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User:SharedIPArchiveBot
Can you and reactivate this bot. It used to mark shared IPs of schools and High schools used for vandalism. Today i found out about this bot which has become inactive since 2012. --Galaxy Kid (talk) 11:30, 17 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Per the BRFA, this needs consensus. I was considering implementing something to archive old warnings into Twinkle. That would clean out many talk pages quickly, without the need of a bot &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  15:18, 17 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Looking at an IP, its not possible to know whether it belongs to a school. There is bot which blocks proxy IPs. I was thinking if there would be a bot which would automatically put the school IP/ Instituion Ip whois message on top of the IP talk page, it would save the time of users. WHOIS is slow. Sometimes I do whois and don't get any satisfactory result. How the others found that the IP belonged to a college, Library, i don't know. IPs may even change from a user. If a bot updates the latest WHOIS detail it would be time saver. I am able to track school IPs as someone else already did the job months ago. There might be new School IPs also.  --Galaxy Kid (talk) 15:27, 17 November 2015 (UTC)
 * A bot that does all the WHOIS work isn't a bad idea, but expensive. Still needs consensus, maybe post at WP:VPP? For the record, I regularly run WHOIS's on IPs and am able to decipher if it's a school, and it goes pretty fast for me using domaintools.com. See my block log &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  15:50, 17 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I would volunteer, but I'm still working on my own archiving project.—cyberpower Chat:Limited Access 02:27, 18 November 2015 (UTC)

Persistent vandalism of University of Georgia
As soon as the temporary protection of University of Georgia is lifted, the IP vandalism begins again. Abel (talk) 16:57, 18 November 2015 (UTC)
 * That user is causing disruption elsewhere, I just blocked them. &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  17:11, 18 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Abel (talk) 20:20, 18 November 2015 (UTC)

Ballot spam
Thank you for removing the ballot spam from my talk page.

I was looking around for somewhere to report it, and you already removed it for me. I removed the last spam from Gyrofrog's talk page, and I think all of the spam is gone.

I'm not quite sure how that spammer found me. --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 19:20, 18 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Yeah I dunno either. Maybe recent changes? &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  19:22, 18 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Recent changes? As in my userpage? I'm trying to think how that spammer would find us, and only a select number of users. It might have to do with who was online at the time, but I'm probably way off. The thing that is odd about it, is that the account was made today and I've never heard of this person until the spam. --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 20:49, 18 November 2015 (UTC)
 * By recent changes I meant Special:RecentChanges. I saw you were active not long before they did this. My guess is they went there, but who knows =P &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  21:04, 18 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Ahh. I did notice that some of the spam was directed at users who were online at the time. Makes sense. Okay, thank you! --MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 21:47, 18 November 2015 (UTC)

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Twinkling
Hey MA, is there a way to add as a custom template on Twinkle and make it work? It's there in my custom list (see User:SpacemanSpiff/twinkleoptions.js) but it's a two parameter template so when I try to use it via Twinkle I get error messages. I'd asked at WT:Twinkle a while back but didn't get a response. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SpacemanSpiff (talk • contribs)
 * Oooh! You know what would be really useful? A new type of warning list containing all the discretionary notices. The code would prompt the user to check the log before proceeding. --Neil N  talk to me 14:44, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
 * How many discretionary notices are there? Is it reasonable to show the list only for sysops? I just feel there's a small population who would actually use it &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  15:29, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Listed here. You could start with admins. --Neil N  talk to me 15:33, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
 * NeilN hit the next point I was going to bring up. I tried messing around with the Ds/alerts too by trying to add the parameters within the template but it didn't work for me. I sometimes just let Twinkle add the base note and then I go in and modify the parameters in the next edit. If you click preview after choosing Ds/alert in custom warnings you'll get the drop down list of all this stuff, just that there's no place to add the choice to. You can try adding the three custom warnings I have on my list MA, those should cover the permutations and combinations for all sanctions or pre-sanction warnings (the templates may vary, but the parameters would be the same). &mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  15:40, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Adding more templates to the Tag/Warn modules is such a common request... maybe as a start I'll just rework the custom warnings so as to allow for parameters to passed in, just as you describe. The big thing I'd like to do is set up "extensions", whereby you could source some list of warnings/tags from a different file, and maybe also full-on extended functionality. So here we'll have something like Template:Ds/alert/Twinkle that lists all the necessary code. Then in your own Twinkle config you'll add extensions: [ 'Template:Ds/alert/Twinkle', 'some/other/extension' ]", and it will just work. Easier said than done, for sure, but again given we get these types of requests so often I feel it will be worthwhile.Finally I will be sure to make note of the Twinkle discretionary notices extension in our upcoming, fully comprehensive admin guide! &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  15:59, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm guessing this'll be done by tomorrow? Just kidding, this sounds like a good option as only a small subset of admins are even likely to use these. Let me know when you think something's ready to be beta tested. cheers. &mdash; Spaceman  Spiff  17:01, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Haha! Thanks for the chuckle. The extension thing will be a big step up for Twinkle, but as I said I can at least get the custom warnings to work with added parameters. I'll let you know! :) &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  17:15, 19 November 2015 (UTC)

Your draft article, Draft:Maria Dakake


Hello, MusikAnimal. It has been over six months since you last edited your Articles for Creation draft article submission, "Maria Dakake".

In accordance with our policy that Articles for Creation is not for the indefinite hosting of material deemed unsuitable for the encyclopedia mainspace, the draft has been nominated for deletion. If you plan on working on it further, or editing it to address the issues raised if it was declined, simply and remove the  or  code.

If your submission has already been deleted by the time you get there, and you wish to retrieve it, you can request its undeletion by following the instructions at this link. An administrator will, in most cases, restore the submission so you can continue to work on it.

Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. Sam Sailor Talk! 16:54, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Please notify the actual author . I moved it to the draft space on behalf of them. I see you used Twinkle, which automatically notified me. I'll have to put in a fix to look for the u parameter of the AFC submission template, which specifies the actual page creator for situations like this. Best &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  17:09, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Err.. actually you used WP:AFCH. I guess they need to put in a fix, then! &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  17:10, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks, yes, but did you notice that Quran Scholar did get a message a second after you ? I have M:User:Hedonil/XTools (very useful) in my global.js, normally that together with the part of User:Equazcion/ExperiencedEditorPack that highlights admins should have warned me, but that function of EEP seems not to work in draft space. Best, Sam Sailor Talk! 17:22, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
 * No worries! I am not offended. As I said this should be the responsibility of the notification script, e.g. what if I wasn't an admin? You shouldn't have to do all that checking. We'll get it sorted out, and I can at least fix it for Twinkle as I'm pretty sure it has the same problem. &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  17:44, 19 November 2015 (UTC)

Renew PC...? (19 November 2015)
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Hello, I'm Chazpelo. Your recent edit to the page Talk:Wiki appears to have added incorrect information, so I have removed it for now. If you believe the information was correct, please cite a reliable source or discuss your change on the article's talk page. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. ''i reverted your edits... however. why did you fix the date. you should not. i was so confused.'' &#32;Chazpelo (talk) 18:07, 22 November 2015 (UTC)
 * You removed the timestamp, so I added it back, going by the date you added the comment. Timestamps are required. &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  19:17, 22 November 2015 (UTC)
 * its readded.... --&#32;Chazpelo (talk) 19:17, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

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Twinkle error
Temporaray pending changes is fixed, but indefinite pending changes is still bugged. --The Avengers (talk) 17:42, 23 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Hmm, so all of a sudden the temporary pending changes works, where it didn't before? Could you do another test of indef PC here on enwiki and note any JS errors you see? &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  18:25, 23 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Can you explain the JSerror part in detail. What i must do? Is this my own personal problem?The Avengers (talk) 18:29, 23 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Same procedure you did on testwiki. Open up the JS console and then request indef pending changes, here on enwiki. Then let me know if you see any errors you see &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  18:35, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

It showed error "https://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Gadget-revisionjumper.js&action=raw&ctype=text/javascript Failed to load resource: net::ERR_CONNECTION_REFUSED Hagia_Sophia:1 GET https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/55/WMA_button2b.png/17px-WMA_button2b.png net::ERR_CONNECTION_REFUSED "

but it worked for pending changes and it didn't show any error indefinite pending changes is also working. The Avengers (talk) 02:34, 24 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Both of those errors are unrelated to Twinkle. I'm baffled. I guess let me know if it happens again. My only other guess is it's some kind of timing issue, but I feel like we have had other reports of the issue if this were the case. &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  03:58, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

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I am not alone
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--The Avengers (talk) 16:50, 24 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm going to make the safe assumption this happened when you requested PC as "disruptive editing" or "persistent addition of unsourced content"? If so (GitHub issue). Completely my fault. Sorry. And thank you for identifying the issue and bringing it my attention! :) &mdash;  MusikAnimal  talk  19:36, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

WP:VPP/WP:VPR
Hi, are you're still interested in a VPP / VPR on the new Help:Introduction to pages for MW and VE and bringing up the idea of integrating those pages into the tutorial/training/welcoming pages and templates? I think we've got a good starting set to begin with and the template is pretty stable now. T.Shafee(Evo&#65120;Evo)talk 10:22, 21 November 2015 (UTC)


 * Wow! I did not even know about the other Help:Introduction to pages. This is fantastic, and exactly what I've been looking for when linking newcomers to guides. I am a big fan of this model that breaks it down into easy to understand components, with a clear progression and easy navigation. So yes, I am in favour of increasing the visibility of these pages. Just take a moment to look at what we have now... Introduction 2 (just links to other guides), the enormous page Contributing to Wikipedia which is linked to on New contributors' help page and other newbie pages, meanwhile Plain and simple doesn't look that appealing, etc. The intro pages in my opinion should be the full extent of where we send newcomers. I mean Template:Wikipedia help pages is just downright scary, though we could keep that template and reserve it for the intermediate guides. I guess what I'm trying to say is the public-facing links from the most visible templates should go straight to newbie guides.I don't think we'll run into much opposition updating the visible templates to link to the new intro pages, but it's probably worth getting more input. I guess we need to do an audit and list which pages we plan to update. Certainly the welcome templates used by Twinkle and other semi-automated tools should be the first to be updated, I think. &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  17:47, 21 November 2015 (UTC)


 * The original format, I think, was pioneered by back in 2012 with WP:INTREF. I've since formalised it into a  template, and made a little  navigation box. A agree that it'll be best to pull together a list of pages to update. T.Shafee(Evo&#65120;Evo)talk 02:06, 22 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Also, has done a pretty good job of piping in links from around the maze of help pages to go to the relevant Help:intro to pages. Certainly some of the standard new-editor welcoming templates might be worthwhile linking from, although I don't really know anything about that sector of Wikipedia. My eventual aim is to replace the main WP:T with something that offers WikiMarkup and VisualEditor together as alternatives (like the Help:Intro to navigation page). I'm also not sure whether Help:Referencing for beginners with citation templates and Help:Referencing for beginners without using templates are necessary given the existence of WP:INTREF and WP:INTREF(VE). What do you think? T.Shafee(Evo&#65120;Evo)talk 11:38, 25 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Agreed, we can probably redirect those pages to WP:INTREF. I would boldy just do it, but I see there are semi-recent edits to them, so let's post a message on the talk pages first. &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  15:52, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

Need some help
Hello MusikAnimal! I need some help regarding Account Creation Interface. If you can help me please see THIS page. Thank You-- Musa  Talk  21:06, 25 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry, I'm not familiar with the account creation interface or how it works. There are numerous developers who I assume they've contacted, according to the discussion. I'm sure they'll get it figured out for you! &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  22:45, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

When you're awake
Any idea what's happening here (scroll down)? --Neil N  talk to me</i> 10:27, 26 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Never mind, I just removed the first malformed report. --<b style="color:navy">Neil N </b> <i style="color:blue">talk to me</i> 11:28, 26 November 2015 (UTC)

Please kick the Xtools server
Thanks. --<b style="color:navy">Neil N </b> <i style="color:blue">talk to me</i> 20:24, 25 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Done, and for the record I've tried and tried and tried to get a cron to restart it automatically, to no avail. I even had the Labs admins have a look at it, and they can't figure it out either. For now a manual restart is apparently the only solution :/ &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  20:43, 25 November 2015 (UTC)
 * 00 00,04,08,12,16,20 * * * /home/neiln/bin/pokeMusikAnimal.sh --<b style="color:navy">Neil N </b> <i style="color:blue">talk to me</i> 20:50, 25 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Might want to try kicking it off with "set -x" and then "env -i". In my experience if a job runs from command line, but not cron it's either depending on an environment variable in the users profile, or the job needs to be started with a particular working directory. — Strongjam (talk) 20:57, 25 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Hahaha!!! This is fantastic NeilN. Though I think I should get only half of those pokes and the other half, that'd at least allow me some time to sleep :) &mdash;  MusikAnimal  talk  21:40, 25 November 2015 (UTC)
 * and, I think I fixed it!! I was told the "attribute caching" (T106170) issue was resolved, but apparently not. I did a stat webstart.sh and bammo got the email of a successful restart :) Not sure why I didn't try that until now. Anyway, it's restarting the service once daily. I think that should suffice. We'll adjust the cron schedule if need be. Cheers &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  23:47, 25 November 2015 (UTC)

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Next time I'll have to write the message on a VT100 and take a picture of that. --<b style="color:navy">Neil N </b> <i style="color:blue">talk to me</i> 15:03, 26 November 2015 (UTC)

Motorcycle history
Renew PC? --George Ho (talk) 23:41, 26 November 2015 (UTC)

Twinkle Non-English Welcomes
Can you add Hindi, Tamil, Kannada and Telugu. --The Avengers (talk) 11:27, 26 November 2015 (UTC)
 * At present I can't see any Non-English welcome templates for these languages in Category:Non-English welcome messages. If you know any of these languages, feel free to create the relevant templates; then they can be added to Twinkle. — This, that and the other (talk) 10:24, 27 November 2015 (UTC)

30 Seconds to Mars (album)
Hi MusikAnimal. I've done some rewriting on the article 30 Seconds to Mars (album), which you reviewed for GA last November. Would you mind checking if everything is okay? Thank you.--Earthh (talk) 12:34, 27 November 2015 (UTC)

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Renew PC? --George Ho (talk) 00:10, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Should I PC protect all other 49 states as well? &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  05:58, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
 * California is indefinitely semi-protected. I'll ping HJ Mitchell to ask whether settings should be lowered to pending changes. Same for some other pages that are semi-protected. New York is semi-protected until 2018. I'll ping Acalamari about Florida. Illinois isn't edit-protected, so that's up to you. Ask other administrators about other states. --George Ho (talk) 06:17, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I was making sort of a snide, sarcastic remark. We definitely should not protect all 50 states!! We protect only when we absolutely have to, and when a pending changes protection period expires we shouldn't jump to renew it &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  15:29, 30 November 2015 (UTC)

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Hello from Neve-selbert
Hi, MusikAnimal. I was just wondering whether or not you could approve my request for AWB registration. I am having to make quite a few proofreading (redirects, punctuation, etc.) edits at the moment on quite a slow internet connection, and I would really like to use this helping hand as soon as possible. Thanks.  Neve -  selbert  · 11:00, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
 * All set &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  15:27, 1 December 2015 (UTC)

Their heart will go on
Hi, MusikAnimal. I present today a disruptive IP that fails to get the point of WP:V & WP:CITE, still after several notices on talk. Lapadite (talk) 11:06, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Blocked for a week &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  15:28, 1 December 2015 (UTC)

Talkback
 The StormCatcher   (talk)   (contribs)  23:41, 2 December 2015 (UTC)

Peer reviewer link broken
Peer reviewer's, this change broke the URL. — Dispenser 03:34, 3 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Thank you! And for your awesome tools! &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  04:35, 3 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Hi, MusikAnimal, it was I that reported the Peer-Reviewer language URL issue to Dispenser. Thank you for fixing it. I was able to use the tool, but I had to excise the language portion each time first.


 * Do you have any pull with the XTools! gadget bar? When I click on the Pageviews link which has a tool tip of Wiki ViewStats Tool it takes me here to a page that says "NO WEB SERVICE AVAILABLE" ... not currently serviced.


 * The -Page watchers link is blacked out.


 * The "See full page statistics" drop-down is all blank. The link goes here which states "no revisions found".


 * The (edit count) displayed is lower that what Preferences reports.


 * XTools came from here. Nice work with the tip-of-the-day botting! Cheers!  05:39, 3 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes Hedonil disappeared and parts of xtools slowly started breaking as none of us were able to figure out how it worked. The articleinfo tool has been offline for quite a while, and we should probably remove the tab from xtools interface, or change it to link to WikiHistory. The WikiViewStats tool has been offline for even longer. That being said repairing the gadget is probably a lost cause as it depends on these other services. Page views will soon be available via a new and far more accurate API provided by WMF . I suspect interesting gadgets and tools interacting with this new API will follow once it's deployed. Sorry I could not be of more help! &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  05:48, 3 December 2015 (UTC)

Multiple issues

 * Hey I've 2 issues to present to you today.. but I'm sure they can be quickly resolved. First off is that I cannot run AWB. I have extracted all of the contents I received upon download to a folder on the desktop called "AWB". When I try to run AWB, I instantly get a message stating AWB had already stopped working and that Windows was looking for a solution to the problem. Because my computer was taken away, it running Windows 10, I am currently using a Windows Vista laptop that really only works in safe mode. I have configured the registry, however, when in safe mode, all services will still turn on. So, my first issue is that I cannot use AWB. My second issue is that I'm having trouble turning on your Nightpedia script and would love some detailed instructions as to how to enable them. I tried putting the script in my /commons.js but nothing happened. Thank you for your attention! Please leave a talkback template on my talk page when you have replied.  The StormCatcher   (talk)   (contribs)  10:06, 3 December 2015 (UTC)


 * UPDATE: Please scratch the Nightpedia issue. I've gotten it to work.  The StormCatcher   (talk)   (contribs)  10:09, 3 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Hey, AWB should work on Vista. I would first read all the docs and check the FAQ at WT:AWB. If you are still having trouble you can seek assistance there, as unfortunately I'm not a Windows guy and don't know what to tell you =P Glad you got Nightpedia working. It's very much a work in progress, so any feedback you may have is welcomed. Right now it's best fit for reading articles, but I want to make it look nice for editing as well. Then hopefully I'll get it deployed as a gadget, which means it won't turn off and on between pages as it does now. Best &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  15:24, 3 December 2015 (UTC)

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Hello from CentreLeftRight
Hello MusikAnimal, you appear to be an admin who can ban IP addresses that have been constantly vandalizing pages. The following IP address has been purposely vandalizing and attacking Wikipedia user pages and articles "for the lolz": 79.220.28.225. Context can be found on its talk page. The user of that IP address has also done the same thing using a different address: User talk:79.220.23.98 Centre Left Right ✉ 19:33, 4 December 2015 (UTC)
 * The new IP has not edited in two days, and the older one in over 4 days, so blocking may not be the best move right now. I can however semi-protect your user page, if you would like. User talk pages are not normally protected, but I would note the usage of User:UBX/user talk vandalized on 's talk page might be perceived as an open invitation to vandals. If a new IP or one of the older ones continue to disrupt, let me know and we can reconsider a block or other preventive measure. Best &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  20:09, 4 December 2015 (UTC)
 * In hindsight, that now looks kind of stupid. But can you please semi-protect my User Page? Thanks, Ethan.  Ete ethan  ( talk  )  20:49, 4 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Done &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  20:53, 4 December 2015 (UTC)
 * !  Ete ethan  ( talk  )  21:05, 4 December 2015 (UTC)

AWB
While studying PERM/Nav, I noticed the AWB link that goes to the Requests for permissions/Other access page. Maybe it's me, but that made me think that I was supposed to have gotten the AWB user right before using AWB, which I've been using for some time now. So specifically, is this a formal user right that is granted, or is it a more informal "permissions" that does not require a granted user right? (Sorry for my confusion about this.) Be prosperous! <b style="font-size:85%;color:darkblue;font-family:Segoe Script">Paine</b> 23:16, 27 November 2015 (UTC)

Did you miss me? <b style="font-size:85%;color:darkblue;font-family:Segoe Script">Paine</b> 22:18, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Sorry for taking so long to get back to you! You are correct that there is some confusion with the PERM nav. Originally the link said "other access", matching the page name, and not "AWB". I eventually went in and changed the link to AutoWikiBrowser since that was the only thing that page entailed. So to answer your question, no, it is not a formal user right. AWB requires your username be listed on the CheckPage, which only admins can edit. So users request access much in the same way they do user rights, which is why we bundled it in with PERM.An unrelated side note... I see your signature contains invalid HTML, which can throw off syntax highlighters. You can change it to the following and it will appear the same as it does now, but will be valid:

&amp;nbsp; Paine &amp;nbsp; 22:18, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
 * I also worry the <small ></small> around the timestamp might confuse archiving bots, but I could be wrong. Hope this helps &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  04:02, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the info! You've confirmed what I thought was true about AWB, but wasn't certain.  And thank you very much for the sig tip!  No worries – I've taken care of it as you'll see. Happy holidays!  Paine   17:00, 2 December 2015 (UTC)
 * I just noticed something else, friend MusikAnimal: Your link above to the metawiki page, syntax highlighters has been moved to MediaWiki, so time to update.   Paine   02:46, 5 December 2015 (UTC)

New file version, incorrect setting
Hi Musikanimal,

I have overwritten File:EurovisionNim and a girl at 2015 Social.jpg, however the image continues to be at the same version. I use a Macbook Air and I use Google Chrome and I have done everything that is required, example is I have cleared out my cache and the image is still in the earlier version, which is completely wrong. Could you please find out, Also this image is for my userpage so I uploaded it locally. Kind Regards -- Eurovision Nim (talk to me)(see my edits) 03:27, 5 December 2015 (UTC)
 * It looks like the correct version to me. Did you try purging your userpage? This pertains to the server cache, as opposed to your browser's. &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  05:41, 5 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes, however when I place it on my editnotice page. When I press new section the notice comes up and then the same problem has occurred on Commons with my image and then when I wake up the next day it is in the condition I expected. Could you have a look further. I have already tried purging the userpage number of times but it is not working. -- Eurovision Nim  (talk to me)(see my edits) 09:32, 5 December 2015 (UTC)

30/500
Hi, Musical Critter. I noticed there are banners about the 30/500 restriction at Talk:Nair and Talk:Jat people, which state that "Edits made by accounts that do not meet these qualifications may be removed" and it doesn't count as edit warring bla bla. I was a little surprised. Isn't the restriction supposed to be done automatically by filter, so that non-qualified users can't edit the articles? Maybe I've missed some change. Bishonen &#124; talk 20:17, 5 December 2015 (UTC).
 * You always make me laugh! :) Yes, those banners evidently predated the filter. Users who do not meet 30/500 criteria should not be able to edit either of those articles. I keep forgetting about this... last I recall we were looking into asking WMF for a new level of protection altogether? Do you know if community consensus is needed if ArbCom is enforcing this? &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  21:49, 5 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Mmm... community consensus for a new level of protection altogether? I only remember vaguely what was said about that, because frankly it was vague to me — I didn't understand it very well. Wrt caste articles, why would we need more than the current AE decision? Alternatively, if this new level is meant to be something that can be applied to any article, by a single admin(?), then yes, I do think community consensus is needed. Such a big change wouldn't be arbcom's business. But perhaps I'm misunderstanding you. Anyway, here's a musical critter for you. :-)

CatcherStorm
I note that this user, in his rollback request which you declined, quoted me as endorsing his request. This is not wholly accurate; I told him to wait a full month from his last request, and then apply (should he so wish) when he had at least 200 mainspace edits on his record, excluding housekeeping edits, and when his vandalism training course was finished. I did not in any way guarantee his receipt of rollback rights, and his recent application is, of course, outside my recommendation. --<b style="color:red;">Anthony Bradbury</b><sup style="color:black;">"talk" 22:27, 5 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes that was my assessment as well when I reviewed your talk page, which I pointed out to them. Thank you for the further clarification! &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  22:36, 5 December 2015 (UTC)

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 * Revision scoring will help to automatically identify bad-faith and good-faith edits. The point is to make it easier to block vandals and welcome newcomers. It currently supports Wikidata and 14 Wikipedias.
 * Meta was not given access to information from Wikidata last week. This will happen later.

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 * You will be able to use wikilinks in Flow topic titles.
 * IP users will have a toolbar with links to the user talk page and user contributions. Some Wikipedias already have this feature.
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 * It will be easier to write math in the visual editor if you don't know LaTeX. You can use symbol buttons instead.
 * You will be able to use syntax highlighting when you write math with LaTeX in the visual editor.
 * UploadWizard will look a bit different.
 * Octicons-sync.svg The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 8 December. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 9 December. It will be on all Wikipedias from 10 December. (calendar).
 * New MediaWiki versions will now be on Catalan and Hebrew Wikipedia on Wednesdays. Other Wikipedias get the new MediaWiki version on Thursdays.

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Some robot oil for MusikBot!

 * Ha thank you! Or, MusikBot thanks you! It's been great fun and I look forward to expanding the bot's reach to assist the community in more ways. Also hope this has at least somewhat put Ruby on the map as a viable alternative to Python and PHP &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  15:54, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Don't my two bots get oil too? :-(—<sup style="color:green;font-family:Courier">cyber power <sub style="margin-left:-13.5ex;color:olive;font-family:Comic Sans MS"> Merry Christmas:Unknown 15:56, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
 * As someone who works at WP:RFPP, I appreciate Cyberbot I! Wish it didn't nag me to protect a subsequently deleted page, though :-) --<b style="color:navy">Neil N </b> <i style="color:blue">talk to me</i> 16:03, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes maintenance of Wikipedia would suffer greatly if it weren't for the Cyberbots! Happy to share some of my oil with you :) &mdash;  MusikAnimal  talk  18:46, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Cyberbot has guzzled it down proudly. :p—<sup style="color:green;font-family:Courier">cyber power <sub style="margin-left:-13.5ex;color:olive;font-family:Comic Sans MS"> Merry Christmas:Unknown 19:25, 7 December 2015 (UTC)

TAFI bot sign
Long time no see, MusikAnimal.

I just found your bot is sending TAFI without  on massmessage form. It doesn't trigger LCSB3/Cluebot 3 autoarchive, so I had to manually put timestamps on it. Please fix your code to produce timestamp in the end of the TAFI messages. Thanks! &mdash; regards, <span style="color:green;font-family:Courier new, serif;font-variant:small-caps">Revi 03:38, 8 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Yeah I realized that after the last run... :( It's fixed now, but I guess everyone will have to manually archive the three that have already been sent out. Whoopsies! Thanks for the note anyway. Hope you are well! &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  04:09, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

Westhollow is back
Hi, I saw you'd removed the repeatedly recreated Westhollow page I tagged for deletion earlier, and then protected it. Well, it's been brought back with a different name, figured I'd bring it to you since you're aware of the issue. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westhollow_District Thanks! JamesG5 (talk) 05:55, 8 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Deleted, and blocked all the obvious socks and the original account, which has been reintroducing the same copyrighted material for years. Thanks for the report &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  06:09, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

AbuseFilter parameters
Hey, any idea how we can see the settings for the extension on en-wiki? Struggling to figure out where/if they are located on wiki. Sam Walton (talk) 17:26, 6 December 2015 (UTC)
 * You can see which permissions are enabled for each user group at Special:ListGroupRights. I think there is a way to view the raw .php configurations, but not sure how. I do however know that any modifications will require WMF involvement &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  17:37, 6 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Ah, thanks. And what about the options in the configuration section? Sam Walton (talk) 18:04, 6 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Asked in #wikimedia-tech and they sent me here. Confused because I thought we were using Gerrit and not GitHub, but the last modification to that file was in September so I'm assuming it's up-to-date &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  18:22, 6 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Here we go, this is a webview of what is deployed: &mdash;  MusikAnimal  talk  18:24, 6 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Cheers! I've been thinking recently that there are some situations where having the block function could be very useful. In particular, filters designed for a particular LTA where the target is prone to making repeated attempts against the filter until they are successful, get blocked, shift to a new IP and start trying to navigate around the changes we made to stop the edits that got through. is a good example right now. Being able to block them on their first hit - requiring them to shift to a new IP before just their second edit attempt - could be a great deterrent. We'd have to make sure that any filter with a block action had zero false positives for a substantial amount of time or hits and some kind of community consensus for blocking, but I think there's some scope for this being useful. What do you think? Sam Walton (talk) 16:17, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
 * I agree wholeheartedly, there are other filters where I've wished I could have it block. But if modifications are made to such filters, the block function will have to be disabled temporarily. Did you see WP:EFN? I didn't author that filter, but the point is our most prolific of EFMs are still prone to making mistakes, with drastic repercussions. Before we add blocking to the equation I think we should drill everyone to be super super careful and always always check disallowing filters against recent edits using the batch testing before hitting save, and actively monitor the filter for at least an hour after modifying it, and continue to monitor it occasionally for some time thereafter. I've seen two major incidents occur in the past 5 months, the other where innocent unconfirmed users were accidently disallowed from participating in talk page discussions – very bad! There might be other similar mishaps we're unaware of. I don't think is a very good track record to convince the community to allow blocking functionality. With the disallowing filters the user can at least report the false positive &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  16:34, 7 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Good point, I agree entirely. To get the ball rolling on the block option I've started an Idea Lab thread to see what the community thinks about this. We should discuss the testing of disallow filters separately and definitely before any RfC about the block option, probably after the current RfC has finished. Sam Walton (talk) 11:42, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

Advice on the Introduction to tables tutorial
Hi,

I've found your contributions and opinions on help pages useful previously so if you have a moment would you mind taking a look at the Introduction to tables tutorial?

It's has been partially complete for a few years. I've had a go at updating it but it would be really useful to have a few other editors have a quick look over to see what content and detail level the community think needs to be included. The centralised talk page for discussion is here.

Any suggestions or advice on content and depth would be helpful. T.Shafee(Evo&#65120;Evo)talk 12:25, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

BMK
Can you please ban this user from the site, he keeps trying to frame me, and he keeps sticking his nose in my business and keeps stoking me. HomerSimpson543 (talk) 04:56, 8 December 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm afraid that's not how it works, and I choose not to get involved in this matter or comment on his allegations. For now go about your business, and if there's a dispute of sorts please try to resolve it civilly as you would with any editor, and refrain from edit warring. I strongly recommend working directly with BMK on this as needed, but if you feel admin intervention is needed you can post at WP:ANI &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  05:11, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

Ok, I understand. I'm sorry for bothering you about this, I just need a break from him. HomerSimpson543 (talk) 12:57, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

Edit warring charge
You posted to my talk page User talk:Jvpwiki ''If you find yourself in an editing dispute, use the article's talk page to discuss controversial changes; work towards a version that represents consensus among editors. You can post a request for help at an appropriate noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases it may be appropriate to request temporary page protection. If you engage in an edit war, you may be blocked from editing.'' — MusikAnimal talk 18:04, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

This is turned around. I added some cited and significant material to the David Lisak article. Someone deleted that additional material based on reasons that keep changing. I made some edits in response to his/her concerns, discussed them on the article's talk page, and then restored the original text. I have achieved consensus with two other editors (see David Lisak article's talk page), including using 3O to attempt to reach a settlement. The deleting editor then trivialized 3O. I will proceed to the next arbitration resource. In the meantime I am doing my best to avoid an edit war, but I believe the article should not be censored in the meantime. I asked the deleting editor to stop reverting until we can get more opinions. JCvP 01:57, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

Hello from Zppix Comment
Can i have rollback rights I reverted several vandals edits thank you Ⓩⓟⓟⓘⓧ (talk) 20:11, 10 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Sorry it took so long to get back to you. I looked over your contribs and I must say you're doing an excellent job, so I went to grant you rollback and saw Katie beat me to it! Thanks for your counter-vandalism efforts. Just be careful with powerful tools like Huggle and don't go too fast :) Best &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  05:07, 11 December 2015 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * Many thanks Zppix! I really appreciate it. And again thank you for your efforts as well :) &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  05:08, 11 December 2015 (UTC)

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Re: TW Issues
Hi there!

Not wanting to seem like I'm chasing you up or anything, but I still can't seem to get Twinkle working and unfortunately since my request for rollback was denied, I'm currently not able to use really any other anti vandalism program. What could be the issue with Twinkle? Thank you for your help! --Giooo95 (talk) 06:08, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
 * I saw your reply at WP:PERM/R. I truly have no idea what it could be. You're using a modern browser, no conflicting user scripts, and we don't believe there to be any conflicting gadgets. Your WP:JSERROR report mentioned nothing out of the ordinary. Some things you can do to troubleshoot:
 * Try on a different computer
 * Try on an alternate account. If you don't have one, create one and let me know so I can assign the confirmed user right and you can try out Twinkle. Alternate accounts must be declared, so just FYI you should put a user alternative account userbox or something similar on the userpages.
 * Try including the gadget in your JS directly by putting importScript('User:AzaToth/twinkle.js') in your Special:MyPage/common.js
 * In the meantime, you can still manually revert a series of edits just as rollback would, see Help:Reverting. The manual reverting feature is something I still do regularly, for instance if multiple editors have vandalism. In that case rollback would not suffice. Popups also has includes a feature to restore a specific revision to a page. Hope this helps &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  06:25, 14 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Here we are, I've created this account and placed that UB on my page. --Giooooo95 (talk) 06:34, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Done. Give Twinkle a whirl and see if it works &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  06:37, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Yep it's working. But what could be the issue on my primary account? The whole thing when I try to edit the common.js file, it shows the link to my TW Preferences twice. --Giooooo95 (talk) 06:39, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
 * If you added that code to your common.js it will load Twinkle directly, in addition to the gadget. The fact that you're seeing the preferences dialog twice means the gadget is in fact loading. You can probably remove that from your common.js now as we've proven the gadget loads by itself. Are you using your alternate account in the same browser as your primary? &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  06:44, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes I'm using Chrome with the same version I noted, and I reverted the common.js file on my primary to the default, and still shows the two TW Pref links. --Giooooo95 (talk) 06:46, 14 December 2015 (UTC)

Try clearing the cache in your browser. You should not in any way be seeing two Twinkle preference dialogs at once. Even if you did, that shouldn't prohibit your ability to use Twinkle. Going to sign off here soon, but might be able to help you more tomorrow. Sorry! &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  06:49, 14 December 2015 (UTC)

Nope, still nothing at all. The TW menu just showed up on your talk page, but clicking on the Warn link to see if the links would work produced nothing. Is it something with my account, or maybe my account got flagged by Twinkle, not sure if TW is hosted on a server and maybe my account is sometimes blocked, just thinking out of the box. --Giooo95 (talk) 06:57, 14 December 2015 (UTC)

Weird, now I just seen two copies of the TW actions, as seen here. Sometimes the initial menu doesn't even load. Sometimes it shows on the Main Page and sometimes it doesn't, same with my talk page. --Giooo95 (talk) 07:04, 14 December 2015 (UTC)

Tech News: 2015-51
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 * Meta will be able to use information from Wikidata.
 * Octicons-sync.svg The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 15 December. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 16 December. It will be on all Wikipedias from 17 December. (calendar).

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 * Octicons-tools.svg A new gadget manager will come next year. The new gadget system is called Gadgets 2.0.

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Hello from Aleuuhhmsc
Can you explain the difference between the .js and .css for me? I know .js is JavaScript, but so that I can only edit the page, what would be your preference? Thanks for the help! Aleuuhhmsc (talk) 19:16, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
 * The .css is for Cascading Style Sheets. Using the .js or .css trick should probably not be used for drafting articles, or anything really other than JS and CSS code. You have little to worry about when it comes to others messing with pages in your userspace, but if you want them semi'd we can do that for you &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  19:30, 14 December 2015 (UTC)

An idea
Hi MusikAnimal: Since you like working on scripts, I have an idea regarding the relisting of AfD discussions. I presently use User:Mr.Z-man/closeAFD to relist AfD discussions, which requires several steps: opening a separate AfD discussion from an AfD log page, using a pull-down menu in the "More" tab, scrolling down to the relist entry, and then performing the action. I was thinking that a script that includes a relist checkbox on AfD log pages for each discussion would really expedite the process, which could be used by people that have it loaded on their vector.js page. In this manner, one could tick discussions for relisting and then press a "magic" relist button somewhere on the page to perform the multiple relistings. This would save a bunch of time for relisters. North America1000 07:07, 16 December 2015 (UTC)

In answer
Very, very fine grooves. 78.26  (spin me / revolutions) 04:39, 17 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Haha well I'll be! Definitely going to take a steady hand to dial to a specific song :) Very interesting nonetheless. If only Sony PSLX350H went that fast... &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  04:51, 17 December 2015 (UTC)

Response Helper
Hi, when I went to install on my commons.js, I got the following notice:

Image --Giooo95 (talk) 17:20, 17 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Ignore it, you can just hit save &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  17:23, 17 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Note however this user script is for admins, not sure what use it would be to you &mdash; MusikAnimal  talk  17:25, 17 December 2015 (UTC)