User talk:WesleyDodds/Archive 9

Just like Heaven (song)
Wesley, how's it coming? Separating the FACs that are waiting for Raul, or use non-reliable sources, this is now our longest-running FAC. Can indopug or Tuf-Kat's concerns be resolved? Sandy Georgia (Talk) 17:34, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

Delivery
Is it ready for this month? xihix (talk) 20:17, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry for being late, I'm having a little trouble with WP:AWB... xihix  (talk) 00:41, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Synth rock restored
This article has been restored after its deletion was contested at Deletion review. As you nominated the article to be deleted via WP:PROD, you may wish to nominate the article for a full deletion discussion at Articles for deletion.--Tikiwont (talk) 14:47, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

The Blackest Night
Hey, I'm looking for people to help me out with the creation of this article, care to lend a hand? --CmdrClow (talk) 09:11, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Because the entire run has been building toward this event, there is already a wealth of information through every issue which can be used in the article. --CmdrClow (talk) 09:33, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Hulk (Comics)
One note off topic. THANK YOU for the book recommendation. I've been hoping to get Iron Man up to a good GA before the movie, and could NOT get any help sourcing his communist bent. Comic Book nation does that well! ThuranX (talk) 00:01, 5 March 2008 (UTC)


 * In library now, will check it out tonight. It's wan on actual Hulk analysis overall, esp. in relation to Grest. Weinberg's science of superheros, or Simcha Weinstein's Up UP and Oy vey, but it'll help, no doubt, with Hulk, and hopefully other articles. I'm also looking at Tales to Astonish, by Ronin Ro, but... it' a bit more history of Marvel than of the characters, and covers most of the major character creations ins a paragraph, LOL - shows that the focus changes the coverage. ThuranX (talk) 00:07, 5 March 2008 (UTC)


 * see here. ThuranX (talk) 03:11, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Popular Music Sites
Hi Wesley,

You mentioned that PureVolume, being a website for bands to host mp3s, is not suitable as a source. Is this because a source should be a 3rd-party human being who has done original research or synthesis? I realize that PureVolume (and any site that collects and presents data about usage) can present results that are made inaccurate through sockpuppets, but it still ends up being less slanted and biased than human beings, don't you think? Dscotese (talk) 00:45, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Kitty Pryde
Hi Wesley. Thanks for helping out with the page. I haven't read that issue yet, but I did read an issue summary, so I tried to edit it back to standards. Thanks for fixing that one, though. At least that nonsense is over now.Luminum (talk) 05:54, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Nirvana
Are you still working on a style and influences section for Nirvana? The article could use some cleanup and more info, especially considering it is a FA. &mdash; Burningclean &#91; Speak the truth! &#93; 01:02, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Back
I'm now able to edit Wikipedia regularly for a change. Thanks for watching over the TFA/R page while I was away; I'm sure I'll be able to post a request soon, as most of the current ones are before the 20th. I guess my main issue was the fact that I haven't had an article featured on the main page yet; I can think of a few reasons why. I remember nominating Pixies on the old WP:TFA/R and watching it slide down the list for about a year! By the way, I plan to resume my work on The Replacements, but I'll be able to help. Any articles in particular that you're working on the moment? (which reminds me, I should really finish Double Nickels on the Dime's music section.) CloudNine (talk) 21:57, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

This Charming Man
Any interest in co-noming the above dittie within a few days. A bit of work between now and then is needed, but nothing major. Ceoil (talk) 15:27, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I went ahead and nom'd wittout your say. If you could pick up the broken bottles, bones and teeth in my wake, that would be great. Ceoil (talk) 17:11, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
 * What the hell. Top! Way on down south....in London Town...I'm auld enough to rember to rember when this stuff was cool.........deary me. Movies please. Ceoil (talk) 22:35, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes....Funky as fuck. I'm a big Micheal fan. Ceoil (talk) 22:52, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Great Wesley; do you have few electo links to back that up? Ceoil (talk) 23:02, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

Eek!! Ceoil (talk) 22:53, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Have an average version of an exceptional song by an exceptional band, from a really great city (honest). If you ever get bored, their 1st EP is just brilliant; just don't confuse it with the distarous 2nd EP, or their catastrophic debut LP. Ceoil (talk) 01:08, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Relvant how. Dude, its tuesday. Ceoil (talk) 11:38, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Good answear. Any ideas for a third lead para. Ceoil (talk) 11:48, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
 * At 3.35 this elecrto classic getS interesting in a big way. Oh 1991 where have you gone. Ceoil (talk) 14:02, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Ok, I'm done with the Charming man page, and moving on. Did you see the sock puppet activity on Outriggrs page? Very worring and illegal, and to beat it all it decendeded into a hug fest. I hate hugging; if you were an admin I'd ask yopu to block the man for being the way he is; a right, total fucking fecker. I have the flu today; have a cat standing on my head looking for food, but do not have energy to save him...Probably I could make it down the stairs, but I fear for the likelyhood I'll make it back up. [cough]. The more I throw pillows and underpants at the fucker the more determined he becomes. Ceoil (talk) 15:45, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Look at what I found....Its shit, but great! And has a hot bird at 2.51. Ceoil (talk) 19:45, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Please. Ceoil (talk) 11:53, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

Janet Jackson
hello,

Since you've done such fantastic work on various musical artist's pages, I was wondering if you wouldn't mind giving the Janet Jackson article a quick overview and leaving some comments on the article's talk page, esp. concerning the article's introduction and the validity of the sources of various statements. If you do, thankyou in advance. Bookkeeperoftheoccult (talk) 06:59, 11 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Thankyou for all your input! Bookkeeperoftheoccult (talk) 00:04, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Hi again, I was wondering if you happened to agree with the current criticism of the JJ article presented in FAC. I want to maintain critical distance, but it seems like there is an undesirable focus on the superbowl, which is heavily discussed in the article and has its own independent article as well. Plus, it bothers me somewhat that I've seen several music artist articles that are less comprehensive than JJ and use far less diversified sources that are still promoted to FA and kept as FA after going through FAR. You don't have to reply in FAC, I just wanted a outside opinion. Bookkeeperoftheoccult (talk) 21:46, 13 April 2008 (UTC)


 * thats cool. I'm not a significant contributor to the MJ related articles. I just help out at times when User:Realist2 makes a request. Thriller obviously needs some work, im not sure why they pulled the request for peer review. Bookkeeperoftheoccult (talk) 00:32, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Hello again. One of the things that came up in FAC for Janet was a "musical style" section, which I must admit I'm lost on. I'm sure I could get the ball rolling, but I need a place to start. I know she's done about ever genre of music, but I don't know how to describe her style. Any suggestions? Bookkeeperoftheoccult (talk) 08:57, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I was wondering, is there anyway to cite a CD case itself? I'm working on Janet Jackson's Rhythm Nation 1814 and there's a tiny bit of info in the packet that i can't find online. The Bookkeeper   (of the Occult)  23:05, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
 * It's the dedication to her mother on the interior.

This album is deticated to my mother, Katherine Jackson. I have never known a more beautiful, caring, loving, understanding and intelligent woman than you, mother. Someday I hope to be exactly like you. I love you with all my heart. -Janet
 * I guess it could be considered trivial, but it seemed nice enough to be mentioned in the article. Thoughts? The Bookkeeper   (of the Occult)  23:12, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Would you mind doing a small scan of the citations for Control (Janet Jackson album), Janet Jackson's Rhythm Nation 1814 and janet.? I have no idea if I'm filling out the templates correctly for the online journal/academic search (links with the lock symbol). The Bookkeeper  (of the Occult)  11:50, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

In Rainbows
Thanks for your help in getting it featured. I'm deciding on whether to work to get OK Computer featured - which looks relatively easy - or working on some non-Radiohead related articles, probably (What's the Story) Morning Glory. Atlantik (talk) 11:29, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Silly reply
I'm into most alt rock; right now I'm listening to a lot The Strokes and The Libertines, and am working on their discographies (Do you like either of them?). I plan to work on Is This It sometime in the future; thing is for me its easier to source (online) newer bands compared to old ones. I wouldn't mind working on R.E.M. discography with you in a week or so. indopug (talk) 10:00, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Vitalogy looks good enough for FA pending maybe a slight CE/cleanup and a an oversee of sources to check for comprehensiveness. Sure I'll help out with Mellon Collie, I love the Pumpkins. Also don't hesitate to ask for music samples, especially of popular songs, I think I can take care of that.
 * I was hoping you could help with The Libertines discography; that's pretty much done except for the the second para of the lead, the overview of their career. Do you see anything to be added and improved in "Touch Me I'm Sick"? Once I'm in the mood again I'll polish the legacy section and send it to FAC. indopug (talk) 10:35, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Chronic Town
Would be an excellent choice. Its great, and you can squeeze in loads of background info. How was weekend? Ceoil (talk) 21:50, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Hey
Hey i noticed your verey good at getting articles up to FA. Ive nominated the Thriller (album) for GA statues. I was wondering if you could read it and leave some advise on the talk page about possible improvements. I only want to get it up to GA statues (wiki would never give a MJ article an FA statues anyway lol). Yours Realist2 (talk) 14:24, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Yikes, i really have no idea how to do all that, thanx for the advice though. Cheers. Realist2 (talk) 22:37, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Re: The Chronic
Hi, thanks for the tip, i never tried any of those sites for sources so i'll go through them and have a look now. By the way, what do you think of the article ? It's been on the GA nomination list for ages, hopefully it'll be reviewed sometime this year lol. Again, thanks. - Guerilla In Tha Mist (talk) 16:59, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Re:Blur
That would be 13 onwards right? indopug (talk) 08:38, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
 * You think we can include a promo pic under fair-use? The band have broken up haven't they? indopug (talk) 08:48, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Rowntree and James, on CC2.0 license with permission to modify the images; so i think they're cool to use without asking permission. Only thing is I don't know Photoshop and can't remove the red eye in the Rowntree pic unless I use something crude like MS Paint. Here's a set of good James pics, but they're all with a "No derivatives" license, so I don't think they can be uploaded at Commons. Do you want to ask the uploader to change the license? indopug (talk) 07:25, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

I guess I could start later in the day. How exactly would we go about this (together)? I make the tables, you handle the sourcing? I'll fix up a table for Studio albums tonight based on Nirvana discography. Also, I imagine that R.E.M. would have charted everywhere, so which world charts should we include (because there might be too many). indopug (talk) 07:07, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

I think the best way to handle that re-issue situation is to list the single in the table at original release date but list the higher chart entries, with a asterix ([I]} pointing out "_____ single charted higher in UK when reissued in " and maybe also a "Only higher charting listed here. Another thing, listing B-sides may not be necessary at all; read Drewcifer's comments here. Then again, if there are noteworthy B-sides, it might be better to list them. indopug (talk) 10:18, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Hey should we back up the print sources in Studio albums with those from everyhit.co.uk, RIAA, and BPI so that readers can easily verify for themselves? Also while searching on any of the chart sites check for variations like "REM" too; BPI didn't show anything for "R.E.M."! R.E.M. Live should be in a live albums section. indopug (talk) 11:23, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

American revolution
Ideally a lead should reflect events both proportionally to their actual importance and proportionally to their coverage in the article, as is described in LEAD. It is true that the French involvement isn't covered as much as it should be, but the French entry into the war, their aliance with other European powers, their financial contribution, their fleet being involved and their participation n the battle at Yorktown are covered. This, combined with the actual importance importance of the French involvement for the success of the revolution, makes it legitimate, in my opinion, to include it in the intro. -Duribald (talk) 09:50, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree it's really bad, although it's not badly written - it's been edited into FUBAR. I'll replace it with something better when I'm back from risking three reverts blocking. -Duribald (talk) 10:16, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
 * It doesn't have to be an edit war - although the policy is there to prevent them. The exceptions are rather few and "When in doubt do not revert." But I'll do it as soon as possible- -Duribald (talk) 10:37, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Hoodoo Gurus not New Wave?
In editing Hoodoo Gurus (HG) recently you contended that HG are not New Wave and so suggested that this genre should be removed from the article. As I understand it New Wave evolved from punk and one of its sub-genre's is Power pop. Whilst HG are often referred to as college/alternate rock this disregards their earlier punk/post-punk work as Le Hoodoo Gurus (see Australian punk rock site for examples).

Another reference for HG initially being Punk/New Wave at review of Tunnel Vision.

Furthermore, many references to their Power pop style are given by sources within the HG article.

I dispute your contention and believe the article should retain the New Wave genre appellation. A copy of this note has been added to Talk:Hoodoo Gurus.Shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 23:27, 20 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your reply at my talk page, I've cut and pasted it to Talk:Hoodoo Gurus and will direct my future replies there. I'm hoping to get other opinions on this discussion.Shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 02:48, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

Mea culpa
So sorry I went to go rollback myself and I noticed you already had; thanks. I had forgotten that "rollback" undoes all the consecutive edits by a Wikipedian if his edits are most recent. And I checked the usage on Infobox album and you were correct. Again, I apologize. -Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 10:04, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

Disaster
MBV are playing Electric Picnic the same day that my idiot but oddly charming cousin is getting married. Fuck it, him, and all that belong to him. Ceoil (talk) 19:18, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Time you staraighted youself right out...... cornered; msg to you, rude boaaaye. Ceoil (talk) 20:37, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Links needed now; you lazy decdant american bastard. Ceoil (talk) 21:02, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Nothing in paticular. Ceoil (talk) 21:08, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
 * "YELLE "JE VEUX TE VOIR" New video !!!" Wow. Cheese? No problem. j'adore ce titre je ne peu pas m'en pa. Ceoil (talk) 12:39, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
 * To be fair how great is this? Pretty fucking great, thats how Ceoil (talk) 12:47, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

You probably got this before. Here again, more, and similar. Oh, mark. Ceoil (talk) 21:54, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I was born I was dead. Ceoil (talk) 21:56, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Shalamar? No idea what you are on about. Today was brought to me by buzzcocks 'fast cars'. Uh they make me dizzy Ceoil (talk) 22:26, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I'm a tool. get it now. evil laugh: Ha hahaa ha ah aaah, splutter Ceoil (talk) 22:31, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I broke up with a german bird last year; let me tell you there is nothing funny about that country. Thanks for link. Its cheese but excellent. Ceoil (talk) 22:37, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Im trying Trout Mask Replica again. Its good and fun, but Im not drawn to it in the way I am with other things. Its clever, but lacks charisma, Thoughts? Ceoil (talk) 22:42, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Random; but Memphis, Tennessee. Chusk Berry. Ceoil (talk) 22:47, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm having quiet time with Lisa gerrard's The Host of Seraphim. Feck off. Ceoil (talk) 22:55, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
 * The Shop Assistants link is great, thanks. Ceoil (talk) 22:27, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

Radiohead Taskforce
I commented on CloudNine's talk page, and am awaiting a response. I reckon a RHead taskforce will be reallllyy good, because some of the articles are terrible (eg Just). Also, some articles, such as Paranoid Android, aren't too far off FA status, or at least GA.  Ka5hmir TalkToMe! 10:50, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Kubrick
Looks like a fun challenge. What are your thoughts on how to best handle the filmography. Sections on "Directorial style" and "Recurring themes" as suggested by one participant in the most recent FAC. Straight chronology, broken up into eras rather than film by film? Or something else?—DCGeist (talk) 16:12, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

List of Arctic Monkeys awards
Sorry to bother you, but I would like to know why you did this. Is it because the project doesn't have a list class or because you don't think it is a list?  weburiedoursecrets inthegarden  08:32, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Yo...

 * There is much better Aussie rock out there. (Do I run now?) dihydrogen monoxide (H2O) 09:23, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Get back to ME after you've witnessed Across the Great Divide or These Days: Live in Concert!! dihydrogen monoxide (H2O) 09:28, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Will take a look, though I note you managed not to comment on the awesomess that is Powderfinger ;) dihydrogen monoxide (H2O) 09:38, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Leonard Cohen
If I were a girl...The first 3 albums, and the last 3, and I suppose "I'm your man". Ceoil (talk) 22:10, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Alt Rock source
Dear Mr. Dodds,

Nice work with the Alternative Music WP. I am new to WP, and have recently been made aware that, as an editor at the online mag Crawdaddy!, I am guilty of COI. I am only making non-controversial changes at this point, and making known my magazine's work on talk pages (as well as reverting links that I have added over the past few weeks and putting them on talk pages for discussion). That being said, I noticed your call for sources on the Alternative Music WP, and wanted to point out our site if you hadn't seen it already, as it deals, in detail, with alt rock and music Crawdaddy!. Thanks for reading, Asst. Editor, Crawdaddy! FenderRhodesScholar | Talk 23:28, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Eminem
You removed templates from the Eminem talk page, noting that they were unnecessary and redundant. I'm not sure what ones you decided were unnecessary, but the WPBiography templates are for two separate work groups. In terms of those work groups (Musician vs. Actors and Filmmakers), Eminem has much different priority levels (some projects call it importance), since his prominence and priority as an actor isn't nearly that as a musician. Since there is no way to separate the priority levels one on template at this time, two are necessary. In all cases, when an article is put under a project, the template is necessary to track the article in terms of the project and needs to remain in place in order for that function to work. I've returned the ones that were removed for this reason. Thanks. Wildhartlivie (talk) 04:47, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Newsletter
Goes to everyone at WikiProject Alternative music/Members, right? dihydrogen monoxide (H2O) 08:58, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Should be going soon. dihydrogen monoxide (H2O) 09:06, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Alternative music Newsletters
If you missed last the previous newsletter, you can find it at WikiProject Alternative music/Newsletter/February 2008. You are receiving this newsletter because you have signed up for WikiProject Alternative music. If you wish to stop receiving this newsletter, or would like to receive it in a different form, add your name to the appropriate section here. This newsletter was delivered by the automated Giggabot (talk) 10:01, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

REM UK Chart placings
Unfortunately, the 2 sources I have don't go beyond 2001, and one only includes top 100 chart placings. There's a web page showing the chart positions between 1995 and 2000 here which includes placings in the top 200 (basically anything that sold at all I would guess), and I have another source (MC Strong's Great Rock Discography book) that has UK and US chart placings up to the end of 2001. Strong's book is pretty reliable and doesn't have a UK chart placing for "Wendell Gee", but it could still have charted outside the top 100. I'll check my sources against your draft and let you know if anything disagrees.--Michig (talk) 19:22, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Ok, I've found a few discrepancies/additions, some of which might be a bit of a pain to incorporate, as a few singles were reissued at various points with different B-sides:
 * 1) Murmur reached #36 in th US apparently
 * 2) Dead Letter Office: UK #60, US #52
 * 3) Eponymous: UK #69, US #44
 * 4) The Best Of REM: UK #7 (issued Sept 1991)
 * 5) The One I Love - reached UK #51 on first issue (1987), didn't chart on second issue (1988), reached UK #16 on third issue (Sept 1991)
 * 6) Stand reached UK #51 on first issue Jan 89, but UK #48 when reissued Jul 89.
 * 7) It's The End of The World... - UK #39 when reissued Dec 1991.

I think that's it - all other positions are as listed in Strong's book. The source for this, should you wish to reference it in the article is...

Let me know if you need any more detail. Cheers.--Michig (talk) 19:47, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

I've found more (from www.everyhit.co.uk, which only includes top 40 hits):

--Michig (talk) 20:35, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Bad Day - #8
 * Animal - #33
 * Leaving New York - #5
 * Electron Blue - #26
 * Wanderlust - #27

WesleyDodds is tired
It happens dont worry. Here is a friendly Knife. Ceoil (talk) 13:10, 5 April 2008 (UTC)


 * I mean nothing by this, but what a tune, what a voice. On a sad and lonely face. Him eating a sandwiche on the train is GOLD. Ceoil (talk) 13:17, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
 * No reason. WAKE UP! Ceoil (talk) 22:05, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Just had a look at Thin Lizzy, and oh dear god. Any interest? Ceoil (talk) 09:08, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Was think the same re older albums. Off the top of my head, I'd go for Morrison hotel or On the Beach. Lots of drama for both. . Ceoil (talk) 09:20, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh, and thousand thanks for the Kate Bush link. Ceoil (talk) 09:22, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes we get books over here. I think the last thing the world needs is more words on the beatles, to be fair. The Neil Young album has good back story, and there is always VU I, and trout mask reprilia. Have been listenuing to for 75 minutes, so great, and I'll see them in August!! Oh boy. Ceoil (talk) 09:29, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Did I mention I was a serious Queen fan when I were a lad? Ok so. But On the Beach after. Deal? Ceoil (talk) 09:37, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Back at you Ceoil (talk) 09:44, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I suppose that's something you got to live with. listening to old town over and over Ceoil (talk) 09:56, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

Accelerate
Finally got me a copy of their latest effort. What are your thoughts? Personally, I still think they were better in their heyday. "Supernatural Superserious" doesn't grab me like their older stuff. CloudNine (talk) 20:55, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Alternative_music
Just for reference, any idea how long it'll be before you get a chance to take a look at these? dihydrogen monoxide (H2O) 02:30, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Sounds good. I'm plenty busy if you can't get it done Wednesday. Cheers, dihydrogen monoxide (H2O) 04:10, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

Featured article candidates/Strapping Young Lad
Hi! Just wanted to let you know that Strapping Young Lad is a featured article candidate, so feel free to comment! I know you're not familiar with the band or the genre, so you're not obliged to :) Gocsa (talk) 14:35, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

The last Goldfrapp‎ album is excellent
and so is the new Portishead. Did I mention the Knife? Ceoil (talk) 18:31, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Was hoping to find Philthy Phil Philanthropist, but Tim will do, for now. Ceoil (talk) 19:28, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

A few things
Hey, any plans for a "B-class article improvement drive" again (May–June maybe)? I think we should start moving stuff from the workspace to R.E.M. discography, cause even though a work-in-progress, its still better than the actual article. Have you seen Maynard James Keenan, now at FAC? The biography is band-wise rather than chronological and I'm not sure it works that way. On the PR, the editor told me the bio got too complicated if arranged chronologically, but I'm still not sure. Too much of the info seems more suited for his bands' articles. indopug (talk) 07:36, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
 * The reason I haven't been adding to the discography is that Big Brother restricts my internet access in college (entertainment sites are blocked). I can't even access the soundonsound.com link :(. You should add a comment at the Keenan FAC asking them to wait, it might close soon I think.
 * Big gaping error in Alice in Chains: a quote from an article from the Facelift era (1990) is being used to describe the music on Dirt. indopug (talk) 10:24, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
 * What genre would you classify Blondie under? I need to know for a ""Call Me" is a song by American _________ band Blondie." kinda purpose. Thanks indopug (talk) 12:53, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Thriller
Firstly could you PLEASE archive your page, do you know how long it took me to scroll down here?

Ok now thats out the way, i need your help with Thriller, i saw your message at bookkeepers page, the Thriller 25 mess has been resolved so ANYTHING is possible, even if its just some advise on the talk page, it would be very helpful. lso the quicker it becomes FA, the quicker i can get outta this place. Cheers. Realist2 (talk) 09:55, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

No need to worry about reliability, that was already checked with the first FA review. All sources were checked and adjusted accordingly, thats ok. Realist2 (talk) 10:10, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for taking the time to look at Thriller (album). You stated you did not have time until the end of the month, but I was hoping you could answer one question about qualification for FA. How does the article look in terms of passive verbs? I've been doing a lot of rewrite on that but if it looks okay I want to devote my time to other editing issues. Thanks!--DizFreak talk Contributions 19:29, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Peer review/Beyoncé Knowles/archive1
This is my biggest project to date and I would like to ask your suggestions for it to improve further. Thank you. --Efe (talk) 13:01, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Batman
His Wesley. I know you wrote most of the Batman article, and there's an editor who has requested citations on a fair bit of it. Could you perhaps have a look at the article, the article history and the talk page and see if you can help with citations or the discussion as to whether or not they are needed? Hiding T 10:45, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

english inkies
How do editors have access to old NME and Melody Maker peices in many of the articles you have a hand in? Private collections? 86.44.28.245 (talk) 06:54, 18 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Ah, interesting. Thanks. 86.44.28.245 (talk) 07:22, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Totally interviewed
I suppose you can back that claim up with a link??!! Ceoil (talk) 06:19, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks! I had forgotten why you the man! Ceoil (talk) 06:30, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
 * ;-) What a tool Eldritch is. "A gun for a lover" Ha ha, wanker. Ceoil (talk) 07:00, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Still though. . Ceoil (talk) 07:03, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Im listening to Richie Hawtin's "Live @ Chesterfield Labelland Gold 22-06-2002" again and it is so good. I would place it with Unknown Pleasures, Sheer heart attack, Live at the Witches trial, Bizzaro, Come on die young, or any of that stuff. I know you don't do peer to peer; but this one splash on soul seek would be worth it. Ceoil (talk) 10:35, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

Random: Ceoil (talk) 17:37, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

Frusciante pic
Tell me about it. The one that was deleted (God only knows why) was awesome. It's going to be really difficult to find one, as most professional photographers are extremely stingy when it comes to releasing their work into the Creative Commons. I searched practically all afternoon for another one. Any help would be greatly appreciated. NSR 77 T C  15:54, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Motivation is a fickle bitch, ya know? On another note, do you have any access to Audacity or something along those lines? I'm in need of someone to cut a live version of "Under the Bridge" for the article.  NSR 77  T C  19:06, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm not quite done with the article yet. I've still to add a "Cover versions" section, which is where I plan on adding Flea's feelings towards Yankovic's (terrible) cover. The article also needs a good copyedit, which I have not yet done but may do tonight if I don't go out. Anything you want to add about it? NSR 77  T C  00:02, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
 * "Smells Like Teen Spirit" has a lot of the categories I wanted to discuss; I took a quick look at it before I started writing "Under the Bridge" and then after I finished realized the similarities. You certainly laid some great groundwork in song articles, though I've noticed most songs are not significant enough to support some of the categories present. "Under the Bridge" has a lot written about it, being the highest charting alternative song I can think of, but it's just not quite as secular as "Teen Spirit". I still think it is your best effort, perhaps paralleled only by Smashing Pumpkins. NSR 77  T C  00:21, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I really want to work on Disintegration next. I've decided the album has successfully infiltrated my top five favorite albums of all time. I just got Never Enough in the mail, another great bio by Jeff Apter. Do you want to help? You know Cure sources better than I do. NSR 77  T C  02:57, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Have you ever seen the clip of him getting pissed off during an interview when he was asked to give three reasons for someone to purchase their new record? He flips out, assaulting the guy. It's quite hilarious. NSR 77 T C  03:12, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
 * If Year Zero does not get promoted again, or if it isn't done in the next couple days, this will be the first time WP:ALM hasn't had a promoted article every month since early 2007. Never thought it could happen. NSR 77  T C  21:59, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Its really strange how so many significant editors to the project suddenly became inactive. Where has CloudNine been? NSR 77  T C  01:31, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Haha, Chad actually has a lot more of a role in the "Under the Bridge" than some videos. He's shown throughout but is superimposed with Flea onto images of Anthony, so it’s not just clear shots of him. Flea probably has the smallest part in "Under the Bridge" than any other video. He's usually pretty important. In the video for "By the Way", Chad only appears once, at the end; all he's doing is flagging down a cab. In an interview where they talked about the video, he jokingly commented "I did all my own stunts." NSR 77  T C  13:51, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

I'll take "Under the Bridge" to FAC in late May, but it really depends on whenever someone feels like getting around to the GAC. Work on Disintegration will surely continue into early to mid June, but I'm targeting an FAC for somewhere around early/mid July. I really want to get my hands on a copy of the NME Goth special; I've been probing every nook and cranny of Ebay for it, but so far nothing more than a PDA file that isn't worth the 7 dollar price tag has come up. While we've got our minds in the topic we might as well push The Cure to FA status, as well. Other than that the only projects I have in my immediate future are Mother's Milk, Uplift Mofo Party Plan and Stadium Arcadium, which I hope to complete by the end of the summer. My ultimate goal is to get every Chili Peppers album featured, and then shoot for a superior featured topic. Other than stuff right now, what about you? And big ideas? NSR 77 T C  19:07, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't say that I don't like Pearl Jam, I simply feel they're overrated. I also think they rose to the top way too quickly and were ultimately riding the popularity horse already started by Nirvana and the Chili Peppers. Keep in mind Pearl Jam were originally the opening act for the Peppers and Nirvana after Irons begged Kiedis to allow it. Though, the band showed a lot of endurance up until the past decade. Now a days they're barely a threat in pop music. When do you want to begin on Disintegration?
 * I'll start this weekend, when I have more time to reread the era in Never Enough and check some other sources. Favorite Cure song? NSR 77  T C  16:16, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
 * My personal favorite Cure song is probably "Disintegration". It's absolutely astounding, riveting, and beautiful. "From The Edge of the Deep Green Sea" and "Plainsong" are also awesome, along with "Fascination Street", "The Kiss", "One More Time", and "To Wish Impossible Things", among many others. Their pop singles, while great, aren't as good as their lesser known material (to me), although I adore "Love Song" and "Lovecats". NSR 77  T C  23:39, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Wreacked
Well there is but, of course, Waits' origional could not be bettered. How the Queen thing going, bty? I'm stuck on sheer heart attack, which is nice. Ceoil (talk) 08:00, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Found something very odd on u tube ? Ceoil (talk) 12:01, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

(See the Sky) About to Rain
...is Neil Young's best song. It generaly gets hammered in reviews of On the Beach, but I think it is great. Discuss. Ceoil (talk) 12:03, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Disintegration could be a brilliant article. Lots to say about that album. Go for it! Ceoil (talk) 20:46, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Hmm, his court case always stuck me as odd. Of course they had to fire him; he was an acholic mess, could only play keyboards if coloured stickers told him what to do, and was prone to going missing. "Yeah, they were right to fire me". Such self awarness. Listen to Mrs Merton's (Hookie's wife) opening q to Debbie MacGeehere; surely equal on a level of obviousness. Ceoil (talk) 20:57, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Disco R.E.M.
For the albums chart or the singles? Do you know the formats the albums were released in? indopug (talk) 05:47, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Do you think an article like "Like Suicide" merits redirecting to the album page? A;though its not a single, the band have talked about it quite a bit. indopug (talk) 06:12, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Yeah I have unrestricted access to the internet now. I'll read that article and get back to you. We should also check whether useful stuff from all the Superunknown-related articles from the Stargate fansite have been incorporated. indopug (talk) 07:37, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't think there was anything useful in that ew article; except maybe a comparision with Robert Plant/Led Zep and "psychedelic grunge with Indian overtones." to describe the album's sound. indopug (talk) 09:00, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm planning to submit "Touch Me I'm Sick" to FAC soon, a copy-edit/suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks, indopug (talk) 14:07, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks so much for the support. We should add this to the Britpop article. indopug (talk) 11:42, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh, come on! They're hilarious--I remember artcore, folkcore and progcore from a while back. You know I'm surprised that there isn't a genre called power rock? I don't know why, but that just struck me as odd. indopug (talk) 21:42, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

(Random) I bet a lot of people think your actual name is Wesley Dodds. indopug (talk) 20:03, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

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They are so depressing
going round and round. Ceoil (talk) 15:42, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Keith Moon interview very creepy. Ceoil (talk) 15:46, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Disintegration
Don't worry; it will begin this weekend without question. I had a late night out last night, but ready to start later today or tomorrow. NSR 77 T C  17:29, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Gah, I got really caught up today in school work. I'm sorry. Tuesday we'll start for sure. NSR 77  T C  00:26, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
 * "Give it Away" is a great song, but by no means their best. It's the only Chili Peppers song that Frusciante uses his solo-work signature style of backwards guitar, which makes it special in some ways. The video is amazing. Frusciante and Flea were incredibly high, if I remember correctly. Stéphane Sednaoui is one of the best music video directors and every video he's made with the band is rad ("Scar Tissue", "Breaking the Girl"). I'll spruce it up in between work on Disintegration. NSR 77  T C  02:08, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Although I haven't played video games in over two years, GTA IV just came out and I've been disgustingly enthralled by it. I'll start this weekend, I swear. :) NSR 77  T C  21:44, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Guess who's going to see My Bloody Valentine in New York City at Roseland Ballroom in September. NSR 77  T C  16:58, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

That's because J&MC suck ass. NSR 77 T C  17:07, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

Hey Jude
Due to a misunderstanding, I hastily posted a discussion on the Hey Jude talk page, and I have reverted this discussion; see. If you think this discussion is still worthwhile, feel free to restore it, but please do take into account my most recent edit summary. Thank you. Marcus2 (talk) 00:37, 4 May 2008 (UTC)


 * I understand your argument very well now. I'm glad we were able to come up with some agreement.  It's just that the Beatles absorbed and invented so many genres that it's very hard for me to draw the line between rock and pop.  I wish you the best. Marcus2 (talk) 00:49, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Singles Going Steady
"I don't mind". By a mile. Ceoil (talk) 13:03, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Album charts for Badmotorfinger
Hello Wesley. There's a user who keeps adding charts from Kerrang! and Eye Weekly to the chart positions section of the Badmotorfinger article. I've been removing them under the position that they are not notable and would lead to a slippery slope as far as what charts could be included in the chart positions section. I'm wondering if you could add some input to this. Thanks.-5- (talk) 17:21, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Reviews & cites
You removed the reviews and their cites from Ruby and left a summary saying use them in album pages, of which there are none for this band (just a few singles). Since I don't plan to make any, where would this information and the logo be appropriate? Kresock (talk) 03:22, 7 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the response and input. Kresock (talk) 04:57, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

grunge
a valid source was sited bush is both grunge and post grunge some critics consider them grunge some post grunge a valid reference at allmusic.com is sited to show there are also grunge now please revert your own mistake oh and by the way bush has been up there since god knows when in the article,

that is your opinion but allmusic is considered reliable sources under wiki guide lines --Wikiscribe (talk) 21:02, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

but that is your opinion of what is wrong and right which means your siteing your own pov--Wikiscribe (talk) 21:12, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

so you use allmusic.com when you agree with there classification of a band but when you dont you rely on your own original research okay gotcha i will contact an administrator to sort throught his--Wikiscribe (talk) 21:30, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

can you name me the all the grunge bands that broke up in the mid 90's being i just investigated every grunge band on the list of grunge bands and could not find hardly one that broke up in the mid 90's but i do know that either re word the section or it will be removed again--Wikiscribe (talk) 03:55, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

This Mortal Coil
What do you make of this. I quite like it, after I stuck with it, even if the guys making it shouldn't appear within 20 feet of any object that can record visual representation. Just to redeem my self. Ceoil (talk) 22:45, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
 * so good. Ceoil (talk) 23:00, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

Ah sure jesus, I've heard that thousands of times. I actually listened to it earlier today. Try harder. Ceoil (talk) 01:28, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Goddamn women. I ended with a fairly good one of them on tuesday. And now Madame George is on the player. Drat. Ceoil (talk) 01:36, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Ha, just random editing. I was on a page about some tragic greek goddess, and strayed in. Is all. Also I'm trying to move towards editing more general articles, away from the backwaters of indie and paintings. Ceoil (talk) 01:40, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Is Scarlett Johanssen's album really so bad? So much of my faith in humanity rests on her immaculateness, if you know if you know what i mean, and I think you just might. Ceoil (talk) 01:47, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

No. Email them, Melody Maker is IPC. Ceoil (talk) 20:39, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
 * No, I wouldn't poision my sent items with either of those publications. Just try your luck. Ceoil (talk) 21:17, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah mention the wiki thing, and tell them that the quotes will be fully cited, with a link back to their webpage. And be polite and fawing. Ceoil (talk) 21:20, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Diorama
I ended up putting it up for FAC...if you do manage to get those reviews, it'd still be great. Cheers, dihydrogen monoxide (H2O) 02:50, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Sinestro Corps War
I clarified my point at the FAC. I was basically saying you can't compare apples to oranges. Nothing to do with MoS or anything like that. WesleyDodds (talk) 04:03, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the notice. I'll respond there : ) - jc37 04:05, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

Madonna
I was wondering, how is it Madonna was classified by the RIAA as the Best Selling Female Rock Artist of the 20th century? After reviewing her albums, I see she's done a few rock-oriented albums, but is it simply based on the fact that she out sold pure rock-based artists/groups? I've also heard the argument that rock n roll evolved into what we consider contemporary pop music. Bookkeeperoftheoccult (talk) 09:37, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Thriller - Themes and genre
Hi, there, before we put the artice up for FA again, we really need to sort out the "Themes and Genre" section. Yes its unsourced at the moment but it all came from a book i have so i can add them later. Can you look at the section and help improve it so that it would qualify for FA, i literally allow you to do what the hell you like, i dont mind im at a loss. All i know is that we need to talk about the music itself. Please, please, please help and please contact me. Cheers. -- Realist 2 ( 'Come Speak To Me' ) 02:30, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Sandman
I've started a discussion here. Can you participate? Thanks. Nightscream (talk) 14:04, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Supergrass Peer Review
Hi

Could you please review the Supergrass article please? . I would like the article to be GA so if there are ways to improve it please let me know in the review.

Thanks, --TwentiethApril1986 (talk) 15:41, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

White Stripes
Should I include it? Apart from allmusic and Wikipedia I haven't seen the term anywhere. Knowing the way allmusic is with genres I won't be surprised to see synth rock there sometime soon. indopug (talk) 10:19, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Could you check Be Here Now? Apparently the album is a classic now. Needs a wayback revert I think. Also, the page has moved toe Be Here Now (album) for some reason. indopug (talk) 19:36, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Featured article candidates/Soundgarden. Do you think it has any chance? indopug (talk) 19:02, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Have you ever played with this thing? One rather odd statistic is that My Chemical Romance gets 50% more readership than Pearl Jam. indopug (talk) 08:18, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Any idea why Foo Fighters got six times the regular readership on 11th Feb? indopug (talk) 08:59, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Are you a fan of this template? It seems to be the new standard I think; its spreading everywhere. indopug (talk) 00:28, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Not a bad idea; but you'd do good finding a Photoshopper. I just fumble with MS Paint and hope for the best. indopug (talk) 17:28, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Thank you

 * At least one more Powderfinger FA on the way too! ) dihydrogen monoxide (H2O) 00:13, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

David Grohl
Well, I have moved it to David Grohl (musician).  Otolemur crassicaudatus  (talk) 08:19, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I was unable re-move it, so I asked administrator Marasmusine's help. He moved this article to the previous title.  Otolemur crassicaudatus  (talk) 08:28, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Smashing Pumpkins
i don't understand why you kept taking the singles off of the main page. Every other artist page has it on their front page and its good for advertising the band. It's hard as hell to find the discography, since it's barely visible. Allow me to put the singles on the front page thus the band can be more recognized. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.58.136.138 (talk) 23:19, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Sugar kisses ...
Ah right, thanks for that. I'll double check the ones I've added to see if they need removing. Thanks for the offer of sources as well, I noticed you added the NME review to Porcupine, I'll be sure to give you a shout! Cheers --JD554 (talk) 06:05, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

They'll be drawing straws inside the courtroom
Its fruging brilliant; "A question from Japan"! Anyway, I'm in a rough mood tonight, listening to versions of this. Its great, women leaves him, so he orders his war council, and orders destruction of all that surrounding him. What a bitch! (Thats not actually what's going on, but it suits my black hearted mood tonight.) Ceoil (talk) 21:22, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Grand, we're both angsty, but Ourgiggr just out classed us both in the none more black stakes . Oh dear, drama coming. I have to admit I do like Outriggr related drama, maybe arbcom is the best place to voice my concern about this. Ceoil (talk) 23:43, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I got a few rare Joy Division docs on .avi; wondering how I could get them to you. Ceoil (talk) 23:01, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 137,000 & 800,000 kb. Soulseek? Ceoil (talk) 23:20, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I could try and mail the 137mb file, if you have a good connection. Ceoil (talk) 23:21, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Cloverfield is just great, even though I could choke most of the characters, who are all annoying, flat, and two dimensional. Still, by the end of the film they're all dead. Ceoil (talk) 23:29, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
 * The great thing about the Wired doc, is that Hook, Morley and Wilson spend a fair amount of time giving out about London, vs. Manchester. I really identify with that, as a Corkonian living in contempt of the self-satification of Dublin. My mother hasn't been in Dublin since 1976, which is amazing as its only up the road. I asked her why, and she said why would I want to go there? Ha! Exactly. The doc has footage of strawberry studios, and has Gretton bitching about both Morley and Corbijn, in a Noel-like way. Ceoil (talk) 23:34, 23 [May 2008 (UTC)
 * The doc was made just after the substance comp was released, and when asked "why now, why was it released at this paticular time" Wilson goes into a long superlative ramble about legacy and distance, while Gretton says its to "help us with our little tax problem". He the man. Ceoil (talk) 23:42, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Mail. Ceoil (talk) 00:14, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 1, 2, dublin langer, 4. Ceoil (talk) 23:14, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
 * No that's the city accent. We are much more refined out in the sticks, than those tools and spanners in the city. Ceoil (talk) 23:27, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Ha! We have the magic roundabout in cork, they have the mad cow roundabout in Dublin. Ours is waaaay better like, and has on average six more collisions a day than what them has. Anyway, got a "This video is not available in your country." msg when I clicked on your last link. Feck. Ceoil (talk) 23:37, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Green day? Surely ye have produced some thing better that them? The Queen link was great, bty. Ceoil (talk) 23:49, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
 * filthy hippies? Ha ha hahaha. What about beach boys, doors...oh yeah see waht you mean. I do like black flag, camper van beethoven, and early bangles, but ye have yet to apologise for and expalin why: Huey Lewis & The News. Ceoil (talk) 23:57, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh my. That explains that away so; weird! Anyway, Gluck, need to tend to the fac..........Ceoil (talk) 00:02, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Have a listen; it does not rock exactly, but its pretty special. Ceoil (talk) 00:15, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Raise you one. Can't find the Fire Engines on youtube, but I did find this. Ceoil (talk) 00:40, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Christ. Did you see Fenian Swine's edit summary? Class. Ceoil (talk) 22:35, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
 * What a great choice, suits my mood perfectly. Had been listening to this, and even this. Women eh, who needs 'em. Ceoil (talk) 22:03, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Pah! More like. Ceoil (talk) 22:13, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

PiL Ceoil (talk) 23:21, 29 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Sometimes you better of dead cause the gun in your hand is pointing at your head. Tell me that is not just great. Smashing video too (the director later did the Francis bio, so extra kudos). Ceoil (talk) 21:01, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry to bombard you, but Jesus Christ!! Ceoil (talk) 21:07, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

What the fuck with the INXS link? Are you trolling me cause you can get blocked for that sort of thing. Also, a competition; in the next couple of hrs, your 5 most heartbroken songs...on youtube. I'm fairly fucking heartbroken (even though I was too good for her!!! ;-)) so this would do me good. No Wedding Present or Shellac. Ceoil (talk) 21:52, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I though I had an ace in my seleve with the Waterboys' "We will not be lovers". But the bastard is not on you-tube. I was going to go for Van Morrisons "Ballerina", but thats not there either. Then there was the first verse of "Long, Long, Long Time" (the rest is shit), but no luck. Then I was going to go for "For No One", but you, fucker, beat me to it. Disaster! So I'm scrambling my password and GOODBYE FOREVER CRUEL WIKIPEDIA! Ceoil (talk) 22:53, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Jesus - How could I forget - this and this. The funny thing is That Woman lives in one of the buildings behind the hay-penny bridge Philo is standing on in the opening minutes. Dublin IS SHIT. Ceoil (talk) 23:08, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Highlander is always in my top 5 movies. SOOOOOOOOOoooo so so so great. More heartbroken links, please. And be ruthless - she was some bitch. Ceoil (talk) 23:33, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Never heard it before! Its brilliant, I love it! Thanks............Ceoil (talk) 23:39, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
 * However, it does rather remind me of The Black. Ceoil (talk) 23:42, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for number 4. Aren't Buzzcocks brilliant. I think i might have given you this already. Oh, I do likethe first 2 Prefab sprout albums (showing my age!). Ceoil (talk) 09:12, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

You call that angry? Ha ha ha ha ha. I should take you out on a pub crawl in Belfast sometime, plenty of anger there still to serve everyone. Um, at the risk of turning to the "Frames guy", this is suitably miserable. Oh sweet misery, my only friend....! Ceoil (talk) 16:05, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh Jesus. When you find yourseld listening to this and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-BcuZBZFk60&feature=related this] on a Saturday night, you know things are bad. Eeuf. Ceoil (talk) 22:53, 31 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Oh dude, don't get me started on the subties of the fall. Listen to maybe their fines moment and the drop ins - Sequence stars were no good for making carbon in this way. Red giant stars...... [ surplayed ] .Disfigured in a lady, tedious. Was over accountant's and on business / Then I woke up and I decided to recommence my diary / Then I read Paula Yates on vision cokeheads... For me thats about as spectral as you can get. Oh, I do love the fall! Ceoil (talk) 23:10, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Talk Talk. Ceoil (talk) 00:30, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Are you ready to be.... Ceoil (talk) 12:44, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Ok, I win the heartbreak contest. Although, lets not forget Hey, is Dee Dee home. Pink Floyd would be an interesting physco-drama, except that they leave me cold, and I'll busy that week pulling out my own teeth. So no thanks. Ceoil (talk) 23:44, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Right. To be honest I really couldn't give a fuck. Pink Floyd? Nah. In other news I've just discovered "Ballerina", from Astral Weeks. I always though it was tacked on at the end, but it's brilliant. Ceoil (talk) 23:50, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, that would beat Kenny Rodgers. I do think that between yourself, myself and Indopug, we could cook up something good; I'll have a look at yer discussion and pipe in. Ceoil (talk) 00:00, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Joy Division
I saw that you reverted most of my edits to the Joy Division article. I posted some comments on the article's talk page, maybe you can look into these issues. Thank you. – Ilse@ 10:03, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Done ;)
Put DNOTD up for GA. My perfectionism probably means I've lost motivation to edit Wikipedia at the moment; before my editing level dropped (massively), I had writer's block on Bad Moon Rising, The Replacements, DNOTD.

Hopefully I'll be able to work on those, and expand Kim Deal. The trouble I have with quite a few articles is that I have plenty of sources up until a point (and usually write a lot of content), and then find it very hard to continue it to the finish. It sucks!

I appreciate the walking wombat on your talk page by the way. A nice touch. Much happened in the alt. music project while I've been "away"? CloudNine (talk) 23:17, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Piper LP
Hi Wesley, I see you re-applied your removal of 2 items on The Piper at the Gates of Dawn page. I have not edited the page again, but I'm still questioning these changes. I'm fairly new at WP, and have many Pink Floyd pages on my watchlist to gain experience in using WP, and take an interest in new changes, often reverting. When I see info removed, I consider the efforts of the person who put it in originally, as well as the concerns of the person who removed it. Here are my thoughts about these edits:

I have never seen a guideline that says an album should ideally have only one genre, but maybe that's not your reason for making the change. "Space rock" was undoubtably added in reference to "Interstellar Overdrive". I do recall an interview where someone (Waters?) dismissed the idea that IO is a pioneering example of space rock, or is space rock at all. Maybe that's why you removed it? I suspect members of PF and other bands often have opinions about their own work which vary greatly from their fans, and this is a good example. I don't see how a case can be made for saying IO is NOT a classic example of space rock. Also, the track is so different from most others on the album, and I think this justifies listing more than one genre.

Regarding removal of the review, I am concerned about how Pink Floyd, a British band, has so many Americanized references on WP. In fact, the reason I have so many PF pages on my watch list, is I noticed someone complaining on a talk page that most of their albums had US but not UK chart statistics, even though their early material had much more chart activity in the UK, and where both were present, the US stat was usually shown first. I agreed this should be changed, looked up info on the UK chart websites, and updated relevant pages. Getting back to reviews: on the Piper page, there were 6 reviews, of which 4 were American websites, 1 was a British magazine without website link (presumably printed review, non-website), and 1 British website, which is the one you removed. Your edit summary says "not a notable reviewer", so maybe it's the reviewer rather than the website you object to. I would question whether this reviewer might be better known in the UK than the other American reviews are. (I'm not located in the UK, so I don't know the answer, but it seems a reasonable guess that he might be.) I read the review, and I don't see anything that makes it, or the reviewer, or the website less professional than the others. So I don't see the problem, and I think it's good that we have at least one linkable review from the UK in this article.

Let me know what you think. Thanks! --A Knight Who Says Ni (talk) 00:50, 28 May 2008 (UTC)


 * I've asked for opinions about it on the talk page, and reverted so others can see what was being removed. Please wait for some replies before changing the article again, so we can determine some concensus.  Thanks. --A Knight Who Says Ni (talk) 08:42, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

The Cure and Carliertwo
Hi. Following a comment on my talkpage I left this reply on the above editors talkpage. I hope that the two of you will be able to resolve this matter between the two of you, and my only comment upon the content is that since it is cited and quotes the article subjects mainstay - and has been included in the article since early this year - I feel it is up to you to prove the case for the removal of the text. However, like I said it shouldn't be a matter needing outside intervention except perhaps inviting the views of some other article editors to provide the appropriate consensus. Cheers. LessHeard vanU (talk) 20:03, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Knockin' back Prozac
I've laid out the basic structure of the article. I need sourcing help mainly for the Recording, Composition and Video sections--there's been more than enough about the Battle of Britpop on the Internet (in particular, I found an excellent 2005 John Harris Q article reprint), so I'll handle that. Thanks, indopug (talk) 20:12, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Warning: There are genre disputes, plagiarism allegations and disputes sales figures on a scale we hardly ever see at the ALM. (Worse, I've heard serious rumblings from the major Zep editors to consider Coda as the ninth studio album)
 * Do you have access to Blur: 3862 Days, The Official History? This seems to be a reprint, but we'll need to check for accuracy and find page numbers. indopug (talk) 08:45, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
 * The Sabbath article isn't evil enough yet; not enough about the devil worship and what-not. User:Skeletor2112 whipped it into shape, and I contributed to the peer review, but he's hardly been on since. I'd blame the article length's on too detailed touring information. BTW, here is said discussion and there is no way this edit is gonna stay that way. indopug (talk) 17:38, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Woah! I didn't know they actually went through with it. I just saw the talk page discussion until now. There's an edit war at the band template's page too. I'm gonna be totally Zen though. indopug (talk) 17:52, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

How about something by the Cocteaus...I've only heard Treasure. indopug (talk) 11:53, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I doubt they even reviewed them at all; music was so not the point of the Battle. And could you ask Raul to make the necessary change? indopug (talk) 23:58, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Sure thing. I'm surprised you haven't mentioned "About a Girl" in Background; wasn't it a "sign of things to come"? indopug (talk) 08:10, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Just curious: do you have any idea what Zep/Page and Sabbath/Iommi thought of each other's music? I've heard both bands referred as influential tons of times, but never the one talk about the other. indopug (talk) 21:32, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I'd say the first four of those wouldn't pass an FAC right now. Motorhead kinda disintegrates in the bottom half too. indopug (talk) 22:49, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Are The New Radicals alt-rock? If so, our Wall of FAme needs updating. indopug (talk) 23:13, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
 * If you have problems with The Beatles' lead, why not revert to the version which was on the front page? indopug (talk) 08:43, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Fun fact: Number of Beatles' friends-and-family members GAs: 14. Number of Beatles' albums GAs: zero. indopug (talk) 17:45, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

While I'm the farthest from being an expert, I believe Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi is more frequently used than Mohandas Gandhi. indopug (talk) 20:51, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Freeeeeeee!!! indopug (talk) 23:09, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I should be flattered, but why do I get angry when I see this? moved your comments on my talk to the previous section by the way indopug (talk) 14:56, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Totally agree with you on that one; I never saw what the big deal was with them. I guess they were a lot more sexual than the other three. I have plans of working on "Bittersweet Symphony" and making the Stones come out like the soul-less corporates they are. indopug (talk) 22:01, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Hmmm, any 64-year old who would wear a head-band would make me suspicious. Another band I just can't see the point of: Deep Purple. They're alright and all, but when they are mentioned in the same vein as Black Sabbath and Led Zeppelin, it pisses me off. indopug (talk) 22:26, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Heh, I don't 'really' like them; actually I don't even know them too well beyond their singles. But their's is a great story, worth writing about (I figured). I just want to get a couple of their major articles up to good/featured status. indopug (talk) 08:23, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, after you wrote about it in the article (it isn't on Best of Blur). indopug (talk) 08:51, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I have access to the Classic Album video; working on the Who seems to be more stress-free in terms of dealing with Good-Faith editors who don't have a clue. I redirected more than 70 song articles back to their articles (and left a note about it at the Who "Wikiproject") and the only grief I got about it were from two editors for Who-unrelated reasons. We should transfer stuff from the R.E.M. discography workspace to the article, by the way. indopug (talk) 22:37, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I just noticed. What do we do? indopug (talk) 02:21, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually the case is different from Cite Web; because the output display is so different. There's actually a suggestion at the bottom of that talk page " " to give "5. "I love beer" (happypal) – 3:21" which is a much better solution IMO. indopug (talk) 02:45, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Even more pointless for NIN... indopug (talk) 02:45, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
 * EDIT WARRRR. The link he provides doesn't say that we must use a table too "Although the use of tables to display lists is discouraged (because it introduces unnecessarily complex code and makes editing difficult), there are some instances where they can be useful, such as when three columns and more are required." indopug (talk) 06:39, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Check out A Day in the Life, it has a section called "After the chord". indopug (talk) 21:09, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

There's a discussion at WT:ALBUM regarding the Tracklisting template. indopug (talk) 21:14, 12 June 2008 (UTC) but is there hope after all?! indopug (talk) 23:11, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I've just been trying to knock some modicum of structure into the album articles actually. Could you help with Let It Be? Just the sight of five track-lists in a single article depresses me. indopug (talk) 23:24, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Maybe some statistics will change your opinion? I don't really give a ____, but I'm sure you'll have to fend against arguments like how it was named after the Fabs album (so the original gets preference) ... it'll cause too much drama. I'm happy removing "In popular culture" sections and those tables with the Catalogue number of the 1986 Japanese vinyl reissue. indopug (talk) 09:51, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Guess not. We'll ad it later if we find anything about it.

Would you mind if I redirected this to the discography? Comments on its non-consensus AfD suggest the same too. indopug (talk)
 * Do you think the pictures of the washboard and banjo in the The Quarrymen article are relevant in any way? I didn't, and removed them; but the primary editor got all violent and left me a message calling me a blind Napoleon with a slow computer. indopug (talk) 08:15, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for that. I guess the moral of the story is not to step within fifty feet of all matters John.Paul.George.Ringo on Wikipedia. (Will you just look at his comments here! It explains a lot about the state of that Wikiproject)
 * What's with the Aftermath section of the Britpop article, it simply details the careers of bands into years after the scene ended. A clean snip is in order I think. indopug (talk) 14:18, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

 Could you recommend a few bands that came up in the last 3-4 years? I love Arcade Fire& The Libertines, but know little else. indopug (talk) 17:35, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Could you keep an eye the Blur article? I need to get to bed. Also note that the IP's a suspected sock, so admin action might be warranted. indopug (talk) 00:40, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Bridge
I'll see what could be cut out of the article regarding "Give It Away", but the thing about his biography is pretty irrelevant. He revealed the song's meaning dozens of times before publishing Scar Tissue. Plus he discusses all the band's major or significant songs in the book, including lyric excerpts. Nothing particularly out of the ordinary with "Under the Bridge". On the Disintegration note, I'll start soon. I've been really hard-pressed what with exams several weeks ago and flying back to NY, where I am now, and getting used to the time shift. I'm here until the end of June, giving me plenty of time to do some work. Speaking of The Cure, I'm going to see them on the 20th and 21st at Madison Square and Radio City, respectively. I'm ridiculously excited. Unfortunately, their new single left more to be desired. As much as I've tried I can't seem to like post-Wish Cure. NSR 77 T C  23:33, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Charts
Sure no problem. I've got the 19th edition of the Guinness Book of British Hit Singles & Albums which covers all the Top 75 releases for both singles and albums from the beginning of the charts to 2006. It also seems to have the odd entry that goes up to the Top 100 - but I'm pretty sure that's not anywhere near comprehensive. It doesn't cover compilation albums though. A useful website I've found in addition to the book is The Zobbel Website! which covers higher listings in the charts but only for limited date ranges.

Just let me know whenever there's anything you need looking up, or is there anything in particular you'd like me to look at now? --JD554 (talk) 07:12, 30 May 2008 (UTC)

Foo Fighters
I reverted your edit removing the other projects section as I think that other articles like U2 have this to briefly explain what constituent members do outside the band. I realize there is nothing there atm but I'll add some stuff about Dave's drumming appearances and Chris Shiflett's bands - they are mentioned in the FF navbox, but hardly expanded upon at all in the main article. Tenacious D Fan (talk) 10:10, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Okay fair point. I won't revert you if you wish to take the section out. On another note, I completely missed your first message about sound clips. I'll get that done. I'll do a few - the ones you suggested, and some more (if they are not required then they can be deleted). Tenacious D Fan (talk) 10:22, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry for the delay with this. I intend to create oggs for all the singles, and all the album pages as well. Is this a good idea? Tenacious D Fan (talk) 15:49, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Newsletter
I'm kinda busy and not sure if I'll be able to get to it for a few days. If you wanna get someone else in the meantime (WP:BOTREQ works) that's cool, otherwise I'll try to get to it before next weekend. Sorry mate, dihydrogen monoxide (H2O) 03:20, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Alternative music newsletter
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NIN man
Hey man, thanks for the note. Yea, I do plan on working on some NIN-album articles soon. Ghosts is at FAC right now, and YZ will be soon. So I guess that leaves the earlier ones, huh? If you could dig up some older sources that would be awesome man. I'm definitely planning on picking up the 33⅓ book on Pretty Hate Machine whenever it (finally) comes out, but other than that I'm pretty source-less. So any help along those lines would be totally appreciated. Drewcifer (talk) 19:50, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Yea, Amazong says April, but everwhere I look it says it's not been released yet. link.  Very strange. Drewcifer (talk) 22:04, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Cool man, very nice finds. Those will definitely come in handy. Drewcifer (talk) 01:55, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

peer review
I'm seeking a peer review for Batwoman and Batgirl if you'd like to take a shot at it. How've you been btw? Haven't chatted with you in a while. The Bookkeeper  (of the Occult)  23:07, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Methinks no one care about these women. lol. that whole rant on having few FA articles a few months back and there are 3 prime candidates. There haven't been any responses on the project page. Hope all is well. The Bookkeeper   (of the Occult)  23:55, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the review. I made some adjustments to the article and left two comments/concerns to the review. The Bookkeeper   (of the Occult)  06:37, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

I'm a little flustered. I don't own No Man's Land and I'm having a hard time finding reliable sources describing Cassandra Cain's introduction online. Do you happen to own the graphic novel? The Bookkeeper  (of the Occult)  07:02, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I specified which issue it was. I just can't seem to find the details for Cain's intro as of yet. The Bookkeeper   (of the Occult)  07:42, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Do you have any final notes? I'd like to close the peer review for Batgirl. Also, will you be reviewing Batwoman? It think that article may need more work than Batgirl. Thanks again for your input. The Bookkeeper   (of the Occult)  08:24, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
 * The only think that got on my nerves was the critical analysis stuff. I new it was going to come up, but it just depresses me there isnt a lot of information on her. The Bookkeeper   (of the Occult)  05:59, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Everyhit.com
Hi Wesley, I understand about the Wiki policies on sources. No further mention of the website will be made to the opener, but having checked my copy of Guiness British Hit Singles I can confirm the original statement is true, to the best of my knowledge. No other act has had more Hits in the UK Top 40 Singles w/o a no. 1. best, Sunil060902 (talk) 11:35, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Can ... worms ... everywhere! --JD554 (talk) 12:05, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

The Beatles‎
Date of formation: Basic it may be; certain it is not. Was it at the Woolton Fete? Was it when Best joined, or when he was kicked out in favour of Ringo, or was it somewhere in between when Johhny & The Moondogs became the Silver Beetles or when they finally settled on "The Beatles"? That's why I used the word "moot" in my edit summary. You tell me when they actually "formed". -- Rodhull andemu  00:03, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

a-ha
AllMusicGuide sais that there music is a subgenre to alternative rock. So they should be a part of wikiproject alternative music. --Alive Would? Sun (talk) 18:28, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

The Beatles
I strongly suggest you stop editing without achieving consensus, lest anyone accuses you of taking ownership of this article. Editors who have been around for a while are not generally best pleased by other editors, however well-intentioned, arriving and saying "I'm going to do this", and just doing it. It doesn't work like that, even though you say it can be reverted, and I guess it will be. There is a proper pace and structure to be followed, and a culture of existing editors to respect. I'm going to try & get some sleep here as it's now 03:37 am, but I'm pretty sure I will be expected to clean up the mess tomorrow. Just please don't leave me a bloody battleground to mop up. Festina lente, as they say. -- Rodhull andemu  02:37, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
 * You may have a degree in English; I have some degrees too but that doesn't give me any right to override consensus anywhere. However, I'm going to go to bed now in the hope that you will work *with* other editors and not *against* them, and before I block you for disruption, because as I have pointed out to Realist2, I would be criticised, if not de-sysopped, for that. Tomorrow (and tomorrow, and tomorrow...) -- Rodhull andemu  02:49, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Joy Division Zune
Although I doubt it's noteworthiness, I think BurningZeppelin will have been referring to this. --JD554 (talk) 09:25, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
 * It truly is appalling, as are the other bonus tracks on the 2003 reissue (with the exception Never Stop). I'm not sure why record companies insist on using early versions as bonus tracks – if they were any good they'd have been on the original – rare b-sides, live tracks etc fair enough, but early versions suck.--JD554 (talk) 11:33, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Which proves my point, they're live versions from the Life at Brian's and Crystal Days sessions and "Angels and Devils" was a b-side. --JD554 (talk) 11:38, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, will do --JD554 (talk) 08:54, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Freekily enough I just started reading it this morning. I was going to read the Bunnymen bits first but I'm not sure if I want to spoil the ending ;-) --JD554 (talk) 10:12, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah it's the British version. I'm still reading the prologue at the moment but I'll get past that on the train on my way home tonight (commuting has it's uses) --JD554 (talk) 10:30, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

I did think about skipping it and going straight on to the grey album, but I do like a challenge ;-) There does seem to be plenty about the album in various sources (Adams, reviews, etc) so I should be able to get something half decent done. I also think it is quite a significant album for the EATB given the time between Ocean Rain and the grey album, it being the "parent" album for "Bring On the Dancing Horses" and the fact it was expanded and reissued as More Songs... (which I think is probably more of a reissue than a new album). But having said all that I'll probably work on the grey album at the same time to be on the safe side! --JD554 (talk) 08:47, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I've found at least one GA precedent for a compilation album - Fingerprints: The Best of Powderfinger, 1994–2000 --JD554 (talk) 09:26, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

I'm pleased that you think The Smiths discography is worthy of being A-Class, but according to Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Assessment/A-Class criteria it needs to be agreed by one other project member with a review on the talk page. Nothing ever seems to be straightforward around here. --JD554 (talk) 05:52, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Fine with me ;-) --JD554 (talk) 08:20, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Good question. And the short answer is no. I took the compilations from here, but I've just had a look on discogs.com and found a missing Peel Sessions 12"/CD EP. I'll add this but it will knock out the Best of the Peel Session compilation (which I've also just found at discogs) as not being a unique release. I'll have a good look at what else is on discogs and there may be some more to add. --JD554 (talk) 09:12, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Cheap Trick
I really don't know how someone gets to be an expert in music on Wikipedia, but it's great for a conversation subject. Pretty darn vast to even think of. I saw a few on the Alice Cooper page that was priceless. The amount of jaded comments was just a turn-off. Vicious kids.

I saw that you were brought in to show your intellectual strength on music. I guess you must know that Cheap Trick's performance at the Budokan is legendary in not only Japan but worldwide. The 1978 album gave them the success that still carries on today thanks to classic rock stations. Yep, they even crossed over to the new-wavers back then. I remember this well growing up and seeing them live. They had an instantly recognizable sound which made them who they are. Even spoke to them about it on numerous occasions.

This is what I love. You did delete quotes from Rick Neilsen about their tour with Queen that Cheap Trick were noticed by a Japanese jounalist. That man who later wrote about them in Japan and led them to worldwide success. From your point of view this means nothing. Try telling that to them. Rick Nielson's thankful for the magazine that started their career's success. I believe you did delete that. Shame. Seriously, this is priceless information about the career of the band taken away on Wikipedia. I would never delete someone's contribution on Wikipedia when rhey spent time typing it out. I don't understand this kind of mentality. I have recently read that people tend to stay away from Wikipedia for this reason. Kinda inevitable to say the least. I hope it was carefully thought out with what you did. Really. I want to tell you about the truth's I am seeing here. I had a similar episode on the Alice Cooper page. The pitter of tiny feet racing to their parents keyboard ready to delete anything that was relevant towards recent 2008 information. A dubious act.

Anyway,Cheap Trick in Japan are more than happy to have made that album I wrote of. Cheap Trick returned to Japan for that reason alone. Again it was deleted on their page by you. Vital career information scratched off about thanking Japan for their continued success with a 30th anniversary concert. Too bad you choose to take it away. I guess it is nothing special, right. Means nothing. You have been informed. But for some reason I don't think you really care.

Thank you, Electric Japan (talk) 07:25, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/fm20080418a1.html

That was added on the page and taken away,Wesley. This is current information that is useful for encyclopedic purposes.

I got nothing against information, but it has to be useful. That was. It was out of the mouth of the musician.

I am really having a hard time with all this on Wikipedia. I'm pretty upbeat about it all, but this is just too much.

In the end, it's about current infomation.

By the way, I hope you read what I said to you previously.

Thanks.

Electric Japan (talk) 07:42, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Wesley, I just read your point to the CT article. I just can't get it how something like this could be a problwm when it's suppose to add to the article in question. I use to spend more time on here but that has all changed the last few months. Productivity is a good thing when it is used to benefit others on Wikipedia. I tend to write too much about everything really, but this is not going the way it should for a writer or fan of this encyclopedia. If it wasn't relevant then I would not of put it up.

Thanks, Electric Japan (talk) 15:13, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

More NIN!
Hey man. I was wondering if I could ask a favor. I've currently got Year Zero (album) at FAC, and am doing my best to keep up with the suddenly very active FAC. One user suggested a copy edit from another user. Think you could help me out on this one? Even a quick once-over and stuff would be appreciated muchly. Either way, thanks again for those awesome NIN sources. I plan on working on the earlier albums shortly. Drewcifer (talk) 06:27, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Funny you should mention that: I love doing tables! You got yourself a deal buddy. Drewcifer (talk) 06:37, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Good stuff, thanks for the offer. Is this the one your talking about? Drewcifer (talk) 22:49, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Of course! I used that one like 20 times in the Year Zero page. Drewcifer (talk) 02:33, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

So I did what I could on In Bloom and Lithium. I came across a few problems finding sources for alot of the charts, so I labeled those with fact's and what not. Lemme know if there's anything else you need. Drewcifer (talk) 15:23, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Teen Spirit revert
Hey, I'm wondering why you reverted my earlier edit to the Smells Like Teen Spirit article? Thom (talk) 23:34, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
 * What of the section header renaming, and the extra track listings in the infobox? Surely "Musical composition" is a clearer title than "Composition"? And "Release, success and acclaim" would probably suit a different context, such as a band biography? The song also appeared in more than one official album by the band; should that not also be mentioned in the infobox? Thom (talk) 09:56, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I can honestly say I've never listened to them. What is their magnum opus? I'm assuming you are fond of The Cure, when d'you propose the Disintegration article should be tackled? Thom (talk) 10:28, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Kerrang! Legends: Foo Fighters, 2007
Hi there! Sorry to bother you, but I just happened to catch a chat of your with M3tal H3ad from last year, and saw you have the Kerrang! Legends Foo Fighters edition:) I'd like to ask if you could send the text to me in any form, scan it maybe, or I don't know. I'm not sure how long it is, I guess it's not short, so if I'm asking too much, nevermind:) I just ask cause it sounds like a great source (although I have tons of others), and I'll be working on the FF article later, and I am currently working on The Colour and the Shape album (making it a FA hopefully). So, for starters, the parts about this album would be more than enough.. So, that's it:) Thank you very much in advance. Gocsa (talk) 11:29, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, but since I don't know what's in it, I don't know if I need any citations from it:) I don't know if there's anything new in it, I guess so since it's a pretty long and comprehensive summary of the band's history. For example, if there's anything about the second album by the band members/producer/critics/etc. in retrospect, I'd definitely want to know:) Maybe I'll ask some other Foo fans, or the fooarchive.com if they have it:) Gocsa (talk) 22:18, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Some stuff about the tour might interest me, but it's possible I won't need it, I'm only in early stages of the article's development:) There's a 1997 Guitar World article up on the fooarchive.com, here, is it the same? Gocsa (talk) 22:24, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Hey, by the way, sorry to bother you with this, but does this page work for you, or is it only me who can't see anything? I mean, it opens and I see everything, the years on the left, and I can click them, but then no text appears, none of the years work. Gocsa (talk) 23:07, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Drain You
Hey just wondering why you keep reverting my edit of Drain You. I put the page number and quotation on it like you asked...

Oldies
Half Man Half Biscuit, Membranes, Waterboys, Pogues, Nirvana, Sonic Youth. Ceoil (talk) 17:48, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Polly
Why does Wikipedia think that all Nirvana's songs should be classified as simply "grunge" by default? "Polly" lacks the heavy guitar and angsty vocals that grunge is usually defined by. If you have an explanation, I would love to hear it. But please at least put something on my talk page.

Tezkag72 (talk) 23:15, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Is it okay, then, if I add "alternative rock" to that and to a couple other Nirvana songs?

Tezkag72 (talk) 02:06, 15 June 2008 (UTC)

Interesting Cover
Have you heard The Wild Swans's cover of Love will tear us Apart? Its good, although the vocals sound like Lloyd Cole - its a bit in "the club style" Ceoil  sláinte 19:12, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Ceoil sláinte 19:18, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

June 2008
Please do not delete content or templates from pages on Wikipedia without explaining the valid reason for the removal in the edit summary. Your content removal does not appear constructive, and has been reverted. Please make use of the sandbox if you'd like to experiment with test edits. Wikiscribe (talk) 19:41, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

June 2008
Welcome to Wikipedia. Although everyone is welcome to make constructive contributions to Wikipedia, at least one of your recent edits did not appear to be constructive and has been reverted or removed. Please use the sandbox for any test edits you would like to make, and take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. Wikiscribe (talk) 19:44, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

do you want to check allmusic.com again and see they are labeled post grunge as well and how about the new york times source who also call them post grunge or are you above the new york times--Wikiscribe (talk) 20:28, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Wesley, this is going to go on and on and on, and on. Can you refute on the talk and put this to bed. Or else. Ceoil  sláinte 21:15, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

dodds whats wrong with having all points of view that is what wikipedia is all about,and i mean come on you know as well as i do some crtics and the general public consider them post-grunge (as sources say) as well  and on the other side of the coin they are considered by other citics to be grunge as well as others in the general public,also whats wrong with that source from that pitchfork site they are a media music site like allmusic.com--Wikiscribe (talk) 21:26, 19 June 2008 (UTC)


 * (ec) A band can't be both grunge and post-grunge can they? I'm no genre expert though; what ticked me were the unexplained removal of the properly-formatted discography and re-addition of a few sentences cited by Ticketmaster of all things. indopug (talk) 21:29, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Under the Bridge
Couldn't you have told me the article needed more work?? Here I am standing in the dark. :) Whether I fix it or not, I'm leaving Wikipedia very very soon, permanently. Tired of this bullshit. I could use your help to finish the FAC, though. Please? NSR 77  T C  03:45, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, by leaving I kind of mean no more heavy editing for a good long while. I'll still check in and stuff. Oh, by the way, going to be at Madison Square in five hours looking at Robert Smith. I got an email that said Fuse TV is playing the show starting at 11 EST, so I assume it'll be 8 PST. Don't forget to watch! NSR 77  T C  19:26, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
 * They were amazing. Absolutely incredible. At Radio City, Robert walked up the side stairs and into the balcony during "Close to Me" and "Kyoto Song". He was so fucking funny. He made fun of himself the entire time, it was really quite amusing. His distinctive voice is even more evident in person. They played everything; everything except "Disintegration" and "Plainsong", the two songs I wanted to hear most. Haha. I've got some pictures, I'll send them to you if you'd like. The last song they played of the main set list at Radio City was "Bloodflowers" and while they walked off I saw Robert wiping away tears. It was beautiful. NSR 77  T C  19:55, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I guess I was expecting it to be a bit more difficult. Even though I said I'm not going to be doing anything, I really want to work on Disintegration. NSR 77  T C  06:02, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

You've convinced me! The second week in July I start a long list of trips, but I'll still be around some of the time. There's some information in the Join The Dots box-set about the era, regarding tracks Robert felt were great but didn't fit in with the rest of the record. I saw the commercial for the Cure concert and he said "forefathers of indie rock." What? NSR 77 T C  06:14, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Hey, for the June newsletter would you mind using a quote from Frusciante? It'd be awesome. I'll give you the quote if you agree. NSR 77  T C  22:55, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
 * It's probably one of the funniest things I've ever heard someone say. Jack Osbourne asked him a question on MTV about whether he liked dogs or cats and this is part of his response: "I've gotten into communication states with cats where I know I heard their voices in my head and we'd sit around and have conversations with each other. Like me and one cat there, one cat there and one cat there and I would sit there for like three hours talking to them before I realized 'I can't believe I've been talking to cats for three hours'" Hahahah. I've been saving it for the month "Under the Bridge" got promoted. NSR 77  T C  00:15, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Drain you (again)
This is ridiuclous- according to Wikiscribe, Wikipedia is all about putting out all points of view. This is exactly what I am doing with the Drain You article. All I'm doing is suggesting an interpretation of the song that some people might find informative/helpful. In no way do I imply that it is the definitive interpretation of the song whatsoever. Bar me from editing if you so choose but by doing that you will be going against what has made Wikipedia such a valuable and useful site in the past; allowing people who don't have an influential job in the media to try and impart some of their knowledge to other people around the world. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.46.37.63 (talk) 17:36, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

In Utero songs.
I was just wondering why you redirected many of the songs on the album to the album's article. I think the songs deserve their own articles. Please get back to me on this. --Omarraii (talk) 18:26, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

Help
After you have had your corn flakes, can you give me a hand with the FU for. Ceoil sláinte 20:56, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

re. Fair use stuff
Well, I deleted that image of Commons, which should help. It's definitely a derivative work. If they are persistent, ANI is generally a jack of all trades place to go to... I'm not sure of where more specific to go. giggy (O) 04:46, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
 * All should be deleted now. giggy (O) 04:50, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

I Should Coco copyedit
We seem to be getting in each other's way a bit on this article. I'll quit for now so you can finish up what you're doing. Could you drop me a note when I should come back for a copyedit? Thanks. -- AnnaFrance  (talk)  16:03, 21 June 2008 (UTC)


 * No problem about the references. I've had nothing to do with them, and hadn't planned on it. But I want to make sure that all text-moving and substantive additions are done before I begin again. -- AnnaFrance  (talk)  00:58, 22 June 2008 (UTC)


 * No argument at all. I'm sure the moves were totally warranted. Just let me know when you're done. If a copyedit is still desired, that is. I was asked to do it, but I do have several other articles on my desk right now, and if the copyedit is not wanted, don't worry about saying so. Cheers. -- AnnaFrance  (talk)  01:09, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Re: The Baseball Project
I wasn't aware of their existence until I saw them on Letterman last night. Wasn't too impressed, but it's good to see something different. - Dudesleeper / Talk  20:36, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

PSB
I reverted your change to the Pet Shop Boys article - it was kind of a bizarre change (i would have considered it the work of a vandal were it not for the seemingly valid other wikipedia work you've done). ? Quaeler (talk) 08:45, 23 June 2008 (UTC)


 * As you decided to reply to this on my talk page, i've put the reply to your reply there... Quaeler (talk) 09:50, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Edit-war on V for Vendetta
Can you two (User:WesleyDodds and User:MadiZone) knock off the edit-war and discuss it on the | talk page, please?

Cheers, This flag once was red   07:34, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Incidentally, you're both at three reverts each. This flag once was red  07:37, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Pearl Jam discography
Thank you very much for your compliments regarding the Pearl Jam discography. I appreciate it.-5- (talk) 13:45, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Girly-pop
Just letting you know that Girly-pop was prodded already on June 10th. Technically, articles can only be prodded once, and then must go to AfD. -Andrew c [talk] 17:18, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Alt-rock
Erm. Boy, would that be a long list. Let's just say I went through the obligatory punkish-oriented, proto-emo phase (Fugazi, Sunny Day Real Estate, et al.), had a brief run-in with nu metal (!, including Trapt and P.O.D. appreciation) and started drifting towards what is now generally described as indie rock a few years ago. I've always liked Foo Fighters and U2 (since I first heard either), and strangely enough, both are still in the short list of bands I could listen to all day; recent additions to the list (past couple of years) have included French Kicks, British Sea Power, and Editors (partly due to their unbelievable cover of "French Disko"). On the barely-south-of-mainstream front: I'm not ashamed to say The Verve changed my life, I'm a huge Stereophonics fan, and my ears once led me to believe Matt Bellamy was God (probably when I first heard "Unintended"). And I've been a jazz fan throughout all of the above. Fvasconcellos (t·c) 00:27, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Hey, thanks for the recommendations. I like what little I've heard from Mission of Burma, and Heaven Up Here is a big favorite of mine ;) Fvasconcellos (t·c) 13:38, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Americans
I reverted your vanelism on my user space, you evil fecking bastard. Anyway, spent the last hour or two on file share looking for Spiritualised, and found nothing. Then typed in Spiritualized, and loads of hits...? What is the world coming to? Ceoil sláinte 21:23, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, thats drugs for you. Any "love is shit" links please. I'm all Wedding presented out. Ceoil  sláinte 21:38, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I think this is might fine, no matter the horific cover version in the early 1990s. So there. And she is so pleasing on the eys. This is worth looking into; but the link is v lo fi. . Ceoil  sláinte 21:50, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
 * To my surprise I like "Don't Want to Know"; very bitter. Never got Husker Du, although both Bob and Grant's solo stuff is great. Ceoil  sláinte 13:42, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Not sure if Crusty music ever reached LA, but during the early 90s, Cork was becheached by the feckers. Where I lived there were tns of the dirty hair feckers. In fairness they made some great music RDF btp. The singer of RDF was a paticular bastard, noted for spikeing drinks with shrooms. Not nice. At all. Ceoil  sláinte 13:57, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Hmm. Love is shit links please. Ceoil  sláinte 16:26, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

Don't go back to Chatteris
Can't find a vid; but this is great. Half Man Half Biscuit? Great. In other news, todays letter of the day is KoL. Ceoil sláinte 02:33, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
 * God, the Clash looked great in their day didn't they. Over here only journalists like them anymore. Mick did some great work with the Pogues; I would definatly recommend that album, what ever its called; its about 15 years since I listended to it but its from that film with Kurt Cobains wife in it. Anyway, as a stray thought; is Cait O'Riordan hot or what? My personal openion is: hot. Ceoil  sláinte 02:49, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
 * All you need to know is she is very well put together and she sang haunted. Let your imagination fill in the rest. Ceoil  sláinte 03:05, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Whats the problem? Ceoil  sláinte 03:12, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I saw rem in marley park last year; and it was so shit. I realise all concerts in dublin are intrinsically poor, but this was espically so. My advice is avoid dublin, and avoid rem. Corporate rock? Nah. Ceoil  Non visto ... Provvedi 22:55, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Endlos Endlos
Zen. There are a lot of Germans in my family and circle (cork is about 70% Iirsh, 15% German, 15% Polish), and while they annoy me on many levels, they do do music extronariadly well, in fairness. Ceoil sláinte 17:23, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Any interst in stepping outside your area and helping ce Roman-Persian Wars. Its first rate, but needs a shove. Ceoil  sláinte 18:07, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh Yeah! Ceoil  Non visto ... Provvedi 21:14, 28 June 2008 (UTC) ...pun derived from here.  Ceoil  Non visto ... Provvedi 21:21, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Spent the last hour or so listening to Husker Du. Oh my. Stange that at this hour of my life I realised I missed such a stong band.

m'kay; explain to me now why I should care about Missions of Burma; or even Fugazi; or even Black flag; American. Ceoil Non visto ... Provvedi 22:29, 28 June 2008 (UTC)#
 * I've seen Fugazi 11 or 12 times live so far, and though I think they are great the pious thing does not work for me. Still "corny cover of Suggestion" is very close to my 'favourite' track, and mckay is very much an underappreciated guitarist. Ceoil  Non visto ... Provvedi 22:46, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Jeez..wow. Ceoil  Non visto ... Provvedi 22:52, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
 * You know I never really got Pearl Jam, though my brothers swear by them. You might educiate me. Ceoil  Non visto ... Provvedi 23:09, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I guess we should also swap top 5 Neil young songs. Rounding to five is hard, but lets try. Ceoil  Non visto ... Provvedi 23:12, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
 * ;0 Ceoil  Non visto ... Provvedi 23:27, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Fire away with Pearl Jam, please. Neil is good, and he does loniless better than anyone. Ceoil  Non visto ... Provvedi 00:05, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Here is a good Neil track, very precieprnt if you ever happen to spend more than 5 minutes in Ireland, sadly.. Ceoil  Non visto ... Provvedi 09:11, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
 * To my surprise I really like it. Well, god, amazing that I would find two major bands - perl jam and Husker du in one weekend; at this stage in my life! And sure I'll watch the Souxie page. By the way, I think its about time we sorted out Unknown Pleasures. Ceoil  Non visto ... Provvedi 09:18, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Deal. In the meantime; any openion on the FAC Tea & Sympathy. My first impression was that the article is slight, but digging through sources I found nothing more. I'm inclined to support at this stage; but your openion would be great. Ceoil  Non visto ... Provvedi 09:27, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I knew but never has the stomack to listen to it. I'll close with this french bubblegum. Ceoil  Non visto ... Provvedi 09:44, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh my. If you do meet her; say hello from me! Ok focus. Its about a month since I actually added any content, so lets do this. Remember back when you were working on JD, I posted articles from rock's back pages on my userspace. I don't suppose you remember where? Ceoil  Non visto ... Provvedi 09:54, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Do you know any free hosting sites that I could upload thoes JD/Factory docs to, so you could get at them. Have you seen the "Pub In Altrincham A Suburb Of Manchester" version of Shes lost Control? Its so good. Ceoil  Non visto ... Provvedi 10:01, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I do think Live in New York is close. I does need work; but there are the guts of a fine article there. Lots of sources, and a very interesting back story. You havn't developed the hook enough yet, but it could be a great album article. Ceoil  Non visto ... Provvedi 10:13, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Am, In Bloom needs a prose run through, nothing major, but its certainly FA standard. I would be very pleased to see it nominated as it raises the bar and sets a good example for song articles in general. Do you have many more of these up you sleeve? What a plesent surprise. Ceoil  Non visto ... Provvedi 10:20, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
 * This is genuinely exciting. Iggy and the stooges, ha! The voice over is so so funny, they have no idea, and notice when the link guy talks about the "kids" the other guy laughs in his face. Fantastic. Iggy is the man, and one seriouslt bad MF..."It seems like Iggy has fallen into the crowd..for the third time...we seem to have lost him...there there are..." Oh, nice. Ceoil  Non visto ... Provvedi 11:17, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Uploaded the pub version here, the doc will be there too in an hour or so. This kind of thing is so special and pure its beyond comment. It always amazes me that Hannet had the balls to twist them them they way he did, and tbh I think he made the right move. The pitching of the tom toms on the album version of the track is just so good. Ceoil  Non visto ... Provvedi 11:39, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Found Ciat - 3:11 . Nice, no? Ceoil  Non visto ... Provvedi 18:45, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Staind
Staind is post-grunge and in the infobox it sais they are alternative rock. --Be Black Hole Sun (talk) 16:36, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Disintegration
Yeah, I'm definitely going to have to write in with American spelling and then we'll go back and change it to English. Otherwise, it's impossible for me. But hey, at least the article has started. NSR 77 T C  23:54, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I didn't realize it but the era is probably the most interesting in The Cure's history, so the article may be pretty long. I haven't read this part of Never Enough in a while so the intensity really escaped me. NSR 77  T C  23:59, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
 * No problem. It's a fantastic album. What did you have in mind? NSR 77  T C  04:43, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
 * You definitely want to include that, but I think most of it can be summed up with "the sound check was difficult and tense, blah blah blah." How long did you want it? NSR 77  T C  05:48, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

You may like to know I recently took another listen to Ten and...well...it's quite good. The "told you so"'s aren't necessary. NSR 77 T C  04:20, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I just noticed that on May 15 you told me to look at Allmusic's front page to see the album of the day. I don't think I ever did; what was the album? NSR 77  T C  16:34, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
 * "And you finally found all your courage to let it all go." How do you think we should structure the rest of the article? I'm thinking a "Music" section that'll analyze the content and then perhaps a "Tour" and "Legacy" section. Thoughts? NSR 77  T C  22:07, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

Since Disintegration Robert has claimed every single subsequent Cure album to be the band's last. If ever there were an indecisive musician, it's Robert Smith. NSR 77 T C  22:56, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I can't figure out after all these years I hated Pearl Jam that they're, in fact, amazing. I picked up Vs. and Vitalogy. They're equally as good as Ten. Can't cry over spilled milk, I guess. NSR 77  T C  23:07, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
 * WOOOOOOOO!!!! Thank god for 20th anniversaries, huh? Pumpkins are back on tour!!! NSR 77  T C  03:15, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Do you want to start copyediting Disintegration? Also, what the hell is the picture at the top of your talk page supposed to mean? I never understood it. NSR 77  T C  23:22, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

RIAA as a source
I'm currently working on Janet Jackson's Rhythm Nation 1814 as well as Control and some of her other album articles. To verify ceritification I've been using http://www.riaa.com as a source but if you look here, the "search database" option allows you to find the date and certification, but does not display a link for the results. It simply redirects you back to the page with the search option. Is there any way to still use the web site as a source? I've used this page for citations since the web site does not provide a direct link for search results. The Bookkeeper  (of the Occult)  03:38, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

R.E.M. The Cure discography
Here's a Guitar World article reprint of the Unplugged concert. I thought I'd return today itself but andreasegde's continuing rudeness (still not sure what I did wrong) and the fact that we let a disruptive sockpuppet get his way pissed me off again. indopug (talk) 18:00, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I thought of nominating "Touch Me I'm Sick" for TFA on 1 August (20th anniversary of its single release). But although "Touch Me" has more points (per the new TFA requests system), the idea of a non-charting single replacing Emily Dickinson on that day's Main Page doesn't quite sit right with me somehow. indopug (talk) 05:13, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Sure, I'll get to it later today. Is this a complete list of their compilations? indopug (talk) 12:19, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
 * The compilation section on the temp page is empty. indopug (talk) 22:13, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Since I hit a snag with the Xmas singles thing at R.E.M., I thought I'd give the Cure discog a go. Any sourcing info would be great. indopug (talk) 20:14, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I removed the Xmas singles from the PJ discog. Nobody made a fuss. indopug (talk) 09:02, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Cool. I'll handle the bottom half (Release onwards) of the article. Another thing, do you think "Big Four of Grunge" is an acceptable Featured Topic candidate (the bands and their discographies)? indopug (talk) 12:20, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
 * "A discussion regarding the use of watchlist notices, and whether the number should be limited.  [dismiss]" All kinds of funny and silly; I hope that was the intention. indopug (talk) 04:10, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Which are the songs where Stipe mumbles so much even he doesn't know what he's saying now? indopug (talk) 04:27, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Nevermind (album)
I'm surprised you haven't nominated the article for GA yet. Seems way past GA criteria to me :) The Bookkeeper   (of the Occult)  23:47, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Alternative music newsletter
Note from bot: archive this page. :-) —Giggy 08:07, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Unknown Pleasures
I know, was barely aware I was editing - listening to the album itself in front of computer... Will use this for notes etc. Ceoil  sláinte 21:07, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
 * The other night? I was em, alone engraving my new... Ceoil  sláinte 22:54, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh and don't call me "dude". Terrible americanism; up there with 'awesome' and 'I love you, son' 'I love you too, dad', in things we just don't say around here. Cork males refer to each other as "feind" when happy, and "langer" when not really all that happy. Ceoil  sláinte 23:04, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
 * No, not reserved; its just we don't talk in cliches and catchphrases, don't say things we don't mean and try and avoid bombast (eg awesome, which is soo millitary speak). Ceoil  sláinte 23:11, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Came er ta me, da fuck with da; langer boy.. Ceoil  sláinte 23:25, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes I know; but you have some fecking cheek! Ceoil  sláinte 02:52, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Try this; while you wait. (listen, dont watch)  Ceoil  sláinte 02:58, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Reviews
I have replied to you at indopugs talk page, thanx for the reply, is there a chance you could help me find some reviews, reviews of old black music (for obvious reasons) are hard to come by and I don't think the article should be punished because white rock critics were too lazy to write about a singer with a tan. OK now jokes aside I really could do with some help. :-) — Realist 2  ( Come Speak To Me ) 03:09, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Do you think I would have any luck with google books? — Realist 2  ( Come Speak To Me ) 03:27, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I just bought NME originals - 1980's online and its all saved to my computer now!! Its got lots of reviews for his 80's albums, cost me money though. I will use this a lot in the future!! Ive you ever think you might need it give me a bell and I can help you write stuff. Saves you buying it. One question, in the corner of the Thriller review it has MM, does this mean the review was made by Melody not NME? — Realist 2  ( Come Speak To Me ) 04:44, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I added what I believe to be a Melody Maker review (if I got that MM thing correct). All I can say is, its no wonder they went bust or whatever they panned Thriller. Anyway I'm $10 in debt but at least the article has 4 well respected old reviews (well I don't respect Melody Maker after reading that piece of cr*p). Considering the bias against the genre I think its a very reasonable effort and shouldn't constitute the article failing FA. Specially with the 3 recent reviews stacked up along side. — Realist 2  ( Come Speak To Me ) 05:53, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

We're all going to jail
. Until then. Ceoil sláinte 18:43, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Amazing that Talk Talk agreed to mime, but holy jesus what a great song. Its very interesting that the bassist is playing an acq, the drummer has -gasp- long hair, and Hollis has plug ears...never actually saw the man until today. And only 3 of them! Where are we to suppose the synth noises are coming from. Times were tough in the '80's, they could'nt even afford to hire some feind or beor from the audience to pretend to be playing keyboards. All they need was a spiv, a ironing board and a smoke machine; hey presto - keyboards! ( Ceoil  sláinte 21:33, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, I really would appreciate a hand with the FAR on The Supremes‎. It only needs tlc, and I reckon its there. Rembemer when we were talking before about systimatic bias towards alt rock; here a good opp to redress that. (   Ceoil  sláinte 23:51, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Or you could just send on a bunch of links. Eh, either way I'm not bothered. (  Ceoil  sláinte 23:53, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Spreading Some WikiLove To You


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Two things
Firstly, have you ever read the Michael Jackson article before? I've been working very hard on it and I think your capable of reaching an independant analysis unaffected by any feelings you have about Mr. Jackson personally. Do you think its worth going for FA yet? Secondly, and I say this with the utmost respect, please archive your talk page. Seriously I burnt about 43 calories scrolling down to the bottom (I hardly ever use that + button). I look forward to hearing from you. I'm determined to get some music my an African American on the FA music list. If you step aside and read the music FA list you will notice its not very diverse. We all like music and that list really doesn't reflect well on the music department here. — Realist 2  ( Come Speak To Me ) 09:48, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
 * To be honest with you, I have my doubts too, I've never heard him mention it etc. I will remove it. What do you think of the article then? Have you finished viewing it yet? — Realist 2  ( Come Speak To Me ) 21:16, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
 * 20,000 Bytes!!! Thats like 1 fifth!!! I dunno, you can remove stuff you think not noteworthy piece by piece and I'll will reinsert anything that I seriously object to. The Thriller section could be trimmed because a lot of its in the album article and of a high quality over there. I also think the finances needs trimming, its such a boring read. I think its best that you copy and paste stuff you think not noteworthy (without physically deleting from the article) and me and you can get a consensus on these issues before removing. While I'm not the ownership type, it kills me to see 20,000 bytes of good info removed without a fight. :-) — Realist 2  ( Come Speak To Me ) 23:10, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
 * So not removing paragraphs, just making the paragraphs less wordy, not so detailed.— Realist 2  ( Come Speak To Me ) 23:31, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
 * OK lets make s copy of the whole article over at User:Realist2/King of Pop Extras. Then we work on the copy there, when we reach something we like we can make the swop. — Realist 2  ( Come Speak To Me ) 10:54, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

This Night Has Opened My Eyes
Hello. How is main page hell going? (  Ceoil  sláinte 22:16, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Hmm, so no dinner with Jimbo, then. Oh well. What do you make of Vampire weekend? Personally, not much; but the press over here is huge. Kings of Leon headlined Glastunbury 2 w/k ends ago and "fans" is all over day time radio...brilliant.(  Ceoil  sláinte 22:25, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Usually this is too painful to listen to; and this is worse, but you have to listen to the end. (  Ceoil  sláinte 22:33, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

With Teeth
The Halo numbers are not alternate titles. it is just another way to recognize the NIN works. If you check all the other pages of NIN have the same format. --Anothercountry (talk) 02:10, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Can you show me in which part of the wikipedia say that? about the meaning of bold in music. On the other hand, this information is really useful in the begining of the article, maybe if we put the information in plain. Is it ok? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Anothercountry (talk • contribs) 02:33, 11 July 2008 (UTC)