User talk:Ritchie333/Archive 95

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-A la d insane (Channel 2)  14:43, 17 May 2019 (UTC)


 * (good album, that) Please accept my apologies, I just gone off-wiki shortly before you sent this and then I was out for most of the weekend eating, drinking, being merry and chatting about transport and Fairport Convention with Redrose64 over beer and coffee. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  17:24, 20 May 2019 (UTC)
 * No problem. Thanks for cleaning that up, and I hope you had a splendid weekend! -A la d insane  (Channel 2)  17:26, 20 May 2019 (UTC)

Melissa M. Brown
Hi. (If you respond back, can you ping me?) I have done some changes to Draft:Melissa M. Brown (swimmer). The article is a bit better, but looking around, I would be iffy on her notability. It isn't immediately clear to me based on a few Google searches but I am also not as familiar with media in Atlanta so there could be sources I cannot see. Article is not in great shape, but still better. If the original contributor can come in and add more sources, that would also be great. :) --LauraHale (talk) 09:17, 21 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Thanks for taking a look. I'm not sure the original author will be back; what tends to happen is that they create a draft, it gets reviewed months later and declined, by which time they've long given up, leading to a G13 deletion further down the line. Aside from NCSA Sports, I didn't recognise the sources, and she seems relatively young and won't have an extensively documented career, such as olympic performances. I didn't have a clue what to do with it, other than I know articles like this are your sort of speciality. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  11:10, 21 May 2019 (UTC)
 * The notability issue is what would prevent me from working on it more. It just feels like the only way it would survive a deletion nomination would be if people with an investment in protecting women's sport articles showed up and articles in support of it from the margins of notability. :/ (My writing is horrible in that I tend to write explicitly to show notability on those type of articles on the margins. It makes articles really ugly and I know the style guide doesn't like this but not many other strategies that are as effective as source bombing to show notability.)  Anyway, if I was voting on it, it would be to move to userspace as WP:TOOSOON. If you find another article that needs work similar to this, let me know and I can take a look.  This one just needs someone who knows who better to make notability more clear. :( --LauraHale (talk) 11:30, 21 May 2019 (UTC)

Blanked page nom'd for WP:G12
Hi Ritchie333. I nominated a user's sandbox (User:SomuSaha/sandbox) for speedy deletion as G12 because it contained copyrighted text. The user just blanked the page, but I don't know if that's good enough. Are there rules about how and when copyrighted text needs to be revel'd out of existence? --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 14:33, 21 May 2019 (UTC)
 * If the user has blanked the page, that means it can be deleted per WP:G7, which addresses that concern automatically. I've done that for you. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  15:20, 21 May 2019 (UTC)

ITN recognition for Nan Winton
Stephen 23:16, 21 May 2019 (UTC)

Sheetala Asthami
You declined the G5 on the article because it has sources and suggested PROD/AFD. There's no mention in WP:G5 of sourcing, and discussing the article is the antithesis of WP:DENY. Is sourcing now a free pass for block evasion? Cabayi (talk) 14:14, 22 May 2019 (UTC)
 * There is a lively discussion on 's talk page right now, not to mention a previous thread I started, but the general gist of WP:G5 is that articles creating by block-evading users may be deleted, not must be deleted. Given a quick news search returns many hits on Sheetala Asthami, it seems counter-productive to throw out the work already started. Obviously, if you disagree that the festival is notable, you are within your rights to take the article to PROD or AfD. Regarding WP:DENY, I don't think the article looks like vandalism or trolling. Ritchie333 <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  14:22, 22 May 2019 (UTC)
 * As I said, discussing it is the opposite of denying recognition. Thanks for the answer, even if we'll continue to disagree. Cabayi (talk) 14:29, 22 May 2019 (UTC)
 * OK, I've read enough of the discussion to see that what I see as a bright-line rule others have reasoned arguments to see as more fuzzy. I guess my role in the SPI process is to keep tagging G5s and grow a thicker skin when someone won't uphold the block sees it differently. Cheers, Cabayi (talk) 14:44, 22 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Sometimes things are a tricky balance - the best thing to do is understand that things are never black and white and what to do depends on the circumstances. It's the core tenet of WP:IAR, after all. I could argue that by letting the article stand, it won't be recreated again and again by a sockfarm under slightly different titles which is more disruptive. For example, Sockpuppet investigations/Johngalea24/Archive (although in that example everybody was right to delete the article). In this specific instance, this seems to be a relatively minor incident of somebody trying to create autobiographies, failing to do, then moving onto other things they know about. It sounds more WP:COMPETENCE than genuine disruption, though I know there are people like who do a lot of subtle behind the scenes work to keep serial sockfarms at bay (which is WP:DENY). <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk)  <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  14:52, 22 May 2019 (UTC)
 * FWIW, I tend to take a harder line on it than Ritchie, but I understand his point of view. On Indian stuff, depending on the sockmaster there’s an argument to delete because they may be misrepresenting the sources. As an analogy, there’s an Italian neo-fascist LTA who creates articles on all sorts of notable Italian things that falls into my “nuke on sight” category because, well, you have no clue if the offline sources actually say what he says they do, or if he’s misrepresenting them because he thinks Italians are the master race, so who cares about the details? You have a lot of crap like that on the Indian caste socks. All depends on the sockmaster, but I don’t think PROD would hurt in this specific case. TonyBallioni (talk) 15:08, 22 May 2019 (UTC)
 * The first thing I do when evaluating speedies is a Google News search. I pretty much ignore what's in the article until I've done my own research - after all, if the article contains unsourced speculation, it can be replaced by sourced facts, if it contains puffery, it can be removed, and if it contains copyvios, they can be revdeleted. In this case, it's a fairly small and innocuous stub that has potential expansion, so my gut feeling is somebody (?) might be able to do something with it. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  15:18, 22 May 2019 (UTC)
 * I think this is a good decline (and I would decline a PROD, too). This is a quasi-major festival of religious significance over here and I am seeing non-trivial coverage in Bengali as well as Hindi sources. An often-quick way in these cases is to check out the referencing over the local-language wikis. The hi.wiki article leads me to this Yahoo news-piece and a government site which describes it as a major festival of a state-capital. &#x222F; <b style="color:#070">WBG</b> converse 15:50, 22 May 2019 (UTC)

ITN recognition for Judith Kerr
Ad Orientem (talk) 18:05, 23 May 2019 (UTC)

The Inner Mounting Flame?
"Reviewing the album for JazzTimes in 1998, Bill Milkwowski said: "More ethereal pieces like "The Dance of Maya", with its odd time signatures and arpeggios ... helped to create a kind of mystique about the Mahavishnu Orchestra that was wholly unprecedented for its time." But any idea what they are? Paste suggests that Cobham plays a "bluesy 10/8 drum pattern." But there are at least two in that track (I think): Martinevans123 (talk) 21:13, 23 May 2019 (UTC)
 * I haven't got a clue, but King Crimson are early pioneers in odd time signatures, such as the two guitars going out of sync and then back in again on Discipline "Frame by Frame". 10/8 is not particularly odd. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  10:52, 24 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Oh well. Yes, I thought that too. And not as odd as the 18/8 of "Birds of Fire", I guess. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:57, 24 May 2019 (UTC)
 * It's been a day for things being not so strong and stable. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  11:01, 24 May 2019 (UTC)


 * Ah yes, strong and stable.... for some reason reminds me of Old Ned. Bring on the prancing show ponies.... Martinevans123 (talk) 11:22, 24 May 2019 (UTC)



Manchester meetup - 9 June 2019
This is an invite to/reminder of the Manchester Meetup on 9 June 2019. Starting at about 1pm on Sunday 9 June in the Sir Ralph Abercombie, 35 Bootle Street, Manchester. Full details are on the Meta page at m:Meetup/Manchester/36. It would be useful if you could say whether you're likely to be coming so we have a rough idea of how many to people expect and how large a table to reserve. Thanks, and hope to see you there. Thryduulf (talk) 13:37, 25 May 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Hope Ryden
&mdash; Amakuru (talk) 00:02, 27 May 2019 (UTC)

More image warring from Camila Cabello fan
Check. User is yet again trying to be the image uploader. Uploading the same image at the non-preferred dimensions of 316x316px. Can you please take action? I want to avoid starting an ANI thread since I don't have a good track record there. (Note: I had originally removed this message but they have repeated this disruptive behaviour again at File:Alejandro Sanz and Camila Cabello - Mi Persona Favorita.png.)—<b style="color:purple">N</b><b style="color:teal">Ø</b> 05:41, 27 May 2019 (UTC)
 * What action do you want me to take? <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  12:20, 28 May 2019 (UTC)
 * They seem to have ownership issues with Camila Cabello articles/files. You could post on their talk page to ask them to stop reuploading files without reason and convey that they should upload covers with 300x300 dimensions. They usually revert anyone who posts warnings on their talk page so an admin will probably have a better likelihood of getting through to them. Also optionally, you could revert their bogus reuploads to make this more clear. They all have the wrong size/dimensions anyway.—<b style="color:purple">N</b><b style="color:teal">Ø</b> 12:41, 28 May 2019 (UTC)
 * There's no such thing as "non-preferred dimensions", so "convey that they should upload covers with 300x300 dimensions" is nonsense. I've seen this kind of silly edit-warring before on album covers. If someone is uploading essentially the same image with a slightly different size just to be seen as "the uploader" then sure - that's disruptive - but this peculiar idea that album covers have a "preferred size" of 300px is bunkum. The uploaded size of the image can be up to 316px square to comply 'to the letter' with NFC, but even that is not set in stone, and that size is largely irrelevant to the article(s) anyway because the image will be displayed as a thumbnail there, which is usually not full-size. This 300px nonsense seems to stem partially from, or at least that was where the silly edit-warring I came across claimed its justification was from. I've since updated those template docs to reflect reality and try to avoid this kind of nonsense. The fact that a lot of album covers have been uploaded at 300px and some people have had the mistaken impression that this is therefore some sort of official "preferred size" doesn't make that a real 'thing'. If you want to see the closest thing to "official", by the way, just upload a 500px square album cover and wait a day or two - if it's non-free the bot will reduce it to 315 or 316px; if it's not it won't touch it. The petty justifications for image edit-warring by some music article editors never cease to astonish me... -- Begoon 13:18, 28 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Even with that logic, H9v9n9's reuploads are not justified. The images they reuploaded were not oversized. They’re doing it solely to be the uploader of all Camila Cabello artworks on Wikipedia. I was blocked from uploading images, for something very similar to what this user is doing, back in 2015. So it’s always puzzling to me when people jump in to defend this obviously disruptive ownership display from this Camila Cabello fan. Keep the same energy.—<b style="color:purple">N</b><b style="color:teal">Ø</b> 14:13, 28 May 2019 (UTC)
 * If only I'd said something like "If someone is uploading essentially the same image with a slightly different size just to be seen as "the uploader" then sure - that's disruptive"...oh, wait... I did. I haven't 'defended' anything, just attempted to correct a misconception. You really should not assume that everything is a 'battle' and everyone who doesn't agree with everything you say is an 'opponent' or you'll miss the bits where they are agreeing with you... observation - This is not entirely unrelated to your worry that ANI threads go badly for you - that's the battleground mentality you're showing here - they don't like that there. I don't understand "Keep the same energy." - perhaps it's something the youngsters say? Really, though, this all seems much ado about nothing imo. -- Begoon 15:01, 28 May 2019 (UTC)
 * As Begoon suggests, this seems to be just an argument between the two of you; if I were to take action, it would have to be fair and therefore would be action against both of you. Since neither of you has gone over WP:3RR, I am not inclined to block anyone; however I would advise you to just drop this stick because otherwise you run the risk of getting blocked yourself. "My edits were right, don't sanction me, this is about them!" is not an excuse. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  14:55, 28 May 2019 (UTC)

ITN recognition for Theresa May
Pawnkingthree (talk) 21:32, 26 May 2019 (UTC)
 * I have missed your sense of humour, Martin. The last time I was in Maidenhead was on a British Rail Class 57 (???) heading for this. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  14:10, 29 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes, I hear that Northern Rail is planning to offload a job lot of their finest rolling stock onto the less fortunate before BoJo leads us all over the Brexit cliff edge from his padded prison cell. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:22, 29 May 2019 (UTC)

Protection Expiry Date.....
.....is set a bit too long on article Petr Čech by an admin. There occured an edit warring on the page of Petr in which the admins were found to be at fault at the very end. It all started when an IP address added a previously supported statement in the article but the other editors couldn't find the citations and this misunderstanding led to a mild edit war. But an admin i think, set the protection expiry date a bit too long i think. It will expire on 23rd August. I will like to request you to please reset the expiry date to 23rd June. I know this is exclusive to your interests but it is an administrative work. Regards 117.234.145.88 (talk) 04:27, 27 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Have you contacted the protecting admin, about this? <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk)  <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  12:20, 28 May 2019 (UTC)
 * You have already tagged him so its now already familiar with him. Lets see how he responds. 2409:4063:2086:A0A:0:0:446:78A5 (talk) 15:43, 28 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi. I'm not willing to reduce the duration because I see long term disruption on that article. But, if some other admin wants to adjust the duration or remove protection, I have no problem with that. I suggest you take it to WP:RFPP. Best. --regentspark (comment) 13:11, 29 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Never mind. It is actually something foolish to call you for this regents. Because why would you like to revert your own edit. And that was why I didn't contact you. And well, I will like to correct you.... There is no long term disruption on the page other than what those admins did rubbishly without even supporting their statements. But why so friendly here, you know me, I know you. We had a very pleasant interaction some day before. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2409:4063:2086:A0A:88F7:BE25:3280:3A93 (talk) 15:48, 29 May 2019 (UTC)

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 * An automated part of my brain has detected that when I recently travelled on the M25 motorway over the Dartford Crossing to Thurrock services, I wondered why I couldn't have taken the train instead. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  14:50, 29 May 2019 (UTC)


 * I hear Uber-taxi are still recruiting, if you're thinking of a change of direction? Martinevans123 (talk) 15:06, 29 May 2019 (UTC)


 * What I can't find a reliable source for is why the gents at Thurrock are full of posters advertising solutions to erectile dysfunction? <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  15:49, 29 May 2019 (UTC)
 * I hear that section of the M25 gets totally solid at rush hour. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:55, 29 May 2019 (UTC)

Your draft article, Draft:Holly Butcher


Hello, Ritchie333. It has been over six months since you last edited the Articles for Creation submission or Draft page you started, "Holly Butcher".

In accordance with our policy that Wikipedia is not for the indefinite hosting of material deemed unsuitable for the encyclopedia mainspace, the draft has been nominated for deletion. If you plan on working on it further, or editing it to address the issues raised if it was declined, simply and remove the, , or  code.

If your submission has already been deleted by the time you get there, and you wish to retrieve it, you can request its undeletion by following the instructions at this link. An administrator will, in most cases, restore the submission so you can continue to work on it.

Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. <b style="font-family:Georgia;font-size:80%;color:#FA0"> CASSIOPEIA</b>(<b style="#0000FF">talk</b>) 13:03, 26 May 2019 (UTC)


 * Looking at my archives, it seems the article was originally created by as User:Carole611, but I had to delete it as a copyvio; I then rewrote it as a short draft that I hoped would be improved, but it looks like the user has been and gone. Given that the draft had not been submitted for review, cited several sources, and had an opening edit summary of "user request", I think  was a bit hasty on the delete button. It looks like I pinged  for help but either she couldn't find any other sources or didn't have time to look at it. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk)  <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  09:36, 28 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi Ritchie! I did miss that somehow. :P Megalibrarygirl (talk) 17:38, 29 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Hi Ritchie333. Please take a moment to familiarize yourself with WP:CSD; drafts don't have to be submitted to AfC to qualify for G13 -  F ASTILY   09:44, 28 May 2019 (UTC)
 * I know what G13 is, but it does not say "any draft not edited for six months must be nuked from orbit immediately without hesitation". You may be interested in reading this. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  09:51, 28 May 2019 (UTC)


 * Ritchie333 and . Good day. Hi Ritchie, I do tag "postpone G 13" if I find the article worth saving/potential notable to lead to be an article in mainspace. I tagged your draft page CSD#13 as per the guidelines, if draf not been edited by a human in six months found in draft space, an editor could tag the draft page with CSD#13. I want to make sure I do the right thing, so pls advise if my understanding is incorrect, or if I have missed anything which I am not aware of. Thanks in advance. Cheers.<b style="font-family:Georgia;font-size:80%;color:#FA0"> CASSIOPEIA</b>(<b style="#0000FF">talk</b>) 14:12, 28 May 2019 (UTC)


 * In this specific instance, I felt that there was potential to improve the draft, as a news search gives several hits. Also, in this instance, it was trivial to refund the G13 (even if I wasn't an admin, I am confident I could get it back at WP:REFUND), so ultimately there's no real harm done. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  11:01, 29 May 2019 (UTC)

Teh deadline
Don't be too sad, there were than the deadline. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:37, 29 May 2019 (UTC)
 * What, like thanking someone for harassment? Yes, you're right, that's a massive problem.   Cassianto Talk  19:00, 29 May 2019 (UTC)
 * (ec) I am sorry you can only see it that way. You lost the good faith glasses, it seems. I saw someone giving you a barnstar, - how should I have known you considered that harassment? - Did you know that I didn't add the unspeakable to an article I didn't improve, thinking of you not being able to protest while you were away. Love's labour's lost? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:08, 29 May 2019 (UTC)
 * I'm not falling for the faux, pigeon-English attempt to bewilder me into a non-response, Gerda. You knew what you were doing, you were thanking someone who you knew was harassing me. I suspect you even had something to do with this, off wiki, of course.   Cassianto Talk  19:22, 29 May 2019 (UTC)
 * No, I did not know someone was harassing you. No, I had nothing to to with your link. You overestimate my offwiki activities. What I do offwiki is singing, traveling, going to the opera. No, I do not stir shit. Yes, I dislike that you assume I spend any time on that (whatever you mean when you put that in writing). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:37, 29 May 2019 (UTC)


 * How can you "not know"? It's been at ANI (which you watch), my talk page (which you watch) TonyBallioni's talk (which you watch), now Ritchie's talk (which you watch). You must think I've arrived on the last banana boat from Brazil.    Cassianto Talk  19:45, 29 May 2019 (UTC)
 * If we're talking about The Duke of Nonsense, I don't think he was deliberately trying to harass Cassianto, he just ended up doing so inadvertently because he's a bit naive and wet behind the ears. If we're talking about the IP depositing themselves on Cass' talk page and elsewhere, they are a really nasty piece of work and should be advised not to let the door hit them on the way out. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  19:42, 29 May 2019 (UTC)
 * I can "not know". Yes, I watch all these pages, but I don't jump every time something changes. ANI espcially. I don't remember if I looked at ANI in all of May, I doubt it pretty much. It's usually not productive to spend time there. I hardly get around writing what I want to, - no time for looks at talk pages pages. This morning I promised to source the compositions by Rolf Riehm, - nothing yet. - I saw only your talk, Cassianto, where a cake arrived, and then the edit I thanked for, and it read sincere to me. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:56, 29 May 2019 (UTC)
 * If you watchlist ANI, take it off. There is no possible reason you would need to watch every thread on there, unless you were a complete masochist. Anyway, Gerda is here to improve the encyclopedia and it shows with the numerous DYKs that turn up on the main page. I release she does inadvertently irritate people, but - heck - so do I. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  20:24, 29 May 2019 (UTC)
 * The problem about not watching ANI is that you may miss when a friend is in trouble. - I managed to source the many recordings! So proud, did nothing else between the last post here and now. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:14, 29 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Cassianto, in simple English: I'd like to see the infobox wars end before I die. What can we do? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:07, 30 May 2019 (UTC)
 * "What can we do?" That's easy. Stop caring about whether an article has an infobox or not. The first rule of infoboxes is you do not talk about infoboxes. The second rule of infoboxes is you DO NOT talk about infoboxes. Cullen328 had it exactly right here. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  10:16, 30 May 2019 (UTC)


 * I'm reading a book on the Piccadilly line and refreshing my memory that the Spice Girls, at the start of their career, all professed to vote Conservative and called Margaret Thatcher "the first spice girl". I find both of these illuminating in their own ways. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  19:02, 29 May 2019 (UTC)
 * You find Maggie Thatcher and the Tories illuminating? Has someone got hold of your log in details?  Cassianto Talk  19:24, 29 May 2019 (UTC)
 * No, the "illuminating" bit is people are talking about the Spice Girls again on social media, completely forgetting they're Thatcher-supporting Tories. They seem to keep that bit quiet in interviews these days. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  19:26, 29 May 2019 (UTC)
 * It's no secret that in this day and age, it is a cardinal sin to even hint that you're on the right of politics. It's also no secret that the media is run by leftist junkies, nowadays, so presumably it's better for them to keep their mouth shut and earn a few quid before they disappear back to oblivion, which they inevitably will.  Cassianto Talk  19:51, 29 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Now now Ritchie, don't tar them all with the same brush. I think the "Thatcher was the first Spice Girl" stuff mainly came from Geri. I'm sure at least one of the others (Sporty maybe?) was/is a Labour supporter.-- Pawnkingthree (talk) 19:58, 29 May 2019 (UTC)
 * I think we will have to agree to disagree about the media; the best selling newspapers are still The Sun and The Daily Mail and there can be no doubt whatsoever over their political leanings. Melanie C comes from Widnes so is indeed possibly Labour leaning though bits of rural Cheshire are the places you can put a blue rosette on a tub of lard and it will get elected. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  20:03, 29 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Well, The Daily Mail now has a left-leaning editor, remember, and already I can see that bleeding through into its pages. Granted, The Sun is still very much on the right, but I imagine that'll change in the not-so distant future. The Sun is virtually solitary in its political leanings and is heavily dwarfed by the rest of Fleet Street which is very much a Trump-hating, Brexit-loathing, anti-capitalist, hessian-wearing, fair trade coffee drinking, roasted tofu loving community of news hacks.  Cassianto Talk  20:22, 29 May 2019 (UTC)
 * One can dream! El_C 20:24, 29 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Today's Daily Mail headline - "Putting Boris in the dock isn't just dotty. It's a deeply sinister attack on our freedoms." If defending Boris Johnson isn't right-wing, I don't know what is. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)
 * It's no longer about being Left or Right, it's more about Leave and Remain, now, which is why they are defending Boris. It's possible to be left-wing and a leaver, such is the direction I believe the DM are heading in; Claire Fox or any Bennite will tell you that.  Cassianto Talk  11:14, 30 May 2019 (UTC)
 * I think a much better example of a left-wing leaver is Dennis Skinner. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  11:18, 30 May 2019 (UTC)


 * Oi! less of the "tub of lard", if you don't mind, dearie. We'll all fashionable lefty Lib Dems, up here, thank you. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:25, 29 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Talking of Tub of Lard and rosettes, albeit red ones, you'll remember the infamous episode of Have I Got News For You when they replaced Roy Hattersley with a tub of lard. I very much used to enjoy that programme and made a point of being in on a Friday night just to watch it.  But it's become too political and too much of a mouthpiece for the hard left, which has knocked the comedy out of it. I don't think it's been funny since Angus, unfortunately.    Cassianto Talk  20:30, 29 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Ah yes, the Good Old Days... yes, it's enough to make you spit, isn't it. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:38, 29 May 2019 (UTC)
 * I haven't watched HIGNFY with any regularity since Angus was kicked out; the quality of the guest presenters is too variable and when they put Anne Widdecombe in the chairman's seat I think they'd finally jumped the shark. Still, I don't think HIGNFY is particularly fawning over Jeremy Corbyn these days (who is?) and I'm sure I've made the joke before that there's a documentary about Diane Abbott on BBC4? No, BBC3? Hang on, BBC7? No, wait, BBC19! Yes, it's on BBC19! <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  20:40, 29 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Good god, chez LBC. That was horrendous. Worse, even, than the grilling of Natalie Bennett a few years ago. Excruciating. And then there was Angela Rayner and class sizes!    Cassianto Talk  21:01, 29 May 2019 (UTC)
 * This year, it seems, Panto Season has come early. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:46, 29 May 2019 (UTC)
 * If you follow Martin Baxter's "Electoral Calculus" blog, you'll know he recently wrote that if the same proportion of votes for the recent EU elections were repeated in a general election, then the Brexit Party would have 458 seats and Nigel Farage would be prime minister. I find that rather terrifying. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  20:53, 29 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Well Captain Threesie, it's life... but not as we know it.... MartinSpockBones123 (talk) 21:04, 29 May 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Green Street, Mayfair
&mdash; Amakuru (talk) 00:01, 30 May 2019 (UTC)

Another nice one. Can I perhaps sometimes ask you for help with hooks? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:09, 30 May 2019 (UTC)


 * You can, but if you want a good hook, you can't do much better than, from which we had such memorable delights as Template:Did you know nominations/Dr. Young's Ideal Rectal Dilators, Template:Did you know nominations/Vaginal steaming, Template:Did you know nominations/Macadamia nuts controversy, Template:Did you know nominations/A719 road and Template:Did you know nominations/Queen Elizabeth II (painting). <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  10:14, 30 May 2019 (UTC)
 * I live to serve. <b style="color: red;">E</b><b style="color: blue;">Eng</b> 12:05, 30 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Quarter-pounder with fries, thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:12, 30 May 2019 (UTC)
 * ....and we're back to Thurrock services again. What is it with that place? <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  13:20, 30 May 2019 (UTC)
 * Britain's "most hated", it seems. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:25, 30 May 2019 (UTC)
 * EEng is a bad influence. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  16:26, 30 May 2019 (UTC)
 * I'd like to apologise unreservedly to User:EEng for suggesting that he is, or ever has been, Britain's most hated person or even Britain's most hated Wikipedia editor. (And good luck with that Mexican wall thing). -- Bobby Mueller 123 (talk) 17:37, 30 May 2019 (UTC)

Request For an EXTREMELY Little-Known Rock Album to Have Creation
Good evening Ritchie333,

Hundreds of years ago, a punk rock ensemble group named Subject to Change consisting of leading vocalist Cree Summer (yes the voice behind Susie Carmichael in Rugrats and Elmyra Duff in Tiny Toon Adventures/Pinky Elmyra and the Brain) bassist Oneida Jones keyboardist Carl Young and guitarist Greg Bell had released an album titled Womb Amnesia. Sadly, this was the only one they had premiered.

Unlike Street Faerie the solo album she premiered 20 summers ago on April 20, 1999 none of the fourteen songs were released as singles. Additionally the full player clocks at 66 plus minutes due to the penultimate track Only Color running at 10 minutes and six seconds long.

Like I said to L239D back in January "Even though it is too little to have its own page it will happen one day." Whatever you do please please PLEASE do not deny this request.

Lights out,

67.81.163.178 (talk) 02:29, 25 May 2019 (UTC)


 * The article already exists at Subject to Change (band). Maybe has got sources to expand it. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk)  <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  09:50, 28 May 2019 (UTC)
 * There are very few sources, but have tracked down some. Not sure i can expand, but can at least back some of the claims. ps, thanks OP - the band are great! Ceoil  (talk) 13:55, 2 June 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Barbie the Welder
&mdash; Amakuru (talk) 00:02, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

Ani
There is currently a discussion at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. --Op47 (talk) 16:16, 31 May 2019 (UTC)
 * The thread had been and gone by the time I looked at it, but in a nutshell I was annoyed that after I spent a considerable amount of time improving the article, somebody else came along and slapped a tag on it. See DavidCane's thread below for a better way of getting articles improved. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  10:35, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

M25 GAN - Not a review, but some comments
Ritchie,

I noticed that you've nominated M25 motorway for good article. I thought I would have a look as I've not visited it for a while: --DavidCane (talk) 00:46, 3 June 2019 (UTC)
 * The first thing I noticed is that File:M25 works.png in the description section needs updating. It was created in November 2009 and was last revised in November 2010. The Managed Motorway section between junctions 5 and 7 and junctions 23 and 27 are shown as planned, but, as stated in the "Design, Build, Finance and Operate (DBFO) contract" section, have been operational since 2014. The widening at Thurrock is shown as underway, but was completed in 2016.
 * The second paragraph of the "Route" section and the fourth paragraph of the "Traffic section" calls the Dart Charge a congestion charge. Whilst it uses the same logo as the London Congestion Charge, it is not a congestion charge as such - the Dartford Crossing article which you previously took through GAN deals with the reasons it is called a charge rather than a toll. It would be better to like to road pricing rather than congestion charge.
 * In the second paragraph of the "Route" section: "This stretch is not under motorway regulations" is correct, but poorly worded. The A282 is not part of the M25, so shouldn't be included as "this stretch". Suggest rewording this to something like "London's orbital route is completed by the A282 classified as an all purpose road"
 * The third paragraph of the "Route" section mentions the four-level junction of the M23/M25. There is a picture of this which might be appropriate to use: File:M23-M25 Intersection - geograph.org.uk - 15455.jpg.
 * The third paragraph of "Route" includes Hever Castle as being among the several grand houses which the M25 is "close to" on the south section. Whilst the other three listed are close by, Hever Castle is over 6 miles from the M25. The choices of nearby features seems incomplete. For example, Chiltern Open Air Museum, Brooklands Museum, RHS Wisley, Thorpe Park, Chessington World of Adventures, Polesden Lacey, Lullingstone Castle are all within about 3 miles of the M25.
 * Is it really possible to see Windsor Castle from the M25? The source from the independent describes viewing when walking from the Heathrow Terminal 5 car park which is a multi-storey structure. A view from the M25 itself seems to be blocked by the Wraysbury Reservoir, trees, embankments and buildings.
 * The "Features" section talks about "Further widening is in progress of minor sections with plans for managed motorways in many others." The source for this is six years old and the M25 works described therein have been completed. Are there any current plans for works to the motorway? "Managed motorways" are now called "Smart Motorways".
 * The fourth paragraph of "Traffic" on the Dartford Crossing with its mentions of Lower Thames Crossing and Woolwich Ferry seems out of place. None of these are part of the M25 per se.
 * Ref 10 is broken.


 * Hi David. Basically it's been on my "todo list" to improve this for some time, particularly as I notice it's in the "top articles to improve to GA" in WikiProject London Transport, and having got hold of Wayne Asher's book, which has several chapters detailing a reasonably comprehensive history of the M25, I thought now was the time to give it a go. Anyway, I agree with most of your points here and have fixed the article to address them, with just a couple of other issues to add in response.
 * As I tend to avoid the M25 like the plague, I don't really know what roadworks are going on there at the moment, and just assume that something is happening, because it always is. I'll have to have a look around and see if any of the more recent updates have got sources showing completion or further updates.
 * As mentioned in the Dartford Crossing article, while it's not technically part of the M25, many sources assume it de facto is. The alternative Thames crossings, from reading up on sources seem to be designed to avoid the M25 corridor generally, rather than Dartford specifically.
 * I'm not sure of the difference between Managed Motorways, Smart Motorways and Pathetic Motorways, so I'll take your word for that.
 * What's listed as the local sights comes straight from sources; anything here has to be cited to one, otherwise we'll all be playing a game of "my list of M25 sights is better than yours".
 * While you're here, I've set up a mini-project to make the Victoria line a good topic. I believe has suggested a very long-term aim of getting every single tube station to GA or above; which is more of a ten-year plan. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk)  <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  10:54, 3 June 2019 (UTC)

" A10 only applies in mainspace"
Uh, "Leslie Feinberg/pronouns" is in mainspace.

(But not reinstating for now as its purpose has since been clarified ... but it might end up being deleted anyway.) — Smjg (talk) 00:09, 6 June 2019 (UTC)

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The Longest Day
It finally happened: I totally turned into my parents, and watched The Longest Day with Liam last night. He's six, so not all his commentary was a propos (for instance, he asked if this happened when Alabama was still racist...), but it was an interesting experience. Drmies (talk) 15:32, 7 June 2019 (UTC)
 * (On a different but related tip: what do you think of the name User:Daddy no?)
 * Are you planning on changing your username then? At some point soon I need to sit down with my kids and watch Monty Python and the Holy Grail, it's essential viewing for any teenager. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  15:40, 7 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Ha, I did that with the older ones. We've been cracking swallow and favorite color jokes for years--do it quick, it's well worth it. (No, that's a name that was just registered, and I find it problematic.) Drmies (talk) 15:47, 7 June 2019 (UTC)
 * On occasion when my kids have been arguing with each other, I have turned up, said "I'm sorry, is this a five minute argument or the full half hour?" and play a YouTube clip of Argument clinic, which makes them realise that squabbling over minor details in pointless. Now, if I could do that to a whole bunch of ANI threads.... anyway, about the user, whose only edit is this, it could be a parody on Dr No, or someone's initials NO, or probably some other reasons. Unless they start to cause trouble, I'd leave them be. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk)  <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  15:54, 7 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Neither of you will be surprised to learn that I toyed with Jelly-stoned Daddy Bear as a Username at one stage, but figured it might have unintended connotations. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:07, 7 June 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Lees of Scotland
&mdash; Amakuru (talk) 00:02, 4 June 2019 (UTC) That's a good one, thank you, and sweet! Did you know that infobox opera was an experiment, in 2013, and reviewed as successful in 2018? "" --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:03, 4 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Operas have infoboxes now? And even Beethoven has one? I never thought this day would come! &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 11:19, 4 June 2019 (UTC)
 * The "operas have infoboxes"-day came in 2013, and feel free to guess how many there are (or look it up). - Beethoven - which I designed during the arb case (it's in the workshop, so also in 2013) - was by the arb who wrote that case, as the discussed community consensus, - my greatest personal success on Wikipedia to date ;) - But there are some out who still think infobox is a dirty word which I should avoid, and it strikes me as a bit anachronistic. - Look: during the past week, infoboxes came and went for Mahler, Rossini and Grant, and nobody edit-warred or screamed ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:38, 4 June 2019 (UTC)

Nice stats also ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:04, 7 June 2019 (UTC)

ITN recognition for Philomena Lynott
Stephen 01:22, 13 June 2019 (UTC)

Fairground goldfish, anyone?
Missing all the fun? Poor Fram, must feel like he's been won at the local fair. But it seems WMF have got more than they bargained for now that it's feeding time at Wiki. As good ol' Billy told us, back in 1973.... "I'm so tired of being around, people that don't know their a** from a hole in the ground." (figuratively speaking, of course). Martinevans123 (talk) 21:58, 12 June 2019 (UTC)
 * ... a time sink? ... ah no, don’t put him in the sink!! Martinevans123 (talk) 08:37, 13 June 2019 (UTC)

DYK for Moseley Park
&mdash; Amakuru (talk) 00:02, 17 June 2019 (UTC)

revdel?
I don't *think* revdel is needed too, but I'm curious what you think. He's a big boy and posted it himself.... --Floquenbeam (talk) 16:14, 17 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Putting phone numbers on-wiki is generally a bad idea since everyone can see them. To give an exaggerated example, I could phone the number up, say "Hi, I'm Floquenbeam and Iridescent, we're actually sockpuppets of each other but because Bbb23 is our friend we don't get checkusered, by the way I'd just like to let you know that [insert list of blatant lies here]..." On the other hand, the number presumably locates to an office switchboard with a receptionist who can field cranks and loonies, and just quietly redacting it without revdel / oversight does reduce the Streisand effect a bit. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  16:20, 17 June 2019 (UTC)

Question on a page that keeps getting recreated
Hey, I noticed you just deleted Anila Ali. It must be on my watchlist because I PROD'd it a few weeks back. If memory serves it has been recreated several times since then. Is there a process to prevent a page from being recreated in situations like this? Thanks! Marquardtika (talk) 17:48, 17 June 2019 (UTC)
 * It's called "salting" (as in "salting the earth"). I took care of it. -- Orange Mike &#124;  Talk  18:03, 17 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Good to know--thanks! Marquardtika (talk) 18:07, 17 June 2019 (UTC)

AfC and a little help
I've been helping out User talk:Jones1901 with an article Draft:The Vic-Wells Association which is stuck in a backlog, I do hope I can get her involved in the London group, ClemRutter (talk) 16:14, 18 June 2019 (UTC)
 * I got your ping, accepted the draft and added a few sources. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  16:20, 18 June 2019 (UTC)

Air Loyauté
How does A7 not apply. Aren't airlines companies? The only exception (which I learned long ago) is educational institutions. Thanks.  Onel 5969  <i style="color:blue">TT me</i> 18:39, 19 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Well it's not like anyone can just set up an airline on a shoestring budget, so there's not many of them around. Therefore, I assume sources may be available for it, and we should have a look for them. If Air Loyauté was a kebab shop, it probably would be an A7. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  18:50, 19 June 2019 (UTC)