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This Month in Education: April 2013
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Wildlife of Vietnam
Thanks for the award. I appreciate it. -- Nvvchar . 05:37, 16 April 2013 (UTC)

Hi, i'm Sanha
I have just finished edited articles and I have a question about userbox. Actually I didn't understand how to use userbox last class. Would you leave the tutorial link about userbox here? One more question!. I am a little bit confused about next assignment ' Informal Reviews ' Do you mean that we have to look at articles ,individual creations made by other students, not creations made by group and review them on that article's talk page, right? I am not sure i can get it perfectly. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tksgk262 (talk • contribs) 17:02, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

Professor, Group 6 to do list upload on our project list
We write 'to do list' at Talk:Ansan street arts festival Please check it:D Thank you--Bohyunlee (talk) 13:42, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

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DYK for Ivan Petrizhitsky-Kulaga
PanydThe muffin is not subtle 16:03, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

reviewing others articles
I reviewed some articles, Fashion in Korea and Modern Korean festivals. I think the more we review articles and give some advice, the more better articles are. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tksgk262 (talk • contribs) 11:05, 20 April 2013 (UTC)

Stańczyk (painting)
Started review, thanks!.♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld  20:35, 19 April 2013 (UTC)

Im Jinsu. I have a question.
Hi Mr.Piotrus. Editing Wikis, I have one question. When I click to 'edit' button of the top menu, It says 'You are using an alpha version of the VisualEditor. It may be slow and make erroneous changes - please check each edit that you make'. What is the problem? Please help me. — Preceding unsigned comment added by JinsuRyu (talk • contribs) 03:59, 20 April 2013 (UTC)

Hubele
Intro expanded; thanks. I've never been good at writing intros, so I tend not to realise when something really belongs in one. Nyttend (talk) 15:52, 20 April 2013 (UTC)

Tadeusz Kościuszko
This article has now been passed. I made a series of changes myself to complete the checklist. Hawkeye7 (talk) 22:44, 20 April 2013 (UTC)

Thanks
Aye Piotrus, thanks for the Barnstar! Much appreciated. On your mention, I checked up on the Casimir Pulaski page and did some image size adjusting and caption work. Hope it meets with your approval. Btw, the image of the Pulaski stamp is from a photo I took of a stamp in my stamp album. (Yes, I am the proud owner.) When I first started editing/contributing on WP a few years ago I uploaded 100's of stamp images, most from my stamp collection. Cheers! -- Gwillhickers (talk) 05:58, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

Deleted AGAIN how should we do?
Our team7 Beautiful Store's page was deleted again. A person name 'Deb'? deleted it because it is thought as an advertisement. That was what the warning?? sign said.... how should we do ?? help SOS please  — Preceding unsigned comment added by GaHee Park (talk • contribs) 10:31, 21 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Hi. Please don't tell me that the criterion for deletion is wrong when you admit you haven't read the article.  The fact that it was not intended to be promotional does not alter the fact that it is written in a promotional style.  I can see that it may well be a notable topic, but is a very long article and the English is extremely poor, otherwise I might just have tagged it.  Also, it's clear from the user's talk page that they have already been recommended to use a sandbox before creating the article.  I have now uploaded the content for you here. Deb (talk) 10:57, 21 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi. Sorry, but I definitely will not restore it.  The English is so bad that it is practically incomprehensible, so it is hardly surprising that we disagree as to whether it is promotional or not.  If you are acting as an adviser to these students, you owe it to them to help them correct their work before they upload articles. Deb (talk) 11:04, 21 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I can't imagine what you are expecting to find in the edit history that you can't find in the creator's sandbox. Deb (talk) 11:47, 21 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Actually, come to think of it, I should never have put it in your userspace anyway because it's not your article, so shall I just delete that whole page? Deb (talk) 11:51, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

Beer
Thanks, I needed that! :-) Your talk page is getting a bit long - it freezes my browser.  Maybe time for another archive? Deb (talk) 13:55, 21 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Sorry, you must have just done it! Deb (talk) 13:56, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

I`m HaeYoon, Sung
Hello professor, I`m HaeYoon, Sung. Frist of all I finished my assignment which editing 7 articles and I write the suggesting review article for other groups. Also our group editing our 'To do list'. But I have a question. actually I make the infobox about beautiful store at User:GaHee Park/sandbox. But, Some information is not appear at infobox. For example, At editing page, I editing infobox about motto and vision of Beautiful store. But it is not appear to infobox at User:GaHee Park/sandbox. Why this things are happen? Could you help us?HaeYoon (talk) 14:33, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

Ideal levels of professor engagement discussion
Hi Piotrus. Noticing your threads on AN and DRV today, I've spun out a discussion asking participants at the Education Noticeboard to brainstorm about what level of involvement in student articles we expect/want from professors. I mentioned your activities there, by way of introduction of the topic. Please feel free to add any thoughts you might have to the discussion. A fluffernutter is a sandwich! (talk) 15:27, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

Hi Professor! I'm Hyegyeon Yun.
Hi Professor! I finished my assignment. But I have questions. You write on Stages and deadlines that "Before Monday, April 23, each of your members should look at an article being developed by another group". April 23 is Tuesday. There was an error with the sentence. I am confused. Please check my assignment! Thank you :D Hyegyeong Yun (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 15:58, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

professor, Have a nice week:D
Sorry, I'm little late.I finished assignments. I comment other writing in blogger and I write editing at talk page in other group's article. Also, I edit 7 articles. Yet, I am poor at commenting and editing but I really try to strive. In this week, because of no class, I do extra Wiki assignments. Please let me know what I have deficiencies in my assignments. Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bohyunlee (talk • contribs) 18:12, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Kraków Uprising
The DYK project (nominate) 00:03, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Sweetened beverage
The DYK project (nominate) 08:03, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

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Thank you!!!
Thank you for your kindness and all support!!! We all thank you!! I hope this project goes well hopefully. ;) — Preceding unsigned comment added by GaHee Park (talk • contribs) 13:42, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

We finished group project!
Professor, Group 6 finished updating our article, Ansan street arts festival. We updated images, added references and modified some contexts. Check it plz:) And, Thanks for teaching me how to add images. I appreciate it.--Bohyunlee (talk) 15:50, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue LXXXV, April 2013
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About Fashion in South Korea
Hello Piotrus. The article is still almost completely rubbish. Just sayin' is all. Pete aka --Shirt58 (talk) 12:21, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Kazimierz Chodziński
The DYK project (nominate) 16:03, 24 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Congratulations! :-) VєсrumЬа ►TALK 04:57, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

Re: Question
Hello again, Piotr. Though I have a lot of respect for your contributions I was a little concerned that you might be involved in some sort of content dispute in the future. Other than that, I have no doubts that you will become a good administrator and I admit that I have made a mistake in my vote, so I changed my vote to neutral as a result. Other than that, I would be happy to have others help out on the Chopin article, namely Brianboulton. Also, I will help out on the Pulaski article whenever I can. Thanks, Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 04:00, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

Thank you
Hi Piotrus. Thank you for the Society Barnstar. It's awesome and I really appreciate it. --Rosiestep (talk) 04:49, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

Hello I'm Bo hyun!
Professor, I did this week assignments, W9 writing and 7 edits, yesterday. This week, I learn many thing through my mistake. I'm really poor at English..... This mistake will not be repeated in the future. And it is thanks to your help:) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bohyunlee (talk • contribs) 13:18, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

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Your candidacy
Oh, difficult one! I genuinely had not noticed that you were up for consideration. If I had, I would not have voted for you, but I would probably not have opposed you actively either. I have not had much contact with you in the past, and in your favour is the fact that you sought to make up the dispute with me and not to turn it into any kind of ongoing confrontation. However, I did think that your initial approach to me was rather aggressive and that your attempt to get the article restored on technical grounds was a poor use of everyone’s time and showed a lack of judgement. Although I appreciate what you are trying to do with the Korean students, it would have been more profitable if you had just helped them to lick the article into shape rather than making a major issue out of it – in my opinion, this was setting them a bad example, making them think that Wikipedia is here purely to help them practise their English. I would not hold the fact that you have previously been blocked against you in the long term – this has happened to many people who have later become valued contributors. However, I think there may be a communication issue and this may be partly cultural in your case. But don’t misunderstand me, I am not opposed to people becoming administrators just because English isn’t their first language. In short, I see no reason not to trust you but I would not feel able to vote for you at this stage.Deb (talk) 14:24, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Added sugar
Casliber (talk · contribs) 16:02, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

Your forthcoming RFA
A most enlightening talk page; are we now running university courses from Wikipedia? We'll have to think up a degree name. Anyhow, that's not why I'm here, I'd just like to know if you have abandoned this ill-conceived plan Requests for adminship/Piotrus 2? It's tiring having to research your Wikipedia history (a degree subject in itself - a fascinating romp across the plains and steppes of Easter Europe) and I hate wasting my time.  Giano  10:16, 24 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Ah, Giano, what is tiring is your gutter sniping. If you plan to re-litigate the past it might not go as well for you as you anticipate. VєсrumЬа ►TALK 13:19, 24 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Interesting edit summary Vercrumba . In the last 24 hours, I've seen that insult before - Quelle coincidence! You should be careful Vercrumba people will start jumping to conclusions.   Giano   14:50, 24 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I love these conspiracy theories of yours. Your faith and certitude in your fallacious suppositions are, nevertheless, something to be admired in their own way. Sort of like admiring the ill-fated Palace of the Soviets for its architectural value. VєсrumЬа ►TALK 04:52, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Ha, I find that an interesting coincidence as well. I'll AGF, of course, but Vecrumba, the best thing would have been to apologize for a rather shitty little joke. Drmies (talk) 04:10, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

Stańczyk (painting)
Passed, well done! I have a painting at GA too, can you review Portrait of Catherine, Duchess of Cambridge for me?♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld  20:23, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

You're brave! I thought you were already an admin. You're probably too much of a superior editor to be an admin like myself and Malleus! Care to review this for me?♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld  09:44, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

Your talk page, it burns!
I wanted to come to your talk page to suggest that challenging (what seems like) every single editor who registers a negative or neutral opinion on your RfA candidacy feels like badgering, but when I got into your talk page I got presented with an assault on the eyes. Would you consider simplfying (and removing the floating along divs on) your talk page to make it more approachable? Thanks Hasteur (talk) 15:53, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
 * In this I have to agree, they really do wreak havoc. (!) VєсrumЬа ►TALK 23:56, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Same here, I can't always read what you've written.Deb (talk) 12:03, 26 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I suggest another row in your table w/the core talk page content with another column at left (say 10-20 pixels wide) that could be color coded (say or red) and flow into the notice (same color background). That would get the notice you're looking for without masking content. :-) VєсrumЬа ►TALK 14:05, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

Well, I remove two out of three floaters yesterday, and the third one will go away in few days, so... --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 14:08, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

Hello Professor :)
Hello professor, I'm sehyun Oh of group 3. I saw your comment in our article's talk page. So we rewrote some points that you advised. Please check our article again :) Thanks.   — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dhtpgus90 (talk • contribs) 09:36, 28 April 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Safety-valve institution
Casliber (talk · contribs) 00:03, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

Re: Turyści
No idea, really. I never seen the term used in any context other than a brief mention that the people who were trying to reach France after 1939 were sometimes jokingly called that. I'm not sure it's a good title for an article, I'm not even sure they deserve their own article rather than a section in some other article (Polish Armed Forces in the West?). Sorry mate.  // Halibutt 01:11, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
 * BTW, just noticed your RfA :) Shouldn't you also notify your other long-term fans? The two-man Russian team, the three-man Lithuanian team... :D Anyway, good luck.  // Halibutt 02:00, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Some of them are probably already there. Volunteer Marek 02:03, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Most of them got themselves blocked or retired over the years. Anyway, notification other than here is seen as a violation of WP:CANVASS, and given that I tripped over that policy way too much in the past, I am certainly trying not to shoot myself in another foot by stepping on that one again :) --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 02:11, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I noticed they are apparently there, if not in person, then in spirit. Anyway, że też Ci się chce... :) EDIT: BTW, my advice to you: start a new account, edit only hard science articles for a year, start your "first" RfA and watch how many people actually oppose you and how many did so in the past because of who you were back in 2005. ;) And yes, it is a joke about starting a sock-puppet. A slightly sad one though.  // Halibutt 08:53, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

Casimir Pulaski
Hi, this article is looking like it is almost ready to be passed. You may have missed my comment on it but the only issue left is the cite required tag in the last paragraph of the "Southern front" section. It looks it came about as the section was broken down into smaller paragraphs so I imagine it will straightforward to fix. Zawed (talk) 08:46, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

I finished 7 edits.
I had to edit 7 articles, but I was late. I'm sorry. So I finished it now. And I will do another 7 edits for this week assignments. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Choi Hyun Hee (talk • contribs) 13:15, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

RfA
Hello,

I am unable to vote in your RfA; I can only edit via Kindle Fire right now, and I am unable to navigate to the bottom of the Support section. However, I just want to let you know I would support you if I were able.

Love, Keepscases (talk) 00:20, 26 April 2013 (UTC)


 * I am able to vote in the RfA, but I will choose not to, as it so much reminds me of what my RfA would look like, were I ever daft enough to submit to one again. If I were Piotrus I'd stick it out now though, nothing much to lose. Malleus Fatuorum 01:31, 26 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Piotrus, I really wanted to be on your team there, but the way you let loose on Giano and then others pretty much dictated the rest of events. During RfA, candidates should kiss babies and hand out puppies. Tit-for-tat, whether one is right or wrong, will always end in a failed RfA. Sorry. Drmies (talk) 05:02, 27 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Why should they Drmies? Why shouldn't admins be normal human beings with normal reactions? Why must an admin be an ass licking civility obsessive?♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld  10:15, 27 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Ernst, if I respond to criticism in a more civil way than Piotrus did at the RfA, am I an asslicking civility obsessive? What an odd dichotomy to insert here, and I wonder if you meant to call me that. And I didn't say an admin needs to be anything--you're confusing "being an admin" with "being successful at RfA". Drmies (talk) 15:11, 27 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Fair enough w/ regards to my reply to Giano, although I don't believe I was uncivil towards anyone else. I understand now, however, that it is considered improper to reply to others' votes in RFA. I thought I'd impress people by showing that I respect their views and care enough about them to try to engage them. I badly miscalculated. Shrug. Live and lean. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 02:55, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

No Drmies. You said that Piotrus should be engaged in ultra civil behaviour as the expectation for people running RFA is to  "kiss babies and hand out puppies". That is expecting ass licking behaviour from candidates which I think is unreasonable. There is a big difference between a civil, unheated response and ass licking. I'm more suspicious of editors who "hand out puppies" than make a sarcastic retort as I think it often comes across as false and shows a desperation to please everybody just to grab some tools. I think it's time the RFA process was given a complete overhaul. It is just an example of the general extreme approach to wikipedia and the worst case scenario outlook which is prevalent here. Candidates are treated as likely to become the worst case scenario in the same way things like images are treated as "there is a 0.01% chance of being sued, we must not use it" kind of approach. At RFA, every imperfection of a candidate is turned into the primary reason to oppose somebody, even if they are over 90% perfect as an editor, rather than giving them the benefit of the doubt and at least a chance to prove their worth. The wikipedia community generally has the tendency to grossly overreact and look at worst case scenario as a probability, and in my opinion this rigid outlook is slowing down progress and change for the better on here. Just how many positive proposals for reforms (like DYK etc) have been proposed and rejected as no consensus because of hyper response from many? ♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld  11:36, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Dr. B, I will make the point that it's not so much that the Wikipedia process is particularly broken, as that RfA is little different from any political election. There is a body of academic literature on RfAs, through I don't recall any comprehensive treatment. Unfortunately, I am not enough of a political scientist to be able to provide a better analysis of the RfA, but I doubt that the system is unique. I have written several essays on admins in 2008, back when I still was an admin: On why good admins don't exist. I am afraid that in the five years since the problems I identified back then have not went away, and likely intensified. I am considering writing another essay based on my recent experiences, through I am not sure if this is a good idea; I wouldn't be surprised if by criticizing the RfA I wouldn't open myself to future oppose votes due to disrespecting the RfA process or such :> After all, as I note in my essays, on Wikipedia, everything can and will be used against one, naive spirit of WP:FORGIVE and its larger brother AFG and such be damned, and rotting in their virtual graves for many, many years now :( --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here  13:22, 29 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Just to let you know that my oppose was singular, and I would remain open in the future. I think Drmies sums it up pretty good above. I would argue that much more is expected from admin than when I started in 2006, and seemingly, more axes to grind as time goes on.  There is more established consensus in many areas, so ignoring rules or being bold is more difficult.  In most respects, I think this is good for wikipedia, but it doesn't make having (or getting) the bit easier.  Anyway, it wasn't personal and I wouldn't have considered events from years ago.  I didn't even go look them up.   Dennis Brown - 2¢  © Join WER 22:12, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the note. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 04:55, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

WP:Poland tagging
Wouldn't it be easier and faster to have it done using WP:AWB? - Darwinek (talk) 05:46, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Well, it is kind of easy to use. The biggest benefit is, that it is way quicker for all kinds of automatic and repetitive edits. - Darwinek (talk) 19:17, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

Tourism
Replying to your message on my talk page: I'm amazed that an admin candidate wouldn't know about the first two points; the notion that "business tourism" could be stretched to include war seems to indicate a poor knowledge of the English language. Anyway, as youself say here above, "live and learn." Kraxler (talk) 15:19, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
 * 1) Categories include articles as defined on the category page, not as defined on the (sometimes) homonymous article page.
 * 2) Category pages do never include references; they do not explain the topic, but only state the scope of the category.
 * 3) "Business tourism" does not include war, or refugees.


 * Replying to your reply: Please read WP:Categorization for more info. Military is not part of the service sector, it's government/administration. And waging war is not business tourism. Just ask your English teacher about it. And now a piece of advice (which you are so eager to get): Do not ever ask somebody about references for common knowledge, it disqualifies you from further debate because the other participant(s) get the notion that you don't know what you're talking about. Farewell! Kraxler (talk) 13:57, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
 * P.S.: The source you added today to Service sector, is self-contradictory, since the military has not the public as customers, they work exclusively for the government. Kraxler (talk) 14:10, 1 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Feel free to add any article connected with business tourism to the category "Tourism", please avoid to add articles on waging war and refugees, since they are unconnected to the subject. Kraxler (talk) 14:18, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Famines in Austrian Galicia
— Crisco 1492 (talk) 16:02, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Poverty in Austrian Galicia
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DYK for Sikorski's tourists
— Crisco 1492 (talk) 16:04, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Business tourism
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DYK nomination of Yongsan Dreamhub
Hello! Your submission of Yongsan Dreamhub at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know!  —♦♦ AMBER  (ЯʘCK)  13:34, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

Pittsburgh cuisine
As a former resident, you may be interested in the current CFD for Category:Cuisine of Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. Nyttend (talk) 17:15, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

Kapusta
Both versions of the articles - and the 1st AfD - deal with the same topic i.e. Polish cabbage. Therefore the PROD tag should never have been added, and a new AfD is needed. Regards, GiantSnowman 11:53, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

Idea
Hi Piotrus...sorry your Rfa didn't succeed...one thing, while not admin related, that won't hurt is to take 2-3 of your former featured articles and bring them back to that level. I've been working off and on with my oldest FA to get it updated before it winds up at FAR. Just a suggestion that won't hurt and you can show it as a net positive on your next Rfa.--MONGO 15:16, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

Thank you
I'm sorry your RfA wasn't as successful as we both had hoped, but thank you for the pierogi. Mmm. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 20:16, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

Campaign finance / Political finance
Hi Piotrus, now that you finally agree there is the need for two separate articles, how about removing the "Merge proposal" templates from both articles? Khnassmacher (talk) 06:27, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

Your Request for Adminship
I am sorry to inform you that I have closed your recent RfA as unsuccessful. Whilst you will not doubt be disappointed with the result, I hope you will continue to contribute to Wikipedia and will given due consideration to the comments of those supporting and opposing. Best, WJBscribe (talk) 08:32, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

As I said in my neutral comment, I hope you re-apply again in the future and look forward to following your work. Cheers, Mkdw talk 00:04, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the welcome, but...
I've been a member of and contributing to Wikipedia for years. --Rpm2004 (talk) 08:30, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

Polish Casualties
Thanks for pointing out the need for page refs. I have hard copies of all the sources I used in article and will do a cleanup. Also should the need arise I can send PDF copies by E-mail of these sources. I am busy today and tomorrow working on the presentation for Chinese class tomorrow evening. I hope to get to cleanup on Wed. Regards--Woogie10w (talk) 15:53, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Yongsan Dreamhub
Allen3 talk 00:30, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

WikiCup 2013 April newsletter
We are a week into Round 3, but it is off to a flying start, with claiming for the high-importance Portal:Sports and Portal:Geography (which are the first portals ever awarded bonus points in the WikiCup) and  claiming for a did you know of sea, the highest scoring individual did you know article ever submitted for the WikiCup. Round 2 saw very impressive scores at close; first place and second place  both scored over 1000 points; a feat not seen in Round 2 since 2010. This, in part, has been made possible by the change in the bonus points rules, but is also testament to the quality of the competition this year. Pool C and Pool G were most competitive, with three quarters of participants making it to Round 3, while Pool D was the least, with only the top two scorers making it through. The lowest qualifying score was 123, significantly higher than last year's 65, 2011's 41 or even 2010's 100.

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DYK for Casimir Pulaski Monument in Savannah
The DYK project (nominate) 08:03, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/Shivajirao Girdhar Patil
Hi! Have proposed alternative now. §§ Dharmadhyaksha §§ {T/C} 08:12, 8 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the review. But could you remove the "unreviewed article" tag from the article's page? Or should we let the new-pages curators to do that? §§ Dharmadhyaksha §§ {T/C} 08:18, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

Hello professor, I have a question
Hi I'm sehyun oh from your class :) I saw a notification on our article page so I tried to do that said. So I added see also on the manner of alcohol with adult section. could you check again that I did right thing? Here is our article. Thanks. Dhtpgus90 (talk) 13:47, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

Thank you professor
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Pulaski Monument
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Flags in info box
We seem to have an editor (Kpalion) who seems to be very opinionated about having flags used in the info boxes in the Tadeusz Kościuszko and Casimir Pulaski articles. He removed flags in both articles without discussion. I have restored them. See discussion-- Gwillhickers (talk) 07:19, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for the tea!
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Blue Army neutrality dispute
Piotrus, I just received a email message regarding a neutrality dispute on the Blue Army (Poland) page asking me to look into it. I thought perhaps you might be more familiar with the topic than I and that you might look into it also. There is a discussion currently taking place on the talk page. -- Gwillhickers (talk) 22:05, 10 May 2013 (UTC)
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Polish casualties
Hi Piotrus! This may interest you. -- Tobby72 (talk) 08:01, 11 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Why? Please be careful of WP:CANVASS --IIIraute (talk) 08:16, 11 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Revisionists are, in fact, Holocaust (or any other genocide) DIMINISHERS, not deniers. U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum : "It is estimated that the Germans killed at least 1.9 million non-Jewish Polish civilians during World War II." -- Tobby72 (talk) 08:57, 11 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I think you are missing the point.--IIIraute (talk) 09:15, 11 May 2013 (UTC)
 * dementi: Why do you (Tobby72) want to single out one country, i.e. Poland/Poles, while on the other hand you want to summerize the civilian casualties of Belarus, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Moldova, Russia, Ukraine, etc. as "East Slavic peoples"? The current version does not single out any nationality, but rather gives a short summary of the different categories of (non-combat) casualties: ethnic/ethno-religious groups, POWs, people with mental and/or physical disabilities, homosexuals, and members of the political and religious opposition. The groups mentioned consist of civilian casualties from all European countries, not making a difference between a Jew, Roma, Slav, homosexual, or member of the political and religious opposition from Germany, Poland, France, the Ukraine, or any other European country. And there is a good reason for it, as otherwise the section of this article would have to contain far too much detailed information. The Germany article only includes a short summary of more than a 2000 year history. This is not the right article to deal with such details - other articles do, and the appropriate links are provided.--IIIraute (talk) 06:36, 12 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I responded with a comment here. Tobby72 (talk) 18:06, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

Emilia Plater GAR
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Re: Review of Justynian Szczytt (d. 1677)
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DYK for Nature reserves in Poland
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uncivil comment?
what uncivil comment? --IIIraute (talk) 06:02, 12 May 2013 (UTC)
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Blue Army
For a quick snapshot of the primary source's account of the events, please see the Wikipedia page of the United States envoy to Poland Hugh S. Gibson, and if you would like to reference his official report on the issue you may do so at the US State Department archive. I am not sure how much more bias the 'Controversies' page can get, and what kind of individuals are pushing a special agenda, but if you honestly looked what the US envoy wrote, you would not think that Faustians' contributions are legitimate.

Note how Faustian uses Weasel word to create an overall exaggerated impression of the events in question, and others are used to cast doubt on anything reported by the Polish side as being legitimate... you don't think that this is bias? Everything the Polish side said --68.191.79.36 (talk) 12:53, 12 May 2013 (UTC)is just a "claim".

Also, note how Faustian conveniently referenced a book that had the shooter of the Blue Army soldier in Czestochowa listed as "unknown" I referenced a book link, and it states that the suspected assailant was a local jewish man. And I bet that if I do more research I can find more information that he was indeed a supporter of the Bolshevik cause.

Also, the US envoy stated that may of the newspaper articles reported were false or exaggerated, and actually planted by German and Soviet government sources. Now, these "historians" conducted their research based on those very same false reports, so you can "source" Faustians' version all you want it is still inaccurate. How else could someone like William W. Hagen say that based on his research the Blue Army took part in the Lwow Pogrom when French, British, Polish and American government records had the Blue Army on the Western Front when the Pogrom happened?

Finally, You mean to tell me that secondary source accounts of the events made by the so called "historians" who did their research out of their office, override the primary source accounts made by a United States envoy (no less) who was on the ground at the time of the events?

At the every least the 'Neutrality Tag' should be re-added until the accuracy of the sources can be reviewed, and the language used in the article reviewed by someone else than just You and Faustian. --68.191.79.36 (talk) 12:27, 12 May 2013 (UTC)
 * I don't have time, I am afraid, to look into this right now. Please register, and WP:CITE the sources properly, through please remember that Wikipedia prefers secondary to primary sources (see WP:V, WP:RS). --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 12:33, 12 May 2013 (UTC)
 * hehehe... You don't have to be afraid, it is nearly impossible to discredit an American envoy, and the man himself was very honorable by all accounts. His report was buried and forgotten, while historians like Hagen sourced and resourced over again. As I stated before there were individual soldier who engaged in antisemitic acts, but the challenge is not to make the text blame the entire army. Theoretically, just as an example you could go into an American Army page and say that "some" troops engaged in racist or anti-Islamic violence, but you don't see that, because claim like that can carry 'undue weight'. --68.191.79.36 (talk) 12:53, 12 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Gibson might have been a very credible person but you still need to find a secondary source to include the info. We can't use primary sources for controversial text. See if there's any secondary sources which discuss Gibson's trip to Poland. Volunteer Marek 18:23, 12 May 2013 (UTC)
 * But, at the moment I would recommend that the Neutrality Tag should be re-added to the section. I think that there is enough evidence to legitimately raise questions regarding the neutrality of the article, and how the events have been presented. I'd like to point out that even secondary sources can be deeply bias, with authors having their own personal prejudices that infect the research process, thus one should be careful, when fully casting unquestioning faith in secondary sources only. Again, I am not trying to whitewash antisemitic behavior, But, I am convinced that the Polish people have been unfairly demonized by exaggerated and at times false accusations of antisemitism.--68.191.79.36 (talk) 20:49, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

Korea
Hello!

I noticed that You wrote that You are having Your Korean EFL students work on Wikipedia. I am doing the same. A number of years ago, I did it on an individual basis with a few students. Now I am doing it as a part of a formal course. I have asked my students to use the names kyu-cics1, kyu-cics2 etc. They are free to choose what articles they edit and even in what language. I have suggested that they look at what Your students are doing. My students edits are due to be done on the 28th. Kim Dammers, Konyang University, Nonsan. Kdammers (talk) 13:54, 12 May 2013 (UTC)

Prince of Poets
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Korea
Hi,

I don't expect to be in Seoul before mid-June (I avoid the metropolis as much as possible), but I will be at KOTESOL the last week-end in May. We are doing Wikipedia as a one-off as part of a course on SNS. I can send a copy of my proposed lesson plan if You wish.Kdammers (talk) 02:25, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

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Talkback
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DYK for Wawel Dragon (statue)
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DYKSG A4
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Anti-Katyn
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Talkback
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William Post
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Igor Mitoraj
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I have just nominated for DYK an article I just created, the USS Ferret (1822), located at Template:Did you know nominations/USS Ferret (1822) and noticed you are more or less active in such reviews there. Most issues have been dealt with on the Ferret page but a reviewer has an issue with the bibliography formatting. I pointed out that the Tadeusz Kościuszko article employs such formatting in its bibliography and was granted GA status. The reviewer hasn't responded yet (at this time). If we can avoid stripping away all the formatting there that would be nice IMO, lest the sources listed in the bibliography would be all run together. Would appreciate your review also, for better or worse. -- Gwillhickers (talk) 21:01, 30 May 2013 (UTC)
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A couple of questions ...
Hi Piotrus. It's a while since I have been in contact. I trust you are well. I have a couple of questions/issues:-

1) The page (about the song) "Rose of No Man's Land" should (I believe) be called:  "The Rose of No Man's Land".  I'm not sure what the procedure is to rename this?

2) How do I apply for an article to be a "good article"?

Thanks in advance and best wishes Richard J Myers (talk)

Hi - thanks - yes your answer was fine - it gives me enough to go on for now. Best wishes - Richard J Myers (talk)

Problems with "Your King and Country Need You"
Hi, A couple of days ago I was creating and editing 3 related pages about world war 1 songs with links between each. Right in the middle of my (complicated) edits another editor "jumped in" and thought he knew what I was trying to do and started to rename pages that I was still working on (he didn't understand that there were three similar songs and not two!). Oh dear! Confusion. He has created an erroneous redirect page: "Your King and Country Need You (Pelham)" to link to Your King and Country Need You. Can I ask you to delete this so that I can move the relevant page to this title with the actual content that it should have - in other words this redirect is not required. If you can let me know when you have done this - please let's not have any more complication over this one. I just want to finish properly the work that I started. This has already wasted 2 hours of time. I left a note about editor etiquette on his talk page - he never replied - looks like I'm not the first he has caused problems for. Thanks in advance. Richard J Myers (talk)

Thanks for your reply. I have now fixed it myself as best I can by moving the re-direct page to a temporary name, then renaming "Your King and Country Need You" to Your King and Country Need You (pelham). I cannot use uppercase "p" as the old redirect page is still somewhere in the system. So we now have:-


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I hope this all makes sense. Richard J Myers (talk)

Hi, Thanks for your help. I requested deletes of the redirect pages using: "db-g6|". A Bot had created more extra ones trying to fix this! But they have all gone now and the songs have (what I think are) the correct titles to avoid confusion. The confusion between these titles seems to be everywhere on the Internet and also elsewhere in Wikipedia - I have already fixed some of these. The links above have been adjusted to the current titles. Richard J Myers (talk)

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An appreciation..
Dear Sir, I thank you for appreciating my work, especially about Stanislaw Kubista and other Polish martyrs in World War 2. I would sure like to see my work in the did you know corner, the option that you had presented to me and I agree. I hope you can place it in did you know corner, since I don't know how to place it there in the first place..hehe.. It would be of gratitude for me to share my works to others by helping me place it in the did you know corner. Yours truly... AdmiralProudmore (talk)