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My citations on Haroun al Rashid
The book was from a library and I read it long back that's why I didn't know a lot about the details of the book. Could you please remove the 1st picture on your user page(it's a bit disturbing because of the word in it). Amaan.S (talk) 11:52, 31 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Yo can't just cite an apparently random title without giving readers and other editors any chance to identify the book or the page cited, and without explaining how it justifies the assertion in the article. And I'm sorry you are disturbed by my anti-fascist image. If it bothers you that much, don't look at it again. RolandR (talk) 11:57, 31 January 2020 (UTC)
 * It's a very inflammatory comic. The problem isn't just with the specific highly aggressive words as User:Amaan0123 points out, but with the comic & caption itself. It makes a pretty controversial (to say the least) equivocation between Nazis & Jews that really doesn't have any place in a collaborative encyclopedia, especially considering that it flagrantly goes against WP:POLEMIC and at the very least the principles embodied in WP:ARBPIA4. Please remove it. It's unnecessary and contributes nothing to the encyclopedia; likewise with your anti-zionist userbox. Chess (talk) Ping when replying 02:17, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Apparently this problem has been brought to your attention before by others in the past and you've been sanctioned already by User:Sandstein with respect to provocative images. I'm going to ask for WP:AE. Chess (talk) Ping when replying 02:35, 18 February 2020 (UTC)

It explicitly does not compare Jews to Nazis. It rejects Nazis who claim to speak for Palestinian rights. And no, I have not been sanctioned by Sandstein for the use of these, or other, images. RolandR (talk) 09:05, 18 February 2020 (UTC)

Whatever the case may be, there are people on Wikipedia who do not prefer such abusive wordsAmaan.S (talk) 21:46, 19 February 2020 (UTC)

Discussion at Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement
I've opened an arbitration enforcement request relating to you at Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement. Chess (talk) Ping when replying 03:14, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
 * I have closed the request. The result is that the request is not actionable. Seraphimblade Talk to me 19:05, 21 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you for letting me know. RolandR (talk) 19:50, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

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Anti-Judaism
Hi, I can see that you are an experienced editor, both in term of duration and quantity. Can I mention WP:SUMMARYNO ‘Avoid vagueness’ (in edit summaries) and WP:REVEXP ‘Edit summaries, always a good practice, are particularly important when reverting. Provide a valid and informative explanation including, if possible, a link to the Wikipedia principle you believe justifies the reversion.’ Obviously, there are good reasons for these policies: for example, they save everyone time and reduce edit warring. I mention these policies as it seems to me that you have not followed them sufficiently well in this instance. In your reversion of my edit, you have said merely that the article should be in the category, whereas I have explained exactly why I think it should not be. As your “main area of knowledge and interest is…Jewish matters” you presumably have some specific reasons for rejecting my assertions that “Anti-Judaism” concerns criticism of the religion and Atzmon has said that he does not criticize the religion and that, therefore, the article should not be in Anti-Judaism. I should add that he has said this several times, in interviews and print, and I do not see attacks by him on the religion in the article. He says that “Jewishness is the belief that the Jews are somehow special, chosen, privileged and should enjoy and celebrate their privilege. Not all Jews subscribe to this idea, but many of them do.” This and other aspects of Jewish political culture which he critiques may well have religious roots but is not reliant on religious belief. His critique is thus not limited to Zionism, but surely that does not mean he has to be put in an inappropriate anti-religious category, simply because there is not a better one. Will you tell me why you think the category is appropriate for the article? Thank you. Jontel (talk) 13:08, 25 June 2020 (UTC)

Moreover, the full definition from its article seems to be that Anti-Judaism is limited to those with alternative religious beliefs, which is not true of Atzmon, who is an atheist. 'Anti-Judaism is the "total or partial opposition to Judaism as a religion—and the total or partial opposition to Jews as adherents of it—by persons who accept a competing system of beliefs and practices and consider certain genuine Judaic beliefs and practices inferior."[1]' Jontel (talk) 13:42, 25 June 2020 (UTC)

I note that you reverted my edit within three minutes of it being made, so not a lot of time for reflection and research. Perhaps, after further consideration of the issue, you could just self-revert. Jontel (talk) 07:45, 27 June 2020 (UTC)

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Hi there! I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. Recently, you [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?oldid=964823006&diff=prev reverted] my fix to Leninism.

If you did this because the references should be removed from the article, you have misunderstood the situation. Most likely, the article originally contained both  and one or more   referring to it. Someone then removed the  but left the , which results in a big red error in the article. I replaced one of the remaining  with a copy of the  ; I did not re-insert the reference to where it was deleted, I just replaced one of the remaining instances. What you need to do to fix it is to make sure you remove all instances of the named reference so as to not leave any big red error.

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Why undo edit
my edits on the human implant page point out that the study incorrectly states that data storage and security of that data is impossible both are incorrect. I currently have a flex df2 implant in my hand that contains 8kb of storage I can use to my liking this is also protected by an aes key to provide security. Can you please bother to look at the information before reverting changes you simply don't agree with? Devilclarke (talk) 00:05, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Your own original research is not acceptable evidence, particularly when it contradicts the reliable sources cited in the article. If you wish to discuss this further, please do so at the article talk page and not here. RolandR (talk) 00:43, 25 July 2020 (UTC)

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Where are you?
I am back, my friend. And wish you שנה טובה! Look forward to working together to rid the world of bigotry and Capitalism. ابو علي (Abu Ali) (talk) 06:34, 20 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Welcome back, after too long an absence. Thank you for the greeting; שנה מתוקה to you too. I hope to continue to collaborate with you where we agree, and to disagree constructively and comradely where we have different views. RolandR (talk) 09:27, 20 September 2020 (UTC)

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Anti-Semitism / antisemitism
"Repeatedly and exhaustively discussed" ? Reviewing WP's actual content, it is very, very mixed on this question, as is real-world content, and WP:MOS says nothing about the matter anywhere. Nor has there ever been an RfC on this question at WT:MOS or similar venues (though I see many short discussions, usually with input from 3–10 editors, and with no formal WP:CLOSEs). The ADL uses "anti-Semit[ism|itic|ite]", though not with 100% conformity. I make antisem* to anti-Sem* changes frequently, and this is the first time I recall being reverted on it, much less with such dismissive "certainty". The reason I make this change is that Semite is a proper noun, and WP, like most publishers, capitalizes proper names in derived (e.g. adjectival and combining-form) usage, except in usual cases (typically when the term is idiom that has lost all connection to its original context, e.g. "their platonic relationship", "complaints of draconian policies at their workplace"). Because this is a frequently used proper name (usually in derivational forms), switching to fused-compound lower-case usage produces jarring results, e.g. "Semitic peoples ... antisemites" within a few clauses or sentences of each other. Finally, because it is a proper name, lower-casing it is to be offensive to some subset of readers, for no actual encyclopedic clarity gain (actually a loss in that regard), while writing "anti-Semite" is offensive to no one, ever, just is not the exact preference of some unusually anti-hyphen people. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  19:47, 30 November 2020 (UTC)

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Zerotalk 21:15, 30 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Zero, I trump your article with this. RolandR (talk) 23:58, 30 November 2020 (UTC)


 * As many of us have written in the several relevant discussions, the hyphenated form is linguistically incorrect, historically inaccurate, and personally offensive. I do not appreciate your sudden hostile and peremptory intervention, without having taken part in any of the previous discussions. There is no cause to alter long-standing content and introduce an inappropriate hyphen, and I give notice that I will revert any such pointy edits that you make. RolandR (talk) 22:50, 30 November 2020 (UTC)
 * See the comprehensive discussions here and here. RolandR (talk) 23:39, 30 November 2020 (UTC)
 * And by the way, despite the claim above that the ADL uses the hyphenated form, on their website they state unequivocally that "ADL has adopted the spelling of “antisemitism” instead of “anti-Semitism.” After reviewing the history and consulting with other leading experts, we’ve determined that this is the best way to refer to hatred toward Jews". RolandR (talk) 23:44, 30 November 2020 (UTC)

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Your revert
Hey, I saw you reverted my request on requests for arbitration enforcement and thought it might be helpful to talk directly. My understanding was that administrators could put restrictions on individual pages under discussion, and that this was the place to request page restrictions. Benevolent human (talk) 01:34, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
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The elevating quality of the Carlos Latuff quote on your user page is diminished considerably when one realizes that a large number of people consider Carlos Latuff himself to be a bigoted hater of Jews -- even the UK Guardian newspaper:. No one has ever been able to offer me any valid reason for the presence of side-curls in File:Cry-wolf.png other than Latuff's personal hatred of the Jewish religion, and that's one of the more moderate examples... AnonMoos (talk) 01:13, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
 * The cartoon is unambiguously anti-fascist, and does not purport to represent a Jew. I am not impressed that "a large number of people" consider Latuff to be an antisemite - 75 million people voted for Donald Trump, but numbers alone do not make them right. RolandR (talk) 01:34, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

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hello you revert my edit [] can i edit this page if i edit more than 500? Ax777 (talk) 14:16, 19 March 2021 (UTC)
 * You must have held an account for more than thirty days (which you have), and to have made 500 edits, before you are allowed to edit anything related to the Palestine-Israel conflict. But don't think that you can just make scores of nonsense edits in order to achieve this requirement. Any suspicion that you are gaming the system in order to bypass the purpose of this is likely to result in sanctions against you; they should all be genuine (though not necessarily large) edits. RolandR (talk) 17:57, 19 March 2021 (UTC)

Offensive profile
Hello, nobody needs to know that you are part of an Arab nationalist campaign and that therefore you have a bias. It is also completely not appropriate to deny the antisemitism of the Palestinian movement and of its terror groups, and I hope you can put a message condemning the antisemitc comments of Husseini and of Palestinian group's leaders. I won't give you blank check to whitewash history, and stand by like a judenrat. No Jews has to feel offended on Wikipedia by any propaganda. I don't talk about jewhatred on my profile, nobody does. Check yourself twice. Thank you for your understanding. --Vanlister (talk) 18:58, 19 March 2021 (UTC)
 * I am Jewish, and I am offended by your personal smears and insinuations. If you are serious about your assertion that "no Jew should feel offended by propaganda on Wikipedia", then you will revert your offensive edit. Thank you. RolandR (talk) 19:08, 19 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Please keep your Jewish origins low profile in your activism, especially if you are refusing to condemn anti-Semitism everywhere. Simply don't make comments about it, it is offensive. Jewish hatred isn't a legit debate on this platform. Yes no-one should be offended so keep your propaganda to yourself, thank you for being empathetic. ( If you don't understand : giving your opinion on anti-Semitism is offensive, especially when you promote groups with an anti-jewish background at the same time)

Quoting you : those racist Jews. --Vanlister (talk) 19:17, 19 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes, I oppose racist Jews and racist non-Jews. Do you have a problem with that? RolandR (talk) 20:18, 19 March 2021 (UTC)
 * no stop stigmatising Jews, and Jews do not deserve to be exposed to it. Jews aren't racists, there is no need to accuse Jews of racism or to put any emphasis against them. Just stop your behaviour, you are being disrespectful. nobody cares about your activism or your opinions on " racist Jews". Let my people live meshugene.

Those Jews--Vanlister (talk) 20:46, 19 March 2021 (UTC)

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WP:ONUS is clear, if additions are reverted make a case at talk, do not re-add them.Slatersteven (talk) 11:30, 6 April 2021 (UTC)

I assume that this comment is directed at the person whose comment I removed and not at me, since I have not re-added anything. RolandR (talk) 15:13, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
 * This [] re-added content a user had objected to.Slatersteven (talk) 17:20, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes, sorry. I thought you were referring to the same editor's actions on Political positions of Noam Chomsky. When I realised my mistake, I tried to remove my edit above, but at the time there was a problem with Talk which resulted in all edits blanking the page (see this page's history). I have now made a case at the appropriate article talk page. RolandR (talk) 17:23, 6 April 2021 (UTC)

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Books & Bytes – Issue 48
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 * 1Lib1Ref 2022
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Books & Bytes – Issue 49
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Issue 49, January – February 2022 <div style = "margin-top: 1.5em; border: 3px solid #ae8c55; border-radius: .5em; padding: 1em 1.5em; font-size: 1.2em">
 * New library collections
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