User talk:MoodyGroove

Synchronized electrical cardioversion
Hi MG. I've retexted the article. Would appreciate peer review by you and others.Geoffrey Wickham 05:25, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

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Charleston Fire
I appreciate your help getting the Charleston Sofa Super Store fire article right, and that you are covering for areas where I lack your expertise in formatting and vernacular rules. Working on this article has been a bit of therapy for me, but it is nice to not be alone on it. Thanks very much. Fjbfour 12:15, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
 * From User talk:Fjbfour: Are you with the City of Charleston? It's the least I can do. Glad to help out a brother. User:MoodyGroove 12:56, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
 * No, I can claim no such honor, I am not from Charleston. I am a firefighter in SW Washington State.  But, for some reason, I have found this event to more personally upsetting than I would have expected.  Also, the FDNY LODD this week happened to a shift member of a jake I know online.  I just feel pretty low for those guys right now, and trying to get the fire article correct and honorable has helped me out.  Stay low and safe, my friend. Fjbfour 21:42, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

Harrisville State Park
Well done on Harrisville State Park! I've been wanting to improve that article for a while. -Ipoellet 16:38, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

Re: Fred Thompson
So I should block an admin and 5 other users instead of protecting the article? That doesn't sound like a good idea. 3 days isn't much. And if you look at the talk page, they're discussing things. Plus, one of the members involved was blocked for 48 hours because of 3RR, so they just started to be in the conversation. I definately don't expect to go the full 6 weeks, but a week as a cool off won't hurt. I would hate to unlock without agreements in place and the war starts up again. What would be the point of that? MECU ≈ talk 20:23, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

Re:List of casualties of the U.S. invasion of Afghanistan
Hi MoodyGroove, this was over a year ago and I don't even remember this AfD, but a quick glance at it shows me that the consensus is approximately even split between keeping and deleting the article. This is insufficient for an article to be kept deleted as there needs to be an overwhelming consensus for delete (roughly 80% at the time of this closing). I might close a AfD as "no consensus" if there is a slight consensus to delete (but not overwhelming), but that wasn't even the case in this AfD. If you have any further questions, please let me know. --Deathphoenix ʕ 12:13, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
 * You're welcome. But woops, I just noticed I made a mistake and typed the opposite of what I meant (corrected above). I hope you got my meaning though. --Deathphoenix ʕ 15:16, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

WikiProject:Fire Service
MoodyGroove, welcome aboard brother. Everything you need related to templates is available here WikiProject Fire Service/Templates. Let me know if you need anything else. Glad to have you aboard. Stay low, stay safe --Daysleeper47 13:04, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

"Powerful" corporations
Thanks for the communication. I hate revert wars! :) Probably 'cause I usually lose!   :) I automatically delete adjectives is the best reason I have. Maybe not a good one. A second one is that people have the idea that powerful people are in the Chamber of Commerce. Maybe some chambers, but the really big businesses work behind the scenes in their own manner. They don't trust groups. So "powerful" and "C-of-C" to me are almost oxymorons. It's the tiny businesses that join C-of-C to try to improve their odds in a group. While it may seem to unions that their main job is to squash unions, the ones I've seen are mostly busy trying to get work and jobs. Anyway, my take. I really don't care for pejoratives, like "heavy-handed editor removing adjectives." I prefer "editor removing adjectives." Sounds nicer! :) And I applaud the "compulsory" for "forced" for similar reasons.Student7 16:24, 24 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Well, at least I am consistent!
 * I have yet to see an extended WP:RS that did not have some, or even many, WP:POV words in them. Or biases. "Powerful" is a subjective term. Is Russia more powerful than the CofC? Is Oman? Burger King? The New York Yankees? Hostess, the company that once made Twinkies? The word is not necessary to the text. Let the reader decide on the basis of what was done, not merely stated. I don't care for adjectives. Most articles would be better off and less arguments would take place if people used fewer subjective adjectives which have no particular meaning nor shine little light on the article. The adjective is un-encyclopedic in most cases. There would be fewer disagreements if we stuck to the facts and rm "colorful" media "spin." Student7 (talk) 02:36, 21 December 2012 (UTC)

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Defbrillation
My apologies, maybe i was a little quick in my revision summary this morning, but I still think it was a valid point. The information given by the anon editor originally is mostly factually correct (and i'm sure i can find references to match up with it) and i don't direct users to the WP:BITE page often or lightly. I think it's good wikiquette to always give a reason for reversion to the user if they are new or apparently new (this user having only contributed the same text to two articles qualifies them on that score) and the addition is not vandalism, which i think is a key tenet of assume good faith. Other than that it risks driving new editors away, which is not the idea, and the reason i believe the bite policy is in place.

I think tagging the section with either fact tags, or a references template was a more constructive way to deal with it. My apologies if i caused offence in this, but i felt the points that author made were valid, and worthy of inclusion, if in need of tidying a bit.

As specifically regards intervals, it is certainly true that the analysis time can be detrimental to the efficacy of the shocks - i have the MPEG videos of research on pigs hearts to prove it. I will have to look out the actual published articles on the effect of leaving the heart, but as a brief summary, the 10-30 seconds that some AEDs take to analyse is sufficient for blood to pool in the vena cava and right hand side of the heart, causing it to be misshapen. This makes it less likely to restart on the application of the shock. For this reason, ambulance crews here now do 200 compressions, regardless of rhythm, followed by a shock the moment the hands are clear from the 200th compression (presuming VT/VF/shockable rhythm)

As for the other reversion, i apologise for that, as i'm not a fan of commerical links, but the information is well worth including, although it may be worth removing trade names - that said, as there aren't generic versions, it probably provides more information this way.

Sorry for the upset, and i'll try and get the references in line to justify keeping most of it, if not all.

Thanks Owain.davies 20:39, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Changed WikiProject South Carolina
I wanted to let you know I upped it to the 1.0 standards and wanted some input. We need to recruit some active people to help out with the WikiProject Clemson3564 22:02, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Removing Commercial Link(s)
Thank you for educating me on the restriction of commercial links. You have effectively erased our capnography-centered business from the "capnography" page.

By what criteria do you continue to allow the biggest competitor in our industry, Oridion, advertising space in the External Links section? --Capnography1 20:17, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for your prompt attention to the above! As a competitor of Oridion, I should not be the one to remove their link from the Capnography page. --Capnography1 15:41, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

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Harmony Weekend in Harrisville
Nice picture. Thanks for helping. 7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 20:32, 8 December 2007 (UTC)Stan

Notability of author and ISBN numbers
Dear MoodyGroove:

I disagree STRONGLY about your conclusion on ISBN numbers. In fact, a quick perusal of Wiki policy and practice (go to almost any article that cites to a modern book) is that ISBN numbers are preferred. In part this is because it links to most every library in the world, and shows the availability of a particular volume. It also is not a direct link to a particular source for the book. Think about it. Research it, and I think you'll come around to my position.

I'd be happy to refer you to some more experienced Wikipedians than I, so that you can get their opinions. FWIW, I have no direct interest in the book or its profits one way or another. This was not an attempt to "promote a book." It was a part of my much larger effort to deal with the relative paucity of good articles in Wikipedia on communities in the northeast Lower peninsula of Michigan. Your suggestion that there was a pecuniary or ulterior motive is wrong, and tends toward the needlessly insulting.

I thought she was noteworthy, at least in the context of Harrisville, Michigan. I recognize that reasonable minds might differ on that issue, but there are local aspects to these articles (e.g., see your posting of pictures of local events) that make the articles of use and of interest to persons in particular locales. That she is not of interest in a cosmological sense is no reason to strike the reference to her.

Additionally, we had a reference in the same article to Judith Guest, a summer resident, and if you go to that page you will find links to her books, with ISBN numbers.

I hope you will reconsider. Let me know what you think.

7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 21:51, 8 December 2007 (UTC)Stan 7&amp;6=thirteen (talk)Stan

Notability (continued)
Dear MoodyGroove:

Re: Harrisville

Thanks for your timely and pertinent input. I notice that you've made a lot of contributions to Wiki, and I want to get this right -- your input is of considerable valuable to me.

And I also understand enough about editing wars that they are something that should be a last resort. That was why I wrote to you, so that we could work through this collegially, without the nonsense. I think we can solve this problem together.

As I wrote to you, I only put in the ISBN number because I thought it would be of assistance to the users. I know that they are a powerful tool -- albeit not perfect -- if you want to find a book, or find out about it. I was genuinely under the impression that it was preferable to put them in, and not to leave them off. Indeed, in my Wiki travels I've actually run across (somewhere, don't recall exactly where at the moment) notes (I think maybe in "history" of a particular article) that said exactly that.

I also agree with you. I don't consider the ISBN number integral to the article, so it's not a 'deal breaker' for me.

Another random thought: What if we put it (the ISBN number) in as a footnote? Or is that still crossing a line for you?

Based on your advice, I'll take a whack at it in the morning when I'm feeling fresh. Then you can take a look at it and see if you can live with the result.

If you have any more ideas, kindly let me know. You know where to find me.

Thanks again. Best to you, too.

7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 03:26, 9 December 2007 (UTC)Stan

Harrisville update
You've been real busy. Nice job. It's shaping up, I think.

I understand that we will be subject to further editing. That's expected and is a good part of the process.

Nice working with you.

I was wondering if my statement in the Harrisville, Michigan article about the quality of beaches (citation is from the Detroit Free Press -- I can send you the article if you leave me an E-mail address) would be something we want to include in the Harrisville State Park article. Let me know if you are interested. My e-mail address is dobry@NAArb.org. Please eradicate that from this entry after you review this note. Thanks.

Meanwhile, I rewrote the Grayling, Michigan article, and did some other related entries.

7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 18:04, 9 December 2007 (UTC)Stan

Best undiscovered beaches in Michigan
Here is the article from the Detroit Free Press. Unfortunately, the Detroit Free Press does not keep their archive on line for free. This is the text of the article, which was published on the Sunday before Labor Day, I think May 27, 2007. This also includes the readers comments that were on line at the time I retrieved the article.

(SUSAN TUSA/Detroit Free Press) The often empty Lake Michigan beach along Route 2 in the Upper Peninsula between Brevort and Naubinway. PHOTOS Click thumbnails to zoom photo (SUSAN TUSA/Detroit Free Press) The often empty Lake Michigan beach along Route 2 in the Upper Peninsula between Brevort and Naubinway.

Driftwood at Nordhouse Dunes Wilderness Area near Ludington. * photo The classic red Grand Haven Outer Light on Lake Michigan. * photo A kiteboarder wrestles in the wind on the beach at South Haven. * photo

PHOTO GALLERIES Photo Best beaches in Michigan

RELATED STORIES No. 1: LUDINGTON No. 2: SOUTH HAVEN No. 3: GRAND HAVEN

ADDITIONAL INFORMATION Michigan's top beaches 1. Ludington

2. South Haven

3. Grand Haven

4. Brevort-Naubinway, Lake Michigan

• Beaches: All along the Upper Peninsula's U.S. 2. Miles of unbroken white sand beach in a primitive (no bathrooms or amenities), but not remote, setting.

"My nomination for best beach is found in the Upper Peninsula on U.S.-2. I don't think it has a particular name; my dad calls it the "2 Beach." It is located about 15 minutes out of St Ignace on Lake Michigan. Clear as a bell, no rocks, all sand as far as you can see. I absolutely love it and go every year now," Aurora LaLonde of Saginaw writes.

• Getting there: Drive west on U.S.-2 from St. Ignace.

5. Empire-Sleeping Bear National Lakeshore, Lake Michigan

• Beaches: Empire city beach and the national lakeshore beaches, especially the one by the Platte River outlet. Breathtaking white sweeps of beach, friendly to families.

"The best beach in Michigan is Empire Beach. It's right there on the Sleeping Bear Dunes, long white sandy beach, clear blue water, a small lighthouse, playground, volleyball and open to the public," Dan from Canton writes.

• Getting there: Drive west from Traverse City on M-72 to Empire and the entrance to the national lakeshore.

6. Oscoda-Harrisville, Lake Huron

• Beaches: Negwegon and Harrisville state park beaches, beaches near Greenbush. Old-fashioned lake vacations abound on this pretty stretch of Lake Huron.

"Don't tell ANYONE!!! I like Negwegon, just north of Harrisville State Park. You have to get instructions from the Harrisville park people who will tell you how to get there. You take a little dirt road because it's undeveloped," Susan Oleszkowicz writes.

• Getting there: Take M-23 north of Oscoda to reach both state parks and the town of Greenbush.

7. Pentwater, Lake Michigan

• Beach: Charles Mears State Park beach. A cute village complements the state park nearby with its sweeping white sand beach.

"There is no debate. The beach at Charles Mears State Park in Pentwater Michigan is by far the best. But don't tell anyone. It will get too crowded," John Gerlach of St. Clair Shores writes.

• Getting there: U.S.-31 to the Pentwater exit.

8. St. Joseph, Lake Michigan

• Beaches: Silver Beach, Tiscornia Park beach and Grand Mere State Park beaches.

"Silver Beach is long and wide with small dunes and two piers with a lighthouse. There's also beach volleyball, swing sets and playground, snack bar and outdoor pavilion where music festivals are held. You cannot beat the sunsets anywhere! On clear nights, the lights of Chicago glow over the lake," Nik Rajkovic, who used to live in St. Joe, writes.

• Getting there: I-94 to the St. Joseph-Benton Harbor exits.

9. Port Austin-Caseville, Lake Huron

• Beaches: Sleeper and Port Crescent state park beaches. Sugary sand beaches along Saginaw Bay; the parks are popular with day-trippers from metro Detroit.

"I grew up in Bay City and spent many hours at the beach in Sleeper State Park, then my children did too. Now it is my grandchild's turn to go. It is a beautiful beach with a sandbar at the shore and you can walk out a long way in the water before it gets deep," Debbie Roth of Davison writes.

• Getting there: M-25 to the tip of the Thumb.

10. Muskegon, Lake Michigan

• Beaches: Pere Marquette city beach, Muskegon and P.J. Hoffmaster state park beaches. Good combination of city and state park beaches. Michigan's Adventure amusement park is also nearby.

"Pere Marquette Beach is my family's favorite -- it's clean, you have elbow room, and they blessedly even sectioned off a mile designated for dogs," Annette Phillips of Ferrysburg writes.

• Getting there: Take I-96 until it ends at U.S. 31 at Muskegon; turn south on 31 to the Fruitport exit for P.J. Hoffmaster; turn north to Muskegon exits for the other beaches.

For more on all these beaches, see www.travel.michigan.org and www.michigan.gov/dnr. More great Michigan beaches The most underrated beach in the state, says author Tom Powers, author of "Michigan State and Nationals Parks" fourth edition (Thunder Bay Press, $15.95) is P.H. Hoeft State Park beach on Lake Huron, near Rogers City. With a gorgeous white sand beach and few visitors, "It's one of the most overlooked parks in Michigan," he says.

But everyone has a favorite beach. Here are more recommended by readers:

Lake Erie

• Sterling State Park beach, Monroe

Lake Huron

• Oak Beach between Port Austin and Caseville

• Beaches along M-134 between DeTour and Cedarville in the Upper Peninsula

Lake Michigan

• Oval Beach, Saugatuck

• Lake Michigan Beach and Ferry Beach, Charlevoix

• Warren Dunes State Park Beach, Sawyer

• Pierport Township Beach, Onekama

• Clinch Park Beach, Traverse City

• Arcadia Public Beach, Arcadia

• Manistee Beach, Manistee

• Wilderness State Park beach, west of Mackinaw City

• Frankfort and Elberta beaches, Frankfort-Elberta

• Cathead Bay Beach, Leelanau Peninsula

• Bowers Harbor Beach, Old Mission Peninsula

• Haserot Beach, Old Mission Peninsula

• Duck Lake Beach, Whitehall

• Petoskey State Park Beach, Petoskey

• Good Harbor Beach, Leland

• Glen Haven Beach, near Leland

• Beach on west shore, Beaver Island

• Holland State Park beach, Holland

• Big Pine Beach west of Brimley, Upper Peninsula

• Escanaba Municipal Beach, Escanaba, Upper Peninsula

• Van Cleve Park Beach, Gladstone, Upper Peninsula

Lake Superior

• Chapel Beach, Pictured Rocks National Lakeshore, Munising

• Eagle Harbor Beach, Eagle Harbor

• Bete Gris Beach, Lac La Belle

• Porcupine Mountains Wilderness State Park beach, Ontonagon RELATED NEWS FROM THE WEB

* St. Clair Shores, MI   * Lake Michigan Beach, MI    * Benton Harbor, MI    * Saginaw, MI    * Canton, MI    * Traverse City, MI    * Discuss Traverse City, MI

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The favorite, the secret, the best Great Lakes beaches May 27, 2007 Stories and Photos by ELLEN CREAGER | FREE PRESS TRAVEL WRITER LUDINGTON -- Heart-wrenchingly beautiful beaches. Long, white strips of sand and blue water that invite you to walk forever. Michigan has 3,200 miles of coastline, much of it stunning, so stunning I can't forget it even after I go back to Detroit and spend dull mornings hunched over my desk. And you know what? It makes me mad. Advertisement It makes me mad that the world -- and maybe we, ourselves -- see this state as some bleak economic basket case whose best future is behind it. Through these dark glasses, we can't recall Michigan's fresh, incredible beauty. Of course, most Michiganders have their super-top-secret favorite beaches. Are we just too selfish to share with the rest of the world? "There is no way I'm going to tell you where the best beach is. The tourists will just wreck it. It is nice and quiet now and I want to keep it that way," wrote one reader who was so secretive he wouldn't even reveal his name when I asked for nominations. And of course, "great" is a subjective term. For some, it's a beachy fun vibe. For others, it's solitary stroll. Some want shallow water; some want rolling waves. And everybody likes sugary white sand. Ask for Michigan's best Great Lakes beach, and a few places come up over and over again -- Ludington, South Haven, Grand Haven and on the strip of Lake Michigan shoreline along U.S. 2 in the Upper Peninsula. "I remember that U.S. 2 beach since childhood," says Tom Powers, author of the new fourth edition of "Michigan State and National Parks" (Thunder Bay Press, $15.95). He also likes the beach on the west shore of Beaver Island -- "You really get a Robinson Crusoe experience," he says. Even the head of Michigan's parks and recreation division, Ron Olson, has his favorites. "Grand Mere is a quiet spot but a really cool spot" in southwest Michigan, says Olson, who also likes the Holland and Port Crescent state park beaches. So I set off to look at some sand. Yes, it's not mid-July; it's still May, and yes, Lake Michigan is still 45 degrees and a brisk onshore breeze blows. Beaches, like you, are just waking up for summer. But I saw the beaches in their natural state, the way they are 10 months of the year. The winners? The readers were right. Ludington, South Haven and Grand Haven are tops for a reason. But there also are a whole bunch of other fantastic beaches rounding out our Top 10 and beyond. Contact ELLEN CREAGER at 313-222-6498 or ecreager@freepress.com. . StoryChat

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jjrog@umich.edu

Many people are unaware of Weko Beach. It is in Bridgman MI and is contiguous with Warren Dunes State Park on its north edge. That means miles of uncrowded beaches, beautiful dunes, and nonstop hiking. It's clean and quiet because no jet skis are allowed and only small boats can be launched. It's sand-raked several times a week and the amount of parking is limited so there can't be big crowds. There is a beach house featuring a cafe as well as public restrooms and changing rooms. There's outdoor shower, foot rinse, picnic tables, grills, camp ground, playground, and extensive boardwalks going up and over some dunes. Taps is played at sunset every evening in the summer and people gather for it daily. There are free live concerts off the beach house deck every other Sunday evening and a large wine fest one weekend each summer.

Posted: Tue May 29, 2007 1:31 pm TimeRanger

Should have mentioned this before - the beach shown in the photo - along US-2 is empty for a reason.... That water almost never warms up enough to be comfortable to swim in. No matter how beautiful the beach or how high the air temperature gets, if you have to have brass 'nads to go swimming, the beach will be vacant.

Posted: Tue May 29, 2007 1:27 am TimeRanger

renren - Where? When?

Posted: Mon May 28, 2007 1:55 am FormerLionsFan

Ernest Hemingw.... i mean Timeranger. I agree 100% with you man. Laughing

Posted: Sun May 27, 2007 11:49 pm renren

Time Ranger

I once lived there too.

Posted: Sun May 27, 2007 11:24 pm

7&amp;6=thirteen (talk) 21:24, 9 December 2007 (UTC)Stan

Politics and science
Hi, Moody. I have left a lengthy comment for you at Talk:Politicization of science.

I also have a question for you "off page", if you know what I mean. You mentioned the idea "...that science isn't necessarily political". Are you prepared to describe both sides of the question?

That is, would you like the article to describe the viewpoints of (1) people who say science has nothing to do with politics and politicians should stay out of science, as well as (2) people who say that science is somewhat political or that politicians should weigh in on scientific matters? --Uncle Ed (talk) 21:59, 21 January 2008 (UTC)


 * What I said was, modern natural science is necessarily political. It can't be separated from politics as long as government funds science. In addition, I said that science should not govern itself because it is incapable of making value judgments. For these reasons, it is misleading to say "the politicization of science" pejoratively if what you mean is "the misrepresentation of scientific research". The two are completely different. Accurate science should serve an advisory role. It shouldn't be the tail that wags the dog, regardless of what some politically motivated scientists think. Regardless, I have no intentions of subjecting myself to more incivility from the editors watching that article. MoodyGroove (talk) 03:51, 22 January 2008 (UTC)MoodyGroove

Classmates.com
Ok i'm trying to play ball here. you recently edited my comments on Classmates.com in regards to their canceling user accounts with no warning or for no apparent reason.

Which link can prove this ? other than the fact that i have an email in my box from 2 weeks ago when i joined the website which welcomed me to Gold membership status, only to receive an email a few days later telling me my money was refunded with no explanation ? i have both emails but do these really prove anything ?"74.67.200.177 (talk) 15:17, 7 February 2008 (UTC)"


 * It may be exactly as you say. But the threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth. You'll see that the controversy regarding auto-renewal is backed by a reference from PC World magazine, for example. The reference cited for 'spurious contacts' is dubious (a self published blog) and would not survive a challenge from another editor. Unsourced material can be removed by any editor and the burden of evidence is on the editor who restores the disputed content. So the best thing to do is find a reliable source in the mainstream media that supports your contention and put it back in the article. It must be this way, or the Wikipedia would have no credibility at all. Let me know if I can be of further assistance. MoodyGroove (talk) 16:04, 7 February 2008 (UTC)MoodyGroove

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Afib
Hi there. For a while now I have been hoping to get atrial fibrillation to GA status. Our mutual friend helped out a while ago, and  contributed a lot, but neither of them seem to be around a lot. Could I entice you into reviewing the article and bringing up any major gaps that we need to cover? JFW | T@lk  19:53, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Hi, JFW. I'll give it a look when I get home from an Urban Search and Rescue conference. Best, MoodyGroove (talk) 21:29, 25 March 2008 (UTC)MoodyGroove

Hart/O'Reilly
Thank you for the repair. Can you tell me what the hell I did wrong?? Jimintheatl (talk) 00:47, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
 * It's a common mistake. You began your reference with . MoodyGroove (talk) 00:53, 13 May 2008 (UTC)MoodyGroove

Politicization of science‎
Hi there. I have noticed you have contributed to this article and raised NPOV issues, that I am re-taking. When you have time could you drop by to the Talk page to see my proposal for a NPOV leading paragraph and contribute to that discussion. Thanks. Mariordo (talk) 02:31, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks but I have better things to do than deal with the incivility of the editors who monitor that article (tolerated by several admins and at least one bureaucrat). I reviewed your user page and your recent comments on the talk page and I do wish you well. MoodyGroove (talk) 19:08, 18 May 2008 (UTC)MoodyGroove

Smile
Whenever I need to breathe for a second, this still helps. :) Take care,   user:j    (aka justen)   08:37, 18 August 2008 (UTC).

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Fifth Amendment to the United States Constitution
Dear editor MoodyGrove: "Politicizing"? At first, you lost me.

I was reverting another editor. See the explanation provided by the other editor. The other editor seemed to be trying to remove the material on dubious grounds. Clearly, the Amendment uses the term "person," not "citizen".

But now I think I see what you mean. The language removed by the other editor (and by you) can be removed because it's redundant, since the word "persons" (not citizens) is already in that very sentence.

Not sure what "politics" would have to do with it, though. Famspear (talk) 22:55, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

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Hello Moody Groove

I would like to discuss with you about editing the famous ENTP list. I have quite a few candidates I would like to add to the list, but you say they need to be sourced. Why does it need to be sourced from other websitiesto be proven reliable? It could be that the websites that are sourced and quoted from are not reliable themselves, because they are based on the subjective opinion of the website writer.

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WikiMedicine
Hi I'm contacting you because, as a participant at Wikiproject Medicine, you may be interested in a new multinational non-profit organization we're forming at m:Wikimedia Medicine. Even if you don't want to be actively involved, any ideas you may have about our structure and aims would be very welcome on the project's talk page. Our purpose is to help improve the range and quality of free online medical content, and we'll be working with like-minded organizations, such as the World Health Organization, professional and scholarly societies, medical schools, governments and NGOs - including Translators Without Borders. Hope to see you there! --Anthonyhcole (talk) 07:16, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

The Wikipedia Library now offering accounts from Cochrane Collaboration (sign up!)
The Wikipedia Library gets Wikipedia editors free access to reliable sources that are behind paywalls. Because you are signed on as a medical editor, I thought you'd want to know about our most recent donation from Cochrane Collaboration. Cheers, Ocaasit &#124; c 20:28, 16 June 2013 (UTC)
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BMJ offering 25 free accounts to Wikipedia medical editors
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Medical Translation Newsletter
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Medical Translation Newsletter

Issue 1, June/July 2014 by CFCF, Doc James

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This is the first of a series of newsletters for Wikiproject Medicine's Translation Task Force. Our goal is to make all the medical knowledge on Wikipedia available to the world, in the language of your choice. note: you will not receive future editions of this newsletter unless you *sign up*; you received this version because you identify as a member of WikiProject Medicine

Spotlight - Simplified article translation

Wikiproject Medicine started translating simplified articles in February 2014. We now have 45 simplified articles ready for translation, of which the first on African trypanosomiasis or sleeping sickness has been translated into 46 out of ~100 languages. This list does not include the 33 additional articles that are available in both full and simple versions.

Our goal is to eventually translate 1,000 simplified articles. This includes:
 * WHO's list of Essential Medicines
 * Neglected tropical diseases
 * Key diseases for medical subspecialties like: oncology, emergency medicine (list), anatomy, internal medicine, surgery, etc.

We are looking for subject area leads to both create articles and recruit further editors. We need people with basic medical knowledge who are willing to help out. This includes to write, translate and especially integrate medical articles.

What's happening?

I've () taken on the role of community organizer for this project, and will be working with this until December. The goals and timeline can be found here, and are focused on getting the project on a firm footing and to enable me to work near full-time over the summer, and part-time during the rest of the year. This means I will be available for questions and ideas, and you can best reach me by mail or on my talk page.
 * IEG grant

For those going to London in a month's time (or those already nearby) there will be at least one event for all medical editors, on Thursday August 7th. See the event page, which also summarizes medicine-related presentations in the main conference. Please pass the word on to your local medical editors.
 * Wikimania 2014

There has previously been some resistance against translation into certain languages with strong Wikipedia presence, such as Dutch, Polish, and Swedish. What was found is that thre is hardly any negative opinion about the the project itself; and any such critique has focused on the ways that articles have being integrated. For an article to be usefully translated into a target-Wiki it needs to be properly Wiki-linked, carry proper citations and use the formatting of the chosen target language as well as being properly proof-read. Certain large Wikis such as the Polish and Dutch Wikis have strong traditions of medical content, with their own editorial system, own templates and different ideas about what constitutes a good medical article. For example, there are not MEDRS (Polish,German,Romanian,Persian) guidelines present on other Wikis, and some Wikis have a stronger background of country-specific content.
 * Integration progress


 * Swedish Translation into Swedish has been difficult in part because of the amount of free, high quality sources out there already: patient info, for professionals. The same can be said for English, but has really given us all the more reason to try and create an unbiased and free encyclopedia of medical content. We want Wikipedia to act as an alternative to commercial sources, and preferably a really good one at that. Through extensive collaborative work and by respecting links and Sweden specific content the last unintegrated Swedish translation went live in May.
 * Dutch Dutch translation carries with it special difficulties, in part due to the premises in which the Dutch Wikipedia is built upon. There is great respect for what previous editors have created, and deleting or replacing old content can be frowned upon. In spite of this there are success stories: Anafylaxie.
 * Polish Translation and integration into Polish also comes with its own unique set of challenges. The Polish Wikipedia has long been independent and works very hard to create high quality contentfor Polish audience. Previous translation trouble has lead to use of unique templates with unique formatting, not least among citations. Add to this that the Polish Wikipedia does not allow template redirects and a large body of work is required for each article. (This is somewhat alleviated by a commissioned Template bot - to be released). - List of articles for integration
 * Arabic The Arabic Wikipedia community has been informed of the efforts to integrate content through both the general talk-page as well as through one of the major Arabic Wikipedia facebook-groups: مجتمع ويكيبيديا العربي, something that has been heralded with great enthusiasm.

Integration is the next step after any translation. Despite this it is by no means trivial, and it comes with its own hardships and challenges. Previously each new integrator has needed to dive into the fray with little help from previous integrations. Therefore we are creating guides for specific Wikis that make integration simple and straightforward, with guides for specific languages, and for integrating on small Wikis.
 * Integration guides

Instructions on how to integrate an article may be found here

News in short


 * To come
 * Medical editor census - Medical editors on different Wikis have been without proper means of communication. A preliminary list of projects is available here.
 * Proofreading drives


 * Further reading
 * Translators Without Borders
 * Healthcare information for all by 2015, a global campaign

ArbCom elections are now open!
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Wikipedia:WikiProject United States/The 50,000 Challenge
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Women in Red World Contest
Hi. We're into the last five days of the Women in Red World Contest. There's a new bonus prize of $200 worth of books of your choice to win for creating the most new women biographies between 0:00 on the 26th and 23:59 on 30th November. If you've been contributing to the contest, thank you for your support, we've produced over 2000 articles. If you haven't contributed yet, we would appreciate you taking the time to add entries to our articles achievements list by the end of the month. Thank you, and if participating, good luck with the finale!