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Please comment on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Military history
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 * Done. --Noleander (talk) 13:45, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

Mind the Gap Award

 * Thank you very much! I started with Margaret Sanger, and that was so interesting, I moved on to Birth control movement in the United States.  There is a lot more work to be done in that topic area, and I hope to get back to it soon. --Noleander (talk) 13:45, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

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Pi
Hey, I wanted to let you know that I think you're doing a great job at pi. Let me know if there's anything I can do to help out. Sławomir Biały (talk) 22:11, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the offer. I have a bunch of sources and material I'm going through now.  It will probably take another 4 to 8 weeks.  After that, I'll need your help reviewing the article to make sure it meets all the WP:FA criteria, especially the prose quality. I'll contact you then.  Of course, I do not own the article so you are free to jump in at any time and work some magic :-)  --Noleander (talk) 22:13, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

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 * Done. --Noleander (talk) 15:11, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

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re peer review of Smith Act trials of Communist Party leaders
Wehwalt is among the best editors on wikipedia, especially on political topics. He hit the nail on the head regarding all my objections in the article that I didn't have the expertise and the ability to provide the persuasive wording that he did. (He's also a lawyer.) I admire your persistence in correcting this article's balance, even though it now apparently is a little at odds with your original take on the situation. It will get the gold star, I'm sure. Regards, MathewTownsend (talk) 14:00, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, I am astounded at the amount of work he/she has invested in the article: very selfless.  A good role model.   The article is gradually getting better, it will get there soon!  --Noleander (talk) 14:17, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

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 * Done. --Noleander (talk) 14:42, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

WikiCup/History/2012/Submissions/Noleander
Hello. I'm afraid I have removed Talk:Irish presidential election, 2011/GA2- while I completely agree with your very sensible closure, such a thing is not really eligible for points, per the WikiCup rules. If you have any question, please contact me on my talk page. Thanks, J Milburn (talk) 13:57, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
 * No problem ... I'm new to Wikicup and not really sure of all the rules. Cheers. --Noleander (talk) 14:18, 30 March 2012 (UTC)

Birth control in the United States article?
I may have asked this before but given the work that you have done on the Birth control movement in the United States article how about doing a Birth control in the United States article? -- Alan Liefting (talk - contribs) 04:03, 31 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, WP does need an article on that broader topic. I've got all the sources here; and it is on my list of things To Do. I just need more time :-)  --Noleander (talk) 14:22, 31 March 2012 (UTC)


 * Hi Noleander. We discussed a possible Family planning in the United States article over at Talk:Birth control movement in the United States.  I have started a very rough outline of such an article in my user space User:Zodon/Family planning in the United States.  (In user space so I can have outline, etc. of things that are not filled in.)  My intention is to move or copy it into article space once there is enough that would stand alone.  If you have suggestions, or want to make additions to the draft you are welcome to do so.  (Not sure how much time I can devote to it, so it may take a while to develop.)
 * Also, when you have a chance could you take a look at the items I mentioned in Talk:Birth control movement in the United States? I would boldly fix them, except I am not sure what the fix should be in some cases.  Thanks.  Zodon (talk) 02:02, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

WikiCup 2012 March newsletter
We are over half way through the second round of this year's WikiCup and things are going well! , of Pool B, is our highest overall scorer thanks to his prolific writings on television and film. In second place is Pool H's, thanks primarily to work on biological articles, especially in marine biology and herpetology. Third place goes to Pool E's, who also writes primarily on biology (including ornithology and botany) and has already submitted two featured articles this round. Of the 63 contestants remaining, 15 (just under a quarter) have over 100 points this round. However, 25 are yet to score. Please remember to update your submission pages promptly. 32 contestants, the top two from each pool and the 16 next-highest scorers, will advance to round 3.

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cancelled PR review
Probably good that you had to cancel it. Don't you think you might need a rest and some distance? You've been going strong for such a long time now! Please rest. Best wishes, MathewTownsend (talk) 00:15, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
 * The PR was cancelled only because user Brianboulton pointed out that there is a rule that 14 days must elapse between PRs. The article is in great shape now, but I'd like one or two additional editors to review it and provide objective feedback.  That is what PRs are for:  to get fresh input from uninvolved editors.  In fact,  two editors have volunteered to provide additional input on this article: Brianboulton and user Coemgenus.  They can provide input directly there in the Talk page, without going through the PR process.  I'm sure that once they have reviewed it, and their concerns have been addressed, the article will be ready for FAC.    --Noleander (talk) 00:23, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I know the PR was closed by the arbitrary time limit. Just offering time for you. I've been following the aritle (as you know) from the my first GA review of it, and praise you nightly for your work!! MathewTownsend (talk) 01:08, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

Need source for pi
—Kri (talk) 14:03, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

—Kri (talk) 15:32, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

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Chrisye
Hi Noleander, I've replied to your comments at Featured article candidates/Chrisye/archive1. Thanks for the review! (BTW, I added the personality rights template to both free images of persons just to be safe) Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:23, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:23, 7 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Done; replied. --Noleander (talk) 12:23, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I've replied with the Kompas sources from 1985 up (able to be translated through G-translate, as AGF can only go so far at FAC [methinks, at least]), which allows random spotchecking. If you have anything from the Endah source you want to look at, give me the page number(s) and I'll provide you with both a transcription and translation. Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:57, 9 April 2012 (UTC)
 * No, Google does weird things with names. When I wrote 1740 Batavia massacre I had to use it to read the Dutch sources (didn't want to depend to much on people who could actually speak the language) and it translated names of locations as completely unrelated terms (I think I got Scotland out of one of them)... Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:27, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

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Chrisye translations

 * FN 16 (96-97; you had written 15, but it has different pages):
 * We returned to Indonesia at the end of 1973. ... Keenan and Gauri began looking for ways to express themselves. ... I saw them often meeting with Guruh Soekarno Putra, the son of the late Sukarno, who was in the same class as Gauri. I was interested, although at the time I was not too close to Guruh.(p96) ... I tried to write songs. Parts with hard consonants I changed, replacing the hard sounds with softer ones. For example, the word "ibu" I replaced with "mama". The word "cinta" I replaced with "asmara"(p97)


 * FN 29 (140-142)
 * "Chris, how about if we work together. Who knows, maybe we'll do well" ... Amin had had his eye on me since Guruh Gipsy and Jurang Pemisah. However, he only decided to meet with me after Badai Pasti Berlalu success. ... The ball was in my court "Okay sir, but I don't want to be controlled" I said a bit impudently.(p140) ... Amin, although he made a show of taking a deep breath, agreed.(p141)


 * FN 49 (246)
 * Guruh also asked me to practice choreography. "For what?" I protested. Aciu answered rapidly "Ya, how do you want to sell this song, if you stand stiffly. It's a dance song." At home I was nervous thinking about it. Yanti laughed at first, but finally she said something that made me calmer. "That's the art of star performance" [note: this quote is in the original]. ... She promised to make me costumes. ... One of Guruh's friends, Alex Hasyim (the son of the artist Rina Hasyim) agreed to coach me.


 * FN 64 (304)
 * The album with the title AkustiChrisye was released in 1996... [...] As soon as it was put to market, it sold well!"
 * Crisco 1492 (talk) 11:41, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

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 * Done. --Noleander (talk) 14:27, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

A Beer for You

 * It was a pleasure to review the article. I've never been to Indonesia, but I'd like to make it there someday. --Noleander (talk) 00:45, 12 April 2012 (UTC)
 * It's certainly an interesting place, if you can handle the heat. With so many cultures (including its own pop culture, with several artists like Anggun and Agnes Monica having gone international) one could stay for 20 years and not experience everything. If you make it to Yogyakarta I'll be glad to show you around... both Borobudur and Prambanan are nearby. Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:39, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

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Maya Angelou PR
Hey Noleander, thanks so much for the PR. I have stuff to do this weekend! ;) I really appreciate it, 'cause after I deal with your feedback, I can submit it to FAC, and can check off another major WP goal. Yah! Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 16:37, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

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Please comment on Talk:Taipei
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 * Done. --Noleander (talk) 19:14, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

pi
Hi, I have seen your request for help with a possible FA nomination of the pi article. From a quick glance the article looks pretty good. I have some experience with math FA articles; if you want I could do an informal FA-review before you do the actual nomination. But of course I could also just review it when you nominate it. Let me know what you prefer, Jakob.scholbach (talk) 10:23, 15 April 2012 (UTC)
 * That would be great!  Would you mind doing a review now, before I nominate it at FAC?  Just add your comments at the bottom of Peer review/Pi/archive2.  Thanks! --Noleander (talk) 13:34, 15 April 2012 (UTC)
 * OK, I will have a look til the end of the week. Jakob.scholbach (talk) 08:12, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

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 * Done. (vast majority already chimed in with good input). --Noleander (talk) 12:23, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

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 * Done. --Noleander (talk) 18:45, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

Pi and Tau
I am aware it is a contentious fringe topic (or as contentious and fringy as a mathematical topic can get). I tried to trim the content as much as possible, and I actually left in the third sentence about the musical by accident. You still think 2 sentences is WP:UNDUE? - Running On Brains (talk) 03:40, 22 April 2012 (UTC)
 * No, 1 or 2 sentences is fine.  I was just surprised to see a whole paragraph added with no prior discussion on the pi Talk page.   I suggest that there be a discussion on the pi Talk page, and see what the best 1 or 2 sentences are, based on the sources. --Noleander (talk) 12:52, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

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 * Done. --Noleander (talk) 12:15, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

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Possible navbox placement proposal
Say, I'm working on a possible proposal for Layout and would appreciate your thoughts. If you are willing to take a look, please go to User:Butwhatdoiknow/Sandbox. Butwhatdoiknow (talk) 01:46, 25 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Thank you so much for taking the time to review and comment. Since it appears the idea is not a complete non-starter, do you have any suggestions for improving the proposal text? Butwhatdoiknow (talk) 12:03, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I think the text of the proposal is fine: fairly concise & to the point. The real issue is whether the community will want to have two different layouts at the bottom (when there is the alternative of using sidebar Navboxes).   Maybe you could ask for input at WP:LAYOUT or WP:MOS  Talk pages and wee what other editors think. --Noleander (talk) 12:13, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I appreciate the quick turnaround. Butwhatdoiknow (talk) 15:00, 25 April 2012 (UTC)

Based on a suggestion from another reviewer I'm looking at going in another direction. I hope I am not going too often to the well by asking you look at and comment on that idea. Butwhatdoiknow (talk) 03:02, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

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Proposed deletion of Antigentilism


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 * Done. --Noleander (talk) 16:56, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

New Rational Skepticism WikiProject member asking for look at Theosophy entry
Since you are an active participant in the Rational Skepticism WikiProject, would you mind looking over the Wikipedia entry on Theosophy to see if you find any concerns?

I've been ordered to fix the page so that it accords with my understanding of the NPOV policy. I'm happy to do that but I have a lot of work at my job.

Now I've been told that I must make the changes by April 30th or the NPOV tag will be removed. I simply can't learn how to use Wikipedia as a newcomer, become familiar with all the sources, and make the edits if I must do it all by April 30th.

Would you look over the Theosophy page? Also, can you recommend anything? Thanks much,Factseducado (talk) 15:05, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Done. --Noleander (talk) 19:13, 27 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks.Factseducado (talk) 19:45, 27 April 2012 (UTC)

What next on the wording for tau?
Noleander, it's been about 5 days, and discussion about the wording of the entry on tau seems to have died out. What happens next? I'm not familiar with Wikipedia protocol. Should I put my last proposed wording up for a vote? --Joseph Lindenberg (talk) 18:51, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
 * You should find the last proposal that had 3 or more "I can live with that" comments and appears to be a middle ground, then put a notice on the pi Talk page saying "I propose to put this into the article because several people had consensus on it; any objections?" --Noleander (talk) 18:56, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Where are you going to want to put the passage on tau within the "In popular culture" section? At the very end?  Do we need to work in any transition wording? --Joseph Lindenberg (talk) 23:06, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
 * It needs to be next to the existing pi day sentence(s).  Transition wording is always very difficult in "grab bag" sections like that, so having the pi-day and tau-day connection will help.  However, if the final text does not mention "tau day", then anywhere in that section is fine. --Noleander (talk) 23:37, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
 * There's only one sentence about Pi Day, and it's buried inside a paragraph. Unless you plan on reordering or breaking up that paragraph, I don't see that a connection can be made.  Our mention of Tau Day will be at the end of our blurb.  But even if you moved the Pi Day sentence to the beginning of the paragraph and then put our blurb ahead of it, it would seem strange to mention Tau Day before mentioning Pi Day.  Let me know if you think of something, but it looks like it would be best to just put the tau blurb at the very end. --Joseph Lindenberg (talk) 00:03, 28 April 2012 (UTC)
 * As I said, connections are hard to come by, so they need to be next to each other one way or another. I can word-smith it after it is inserted. --Noleander (talk) 00:08, 28 April 2012 (UTC)

thanks for your comments
just a short thank you for your comments on the Kirkcaldy article. it has helped me a great deal. Kilnburn (talk) 10:44, 28 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Glad I could help. It seems like a nice place: maybe I'll be able to visit sometime!  --Noleander (talk) 13:05, 28 April 2012 (UTC)

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WikiCup 2012 April newsletter
Round 2 of this year's WikiCup is over, and so we are down to our final 32, in what could be called our quarter-finals. The two highest scorers from each pool, as well as the next 16 highest scorers overall, have entered round 3, while 30 participants have been eliminated. Pool B's remains our top scorer with over 700 points; he continues to gain high numbers of points for his good articles on The X-Files, but also Millennium and other subjects. He has also gained points for a good topic, a featured list, multiple good article reviews and several did you knows. Pool E's was second, thanks primarily to his biology articles, with Pool H's  coming in third, with an impressive 46 did you knows, mostly on the subject of baseball. Casliber and Cwmhiraeth both scored over 600 points. Pools E and H proved our most successful, with each seeing 5 members qualify for round 3, while Pools C and D were the least, with each seeing only 3 reach round 3. However, it was Pool G which saw the lowest scoring, with a little under 400 points combined; Pool H, the highest scoring group, saw over triple that score.

65 points was the lowest qualifying score for round 3; significantly higher than the 11 required to enter round 2, and also higher than the 41 required to reach round 3 last year. However, in 2010, 100 points were needed to secure a place in round 3. 16 will progress to round 4. In round 3, 150 points was the 16th highest score, though, statistically, people tend to up their game a little in later rounds. Last year, 76 points secured a place, while in 2010, a massive 250 points were needed. Guessing how many points will be required is not easy. We still have not seen any featured portals or topics this year, but, on the subject of less common content types, a small correction needs to be made to the previous newsletter: File:Wacht am Rhein map (Opaque).svg, our first featured picture, was the work of both and, the latter of whom has also gone on to score with File:Map of the Battle of Guam, 1944.svg. Bonus points also continue to roll in; this round, earned triple points for her good articles on William the Conqueror and the Middle Ages, Casliber and Cwmhiraeth both earned triple points for their work on Western Jackdaw, now a good article,  earned triple points for her work on lettuce and work by  to ready antimony for good article status earned him triple points. managed to expand Vitus Bering far enough for a did you know, which was also worth triple points. All of these highly important topics featured on 50 or more Wikipedias at the start of the year.

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Nomination of Antigentilism for deletion
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Please comment on Talk:Sri Lanka
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Can I ask you to go to the Theosophy talk page because there is a request for comment?
Dear Noleander,

Another user has made a request for comment on the Theosophy page and its talk page. I'm not sure how Wikipedia:Feedback request service works. I want to follow the rules especially about not canvassing.

Before you had written that users can go to the "Wikipedia:Feedback request service and ask some uninvolved editors (from the religion/philosophy section) to come here and comment. I'll be happy to provide comment once an RfC is created. --Noleander (talk) 19:09, 27 April 2012 (UTC)"

Since you are not listed under Religion and philosophy at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Feedback_request_service#Religion_and_philosophy can I still ask you to comment?

I don't understand canvassing completely. Can I ask people at Wikipedia:Feedback request service under Religion and philosophy to comment as long as I've never interacted with that user? Am I not allowed to ask anyone to comment?

I interacted with DreamGuy on his user page because he's part of the WikiProject Rational Skepticism and he is listed under Religion and philosophy at Wikipedia:Feedback request service. Since I interacted with him on the NPOV issue does this mean I cannot ask him to comment because it is canvassing?

IRWolfie because he's part of the WikiProject Rational Skepticism and is listed under Religion and philosophy at Wikipedia:Feedback request service. He or she had written on the Theosophy talk page some time ago and I asked him for input the same as I did you. His talk page says he's really busy.

JRheic is listed under Religion and philosophy at Wikipedia:Feedback request service. I asked him for input before the same as you because he's part of the WikiProject Rational Skepticism. Does this mean I cannot ask him to comment because it is canvassing?

Sgerbic is not part of any category of Wikipedia:Feedback request service but is part of WikiProject Rational Skepticism. I asked her or him for input before the same as you. Can I ask her or him to comment or is this canvassing?

Thanks for helping me in my confusion.

Factseducado (talk) 20:15, 2 May 2012 (UTC)
 * The rules on canvassing are covered at Canvassing. The bottom line is:  there is no problem with asking editors for input, provided that you are not deliberately choosing editors that are "on your side".  So, notifying five or 10 editors from the Feedback request service is fine.  Also, you can notify persons that participated in prior RfCs, or in the Talk page, provided that you notify everyone equally, and dont "cherry pick" to select just editors that will reinforce your opinion. --Noleander (talk) 21:19, 2 May 2012 (UTC)


 * That seems doable. I'll pick five or ten total between the philosophy feedback members and the religion feedback members who I don't think I've interacted with. I'll write, "An editor of the Theosophy article and its Talk page created a Request for Comment involving both the article and its Talk page. Now I'm asking five to ten uninvolved editors from the religion/philosophy section of Wikipedia:Feedback request service to comment on the Theosophy Talk page."


 * Thanks again, Factseducado (talk) 22:56, 2 May 2012 (UTC)

Pi
Please note my comment at PI Graph. If you disagree, we should discuss it, but probably not there.-- SPhilbrick (Talk)  22:05, 2 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Commented there. --Noleander (talk) 00:51, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

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Requesting input on next steps after no response to RFC on Theosophy
Dear Noleander,

As per your input on May 2nd I did ask ten uninvolved editors from the religion/philosophy section of Wikipedia:Feedback request service to comment on the Theosophy Talk page as a response to the Request for Comment another editor had made. This is what I wrote, "Hello, An editor of the Theosophy article and its Talk page created a Request for Comment involving both the article and its Talk page. Now I'm asking five to ten uninvolved editors from the religion/philosophy section of Wikipedia:Feedback request service to comment on the Theosophy Talk page. If you are able and willing to comment that would be appreciated."

It will soon have been 72 hours since the RFC was placed. No new person has commented which cannot be interpreted to mean anything. How long is it appropriate to wait for a response for a RFC?

I am now unsure how I am allowed to proceed. The editor who requested the comment is expressing dissatisfaction with the views of other editors. This has been going on for some time. I do think outside input could possibly be helpful because festering problems sometimes get bigger.

It seems advisable to me that the article and Talk page editors follow the first step outlined at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:RFC which is to "discuss the matter on the talk page first." The discussion may not resolve issues since the dissatisfied editor is not well-disposed to the views of the other editors.

If the discussion does not resolve issues my ideas are to do the following:

1. First enlist all current editors to craft a "brief, neutral statement of the issue" that is "a simple actionable question" for outside comment on as is described at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment#Request_comment_through_talk_pages.

Then either do 2. or 3.

2. Follow the next step outlined at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:RFC which would be to "ask for help at the relevant WikiProject." In my opinion the relevant WikiProjects are the ones that link to the Talk page. They are the WikiProjects Occult, Religion, Philosophy, and Rational Skepticism.

3. Use the "alternative to request comment through talk pages... through Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Request board. Follow the directions on that page, and your request will be transferred to an appropriate location," which is mentioned at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment#Suggestions_for_responding

I have identified an alternative to steps 1., 2., and 3. which would be to request mediation through Mediation Cabal at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:MEDCAB.

My questions are: "How long should the editors at Theosophy and its Talk page wait for a response to the RFC?" and "Which next course of action is advisable in your view?"

Can you recommend anything?

Thanks much,

Factseducado (talk) 15:08, 5 May 2012 (UTC) Factseducado (talk) 15:10, 5 May 2012 (UTC)
 * RfCs nominally last 30 days. Some RfCs dont get much comment.  2 or 3 days is not very long: some editors dont check their WP accounts often.  Many editors listed in the Feedback Request Service are no longer active, so if you ask 10 for input, you may only get 2 or 3 replying.   Yes, by all means post a note on 2 or 3 project's Talk pages, e.g. the Religion project, etc,  If you are lucky, you may get 5 to 7 editors replying at the RfC.   With luck, those handful of editors will agree on a course of action.  If not, there is not much else you can do.  Mediation is an option, but I've never seen mediation work well. --Noleander (talk) 18:00, 5 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Thank you for explaining how long RfCs nominally last. I understand now.


 * I will "post a note on 2 or 3 project's Talk pages, e.g. the Religion project, etc," as you suggested. I will look up if there is an official way to post a note on WikiProject talk pages requesting comments. I think this might be called a template. This is still very new to me.


 * This is the note I will post unless you advise changing it. "Hello, An editor of the Theosophy article and its Talk page created a Request for Comment involving both the article and its Talk page. I'm asking for comments from your WikiProject members to be posted on the Theosophy Talk page. If you are able and willing to comment that would be appreciated."


 * Thank you again for explaining these things to me.


 * Sincerely, Factseducado (talk) 18:09, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

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Peer review
Hi Noleander, I just put Lynching of Jesse Washington up for peer review and thought I'd check to see if you're interested in reviewing it. I ask because W. E. B. Du Bois played a large role in the aftermath of the lynching, and I see that you've done a lot of work on his article. No problem if you're busy though. Thanks, Mark Arsten (talk) 04:40, 12 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Sure, I'd be happy to do a PR. I'm a bit busy today... but I can get to it within a couple of days. --Noleander (talk) 13:03, 14 May 2012 (UTC)
 * As it turned out, I got a couple quick reviews and decided to go to FA real quickly. You're welcome to comment there of course. BTW, good for you for working on such a vital article as Pi. Mark Arsten (talk) 03:42, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Okay. I'm doing a FA review of your article now. --Noleander (talk) 03:52, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Great, thanks for all the comments. Do you mind if I reply to some beneath individual the bullet points? Mark Arsten (talk) 04:28, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
 * No problem. --Noleander (talk) 04:36, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Ok, will do. I'm done for the night, but hopefully will finish your comments tomorrow. Those are some good comments, really made me think hard a few times. Mark Arsten (talk) 04:41, 15 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Ok, I took another pass through the article, hopefully my most recent copyedits were improvements. Mark Arsten (talk) 03:09, 16 May 2012 (UTC)
 * It is looking pretty good. I'll let  a few days go by, then take another look.  FACs run about 2 months, so there is no rush. --Noleander (talk) 03:20, 16 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Ok, not a bad idea. Hopefully I'll get around to reading through Pi as well. Mark Arsten (talk) 03:49, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

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Fair use rationale for photo of sculpture
Note to self: photo File:Calder at NGA.jpg is a good example. --Noleander (talk) 13:19, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

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Barnstar

 * That means a lot coming from a veteran like you. Thanks!  --Noleander (talk) 13:44, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
 * There seems to be something of a tradition of not giving out barnstars to FAC reviewers ... but I think it's a bad tradition, and I've been really impressed with your good taste. Let me know if I can help with anything. - Dank (push to talk) 14:05, 22 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Hey, thanks for your help on Jesse Washington, I guess I rolled over too easy there with the analysis. Mark Arsten (talk) 16:45, 23 May 2012 (UTC)
 * You're welcome. I think the editor that suggested removing the interpretation/analysis material was new to WP and not familiar with the standards for inclusion.  I sympathize with your actions:  There were two times I made changes (which I was 100% certain were not ideal) in response to comments on an article I was nominating for FAC; but the FAC was close to getting approved and I didn't want to get into a debate.  Articles can always be improved after the FAC is over.  Cheers. --Noleander (talk) 16:51, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

FAC
Hi Noleander! Thanks for your review of the article I've been working at, now at FAC. I think I've resolved all the issues you raised there. Best regards, Lord Roem (talk) 00:13, 23 May 2012 (UTC)
 * No problem. I changed my comments to "Support" after your improvements. --Noleander (talk) 16:58, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

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Otis Redding peer review
hello,

I opened a peer review for Otis Redding. I would like you to review it and help reach the FA-status. I scheduled the article on September 9, and it would be a shame if it won't appear on the main page. Thanks.-- GoP T C N 07:43, 27 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Okay, I've started the PR there. --Noleander (talk) 12:30, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

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Re: Your recent edit of the "Pi" article
Hi Noleander,

Please refer to my recent edit of the Pi article, followed by your complete `undo' of that edit, both occurring on 2012-May-29.

On your reversion, you wrote, "Revert good faith edit: 10^12 is defining trillion; that record was set in 2011."

I'm not sure what "good faith" refers to.

No, the record for 1 trillion (10^12) decimal digits of Pi was set in 2002 by Yasumasa Kanada. ( http://www.super-computing.org/pi_current.html )

The latest record is exactly 10 trillion digits (plus 50 or so, for good measure). Set by Alexander Yee in 2011 (already referenced by footnote 88. This is his "5 trillion digits" record; there is a link on this page leading to the 10 trillion record).

Conclusion:

That excerpt from the Pi article is incorrect as it stands. To make it *consistent*, either the number-of-digits needs to be changed to "10 trillion, 10^13", OR the year-of-the-record needs to be changed to "2002".

I believe the meaning of the sentence is to give the *latest* of what has been achieved ("In the 20th century, a steady stream of records were produced, leading to ______ digits."). Which would make the latest record, "10 trillion decimal digits in 2011", the numbers to put in there.

Tell me what you think.

Extropian314 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Extropian314 (talk • contribs) 06:22, 30 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Your recent change is fine. --Noleander (talk) 20:30, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

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Vassula Ryden Article: Inclusion of CDF Dialogue
Hello Noleander,

I have just been made aware of a dispute resolution post regarding the Vassula Ryden article in which you responded on 06:16, 3 June 2012 (UTC). I was only made aware of it after I posted a query with proposed text and references in the WP:RSN, since I was not in the "Users involved" list in that particular dispute. My text differs somewhat from what Sasanack is trying to get across, but brings forward the same basic point.

You suggested that "editors that want to include this material find other, additional sources that cover that letter and other related issues. The thing that is missing from the source is a discussion or analysis of the letter by a commentator or analyst."

I have included a source from an analyst, named Hvidt (again see my post for details) who was a primary witness to the 2000-2004 dialogue which concluded in an interview with Joseph Ratzinger (now pope Benedict), in which Ryden and Hvidt were present.

I posted in the RSN with the objective of getting some totally independent viewpoint of my text and sources which in this case would have to exclude anyone who has been involved in the prior Ryden dispute. Unfortunately both IRWolfie and Dominus Vobisdu stepped in, even though I made it clear that I was not interested in their opinions since they had already been involved in that discussion. I would VERY much appreciate your feedback on my post, as I feel you are in a position to be more objective, much unlike the other users (including myself for that matter) who have been involved in the disputes. Thanks. Arkatakor (talk) 21:33, 3 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Okay, I'll comment at the DRN or RSN. --Noleander (talk) 22:09, 3 June 2012 (UTC)

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A barnstar for you!

 * You are welcome. And thanks again to you for working on that difficult article. --Noleander (talk) 16:42, 4 June 2012 (UTC)