User talk:PamD/Archive 9

Category rename
Please see my proposal to rename Category:Slovakian reality television series to Category:Slovak reality television series Hugo999 (talk) 11:11, 3 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks for letting me know - no problem, I obviously got it wrong and should have checked the subdivisions of Category:Television series by country to get the terminology. Thanks for fixing it. Not my area of expertise (or even interest!): I must have had a burst of enthusiasm after stub-sorting Czechia-Slovakia's Got Talent and felt the urge to create categories for it. Pam  D  12:55, 3 November 2014 (UTC)

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Stub
Woops, sorry about that. I must have missed the stub tag. Thanks  Countered &#124; talk  18:12, 10 November 2014 (UTC)

Temasek
Thanks a lot for the tip Pam, cheers! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lucasmatti (talk • contribs)

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Naayak
Would you like to conduct a GA Review on this article? Please let me know if you are interested. Pavanjandhyala (talk) 14:47, 12 February 2015 (UTC)
 * No thanks, I've got no experience of doing GA reviews and I'm not really interested in Indian films - I just get involved in occasional articles when I fall over them. Pam  D  15:22, 12 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Alright. Thanks for responding. Have a nice time and hope we meet again soon. Pavanjandhyala (talk) 15:35, 12 February 2015 (UTC)
 * I've still got the untitled project on my watchlist, intrigued to see when it gets an official title and whether it's what's been suggested! Happy Editing. Pam  D  15:40, 12 February 2015 (UTC)

S/O Satyamurthy has been officially confirmed as the title of the untitled project. It was also stylised in the same spelling. Pavanjandhyala (talk) 05:57, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

ANI regarding the Australian Newspapers
Hi Pam, sorry about the ANI I started yesterday, I know it hit a sore spot for you since you are a retired librarian yourself. I just wanted to emphasize that I had no idea these kind of training events took place and the thought didn't cross my mind. I probably should have looked at the individual user pages before bringing it to ANI, but that's something I don't normally do as new users rarely have any content on their user pages. When I wrote the ANI I was careful not to accuse anyone of anything, and just state my concerns that I thought it was odd behavior and may be a problem. I hadn't come across a situation like this before and wasn't sure how to handle it, I figured it was best to inform the admins rather than ignore it. My intentions were surely not to upset anyone, and I apologize if it did. I have issued an apology to each of the users who were left ANI notices. Have a nice day. -War wizard90 (talk) 00:20, 13 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the note, and for the notes on the novice editors' talk pages. Fortunately as brand new editors they probably didn't recognise that an ANI notice almost always means "Someone is complaining to the authorities about your editing", but it still wasn't very welcoming. WP:AGF, WP:BITE and all that. At least now you know that training sessions happen (you didn't? do you know that there are also student assignments (see Education noticeboard) etc?).  You say "new users rarely have any content on their user pages" but the user names you were adding to the ANI notice were all but one blue links, not red, so obviously had something there - in fact the fact that they systematically, untypically, were blue links might have alerted you? And the usename "librarytraining"? (Though if you'd never heard of training sessions I suppose that's not much of a clue). Anyway, you've learned something, the editors have been welcomed and there are a group of nicely-done articles on long-standing Australian newspapers, and perhaps many more to come if the editors have survived their first bit of WikiDramah. And I'm sure that next time you see something which seems unusual you'll dig around a bit more, perhaps quietly ask a friendly admin, on their talk page, to have a look at it, rather than rushing to ANI quite so fast. Happy Editing!  Pam  D  09:25, 13 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the feedback, I'll admit that my investigation should've been better, chalk it up to a knee-jerk reaction which I now regret. I hate wiki-drama as much as the next person and when you unintentionally find yourself as the cause of it, it's no fun. I'll admit logging in to see complaints about my actions was disheartening, however, in the few short dealings I've had with you I've come to respect you as an editor and member of this community. Had it been someone else being so vocal I might have just been upset and ignored the whole thing, but since it was coming from you I took a second to reflect and decided to apologize as you had suggested. I should probably do that more often, but I hardly claim to be perfect, only to try and improve. This will be a lesson for the future, I surely don't want to be in the same situation again. -War wizard90 (talk) 23:57, 13 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the kind words. Let's draw a line under this episode and get back to clearing up the mess of Cardarelli-inspired junk units and dodgy country-by-country units articles! Happy Editing.  Pam  D  00:12, 14 February 2015 (UTC)

The user Sadman Sakibzz
Yeah I have already tagged so many of his articles for deletion, sadly some of them though I can't get deleted cause they went through a afd already though. (which this guy has been blocked for sock puppets) Wgolf (talk) 17:05, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

Thank you
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Nepalese editors & DAB pages
Hi PamD

I have been having some 'conniptions' with a Nepalese editor, see here and  and found another one who I though might be able to help me, but then I saw you had queried them in March last year about a cut&paste they did to a DAB page.

I am disturbed because apparently they are an Admin and Bureaucrat on the Naplis WP. (see ne.wikipedia.org) I saw that they did this edit which appears to be a move/cut&paste to an article without explanation and wondered what you thought of it? 220  of  Borg 12:22, 6 April 2015 (UTC)
 * I've had a go at sorting out the mess! Pam  D  17:02, 6 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes, I see you've reverted, and a lot more! Looks like you spent nearly 2 hours there! Thanks. I must say I had no idea which was correct, but now it seems the page name and text there now have different spellings! (Kavrepalanchowk District vs  Kavrepalanchok). I think its quite silly the way such translations into written English are 'fought' over. English doesn't even sound like it's written, let alone another language after translation!
 * • Not sure what's going on with 'my' guy though, or his sources at least. I made Nepals' National Police Academy intelligible, I hope (here), but the source doesn't seem to 'work'. Is internet in Nepal possibly so bad that the on-line sources that do exist can't be found? i.e. http://npa.nepalpolice.gov.np/ comes up as via Google as "This webpage is not available", but Google translate gives a result! Can't understand that.
 * • I see that you've been involved with Jefferyseow about Draft:Satwant Singh Dhaliwal too! :-/ 220  of  Borg 03:07, 7 April 2015 (UTC)
 * The link from the dab page at National Police Academy (which you link to above) was to National Police Academy of Nepal which redirected to Nepal Police! I've now retargeted that redirect to the article you've been working on at National Police Academy, Nepal. Lots of chaos in that country's WP articles, it seems. Pam  D  07:32, 7 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Whoops! Entirely my link error, though some good seems to have come out of it! I hope there hasn't been a copy/ paste to the new National Police Academy, Nepal page! :-o 220  of  Borg 08:33, 7 April 2015 (UTC)
 * And I've proposed a page move at Talk:Kavrepalanchowk District - I was hoping that a Nepal expert might come forward to give an opinion, but decided to be WP:BOLD and go for it. Pam  D  08:01, 7 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Yep, had a look. moved it back in 2005, and they are a sysop, though not highly active, but may have some useful input. In fact they created that page! I wonder if there is a log of  "frequently moved pages"? as this silliness over non-English translated to English seems rather common, and possibly  comes down to local pronunciation! I wonder if there is an 'official' Romanization of  Nepalese languages/s? - 220  of  Borg 08:33, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

Links
I see also that you can access the link/s I marked that were dead for me. I'm stumped! - 220  of  Borg 08:33, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

Enough is enough
see Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents. Pam D  18:43, 11 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Noted, thanks PamD (We tried, sigh!) - 220  of  Borg 00:45, 12 April 2015 (UTC)

April 2015
Hello and Namaste PamD sir,

I am sorry for my mistakes when some of the texts were removed.I never do any mistakes but sometimes it happens accidently and ask for appologizes if i made such any.You know peoples have to give respects to peoples because no animals need any respect like us and so,i wanna humbly suggest and would like to ask for help when i fall in difficulties.Anyway thanks.Mahendra Niraula (talk) 07:38, 8 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Suggestions: Edit carefully. Use the "Show Preview" button, and do not hit "Save" unless you are 100% sure that your edit is correct and is not damaging existing content. Take care not to damage the encyclopedia. Learn from comments people leave on your talk page. Take care to write in clear and simple English. And, if you are not competent to edit in English, consider editing a Wikipedia in a language with which you are more familiar. Above all, edit more carefully, both on talk pages and in articles.  Pam  D  07:42, 8 April 2015 (UTC)

Urging to write any messages or comments in talk page
Hello,It's me MaheIndra Niraula and by the way you did a confusion act that you left a message written to me on your own user page which makes me a bit baffled to find it quickly so,please to write me any messages,leave that written messages on my own user page Mahendra Niraula (talk) 09:37, 8 April 2015 (UTC) so th I can read it out as soon as you posted here.Well,with the respect to your suggestion about writing articles and editing styles,what I wanna say you that I do these all by being careful to the some extent however, sometime it does happen something wrong and I try to avoid them all.yea,that's a good idea when you advised me to try in familiar language and I am doing both in English and Nepali language therefore, I think you are clear about my intentions and attempts of doing something forWikipedia now.You also are a editor like me but since you have just a language(English) as a mother language,you have no any difficult and can make rare mistakes while editing but I don't have such easy way. But I understand the English well to some extent or including to help Wikipedia whatever you don't understand about my writing.Anyway,happy editing Mahendra Niraula (talk) 09:37, 8 April 2015 (UTC)
 * As you can see clearly written both at the top and at the bottom of this talk page, I reply to messages here on this page unless I have been specifically asked to reply elsewhere. It's up to you to read and understand notices like that, which are very common on user talk pages. I replied to your previous message on your talk page because you appeared not to understand what my talk page was, as you'd dumped a message on my user page. It would have been helpful if I had "pinged" you to tell you I had replied here, but that would have been an extra. You should have been looking out for an answere on this page. Pam  D  18:28, 8 April 2015 (UTC)

Singaha Bahini Higher Secondary School, Myanglung
Hi, Iam a bit unsatisfied with what you have done to the article " Singha bahini higher secondary school" because the section or heading "Teachers " is suitable and you have reverted it too but i would say if you feel this whole article is quite unfit to wikipedia you can delect it all.It's not good to put just a heading.You are trying to do unjust to the new editor like me and you are discouraging totally in my thought.You know i took a long time to procure the facts to make a perfect article so,iam hesitating to write article now and ask to other expert editor too whether it is fit or not.You have removed my citations and references too why?So,if the wesites are like this then what to add other? This is your policy of making to other editor quite upset.Anyway,if you are doing it by mistakes then it's ok.And i would like to request you to not remove all headings like you did in that article.Mahendra Niraula (talk) 12:48, 8 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Again, please read the notice at the top of this talk page. It says "If you are discussing any particular page, please provide a link to it - it makes life easier for me and anyone else seeing this page." That's actually just common sense and courtesy in any case. Next time, please remember to link to Singaha Bahini Higher Secondary School, Myanglung - though I am now confused as to which is the correct spelling, the one at which you created the article or the one you use in the text (Singaha or Singha?) Which is correct?


 * Can I also point out that messages with dates as the subject heading are usually those left when an editor uses a standard "template" message, not those left by individuals. Please use a more informative subject line. I've amended this one. Pam  D  18:33, 8 April 2015 (UTC)


 * And, in haste because I've got things to do this evening, I don't see that I removed any citations from the school article; I removed the list of teachers' names because we just don't list all the teachers in a school - see Eton College for one of the best known schools in England, for example. No time for more. Pam D  18:39, 8 April 2015 (UTC)


 * See in particular WikiProject_Schools/Article_guidelines which says " While naming the head teacher or principal is permitted, lists or detailed information about current or former pupils, parents of current or former pupils, administrative staff, school secretaries, teachers etc. is usually inappropriate." So your heading "Teachers" is not appropriate. You might like to read the rest of that article, WikiProject Schools/Article guidelines, for guidance on how to write about schools in English Wikipedia. Pam  D  23:13, 8 April 2015 (UTC)

And to In terms of particular page,which page shall i refer you when this page ready existing here I am talking about its heading that you took out?Mahendra Niraula (talk) 01:18, 9 April 2015 (UTC)

@PamD :And by the way,you have focused to procure the (link) but a Iam confused even on this cases so,what kind of links should be added here please?I think you are just pretending that you don't understand the writing which I am using here in both talk Page and writing. But the reality is that I use simple English as I do writing article so that it can easily be read and understood by all.Mahendra Niraula (talk) 01:18, 9 April 2015 (UTC)

@PamD :Another case is that you have talked and quoted me that just the "Teachers" can't be listed in school's article so,what about placing the headline with different subject and including the names of teachers?Don't claim by saying that you have not removed my citations linked to article (Singha Bahini) because I had added few citation by removing the ( citation templt) but I don't see any of them.Mahendra Niraula (talk) 01:18, 9 April 2015 (UTC)

I will reply on your talk page, to keep the record of my comments there. Pam D  07:43, 9 April 2015 (UTC)

Project profile
Okay so I saw this page for Project profile which you put a prod for but the creator deleted it-I do agree it does sound like a dictionary deff but not sure if it should go through a afd or not. Wgolf (talk) 04:33, 9 April 2015 (UTC)
 * It's slightly less bad than it was but still seems pretty useless. I'm not convinced that it's a term which means anything in general, rather than being used by specific organisations. By all means take it to AfD. Pam  D  07:38, 9 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Done! Wgolf (talk) 14:59, 9 April 2015 (UTC)

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Dervla Murphy, volunteer work
I recently edited this sentence: "She followed this by volunteering with Tibetan refugees in India and Nepal and trekking with a mule through Ethiopia" to read: "She followed this by volunteering to help Tibetan refugees in India and Nepal etc".

The original sentence didn't convey the meaning which was intended - which is that she volunteered to help Tibetan refugees - but that she volunteered with Tibetan refugees to do something in India and Nepal. You changed another part of the text (Full Tilt and other early writings), which I hadn't edited, from "Murphy volunteered to work with Tibetan refugees" to read: "Murphy worked as a volunteer with Tibetan refugees". You then reverted the sentence I had edited to its original form, with the comment ""volunteered to work"sounds like the one-off decision to work". I don't see that it does, and in any case the next part of the sentence, that she worked in two separate countries, would have cleared up any confusion on that score.

Can I suggest that "She followed this with volunteer work helping Tibetan refugees" would explain the circumstances without any possible misinterpretation? Robocon1 (talk) 09:44, 18 April 2015 (UTC) Apologies, link here: Dervla Murphy  Robocon1 (talk) 09:47, 18 April 2015 (UTC)

Improper stub tag additions
I apologize for duplicating the stub tag in the insect articles you created and for the time you spent correcting the error. I'm not sure how it happened, but I clearly failed to notice that they were already placed. Roches (talk) 18:40, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

Arnside Knott
Hi,

In 2012 you reverted my son's edits to the Arnside Knott with snarky comments about Wikipedia policy.

I have been pissed off at you since then.

I believe that you should have, at worst, added an 'attribution needed' tag to his edits.

But instead, you reverted true information because of what I perceive as your stick in the butt opinions of wikipedia policy.

I am still pissed off, and I still don't understand why someone would _revert_ true information rather than add the 'attribution needed' tag.

Am I missing some detail, or was your behavior simply lame?

Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by RichGibson (talk • contribs) 07:17, 24 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Looking at the history of Arnside Knott I see that an editor added a mis-spelled, uncapitalised, unsourced, note about there being friendly highland cattle on the hill. I removed it as unencyclopedic and left a friendly note on the user talk page as the editing appeared to be that of a young child from its style. The information was then re-added by the same editor, with what appeared to be a source, and is still in the article today. That's how Wikipedia works. I'm sorry that you feel unhappy about that. ... Looking further, I notice that the "source" is a blog and not a Reliable Source, so the information could be removed from the article again. Pam  D  08:16, 24 April 2015 (UTC)

Anne F. Garréta
Thanks for contributing to and referencing the Anne F. Garréta page - the first page I've created on Wikipedia! Technolalia (talk) 11:10, 24 April 2015 (UTC)


 * You're welcome: I hover around the encyclopedia sorting stubs and picking up on whatever catches my attention, and I noticed she'd been proposed for deletion but seemed someone who ought to be sourceable. There's a lesson to learn from this experience of having your first created page nominated for deletion: always include at least one good solid Reliable Source. It's important for all articles but even more so for living people, where an unsourced article can be deleted after seven days with no requirement for anyone else to look for sources - see Proposed deletion of biographies of living people.


 * Have you got a source for her date of birth? You included it in the article so must have got it from somewhere, unless perhaps she's a friend or family (in which case see WP:COI).


 * Ideally sources are given as nice full references, but even a bare URL (web address) is better than nothing, and sources don't need to be online if you have found the information in a published documents (book, newspaper, etc) and can give a proper reference just as you would in a written paper. There's a lot to learn about editing Wikipedia, but it's an interesting journey. Enjoy your editing! Pam  D  12:22, 24 April 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the advice & tips. Much appreciated. Don't know AFG personally, got birthdate from the French page https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anne_F._Garr%C3%A9ta Should I cite that? Or translate the page? Technolalia (talk) 15:32, 26 April 2015 (UTC)

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Hi Pam - sorry I hadn't realized I had done anything wrong. Someone already made the page and I just edited the topic of my degree and my birth date. You can delete if you wish! Profkatejones (talk) 22:17, 12 July 2015 (UTC)
 * You didn't actually manage to add your birth date and make it show, so I've fixed that.


 * Someone else had made the page and when I looked at it out of interest after hearing you on Radio 4 (which was probably what inspired the article's creation, from the date) I tidied it up a bit (including moving it to standard form of title).


 * If there are changes you feel the article needs, it would be best to suggest them on the talk page, with published sources (online or print). There's more info at Autobiography ... in fact I now see that there it say that it's OK to make the sort of incontrovertible factual edits you did, although I'm sure that this is contradicted elsewhere! No problem, anyway - just a policy to be aware of.


 * Welcome to Wikipedia, and enjoy your editing - I'm sure there's plenty of stuff about bats to add or improve. Pam  D  22:54, 12 July 2015 (UTC)

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Possibly living
Yeah I agree-but there also seems to be if the person has had no info in years-heck I've seen possibly living for former child stars who last acted in the 1960s even! Wgolf (talk) 22:57, 16 July 2015 (UTC)
 * I don't really know why they have "possibly living" - seems fairly useless category - but I'm sure PROD BLP applies to it anyway. The first ref provided now is actually for a newspaper article about her partner, but includes the fact that she's still alive in May 2015. Pam  D  23:03, 16 July 2015 (UTC)
 * Its a odd cat-I have found stuff like "Guy was in the Olympics in 1932" listed there even! Wgolf (talk) 23:04, 16 July 2015 (UTC)
 * There's a definition at Category:Possibly living people: "Persons of advanced age (over 90) for whom no documentation has existed for a decade or longer can be placed in Category:Possibly living people." So this good lady was likely to be too young, from the initial info provided (and the now-added newspaper ref has her partner as being 82 in 2015). A child star from the 60s would be far too young for this cat (max age... say they were 14 in 1960, which is pushing it, they'd only be 71 now, and probably much more likely to be alive than dead! Pam  D  23:11, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

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Hey, just to let you know, I saw your question at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Text formatting, and made the edits... before realising that the page had been copy pasted from PMDTechnologies. About to follow How to fix cut-and-paste moves. Cheers for pointing this out! ‑‑ mjgilson T 16:22, 17 July 2015 (UTC)

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Larkspur Press
For the moment, I'm going to leave aside from the fact that it took you eight hours, not "a couple of minutes", to create the category in question. The main thing is that if I'm in the middle of working with the untagged uncategorized articles list and a page I've already tagged suddenly comes bouncing back onto the list again barely minutes after I've cleared it, then I have to immediately stop everything else I'm doing and unbounce it again before I even go back to the rest of the batch I'm still in the middle of tagging, because that's the way the job of tagging uncategorized articles works.

If you want to use a category that doesn't exist yet, then you have the option of creating it first and then applying it to the article after it's been converted into a bluelink — but as the person who's doing an uncats-tagging run, I do not have the option of simply leaving it as a redlink-categorized article pending something that might happen in the future. My responsibility, when working with that tool, is to get it cleared to absolute zero each and every time I'm working with it — I cannot leave some articles sitting on it just because somebody might deign to eventually create the category in question. People frequently add redlinked categories without intending to create them right away, and it's not my responsibility to be able to read anybody's mind.

If a page shows up on the uncats list, then I have to do whatever is necessary (creating it, restripping and retagging it again, or replacing it with other categories) the very moment I see it there at all, especially if it's bouncing right back at me mere minutes after I've already dealt with it the first time — because keeping that list clean is the categorization project's single overarching "trump card" priority. As the categorizer, you have other options (i.e. creating the category first and then applying it), while as the tagger, I don't have the option of simply leaving the page on the uncats list — so you're free to feel as inconvenienced as you want by it on your own time, but you don't get to put it on me as some kind of error or inappropriate action or unwikilike conduct on my part, when I merely took the action that the task I was working on required me to take. Bearcat (talk) 07:37, 10 May 2015 (UTC)


 * Perhaps in an ideal world your "uncats" list would have a five minute delay. I don't know where you got your "eight hours" from: Category added at 23:56, and Category created 23:57. Some confusion over time zones? Yes, another time I'll Preview but not save, then create the cat. It's obviously much less typing to add the redlinked category first, then click on it to create it, which is what I was doing here.


 * But perhaps if it bounces back into your list you could try a little WP:AGF and assume that the editor who's added it is about to create it? Just for five minutes? Pam  D  07:48, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

Apologies and thanks
Ah, I see now. I saw 134 was, essentially, a useless article in a category that wasn't complete yet and decided to merge this into it to help. Thanks on picking that up so quickly! KieranTribe (talk) 20:21, 16 May 2015 (UTC)
 * "Notability" of numbers seems a bit of a grey area.
 * At WikiProject_Numbers there is a "proposal" to have individual articles on all integers from -1 to 200 whether otherwise notable or not.
 * At Notability (numbers) it is noted that "however, it is accepted that every integer between −1 and 101 has its own article even if it is not as interesting as the other."
 * It looks as if there is an article for every number up to 200 but not thereafter: 247 (number), which redirects to 240 (number), is the first I can find without its own article.
 * Looking further... 134 (number) was gutted a few months ago, and I've now reverted to the previous state - which is very similar to that for many other integers. I hope you agree it looks a bit more respectable now.
 * And there's a whole set of road number lists - and I've added the UK A134 road to that list I rescued, while I was there - the sort of one-thing-leads-to-another which makes editing Wikipedia such fun, and such a time sink. Enjoy your editing. Pam  D  20:52, 16 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Ah, thanks. I should've checked the revision history, it's so annoying when people vandalize like that. Mm, that's why I felt that it needed the content and not a deletion, the fact that all those pages exist. And you. :-) KieranTribe (talk) 11:15, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

NPS
Regarding the stupid and ridiculous fuss over adding one stupid definition to one stupid article explaining the uses of an abbreviation, it is a sad state of affairs for this enterprise that people are allowed to force through their edits simply by virtue of having the time and obsessiveness to come back again and again undoing someone else's good work. 86.152.163.183 (talk) 14:33, 23 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Alternative viewpoint: it's a good thing that there are people around with the energy to uphold long-established rules despite other editors' preferences to ignore the rules. What part of WP:DABABBREV is not clear? It says "Do not add articles to abbreviation or acronym disambiguation pages unless the target article includes the acronym or abbreviation". Just edit the article on Legal highs to add the terminology you consider so important, with its abbreviation, and then the abbreviation will be a valid entry on the dab page. And then please make a Redirect from the spelled-out version of the phrase too.
 * ... but I've just found that New psychoactive substance already redirects to Designer drug, where the term and its abbreviation NPS are both mentioned, so I'll now add that to the NPS dab page... Done. Pam  D  14:45, 23 May 2015 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Clare Richards
You are invited to join the discussion at Articles for deletion/Clare Richards. You may be interested in Articles for deletion/Clare Richards, since you said in an earlier edit that Clare Richards is not a DAB page. Thanks. π♂101 (talk) 21:40, 24 May 2015 (UTC)

Wikiquotes ...
Wondering if you followed up at all on this exchange. I just picked up another case of wholesale removal, to Chris Lehane here. There are more indications in the user's User Contributions, some on lists, some on articles with 'wikiquotes' as the opaque-ish explanation, of wholesale removals; then a cessation of all activity, under IP# at least, in August last year. I don't have a strong feeling for the quotes or an inclination to do a wholesale reversal but feel I'm closer to your inclusive bent than to the other user's rather fearsome attitude. I am inclined to reverse the Lehane-article removal -- the quotes have good citations, seem worth having in. Curious, would appreciate any thoughts. Swliv (talk) 21:21, 25 May 2015 (UTC)


 * This editor's quotes-removing was discussed at [] - see several threads on 's talk page, archived here, also here and here (all 3 threads on same archive page), and there's also a mention there of a discussion at Village pump. But, no, I haven't followed it up at all. Good luck! Pam  D  22:27, 25 May 2015 (UTC) (links improved 16:45, 26 May 2015 (UTC))


 * Found the VP discussion: Village_pump_(policy)/Archive_114. Not very conclusive, but might be worth a read. Pam  D  22:37, 25 May 2015 (UTC)
 * PamD, thanks much. Not my priority at moment but will get back to it. 13:46, 26 May 2015; I've reversed the removal on the Lehane page and linked to this discussion here on the Talk page there. I'll put a link to that Talk page also at the Village Pump and other discussion you cited above here if it seems appropriate. Thanks again. Swliv (talk) 16:27, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

The article Puvvulaku Rangeyyala
I think this is also done by a sockpuppet-but not 100% sure yet. Puvvulaku Rangeyyala-the sockmaster I think it is Sockpuppet investigations/Vamsiraj. Wgolf (talk) 03:44, 29 May 2015 (UTC)

Cassidy Hanson
While I would tend to agree that this article should be deleted, per WP:DEPROD any removal of the PROD tag - including by the article creator, whether in good faith or bad - makes it ineligible for deletion by that process. Perhaps take it to AFD? Nikkimaria (talk) 00:49, 30 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Actually, looking closer at the history - you could just restore your BLPPROD. The only sources that were added when it was removed were unreliable, and you need reliable ones to remove that tag. Nikkimaria (talk) 00:52, 30 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks, done, with note on talk page. Pam  D  14:03, 30 May 2015 (UTC)

re: Mrs Maesmore Morris etc
Hi Pam. Yes, that sounds fine to me. Thanks.  Lugnuts  Dick Laurent is dead 15:32, 26 July 2015 (UTC)

BJSM
hi PamD, I am getting a bit frustrated but it's because of my incompetence. I am the Editor of British Journal of Sports Medicine which is a STUB - so I am trying to improve it. I am happy to be impartial. I was using Harvard Business Review as a template - hence I made an info box with a nice image I uploaded from Wikimedia (but I need to demonstrate the copyright better, no problem) I put an hour into it on Saturday and had it looking good (opinion) but the changes were essentially deleted by RandyKitty I replied to RandyKitty and now you and I are starting again.

I am really open to being mentored and to follow the rules.

The goal is to have British Journal of Sports Medicine page be a valuable page on Wikipedia.

What do you suggest please?

karim (k2tendon sign in)

K2tendon (talk) 07:42, 28 July 2015 (UTC)


 * As they say, "If all else fails, read the instructions"! OK, so it's an "essay" not "instructions", but the advice at WikiProject Academic Journals/Writing guide really is a good place to start. Example: it points out which infobox template to use (HBR counts as a "magazine" rather than an "academic journal", apparently, so your choice of model was unfortunate and mis-led you.) That Writing Guide was linked from the stub template at the bottom of the page before you started editing it. is one of the experts on academic journal articles, so please take note of her suggestions. She knows what she's talking about. I see that you haven't added a mention of which indexing services cover BJSM, though that's one of the criteria which identify a serious journal (and I see from the journal home page that it is indeed indexed by Medline, WoS, Embase).  There is also info in that essay on how to upload an image of the journal's cover while following  Wikipedia's strict adherece to copyright laws.


 * I don't know whether there are any "Featured Articles" on academic journals as models to follow, but it might be useful to look at BMJ as an article on a long-standing UK medical journal. RandyKitty might be able to offer a better model. Good luck with your editing, just keep on reading the advice available and go step by step. Ideally, as you have a WP:COI, you should suggest edits on the article talk page and leave it to others to add them to the article, but I don't think people will object to scrupulously well-sourced factual additions. I hope this helps.  Pam  D  14:42, 28 July 2015 (UTC)


 * - previous ping won't have worked because I got the caps wrong, now amended. Pam  D  14:54, 28 July 2015 (UTC)


 * OK,, I've done my Good Deed for the Day and uploaded a cover image for you - just going steadily through the "Upload Wizard", it slots into one of the categories of "Fair use of non-free content". It looks as if the problem before may have been that you accidentally claimed the cover you uploaded to be your "own work", where of course it's the work of the graphic designer, copyright may be owned by the designer or the journal but not yourself, etc etc.


 * While I remember: please always remember to add a section heading for any new section on a talk page (makes discussions clearer), and also please always link to the article you're talking about (saves time for anyone to whom the post is addressed or passing talk-page watchers). I fixed this one in both respects. Thanks.  Pam  D  15:26, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

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Saera - stub template location, disambiguation revert
Hallo PamD! 1) Please explain and hence let me to learn form you: why you have placed software-stub at the end instead at the start of article? At end of article it is not visible for reader, hence does not play its role as something that point or underline something important for reader, here information this is stub? I have added stub template as the one you have place at the end simply is irrelevant in the meaning not visible. As I have seen so far all similar templates are located at start of page, and IMHO that is reasonable while located at the end is useless. Your contribution: 18:34, 10 August 2015‎ PamD (talk | contribs)‎ . . (4,311 bytes) (-9)‎ . . (remove misplaced and superfluous stub tag - it's already got a stub tag at the end, in the correct place) (undo | thank) Site: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Saera_%28software%29&action=history

Article: Saera (intelligent personal assistant)

2) BTW: please redirect Saera (intelligent personal assistant) from Saera (software) as this is misleading. You use "handy computer terminal with ability to communicate via GSM network" most probably everyday, but always you will describe it simply "mobile" and never as above mentioned. That is very similar situation. However formally (software) is correct but it is not adequate in this context while used is (intelligent personal assistant) for this purpose.

I appreciate your contribution, even when disagree.

Ocexyz (talk) 21:14, 10 August 2015 (UTC)


 * . Stub tags all go at the end of articles: see WP:ORDER. No article should have stub for any length of time, because people work at stub-sorting to categorise stubs by adding a more specific template instead, such as software-stub. I don't know where you have seen "all similar templates are located at start of page". Most other templates go at the start of an article, but stub templates do not: they are not "similar" to unreferenced and other maintenance categories in that way.


 * As for the title of the article: article titles have an added "disambiguator" if this is needed to distinguish the article from one or more other articles. If there was nothing else in the encyclopedia called "Saera", then this article would be at the title "Saera". As there are other uses, we need a title which distinguishes it from a person and a wasp. "Saera (software)" is adequate. If there was another kind of software, we would use a slightly more detailed name. The title does not aim to tell the reader what the article is about: that's for the article itself to do. The title just needs to be the name by which the topic is known, with whatever addition is needed to make it be different from all other article titles. You can see this process in other areas: if only one person is "John Smith", then the article is at that name. If there are two, they might be "John Smith (politician)" and "John Smith (footballer)". If there are two footballers, we get "John Smith (English footballer)" and "John Smith (Belgian footballer)". Then "John Smith (English footballer, born 1890)" and "John Smith (English footballer, born 1952)". But the aim is for titles to be kept as simple as possible, with the disambiguator no longer and more specific than it needs to be.


 * I hope these explanations make things clearer for you. What you need to do right now is to find, and add to the article, any Reliable sources which provide independent coverage of Saera to shows its WP:Notability while it is under discussion at AfD. (And you might like to copy-edit your text there: the word for having a lot of money is "rich", not "reach", twice).


 * By the way, to mention a template within a talk page comment as you did with software-stub above, you need to type  ("tl" short for "template link"). (I fixed it in your comment above).  Pam  D  22:40, 10 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Thank you. Spelling corrected. Stub policy is explained, however is counter efficient - stub at the end is not informative hence useless. Specific or not specific IMO ought to be at start, at the end is omitted by most of those to whom can be relevant as potential contributor. In consequence useless for Wikipedia improvement so can be liquidated at all. Nobody looks at the end if eventually there is a stub template.


 * Concerning disambiguator for Saera please note there is Cortana (intelligent personal assistant) and this is correct as support Wikipedia as useful tool and wiki as such. What is your opinion for this title? I just have used this solution. I think article names were introduced long time before Wikipedia to allow easy searching through.

Ocexyz (talk) 06:00, 11 August 2015 (UTC)


 * Thank you for pointing out the poorly titled Cortana article. I will follow it up when not on mobile. If you disagree with the longstanding policy about placement of stub tags then please start a debate, rather than just acting against the rules. Pam  D  06:20, 11 August 2015 (UTC)


 * I didn't want to report Cortana, just wanted to point better way and better practice, better for Wikipedia and its users.

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 * See "the Hellenic Centre opened as a cultural centre in 1994" on http://www.helleniccentre.org/pages/venue-hire.php, "support the Hellenic Centre." on http://www.helleniccentre.org/pages/membership/categories.php etc. Pam  D  16:46, 17 September 2015 (UTC)
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Hi, Pam. Thanks for your help so far. The news is that it's worse than that - it's misspelt everywhere, even on the Hammer Films website. It shows what a grip Conan Doyle's mistake has. It's quite astonishing how people will misspell it "Marie" when the spelling "Mary" is right in front of their eyes. I've tidied up as many loose ends as poss, corrected the source that spelt it two different ways(!), and removed the source that's an ill-informed blog. We've come a long way since that first, badly thought out redirect. There are still some things I would argue about, but we'll do that on the articles' Talk pages. It's a pleasure to deal with someone who thinks getting the facts right is more important than being right. Wikipedia needs more of it.

Lovely place, Silverdale. Used to stop there on our way to Millom, in the days when the journey from Manchester took all day. ..

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Fully agree with what you have said, but would note that "dick" is a very commonly used term of someone being an idiot. Indeed WP:DICK exists. It seems more an american thing than british, though does highlight that sex specific terms are used for both sexes. Polequant (talk) 14:44, 5 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Quite so. I think "Prick" is more common in UK usage, as a term of mild abuse ("silly prick", "being an absolute prick"), probably more commonly targetted at men. This whole thing seems a sad mess: Eric's wide vocabulary is not the problem, while GorillaWarfare's attackers certainly are. Pam  D  16:47, 5 November 2015 (UTC)

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Pam, Many thanks. You only see what you expect to see. JMcC (talk) 12:05, 12 November 2015 (UTC)

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I have been on wikipedia on and off for years and years, and every time there seems to be significant changes. You Pam  D, with all your long valuable continuos experience probably have not even noticed any! Interesting to note also how significantly different Wikipedia and its community in every other language/ country. I am really enjoying your guidance and advises. Thank you so much for all your help! I think I would have filled your page with STARS if I could, but everyone else should! Best, MarkYabloko   16:05, 12 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Happy to be helpful - I can see you are an energetic editor under a new editor name, but getting a fair few things wrong at present. Just go carefully and enjoy your editing. Pam  D  16:10, 12 November 2015 (UTC)

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See Village_pump_(technical) —Th e DJ (talk • contribs) 18:21, 12 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Have added that link at the two places where I'd asked about the problem. Pam  D  18:27, 12 November 2015 (UTC)

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<em style="font-family:Bradley Hand ITC;color:black">Buster Seven  <em style="font-family:Bradley Hand ITC;color:black"> Talk  17:40, 12 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Wow, thanks! I was just wondering about updating my usercount userbox and not sure which measure to use... but I'll take your word for it that 100,000 it is. I need to get away from the computer more often! Pam  D  18:10, 12 November 2015 (UTC)
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Hello Pam!

You reverted Mark Yabloko's tag on this "article" as incorrect, saying that this is an article in English. But it really is, substantially, simply the poem itself. Perhaps the tag was wrong, but I cannot see that it is appropriate to have so-called articles which are simply pastings of poems, prayers, hymns or whatever, even if they were in English. I'm not practised at adding these tag things, but it seems to me evidence is needed that there is likely to come an article-sized bit of text about this poem, and support for its notability. Compare for example John Wesley, whose article simply gives an external link to a collection of hymns he had written. What do you suggest should be done? Imaginatorium (talk) 16:44, 12 November 2015 (UTC)


 * The tag was inappropriate because the article was in English, even though it included the non-English text of the poem. It could be that the poem is not WP:NOTABLE - I don't know anything about Jain literature, though the Googlebooks link which is ref 2 tells us it "has attained national importance". Full text is often included in pieces about poems or lyrics if they are out of copyright - see I Wandered Lonely as a Cloud as an example. Tag it as PROD for "non-notable" if you like. But it isn't Not English! Pam  D  16:56, 12 November 2015 (UTC)


 * I just prodded this page... it's not just that it is untranslated, untransliterated, and unglossed foreign text, I don't think (for example) a long sentimental poem by Patience Strong in its entirety, with no substantial comment, would be appropriate either. I take your point about Wordsworth, but that article is a real article of commentary on the poem. I also looked at Lorelei as an example foreign poem which is very famous, and this page only includes the text in a picture postcard. So really no parallels, I think. Anyway, see what comments people make. Imaginatorium (talk) 15:12, 15 November 2015 (UTC)


 * That's fine by me - I was only objecting to its being tagged with an inappropriate tag, the Not English. I'm not sure whether it's notable, but those more expert in the Jain religion may show us that it is. I tried to think of a well-known Christian prayer beyond "Our Father", searched on "General Confession" and found Act of Contrition which includes the full text of umpteen versions of this Christian prayer, so if you really believe that "Being a religious text, it is POV,.." there's probably a lot of cleaning up waiting for you. I think that if this prayer is notable, then it's probably appropriate to include its text (and/or perhaps to include a translation into English if there's one available free of copyright). But I'll just wait and see.  Pam  D  16:31, 15 November 2015 (UTC)

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Hi PamD, You left me a message regarding content you restored on the Assurance page, but now I can't find the page. I don't know why it would be taken down or who did it. Did you delete all the content on the page? JenniferJaacks (talk) 16:11, 17 November 2015 (UTC)


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I guess you're right, and wrong in the same time as well, but surely you've point out the best way out of this problem. That's right, I cannot change it because it has been used since 2009 and been linked to so many articles. But actually, "Buddha" (noun) is a holy title which is not refer to Gautama only, and it can not be linked to Buddhahood (adj). I think I'm gonna use the Buddha (...) article instead. Can you help me to make a suggestion, what should I put in the (...) ? "term" or "title" or Buddhas instead? I don't think Buddhas would be a good choice, because sanskrit is lack of plural and singular, and the title "Buddha" can be used as both. Okkisafire (talk) 11:19, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
 * If you want to reply to this page, plis ping me :D Okkisafire (talk) 11:19, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
 * "Buddhahood" is a noun, not an adjective, and the article there seems to be mainly about Buddhas. The link Buddhas redirects there. To me it looks the logical place for the material you were adding, with its sections like "Explanation of the term Buddha". There's also Buddhology. Beyond that I can't really help, not an expert in Buddhism. I hope you can find a good home for the content you want to add. If you seriously think that the term "Buddha" should not redirect to Gautama Buddha, then you need to take it to Redirects for discussion. Pam  D  11:28, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
 * I think there is a miss. Actually, Buddhahood should be an adjective, we translate it as Kebuddhaan, which the prefix ke- and suffix -an is being used to change the noun (Buddha) into adjective. id.wiki already have an article which is linked to Buddhahood, i.e. Buddhabhāva (Sanskrit which is mean Buddhahood). No, I don't think I should use Buddha or I'll make a havoc to en.wiki. I just cannot think what should be the proper title for the id.wiki's Buddha in en.wiki. Can you mention a name where should I ask to help me? Okkisafire (talk) 11:40, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Maybe Buddha (title) is good enough. I hope I don't make a mistake. lol. Okkisafire (talk) 11:45, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
 * In English, "...hood", like "childhood", is always a noun, as would "Buddhaness" be. An adjective might be "Buddha-like", "Buddhaish", "Buddhaistic" or perhaps "Buddhaly". You'll find experts at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Buddhism: talk to them there. Pam  D  13:01, 19 November 2015 (UTC)

List of fictional English universities - any suggestions?
It doesn't yet exist but I'm working on it at User:PamD/sandbox/List of fictional English universities, as a light-hearted little project. Do any of my page-watchers have any suggested additions? (And yes, the UU isn't technically English but seems quintessentially so in spirit!)

This was inspired by reading a totally non-notable novel by a non-notable author (our local librarian set it aside for me because she thought I'd appreciate its settings, including roads I drove over a couple of weeks ago), which featured the "University of North Yorkshire". There are already lists of fictional Cambridge / Oxford / Oxbridge colleges: time for the redbrick and plateglass inventions to get a list too, methinks. Pam D  18:00, 17 November 2015 (UTC)


 * In particular, can anyone source the University of Wetwang? My other half remembers his parents reading about it in a column in the Yorkshire Post, but I can find no trace in the online files, nor anywere else online beyond the tantalisingly similar "My in-laws used to take the Yorkshire Post (both dead many years ago - I am going back more than 35 years here) and there was a column in the paper which frequently refered to Wetwang. No doubt the columnist whoever it was is long gone but he created Wetwang University and referred to it frequently!" in a "comments" section of "Paying Tribute to Richard Whiteley". Maybe I need to wander into Leeds Central Library some time and look at full text on paper or microfilm! Pam  D  09:36, 20 November 2015 (UTC)

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Wetwang University
Hello PamD

I am not on Facebook, but the following may help you in finding out about Wetwang University, of course it could all be just a big joke? https://www.facebook.com/pages/Wetwang-University-England/106450936057135

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 * Thanks - yes, I'd spotted that FB page, but it has exactly zero content or links as far as I can see! So beyond the fact that some minds have linked the two words "Wetwang" and "University" it gets us no further on the quest. I'm sure something will turn up. Pam  D  12:50, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

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Hello. Sorry for my english.

My article was nominated for deletion. I think this is a mistake. There are many articles that confirm the importance of:, , , , , , , ,. If the problem is in the text, I ask you to correct this. My English, unfortunately, it does not allow. Thank you in advance! EvenGo (talk) 15:39, 26 November 2015 (UTC)


 * You need to argue the importance of the topic on its talk page. It's not a topic in which I have any particular interest or knowledge. There seem to be several external references - it would be clearer if you formatted them properly rather than just leaving it to the interested editor to click on each one from the talk page. Also please learn enough about editing Wikipedia to know that you should always sign posts on talk pages, and that talk pages have section headings. Pam  D  16:37, 26 November 2015 (UTC)

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My first article
Hello PamD,

thank you for your note! I'm a new member on wikipedia, so I will probably try to get to know it better the next weeks and improve my article, make adjustments and get my own page improved. I'm really sorry I didn't do it prior to writing it - sometimes my creative mind starts acting without thinking of formal stuff :) I'll try to improve though - thank you for your help! And I will check the refrences and try to improve that the next two days!

To your questions, I'm not personally involved in it but I'm always looking for new things - new patents, new ideas coming out and rethink those ideas and in cases I think they have a great future I'm trying to help and support those ideas - even without knowing personally the people behind. I think good ideas need support from people who believe in them and by explaning the ideas behind it - I can bring it closer to other people and encourage them to give their support. I hope that's okay. :)

Samira RZ (talk) 14:57, 24 November 2015 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your reply. (For future reference, it's usually best to reply to a talk page post on the same page, and if you precede it with the ping (eg ) the editor will get a notification that there's a reply to look at. It keeps the conversation in one place and makes it easier for other people to read and learn from it).  Glad to hear that you're not involved with Cloem, and I agree that it sounds an interesting new system. Please be sure to keep your article factual and accurate, and link each point to the reference(s) which support it, and it should survive. There's a lot to learn about editing Wikipedia, but it's an interesting journey. Happy Editing!  Pam  D  15:12, 24 November 2015 (UTC)


 * An interesting complication is that my browser software is reluctant to open the company's website because their security certificate is out of date. I'd planned to see whether there was a logo which could be copied and uploaded under "Fair Use" to illustrate the article. Pam  D  15:16, 24 November 2015 (UTC)


 * I definitly should spend some hours to get along with this - really complicated. My browser didn't have a problem when I checked last time. But to find a logo, you can just put cloem into google and look for pictures and it finds the logo easily without any danger or anything. greetings Samira RZ (talk) 15:27, 24 November 2015 (UTC)
 * Good idea, thanks - done! (And you don't need to ping someone on their own talk page, they get notified automatically: lots to learn). Pam  D  15:48, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

hi Pam, can I ask you for some help? I don'T really get how to put the right citation - my references are not connected to the spot they need to be at in the article (so some of them are put in there another time) but I saw that you can actually connect those - I'm just not really getting it - even after reading the articles about it. Thank you very much in advance Samira RZ (talk) 15:13, 26 November 2015 (UTC)


 * At minimum, put  outside your reference in the text of the article, and it will appear, numbered, under "References" because reflist is already there.  Pam  D  16:46, 26 November 2015 (UTC)

thank you so much! Just edited the article, put inline references. Going to see how to improve it more now. however, thanks a lot for your help!! Samira RZ (talk) 11:26, 27 November 2015 (UTC)

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 * I have a feeling that it's a series title used in USA not in UK - something to do with American tastes. On Amazon.co.uk compare UK ed with US (Minotaur) ed. I've not got the time to sort it out now (just got home, got to eat and get out), but I don't think the US series title should dominate these articles about books by a British author, just as the US covers should take second place, if present at all, to the rather classier (to my mind) UK covers! But then the UK covers are designed to appeal to me, the US ones not. I'm sure we can work out some sort of wording which reflects the fact that only in the US are they called "Mysteries": Brits are happy with "Novels". Pam  D  18:15, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

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If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be removed without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Stefan2 (talk) 18:09, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

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"What not to include"
Hi Pam,

Concerning your revert: I agree it was bold--but that was actually requested by the original bold editor :-):
 * "Added longish para on purpose. WP:BRD, delete or edit as thought best"

In any event, I also agree with your revert, mainly because as I looked at the original paragraph more carefully, I realized there was a lot more that really should be changed. So I took it to talk... please take a look. Thanks, NapoliRoma (talk) 19:50, 12 December 2015 (UTC)


 * As you've probably spotted, I've replied on the talk page. Thanks for the note. Pam  D  22:10, 12 December 2015 (UTC)

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Barnstar for ya!
Thanks for that. Stub-sorting brings me into touch with a wide range of articles - I tend to try to keep the letter "P" of Category:Stubs clear, and pick up others which look as if they need a DEFAULTSORT, or have a disambiguator and might not be properly linked from the main term, or look in some way dodgy as if they might be a longer article over-written or something else odd. And while stub-sorting I do a few other bits of cleanup as routine - DEFAULTSORT and birth/death cats, slam on a few tags if need be, tidy up a bit of formatting... that journalist was a bit of a mess initially and I cleaned it up somewhat, though I see you've now gone far beyond that. Thanks again for the barnstar. Pam D  22:26, 18 December 2015 (UTC)

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Hi - I noticed that you removed my proposal for deletion of Martin French. I proposed it for deletion because the two people it asks you to choose between have never had Wikipedia articles, so I don't think it's a useful disambiguation page. Why do you think it's worth keeping? --211.30.17.74 (talk) 07:03, 20 December 2015 (UTC)
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Pam,

Thank you for replying at: the Carpenter List page.

I made a reply there.

I appreciate your time and patience. Any help is appreciated. Jrcrin001 (talk) 21:41, 21 December 2015 (UTC)


 * I think there may be a consensus. See: Is this issue resolved? Please advise if this is okay or not?

Thanks Jrcrin001 (talk) 01:45, 22 December 2015 (UTC)

I'd say it's not resolved until you apologise at ANI and on their talk pages to the two editors you incorrectly accused of violating rules and damaging the encyclopedia. Pam D  08:39, 22 December 2015 (UTC)

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Speedy deletion done in error?
Recently I did a rewrite/reorganization of White (surname). I quickly realized that the list of real and fictional people would make the article too long. I created List of real and fictional people with the surname White and within 2 minutes had it cited for speedy deletion.

I marked the talk page appropriately protesting the speedy deletion and referred to Talk:White (surname) which I wrote the following.

I followed WikiProject Anthroponymy/Standards to rewrite or reorganize this article. As per MOS:DABNAME the List of real and fictional people with the surname White is too long for the primary article White (surname). As per MOS:DABNAME - "For short lists of name holders, new sections of Persons with the surname Xxxx or Persons with the given name Xxxx can be added below the main disambiguation list. For longer lists, create an anthroponymy list article and link to it from the disambiguation page. If it isn't clear that the article includes a list, consider mentioning that in the description." As per WP:INTDABLINK - created a list that points directly toward the relevant article. "With few exceptions, creating links to disambiguation pages is erroneous. Links should instead point to a relevant article." Jrcrin001 (talk) 21:54, 24 December 2015 (UTC)

The List page and contents was quickly deleted. 11:25, 25 December 2015 Metropolitan90 (talk | contribs) deleted page Talk:List of real and fictional people with the surname White (G8: Talk page of a deleted page) 11:25, 25 December 2015 Metropolitan90 (talk | contribs) deleted page List of real and fictional people with the surname White (A10: Recently created article that duplicates an existing topic, White (surname))

I believe the speedy deletion was done improperly. A rfd or merge should have been considered if the editor objected. WP:G8 Pages dependent on a non-existent or deleted page - Clearly this page was dependent on White (surname) and a split off list. WP:A10 - "This applies to any recently created article with no relevant page history that duplicates an existing English Wikipedia topic, and that does not expand upon, detail or improve information within any existing article(s) on the subject, and where the title is not a plausible redirect. This does not include split pages or any article that expands or reorganizes an existing one or that contains referenced, mergeable material. It also does not include disambiguation pages. (When the new title is a reasonable term for the subject, converting the new article to a redirect may be preferable to deletion.)" During a rewrite or reorganize of White (surname) the name list of real and fictional people was too long in my opinion for the primary article and I did a split off. This was very clear in my statement (see above).

The White (surname) page was reverted to the way it was before I started. The cleanup, infobox, et cetera all gone. All the work gone. Question. Did I follow the guidelines wrong for such articles? I do not think so.

Again, I believe the speedy deletion was done in error and I am requesting that you as an administrator please review or send it to the proper area for review. Thank you. Jrcrin001 (talk) 16:21, 27 December 2015 (UTC)

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Porur, Malappuram has to stay because it has its own village government called Panchayath and so it is not part of any other village. More details are coming. Prof. Manna (talk) 08:50, 28 December 2015 (UTC)
 * No-one has suggested that there should not be an article at Porur, Malappuram. But you need to provide Reliable sources as references to support each statement in the article. "I know this" is not enough for the encyclopedia. Please improve the article to make it a more useful part of the encyclopedia. Happy Editing. Pam  D  18:50, 31 December 2015 (UTC)
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Your comments are needed
Hi PamD. Happy new year!

I've been thinking about Search and intitle and trying to support the articles that use them, in all there forms. I've done about all I can do, and in the process given ear and hand to all aspects of the situation. Yet I cannot say I've reached my goal of answering your original question at Help talk:Searching. It was my goal to support your efforts, and they aligned with mine. Now I'm not so sure.

All I need is that you will at some in the near future please make comments at WT:What Wikipedia is not for the usefulness of your search links at List of Latin and Greek words commonly used in systematic names as an example of why they should not all be deleted as well as the many thousands of lesser search links? I hope you are interested. I think you should at least contribute, as the example, how and why they are so useful and necessary for content building? You might tip the argument. &mdash; Cp i r al  Cpiral  03:05, 1 January 2016 (UTC)

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...as you've got a reply. Also, Phabricator/Help covers how to set up Phabricator notifications. :) --AKlapper (WMF) (talk) 22:42, 27 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks: my problem was that I was away without email access, though logging on to edit Wikipedia from time to time. All the info at that link seems to be about email notifications, not notifications through Wikipedia alerts or talk page. Pam  D  14:40, 1 January 2016 (UTC)

Cleckheaton University
PamD

The renowned poet, Ian McMillan, refers to Cleckheaton university twice in his book 'Daft Yorkshire Customs.' All are made up by McMillan himself and the university is referred to on pages vii, viii, ix & 58 as background to some very wild but innocuous claims.

There is a section on Wetwang, but not on its supposed university. The joy of all things (talk) 21:46, 1 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Thanks for that - I'll keep an eye open for the book! And if List of fictional English universities ever becomes a blue link, you could perhaps add this info there! (Currently a work in progress at User:PamD/sandbox/List of fictional English universities). Pam  D  07:59, 2 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Ah, I now see that the very Dalesman advert includes mention of the uni! Thanks, that's a good enough source I think! Pam  D  08:00, 2 January 2016 (UTC)

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