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Infobox Christian leader
It appears the Infobox Christian leader has and tags in the template. Same case as Template talk:Infobox officeholder. Can do the proposing on the talk page? Looks like the bot run for Infobox officeholder took care of most articles. See John Joseph O'Connor (cardinal) for an example. Bgwhite (talk) 08:41, 10 March 2013 (UTC)

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Atom Heart Mother
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Ditto the header. Nyttend (talk) 06:39, 12 March 2013 (UTC)

Yes, I would like to do some forward planning.--ClemRutter (talk) 21:18, 12 March 2013 (UTC)

Authority control
Was just reading up on authority control and the authority control template. This sounds like something I could help with. Can anyone insert authority control templates in articles, or is this all done by some sort of bots or a specialized group of contributors? •••Life of Riley (T–C) 19:36, 12 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Anyone can, and you'd be welcome. A bot was run to populate the bulk of relevant articles, but that was a one off. Obviously, it's important to double check that you have the right person's AC data, and not that for a namesake. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:39, 12 March 2013 (UTC)

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Preston
Interesting course.Reneef57 (talk) 10:47, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

Hello, this is vanbed76. Vanbed76 (talk) 10:47, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

Have you picked this user name due to work experiences? Aed001 (talk) 10:47, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

Hi Andy, how are you? CWilky1 (talk) 10:47, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

It is good to catch up with you again. Paul2point0 (talk) 10:47, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

Hello,this is the best training course I have been on. Adoyle123 (talk) 10:47, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

Howdo!
Hello Andy, How are you doing? Codd bottle (talk) 15:06, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

Hello from sunny Preston
So far so good ... although think I should have come to the morning one when brain cells were a bit brighter. SEASHWORTH (talk) 15:07, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

Hello
Hi. Hipstorian (talk) 15:07, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

Hello
Hello Flying Pig, I'm enjoying the training. Bluedovetail (talk) 15:07, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

Training
Very interesting training, thank you, Susan. Susan Gleave (talk) 15:07, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

Hello
Thanks for the course today Jhayward001 (talk) 15:07, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for today
Thanks Andy for the training at Ludlow today. Much appreciated! KateMuse (talk) 11:38, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

Hello
Of all the training courses I've been on this month, this is the first. AJPXIV (talk) 11:38, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

Hello
Hello from Ludlow. Peter Reavill 11:38, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

Hello
There is certainly a lot about the back-end of Wikipedia that I knew nothing about! Dr.k.hardman (talk) 11:38, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

Hello from Lud
Ta for today. Daniel Ludlow (talk) 11:39, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

thanks so far Andy
what beer. BeesWin (talk) 11:39, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

Hi there from Lud
Many thanks for the interesting course. JackieLMRC (talk) 11:51, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

Wikidata weekly summary #49
Here's your quick overview of what has been happening around Wikidata over the last week. Read the full report &middot; Unsubscribe &middot; Global message delivery 18:38, 15 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Development
 * Design improvements to the SetClaim API module
 * More work on implementing the simple inclusion syntax that will be 1 way to access Wikidata data on Wikipedia
 * More work on Lua (the second way to access Wikidata data on Wikipedia)
 * Added parser page property to hold entity id in client. This fixes:
 * 45037 - don’t show edit link if noexternallanglinks has suppressed all Wikidata links
 * 44536 - have the edit link go directly to the Q### pages, instead of Special:ItemByTitle which shall make the link be more reliable and work for all namespaces
 * Selenium tests for deleted-property-handling
 * Selenium tests for multiline references
 * Selenium tests for add-sitelinks-from-client
 * Selenium tests for Entity-Selector-as-Searchbox
 * Selenium tests for language-table
 * Implemented in-process caching for entities
 * Lua support to access the repo data and implement getEntity (so you can use stuff like entity = mw.wikibase.getEntity("Q1459") in Lua modules)
 * rebuildTermSearchKey is now ready for production (this still needs to be run but once done it will make search case-insensitive)
 * Improved error reports from the API
 * Ground work for better edit summaries from the API
 * Added a table of content to item pages
 * Added debug functionality to be able to investigate why it takes longer than it should for Wikidata changes to show up on recent changes and watchlists on Wikipedia
 * Finished implementation of References-UI
 * Implemented GUID generator in JavaScript
 * Worked on fixing a bug related to deleted properties where the UI would display wrong information
 * Minor fixes/additions to the JS datamodel implementation
 * Minor bugfixes in Statements-UI
 * More work on RDF export
 * Discussions/Press
 * When to autoconfirm users
 * More property proposals
 * Events
 * Bibliothek und Information
 * 3rd Media Web Symposium
 * upcoming: Wikidata trifft Archäologie
 * upcoming: SMWCon
 * Log of latest office hour on IRC (in German)
 * We’ll be at the Amsterdam Hackathon
 * Other Noteworthy Stuff
 * New features/bugfixes on wikidata.org are planned for March 20
 * Lua roll-out! You’ll be able to use it soon to access Wikidata data on Wikipedia. Here's two introductory blogposts:
 * The new pope didn’t go unnoticed on Wikidata either
 * Someone sent the dev team a cake! <3
 * Want an easy way to add authority control data? Check this
 * We crossed item ID 7000000
 * We now have over 4000 active editors \o/
 * Some more stats based on a database dump from end of February
 * Reasonator got a few more goodies
 * Did you know?
 * If you add a Babel box to your user page Wikidata will show you items and descriptions in other languages you speak as well without you having to switch the language
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Richard Wagner II
How do you feel about data in a potential infobox vs. the quite elaborate navbox ? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:58, 3 March 2013 (UTC)
 * The navbox already has some metadata; however navboxes contain less information (and thus less metadata) abut the person (o other subject) than the infobox. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:31, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Did you look at his navbox? It has A LOT. I wonder about repetition, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:36, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
 * It's probably too long for some people. You could trim or remove "years active", "notable works" or "influenced". Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:51, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
 * I would remove "influenced" first, while the notable works should be seen on top, and years of activity are not in the navbox, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:50, 4 March 2013 (UTC)

Robert Stoepel has an infobox now, Wagner is in my sandbox, see above, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:06, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
 * ps: Graham Waterhouse, Philip Glass --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:09, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
 * [EC] Those look good (Glass needs to use flatlist and plainlist, but that's relatively minor). Meanwhile, unfortunately, some editors are still systematically removing infoboxes from articles, citing "WP:COMPOSERS", contrary to the findings of the classical music projects' RfC. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:41, 4 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Glass was not by me ;) - I will add a few, - I started several composers who never saw that "please don't ..." - which is no more than a request anyway --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:50, 4 March 2013 (UTC)

In the context: for classical composers, there's often not only a place of study, but also important teachers in specific topics, - thinking of Graham Waterhouse's teachers for cello and composition at three distinct universities. It would be much better to place the teachers to the so-called Alma Maters than under "influenced". Ideas? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:46, 7 March 2013 (UTC)
 * I'd be inclinded to put them under influenced, as "John Doe (teacher at Juliard)" or suchlike. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:16, 8 March 2013 (UTC)
 * That's what we have, that's what gets disputed on Classical music, - bottomline: "known for" and "influenced" are subjective and not wanted at all. Teachers, however, are objective. - I looked at creating a different template "classical music person" but find "person" so complicated that I stepped back, at least for now. I looked at "artist" for an example, which has "Work" and "Spouse", which I would like much better than "Notable work(s)" and "Spouse(s)". You mentioned those are perennial questions, - would it be possible to have different appearances? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:39, 11 March 2013 (UTC)
 * If someone isn't influenced by their teacher, then that teacher isn't worth mentioning in their biography. Nonetheless, the issues you raise would best be debated and decided on the talk pages of Infobox person or (once the current furore has died down) MOS:Infobox. We need more consistency between infoboxes, not less; and we shouldn't fork (or create new-) infoboxes because we haven't resolved a problem with or disagreement over what we already have. I miss Br'er... Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:47, 11 March 2013 (UTC)
 * helped, thank you --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:50, 11 March 2013 (UTC)
 * ps: Orchestra infobox: proposal, another fork? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:42, 16 March 2013 (UTC)

Philip Glass was changed to "person, and not by me ;) - Wagner (and others) : is there a way to point from the infobox to the navbox, which really contains a lot that should not be repeated? - A great helper does more composer navboxes now, Bach has much more, for example. - on missing, see also --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:06, 14 March 2013 (UTC)
 * I suppose you could put  in a relevant parameter in the infobox, where   is an anchor for the navbox. I'm not sure whether other editors would accept that, mind.  Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:59, 15 March 2013 (UTC)
 * You were right, they don't like it, pointing at the rules that prohibit linking to the article. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:01, 18 March 2013 (UTC)
 * "Rules"?! Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:36, 18 March 2013 (UTC)
 * quote "Incidentally, the guidelines on infoboxes are to not use them to navigate to sections of the page itself." - where would that be? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:55, 18 March 2013 (UTC)
 * MOS:INFOBOX, last sentence of first para. -- Red rose64 (talk) 15:42, 18 March 2013 (UTC)
 * thanks for looking up: "Do not include links to sections within the article; the table of contents provides that function." - But now the navbox is not mentioned in the TOC, so the reason why I should not do it is not valid. Look at Graham Waterhouse where I tried: the alternative to linking to the navbox would be to repeat all the pieces listed there, with the problem of double maintenance. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:07, 18 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Gerda, I had a look at the infobox in Graham Waterhouse. The "Details" link provides no details of any kind, about either him or about the information in the infobox. Instead, it misleadingly sends the reader to a navbox at the very bottom of the page that does nothing more than repeat the linked articles currently in the infobox + a couple more that are already linked in the appropriate section of the article. That is the main objection to putting links like that in the infobox. On another point, there is nothing in the article to suggest, let alone verify, that he was influenced in his compositions by all the people listed there. If they were his teachers, then have a field in the box for teachers, but don't use original research to tell the reader something which may be manifestly untrue. For all you know, Waterhouse's grandmother may have influenced his music more that Robin Holloway. Voceditenore (talk) 16:30, 18 March 2013 (UTC)
 * I moved the teachers to the universities. So far I had hoped for an answer to a question raised above, raised because I feel like avoiding "influenced" and "known for" at all, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:53, 18 March 2013 (UTC)
 * The others might tolerate it as it would shorten the infobox. See my talk: a great helper does one composer navbox after the other. - Different topic: can you create an infobox (or 3?) for Anna and Bernhard Blume, two individual artists who form an artistic unity (photos, not music, mind)? (private note about them also on my talk) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:18, 15 March 2013 (UTC)
 * I was thinking of regular editors, rather than the crowd you see to refer to. What content would you envisage moving from infobox to navbox (I'm not sure where on your talk you mean)? Regarding the Blumes, Gilbert & George uses Infobox artist, though that could admittedly do with some tweaking to make it more suitable for collectives. I'll get on that shortly. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:28, 15 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Composer: the navbox is there, for some composers more than one (see Bach), no need to move because Wagner and Bach don't an infobox yet, which could be kept short by a link to the navbox(es). I will try here. (done, please look)
 * Blumes: I would not know how to get dates of birth in, unless using several - My talk only explains a connection, look for Blume if you are interested, caution: high voltage ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:54, 15 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Bach: he was born before the calendar reform, how would that enter? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:16, 15 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Handel the same, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:04, 17 March 2013 (UTC)
 * You could take George II of Great Britain as your inspiration (search for "O.S./N.S."); that is a featured article, so its use of two calendars isn't wrong. -- Red rose64 (talk) 21:08, 17 March 2013 (UTC)
 * thanks! - I looked and feel not inspired, it looks confusing, - will dig a bit, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:16, 17 March 2013 (UTC)
 * birth date there is 30 October / 9 November 1683 - that doesn't strike me as granular. Bach is born 31 March 1685, Handel 23 February same year but his article is not concerned with the change, strange, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:26, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

infoboxes
I was cleaning up Infobox societies and thought you would be interested in either adding microformat classes, or simply nominating for deletion as redundant to infobox organisation or some university specific one that probably exists. Frietjes (talk) 21:24, 12 March 2013 (UTC)

and, there is Infobox MMA Training Associations, which probably could use some microformats. Frietjes (talk) 21:24, 12 March 2013 (UTC)

and, there is Infobox HRM Community Neighbourhood that I refactored, but could probably be simply substituted and deleted. Frietjes (talk) 21:24, 12 March 2013 (UTC)

and, there is Infobox Submarine communications cable that I cleaned up, and has microformats, but may need updates. Frietjes (talk) 21:24, 12 March 2013 (UTC)


 * Thank you. I will look at these later. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:05, 13 March 2013 (UTC)
 * and Infobox Harvard house, which could probably be merged with Infobox University of Notre Dame residence hall, Infobox Yale residential college, and Infobox Rice residential college to create Infobox residential college. the Harvard template is almost university-non-specific, since it has a university field. a couple field labels are slightly Harvard-specific, but most are not. Frietjes (talk) 17:48, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

All done (as you know, having commented at TfD). You could nominate them yourself, you know! Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 22:57, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

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Wikidata weekly summary #50
Here's your quick overview of what has been happening around Wikidata over the last week. Read the full report &middot; Unsubscribe &middot; Global message delivery 00:21, 23 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Development
 * Rolled out new code on wikidata.org. The new stuff you probably care about is:
 * Improved references. They can now have multiple lines. This should make references much more useful. You can now have one reference with for example values for each of the properties "book", "author", "page" to describe one source.
 * Fixed the prev/next links in diff view (45821)
 * d:Special:EntitiesWithoutLabel now lets you filter by language and entity type
 * Widget to add language links on the Wikipedias directly: added setting to enable/disable it per wiki and made it available for logged-in users only
 * Widget to add language links on the Wikipedias directly: improved layout / size
 * Made it so that the “edit links” link on Wikipedia is also shown when the corresponding item only has a link to this one language and no other languages
 * Submitted improved Apache config patch to make wikidata.org always redirect to www.wikidata.org, which is awaiting code review and deployment.
 * Improved the script that is responsible for taking Wikidata changes to the Wikipedias
 * Added a few ways to better debug the script responsible for taking Wikidata changes to the Wikipedias. This should help with investigating why some changes take way to long to show up on the Wikipedias.
 * Started work on automatically adding edited items to the user’s watchlist (according to preferences)
 * Finished script for rebuilding search keys, so we can finally get case insensitive matches in a lot of places
 * Support for multi-line references in diff view
 * Selenium tests for inclusion syntax
 * Improved parser function (that will be used to access Wikidata data on the Wikipedias) to accept property ID or label
 * Increased isolation of data model component to increase clarity and visibility of bad dependencies
 * Worked on schema access in the SQLStore (of the query component)
 * Discussions/Press
 * Denny had a look at some data about Wikidata
 * Events
 * 3rd Media Web Symposium 2013
 * Wikidata trifft Archäologie
 * SMWCon Spring NYC
 * Other Noteworthy Stuff
 * Join us for the Amsterdam and Wikimania hackathon and Wikimania
 * Too many items with the same label and no description? Terminator helps you hunt them all down and clean them up. Also check out the top 1000
 * Interested in the distribution of books by genre on Wikidata and similar things? WikidataStats can help
 * d:Wikidata:Requests for permissions/Bot needs input from more people
 * Detailed list of bots
 * Collecting information about creating a bot
 * We’ve crossed Q8000000
 * Did you know?
 * When you edit a statement there is a little wheel in front of the text field. This lets you choose between “custom value”, “unknown value” and “no value”. “No value” means that we know that the given property has no value, e.g. Elizabeth I of England had no spouse. “Unknown value” means that the property has a value, but it is unknown which one -- e.g. Pope Linus most certainly had a year of birth, but it is unknown to us.
 * Open Tasks for You
 * Hack on one of these
 * Still looking for the right way to contribute for you? Have a look at d:Wikidata:Contribute

Photos from Scotland
Hi Andy, as I mentioned today the images from Scotland, I was wrong. It was not BBC, it is geograph.org.uk. See for example this image as typical representative. When I was uploading images from islands around Scotland, I found most of places covered by similar photos. Best regards --Chmee2 (talk) 19:53, 23 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Ah yes, that's Geograph Britain and Ireland. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:04, 23 March 2013 (UTC)
 * I see, thanks for explanation. And if you will find some usage for some of Scottish images, will be great :) Hopefully more will come from London area soon too when the Sun will finally arrive :) Regards --Chmee2 (talk) 21:06, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

Talkback
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The Bugle: Issue LXXXIV, March 2013
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Account weirdness
Hi Andy,

A quick Q: I have an account on wikipedia (the one I'm using to write this!) but when I cross to wikimedia commons I'm not logged in; when I try and log in using this account, it says I don't have an account; so I created a second account on wikimedia; then when I cross back to wikipedia I'm logged in under this second account!

Can you advise/point me in the direction of someone who can advise? Cheers!

simontcope 09:13, 26 March 2013 (UTC)


 * Log in to Wikipedia using your preferred (original?) account. Then see . Once that's sorted, you can disregard the newer account.  Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:26, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

That's cracked it, thanks Andy simontcope 13:38, 26 March 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Slim cop (talk • contribs)

Women in the Arab Spring needs an infobox
Hi Andy. Would you be able to offer this student editor some advice? --Anthonyhcole (talk · contribs · email) 16:29, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

Thank you. --Anthonyhcole (talk · contribs · email) 19:46, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

Sarah Brown (businesswoman)
Andy, don't you ever look at talk pages? You will find the one here consists of nothing but lengthy RM discussions which have confirmed the present name. Johnbod (talk) 22:08, 26 March 2013 (UTC)
 * No; you'll find lots of objections to the name, resulting - over three years ago - in "no consensus", not consensus to keep it. I'm unimpressed by the sexist drivel espoused there. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 22:45, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

Bot job
I'd completely forgotten about it. Thanks for the reminder! Nyttend (talk) 18:58, 28 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Now we have someone else objecting that we need community consensus before implementing start date. Can you go to WP:BOTR and attempt to explain that this isn't some hare-brained idea that I'm attempting to impose without consensus?  Nyttend (talk) 20:05, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

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Infobox musical composition
In Mass No. 1 (Schubert), Infobox musical composition is used. I am looking how to best show a number (Köchel for Mozart, D. for Schubert). It's not really part of the title, but in many cases the item telling one Mozart mass in C from another (mass numbers not known well for those, too many). Should the composer appear on top, if yes how? The language is Latin, but doesn't have to show, it's default for missa. How to achieve that? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:37, 29 March 2013 (UTC)
 * What's the collective name for such identifiers? Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:59, 29 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Opus? -- Red rose64 (talk) 18:01, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

More general: there are many pieces under a generic name, for example piano sonata, followed by no. x, in key y, catalogue no z, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:37, 29 March 2013 (UTC)
 * I think you'd just make those part of the name. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:59, 29 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Here I wanted to make it granular ;) - It should appear in one line, but probably be entered as separate fields, all but the first optional. Catalogue number is the collective name, long, but won't show if combined, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:17, 29 March 2013 (UTC)
 * I added and changed parameters, applied in Sparrow Mass, Deutsche Messe and Membra Jesu Nostri, please have a look. Instead of "all in one line", I pick for the title what seems most relevant. In case of Sparrow, the funny missa brevis number of the article title doesn't appear at all ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:06, 30 March 2013 (UTC)

Wikidata weekly summary #51
Here's your quick overview of what has been happening around Wikidata over the last week.
 * Development
 * The first 11 Wikipedias can now include data from Wikidata in their articles (If you want to see it in action see the infobox at it:Torino)
 * Worked on automatic summaries for statements
 * Worked on making properties accessible from the client using their label so you can use instead of  for example
 * Made qualifiers ready for the next deployment (Please test. See details further down.)
 * Selenium tests for qualifiers
 * Fixed some issues related to QUnit testing
 * Worked on improved handling and code design of multiple snak lists in the UI (qualifiers, references)
 * Discussions/Press
 * Denny wrote down how we’re planning to support queries on Wikidata. Feedback welcome.
 * Proposal for a vandalism policy
 * Now that improvements for references have been deployed here’s a discussion on the best way to use them. (You can see an example of how it could be used in the source for “CAS registry number” on Q153)
 * Should Wikidata have featured items?
 * RFC about restricting the ability to create properties to some users
 * Heise.de reporting about deployment of phase 2 on the first 11 Wikipedias
 * Report about a collaboration event between Wikipedians and archeologists
 * Events
 * Newline 2013
 * Other Noteworthy Stuff
 * We’re currently carefully monitoring performance after the deployment of phase 2 on the first 11 Wikipedias. There seem to be a few small issues. As soon as they are resolved we'll deploy on English Wikipedia. All other Wikipedias are planned to follow very soon after that.
 * Bye and a big thank you to Anja, Silke, Jens and John who are leaving the development team at the end of the month and will work on other cool things. You’ll be missed!
 * Ever had any doubt about the possibilities of Wikidata? Talk to Wiri!
 * We worked on reducing the time it takes for Wikidata edits to show up in the Wikipedias and made some progress. Daniel posted an analysis
 * We started running a script on the database in order to make search on Wikidata case-insensitive. This should be finished in a few days and then search should be more useful.
 * In addition to the above we have rolled out a new search box that suggests items. This should also make finding things on Wikidata a lot easier for you.
 * We’re making some progress with Internet Explorer 8 support but there are a lot of issues with it (some outside our control). It’s unclear at the moment how much we can improve it still without spending an unjustified amount of time on it. You can follow the progress at 44228
 * Edits are now auto-confirmed for users with more than 50 edits and account age 4 days: 46461
 * Do you need old-style interwiki links for a sister project for example? This is for you
 * The Wikimedia Foundation applied as a mentoring organisation for Google Summer of Code again. We have proposed some Wikidata projects for students to take up if the Foundation is accepted again. At least 2 other organisations that applied also propose Wikidata ideas. More details on that once we know which organisations are accepted.
 * Denny hacked together a tree of life based on data from Wikidata
 * Wikidata was added to wikipulse
 * A template to retrieve data from Wikidata if no local value is set
 * Did you know?
 * If you need to merge two items d:Help:Merge explains how
 * Open Tasks for You
 * See note at the end of this weekly summary
 * Help test qualifiers (Wikidata/Notes/Data model primer - see also example statements there) on the test wiki so we can roll it out with the next release
 * Did you file a bug report for Wikidata or did someone else do it for you? Please take a minute to check if it is still valid. (Thanks for filing it btw!)
 * Add some missing descriptions to those items with the same label?
 * Hack on one of these

Could I have 2 mins of your time? As I’ll be working on some other projects for Wikimedia Germany as well from now on the time I can spend on Wikidata will be reduced. This means I’ll have to figure out what is useful to spend time on. If you’re reading this could you let me know for example on this discussion page? Also if you have ideas how to improve the weekly summaries please post them. --Lydia Pintscher (WMDE) (talk) Read the full report &middot; Unsubscribe &middot; Global message delivery 20:38, 29 March 2013 (UTC)

Editathon in June
Passing over our occasional disagreements about infoboxes, I remember you were at the last editathon I went to and I wonder if this might be of interest? I'm not a ballet buff, but I have signed up, and I think some input from experienced senior WP editors such as you could help improve a whole chunk of the encyclopedia, if you are free and inclined. And if so, or indeed if not, can you think of other experienced editors who might be biddable? Best wishes. Tim riley (talk) 21:31, 30 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I've signed up. Are WMUK covering travel?  Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:43, 30 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Excellent! Good point about the travel costs. I've asked the authorities (in the form of Andrew Gray) and will report back soonest. We must mention this in the notice too. Tim riley (talk) 22:25, 30 March 2013 (UTC)
 * I'll have to check with Daria (but she's away until the middle of next week, as I recall, so we may not get a swift reply). Andrew Gray (talk) 23:27, 30 March 2013 (UTC)

ANI Notice
Hello. There is currently a discussion at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. Jus da  fax   06:01, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

Coordinates
Why did you change the coordinates on Three Countries Bridge to point to the riverbank 2/3 of a kilometer from the bridge? Abductive (reasoning) 22:03, 2 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I didn't. I changed them from 57.59694°N, 7.59417°W, which is in the sea North of Denmark, to 47.59694°N, 7.59417°W , which was the same value as in the map template. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 22:12, 2 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Ah, it was User:AxG who made those coordinates, but yours were different from the reasonably accurate decimal coords that had resided in the article for years. It pays to double-check since typos are all too common. Abductive  (reasoning) 22:16, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

Women in the Arab Spring Infobox
Hello! On the Women in the Arab Spring talk page you had suggested using "Infobox news event" as the article infobox. With that infobox it seems like using general Arab Spring information would make more sense than using information specific to women because there aren't female casualty breakdowns or anything. Do you think that would be strange? Nadhika99 (talk) 03:40, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes, I do - you could always leave that field blank. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:46, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

My apologies
When I called the signature messed up, I was referring to T13's signature. I didn't mean yours and I apologise profusely if I offended you.-- Laun chba ller 14:17, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I didn't think that you meant mine; I was pointing out that my comment on your unreadable sig could not be dismissed as hypocrisy. Please fix it. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:43, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

Buildings
Thank you for the nice infobox on Holzhausenschlösschen. I had no time yet, appreciate it even more. I added one to the church that decorates the Main page right now, perhaps check. I am not happy with the long bold partly blue names for the parameters. - I love your infobox opera sample, first credited Voceditenore with that dramah ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:16, 31 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Done. We'd need to edit the template to change those labels. Thank you for your kind words. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:18, 31 March 2013 (UTC)
 * I will have to expand the article, to avoid the section collapse ;) - When I add a collapsed list to an infobox, the line above it looks strange, example Mass in B minor structure, why? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:56, 1 April 2013 (UTC)

Next: Lichtental Church, - I don't see a way to mention the nickname, and find 3 lines for "people" too much. Coords? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:58, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Coordinates added (I found them on the page or the lead image). I've added other_name (maybe better centred, without a label?). Do you mean three lines for the architects? Looks OK to me. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:16, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
 * see Template talk:Infobox church. Frietjes (talk) 21:17, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank you, both, for the other name! - 3 lines: no, I mean "Significant associated people" - would they be mentioned if not significant? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:29, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Understood - and fixed. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 22:37, 3 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks! - Look at their seal: Zu den 14 Nothelfern (top) - Pfarre Lichtental (bottom), - if one line, "zu", not "Zu", and no break after 14, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:03, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

Coords
I didn't think of the logical inference that the layout I provided there might cause - by including coords as a special case of "existing", and not elsewhere, it implied its a quirk of the existing not accepted elsewhere. I only included it in first place to show both actual RJLs we have for the M5. If there was any misrepresentation on my part there it was unintentional :)

The 3 major versions now all have two variants shown (without / with coords). I've put the coords with the location data, as both are about specifying where it is and complement each other. Seems more logical than splitting the two.

I'd prefer DMS to decimal degrees for that usage, but thats a real side issue...--Nilfanion (talk) 11:43, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

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Wikidata weekly summary #52
<div style="margin-top:10px; padding-left:5px; font-family:Georgia, Palatino, Palatino Linotype, Times, Times New Roman, serif;">Here's your quick overview of what has been happening around Wikidata over the last week.
 * Development
 * The first year is over. Thank you everyone for being amazing and helping to build Wikidata and making it more than we could possibly have hoped for already. <3
 * Put a lot of work into improved support for Internet Explorer 8
 * Worked on improving recent changes code in client
 * Finished valueview refactoring. Created new extension “ValueView”
 * Implemented string formatter
 * Discussions/Press
 * RFC for defining the bureaucrats role on Wikidata
 * RFC about statements for items related to software
 * Events
 * upcoming: GLAM-Wiki 2013
 * Other Noteworthy Stuff
 * Deployment of phase 2 on English Wikipedia is currently planned for April 8. The remaining Wikipedias are scheduled for April 10. As usual this might change if we run into problems along the way.
 * There is now a page showing the current lag for changes propagating to the Wikipedias so they can show up in watchlists and recent changes for example. This should ideally be in the range of a few minutes. Right now it is higher because of some abnormally high bot activity but decreasing. Should be down to a few minutes soon.
 * There’s now a badge you can add to Wikipedia articles to indicate there is data about it on Wikidata
 * We hit Q10000000
 * A Wikidata item in the wild ;-)
 * Did you know?
 * There are a number of task forces that take care of specific jobs or topics on Wikidata
 * You can get database dumps to play with
 * There are a lot of stats about Wikidata on http://stats.wikimedia.org
 * Open Tasks for You
 * Hit a random item and add a missing source?
 * Hack on one of these

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Ballet info-box
I wonder if you'd mind looking in here and giving things a push forward (assuming you agree with the sentiments)? The suggestion, which which I completely agree, comes from our forthcoming hosts at the Opera House for the 22 June Ashton Editathon, and it would be good if we could secure agreement beforehand to make the change. Tim riley (talk) 15:51, 5 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Working on that and other improvements now. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:34, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

QSMM-photos
I have sent you an email. -- -- Clem Rutter (talk) 19:59, 7 April 2013 (UTC)  Clem Rutter (talk) 14:20, 7 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Got it; thanks - I've been away, and am catching up. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:19, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

This Month in GLAM: March 2013
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Notification of nomination for deletion of 2013 Vauxhall helicopter crash
This is to inform you that this article has been nominated for deletion at Articles for deletion/2013 Vauxhall helicopter crash. - Ahunt (talk) 15:04, 9 April 2013 (UTC)

Template:Infobox yeshiva
Hi there Pigs. It has recently been brought to my attention that Template:Infobox yeshiva was deleted, see Templates for discussion/Log/2013 March 20, based on only your nomination and one other vote, because you had nominated it for deletion. I was doubly surprised to see that it was deleted without any input at all from WP:EXPERT editors with WP:COMPETENCE familiar with this particular topic who may have wanted to participate in the TFD had they known about if you would have placed a notification at WikiProject Deletion sorting/Judaism or if you had tried to ask for some input at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Judaism. I certainly would have wanted to discuss the proposal because of my familiarity with the topic of Category:Yeshivas that are the unique core educational institutions of Orthodox Judaism. Another factor that had probably complicated your nomination was that you started the TFD on 20 March 2013 a week before the major holiday of Passover when Judaic editors are usually busy with their own personal preparations for the holiday. Can you please ask for your nomination to be reconsidered to allow for fuller and fairer discussions? It would be greatly appreciated by many editors. Thank you in advance and yours sincerely, IZAK (talk) 07:54, 9 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I too was surprised to have no input at all from WP:EXPERT editors; you'd think, if this template and its massive, er, 16 transclusions, was important to them, at least some would have had it watch-listed, and commented in the week before the holiday. Perhaps it's an issue of their WP:COMPETENCE? BTW, my name is Andy. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:38, 9 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi there Andy. Thanks for your response. No need to be abrupt, deprecating or sardonic because I am trying to be in serious communication with you. The fact of the matter is that there are very few active Judaic editors on at any one time to deal with the by now vast array of topics relating to Judaism. On top of that, the season before the holiday detracts from more Judaic editors commenting (FYI: editing WP is not part of "holiday preparation" time!), as I explained, because people are busy in real life, and I know from myself, I track lots of things (NOT everything, that's IMPOSSIBLE) year round but prior to a holiday my personal commitments preclude involvement online especially on WP. At any rate, watchlists cannot be relied upon, and the ONLY reliable way to notify the Judaic editors is in one of two ways, either post a comment on WP:TALKJUDAISM or even better, the BEST way is by making an "official" notification that no one can argue with posting the notification at the official WikiProject Deletion sorting/Judaism. As a prelude to requesting an official Templates for discussion, I am going to ask the admin who deleted to open the discussion up again so more editors can get involved once the proper and appropriate notifications have been made. By the way, I can live with any decision, but any deletion discussion must be FAIR to be accepted. Thanks again for your understanding. IZAK (talk) 07:34, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

native_name
can you tell me where you are copying this code from? the parserfunction strips out the whitespace before the 'lang=', so this does not generate what you think when native_name_lang is set (omits the required space between 'class="nickname"' and 'lang="foo"'. you should be using which correcting generates a space between 'class="nickname"' and 'lang="foo"'.  normally, I would just correct this and move on, but I have now seen you add this faulty code twice, which makes me think there are more places where this has been added.  thank you. Frietjes (talk) 17:48, 9 April 2013 (UTC)
 * data1   =
 * data1   =
 * I have a local copy which I will update. Any reason you stripped the final "|"? Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 17:56, 9 April 2013 (UTC)
 * it does nothing, and to match the usage in the inner #if statement. but, otherwise, having it there or not is the same. Frietjes (talk) 18:08, 9 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:40, 9 April 2013 (UTC)

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GLAM/QSMM/event
The telephone number is incomplete. Should it be the number that's on the Lancashire County Council page? Peter&#160;James (talk) 19:05, 10 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank you; fixed. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:50, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

Wikidata weekly summary #53
<div style="margin-top:10px; padding-left:5px; font-family:Georgia, Palatino, Palatino Linotype, Times, Times New Roman, serif;">Here's your quick overview of what has been happening around Wikidata over the last week.
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 * Got some external professional review of our code and architecture and started working on their feedback
 * Worked on reducing the dispatch lag (the time it takes for changes on Wikidata to be sent to the Wikipedias for display in watchlist, recent changes and to purge affected pages)
 * Worked on using Redis for job queue to improve the lag situation even further
 * Created new Wikibase Query extension for phase 3 functionality
 * Autocomments & Autosummaries for SetClaim module
 * Worked on the GeoCoordinate parser
 * Events/Press
 * right now: GLAM-WIKI 2013
 * Discussions
 * The RFC about bureaucrats was closed
 * RfC about policy for translation admins
 * We need feedback from contributors working on references addition or having tried to add references to statements. Please comment about your problems or your trials at d:Help:Sources
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 * Deployment of phase 2 on the remaining Wikipedias was delayed because of a high lag of changes being propagated to the Wikipedias. The lag has been reduced considerably now and is going down even more. The new date for deployment will not be next week because there are other large changes on Wikimedia infrastructure scheduled that we do not want to interfere with. It will hopefully happen very soon after that though.
 * Next code update on wikidata.org is planned for Wednesday. This should include qualifiers and bugfixes.
 * There will probably be a short outage/read-only for wikidata.org on Tuesday (database is being switched to MariaDB)
 * If you're a student and interested in coding on Wikidata consider applying for Google Summer of Code.
 * There is a new user right: property creators
 * There is now a page to request deletion of a property
 * We now have Bureaucrats
 * Reasonator was improved and extended (1 2)
 * Open Tasks for You
 * Hack on one of these
 * Help draft the next weekly summary

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