User talk:Muhandes/Archive 10

Max Munk
Hello Muhandes,

I assume that you object to my addition:<< As part of this deal, Munk brought with him to the U.S. his twin sister, Thekla, and their mother. >> Max Munk was the great uncle of my wife, Carol Burtin Fripp. That is why I added that material, which is perfectly correct. In fact, what I did not add yet is the fact that in 1938, when my wife's Jewish mother, Hilde Munk Burtin and her husband, Will Burtin, needed to get out of Germany, they asked Max Munk for help.

Here is how I explain the situation in Chapter 1 of "Design and Science: The Life and Work of Will Burtin" by Roger Remington and Robert SP Fripp (Lund Humphries, London & Ashgate Publications, N.Y., 2007):

<< Burtin’s Catholic family in Cologne fared better than his Jewish in-laws in East Prussia. Cologne had long been an international city, receptive since its days as a Roman colony to the liberating influence of traffic on the Rhine.

Nevertheless, the climate of anti-Semitism was taking hold. A devout Catholic, Gertrud Bürtin received regular visits from her priest until he ventured to suggest that her son had made an inappropriate marriage to a Jew. The discussion ended with Frau Bürtin chasing the priest towards the main street, Venloerstrasse, brandishing a skillet.

Then there was Christa. The youngest of Gertrud’s three daughters, Christa Bürtin was mildly retarded. She did not meet Nazi standards for the master race. One day she disappeared from a hospital, never to be seen again.

Burtin was able to reject early Nazi attempts to retain his services: he claimed he was always too busy. However, in 1937, Nazi Propaganda Minister Josef Goebbels made an official request for Burtin to become the Ministry’s director of design. The rise of the Thousand-year Reich would be documented: on film by Leni Riefenstahl; in graphics and print by a team to be led by Will Burtin. Burtin stalled for time, pleading business pressures from his many private clients.

'''Hilde Burtin took advantage of this delay to write an urgent appeal to her cousin, Max Munk, in Maryland, asking him to sponsor the couple’s immigration into the United States.

Dr. Max M. Munk was a brilliant engineer and mathematician who had studied under the renowned Ludwig Prandtl at the University of Göttingen. Munk had worked for Graf Zeppelin on wartime airships. In his own right, Max Munk invented the wind-tunnel. The U.S. military recruited him after World War I. Since 1921 he had been living in Cottage City, Maryland, with his twin sister, Thekla, and their mother. Munk responded to Hilde’s letter by sending an affidavit, dated November 15, 1937, sworn in Washington D.C., “for the purpose of inducing the United States Consular authorities to grant [Will and Hilde Burtin a] visa.” His affidavit states that he...

“is a citizen of the United States;…that he is an aviation scientist, employed as a university professor, and engaged in the business of an aviation expert and patent attorney;…that his average weekly income is $100.- or more; that he owns unencumbered property to the value of $40,000.- or more; that he is a First Cousin of Hilde Burtin, nee Munk; that Will Burtin…and Hilde Burtin…desire to immigrate into the United States;…that he is most anxious to have them admitted as immigrants, and…he hereby promises and guarantees, that he will receive and take care of said relatives…and will at no time allow them to become public charges to any political subdivision of the United States.” ''' In Germany, meanwhile, Burtin was summoned again to Berlin, this time to meet Adolf Hitler. Pressed again to lead the design team at the propaganda ministry, Burtin mentioned that his wife was Jewish, an excuse that seemed certain to disqualify him from holding a senior position in the Third Reich. Hitler replied that that posed no obstacle: Göring’s wife was Jewish, too. Burtin’s first assignment would be to create an exhibit projecting the impacts of Nazi culture.

Playing for time, Burtin replied that the Führer’s invitation was an honor that he, Burtin, needed to consider. If the Führer would permit him and his wife a short ocean cruise, he would be more rested, more able to think things through…

Will and Hilde Burtin decided that under no circumstances could Will work for the Nazis. They booked their passage, packed one small bag each—“One of the last things Will packed when he left Germany was a specimen sheet of the type Firmin Didot —abandoned everything else and fled their flat at 50 Balthasar Strasse. All that mattered was getting out of Germany... >>

I hope this helps,

Robert Fripp Robertspfripp (talk) 16:49, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
 * You are over complicating things. I did not object the fact, I objected it being added without reliable sources. If you have sources, you are welcome to add the fact again, with inline citation. --Muhandes (talk) 06:23, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

Problem at MNNIT article
You are experienced editor on wikipedia but I would like to request you that please allow logo at the top of the infobox. You visit other top pages of universities or colleges and you would come to know. The best reason is maintaining format across article. Image doesn't mean that that it would be a building image, logo is also image which shows identity of an organization more clearly. JP MEE NA (talk) 14:42, 4 April 2012 (UTC) For other issue(on placement) please talk back or see article talk page. JP MEE NA (talk) 14:42, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
 * With your permission I am going to copy this discussion to the MNNIT talk page so other people can comment as well. I think it would be best to restrict future discussion to that place. --Muhandes (talk) 07:54, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

Humboldt Bay Life-Saving Station
Muhandes, New article. The creator has asked for a DYK. Please take a look and add a few tweaks if you can. Thanks. 7&amp;6=thirteen (☎) 19:34, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I've just returned from vacation so there are a few more urgent things in the pipeline, but I will try to give the article some attention later today. Best. --Muhandes (talk) 07:19, 15 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the helping hand. 7&amp;6=thirteen (☎) 11:15, 15 April 2012 (UTC)
 * No problem, it was just a bit of cosmetics I could do while at work. I'm a bit worried that some of the facts were not really present on the sources, which is usually not a good sign, but I might have just hit them by random and the rest are fine. --Muhandes (talk) 12:33, 15 April 2012 (UTC)

WikiThanks
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Cadet College Hasanabdal
Hi Muhandes,

I saw that you removed the names of two notable alumni from the page of Cadet College Hasanabdal. May I ask why have you removed them under the WP:NLIST? I undid the revision the first time you removed them and mentioned the tag under WP:1E. Not all people may be known to the world but if a person has made some significant contribution to a specific event or to an institute, he must be highlighted. Both the President, CEO of Mobilink (Rashid Khan) and Exective Director Interloop(Ahmad Riza Siddiqi) are notable alumni of this college. Their names have been mentioned on the honorary boards of the college and currently they are among the notable personalities in Pakistan. So if you allow and have no objection to it, may I add them back to the page? Thanks -- Inland mamba   (talk to me) 12:50, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
 * You are misquoting WP:1E in a very important way. WP:1E is very strictly for "When an individual is significant for his or her role in a single event" (my emphasis). It says nothing about an individual who made a contribution to an institute. The criterion for such a case is either WP:BIO (mostly WP:BASIC and WP:ANYBIO since it is not one of the "special cases" such as academic or sportperson) or even WP:GNG. Neither "President, CEO of Mobilink" nor "Exective Director Interloop" are enough for either of these guidelines. Frankly, there is little chance that you will be able to satisfy these guidelines within one line, which is why we very seldom do that (unless WP:ANYBIO may be satisfied due to a very notable award). What we usually do is that we create an article about the individual. In the article we show notability. We then link the article which is evidence of notability (unless it is removed). I'd be happy to assist if you have any questions. --Muhandes (talk) 17:13, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Okay I realize the mistake that I was making by misunderstanding WP:1E. I am sorry for that. I would like to ask two more questions. In Notable alumni there aren't any references to support the facts that these people Khalid Shameem Wynne, Asad Abidi, Abbas Khattak, Javed Ashraf Qazi etc are the alumni of this college. You can see their articles that there isn't any reference to prove that they had actually gone to the college. Secondly in the pages of college's that are similar in nature, many people have been noted as their alumni and they also don't have any reference to prove these facts e.g Cadet College Petaro, Cadet College Kohat etc. Shouldn't the names be removed from them also? I was just going by WP:COMMONSENSE. You will be in a better position to guide me. Thanks -- Inland mamba   (talk to me) 06:07, 19 April 2012 (UTC)
 * You are absolutely correct, each member of the list needs both notability (usually by having an article) and a source showing membership in the list (being an alumnus). In some projects (for example US colleges) they allow for not having a source in the college article but only if the article of the individual has a source. What I usually do is that if only some members are missing a source I tag each such with list fact and if most are missing I tag the entire list with alumni (you can see I did that here). If sources are not added within, say, a month, I remove the individuals to the talk page and explain what I did and why. --Muhandes (talk) 06:58, 19 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Right. I get it. So basically what I should be doing is to create the articles first for Rashid Khan and Ahmad Riza Siddiqi and then add them to the page of Cadet College Hasanabdal by mentioning under the headings of education that they are the alumni of Cadet College Hasanabdal and after that I should add their names to the article under the heading of notable alumni? -- Inland mamba   (talk to me) 17:52, 19 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Assuming they pass some notability criteria (such as WP:BASIC, WP:ANYBIO, WP:GNG) and that you have a reliable source that they learned in the college, yes. --Muhandes (talk) 18:14, 19 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Okay. I really don't think that creating a separate article for them would be currently feasible even though there are many references (not online)to support that they are notable and pass WP:GNG. Sorry for repeating the same question once again but shouldn't the names without references on the pages of college's that are similar in nature e.g Cadet College Petaro, Cadet College Kohat etc. be removed from their alumni lists until they also give references to prove these facts that they actually went to the college? -- Inland mamba   (talk to me) 18:47, 19 April 2012 (UTC)
 * * Just asking out of curiosity. Don't intend to disagree with what you said earlier. -- Inland mamba   (talk to me) 18:49, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

First, I'm not sure why it is unfeasible to create an article if you have sources, either online of offline. But let me answer your question in full, since you seem to be interested in the details.

We need to separate policy, how it should be satisfied, and how this is enforced in practice in case it is not. The policy is quite clear. To list an individual in a list of alumni, there are two requirements 1) evidence of notability of the individual. 2) evidence that verifies the individual actual is an alumnus. The first requirement is usually satisfied by having an article, though in some rare cases a single reliable source is also enough (as I said, mostly due to a notable award satisfying WP:ANYBIO). The second requirement is satisfied by a secondary reliable source, usually inline, but in some projects in the individual's article. I believe up to here there is (mostly) agreement. Regarding how to enforce this there are several ways, I will explain how I personally treat this, though there are some editors more strict than me, and some less strict. I usually remove on sight every individual not satisfying the first requirement. For the second requirement, I assume good faith, so I just tag for sources and don't remove, at least for a month. I went ahead and did that for Cadet College Petaro and Cadet College Kohat that you mentioned. I hope this helps, and feel free to ask any questions. --Muhandes (talk) 10:11, 20 April 2012 (UTC) Secondly I have read your detailed reply and frankly speaking I really am thankful to you that you have replied patiently and without any rude tone. I will be looking forward to follow the guidance which you have given me above. There are also some more college's like PAF Public School Sargodha, Military College Jhelum, Abbottabad Public School and many others that would require some clean up. I'll get on with the article's of both the alumni and will let you know when I want to add their names in the list of Notable Alumni so that it fulfills all the requirements that you have outlined above. Once again Thank you -- Inland mamba   (talk to me) 18:52, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Actually if I have to create articles for both of them, I would have to go to there city libraries to get all the information regarding them, though I have information and references that they are actually alumni of the college. That is why it is currently not feasible for me to get the information for making a complete article and satisfying WP:GNG. But I will try to get it as soon as I can and then show you the articles so that you may have no objection to it.
 * I'd be happy to assist. --Muhandes (talk) 17:40, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

School of Planning and Architecture, Vijayawada and School of Planning and Architecture
hey u deleted many sections from School of Planning and Architecture, Vijayawada and School of Planning and Architecture.. the school is a higher education institute of Govt. of India and all sections are reliable.. please give me reason for edition of SPA Vijayawada and removal of School of Planning and Architecture. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Parik92 (talk • contribs) 14:17, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
 * The reason School of Planning and Architecture was reverted to a dab page is given is discussed here, you are free to join the discussion. In short, there appears to be consensus that the SPAs are three different organizations and there should not be an article about them as an entity, since that entity does not exist. Regarding the other article, I have made about a dozen edits to School of Planning and Architecture, Vijayawada, each with its own different reason, but mostly to avoid very blatant copyright violations. I see in your talk page that you were warned twice already about this matter. I left an edit summary for each and every of my edits, you can see them here. If anything of it is unclear, feel free to ask and I will be happy to explain. --Muhandes (talk) 17:51, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

I need this ranking to be place in the below appended page
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 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.111.152.102 (talk • contribs) 12:42, 23 April 2012‎
 * Please remember to log in next time. See discussion at your own talk page. In short, this material is promotional, non-standard, and unreliably sourced, so it cannot be added. --Muhandes (talk) 10:09, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

Why did you remove programms being offered ?
I have read most of the articles of other govt institutes ? If you cant frame it in a proper way then leave it for other better writers. You can take the issue with Administrators or can you explain me why we cant mention programs offered specifically for this article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alwasif (talk • contribs) 06:22, 24 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Please read WP:UNIGUIDE. Specifically, this section says "do not attempt to list every major, degree, or program offered in this or any section". The reason for this, given by the guidelines itself, is that Wikipedia is not a directory, and I personally agree. You did not say what article you are talking about, so I can't comment more specifically on "cant frame it in a proper way" nor can I say why administrator intervention is required. Feel free to elaborate. --Muhandes (talk) 06:56, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia Stories Project
Hi!

My name is Victor and I'm a storyteller with the Wikimedia Foundation, the non-profit organization that supports Wikipedia. I'm chronicling the inspiring stories of the Wikipedia community around the world, including those from readers, editors, and donors. Stories are absolutely essential for any non-profit to persuade people to support the cause, and we know the vast network of people who make and use Wikipedia have so much to share.

I'm curious about the work you have done about Education in India

I'd very much like the opportunity to interview you to tell your story, with the possibility of using it in our materials, on our community websites, or as part of this year’s fundraiser to encourage others to support Wikipedia. Please let me know if you're inclined to take part in the Wikipedia Stories Project.

Thank you for your time,

Victor Grigas

user:Victorgrigas

vgrigas@wikimedia.org

Victor Grigas (talk) 21:41, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure how interesting my story is, but I'd be happy to share it. --Muhandes (talk) 06:56, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

Removal of Twitter ID of Rahul Singh
Hi,

That is the verified and only profile of Rahul Singh on Twitter that is why i put it in the wiki as the external links. Can you please tell me why you deleted that?

regards preeti — Preceding unsigned comment added by Preeti oberoi12 (talk • contribs) 12:16, 26 April 2012 (UTC)
 * So why didn't you say so on the edit summary? I restored it. --Muhandes (talk) 13:29, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

Eddie Galan Page
What you deleted from Galan's page is not just his Mach 1 Music company, but also him as an individual. Also, a Mach 1 Music wikipedia is deserved at this point as well. I'd like to get that corrected please. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.134.239.203 (talk) 01:29, 28 April 2012 (UTC)
 * What I deleted was completely unsourced, promotional material, with almost zero encyclopedic value, from an article which is largely the same. Imagine that for every person managing a company, will list in their article the entire creations of that company. If you wish any of this restored, provide reliable sources that the individual was involved. Then discuss it in a neutral tone and with inline citations. I'd be happy to assist. --Muhandes (talk) 17:14, 28 April 2012 (UTC)

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Mexican Singles certifications
I posted this at WT:CHARTS so I thought you should know. Billboard has been publishing a singles chart Mexico as well as providing certifications for singles (like this one). I don't have any information on the criteria for the certifications for the singles at the moment, but I thought it might of interest to let you know. Erick (talk) 17:16, 3 May 2012 (UTC)
 * It is certainly interesting. Let me know if you find more information. --Muhandes (talk) 18:00, 3 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Upon further inspection, it seems that the certifications posted in the Mexican Airplay are actually the RIAA certifications for the singles. Every certification for each single posted in the chart matches what is on the RIAA website. Erick (talk) 19:45, 3 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, it makes some sense. --Muhandes (talk) 20:23, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

Hello Muhandes
I have placed a "Controversy" note on the post "Graphic Era University" on 4 May with the relevant media reports, but I found that you have removed the controversy note on 6 of May. I don't understand why you have removed it, in spite of providing the truth-worthy links. Please respond so that I improve my mistake a resubmit the Controversy note. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mpanday2012 (talk • contribs) 05:55, 7 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I reverted your edit from several reasons, all stemming from out neutral point of view policy. First, you singled out Graphic Era University, where 44 deemed universities which were listed. Second, you used biased language and did not mention the other side of the coin at all, see the material we have at List of deemed universities. If you wish to add the material again, please do so to all 44 articles, and use neutral language, reporting about the entire issue. In the name of neutrality, I would recommend not using the term "Controversy" at all. Instead, create a section "Deemed University status" and start with a sentence about the date in which the university gained the status. Then move to the subject of the proposal to revoke the status, and mention the current status. --Muhandes (talk) 07:38, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

List of National Institutes in India
What is happening Mr. Muhandes? Discuss your points first on the talk page of the concerned article. How can you directly go for posting some deletion notice? I am reverting your edit. First discuss your point. I thought you would have understood from the edit summary that I had written. Let me detail them here. At first, I thought some novice kid is playing with random articles. That is why I didn't care to comment on your talk page. But just now I have seen that you started editing from 2008 and regularly from 2010. How can then you act in such irresponsible manner? Show respect in these fora. We all are trying to improve the flow of information in the world. I'm reverting your edit again. If you are still unsatisfied with the explanation, COMMENT ON TALK page first. Aravind V R (talk) 10:26, 7 May 2012 (UTC)
 * 1) References: No list contains any reference for individual items. The users can go to each of these articles to read referenced text regarding them
 * 2) Notability: Do you really think the national institutes of a nation (with 1/6th of world's population) doesn't have noticability? That is one of the most frivolous arguments I've heard. In fact in Civil Service Examination written by some 5 lakh students every year contains questions regarding the locations and functions of these institutes.
 * I do not want to split the discussion, so I ask that you make any comments you may have at the AfD discussion. I would recommend you read Manual of Style/Stand-alone lists first, especially WP:SLC. Reverting an AfD request is against policy, so please don't do that. --Muhandes (talk) 10:46, 7 May 2012 (UTC)

LosMismos
thanx for the help I just learned how to do pictures and stuff I provided the website in which the pics were posted from its all on the internet just wanted Los Mismos to have their own article and albums. and the last picture of Los Bukis por amor a mi pueblo I just wanted to make it bigger it all looks better now. though some punk keeps on editing the sections of both Los Bukis and Los Mismos. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sc30002001 (talk • contribs) 06:23, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
 * If you are referring to the edits by Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars, the ones I looked at are perfectly proper. You, on the other hand, are making personal attacks. Please stop that or you may be blocked. --Muhandes (talk) 06:44, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

Los Mismos main picture
can you please fix it I used to own the CD and I found it on the internet. I provided the link its on yahoo music Los Mismos 30 exitos inusperables — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sc30002001 (talk • contribs) 07:11, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry, but as I explained on your talk page, this cannot be fixed. The CD cover is owned by the band or their label, and without their release we cannot use it outside an article about the album itself, see WP:NFCC for details. --Muhandes (talk) 07:33, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
 * its cool dude and to answer your question about was its there because the band is no longer recording is implies that the band is still around. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sc30002001 (talk • contribs) 08:25, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
 * The band is a "was", the albums are "is". Whitney Houston was an American recording artist. I'm Your Baby Tonight is the third studio album by Whitney Houston. You may want to take into consideration that Starcheerspeaksnewslostwars has edited, what, three thousand album articles? Maybe he knows what he is doing? Perhaps just slightly, not much, more than you? --Muhandes (talk) 08:29, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

Los Mismos
Hello all im looking for is for the article of Los Mismos to have its own picture on the main article Its a free domain because the picture of my choosing can be found on the internet. I talked to a contributer and he said. the picture was an album cover I also provide the link in which the picture can be found Los Mismos are the former members of Los Bukis. Today all of the members are gone even though they continue using the name. please help me with the picture I intend no copy right infrigment. here is a picture I found thats not an album picture. http://enplenovuelomx.es.tl/Los-Mismos.htm here is the link to the website, the picture is dark blue and the original members are dressed in white suits thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sc30002001 (talk • contribs) 07:48, 11 May 2012‎
 * Have you read Wikipedia's copyright policy? I'm afraid without release of an image to the public domain, we cannot use it, outside very limited circumstances, which I don't believe apply here. I don't see any evidence that the image you point to is in the public domain. --Muhandes (talk) 05:42, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

Removing Education in India
Education in India was recently overhauled, following discussion in WP:INEI and the template talk page. Following the overhaul, the navbox now smartly transcludes Education in Indian cities, Higher education in India and School education in India. The top template should now only be used for very generic subject articles, and the "Education in State" lists.

Moving on to apply the template, I noticed it is transcluded 584 times which seems excessive. Doing further investigation revealed that 467 of these transclusions also transclude Education in Tamil Nadu, again very excessive. My guess is that the editor that added Education in Tamil Nadu thought it would be a good idea to transclude both. As the navbox now includes subjects which are very unlikely to be the interest of a reader of an article about a single institution, I am going to remove the transclusion from most of these 467 articles. If some of the subjects in Education in India are of interest to all articles which transclude Education in Tamil Nadu, they should be added to Education in Tamil Nadu. --Muhandes (talk) 10:36, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * Good thing we have WP:AWB. Cheers! --Muhandes (talk) 05:47, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

Los Mismos
that was my friend he doesnt used wiki I used another account because I didnt want to get blocked I scanned the Los Mismos picture you deleted and placed it under the free media however I will no longer try because its been hell I thought id give it a try because I read the information on the saved by the bell picture. the dude cropped it from his laptop as I did with mine and you still said it was not free content. all im looking for is for Los Mismos to have their own picture if ya want I can describe it more as I only put they were dressed in white I also told my friend that if its deleted even though I scanned it myself to screw it if you remove it. meaning I will no longer attempt to upload it even though its my picture. its from my personal collection. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sc30002001 (talk • contribs) 20:58, 17 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Buying the album does not give you ownership of the cover album. It is not "your picture". I have no idea what "the saved by the bell picture" is, but if you point me to it, I will check. What I do know is that album covers are protected by copyright, and owned either by the record company, the recording artist, or the cover artist. We are using them under WP:NFCC only to illustrate articles about the albums. If you want to add an image of Los Mismos you would have to take one yourself, or find one that is in the public domain. --Muhandes (talk) 05:46, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to vandalize Wikipedia, as you did at Safdar Ali, you may be blocked from editing.
Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to vandalize Wikipedia, as you did at Safdar Ali, you may be blocked from editing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.45.83.8 (talk) 03:23, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Seems like the community thinks it is the other way around. --Muhandes (talk) 07:49, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

Los Mismos
how about you look for the picture and add it on there that way you and I are both Happy look at both of the first two albums and find a picture with those six guys in. the remaing members of Los Bukis are Joel Solis, Roberto Guadarrama, Eusebio "El Chivo" Cortez, Jose "Pepe Guadarrama, and Pedro Sanchez. the lead singer is Pedro Velazquez. you should find it because no matter what picture I have or find you will delete it for one reason or another so you should put it on there so that your happy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sc30002001 (talk • contribs) 07:07, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I will remove any image you put. I will remove any copyright protected image you put, since Wikipedia is law-abiding and will not let you use an image against copyright laws. If you have a free image, e.g. one you took yourself with a camera (not scanned) and are willing to release to the public, by all means, use it. Album covers are protected by copyright. --Muhandes (talk) 07:54, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

I have no personal picture on camera look for it on a free public domain. the fomer bukis are not in Los Mismos no more other then pedro sanchez, and Roberto even though the group has made changes they are still using the name but the 3 original members of Los Bukis left they were Joel solis, Eusebio Cortez and Jose pepe Guadarrama. look for a picture on a free public domain like you said. and put it on here. that way you wont delete and we can all be happy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sc30002001 (talk • contribs) 22:04, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

Splitting Janet Jacksons Discography
There was talk in Januray 2011 Of users splitting Janet's Discgography into two (albums and singles discography) Like most artists with big discogs. I almost did it succesfully last night till i made a caps error witch completely wrecked everything. I was told by the mods to ask other editers for help and i notice you do some editing with some of her albums aswell. Would you be interested? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tombo671 (talk • contribs) 07:50, 9 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Simple suggestion, do it on your own user space, then when it is done, ask me or another editor to have a look and move them to the main space. Not long ago I did that myself, splitting List of universities in India into four articles. --Muhandes (talk) 08:03, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

The albums is done! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Tombo671

I'll do the singles once you have moved. Feel free adding any good information the page might need — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tombo671 (talk • contribs) 07:36, 13 May 2012 (UTC)


 * I think it would be advisable to create both pages and then move them at once. I moved the one you already created to User:Tombo671/Janet Jackson albums discography and I suggest you do the other one at User:Tombo671/Janet Jackson singles discography.--Muhandes (talk) 08:43, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

DONE! I'll be adding more info within the next few days but i think both articles are ready Tombo671 (talk) 11:57, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

Both are definitely ready to be moved now, i have completed all information.Tombo671 (talk) 15:50, 25 May 2012 (UTC)


 * The reason I did not move them is that I noticed another editor is involved with this, and in fact has left you some messages in your talk page. I rather not enter a place which already seems overcrowded. Why don't you discuss things with him and reach some agreement? His version does have the benefits he pointed out. Anyway, I'm going to be away for several days, good luck with this. --Muhandes (talk) 16:22, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

re: 1967-1970 Correct title...yeah
Hi Muhandes. I've just added a comment to a discussion you were involved in late last year, about the two 1973 Beatles comps, which might be of interest ... Cheers JG66 (talk) 17:42, 26 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Truth be told, I wasn't really interested in the discussion in the first place. My point was that this is not a "non-controversial move", and while a new discussion was not started, we are safe in keeping the title the previous discussion came to. --Muhandes (talk) 18:08, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

Nagpur
I can see that you have many good contributions to wikipedia but about the article on nagpur city, India. You have changed the city's status from Second capital to Capital which is wrong. So, with all due respect, please stop changing the status. You can also check the reference "http://nagpur.nic.in/" under history tab. Nagpur became second capital of Maharashtra State in 1960. earlier it was capital of Madhya Pradesh State. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Adityagirhe (talk • contribs) 17:05, 27 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Please see Infobox Indian jurisdiction. The field you are relating to is not an open text field, it must be one of the official values. --Muhandes (talk) 18:05, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

Mark E. Nevin
Hello Muhandes, I am very confused as to why you have re-directed the Mark E Nevin page to the Fairground Attraction page - am I not allowed to exist outside of my old band ? how come you decide? one other former member has a page and a link from the Fairground Attractyion page - how is that allowed and not mine? - I am very confused. Thank you - Mark Nevin - joyebellesringing
 * I left you a note on your own talk page. To answer your questions in short, the article you created does not establish notability so it was redirected. Eddi Reader's article establishes notability (multiple charting albums) so it was not redirected. As to who decides, I do not decide, the community does. Therefore, I invited you to discuss the matter at the band's talk page. However, Autobiography is very clear on not allowing a person to write his own article, so even if other editors think an article should be created, it will not be by you I am afraid. --Muhandes (talk) 11:36, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

Institutes of national Importance ,India
The Government of India has recently inculded IIITs in the INI list and i had edited it on its behalf.I want to know why it has been reverted back.

Also i upgraded some data on this page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Institute_of_Information_Technology,_Design_and_Manufacturing,_Jabalpur

which was true and real as i am a student of this institute, yet it being reverted back i want to know the reason where i made a mistake if it was. Thank You Ankit91m (talk) 07:48, 29 May 2012 (UTC)Ankit91m
 * I have absolutely no idea why you choose to discuss matters of content at my talk page rather than at the talk pages of the relevant articles, but I will entertain you. Furthermore, each of my edits includes an edit summaries which clearly explains the issues, but I will repeat them here.
 * Regarding INI, you have not provided a reliable source that shows IIITs were declared INIs. You mentioned this web page on the edit summary but it doesn't say IIITs are INIs. It says "In India, all of the IITs, NITs, AIIMS, NIPERs, ISI and some other institutes". The list below that section is clearly not a list of INIs, as it includes Universities, Board of Technical Education, Statutory Councils of India, Research Councils of India etc. It is just a list of institutes under or related to AICTE.
 * Regarding the edit to Indian Institute of Information Technology, Design and Manufacturing, Jabalpur, the list of every single member of the BoG is very clearly WP:INDISCRIMINATE. Not that it is indicative but you will not find this on other institute articles too. If you wish us to add the list of members of the BoG to every single article of an education institute in India, please start discussion at WP:INEI. The issue with the "Research and Development" section was similar. If you wish to write a section about research at the institute, that is fine. But just listing every single area in which research is performed is very clearly a violation of WP:INDISCRIMINATE. Also, you did not provide a source, so if you write a section on the matter, please supply one. --Muhandes (talk) 08:40, 29 May 2012 (UTC)

Template talk:Anticon
READ MY MESSAGE ON Template talk:Anticon!!!!

YOU LET ME DISCUSS!!

WHY ARE YOU IGNORING ME, DUDE???!!???! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 118.6.121.168 (talk) 21:26, 30 May 2012 (UTC)


 * BTW, SHOUTS OUT TO SineBot!!! IGOTIT! 118.6.121.168 (talk) 21:56, 30 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Please be civil and don't shout. You are welcome to discuss the subject, or the label, but please avoid personal attacks and ad hominem arguments. I also suggests you open an account, having to leave comments at pages of numerous IPs is cumbersome. I am not ignoring you, I will read your message in time and answer it. In the meanwhile, please familiarize yourself with the WP:BRD process and stop edit warring. I don't operate SineBot, so if you have a problem with it, leave the operator a message, don't ask me to do that for you. --Muhandes (talk) 05:33, 31 May 2012 (UTC)
 * i left you a message on Template talk:Anticon and Talk:Anticon. read it read it.118.8.149.204 (talk) 09:21, 31 May 2012 (UTC)
 * There is no need to let me know, I have the articles on my watch list. --Muhandes (talk) 09:42, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

Doug West
The IP's edit to Doug West did appear to be correct. It was an unsourced addition, but not vandalism. (It is the kind of fact that can quickly go out of date, so I won't bother restoring it. But the warning you left on the IP's talk page is going to cause confusion.) Zagal e jo^^^ 20:12, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for noticing that, I meant to leave an "unsourced" warning and must have mis-clicked. --Muhandes (talk) 20:16, 4 June 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * I'm delighted to hear that. Cheers! --Muhandes (talk) 11:36, 5 June 2012 (UTC)
 * ....btw..you are not an admin yet!?  ƬheⱾtrike  Ҿagle  ™  11:42, 5 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Someone offered to nominate me but I declined, no time for it. --Muhandes (talk) 13:40, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

Help needed for a citation
At Academi, after the line, "The Obama administration awarded Academi a $250 million contract to work for the U.S. State Department and the Central Intelligence Agency in Afghanistan.", a citation is provided [(http://www.thenation.com/blog/36756/blackwaters-new-sugar-daddy-obama-administration)]. It is from a widely read magazine's online blog written by a commentator with ~50000 followers. Even though the statement is not exactly collaborated in the blog article, please suggest if such a reference can be used on wikipedia at all, as personal blogs are generally not allowed on wikipedia. Thanks! Anir1uph (talk) 15:17, 6 June 2012 (UTC)
 * You have two issues here. The fact isn't collaborated in the blog article, and the blog article has doubtful reliability. I would, at the very least, tag it as failing verification. I am not familiar with this blog so can't say much about its reliability, why not ask at WP:RSN? --Muhandes (talk) 08:34, 7 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the help! Anir1uph (talk) 09:10, 7 June 2012 (UTC)

Anonymous IP
Hi Muhandes. The Anonymous IP seems to have registered an account as User:Tasketz Kayo. The user seems to have listened to you and created the Sole and the Skyrider Band (band) article. Unfortunately they also created a duplicate of the album article which I merged and redirected (I'm hoping this doesn't start another edit war).

I don't see an issue with requesting the article names now being swapped around, but would appreciate a second opinion. Thanks. memphisto 08:23, 7 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Makes sense. It can be done with least hassle by requesting a delete of the album article, then moving the article and then moving the band. I requested the first delete. --Muhandes (talk) 08:30, 7 June 2012 (UTC)

New IITs, Old IITs
I don't get the reason why the distinction of New IITs and Old IITs have been kept, Were not all the IITs new at some point of the time. Is'nt Roorkee a new IIT? There is no point to keep this fictitious distinction. Also What is the rationale for ordering of the colleges or their pics in a particular order, is'nt it shows some bias? Why not made them alphabeticall strictly or if quality or ranking is some criteria, then Put them by ranks. Just by putting Your college under Old IIT and upper in the table or pic, You people want to show your supremacy, which is wrong. Either Equality must be maintained or if meritocracy then strict ranking. No False distinctions like old and new IITs — Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.163.211.149 (talk) 07:20, 9 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Since you asked the same question both here, and in the appropriate place, I will take the liberty to only answer it once, at the proper place. Best regards. --Muhandes (talk) 17:47, 9 June 2012 (UTC)

Bhagwat Rawat Page
Hi:

I have noticed that you have removed the 'Awards' from Bhagwat Rawat page, even though it had proper reference, the official website of Government of Madhya PRadesh, highlighting the recipients of the award in various years. kindly guide if there is a particular methodology to include the same.

Regards, — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bishnoi.amitabh (talk • contribs) 02:47, 10 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry, but the only thing provided next to the award in the last version is a footnote "Awarded the Shikhar Samman (Literature) by Government of Madhya Pradesh", there was no source provided. While we are discussing, you have indicated that the image is your own work. Could you please elaborate on the date and place in which you took this image? What camera was used? --Muhandes (talk) 05:23, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

DoMS NIT Trichy
You have removed the photos siting it redundant. I mean doesn't the photos also give an authentication that the award has been awarded to the institute. Found it somewhere that there must be as many authentication as possible. That is the reason the photos were added. Can it be reposted in the page, if its not an issue. Thanks and Regards --Anshumandutta (talk) 09:10, 11 June 2012 (UTC)
 * A photo can't serve as an authentication anyway. I can easily create a photo saying I was awarded a Nobel prize. You need secondary, reliable sources. --Muhandes (talk) 09:11, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

Ok! I can understand now. So can the photos be reinstated. Actually what I am not able to understand is somedays back when the photos were not uploaded without the incline citation it was removed (thats wikipedia policy) Then I uploaded the images along with the inline citation availabe,another editor helped me to arrange the images with a major clean up. now Sir u r removing, I am getting a bit confused on what and how to do. --Anshumandutta (talk) 09:22, 11 June 2012 (UTC)


 * I don't know what another editor has said or done, but I believe I am speaking from knowledge of both the policies and the common practice. Images cannot and should not be used to verify facts. Facts should be verified by reliable secondary sources. Images can be used to illustrate aspects which are already discussed in the article. Note that "illustrate" is very different than "decorate", see e.g. WP:IG and WP:IMAGE. The images of the awards add nothing to the text and are decorative at best (and promotional at worst). You don't see images of awards on any of the other thousands of college articles, and for a good reason. --Muhandes (talk) 09:34, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

ok, understood. This is regarding the citation- There was no newspaper article published when the award the received. So, will you tell me what can be done? These are few links availabe http://domsnittrichy.wordpress.com/2011/03/21/outstanding-b-school-award/ http://www.domsnitt.in/news/news.php

Will you please tell me what can be done?Anshumandutta (talk) 09:45, 11 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I suggest you read WP:V, WP:RS and WP:OR (specifically WP:SECONDARY). Both of these sources are primary, not secondary. The first is not reliable as it is self-published (see WP:SPS). Since awards are something that is likely to be contested, a reliable source is required. If you cannot supply one, the fact can (and probably should) be removed. --Muhandes (talk) 15:15, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

CCS HAU
Hello! Long time! I remember that you were always interested in Education in India, so I have come to you to ask for help. I am rewriting CCS HAU again as it contains a lot of mistakes, incomplete information and copyrights violation. I aim to take it to the GA level. I will add all the information but I am going to need your help in improving the language and style of writing as I'm not very good at it. So, please let me know if you are interested. And I have improved a lot as an editor. So, won't be doing silly mistakes I used to do earlier. Regards, Vishal14K | Talk 07:55, 16 June 2012 (UTC)


 * While I have some doubts it can be taken to GA with the type of sources available, I'd be happy to assist. Let me know when you are done with your initial run over the article and I will have a look. --Muhandes (talk) 08:34, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

Do you have some knowledge about NIT Durgapur?
I am going to take admission there. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mrsud (talk • contribs) 07:40, 19 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Not more than what the article says. I would really not recommend Wikipedia as a source for information about education. --Muhandes (talk) 08:31, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

Help
How to cite a source? By providing reference? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikiindiarocks (talk • contribs) 18:23, 20 June 2012 (UTC)
 * See WP:CITE on how to provide inline citation. --Muhandes (talk) 18:31, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

Added back info and alumni
The removal of some alumni from Notable alumni of College of Engineering, Pune is not justifiable. If people who have received awards of the order of Padmashree and people who have worked as Vice-Chancellors and Managing Directors are not considered as "notable", please define notability. Reverting changes made by you on this article until sufficient reasoning is not obtained. Thanks. Jobin Fire me here  16:59, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
 * You seem like an experienced editor, do I really need to define notability for you? How about WP:GNG, WP:BIO, WP:ACADEMIC ? I agree Padmashree is usually enough for notability, but a managing director of a company? A professor emeritus? Beside, the standard procedure is to require an article about the person, since demonstrating notability in the small space in a list is usually impossible. --Muhandes (talk) 17:24, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I agree with you, but since there were too many removals, including people who really deserved to be there, were not included, compelled my to write to you. Anyway, some of them, though deserving, do not have an article dedicated to them, for whatever reasons. I'll make due changes in Notable alumni of College of Engineering, Pune, keeping a little bit of leniency for people who do not pages on Wikipedia, yet deserving. Jobin  Fire me here  07:31, 23 June 2012 (UTC)
 * As long as we agree that only notable people should be listed, and you are going to make the changed yourself, I am going to step away. Best regards. --Muhandes (talk) 07:49, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

Indian Institute Of Technology - wiki page
I saw that you are putting back version which has amended IIT term. I attended IIT 15 years ago. In USA we have very active brand name of IIT and I have never seen anyone using Amended IIT term. We should not start categorizing IIT but it is all right to use established IIT and new IIT for next few years. New IITs are still in process of getting their campus but we should try to not invent words like amended IIT jut because parliament used that term while passing the bill. No one uses that term. Why are you using amended IIT term? Eventually we should have just one term IIT and not have categories.

There was ranking by outlook in 2012 which coveys that IITs have 7 out of top 8 spot. It's better to use it rather than some older ranking. Why you are putting reference for some older ranking rather than using latest ranking?

IIT's name in bold makes it easier to read about different IIT. Why you are putting back older version wihch is difficult to read?

Please discuss rather than reverting all changes made by 4-5 people. Edit war does not help so don't keep reverting to some old version.

Please discuss with reasons. why you disagree with changes made by everyone else so we can put the better information in Wiki. Wiki is editable by everyone but let's try to put best possible information.

- IITwiki — Preceding unsigned comment added by IITwiki (talk • contribs) 22:02, 24 June 2012 (UTC)

Muhandes - Please bear with me. I don't use Wiki too much and stumbled into it while googling something. I realized that better place to discuss is IIT page itself so I left comment there. You can reply there only so you don't have to reply at two places.

IITwiki (talk) 23:05, 24 June 2012 (UTC) IITwiki


 * Regarding the article itself, I made some comments at the talk page. Regarding edit warring, I left some clarifications at your talk page. Best regards. --Muhandes (talk) 07:43, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

Aaliyah
In the Aaliyah page, section "2000–01: Romeo Must Die and eponymous album" is saying that the Aaliyah album spent 68 weeks on the Billboard 200. I can't edit it. Can you please change 68 weeks for 188 weeks, according to Billboard's site? Thank you... --189.5.59.87 (talk) 19:26, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
 * ✅ --Muhandes (talk) 21:52, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

Good work on Indian articles


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I was browsing National Institute of Technology, Durgapur history saw your good work in cleaning it up. I have removed some more puffery from the article. I am sure you must be aware but even then I would like to tell you that there is a WP:BIAS as far as the internet coverage in India is concerned. Print media is still largely popular in the country although there are some national newspaper websites (and few regional as well). Its not easy to get sources even for well known facts as they will be found on offline sources. But please note that this is no excuse for WP:Puffery, please use your good judgement in censoring the original research and puffery, and use good faith for statements that might be correct, even if unsourced. Please take my comment with a pinch of salt, if you already know these things. Just wanted to let you know. thanks a lot for your contributions. cheers-- D Big X ray  14:50, 2 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I do try to assume good faith, but I think boosterism should not be accepted. Unfortunately, from my experience in the last two years of editing articles about education in India, it seems that 95% of the edits made are promotional in nature. For sure there is an issue of bias, but I think this is mostly coverage bias, not content bias. I don't see why you think the lack on online sources is a problem. Who said sources should be online? --Muhandes (talk) 15:42, 2 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Agreed, I am myself against puffery and boosterism, and regularly clean up whenever I find these. Your observation regarding promotional nature is largely due to the ignorance about Wiki policies, I think people inadvertently assume Wikipedia is some kind of blog where they can write whatever they like, specially the school kids and people lacking much experience about the internet. But things are improving. :) -- D Big X ray  17:14, 2 July 2012 (UTC)