User talk:Sergecross73/Archive 19

Kristeen Young
Hello Serge, I would need your help to protect this article where there was a huge wp:vandalism from an anonymous ip on 21 May at 3:36. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kristeen_Young&action=edit&undoafter=609473384&undo=609477251. Several sources proving that this singer has collaborated with famous acts/producers such as David Bowie, Dave Grohl, Morrissey, Brian Molko or Tony Visconti, plus a picture, have been erased: this was clearly a lame attempt from a singer's detractor. Woovee (talk) 16:44, 26 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Hi Woovee. I do support your edit, and agree the IP's edit was bad, but protection is usually saved for when repeated problems. This only happened once recentl, correct? Let's wait and see if they even come back again first... Sergecross73   msg me   22:56, 26 May 2014 (UTC)
 * New episode, there was a second vandalism from an ip today https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kristeen_Young&diff=610359980&oldid=610233099 A few detractors want to attack her image apparently. I took a look at the history of the article and found out that the same kind of information had already been reverted in the past from an anonymous ip (the tone of the comment here is agressive) https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Kristeen_Young&diff=424012829&oldid=424012648 It seems that every detail concerning her collaborations with prestigious acts (Bowie, Morrissey, Tony Visconti) is each time put out on purpose. Woovee (talk) 16:41, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

Request for comment
Hello there, a proposal regarding pre-adminship review has been raised at Village pump by. Your comments here is very much appreciated. Many thanks. Jim Carter through MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 06:46, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

Sega-16
Since you are an Admin and clearly a Sega fan I wanted to ask how come Sega-16 is not on the list of recognized secondary references?--Cube b3 (talk) 05:56, 5 June 2014 (UTC)
 * It's actually being discussed currently at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Video_games#Sega-16.com - I told them to join in the discussion that you made, which is actually the right place, but you can read at the link for some background information. Sergecross73   msg me   10:53, 5 June 2014 (UTC)

Punch-Out!!
I was wondering if you could help ensure that the eventual consensus (whatever it may be) is fulfilled. Niemti seems to have indicated that he won't acknowledge the discussion unless it's done through AfD. Right now I'm trying to keep it open so any consensus formed is definitive, but I just want to be able to make sure that Niemti does not just simply revert any merging. - New Age Retro Hippie (talk) (contributions) 10:11, 6 June 2014 (UTC)
 * If consensus is reached to merge, then I'll be sure to enforce that consensus for you. (Though I may need your help to notify me of people like Niemti going against the consensus. They're not something I normally monitor/maintain and my time for randomly patrolling the project has been less lately.) Sergecross73   msg me   16:21, 6 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Okay, thank you. - New Age Retro Hippie (talk) (contributions) 20:04, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

Fireball24fire again
As a continuation of this discussion that was archived, Fireball24fire is trying to force decorative Non-Free images into articles again, despite the last warning I gave. The screenshot in question is. First it was used in Mario Kart to show "time trials", but it's an extremely poor representation of the mode. Then he switched its use to Lakitu, to show the character. The image is still bad because the character is barely in the image, let alone the focus. Then he tried using it in Time limit (video gaming). Again, poor choice. It's obvious he doesn't care if the images he uploads are actually useful. Would you mind assisting? --ThomasO1989 (talk) 16:34, 19 May 2014 (UTC)
 * I agree. I gave him a warning. Let me know if he doesn't stop. I can give him a final warning, and then after that a block, if he won't at least discuss... Sergecross73   msg me   01:50, 20 May 2014 (UTC)
 * When the image was nominated for deletion as it was orphaned, he reverted my edit and tried to put the screenshot back into Lakitu again. He undid the nomination for deletion for the following reason: "It stays because Lakitu is a perfect spot for this because he is the Mario Kart referee." I have reverted his edits and re-nominated the image. --ThomasO1989 (talk) 15:31, 21 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Was it like removing a PROD, where it is acceptable to remove? Or like an AFD tag, where they aren't supposed to be removed? I agree with you, and will give him a final warning, though I'd feel better about blocking him next time if there were a recent discussion that he was overtly ignoring... (It seems like much of it lately is just through edit summaries. Sergecross73   msg me   17:25, 21 May 2014 (UTC)
 * He's at it again. With this particular image, he uploaded a new version that didn't need to be uploaded. What's even worse is this is a repeat of what he did earlier (updating with a Mario Kart 8 image simply because it's available), and I explicitly mentioned back in March that it was a bad image and he should stop. --ThomasO1989 (talk) 15:13, 1 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Gave him a final warning. I'm torn with him. He's not being that bad, but he's also making no effort to change... Sergecross73   msg me   16:12, 1 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Another useless, decorative image. It's basically a copy of the other image I linked above. --ThomasO1989 (talk) 03:57, 3 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Heads up-- this user is likely a sock puppet of Fireball24fire. This user stopped editing around the same time Fireball started editing again on May 12 (only minutes apart from each other), following a 2 month absence. This user re-added this bad screenshot uploaded by Fireball to Lakitu. --ThomasO1989 (talk) 19:01, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

Agreed, only he would think that's a good image of Lakitu. Blocked. Sergecross73  msg me   19:12, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

Signature
Hello! I wanted to let you know that your signature is in violation of policy because it uses the deprecated "font" tag. I have made you a visually identical signature using the acceptable "span" tag: Which yields:

Sergecross73  msg me

-- Amaryllis Gardener  talk 18:48, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
 * * crickets chirping* -- Amaryllis Gardener  talk 17:10, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I've mostly been editing from a mobile phone lately, and figured it I'd implement this when back on a computer. It's not that pressing, is it? Sergecross73   msg me   17:28, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
 * No need to hurry, I was just afraid you had forgotten about it, since I saw you answering others here on your talk page. -- Amaryllis Gardener  talk 17:30, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Okay, I think its been switched and fixed, FYI, . Sergecross73   msg me  02:18, 11 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Looks good now. Thanks! -- Amaryllis Gardener  talk 02:48, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

Duplicate articles
FYI Acoustic Sessions (Shinedown EP) Cheers. In ictu oculi (talk) 05:25, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

edit warring on an article
This article on Siouxsie and the Banshees needs to be locked at this version. One recent contribution has been reverted by three different users 1 2 3 and yet, despite the fact that there is a discussion on the article's talk page, this user keeps on wp:PUSHing. Woovee (talk) 16:54, 12 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Concerns by the users were addressed in subsequent edits (better references were added), so these were not simply reverts. I am now waiting for more input before making changes. And btw I was the one who initiated the discussion on talk; others just reverted.Faustian (talk) 17:00, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

I don't object to its inclusion IF better sources are found. Also, Faustian, reverts or not, slow down and make the changes once there is a consensus. There's no rush. Sergecross73  msg me  18:44, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

Xenoblade Chronicles X
Xenoblade Chronicles X is the spiritual successor to Xenoblade Chronicles, not the sequel.95.54.190.85 (talk) 17:54, 12 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Aren't they directly related though? They virtually have the same name. Spiritual sequels are usually more like unofficial continuations.


 * Final Fantasy: The Four Heroes of Light -> Bravely Default = spiritual sequels.
 * Bravely Default -> Bravely Second = sequel.
 * This seems more like the second. Sergecross73   msg me  17:58, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

No, Xenoblade 2015 is not related to Xenoblade 2010 story-wise. The guy from Nintendo said so on the official stream at the E3. The games have the same title, but Xenoblade 2015 is not the sequel to Xenoblade 2010.95.54.190.85 (talk) 18:06, 12 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Stories don't have to be related to count as sequels. And even if Xenoblade Chronicles X isn't a sequel, it sure isn't a "spiritual successor".  TheStickMan  [✆Talk] 18:11, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

It has been official said that Xenoblade Chronicles X is the spiritual successor to Xenoblade Chronicles. What kind of statement do you need now? 95.54.190.85 (talk) 18:23, 12 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Really? That's odd. Was it said in the Nintendo presentation yesterday?  TheStickMan  [✆Talk] 18:28, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

Yes. But even the official twitter of Nintendo of America says so: https://twitter.com/NintendoAmerica/status/476459422093295616 95.54.190.85 (talk) 18:35, 12 June 2014 (UTC)
 * I don't personally believe they used the right term, but if that's what the sources say, I won't remove it again. I also won't personally keep it in as I continue to maintain the article, and I believe people will probably remove it over time unless someone actively monitors it... Sergecross73   msg me  18:42, 12 June 2014 (UTC)
 * I will remove it myself if that info was false. But now there is no reason not to believe the info. 95.54.190.85 (talk) 19:25, 12 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Well, like I said, I doubt it due to the two words definitions, but we'll stick to the source for now. Future sources may clear this up better too. Sergecross73   msg me  22:20, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

Christopher10006 again
I've just come across this editor. Further to the discussion above and your recent messages on User talk:Christopher10006: his edits are still a strange mix of good and bad (e.g. [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_programs_broadcast_by_Disney_XD&diff=prev&oldid=612961638 this] which I've reverted). He's clearly unwilling (unable?) to explain his actions and competence does seem to be an issue. Difficult case, but I'd be inclined to indef block which will force him to learn quickly if he wants the account back. What do you think? —S MALL JIM   11:13, 15 June 2014 (UTC)
 * It's funny, when I first started reading this, I thought It was yet another editor requesting I block him myself, something I've been wrestling with how to handle. This time I was already contemplating if it should a long block or an indef block. I see that's not the case. Anyways, it's up to you. He definitely needs a block, and I wouldn't oppose any length, even and indef. Just let me know, because I think the only scenario I'd oppose if both of us forgetting about it and nothing happening. Let me know, . Sergecross73   msg me  12:03, 15 June 2014 (UTC)
 * OK, I've applied an indef block. In view of your other attempts to help him, you might consider adding a friendly note? I do prefer indefinite blocks because they force the person to make a commitment instead of being able to just sit out the block and then continue unchanged, working their way through another set of warnings – we see this happening time after time. The downside is extra work for another admin in dealing with any appeal, of course, and for the record I'll say that if Christopher10006 was to appeal showing a reasonable understanding what he has done wrong and a commitment to improve, then as far as I'm concerned, he could be unblocked. Once. —S MALL  JIM   15:14, 15 June 2014 (UTC)
 * That's an interesting approach. Not what I typically do, but what you say does make sense. I'm more than willing to try it. I'll try talking with him a bit too. I'd still like to see his point of view on all if this. He hasn't been very responsive on his talk page... Sergecross73   msg me  00:39, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks for that – I've seen the post-block discussion, which has certainly clarified a few things for me. I think we should now suggest to him that the next step he should take is to read up on the guide to appealing blocks, and then, if he feels he can meet the requirements, he should lodge a formal appeal. Shall I do that or do you think there's benefit in continuing discussion with him? Incidentally, so that there's full disclosure we should also let him know of this discussion. —S MALL  JIM   12:11, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
 * I agree, and it's completely up to you. I can or you can. Sergecross73   msg me  18:21, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Done. —S MALL  JIM   23:09, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

IP Attack on List of Sega Genesis games
A few different IPs have been edit warring against existing consensus to include unsourced "genre" information in the Featured List of Sega Genesis games, and their efforts have recently escalated. I'd appreciate you looking into the matter and perhaps protecting the page for awhile. Thanks in advance for any assistance,TheTimesAreAChanging (talk) 04:01, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Agreed. Protected. Sergecross73   msg me  10:24, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

The Hunting Party producers
Hello, I have a confusion about the producers of the album. Please discuss this on the talk page of the album. Please do the needful. Thank you! Mike: Golu  · [ ChitChat  ] 09:16, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

Soliciting comment
Hi Sergecross. Can you take a look at my FL candidate, List of thrash metal bands, and eventually leave a comment or vote at the review page? Thanks a bunch.--Retrohead (talk) 10:57, 18 June 2014 (UTC)
 * I don't mean to bother you, but can you at least say whether I can count on your input or should I ask someone else?--Retrohead (talk) 21:42, 18 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Sorry, forgot about this. I'll look at this tomorrow. Sergecross73   msg me  00:54, 19 June 2014 (UTC)

Discussion
Hi, can we discuss the "krautrock" matter on Signify, if you look at the krautrock page there are many bands and artists (Radiohead, David Bowie, QOTSA) that were influenced by krautrock but because it was a scene rather than a genre they are not listed in the info boxes for the artists. Lukejordan02 (talk) 03:00, 23 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Sure. There's a reliable source that days it pretty directly, but sure. Sergecross73   msg me  03:05, 23 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Hi, have you finished talking to me of are you just busy? Lukejordan02 (talk) 03:39, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

Linkin Park's fifth studio album listed at Redirects for discussion
An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Linkin Park&. Since you had some involvement with the Linkin Park's fifth studio album redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion if you have not already done so. MrLinkinPark333 (talk) 03:35, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

A request
Hi Sergecross, firstly just wanted to say thanks for your recent edits to video game articles; additionally could you please move List of Sonic the Hedgehog video game characters to simply just List of Sonic the Hedgehog characters, as 1) the list of comic book characters has been merged, 2) the video game characters list covers the major characters in the entire Sonic the Hedgehog franchise, not just the video games, and 3), List of Sonic the Hedgehog characters already redirects there.

It's fairly uncontroversial so I don't think a requested move is necessary, though I can't move it myself as I lack the necessary userrights to do so.

Many thanks! :) Satellizer   (´ ･ ω ･ `)  11:48, 23 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Hey . Thanks for the kind words. I've thought of doing this before myself, but was worried that if I changed it, people would start adding the "Princess Sally" and other comic-only characters on the list. Though, if the inclusion criteria is 2 game appearances, it wouldn't be an issue. Or we could leave a note that those characters should be listed at the comic's page? Let me know your thoughts. If you still want me to do it, I trust your judgment, and will make the change. Thanks! Sergecross73   msg me  13:19, 23 June 2014 (UTC)
 * I believe that the list should only contain relatively major characters, and the 2 game appearances threshold seems to me the best in separating the major from the minor ones; I don't believe any of the comics characters are prominent enough to be classified as "major", though I haven't read them so I could be wrong. In any case leaving a note saying that the comics characters should be listed on the comics' page seems to me the best course of action. Also, thanks for the kind words as well! Satellizer   (´ ･ ω ･ `)  08:20, 24 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the move! Satellizer   (´ ･ ω ･ `)  01:06, 26 June 2014 (UTC)
 * No problem. Sorry it took a day or two. I've been busy. Sergecross73   msg me  01:12, 26 June 2014 (UTC)

Sockpuppetry
Well look at this, Sergecross73. It has become clear to be that User: Chopra.nitin96 evaded his block with the sockpuppet account User: Naam toh suna hi hoga, which he has continued to edit from since the end of his block. Notice the overwhelming focus on Linkin Park articles, and that Naam toh suna hi hoga was created right when Chopra.nitin96 found out he was blocked and was used heavily during his block. If the sockpuppetry is clear RAZORS.OUT / SUICIDE MUSIC should be deleted per CSD:G5. STATic message me!   06:53, 11 June 2014 (UTC)
 * They certainly have penchant for trivial additions to Linkin Park related things. I'll look into this. Sergecross73   msg me  16:09, 11 June 2014 (UTC)
 * It looks more then WP:DUCK to me, if you do not think it is as obvious as me, I will be happy to open a SPI so a clerk can check this out. Unless User: Ponyo is not too busy to give this a quick look... STATic message me!   02:54, 12 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Yeah, the more I write that comment, the more I felt DUCK applies. Was going to wait for his reply, but I wouldn't bother seeking help elsewhere, leaning very heavily towards blocking... Sergecross73   msg me  03:00, 12 June 2014 (UTC)
 * I do find this edit interesting though. Although, that could just be to throw us off. It's not like his actual editing reflects that sort of thought process. Also suspicious neither have edited since the warning... Sergecross73   msg me  16:49, 12 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Well what's the matter man! I did not make another account! I just replied to Sergecross73 that the account could be my uncle's! I'm not even confirmed on that! Just check the IP address or whatever! because, I don't know anything about this matter! If I would do so, then I would edit the page Medal of Honor: Warfighter (EA Games Soundtrack) from the fake account! I provided the reference link there using my ip address, 182.156.102.94! Please help me! Chopra.nitin96 (talk) 17:05, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

Static, I'm going to be tied up for a bit. If you want to take the time to pursue it, I'd fully support it though. Sergecross73  msg me  18:45, 12 June 2014 (UTC)


 * So Serge, what do you suggest we do with RAZORS.OUT / SUICIDE MUSIC and A Light That Never Comes (Remixes)? I know at least the first was created during Chopra.nitin96's block and the second might have been created during his second block, because I saw that his "uncle" was editing during Chopra.nitin96's block. STATic message me!   18:35, 26 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Quite frankly, looking at the Linkin Park article templates, I feel like there's a ton of articles that ought to be redirected. (Crap like Living Things +.) Been debating on if/when to do this now. As you've probably noticed, the LP fanbase is very active and obstinent at the moment. I'll probably do it eventually. I fully support you in any redirect/deletion efforts in the meantime though. Sergecross73   msg me  18:48, 26 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Nevermind, just went for it. My other points still stand though. Sergecross73   msg me  18:54, 26 June 2014 (UTC)

The Little Things Give You Away
Need your help for this one. User:Launchballer made an article for "The Little Things Give You Away", which is absolutely unnecessary. Two users claimed that it's unnecessary to have an article from Minutes to Midnight (album). If that user reverts my edits cause of me redirecting the page to its exact article, then block that user for it. Those two users doesn't like the way it was created as of today. Thank you, and I hope you do your best to help us out. User:Skylar3214 12:56, 26 June 2014
 * I agree with you, I don't believe it meets the GNG. However, I can't block someone for good faith challenging that, unless they're violating WP:3RR or edit warring or something. I'll keep an eye on it though. You could always send it to AFD or start a discussion about it on the talk page if he continues to be persistent about it. Going against a consensus at one of those would be a blockable offense. Sergecross73   msg me  20:13, 26 June 2014 (UTC)

Well, the user is apparently violating and edit warring at the same time. That user's obviously got something against me, I had to keep redirecting it, but Launchballer keeps changing it back to the way it is. And now, the user just starting to smart mouth me for no reason. User:Skylar3214 3:19, 26 June 2014
 * Now four removals, according to the history. If you check the talk page, you will see that the conversation between two users which Skylar3214 refers to occurred seven years ago.-- Laun  chba  ller  22:43, 26 June 2014 (UTC)

Well, you both edit warred, and you were both blocked. Quite frankly, Skylar, you got off lightly. Had I blocked you, it probably would have been longer. Sergecross73  msg me  00:08, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

Geno Lenardo
The page about Geno Lenardo from Filter was redirected. I don't know who did it, and why that happened. User:Skylar3214 4:54, 29 June 2014
 * That's fine, I do enjoy his work, but there's not a lot of info out there on him. I undid your changes mostly do to the links to Disturbed and Filtet, not him. Sergecross73   msg me  00:06, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

But it does call for lots of resources and information, if it wants to make it back on Wikipedia's notability guideline in music. It got me confused for a minute back there. That's all I wanted to know. User:Skylar3214 5:11, 29 June 2014
 * He's been in 2 notable bands Filter (band) and Device (metal band), so he's probably notable. It all depends on if someone works hard to write the article and find sources though. Sergecross73   msg me  00:13, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

I agree with you at this point. Thank you for telling me about this. I just wanted you to let me know. User:Skylar3214 5:18, 29 June 2014