posts you make until tomorrow - my time :-) MarnetteD&#124;Talk 05:11, 11 March 2015 (UTC)
 * The / technique doesn't just remove the need to work out where the column breaks are, it's also good for accessibility since it's kept as one list - using etc. splits it into two or more lists.
 * You can change the number in the 2 parameter to any reasonable integer, to set that number of columns; but that means that you are making assumptions on the available width on the reader's screen. It's better to set the minimum column width, and at Meetup/UK. Here, I see four columns across: but you might see more, or less than four. -- Red rose64 (talk) 15:17, 11 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks R. Redrose64 is the person to ask about technical things around here. Always helpful or it least able to direct you to where to go to get answers. Cheers to you both. MarnetteD&#124;Talk 15:25, 11 March 2015 (UTC)

Children's literature, and other children
Hi. Continuing from Wikipedia talk space after a 2-hour break:

Regarding WP Children's lit, and also previous non-discussion of the issue what is "children's", see Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Children's literature/Archive 3. Also search that 2011–2014 archive for my name 'P64' and you'll see evidence that the project is rather dead --if the 4-year span of its Archive 3 is not enough evidence!

I have been exceptionally active at EN.wikipedia during the last few years --roughly 2011–2014; i'm not in archive 1 or 2-- but I arrived too late for much Children's lit activity.

For what it's worth, I suppose that "child actors" are narrowly defined by age and "child writers" broadly defined by age not because the Film project is more up-to-date than the Novels project concerning what is a "child" but because pre-teen actors are numerous and pre-teen writers (of publications) few. S. E. Hinton, et al, are called "child writers" because they have published writings at so early an age as anyone does; even in U.S. high school (in this case), so few people write anything that is published.

Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Categories (I'm somewhat active, yet overlooked it earlier) is another place where it may be worthwhile to post. While enjoying freshly draughn beer during the last two hours it occurred to me that that may really be the best place. I will now post notice of your issue there, but will not tell the three substantial wikiprojects that I do so.

✅ Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Categories

--P64 (talk) 01:13, 13 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your updates and info . As I dig into the memory banks I think my biggest disconnect was claiming that people under the age of 21 were "children" and categorizing Alex from A Clockwork Orange seemed absurd to me. In the thread at the film project another editor found that the age had been changed from age 16 (I might be wrong there) to 21 at some point. I like the solution that the film project came up with but the fact that "young adult" is a term (and a whole section at many bookstores!) adds to the mix in the discussions at the various book projects. Thanks again for all your efforts - as to the beer you are enjoying I am jealous. Cheers. MarnetteD&#124;Talk 01:28, 13 March 2015 (UTC)

Playtime
A masterpiece. Not full of laugh out loud moments like M. Hulot's holiday but it's a visual feast. As the viewer you're sort of invited to really look at what is going on with minimal dialogue and keep wondering if you're actually watching a film, fly on the wall sort of thing. A landmark film I think for the observational strengths and the iconic look of some of the sets. I'm sure you could watch it a few times and still spot new things. It did have some hilarious moments though, the waiter getting that tile stuck to his shoe and splitting his trousers a bit later! The atmosphere of that scene reminded me of Seller's The Party, a year later- makes you wonder if Playtime was an influence on Blake actually. Ha I just noticed the influence on The Party is mentioned in the article and I didn't even look at the article before I said this! Haven't looked at the article in a long time and I don't think I was really aware of Tati at that time anyway!♦ Dr. Blofeld  12:14, 14 March 2015 (UTC)
 * I am glad you liked it . A masterpiece indeed. It is one of those films that is so much more when seen in a theater. There are subtle things in the background that even the improved TVs of our time do not do justice to. There are some wonderful "making of" extras on the Criterion Collection release if you ever get a chance to see them. I can remember my first viewing of it. It didn't draw me in as readily as "...Holiday" or "Mon Oncle" but, as is it went, on I found myself being spellbound by its magical delights. Those diorama like apartments where you could see everything the residents were doing - including the way their TV viewing was like they were watching each other - was fascinating. That is great that your intuition about The Party is confirmed. BTW the film The Illusionist (2010 film) is a wonderful tribute to Tati. If you haven't seen it already I can suggest that you wait until you've seen all of his films. Sylvain Chomet really captures the spirit of Jacques acting and storytelling. Cheers. MarnetteD&#124;Talk 12:33, 14 March 2015 (UTC)
 * I've not seen it, noted, thanks. BTW if you pay £79 (probably about $100) on Amazon you can watch any of 50,000 films online for free when you buy Amazon prime. There's also another 100,000 films or so on Amazon in which you can pay only about $2.99 to watch it and hire it for 48 hours. Terrifically useful for those films in which the DVD might be more expensive and you're not sure it's worth getting. Eventually I hope Amazon will do a package especially for film buffs and open up all films on DVD to be able to be viewed immediately for free with an annual subscription. I think the film companies are gradually realising that this is the way to go and are given a percentage of the earnings.♦ Dr. Blofeld  12:49, 14 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the info. You are right about the way the tech and the industry is heading. I know that the Criterion Collection is streaming their catalog on Hulu but I don't know whether that includes any of the extras that are on their disks. MarnetteD&#124;Talk 12:59, 14 March 2015 (UTC)
 * It would be great of course to own all of the Criterion collection on DVD, but when you watch a lot of films sometimes you haven't time to keep rewatching the same ones haha! Eventually I think it will be possible to watch every film ever released on DVD on one site and all done legally so the film companies earn a percentage from it. It's very promising anyway as I remember LOVEFILM a few years back had a very limited number available.♦ Dr. Blofeld  13:18, 14 March 2015 (UTC)
 * If you haven't already been there you should check out this website. A fun bit of animation to start and then run your cursor from floor to floor on the buildings for good times. MarnetteD&#124;Talk 14:59, 14 March 2015 (UTC)

Uncle
can you please leave my uncles page alone, his name is Amel Shimoun Nona thats how you actually spell it and he is a CHALDEAN not a assyrian,again he is my uncle i would know more than you.He has personally told me to tell you to stop interfering with his information and if you think this is fake I will send yo his birth certificate if you wish or his bishop certificate of his actual name being spell out — Preceding unsigned comment added by Matt mina (talk • contribs) 13:07, 14 March 2015 (UTC)
 * You do not understand Wikipedia policies and guidelines. It make no difference if you are related to this person or not. reliable and verifiable sources are required to make changes to articles. You should also read WP:BLP. MarnetteD&#124;Talk 14:43, 14 March 2015 (UTC)
 * - Not only is Marnette right regarding WP:RS, WP:V and WP:BLP, but if he is truly your uncle, then there might also be a conflict of interest issue. Onel5969 (talk) 22:48, 14 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your input . It looks like it came too late as Mm wound up being blocked several weeks after posting this message. In spite of that I do appreciate your note here and all your work in so many areas of WikiP. Cheers. MarnetteD&#124;Talk 00:11, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

Taming of the Shrew in performance
Just to let you know, the user who has been adding all the VMT production info has left a message on my talk page regarding Shrew. I have pinged you, but just in case you didn't get it (there's been some issues with pings recently apparently), I thought I'd let you know the old fashioned way. Your input would be most welcome. Cheers big man. Bertaut (talk) 22:35, 14 March 2015 (UTC)
 * I got you ping B. Thanks. I was busy responding there which is why I am only now leaving a message here. Best regards. MarnetteD&#124;Talk 22:55, 14 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Hey I am about to go off wiki as some friends are coming over for a film night so I might not see any posts at the discussion on your talk page until tomorrow. I just didn't want you to think I was ignoring anything you might say there. Cheers. MarnetteD&#124;Talk 23:00, 14 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Ack! I also forgot to mention how excited I am to see Benedict C as Richard III in the new productions of the second set of The Hollow Crown plays. Woot Woot. MarnetteD&#124;Talk 23:03, 14 March 2015 (UTC)

Barney Miller
I can't argue with the strict interpretation of the amount of roles Tigar and Freeman played in the series as being original research, as we know the status of IMDB as a source in this situation, however I don't see IMDB as likely wrong, and if so, how could you source anything in the cast section? Also while the Night Court reference was not mine, I would think there is a point to be made about Reinhold Weege creating both shows and using many of the same actors in both. Well, maybe I'll come up with a better way of stating it.  Citi Cat   ♫ 19:49, 15 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks for you note . The problems I have with the number of roles (besides the OR mentioned) include 1) Why is it important? 2) Its just a number (some editors call things like that trainspotting) 3) Was it important to the shows production or history? 4) If we list those two why don't we put the numbers in for all the actors mentioned? As to the Night Court the creation of that show has nothing to do with Miller. It would be different if it were a sequel but that is not the case here. Producing new shows after old ones end is what happens in the business. Of course these are mentioned in Weege's article and that is the proper place for them. Of course these are just one editor's opinion. If you want more input you could ask at the Wikiproject Television. I recommend that over the articles talk page as I don't think it is a on very many active editors watchlists anymore. Cheers and have a good week. MarnetteD&#124;Talk 20:51, 22 March 2015 (UTC)

A Newcastle for you!

 * Thanks very much . Enjoy the week ahead. MarnetteD&#124;Talk 20:51, 22 March 2015 (UTC)

Mel Blanc
Please keep an eye out for shenanigans on this article. BMK (talk) 22:59, 24 March 2015 (UTC)

Happy First Edit Day

 * Why thank you (and the birthday committee) very much . Your message is much appreciated. Amazing to think how quickly ten years have gone by. Cheers. MarnetteD&#124;Talk 03:26, 25 March 2015 (UTC)

Le Bal
Interesting choice, thanks for that one. What I like about films like that is they really make you focus on the interaction between men and women and the quirks and movements of each person. When it began I thought it was going to be a campy 70s like disco film but when it went into almost black and white for a bit with the music it was like an old French silent! In parts it reminded me of The Artist (2011) ♦ Dr. Blofeld  18:13, 27 March 2015 (UTC)

On Kubrick don't worry about editing it much, I'll be replacing the whole thing soon enough with my sandbox and resuming with the books!♦ Dr. Blofeld  18:16, 27 March 2015 (UTC)


 * I am glad that you enjoyed LB . It is so different from the usual fare that I have a bit of trepidation in recommending it to people. You are so right about the interaction between the characters. Also, its relevance to The Artist is well noted by you. If only (though there is much more) for demonstrating to film goers the amount of acting that a performer does that has nothing to do with words. The interwebs has given me the chance to look up other films that these actors have appeared in. A few of them are in Molière which is a fascinating film. Of interest to me is the fact that Michel van Speybroeck, who gave a dead on imitation of Jean Gabin, has no other film or TV credits. I wonder what the story behind that is. Thanks for the update about SK. MarnetteD&#124;Talk 19:00, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes, it's not your conventional film with dialogue, but I love a wide range of films, it makes me more learned as the viewer seeing films like that. Quite a few different looks in the film! The costume designer should have won an Oscar! I rather liked the Tutti Frutti 50s section.♦ Dr. Blofeld  19:02, 27 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Absolutely ! That reminds me of how the changing times are also reflected in the costumes that the members of the band wear. The Fred & Ginger tribute is fun as well. Hmmm, this discussion is sparking my memory banks and it means I may have to watch it again this weekend to experience its joys once more. Cheers. MarnetteD&#124;Talk 19:10, 27 March 2015 (UTC)

Manoel de Oliveira
I see Manoel de Oliveira has finally died! 1908! I've long been aware that he was a master director but I don't think I've seen anything of his yet. I must try to see some sometime! Happy Easter BTW!♦ Dr. Blofeld  17:29, 4 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the note . The only one of O's films that I can remember seeing is Voyage to the Beginning of the World and it is a treat. Happy Easter to you as well. MarnetteD&#124;Talk 18:01, 4 April 2015 (UTC)


 * I will be checking out some of his films sometime. Belle Toujours I've been meaning to watch in particular! Saw another Miyazaki gem yesterday, Kiki's Delivery Service. Wonderfully conceived. The storylines and characterisation he comes up with are truly amazing, what most filmmakers could only dream of creating in a film. What average person could think up the tale of a young witch in training who delivers bread and cakes on her broomstick as a part time job and a butch woman in a hut in the woods who is friends with crows and likes to draw them! He seems to be one of precious few who are able to to really put what's in his head on screen to the finest detail. His films play like a dream.♦  Dr. Blofeld  19:14, 4 April 2015 (UTC)


 * I saw that KDS had been added to the list :-) Miyazaki really is a marvel and treasure. Along with the points you make HM doesn't seem to repeat himself. Each film is a whole new world to revel in. That reminds me - I saw The Castle of Cagliostro a month or so ago and completely enjoyed it. It is an early film of HM's but a lot of what is magical about him is there. The castle itself moved close to the top of my list of "favorite animated castles" - Only Scorch One from Bakshi's Wizards is higher on the list. Cheers. MarnetteD&#124;Talk 19:38, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

Do you have a case page for this clown?
Hi Marnette, I saw your edit summary here. Can you point me to their SPI or a case page? I noticed similar editing by another vandal, Happypillsjr (see here where he adds an Infobox to the talk page. He did that a few times to a few articles) I also had a brief problem with a headstrong editor at those Arthur articles. Anyhow, whatever info you can reasonably provide, I would appreciate. Thanks! Cyphoidbomb (talk) 15:21, 11 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your message . It has been awhile since I've bumped into this problem editor. I am not sure whether an SPI was ever filed. I also can't remember whether there was even a "Long term vandal" page. Too much dust in the old memory banks. At one point there was even an admin or two who was aware of the problem that we could go to but I have forgotten who they were as well. The person has been doing this for years though (they used to hit film articles but they moved to TV ones at some point) so you might try posting at either/both the TV project and film project talk pages to see if other editors memories are better than mine. BTW I notice (through my watchlist) that you are very active in tracking problem named and IP editors who are only here to disrupt and vandalize WikiP articles so I want to thank you for your vigilance. Cheers and enjoy the rest of your weekend. MarnetteD&#124;Talk 15:43, 11 April 2015 (UTC)
 * I can't say that it's my pleasure, but I do very much appreciate the recognition, MD. :) Thanks much, and enjoy your weekend too. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 15:48, 11 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Based on their edits at Ella the Elephant, I'd guess that they could be Maelbros (French vandal, lots of "Ile de France" and "Orleans, France" IP geolocations) or Garfieldboy78 who I thiiiiink might also use Canadian IPs, maybe from Newmarket, Ontario. Not 100% on either of these. Going away now. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 16:09, 11 April 2015 (UTC)
 * The Garfieldboy78 and IPs from Canada do ring a bell . I don't recall ever bumping into Maelbros. Since the problem goes back long than when G started editing that name probably isn't the sock master but it could be a good place to start since a checkuser probably couldn't go back much farther as the info goes stale at some point. MarnetteD&#124;Talk 16:16, 11 April 2015 (UTC)

Film Award Comment
I see that you made a comment about the film award controversy thread at the dispute resolution noticeboard. My first question is whether you want to be added as one of the participants in any moderated discussion, or whether you are merely making an outside comment. (Either is permitted. If you are making an outside comment, thank you for participating as an observer at DRN.)  Also, you say that the discussion at the article talk page has not been "lengthy and redundant". I don't recall that phrase appearing in the acceptance guidelines. It is true that an RFC might be another way to handle the issue; sometimes a discussion at DRN results in an RFC. Robert McClenon (talk) 19:55, 11 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your note . To your first question, I was only making an outside comment. IMO the jump to DRN was (at the very least) out of the normal process. In the middle of the last decade (jeepers I have been editing for some time now-whew) I was taught that the order was 1) talk page discussion 2) request for third opinion 3) RFC and then 4) DRN. I know that this is not a rigid process and I haven't seen a request for 30 in ages but I still like this order of things. That is why I mentioned the thread at the film project talk page was ongoing (at the time I posted) and the next step should have been a RFC. IMO the leap to DRN smacked of WP:FORUMSHOPPING. I don't know if this was intentional or simply a move by a person who has only been editing for a little over a year and, thus, didn't grasp the normal process in this situation. Remember this is only my opinion so I understand if you disagree. My mention of "lengthy and redundant" had nothing to do with any guidelines - it was a response to the sentence posted in the "Have you tried to resolve this previously?" section of the DRN. I have no strong feelings one way or the other about these "non notable film awards" so that is why I would decline any participation in the DRN. I get a sense that the lack of response by the other editors named may speak to the need (or lack of) the DRN filing. Apologies for all the parentheticals - I got on a roll and couldn't stop myself :-) Enjoy the rest of your weekend. MarnetteD&#124;Talk 23:27, 11 April 2015 (UTC)


 * I think that the order of resolution of content disputes may have changed. It is true and has always been true that talk page discussion is first.  The particular order that you list is rigid.  The film award issue is not a case where third opinion is an option, because third opinion is used if there were only two editors.  If there are three or more editors, third opinion is not used.  At present the dispute resolution policy lists RFC, DRN, and RFM.  It may be that there may not have originally been a distinction between what is now DRN and what is now formal mediation at RFM.  At present, basically DRN and RFC are alternatives.  Formal mediation by the MedCom is indeed the last resort for content disputes.  I don't think that going to DRN as opposed to an RFC was premature.  Anyway, thank you for your comments.  Robert McClenon (talk) 00:17, 12 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the info . I know things change around here as time passes. As a long time Wikignome I often miss that fact. The time you took to fill me in is appreciated. Cheers. MarnetteD&#124;Talk 00:47, 12 April 2015 (UTC)


 * I am posting this here rather than your talk page to keep things in one place. I just noticed that this Dispute resolution noticeboard has been tacked on the the DRN. Ouch. You may want to close it ASAP before it goes any farther down the road of airing grievances. Just a suggestion and if you can't do that then please disregard this post. Cheers. MarnetteD&#124;Talk 02:35, 13 April 2015 (UTC)


 * TransporterMan did indeed shut down the DRN thread. Robert McClenon (talk) 13:32, 13 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the update . I was working my way through my watchlist this morning and hadn't gotten to that yet so I appreciate your letting me know. Enjoy your week on WikiP and, especially, off. MarnetteD&#124;Talk 13:38, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

Martial arts vandal
I sent a report to AIV, so hopefully he'll be blocked before he comes back to edit war again. Thanks for cleaning up his mess. If feels like a part-time job sometimes, doesn't it? I would only be a little surprised if it turned out that he was using an automated script or unauthorized bot. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 13:33, 12 April 2015 (UTC)
 * You are welcome and thanks for this note . Your efforts in dealing with this long term problem are also appreciated. The longevity of this one is remarkable so your surmise may help in explaining it. Enjoy the rest of your Sunday! MarnetteD&#124;Talk 13:37, 12 April 2015 (UTC)

Hope you don't mind...
...that I've been undoing some of your reversions. Although the user is blocked for sockpuppetry, the source seems good. –Roscelese (talk &sdot; contribs) 17:26, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the note . That is why I worded my edit summary the way I did so no problem at all. Cheers to ya. MarnetteD&#124;Talk 18:29, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

My previous edit to article on condoms
What is invalid about the source that I used?Joey13952 alternate account (talk) 02:40, 17 April 2015 (UTC)
 * First, I didn't say it was invalid - I asked why you replaced the previous source. Next an examination of the source that you used shows that it is from 1998 while the previous source is from 2011. The most recent source is always preferable. Last you lack of ability to format the reference properly damaged not one but two items in the references section as can be seen here. As you proceed there are numerous help desks and wikiprojects where you can ask for assistance. MarnetteD&#124;Talk 03:47, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

Was removed by accident
... apologies, and thank you for restoring the break. ---Sluzzelin talk  22:09, 19 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your message . It took me awhile to learn what that command was for and I know I removed it a time or two in error in the past. Cheers and enjoy your week on-WikiP and, expecially, off. MarnetteD&#124;Talk 22:23, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

98.234.128.202
Hello, you and other users have constantly warned on multiple occasions for disruptive editing, and has recently been adding unconfirmed cast members to the Simba and The Lion Guard (TV series) pages, which I have reverted. May you or another administrator please have this user blocked from editing? Also, could you give a fair warning for adding unreferenced information to those same articles? Thanks. Christianster94 (talk) 02:26, 23 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your message . I have to let you know that I am not an admin. As to adding warnings it would be better if you did that as you are the one dealing with their edits. This is the page where you can find all of the warning templates Template messages/User talk namespace. They are fairly straightforward and you can cut and past them into the editors talk pages as you need to. Just make sure that you use them in the order from 1 to 4. An important thing to note is that you should not use a "vandalism" warning unless the edit is out and out vandalism. You can find more info about that here Vandalism. There are several other kinds of warnings - "disruptive", "error" and "unsourced" to name a few that can serve your purpose. After you have issued the appropriate number of warnings you can report the IPs at WP:AIV or, in extreme cases WP:AN/I. I wish you well in your endeavors and thanks for your vigilance. MarnetteD&#124;Talk 03:38, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

Neutral notice
This is a neutral notice to all participants of Articles for deletion/Oklahoma Film Critics Circle Awards 2011 that a similar discussion has begun at Articles for deletion/Southeastern Film Critics Association. --Tenebrae (talk) 05:23, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

Talkpage question
Hi Marnette! Thanks for patrolling my talkpage. Quick question, I noticed you removed that comment. I was under the impression that we shouldn't delete comments from others on our talkpage? Only if it was pure vandalism. Onel5969 (talk) 14:45, 23 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Hi . I hope that you are well. To your main question, when I started back in '05 what you say was the case. That has changed over the years and now, per WP:OWNTALK, you can remove comments whether they are vandalism or not. As to the specific item. I think you saw that the IP had simply copied the message that you had left on their talk page after your reverted this non-constructive edit. After examining the situation I just felt that it was trolling that you shouldn't have to put up with. I hope that was okay and apologize if it wasn't. Cheers to ya. MarnetteD&#124;Talk 15:24, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

Best Director arrangement
Quick question. Do you think the winners and nominees for Best Director in each ceremony category should be arranged in alphabetical order by either person or film? Someone changed the order a few days ago.
 * --Birdienest81 (talk) 19:50, 23 April 2015 (UTC)
 * I would default to how they list them at the Academy Awards website but you should ask this question at the Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Film page to get an overall consensus. MarnetteD&#124;Talk 20:14, 23 April 2015 (UTC)

WikiProject Research Invitation
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 * My apologies for the late reply . Thank you for asking but I am going to decline the opportunity to take part. I wish you well in your endeavor. MarnetteD&#124;Talk 03:14, 3 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Thank you so much for your reply !! Marge6914 (talk) 00:19, 4 May 2015 (UTC)

English/British republicans
Hi, Can I ask why you reverted my edits of changing English republicans to British republicans, writing 'previous version is correct'? AusLondonder (talk) 07:12, 9 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Because the articles are about people from England. MarnetteD&#124;Talk 17:21, 9 May 2015 (UTC)

Wayne Allwine
It's already sourced out in the article, it says that he had those kids from previous marriages before he met Russi Taylor, I'm not doing anything wrong, I'm just trying to keep it the way it is, all correct and sourced out. And your not listening to me. FrozenFan2 (talk) 22:07, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
 * And you are not reading the relevant policies. I have just posted a link to the proper one on your page. Please read it this time. MarnetteD&#124;Talk 22:08, 11 May 2015 (UTC)

I am going to provided sources and I already read it, just stop being so abusive to me, please!!!! FrozenFan2 (talk) 22:46, 11 May 2015 (UTC)


 * You are not getting it - it does not matter how many sources that you supply stating that he has children and grandchildren. To be listed in the infobox the must have WP:NOTABILITY separate from Allwine's. MarnetteD&#124;Talk 22:49, 11 May 2015 (UTC)

I am getting it. FrozenFan2 (talk) 23:19, 11 May 2015 (UTC)

Really? This not a source, I swear that it is one, I hope. http://www.latimes.com/local/obituaries/la-me-wayne-allwine21-2009may21-story.html FrozenFan2 (talk) 23:48, 11 May 2015 (UTC)

I was doing like I promised, providing sources FrozenFan2 (talk) 23:48, 11 May 2015 (UTC)

Sorry
Hey dude, I'm sorry. I'm sorry if I got all aggravated of what's been happening with the edits and stuff. I just get aggravated sometimes when I see something important and sourced in the article that gets removed. I just like keeping articles of how that are and for the way they are and stuff. FrozenFan2 (talk) 23:19, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
 * That happens - do not worry about it. There are plenty of places to ask questions as your proceed including Teahouse/Questions, Help desk and the various wikiprojects that can be accessed on the talk pages of the articles that you edit. MarnetteD&#124;Talk 23:27, 11 May 2015 (UTC)

Thanks, I feel better now. Also, I'm going to remove your message from my talk page again, because I know now that it's silly, and if I keep removing messages from my talk page, I'll get blocked, and I don't what that to happen. I learned my lesson now not to removes messages from talk pages too. I'll even do my best to find sources too as well. FrozenFan2 (talk) 23:34, 11 May 2015 (UTC)

P.S. Also, I don't know if you got my message here in the link, I told you guy's I'm not user:Señor, I just wanted to clears things up and let you know that. FrozenFan2 (talk) 23:33, 11 May 2015 (UTC)Schultzhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Atomic_Meltdown#Clerk.2C_CheckUser.2C_and.2For_patrolling_admin_comments_2


 * You know what is really silly. This edit. First the source has to be added using proper referencing as shown here Citing sources. Second they still do not belong in the infobox. I provided you with a link to the section of the infobox template that lays this out yet you continue to ignore it with your edits. I have tried helping - since you do not want my help please do not post here again. I have provided links to places where you can get help in the future. MarnetteD&#124;Talk 23:50, 11 May 2015 (UTC)

I was talking to user:Lukeno94 a little while also. He/she told the that it was actually a source. http://www.latimes.com/local/obituaries/la-me-wayne-allwine21-2009may21-story.htm lFrozenFan2 (talk) 00:22, 12 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Did you miss where I asked you not to post here? For the last time the info can be put in the body of the article. It does not belong in the infobox. MarnetteD&#124;Talk 00:25, 12 May 2015 (UTC)

Don't worry now, Lukeno94 just explained to me a little while ago and told of why you did it, I actually now understand now with all this. I'm not going edit the Allwine article in a while for right now Is it ok if we leave all this behind us now and get on with our editing on other articles and stuff, please. FrozenFan2 (talk) 03:05, 12 May 2015 (UTC)

But I didn't add his kids back in the infobox, I do understand. I did what you said, I'm trying so hard not to get blocked on here, I'm here on wikipedia because I want to update articles and make them a lot better for everyone, if you look bat the wayne allowing article, I didn't add his kids back in the inbox, just his awards. If I'm not suppose to add his awards back either, then I won't add them back in there again. FrozenFan2 (talk) 11:32, 13 May 2015 (UTC)

Reply
That was an accident and mistake I made, please don't take it so seriously, please. I wasn't think straight, I thought the message was a little mean. But I know now not to do that. I think what i met to do is I was going to edit on an article, and I went to that page by accident. It was my mistake, please don't take it seriously. Please. FrozenFan2 (talk) 18:55, 17 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Please do not insult my intelligence. You took the time to use this edit summary "Removed abusive message" so the edit was not an accident nor were you confusing that page with another article. All I did was give you some timely advice. It is up to you whether you take it seriously or not. MarnetteD&#124;Talk 19:00, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

Dude, how was I insulting you? why can't we just get along with each other? Why do you hate me! FrozenFan2 (talk) 19:05, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

Because, this was "MY" my here message that I was removing, because I'm the one that wrote "This" message on your talk page in the first place. Why can't you and I get along with each other? FrozenFan2 (talk) 19:43, 17 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Once you put it on my talk page it is no longer just "your" message - BTW you also removed "my" post. The fact that you removed the whole thread shows that you have, once again, not read the link that I provided on your talk page. I have no feelings about you at all. The fact that you continue to edit in ways that are disruptive, in spite of the help of others, is your choice. Finally, as I requested above Please do not post here again MarnetteD&#124;Talk 19:50, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

I did removed you message, but I didn't mean too, I admit that, I've been trying so hard of being nice to you and stuff and get along with you, and I didn't say any mean threats to you and stuff, but I guess that will never happen, I guess will never get along.... FrozenFan2 (talk) 20:01, 17 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Please stop playing the martyr. I have done all that I can to direct you to the appropriate policies and guidelines so that you will be able to be a useful editor. Instead of reading them you just keep acting as though this personal. It is not. Oh and What part of do not post here anymore don't you understand? Heavens knows I have asked more than once. MarnetteD&#124;Talk 20:06, 17 May 2015 (UTC)


 * So first it was and accident, then a mistake and then the dog ate your homework. Well at least you had the presence of mind to refactor that nonsensical excuse. MarnetteD&#124;Talk 19:05, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

Why can't we get along?
I'm not trying to give you a hard time for the past weeks and other stuff. I just don't understand why we can't get along with each other, I did admit that I did makes mistakes in the past, and I'm not trying to ignore rules either at all. I just don't understand why were not getting along? FrozenFan2 (talk) 19:47, 17 May 2015 (UTC)


 * See the above. MarnetteD&#124;Talk 19:50, 17 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Does the "break" mentioned at User talk:Lukeno94 include posting on my talk page after you stated that you were taking a break., FF2 has now removed my posts from their talk page. While they have the right to do this if you look at them you will see that I have been linking to relevant guidelines and policies to try and help FF2 become a more productive editor. I have my doubts that any of them have been read. This is moving to WP:DONTGETIT territory. Since FF2 continues to ignore my requests would you please ask them to follow through on their "break" promise and not post here anymore? Thanks for your time. MarnetteD&#124;Talk 20:10, 17 May 2015 (UTC)