Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 1092

How to ping someone in a comment
I want to ping someone on a comment on a talk page but I'm not sure how tips? Gandalf the Groovy (talk) 00:34, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
 * If you add some text that includes a link to their userpage and is properly signed, they will be pinged. One easy way to do this is to start your comment with . Vahurzpu (talk) 00:59, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi . You can find out more about this in WP:PING. One thing about pinging is that some people don't like to be pinged; so, they've set their user preferences not to receive any such notifications. Many editors will watch discussions they're interested in for new comments being posted so sometimes a ping isn't necessary. It's OK to ping someone, but try not to overdo it if they don't respond right away. One ping is usually enough; if the editor doesn't respond, then it might be because they don't want to respond. If it's something really important, sometimes follow up a ping with polite post on the other editor's user talk page is more than enough of a notification. -- Marchjuly (talk) 08:38, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

How do I join the editing team?
2600:8801:2D00:15C0:98FB:65B4:40A:6189 (talk) 02:29, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

How do I log in?
2600:8801:2D00:15C0:98FB:65B4:40A:6189 (talk) 02:30, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
 * In the veeeery top right corner, you can sign up and create an account. Welcome to Wikipedia! Panini  🥪 02:48, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Welcome! You have "joined the team" simply by being here and being willing to participate. If you wish, you may create an account which provides some benefits as a participant. 331dot (talk) 09:12, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

Editing the "See Also" area
I am adding some "See Also" references to an article. When I try to see the preview, the See Also code appears as markup code rather than as it would appear when reading the page. If I click "Read", I think it would discard the changes. How can I preview my changes to the See Also area? Phoenix-anna (talk) 02:47, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
 * , are you clicking or ? — Tenryuu 🐲  ( 💬 • 📝 ) 03:06, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
 * The above sounds likely. I can only think of one other possibility. I have occasionally seen users copy the code from some page that was providing example markup, but instead of copying the example in read mode, copied it after clicking edit, and then attempted to use code that had nowiki tags around it, .e.g., Markup (or   tags or others). Is that a possibility here ? If so, remove the nowiki tags (or similar) which are used to cause markup not to display.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk)
 * Many errors can cause it. A see also section previews in the same way as everything else. If you link the page and post your code here or somewhere else then we can see what is wrong. You can also save it in the page and revert yourself if the result is bad. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:17, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

Is it plagiarism to copy-paste from The Encyclopædia Britannica?
I would think it is, but the text copied in Moses Amyraut appears to have been copied from a 1910 edition of the Encyclopædia Britannica. See this link: link

I searched for one phrase because it seemed odd, and discovered that the entire "Life" section of Moses Amyraut was simply copy-pasted from that encyclopedia entry. However, since the edition is 1910, does that mean copyright has expired? I am unfamiliar with the rules regarding this situation. Wes sideman (talk) 13:17, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
 * , see it's references section. There is an attribution stating that it incorporates text from Britannica's 11th edition, which is public domain (copyright expired).  Gerald WL  13:25, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Ah thank you. I should have looked farther down the page. Wes sideman (talk) 13:27, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
 * , Just to summarize, plagiarism and copyright violations are related but not identical concepts. It's plagiarism if it's unattributed, whether or not the copyright is still in force, but it was attributed in this case. It's a copyright violation if the copyright is still in force and not a license permitting use, even if attributed (with the exception that short passages properly identified as quotes are acceptable).-- S Philbrick (Talk)  16:20, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Gotcha. I just didn't see the attribution, because it was at the bottom of the article, as opposed to the ends of sentences/paragraphs, like I'm used to. I didn't know you could attribute that way. Wes sideman (talk) 12:11, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

Chatapedia

 * Header inserted by ColinFine (talk) 15:59, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

How can i intergrate my made up website "Chatapedia" into an wikipedia article? Hell no please (talk) 15:49, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello, . It depends what you mean by "integrate". If you want to reuse material from Wikipedia, you can reuse nearly all of it freely, as long as you follow the requirements in reusing Wikipedia material. And of course you can freely link to Wikipedia pages from your site. But if you want to go the other way, no. You may not link external sites unless this complies with EL; and, other than a non-promotional mention on your user page if you choose to, as something you do, there is nowhere in Wikipedia that you should talk about it. --ColinFine (talk) 16:04, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
 * , They aren't looking to reuse material from Wikipedia, they want to write an article in Wikipedia about a website they created. S Philbrick  (Talk)  16:21, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

except from the teahouse and chatapedia-talk?

Hell no please (talk) 16:10, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
 * All article edits you made have been reverted, and every attempt to create an article, Speedy deleted, including three attempts to make an article about your website, 'Chatapedia'. I strongly suggest you work through the Wikipedia tutorial exercises before returning to editing articles or attempting to create an article. David notMD (talk) 16:21, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Indefinitely blocked for ignoring Talk page warnings. David notMD (talk) 16:55, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Sooo this is one of users who innocently disrupt the talk page, as seen in their responses to the warnings they received. They wrote in the talk that they've "not been helpful" in Wikipedia "EVER". I wrote that as long as you want to contribute and you want to learn from your mistakes, you can be helpful. Not to be sympathetic or something, but they're probably overwhelmed by the warnings, which don't particularly help, seemingly.  Gerald WL  17:14, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Well, yes and no. They did get early attempts at supportive and sympathetic messages – see their Talk page history and elsewhere – but, you could argue, they chose to ignore most of what they were being quite nicely told, and continue with their unfortunate trajectory. I really would like to retain potentially enthusiastic and useful editors but when someone is apparently not getting it as badly as this, I worry that we are fringing quite rapidly into CIR territory. And in that case, how much effort do we then need to make to retain? It's sad, but ... Best wishes to all DBaK (talk) 18:26, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Editor in question has repeatedly deleted Warnings from own Talk page, the blocked notice, and also the denial of the unblock request. David notMD (talk) 21:24, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

They are still promoting their website even after the block. Notice the not-so-subtle advert for Chatapedia at the top of his/her talk page. Spiderone 14:49, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

Jonny Giger
References

I can't find good references for Draft: Jonny Giger. Can someone suggest something?--SkateboardingWiki (talk) 14:19, 17 January 2021 (UTC) SkateboardingWiki (talk) 14:19, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi, . I note that the draft article has now been rejected (not just declined) by another reviewer. This means that, in their opinion, no amount of work will turn the draft into an acceptable article here and you are wasting your time trying. The lack of references showing WP:NOTABILITY to Wikipedia standards is the problem. If you, as a skateboarding enthusiast, can't find such references, it is unlikely that anyone else will. I suggest you move on and contribute to other articles that interest you. Adding material to existing articles is a lot easier than trying to draft new ones. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:02, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

Mean people
What can you do when other Wikipedians are being really mean and won't stop when you ask them to stop? Benevolent human (talk) 02:25, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
 * @, hello and welcome to this collaborative project. Please could you cite a particular example? Or be more specific? Celestina007 (talk) 03:19, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
 * See: Harassment and How to deal with harassment. Act accordingly. DMT biscuit (talk) 03:21, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi, Benevolent, I trust you meant well, but probably you should stay away from US politics topics for a while as you said to Liz (and ethno-religious groups and identity politics). For those people who don’t want to mend fences, best to give yourself and them some space.  Not everybody’s a fan of wikilove, but it was worth a try.  If you disengage and someone hounds you, then admin intervention as a last resort. Pelagic ( messages ) – (20:07 Sun 17, AEDT) 09:07, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes, I will be staying away from those topics until at least mid-April. I appreciate your advice and will follow it, thank you., these are the difficulties I faced: Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement Benevolent human (talk) 15:12, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

Ballet Ireland
Rejected - Draft:Ballet Ireland First, thanks to user:Padavalamkuttanpilla for the quick review. I am surprised that the references were deemed as not significant coverage. I can include more references if necessary. I imagined that the National Ballet company of a sovereign country would be worthy of a Wiki entry but am open to correction and can delete if references are not sufficient. Any help with the specific of why the references are deemed insignificant would be appreciated. Thanks all! Midnight713 (talk) 14:21, 17 January 2021 (UTC) Midnight713 (talk) 14:21, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse. . I note that your draft was not "rejected" (which has a specific meaning here — essentially that no amount of further work is likely to get it accepted) but "declined": which means it may well be accepted if improved, in this case with further reliable, secondary sources such as the ones you already included from The Irish Times. Find and include a few more of these and the article should be able to pass the threshold for acceptance. Good luck. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:10, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
 * To add to that, sponsored sources like this one fail the independent part, since there are payments involved and nobody can tell for sure how big the influences truely were. Victor Schmidt (talk) 15:33, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Interesting Victor, thank you. I did not see that 'sponsored' item until you pointed it out! Midnight713 (talk) 16:37, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

January copy-edit drive
How do I get my copy-edited article checked for quality? I read the instructions but it was confusing. I want to be able to remove it from the list of articles to be copy-edited. Gandalf the Groovy (talk) 14:07, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Which article would that be?--Shantavira|feed me 15:28, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Note related discussion at user's talk page. I believe "list" above refers to the fact that List of Cayman Islands hurricanes remained in cleanup categories following copyedit, b/c it had copyedit still on display (the only other possibility I could think of was if it was on the list at WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors/Requests, but it wasn't). This in turn resulted from a bit of a saga: Article was copyedited, including removal of that template; the copyedit was reverted; OP attempted to revert that revert, but didn't revert to actual last copyedited revision, which revision contained the template – so the cleanup categories were "back". Am I correct that it was the cleanup categories' persistence that was the issue? (If so, I assume the issue is clarified now). Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 16:40, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

Editing
Dear sir, Why are some pages not allowed to be edited? Toph bai fong (talk) 16:49, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello, and welcome to the Teahouse! Some pages on Wikipedia are protected because they receive large amounts of vandalism or to stop edit wars, however the majority aren't. You'll find that as you edit more in Wikipedia, you'll gain the ability to edit these pages. Thanks, Pahunkat (talk) 17:07, 17 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Hello - some articles are protected because they're prone to vandalism, especially if the article covers a topic that is currently ongoing, or covers a popular person or subject.
 * Because of this, we tend to see an increase in the number of newly-created accounts, relatively new accounts, or IP address editors, who haven't made accounts, that can create problems through their edits. These edits might be the inclusion of content that shouldn't be on the article - if, on the article's Talk page, it's already been decided that X should be included, but that Y should be removed, then an editor looking to create a problem might repeatedly add Y back into the article. These accounts may also edit the article to add content that breaks Wikipedia' copyright rules, or may just deface the article entirely through the addition of offensive content, jibberish or the removal of all of its text.
 * To prevent this, some pages receive a certain level of protection. This may be temporary, or it may be for an extended period of time. This protection might prevent only IP address editors from editing; it might prevent IP address editors, and editors who haven't made over 500 edits over a period of 30 days from editing. These are the most common types of article protection, but there are a number of other levels of protection that are higher than this.
 * An article being protected doesn't prevent vandalism from happening. But it does slow it down significantly, and if an article has been defaced to a large degree, it can ensure that editors can get back to work fixing it, without having to deal with a barrage of vandals constantly undoing their hard work.
 * It isn't always new accounts or IP address editors who create problems, either; sometimes Wikipedia editors who have been here for years create these problems. I hope this answers your question. --Ineffablebookkeeper (talk) 17:05, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

About Copyrights
Hello, I'm here to ask a question about the tags added to the page Ichgam by. I don't think this page violates copyright. And as per me there should be no strikes on it. I request the administrator to take this into the consideration and talk back. I don't want that page to get deleted. If this happens, this will be very disappointing to me and I can't love to edit on Wikipedia anymore. Moreover, that page is wholly written by me. All the data is fair and correct supported by citations. Please protect this page. Kamilalibhat (talk) 15:04, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Nobody said that Ichgam violated any copyrights. Cordless Larry added two tags to the article, and, neither of which has anything to do with copyright. That being said, I find it unlikely that the article is going to be protected, because we don't protect articles to enforce a particular revision. I do notice however that Draft:Government Boys Higher Secondary School Ichgam was tagged for speedy deletion due to copyright violations. Draft:Government Boys Higher Secondary School Ichgam is very close to three different URLs on the schools.org domain, all of which appear to be copyrighted. Victor Schmidt (talk) 15:30, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Actually, I did identify copyright violations from two sources in the subsections of Ichgam, ., you may have cited the sources of this material, but that doesn't give you the right to copy it word-for-word. Please see Copying text from other sources for an explanation. These sections will be deleted, but not the whole article. Cordless Larry (talk) 15:44, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks for informing. I am sorry for the mistake. I really apologize. But what about Ichgam.I don't think that is copy pasted. This website is the only source from which I could get info about IPS Ichgam. It is their official website. And I didn't copied, I wrote in my own words in that section of IPS Ichgam. I don't know how you believe that info was copied word-for-word, but really it was not done for the section IPS Ichgam. As I already said I apologize for copying the section GBHSS Ichgam. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kamilalibhat (talk • contribs) 17:09, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Parts of that section are also copied, - see the report here. Cordless Larry (talk) 17:37, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

Formatting my first entry!
Hi, I did my first edit today and I think I managed ok except that I struggled with the formatting of my reference to The Guardian newspaper. I could not make it neatly align with the other entries which was annoying. Any advice on this or anything else I didn't quite get right?

It was the entry for former Wales rugby player Alix Poonam.

Thanks 👍

Joel 2A02:C7F:602C:3200:653B:C37:AC3:62D1 (talk) 16:38, 17 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Hello - looking through your contributions, this post on the Teahouse is your only contribution to Wikipedia; furthermore, there isn't actually an article entitled Alix Poonam on English Wikipedia. Did you edit one of our sister projects in a different language? If so - we don't actually have jurisdiction over those; they're their own projects, with their own citation rules and policies. --Ineffablebookkeeper (talk) 16:53, 17 January 2021 (UTC)


 * (ec) The global contributions listing does not show any edits from this IP-address in other languages Wikipedias, either, and Google search doesn't find an 'Alix Poonam' article in the whole 'wikipedia.org' domain. --CiaPan (talk) 17:02, 17 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Hi . Please note that you edited while logged out above, so the only way to find the edits your post regards was to search for an article by the name you mentioned, which is not Alix Poonam, but Alix Popham. I started helping out but eventually removed everything you wrote from the article. If any return of that content is in order, you can view the diffs from the page history for each edit I made. Here's the details:


 * First I fixed the citation issue by taking the content you posted below the reference markup, and moving it next to the content you wrote in the body, using  tags, so that it would format as a footnoted citation. Please see Help:Referencing for beginners (and I suggest more globally, that you take a tour through the Tutorial).
 * I also changed it to use a citation template (Cite news), so it would format consistently, and added the newspaper article's authors' names and fixed its date (14, not 15th). I also removed a separate raw embedded link that you added within the text.
 * I then started looking at that source to check what you wrote against its content, to verify the details (also to remove a certain promotional tone in the language you used, e.g., "launched"; "pioneering", etc.). The first problem I noted was that you said it was launched on a particular date, when the Guardian says no such thing.
 * But then I read more carefully, and discovered that this charity, that you say was launched by Popham, was not. Rather the article notes that his wife is one of its trustees, and he is apparently mentioned in the article because he is the type of player that the charity aims to help with neuro-degenerative issues resulting from brain injuries suffered during sports careers. So, as I noted in my removal edit summary, the source does not verify that Head for Change was established by Popham – and even if he is one of its founders, which would have to be verified with a different source, saying he launched it has quite incorrect connotations. It's great that you are donating your time to help out, but I feel compelled to say, please be careful when adding content to articles that the information is truly verified by the source cited. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 17:57, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
 * @JoelV1973: Damn. More importantly than any of the above, some of the content you added was a direct copy-and-paste copyright violation and plagiarism of content from the charity's non-free, copyrighted website. Please don't ever do that again. I will leave a detailed message about this at your talk page--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 18:20, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

"established practice in the motorsport articles" ?
Hi, so I edited https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Formula_2_Championship to include both practice and qualifying session dates within the tables of the article but had the changes reverted due to "established practice in the motorsport articles". I am a little confused as knowing this information would be beneficial if you are looking up the article in the first place so why is it not allowed? Pshankland (talk) 12:29, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
 * The editor might be referring to consensus that was discussed at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Motorsport. Per the BOLD, revert, discuss cycle, the best place to ask your question is the article's talk page: Talk:2019 Formula 2 Championship.  Happy editing!  GoingBatty (talk) 19:12, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

New Articles
Is there any means of fast-tracking approval for a new article e.g. for a black swan event such as Covid-19? ProfParochus (talk) 22:08, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes, autoconfirmed users of Wikipedia have the ability to create a new article directly in mainspace. However, the user runs the risk of having the article deleted if it does not meet Wikipedia's notability guidelines.  GoingBatty (talk) 22:19, 17 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. There is no "fast track" for drafts to be reviewed, as reviews are done by volunteers in no particular order, who do what they can when they can. Since you are autoconfirmed, you can directly create articles, but you should be extremely confident it would survive a deletion discussion. If you want other eyes on it before it is placed in the encyclopedia, you will need to be patient. 331dot (talk) 22:17, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

COPYRIGHT
Hi, I have a question about the correct use of copyright for the publication of an image on wikipedia. I contacted the photographer who took the image and asked that I could use the image, of course I said I would use the correct copyright, giving the jokes to the photographer and providing the exact source where I took the image. He accepted via e-mail. Which copyright should I use? CC 2.0? or CC 4.0? Thanks a lot TommasoRmndn (talk) 20:15, 17 January 2021 (UTC) TommasoRmndn (talk) 20:17, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
 * , whatsoever the photographer released it under, and then the copyright issues will be handled by otrs volunteers.  ─  The Aafī   (talk)|undefined  20:25, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
 * , sorry but i don't undestand. I wanna upload the file on wikipedia commons, what copyright i have to select? where i can say that the photographer gave me the permission? he only say that i can use, not what copyright — Preceding unsigned comment added by TommasoRmndn (talk • contribs) 21:08, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, the only person that can answer your question is the photographer.  GoingBatty (talk) 21:15, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
 * The photographer not say what copyright i have to use, but he only say to gave the appropriate credit to the photographer and the source where the photo was pubblished the first time. I think the correct copyright is CC 4.0: you can use the image but you have to gave the appropriate credit. TommasoRmndn (talk)
 * , CC-BY SA 4.0 and similar things are free licenses, they are not copyrights. Only the copyright holder (the photographer) can license the image. Legally, you cannot do that for them. The photographer can upload the image to Wikimedia Commons, or follow the instructions at Donating copyrighted materials. Everything must be correct legally, or the image will be deleted. Cullen328  Let's discuss it  22:28, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

Photo upload
Adding photos to a existing Article

Hi guys. I am trying to upload this photo via an ipad. Secondly in terms of copyright. It’s my photo from my camera. Surely I can sign a dec on Wikipedia to testify to this? Nobody is making a profit from this so I hardly think the National Museum of Bulgaria where I took a photo of the bust, would be seeking royalties.

Does this help? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 49.178.51.11 (talk) 23:26, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

Hi, I have a rare photo I need to add to a Post. How do I do it his? The only edit options I have are Edit, replace or add link. GregSierocinski (talk) 12:10, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Which version of Wikipedia are you trying from (Desktop Website, Mobile Website, or Wikipedia app)? In general, inserting images involves two steps: 1) upload the image to The english Wikipedia or to our central media project, WIkimedia Commons 2) Insert the image into the article. The image policy is a complex thing, so in order to help you with step 1) we need more information, mainly 1) Who created the image 2) What is on it (yust a few words) 3)If you are not the creator, is the creator still living, or when did he die? Victor Schmidt (talk) 13:27, 16 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Hello,, and thank you for wanting to help improve Wikipedia. Unfortunately dealing with images isn't as simple as one might hope for two reasons, one technical, and one legal. The technical reason is that images are not uploaded into an article, but into a central store, from which they can be used in one or more articles. For most images, this is a sister project to Wikipedia, called Wikimedia Commons, though in some circumstances images get uploaded to Wikipedia itself. Either way, you can upload images using the Upload wizard. Once you have uploaded, it will show you what you have to add to an article to get it to display.
 * The second issue is often the tricky one: copyright. Wikipedia's goal is that all its contents be reusable by anybody for any purpose: when we add text we are always releasing it under a licence which allows this (as stated at the bottom of every edit page). With images, this can be tricky. If the image is in the public domain (either by reason of age, or because the copyright owner has explicitly released it to the PD, as the US government does for many images), there is no problem. If the image is uploaded by whoever holds the copyright (eg a photo they took themselves) then they can license it on the fly. But for many photographs - both on the internet, and in people's collections - it can be difficult to determine who owns the copyright, and then to get them to take the steps required to release them. But Commons will not accept images without a statement of how they meet the licensing requirement.
 * I'm guessing you have a photo of the bust of Lucius Licinius Sura. If it is a picture you took yourself, that makes part of the problem easier, as you can upload it as "own work". But with photos of artworks, they are regarded as "derivative" works, and the copyright lies with both the photographer and the owner of the rights to the original work. I'm guessing that the bust of Sura is in the public domain, by reason of age: but it might be, for example, that Romanian law gives the museum its own copyright in the items: it seems unlikely, but I don't know. I suggest asking at Commons:Commons:Licensing. If you do, explain the provenance of the photograph. --ColinFine (talk) 13:36, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

Sharing copyrighted content from my website
Hi,

I have created a vaccine tracker website at covid19livespread.com to which I have copyrighted my content, but I believe the content I have added there will be very beneficial to use and contribute to some of the Wikipedia articles. I have recently posted some screenshots from my website but were turned down by the contributors of that page insisting that they are copyrighted (but me as the copyright holder, I give permission to myself to share the images on the articles). When I explained that to the contributors, they mentioned to me that I was conflicting interest. I am still not understanding why sharing the screenshots is classified as conflict of interest.

What can I do so I'm allowed to share my screenshots and what do I have to change from my license for this to be able to happen?

Please, let me know.

~George Georgek98 (talk) 23:11, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
 * You have received advice, both on donating copyrighted material and on conflict of interest. Advice on both topics is on your user talk page. - David Biddulph (talk) 23:15, 17 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Welcome to the Teahouse, . If your site says its content is copyright, then screenshots of it cannot be hosted on Wikimedia Commons under a free for commercial use licence. Clearly, you have it within your power to modify your website so as to release material that you have created so that it is available under a CC-BY-SA Creative Commons licence. You can't have it both ways. If you think it's beneficial and want to use it here, then you will need to release it properly. But be aware that if you have created content using materials derived from other copyrighted sources (map boundary outlines, being one potential pitfall, or copyrighted data being another) you might not necessarily even have the right to give it away. But, ignoring that for a moment, you have already been given a link on your userpage to how to donate copyrighted content. Simply saying in an edit summary on Wikipedia that you release it for reuse is wholly insufficient. Whilst you know who you say you are, the rest of us have no idea, and so we have ways to confirm the veracity of people's right to donate material, as explained at Donating copyrighted materials. I'm grateful for your interest in wanting to share content, but we have procedures in place to ensure that people's rights are not infringed, and sometimes this means having to jump through a few extra hoops to protect everyone's interests, including the reputation of the Wikimedia Foundation and its many projects for making all its content freely available for reuse by anyone, even commercially. Regards. Nick Moyes (talk) 23:31, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

Weston Woods
I have info about Weston Woods. Can we add the 1986-90 Weston Woods Presents variant of the 1953 logo? CoolBoy789 (talk) 00:09, 18 January 2021 (UTC)


 * If the information is published, you should make a suggestion at Talk:Weston Woods Studios. (If it isn't published, it's unusable.) -- Hoary (talk) 00:18, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

Feeling pushed away
I've been a user for years on Wikipedia, but I rarely edit. There are some minor articles that I've created and some niche ones that are important, but nevertheless when I try to edit a current article for anything more then I typo I get pushback. An article that says it has two definitions in the first paragraph? An obvious split, but one person prevents it out of a personal agenda to have the two combined (despite it being two articles in one) and since I don't know how to get friends on Wikipedia I can't do anything about it. I see someone copy and paste a huge portion of an article into various other related articles with the same references. I read up on the references and find that it's a more complicated matter that requires greater discussion, and that the references are actually explaining a different matter, with a few sentences being able to be interpreted that way if one isn't reading those scientific papers closely. If read more carefully, then several articles would have to be merged and created and many rewritten. I decide to erase the plagiarism from the articles where the information counts the least (leaving it on one or two) and add here and dialogue in the talk pages asking for discussion on this topic and providing details to these errors. Instead of dialogue my edits are reversed and I'm pushed away for not keeping sources and providing a bad explanation in the Edit Summary even though I gave many explanations in the talk page of those articles. I make an article for a small modern religion based on an ancient one, and I link it to the ancient's article and add an internet resource explaining its practice, and it gets deleted. Lo and behold, years later there's a new article up and running years and it's doing alright. However I find that the website I linked wasn't there, and when I search for it it turns out to have been taken down, implying that there's a possibility that those Wikieditors who shut my article down also harassed the maker of the website where I got my source from and shut them down as well. There's more as well.

I get the impression that I'm not allowed to make anything but unimportant articles that no one will see, and if I dare make an edit that's actually important to the article and to how the world responds to it based on the education they receive in the article I'm suddenly the bad guy. If I mess something up on my edit, instead of it being fixed it's reversed completely and I'm made out to be a bad person. How am I supposed to learn if people antagonize me for my mistakes and don't let me take a step up? How am I supposed to learn if people don't teach me where I made a mistake and how to revise it? What am I supposed to do about a website that claims "any editor can fix it" and it holds a "neutral viewpoint" but all the edits on an article anyone will care about are apparently so controversial that I'd need a community and friends to back me up, and I don't have that? Not to mention that while every now and then you get someone with a strong opinion about an article, but just needing a community to back me up against one or a few people implies that I need opinions to fight against opinions, and opinions aren't neutral. How am I supposed to be a Wikipedia editor who actually writes and fixes articles? 65.140.209.178 (talk) 06:55, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi, and thanks for commenting here. You didn't link the articles you tried to contribute to above, so it's hard to know how to respond, especially since I don't see them in your contributions history. I left you a welcome message with some general links which I hope will help you, but if you could add some links below or just name the articles you contributed to or created, someone will be better able to help you. Mathglot (talk) 07:45, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
 * If your statements are true, then those editors have violated a serious policy: WP:AGF. This requires editors to assume that editors actually mean good when they edit, even if it accidentally violated a guideline. That being said, if you have a link to the related articles and the website, it would be helpful.  Gerald WL  08:57, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
 * You had me up until ... implying there's a possibility that those Wikieditors who shut my article down also harassed the maker of the website where I got my source from and shut them down as well.. That would be pretty surprising, and a heck of a leap to take under most circumstances. Again, without the details, this is just venting from an anonymous editor, and I don't think anyone can offer a reasonable solution to the issue. I urge you to log into your account and tell us what it's about so we can help. If this sounds familiar to anyone else, please chime in, too. —[ Alan M 1  (talk) ]— 00:33, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

Guidance for COI
Hello editors! Is there a particular place I should be posting requests for editing assistance with updates to my company's article because of my paid conflict of interest as an employee? I'm new to the community and looking to learn more about the best approach. So far, I have posted requests to the article's Talk page and looked for collaboration on Talk pages of a few relevant WikiProjects. After learning about the edit request template, I added that to my requests as well. Finally, I have posted to the Talk pages of individual editors who I thought might be relevant and interested, some with no reply and two declining interest. I understand that I must not edit my company's page myself and am looking for a path forward to help update the encyclopedia while honoring the rules in place for a COI editor like me. Any guidance would be greatly appreciated! Thank you! SCbhaynes (talk) 16:15, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi Thank you for disclosing your paid editor status on both your user page and the article's talk page.  You have successfully requested changes to the article using the proper format.  Other editors have responded, asking for more information below your edit requests on the article's talk page.  Please provide clear, concise responses so they can continue to assist you.  Thank you!  Orville talk 00:46, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

January copy-edit drive
How do I make sure that the Article I edited get's removed from the list of articles needing copy-editing? Gandalf the Groovy (talk) 00:30, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * See the instructions at WikiProject_Guild_of_Copy_Editors/Backlog_elimination_drives. It looks like you just need to remove the copy-edit tag.  RudolfRed (talk) 00:45, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Questions about the copy-edit drive should go here: Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Guild_of_Copy_Editors/Backlog_elimination_drives/January_2021 RudolfRed (talk) 01:31, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

Reporter wanting to speak with wikipedians about upcoming birthday
My news organization is looking to speak with a few Wikipedians anonymously about their thoughts and interpretations on this person for a story that covers current events like this alongside the birthday of Wikipedia and how wikipedians shape the discussion and shed light on the facts. Do you have a few minutes to spare over email to talk about your perspectives? Thanks very much. I look forward to hearing back from you. Kombucha Morning (talk) 21:01, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

Update: This has been reported to the ANI as solicitation under false pretenses. I would recommend editors refrain from giving any personal details until this is resolved there at the earliest. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 21:28, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

Imo Page
Don't understand the tag on Imo (app) page. Should I move my page to draft? Where can I read if there is a discussion regarding this page? Sonofstar (talk) 20:13, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Welcome to Wikipedia and thanks for wanting to add to it. That article has already been moved to Draft:Imo_(app).  You can continue to work on it there.  I suggest reading WP:YFA which will help you with the steps to make the draft ready for review.   RudolfRed (talk) 20:25, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
 * You created article and moved it to mainspace. An editor deemed in unworthy and moved it to draft. You did some editing and again moved it to mainspace. Your own Edit comment:"Page is good to move." Then another editor moved it to draft. I strongly recommend you let the draft go through the AfC review process versus flipping it to mainspace again. David notMD (talk) 21:34, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
 * There’s already Imo (software). From memory, I think that was mentioned recently somewhere? Pelagic ( messages ) – (09:53 Sun 17, AEDT) 22:53, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
 * your draft contains more citations and useful information than the recently-created page Imo (software), so you should definitely collaborate on improving that one rather than making another with a similar title. It might be sensible later to create a re-direct from "Imo (app)" to "Imo (software)" but you should discuss that at the article's Talk page first. Once you have finished merging your information, you can ask for the draft to be deleted. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:46, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

Thanks to acknowledging it and share the process. I dropped a message on the talk page of the page creator of Imo Software user. Let me drop a message on the talk page of IMO app also and try to merge the page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sonofstar (talk • contribs) 06:11, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

I am blocked
Hello, Wikipedia keeps telling me that I am blocked whenever I want to edit but sometimes when I want to edit, I am unblocked again, it keeps coming and going. What could be the problem? Josedimaria237 (talk) 22:15, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
 * It could be that you're trying to edit without logging in, and that your shared IP address was blocked because of bad actions taken by another user. Providing an exact example might be helpful.  I suggest you always log in before editing.  GoingBatty (talk) 22:22, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Your account has never been blocked but occasionally an account may be affected by an IP block. Please see IP block exemption for more information. Cullen328  Let's discuss it  22:34, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
 * , editing on app can be a pain the ass. When you do activities in desktop, your account is auto-logged out on app. Have contacted the developers but received no responses.  Gerald WL  07:07, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

AfD
Can you suggest an article for deletion? If so, how? AlphonseOop (talk) 07:04, 18 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Yes, but instead you normally think hard about the article, its subject, and the likelihood of creating a good (policies/guidelines-compliant) article about the subject; and if after doing this you conclude that the matter is hopeless, you go ahead and nominate it for deletion yourself. Here's how. -- Hoary (talk) 07:42, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

Is there a template for a List of Pages I've edited (w/stats)
I'd like a query for a list of articles, similar to the query for the list of contributions available with this: Special:Contributions/Jaredscribe.

Ideally, it should have four columns: name of article; number of edits made by this user; Total bytes added by this user;  Bytes removed by this user. Does something like this already exist?Jaredscribe (talk) 06:59, 18 January 2021 (UTC) Jaredscribe (talk) 06:59, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * , we have something called XTools, which contains data on users that are publicly viewable. The first two queries you mentioned can be found on your XTools page here. The second two are only available on the XTools page of a certain article, which can be found by typing the article name in here. I'm not sure if what you asked for exists, but this is probably the next best thing. Giraffer (Happy·Wikipedia Day!) 08:32, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

STARTING PROBLEM
i need a guider to get started with my account 42unkown (talk) 09:11, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * , what do you need help with? If you would like a guide to editing, The Wikipedia Adventure is a great place to start. Giraffer (Happy·Wikipedia Day!) 09:29, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

"Retired" template being posted to noticeboards?
Why/how do random people  to the noticeboards? This happens semi-regularly, and I don't understand how they end up there. Sometimes they, but why do so many users independently arrive at the same bizarrely convoluted and ineffectual method for achieving that? JoelleJay (talk) 22:15, 16 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Generally I take it as a kind of shouty "I QUIT!" The user you linked may have just misunderstood, however. One would think that anyone who knows enough to insert a template would be doing so intentionally?  Pelagic ( messages ) – (10:03 Sun 17, AEDT) 23:03, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi . The Retired template is mainly for user pages. I don't think it for use on noticeboards; so, if an editor added it there, then they probably did so by mistake. Editors use the "Retired" template for a variety of reasons but most just want to let others know that they're no longer editing and thus no longer responding to anything posted on their user talk page or anywhere else on Wikipedia. It's an optional template, but some feel it's better then just simply disappearing without a trace. Just for reference, accounts cannot be deleted. -- Marchjuly (talk) 08:46, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Oh, I know how the template is supposed to be used for userpages, I'm just confused how there are dozens of users who are (seemingly) inexperienced/CIR enough* to try to post that template on a noticeboard, but also understand what a template is and can navigate to a noticeboard. I always assumed they were trolls, but it's also such a pointless and specific effort with so little disruption that it's hard to imagine why anyone would do that.
 * Just on AN since September, there was the above 2-week-old user, with 4 edits; 1-day-old account with 3 edits; a  with 8 edits; and  who made it over 2 years with 2 edits. JoelleJay (talk) 20:54, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
 * If they click their username without having a user page then they get a page like User:SiraliAgg with the link user page in the first line. That page mentions Retired in User pages. That could explain how they find the template. I don't know how they reach WP:AN. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:46, 18 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Ooh PrimeHunter that makes so much sense for the template! JoelleJay (talk) 04:19, 18 January 2021 (UTC)


 * With respect to I'm just confused how there are dozens of users who are (seemingly) inexperienced/CIR enough* to try to post that template on a noticeboard, but also understand what a template is and can navigate to a noticeboard., welcome to Wikipedia where some people "chose to understand" only the things they like and "refuse to understand" pretty much everything else. There is after all no requirement to editing other than being to access the website. It's basically learn as you go along and some people only learn what interests them or what helps them accomplish their objectives. As for it's also such a pointless and specific effort with so little disruption that it's hard to imagine why anyone would do that., pretty much the same thing could be said about WP:VANDAL, WP:SOCK, WP:DE, WP:NPA, WP:HARASS, WP:PRAM, WP:EW, WP:IDHT, etc. Some editors seem to need to feel they're WP:WINNING at all times and perhaps they feel that going out with a bang by announcing their departure is the best way to show everyone else who's really in control. -- Marchjuly (talk) 02:09, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I agree with –  it's weird. I think it's more likely that there was some kind of external influence guiding them to post it on AN. There are social media and other sites that are inhabited by WP-haters/disruptors; you probably can find it if you want to search and wade through the drivel. I'd rather do most anything else. —[  Alan M 1  (talk) ]— 09:45, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

Help with deleting content
Hi, I’m a new editor. I recently added an info box for the page Irish Music Rights Organisation. I put the logo that was already on the page into the infobox but did not want to make any destructive edits so I did not remove the logo that was already there. I hope this is not bad practice but in any event would somebody mind removing the logo(or inform me if I have done something untoward) Many thanks Midnight713 (talk) 09:35, 18 January 2021 (UTC) Midnight713 (talk) 09:35, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * , welcome to Wikipedia! What you've done is perfectly fine, so I've removed the duplicate. Thanks, Giraffer (Happy·Wikipedia Day!) 09:40, 18 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Thank you !

Midnight713 (talk) 09:48, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

Index
Index How long does it take for a contribution to be indexed? Jimn8n8 (talk) 00:21, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
 * , only articles in the mainspace are indexed in search engines, assuming this is what you are asking. It either takes 90 days or a new pages patroller to approve it, whichever comes first. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 00:24, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
 * If you mean Wikipedia's own index of articles, I believe these are indexed within a few hours of creation.--Shantavira|feed me 12:00, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
 * What you have done is a common mistake – creating a new article on your user page, which is, instead, for telling other editors a little about yourself and your editing interests on Wikipedia. Pospective articles should either be created in your User:Jimn8n8/sandbox or in the "Draft" namespace. Based on it's current state, it looks like you have some work to do still, so I'd suggest just cut/pasting it from User:Jimn8n8 to User:Jimn8n8/sandbox. Then, have a look at WP:YFA and WP:AFC. When you're ready, insert   at the top of it and it will be reviewed by the AFC volunteer reviewers. Thanks. —[  Alan M 1  (talk) ]— 09:59, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

Removing comments that show up twice
I was hoping to remove comments from a discussion I started since the same comments are on two different talk pages. Is that possible to do? Thank you! 161.77.224.143 (talk) 06:46, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi IP 161.77.224.143. See WP:REDACT for more, but generally you may remove or edit comments you make on a talk page as long as nobody has responded to them yet or as long as too much time has past since you made the post. So, if you posted the same thing on two talk pages and nobody has responded to you yet, then you probably can remove one of the posts; if someone has responded, then you probably should just let that person know that the same discussion is taking place on another talk page and politely ask them to continue it there. -- Marchjuly (talk) 08:30, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I believe ... not too much time has past ... was the intent above. I.e., you shouldn't delete something that others may have already read (and might be reacting/responding to). Use the techniques at WP:REDACT instead. —[ Alan M 1  (talk) ]— 10:14, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

Can I link a term to Wikidictionary?
The term aperçus is used in an article. Can I link the term to the Wikidictionary entry? If so, what is the proper syntax for that? TIA UClaudius (talk) 02:13, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi You can use aperçu or aperçu, to link to it.  Orville talk 02:42, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

Still trying to link to a definition
I had asked how to link a word to its definition and was told for the word aperçu I could use "aperçu or aperçu". Apparently, I am doing it wrong, because instead of just the linked word, the result is: wikt:aperçu or wiktionary:aperçu. What am I doing wrong? UClaudius (talk) 04:44, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * , you didn't pipe it. Adding a  after the text in the brackets should do what you want it to do. — Tenryuu 🐲  ( 💬 • 📝 ) 05:16, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * If you want the blue link word to show as aperçu, you would type   Orville talk 07:06, 18 January 2021 (UTC).


 * , If you want to link directly to the English section of the Wiktionary page, you can use the template wt. So displays as, and links to the English part of that page.  similarly links to the French section. --ColinFine (talk) 12:28, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

ΚΑΛΑΘΟΣΦΑΙΡΙΣΗ
πώς μπορώ να γίνω μέλος της wikipedia? 37.6.1.86 (talk) 13:13, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Translation via Google Translate:

— Yours, Berrely  • Talk∕Contribs 13:36, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * To join Wikipedia, you can create an account at Special:CreateAccount. However it may be better to create an account at your local Wikipedia The Greek Wikipedia.
 * Translation via Google Translate to Greek:
 * Για να εγγραφείτε στη Βικιπαίδεια, μπορείτε να δημιουργήσετε έναν λογαριασμό στη διεύθυνση Special:CreateAccount. Ωστόσο, ίσως είναι καλύτερο να δημιουργήσετε έναν λογαριασμό στην τοπική σας Wikipedia The Greek Wikipedia. — Yours, Berrely  • Talk∕Contribs 13:40, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

Title issue
Hello, I made a mistake and created the page Stefan Weintraub under a previous title and now I can't link to to the German original. Can someone please help ? Thanks in advance. LouisAlain (talk) 12:49, 18 January 2021 (UTC) LouisAlain (talk) 12:49, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * , are you trying to revert your move? — Yours, Berrely  • Talk∕Contribs 12:54, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I looked at your edits and see you added it to the Wikidata item . I have removed it at Wikidata. It can now be linked to another German article. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:18, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the help; the German original indeed links to the english version but I still can't link the english Stefan Weintraub to its German source. LouisAlain (talk) 13:46, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I've added the English Wikipedia article to Wikidata. Hope that fix it. Grimes2 (talk) 13:51, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

Wikipedia
hi I just wanted to ask what age are you supposed to be to make a Wikipedia account Alisha rains (talk) 21:22, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello, . There is no minimum age. Cullen328  Let's discuss it  21:24, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Guidance for younger editors may be relevant. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:28, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

Ohh I thought I was too young to be on Wikipedia so am I allowed to ask anybody anythingAlisha rains (talk) 14:03, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

echo off
@echo off — Preceding unsigned comment added by 182.189.151.195 (talk) 11:37, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

@filterbubble off && echo chamber on; Pelagic ( messages ) – (23:30 Mon 18, AEDT) 12:30, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * @echo chamber on off on off on off on off on off on off.  Gerald WL  14:31, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

|edition=has extra text ?
Hi everyone. I am new to this and working on a draft for a new page Draft:Ballet_Ireland After adding some book references/citations (sorry I am unsure of the distinction), I am getting an error "|edition=has extra text". Could someone enlighten me as to how I can resolve this or if I have made a rudimentary error in adding the citation? Many thanks Midnight713 (talk) 14:32, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * , basically you added two words there (e.g. "Carl Sagan") and apparently |edition only welcomes one string. I've combined the two of them.  Gerald WL  14:34, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Wonderful, thank you kindly for such a swift resolution! Much appreciated. Midnight713 (talk) 14:42, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * , nevermore-- I mean never mind.  Gerald WL  14:50, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

Creating article in Wikipedia - conflict of interests
Hello, I'm trying to upload to Wikipedia an article about the Polish shipyard Sunreef Yachts. The article was decline a couple of times, because there wasn't any information about the editor of the article. I'm writing about Sunreef Yachts shipyard as an employee of the company. Where can I submit this information to make sure that the article won't be declined again? Thank you in advance SztolpenOS (talk) 14:17, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello, . You'll find details of the declarations you are required to make at paid editing. Doing so will not "make sure" that the article won't be declined again, but it is a requirement for you to continue to edit Wikipedia at all. As for getting the article accepted, please read the many comments at the top of it. One thing you could do is to remove all citations to sources which are based on press releases from Sunreef, and any information which is sourced only to such non-independent sources. Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources.. --ColinFine (talk) 15:33, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

Approval
Hi guys! I just set up a wiki artist page for my artist & got the basic information I want in there with all the right referencing etc. What’s the best way to get the page approved or reviewed!

I’m using it to add more awareness about my artists aswell as boost his social presence up and this will really help ! Itsyoungartz (talk) 16:33, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * , welcome to the Teahouse. Your userpage is currently being marked for speedy deletion. You seem to misunderstand what Wikipedia is for; it is not a place to boost [an artist]'s social presence, and there are other sites that are geared more towards doing that. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 16:45, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

Wrong spelling of name
I have managed to correct my name in text but not the headline. Why? Onion Island (talk) 17:27, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * , welcome to the Teahouse. I've gone ahead and moved the article to a different title (Lydia Cappolicchio → Lydia Capolicchio), as a cursory search for external sources and an unanswered discussion on the talk page from years ago strongly corroborates the correction. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 17:36, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

Section link template inside hatnote template
I'm working on, and I'd like to add a "See also" for that section and link to. I tried just putting the section link template directly inside the "see also" hatnote template but it's coming out a little wonky, with extra brackets as shown in the article. Any ideas here? DanCherek (talk) 17:54, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Related: the target article (American women in World War II) doesn't currently include any information about the original article (Nellah Massey Bailey) so should the "see also" link not be used in the first place? Regardless, for my own education I'd still be interested to see how the syntax should be written. DanCherek (talk) 18:01, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * , It appears has fixed it — Yours,  Berrely  • Talk∕Contribs 18:21, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Aha, seems like I was overthinking it. Thanks ! DanCherek (talk) 18:28, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * You're welcome, DanCherek. Sometimes templates aren't compatible together and nesting one within a parameter of the other causes errors. In this case id guess both templates employ hidden wikilink syntax, that's why the extra set of square brackets appeared, and the colon was probably there to disable categories. See WP:ANCHOR for more about section links. Regards, Zindor (talk) 18:31, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

HTTPS vs HTTP?
HTTPS vs HTTP

In general, if a web server is doing a 301 Redirect (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTTP_301) to the HTTPS version of the url, should wikipedia list the HTTP or HTTPS url? Gavreh (talk) 02:15, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi I'm not sure I fully understand your question.  If you're referring to the internal blue Wikilinks, they are formatted like this: Wikilinks, Porlock, or WP:TEA .  Since they don't contain the full URL, they are not HTTP or HTTPS specfic.  Orville talk 02:37, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * If you are referring to links to external websites, WP:EL says that https links are preferred. RudolfRed (talk) 02:56, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Ok, thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gavreh (talk • contribs) 03:05, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * No it does not. There is no preference for external links. It does say for Wikipedia articles, https is prefered. Walter Görlitz (talk) 04:49, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * External links says: "preferring, where available". The section mentions internal links but applies to all external-style links. PrimeHunter (talk) 08:32, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * The section is definitely talking solely about inbound external links to Wikimedia. We should rewrite or expand it to clearly state that HTTPS is preferable in all cases of external linking, no matter the target. Zindor (talk) 10:22, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I can’t point to a guideline, but I would expect if you’re adding a new link then you should use the canonical target (after any 30x and stripping unnecessary params). Plus I thought there was a bot that updates http -> https links in the situation that you describe? Pelagic ( messages ) – (23:38 Mon 18, AEDT) 12:38, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I already pointed to the guideline: External links. It might be formulated better but it applies to all external links. https is preferred, even when both work without redirecting. If http redirects to https then there is absolutely no reason to link http. We have bots that update links to some sites which are known to work with https. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:29, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I was attempting to generalise to 301 redirects beyond the http→https case, but was a bit off-topic. Pelagic ( messages ) – (06:36 Tue 19, AEDT) 19:36, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I have clarified the guideline.[//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:External_links&diff=1001162225&oldid=1001015553] PrimeHunter (talk) 14:10, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

The Art Gallery of Calgary vs Valerie Cooper
Does this Lawsuit Merit a Wikipedia Article?

I am a Museum Studies student doing an assignment on on the Art Gallery of Calgary vs Valerie Cooper Lawsuit. I tried to look the case up on wikipedia and when I couldn't find it I thought of making it myself, but I wasn't sure it was appropriate content.

This court case occurred in 2012 and led to the 2019 the AGC amalgamated with two other institutions to form Contemporary Calgary. Because the case is old it is necessary to search Waybackmachine in order to track down some of the original reports. I'd like to write an article on the lawsuit. Permareperterra (talk) 18:57, 18 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Hello,, and welcome to the Teahouse. As with any other subject, the crucial thing is whether the case meets Wikipedia's criteria for notability: principally that there is enough secondary material about it published in reliable sources. If so, you're welcome to take on the (quite difficult) task of writing an article. I suggest you read your first article, and use articles for creation to create a draft that you can work on in peace. --ColinFine (talk) 19:24, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Rather than a stand-alone article, which would likely attract very little in the way of viewers, consider adding content to Contemporary Calgary. That way, the one ref you already have may be sufficient, or if you find more published stuff, cite that, too. David notMD (talk) 19:48, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

Nick Monson
Hi there, I keep seeing an issue regarding https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nick_Monson. Would someone be able to help me with this? Edit544 (talk) 20:10, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * It seems you are referring to the multiple issues template at the top of the article. Each issue contains a link to the appropriate policy and guideline to help you understand the issue.  Since you have a conflict of interest, the best thing you can do is to post on Talk:Nick Monson to suggest additional secondary sources that are reliable and independent of Monson.  I added WikiProject Record production to the talk page in the hopes of drawing other Wikipedians to the article to provide assistance.  GoingBatty (talk) 20:28, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

List of all Compounds
I was looking at all the isotopes of elements and was wondering, if possible, if we could do all the chemical compounds of every element in the world. Could we? UB Blacephalon (talk) 19:29, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi Glossary of chemical formulae and List of inorganic compounds list the most common, but the first link also states why a complete list would not be possible.  Orville talk 19:42, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Then why don't we expand on the lists we do have because I se no superheavy element compounds on there. UB Blacephalon (talk) 20:09, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi Go for it!  You can also discuss the contents of the list article at Talk:Glossary_of_chemical_formulae, and find a community of editors working on improving chemistry-related articles at the Chemistry WikiProject.  Orville talk 20:43, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I have but no one is talking to me...UB Blacephalon (talk) 23:09, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi again it may take days (on some articles a week or more) to get a response on a particular article's talk page.  You may get a quicker response by starting a new discussion on the  Chemistry WikiProject Talk Page. Happy editing!  Orville talk 02:21, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Sounds familiar. Haven't you brought this up previously? Perhaps nobody has anything new to say. —[ Alan M 1  (talk) ]— 10:28, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I think I have before, not that anyone has done anything about it though that I know of. I do have some compounds that are in articles that are not in the list. Even still, its a bit confusing on if a compound has been made or not since the article is vague about it, ya know? UB Blacephalon (talk) 21:53, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

PROBLEM WITH MAKEING A WIKI ON WIKI
I NEED SOME HELP MAKING MY OWN WIKIPEDIA ON WIKI FOR ME AND MY NEW RADIO STATION 97.5

AND SOME PEOPLE OF WIKI SAYING THAT WIKIPEDIA IS NOT THE PLACE FOR MY STATION. DJ JAYLON (talk) 19:45, 18 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Courtesy: Draft:97.5 FOR THE LA. And please do not type all capital letters, as that is considered shouting. David notMD (talk) 19:50, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

 okey can you plase show me how to make a radio station wiki 

i fixed what you say to fixed DJ JAYLON (talk) 20:06, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * No references, no article. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia. Every article has references to published stuff written about the topic. David notMD (talk) 20:13, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * e/c This is an encyclopedia, we have articles about notable topics, it's not a venue for promoting yours or anyone's radio station. If you can provide three reliable independent sources that cover the station in significant detail, it would be a helpful step in creating an article Theroadislong (talk) 20:15, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * See List of radio stations owned by Entercom. Each of those stations on the list is the subject of an existing article, with references. Consider those as examples of what is needed. David notMD (talk) 20:18, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * AND, I am deeply confused. How is this "97.5 R&B for Los Angeles" if it is located in Missouri? David notMD (talk) 20:21, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

no not yet to be going to be on radio in st,Louis soon. i already paid and stuff. DJ JAYLON (talk) 20:43, 18 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Hello, . I'm afraid that, like many people, you have a fundamentally mistaken idea about Wikipedia: the idea that it has anything at all to do with telling the world about yourself and your endeavours. It does not, and people who try to use Wikipedia in that way generally have a frustrating and disappointing experience. If at some time Wikipedia has an article about you or your station, the article will not belong to you, you will not have any control over the contents, and it may very well contain material that you would prefer it did not. (You would be welcome to make suggestions for changes to the article, but those would not necessarily be carried out). Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources.. And promotion of any kind is forbidden. --ColinFine (talk) 21:58, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

question about an image
I ask to a photographer whit e-mail if i can use his image. He accepted but he says "Understood usage only permitted for Wikipedia regarding the Woodstock festival" and that i have to quote the photographer and the source. The image it's really important for the woodstock page. I have to use the "fair use" copyright? i have all the evidence of the conversation on mail. All the Best --TommasoRmndn (talk) 20:46, 18 January 2021 (UTC) TommasoRmndn (talk) 20:46, 18 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Hello, . I'm afraid not. There is almost certainly no way you can use that photo on Wikipedia. One of the founding principles of Wikipedia is that all material is to be freely available for anybody to reuse for any purpose. Unfortunately, if we followed that principle to the end, we would have many fewer picutres than we have, which is why the "fair use" exception exists in Wikipedia. But fair use images are allowed in Wikipedia only if a number of criteria are all met - and one of them is that there is no reasonable chance of a free image becoming available. If you can show that the image and the way you will be using it meet all of those criteria, then you may upload the image to Wikipedia itself, explaining how it meets the criteria (and the owner's permission is irrelevant in this case). If you cannot meet those criteria, then the only way it could be used in Wikipedia is if the copyright owner explicitly licensed it under a copyleft licence such as CC-BY-SA, which would allow anybody to reuse it for any purpose, as long as they gave attribution. From what you say of the photographer's email, he would not give such permission, so I'm afraid you cannot use it here. --ColinFine (talk) 22:04, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

Rock Hendricks Submission
I've tried my first attempt at an article, then when it was held up pending various missing elements and references sections I went back and rewrote the sandbox version to improve various elements, then MOVED it from the sandbox. I think that move may have been a problem as I already had a contribution on the same subject pending.

I confess I'm lost as to where things stand now on my latest contribution effort including changes to make the listing 'notable'. Can someone help set me straight. I'm trying to learn through books, youtube and this site.

Thanks,

Mark D. Metoliusmark (talk) 20:57, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * First, please be sure to read WP:PSCOI and declare any conflict of interest at your user page. It looks like you accidentally moved it incorrectly, and it was moved back to User:Metoliusmark/sandbox.  As I'm writing this, I see that it's now been moved to Draft:Rock Hendricks.  When you've removed the  tags and completed your draft, you can add  to submit your draft for review.  GoingBatty (talk) 21:36, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Please note: I have done a history merge, as the content in the sandbox was developed through many edits after the AfC decline (including adding some references [such as they are; I have removed a circular one to another Wikipedia article]), and so appeared to be the preferred content for review. I have reformatted in various ways and returned the AfC decline and comments.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 21:47, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi Metoliusmark. The issue with the move is taken care of; the draft, including all your edits is now integrated in one page. I have made it so your more recent edits appear but also the comments of the reviewer who declined it. Please see and follow GoingBatty's advice above about disclosure, and what to do when you are ready to re-submit. However, please do not re-submit it in anything like the state it is currently in. It will surely be declined for failing to cite sufficient reliable, secondary, independent sources, verifying the information content, and that treat the topic in substantive detail to demonstrate the subject's notability. You cannot "make" a subject notable by any amount of editing. You can only demonstrate that a subject is already notable by citing sources showing that the world has taken note of them by treating them substantively in the types of sources I mentioned. IMDB is user-generated content and has no value to do so. The Spotify link has no substantive content. As already noted, citing other Wikipedia article is of no value. I suggest reading WP:NERROR. In sum, you need to find and cite the right types of sources. If they don't exist, then don't waste your time; no acceptable article will be possible.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 22:04, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

EasyTimeline fixing
Where can I go to learn more about "Easy"Timelines? I wanted to fix the timeline on Premier of Alberta but only found "Timeline of Alberta Premiers" in curly brackets there. Skimmedmilk62 (talk) 21:53, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Template:Timeline of Alberta Premiers by changing "d/m/Y" to "m/d/Y". GoingBatty (talk) 22:04, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

How do i center in visual edditor?
How do i center tiles in a table in the visual editor? Lionsleeps23 (talk) 20:59, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi, Lionsleeps23, welcome to the Teahouse. You may find an answer in the 'Editing tables' section of the Visual Editor User Guide. Failing that, please describe in more detail what you'd like to achieve with the table and we may be able to help. Is there a specific page you are working on? Regards, Zindor (talk) 23:56, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Whattup, Zindor. Im editing the phonology section of Inuktitut. (I finishe it btw). The original was pretty badly made. There was a voiced section?? Like what. So some tiles are uncentered. Lionsleeps23 (talk) 00:51, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
 * , i went into the source and added 'text-align:center' to the style tag of the table. Did that resolve all the issues for you? Few of us here use Visual Editor, so I'll have to do some research and get back to you on that. Let us know if there's anything else we can help with. Zindor (talk) 01:06, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
 * aw thanks Zindor, your a real one. Lionsleeps23 (talk) 01:12, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

Bata
Bata do not have eyes 152.57.116.106 (talk) 00:30, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Isn't Bata the shoe company? If so, yes they don't have eyes. Although the workers do... if they even do.  Gerald WL  07:02, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * If you have a question or a suggestion, go ahead and express it. -- Hoary (talk) 00:53, 18 January 2021 (UTC)


 * If this is about the fish described in Labeo bata, the picture in that article would seem to disagree with you. If you have a reliable published source that says something about their eyes, please open a discussion at the talk page Talk:Labeo bata. --ColinFine (talk) 12:22, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Or did you mean bats, as the 's' is close to the 'a' on the keyboard? David notMD (talk) 02:52, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

Suggesting a topic
Salsa. Not interested in creating/editing at my age. There is a superb salsa (dance) instructor way over in the UK by the name of Mario Hazarika aka Supermario. Several Youtube videos of him at different Salsa Conventions worldwide are posted. Just wanted to have him included on Wikipedia 108.161.170.122 (talk) 04:08, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
 * You can add your suggestion at Requested articles/Arts and entertainment/Performing arts if you like, but that is no guarantee that someone will create the article (or that he meets Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, called notability. GoingBatty (talk) 04:28, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

1776 Commission
Hi there. The Trump administration's 1776 Commission marked Martin Luther King Day by putting out a "report" that defends the Founding Fathers for owning slaves and attacks the Civil Rights Movement. The WP article needs some help. Can anyone here help? Or point authors in the direction of → 1776 Commission? --93.211.218.85 (talk) 06:06, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
 * What help do you think the article needs specifically? Senator  LEVI  06:13, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
 * If you have suggestions for improving an article, start a discussion on that article's talk page. RudolfRed (talk) 06:15, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

Deleted article

 * Note: This regards the deletion of User:TBrehautStudio21, under WP:CSD.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 05:50, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

Deleted article

Dear Teahouse Readers,

I submitted a carefully prepared article which was verifiable and correct which was promptly sleighted for deletion. Please refer me to a good editor who can help me to resubmit my article. As each item was correct and notable. I don't understand why it was deleted.

Thank you.

Best,

Taisha 172.58.228.83 (talk) 05:37, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi. There's a bunch of issues here but I am dead tired and going to bed, so I leave it to others to explain more but, I just wanted to note that I was going to undelete and move the page to a draft location where you could work on it – given that much of the reason for the deletion was the unfortunate fact that the content was placed by you on your userpage, rather than in a more suitable location – but I cannot undelete it because it was a copyright violation of this site.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 06:00, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
 * To expand on what Fuhgettaboutit says above, we cannot accept text which has been published anywhere else, as a general rule. Even if it was "verifiable and correct" it would still put Wikipedia as a whole in legal jeopardy to host content which is essentially plagiarised. —A little blue Bori  v^_^v  Takes a strong man to deny... 06:24, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

Wikipedia strongly advises against attempts at autobiography (see WP:AUTO). Also, please comment and edit only when logged in. Your account is User:TBrehautStudio21 but when you commented above while not logged in it appeared as from IP address 172.58.228.83.

Is a resubmitted AfC visible to multiple editors?
Hi Everyone, Just wondering when a reviewer declines an AfC and it is resubmitted after completing the improvements, is that resubmission visible to multiple reviewers or only the original reviewer that declined it?

My original draft was reviewed very quickly. I understand there is a backlog of AfC's but I'm just curious.

Many thanks, Midnight713 (talk) 23:55, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi, Midnight713. Nice work on the draft. To answer your question, any reviewer can see and make a decision on your resubmission. I've removed the br tags from your post as mediawiki already parses the whitespace. Best of luck, Zindor (talk) 01:14, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much and thank you for the formatting advice. Learning as I go, little by little... Midnight713 (talk) 07:32, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Given what a good job you did, posting here resulting in the draft being accepted (by me). (That is not the typical result of a post here about an AfC draft.) Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk)
 * That's wonderful! Thank you very much indeed! I will continue to work on some other editing work outside of my article (grammar, citations etc) to get more experience. I've learned a lot from doing my first article, not least the helpfulness of the community here. Many thanks! Midnight713 (talk) 07:32, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

What advice do you have for new, young editors?
I'm 17, and have only recently joined Wikipedia as an editor (though I haven't edited much – only translated a few pieces and made some minor lexical changes to articles for the sake of clarity). Most importantly, I'm interested in becoming more active and joining Wikipedia's community!

What tips and advice might you have for new and young editors like me? What are some of the best ways to integrate quickly into the community? What are some little-known tips about contributing to Wikipedia's trove of knowledge?

Thanks very much! - An interested member Lanterne.wiki (talk) 08:15, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
 * , everyone has their own way of getting started. The best advice is to look around and see what interests you. I personally started in counter-vandalism, however if you want you could try content creation, clearing out backlogs and many more, see WP:DASH for everything you can do. I think a lot of new users miss out how useful some scripts and gadgets are, Twinkle is a must have. Simply going through the "Gadgets" section of preferences will do you good. A good thing for new editors is the adoption program, where expereinced users mentor newer users and help them into the community, teaching them the basics for what they need to know. However, others may have a different opinion, and I'm sure others would like to reply. — Yours, Berrely  • Talk∕Contribs 08:21, 19 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Welcome to Wikipedia! You may be out of the intended age range by now, but this essay addresses our younger editors to remind them to do things like not give out personal data. If you're new to editing wikis in general, you may benefit from taking the interactive tutorial, The Wikipedia Adventure. This cheatsheet is a nice document to refer to when you want to use some of the basic formatting tools on here. I also suggest taking the time to learn how templates work, as it can help cut down time on typing out code.
 * As far as starting out goes, experienced editors recommend contributing to pre-existing articles (as creating a new article from scratch is one of the hardest things to do on here). If you would like ideas as to what articles to improve, you can check out the community portal's "Help out" section, or get suggestions at User:SuggestBot/Requests.
 * An important thing to remember is that Wikipedia is a collaborative project, and editors will have different perspectives which will clash with each other. When you get into a conflict or dispute like this, always try and discuss it first politely on the article's talk page (it can be accessed by clicking the "Talk" tab somewhere at the top of the article).
 * If you're interested in copy editing, you may be interested in joining the Guild of Copy Editors. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 08:29, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
 * , we get this question relatively often, and so I've written an essay on some interesting ways to start which you can find here Also, welcome to Wikipedia! Giraffer (Happy·Wikipedia Day!) 08:37, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Wow, thanks for all these responses! I'll explore the Adopt-a-user program, the Guild of Copy Editors (, thanks for the plug!), and read your essay, ! What a great way to be welcomed to the community! Lanterne.wiki (talk) 08:54, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

RFA
I have 2 questions, I would like to ask about requests for adminship. 1. How do neutral votes effect the RFA vote percentage? 2. What sort of Users get adminship and how should you go about it? 20th anniversary (talk) 21:05, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. I would start with the underlying premise of your questions in that you don't need to be an administrator to be a productive contributor here.  You can do probably 95% of things here without being an administrator.  Being an administrator just means you have extra buttons or functions that would be irresponsible for every user to have(such as being able to delete pages).  If you can demonstrate a need for the administrator tools, such as performing work on Articles for Deletion discussions, reporting vandalism, or other actions, the community would discuss any nomination of you and if it agrees you merit having the tools, grant them to you.  While there are few hard and fast qualifications to be an administrator, it is expected that you have a lengthy edit history of productive contributions that demonstrates that you understand most Wikipedia policies and guidelines.  Typically this takes years and thousands of edits to accomplish- and seeking it out doesn't always work.  It usually occurs naturally when other editors notice your work.  I didn't seek out the toolset, others thought I merited it.
 * Neutral votes are just that- neutral- and do not impact the percentage. 331dot (talk) 21:14, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

Thank you:)


 * The way to go about it involves making a large number of significant improvements to articles over a period of years., you may wish to make a start at this. -- Hoary (talk) 01:39, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

Sounds good, thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 20th anniversary (talk • contribs) 10:51, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

how to add external links
I'm editing this page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Thompson_(film_director)

I'm trying to figure out what I'm doing wrong with the reference #4 for the Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences. Why does the the reference keep showing the whole URL? How do I get it to have that little external link icon? Somapsyche (talk) 03:35, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
 * , it's probably because you didn't add  before the URL. — Tenryuu 🐲  ( 💬 • 📝 ) 04:01, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

Thank you so much! I see you added it for me, you're super! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Somapsyche (talk • contribs) 12:30, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

H0MARUP
I want to have an article special just for my relative. He is a translator. Can I do that? And by the way, I want to know how to make an article on Wikipedia. Thank you! H0MARUP (talk) 13:27, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi there, and welcome to Wikipedia. Policy strongly advices against creating an article for someone you know on Wikipedia, as it will mean you have a conflict of interest, so the article may not be written from a neutral point of view. Most people are notable; chances are, if they were someone would've already created an article about them. Wikipedia has specific guidelines on articles for people, seen at WP:NBIO. I would recomend not creating an article about your relative. However, if you believe they are notable and you can write from a neutral point of view, then H:YFA is a good place to get started. — Yours, Berrely  • Talk∕Contribs 13:32, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Is there a chance you are referring to Draft:Christian Bernert? — Yours, Berrely  •  Berrely  • Talk∕Contribs 13:35, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

Yes, I am talking about him. You can see my drafts? - Yours, User:H0MARUP 13:52, 18 January 2021

Trying to reply a message for user Berrely in my question. How can I do that??? H0MARUP (talk) 14:07, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * You answered successfully,, except that you created a new section, which is not helpful when replying to an existing section. I have removed the header, merging the two section. --ColinFine (talk) 15:18, 18 January 2021 (UTC)


 * And to answer your previous question: everything on Wikipedia is publically viewable - drafts, talk pages, sandboxes, everything. That's why the "Save" button was renamed to "Publish". But only articles in the main space are indexed by external engines such as Google. Please read about notability before doing any further work on your draft: Wikipedia is only interested in topics which have already been written about in reliable sources. --ColinFine (talk) 15:21, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Your draft very, very, little content and no references. This cannot become an article unless there is published stuff about your relative. If there is not, then you should consider abandoning this effort. To delete your draft, at the top put db-userreq inside double curly brackets . An Administrator will come along and delete the draft. David notMD (talk) 18:39, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

Well, yeah there is an online newspaper for him, but I just don't know how to add. Please help! H0MARUP (talk) 11:54, 19 January 2021 (UTC)H0MARUPH0MARUP (talk) 11:54, 19 January 2021 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by H0MARUP (talk • contribs) 10:13, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
 * , your two other drafts are not eligible for inclusion. First, the Austrian thing has nothing to tell and has no references. Second, the anime thing is copied from a fandom site, is unencyclopedic, and has no references. Please read WP:YFA to help you understanding what articles can be made.  Gerald WL  12:48, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

Question by Techvaness
How do I successfully publish a biography of a media personality Techvaness (talk) 10:49, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I assume this refers to Draft:Abena Kyei Boakye. Unfortunally, I am not an admin and therefore cannot see the deleted revisions. In general, the steps to create a new article are as follows:

Congratulations, you have now created a valid Wikipedia article.
 * First, review our guideline on notability, our policy on Verifiability, and our general notability guideline (GNG). Consider whether your  subject  clearly meets the standards listed there. Also, check  if the topic is already covered, perhaps under a different spelling or in a section of an article about a wider topic. You will waste a lot of time, if you create a new article, and then find that the encyclopedia already has an article about that.
 * Second, read how to create Your First Article and referencing for beginners and again consider if you want to go ahead.
 * Third,  This is absolutely required; omitting it can result in you being blocked from further editing. 
 * Fourth, gather sources. You want independent, professionally published, reliable sources with each discussing the subject in some detail. If you can't find several such sources, stop; an article will not be created! Sources do NOT need to be online, or in English, although it is helpful if at least some are. The "independent" part is vital. Wikipedia does not consider as independent sources such as press releases, or news stories based on press releases, or anything published by the subject itself or an affiliate of the subject. Strictly local coverage is also not preferred. Regional or national newspapers or magazines, books published by mainstream publishers (not self-published), or scholarly journals are usually good. So are online equivalents of these. (Additional sources may verify particular statements but not discuss the subject in detail. But those significant detailed sources are needed first.)
 * Fifth, use the article wizard to create a draft under the articles for creation project. This is always a good idea for an inexperienced editor, but in the case of an editor with a conflict of interest it is essential.
 * Sixth, use the sources gathered before (and other sources you may find along the way) to write the article. Cite all significant statements to sources. Do not express opinions or judgements, unless they are explicitly attributed to named people or entities, preferably in a direct quotation, and cited to a source. Do not use puffery or marketing-speak. Provide page numbers, dates, authors and titles for sources to the extent these are available. A title is always needed. Submit the draft when you think it is ready for review. Be prepared to wait a while for a review (several weeks or more).
 * Seventh, when (well perhaps if) your draft is declined, pay attention to the comments of the reviewer, and correct the draft and resubmit it. During this whole process, if you face any unresolvable editing hurdles, or cannot comprehend any editing issue, feel free to post a request and ask the regulars. Repeat this until the draft passes review.
 * Maybe some of the admin folks could have a look at the deleted draft and tell you more precisley. Victor Schmidt mobil (talk) 11:03, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
 * , their talk page shows the deletion as being a speedy G11. Giraffer (Happy·Wikipedia Day!) 11:54, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
 * The text was extremely promotional in nature, with much glowing language about the subject and no sources at all. 331dot (talk) 12:12, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
 * What I meant by that is that, at least IMO, still differences in content deleted under g11. Some things are the worst of the worst, while others are in a way "So, while it is promotional, one could invest a few hours recuing this. Victor Schmidt (talk) 13:11, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

Doraemon
After working on the article, I nominated Doraemon for WP:GAN. I just wished to ask the Teahouse editors to give their opinion on possible edits to further improve the article.--Atlantis77177 (talk) 13:35, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

Is marking articles as stubs considered minor edits?
Basically what the title says. I want to know if it's a minor edit to mark an article as a stub. Is it a minor edit? I would like to know. Toad64 14:25, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * , if it's really a stub according to WP:STUB, then yes it's minor.  Gerald WL  14:29, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for telling me, I appreciate it! Stay safe. Toad64 14:31, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I would say it's always non-minor, since it's a judgement call as to whether it's a stub or not. See WP:MINOR. Also, is there a reason you have your sig say Toad64 instead of your actual username, Toad62? —[ Alan M 1  (talk) ]— 03:56, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

I like to change things up a bit, you know what I mean? Since the process of renaming your entire account is really long, I thought, "Hey, why don't I change my signature?". I won't change it for now, because I think the username Toad64 is nice. BUT, I may change it in the future if I get bored of the name. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Toad62 (talk • contribs) 14:15, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

I just had an idea what if I include my past signature usernames into a new section on my user page? So far, I've only changed it once, but if I change it in the future, it would be nice to know if someone was confused about the username thing. Toad64 14:18, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

Change.Org petition as supporting reference within the body of an article.
Change.Org Petition as additional reference? Hi there. Quick question. Say I want to edit an article about a subject that people are debating: Can a petition on Change.Org be linked to as an additional reference (to show public backing), in support of the published academic and subject expert views on the matter that precede it within the body of that article? I'm not asking whether such a petition would merit an article of its own. Many thanks in advance. Sandwidgiz (talk) 12:08, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. It would be better to have a secondary reliable source that discusses this petition, instead of the petition itself. 331dot (talk) 12:10, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your quick reply. I do have a published article, by a well-respected business journalist that discusses the problem in general and references the academic and expert support, but the article does not reference the petition (rather, I felt, that petition is an artefact in itself). I just felt it added some weight to the other references, as it clearly shows public support (with countless public comments akin to a newspaper article). But thanks for the advice! Much appreciated :)
 * , can you share the link to the article so that a more accurate comment can be made? Also, it is not required to have the petition link. It's not encouraged to, especially if the link is still active. If the petition has ended, it can maybe be included.  Gerald WL  12:57, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your feedback. I'll leave the edit for now and see what happens in the future with further articles, etc. It's nothing major, I just wanted to know whether it was allowed. Cheers! Sandwidgiz (talk) 14:22, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

Question
If a article consists of lines like- "This is a popular book" or "This is a popular Tv channel" then would it be violating Wikipedia's neutral point of view? 103.139.171.67 (talk) 15:11, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse. Yes, popularity is subjective and that sort of language should be reserved for either direct quotes or statements such as "this book sold x copies in its first edition" with a source for that information. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:17, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

Reliable Sources (Non-Google News / Google Books)
I'm looking into improving Slidecasting, but the word "slidecast" and "slidecasting" is basically never used. I nominated the article to have it moved to "Enhanced podcast", but I was curious whether some less official sources were considered reliable or not. I mentioned some sources on Talk:Slidecasting that are from blogs and other non-news sources and I was curious how I would determine if the source is reliable. I'm pretty sure I've seen some guidelines on this, but I don't remember what they are so if you could point me in the right direction that'd be really helpful. I know I've seen people use blog posts, dictionary entries, company websites, and other less official sources but I've always been unsure about using them so I've shied away from it in the past, but I was hoping to learn how and when to use them now that I've got a bit of experience. TipsyElephant (talk) 15:25, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

I also noticed that the Slidecasting article was already mostly relying on blog posts and non-news sources before I started editing it. Should I remove those sources or are they considered reliable in some way? TipsyElephant (talk) 15:34, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

Pages on Other language wikis
In advanced settings we see a logo on which if we tap we get to see that article on other language wikis, but I know an article which is on other language wikipedia but is not shown in that list, Therefore how do I add that article from other language wikipedia to that list. 103.139.171.67 (talk) 15:43, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Underneath the list of Languages, it says 'edit links', click there and it'll take you to the Wikidata item where you can add other language wikipedias. --Paul &#10092;talk&#10093; 16:14, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I see you asked from the mobile version of Wikipedia. It doesn't appear to have a link for unregistered users. Logged in users can enable "Advanced mode" in Settings to get a "More" link on the top right of articles. This includes a "Wikidata item" link where links to other languages can be edited. Unregistered mobile users can switch to the desktop version by clicking "Desktop" at the bottom. Then you get the option Paul mentioned. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:42, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

MAKING A NEW PAGE ABOUT SOMEONE
Hello there, I have been trying to create pages for my son and daughter for a while and really finding it difficult. Can you help me with this please?

My Son is the current Mr World, Jack Heslewood and my daughter is a former Miss England & UK, Kirsty Heslewood.

I hope you can help. Best Wishes, Kerry Heslewood - Mum Kerry Heslewood (talk) 14:08, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. You may not be aware of it, but you have been given some good advice on your user talk page, User talk:Kerry Heslewood, that I would recommend that you read and review the policies linked to therein(if you haven't already).  The main issue I see with your draft is that you provided no independent reliable sources to support its content.  A Wikipedia article about a person must summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage say about the person, showing how they meet the special Wikipedia definition of a notable person. Wikipedia is not social media to merely tell about someone.  Successfully writing a new Wikipedia article is the absolute hardest thing to do here, and most people fail in their first attempts, especially if they have not edited existing articles first.  It's harder to do when one has a conflict of interest, as well. 331dot (talk) 14:17, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
 * You could take an existing article on a Mister World, such as that for Rohit Khandelwal as a template for a new article. However, as you have been advised, the main problem when writing about someone close to you is to be neutral (see WP:NPOV) and only include material in well-known reliable sources such a newspapers that are independent of the subject: which means, usually, that the source is not just based on interviews. If you can find, say, four such sources than you should be OK. The initial draft doesn't need to be long, it just needs to show that WP:NOTABILITY. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:36, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Your draft User:Kerry Heslewood/sandbox has no references, and it also has hyperlinks in the body of the draft, which are not allowed. David notMD (talk) 16:49, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

Embarrassing question
I am fairly experienced on wikipedia and I have recently written a new article in Draft:Hydrogenated MDI (H12MDI). I cant remember or workout how to submit it for review - please help. GRALISTAIR (talk) 14:37, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello, that's not something to be embarrassed about. Next time you want to submit a draft for review just insert  at the top of the page. I have already inserted this at the top of your draft.  Senator  LEVI  14:58, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
 * The article has been accepted and is now live., do you need a chemical drawing for the compound? I can put an .svg file on Commons if you're not going to do that yourself. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:13, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
 * The required code is . PrimeHunter (talk) 16:45, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

Thankyou very much indeed. Yes please a drawing of the chemical compound would be great thank you. GRALISTAIR (talk) 16:52, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

Alexandra Aguirr (talk) 14:21, 19 January 2021 (UTC)Aprove for my draft Álvaro Coutinho Aguirre
Hi, I am creating a page for my grandfather. He was the first to create a non private reserv for animals in Brazil (!), and had no Wikipedia page. I created one in Portuguese, he is already in wikidata, and created one in Spanish, not linked, because who created the wikidata, didnt add the Spanish language, and I dont have permission to do it. And I have my draft in English waiting since september for the second revision. It is very important to disseminate his work, mainly at these times, when nature in general is not respected. I´ve been to #wikipedia-en-help, some of the volunteers took the name of the draft, but I had no answer so far. So I am writting to see if I have to complete anything, data, references, etc. I trully appreciate any help, thank you very much. Alexandra

ÞÞ Alexandra Aguirr (talk) 14:21, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Waiting since September is a long time, but there is unfortunately no way to speed up the process; drafts are reviewed by volunteers who do what they can when they can, in no particular order.  Wikipedia is not concerned with disseminating your grandfather's work, but in getting the draft right.  You will need to continue to be patient. 331dot (talk) 14:23, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Welcome to The Teahouse . It needs a complete re-write to make any sense, it looks like it has been machine translated? Theroadislong (talk) 14:26, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

Hi 331dot thank for your message, and yes I am waiting! :) Hi Theroadislong thank you for your message here and at may gandfathers draft. I did the translation from portuguese. with the help of a distant relative from England. A complete re-write to make any sense looks a bit offensive, as it doesnt has any sense at all, what I dont believe. But anyway, thanks for your contribution, anyone is always welcome! :) Alexandra Aguirr (talk) 17:53, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

Trying to get help creating an (English) Biography page that already exists in German
A German Wiki page exists for my grandfather Josef Fraenkel (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josef_Fraenkel), but I wondered how I can flag this to Wiki editors that it should be in English Wiki too? The instructions for this are unbelievably complicated! And I do not speak German so I cannot even work out how to tag that article that it needs translating. Does anyone have any simple advice please? NB Josef was a British citizen from about 1940 - 1987 when he died, was published in England, and all his direct living relatives are in the UK, so it only seems logical. Thanks.

There are even a perfect categories for him... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category_talk:Jews_who_immigrated_to_the_United_Kingdom_to_escape_Nazism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Jewish_historians#F Bubbeles (talk) 17:16, 19 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Hello, . Unfortunately, since Wikipedia is entirely created by volunteers who work on what they want to work on, when they choose to work on it, flagging that an article should exist often achieves nothing, unless you happen to catch the attention of an editor who might be interested. There is a formal place to request articles - requested articles - but that often seems more like a graveyard of ideas. Possibly the best place would be to try and find an appropriate WikiProject, and ask there, since the members are more likely to have some interest in the subject. You could also try looking through the category Category:Translators de-en; but that will only identify the editors who have at some time said they were available to translate. You would probably need to look at each one: at their user page, to see if they have said anything about their availability, and at their user contributions, so see if they appear to be currently active (and also to get an idea of the kinds of subject they have translated articles on). If you find some suitable candidates, you could ask on their User talk pages. I don't know a way to shorten or automate this task, though.
 * Looking at de:Josef Fraenkel, I see there may be a problem, in that the sources given may not be enough to satisfy en-wiki's criteria for notability. There are only two given. The Adunka appears to be a nine-page paper in a volume from Edinburgh University Press, a reliable publisher: that is almost certainly a good source; but one source is not usually enough to establish notability. The other source is an entry in a biographical handbook: that could mean anything from a two-line listing to a three page essay: the latter would work for notability, but the former would not. (The titles in the Schriften are all presumably by Fraenkel, and so cannot contribute to notability). And indeed anybody who translated should see those sources rather than just copy the citations across. --ColinFine (talk) 18:26, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

Editing Wikipedia
Edit and add titles and subtitles I am responsible to update some school's Wikipedia pages. They have a huge change in the content and also their title and subtitles. I want to update them somehow that looks natural and is not violent of Wikipedia rules. Could you help me with this? Ninasaas (talk) 17:25, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. When you say you are "responsible to update", I take that to mean you work for or represent the school. If that is true, you must read the conflict of interest and paid editing policies, for information on formal disclosures you are required to make. You are welcome to propose edit requests on article talk pages, detailing changes you feel are needed, if those changes are sourced to reliable sources. 331dot (talk) 17:28, 19 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Hello,, and welcome to the Teahouse. The thing that you and the school must understand is that you do not own Wikipedia's article about your school: it should summarise only what independent sources say about it. Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources.. So, by all means make edit requests, but information you give will probably not be added unless it can be found in such an independent source. That is why the edits you have so far made to Nagoya International School have all been reverted: they were promotional, saying what the school wants to say, not what independent commentators have said. Your own website is the place for promotional text, not Wikipedia. --ColinFine (talk) 18:41, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

Donations Alternative
Hello. I love this website a lot and feel very bad every time I am asked or want to donate. I am still in high school and have no credit card to donate with. I know many other readers have the same problem so I thought of a solution! Wikipedia is nom-profit right? So they don't use ads to get money and depend on donation. But what if Wikipedia did make money threw sponsorships? My idea is that if reader can't donate threw credit card or other electronic currency, then Wikipedia can ask to redirect them to a different Wikipedia owned website that shows the viewer an AD or some other sort of sponsorship thing, and boom, Wikipedia now gets money there sponsorships on a different website and viewers can OPTIONALLY donate without using online currency! I think its a good idea but there are probably more things to it that you guys have to do or reasons I don't know why you can't but know that many people want to donate but can't because they have no form of online currency. Thanks! 2600:1700:4940:1E80:A045:E8AC:F252:B2F8 (talk) 18:12, 19 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Hello, and welcome to the Teahouse. Thank you for wanting to donate: but do not worry. There is absolutely no requirement on you (or anyone) to donate; and at present, the Wikimedia Foundation is not struggling to find enough money to keep the servers running. Please continue to enjoy Wikipedia and the other wikis that the Foundation runs. If you really want to donate, there are other ways than credit cards: see Ways to Give/en.  --ColinFine (talk)
 * Ads for Wikipedia is a perennial proposal that is usually rejected because advertising is non-neutral. I'll just be more specific in that you can mail a check to Wikipedia if you wish(and as you may not have a checking account, perhaps a parent, guardian, or other adult friend could donate for you). Again, though, donating is not required, be it now or when you are an adult with a credit card.  Though Wikipedia runs on donations, and is looking to create an endowment so future donations are of reduced necessity, its finances are stable and Wikipedia is not in jeopardy. 331dot (talk) 19:07, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

Vandalism Revert?
Hi, I recently had an edit reverted on the friendlyjordies article, with vandalism being the reason. I presume in good faith that the reason for the revert was simply that it was tagged with "possible BLP issue or vandalism" rather than an implication of intentional wrongdoing, though I asked the editor who reverted it and haven't gotten a response. Having a look at the actual tag on Special:Tags it seems any edit on a biography of a living person with a word such as "corruption", among others, will get the tag (do I have that correct?). I redid the edit thinking it was a possible typo I made that triggered the tag/reversion, but it wasn't as the tag remains, so I do assume it was just the word "corruption".

What is the correct thing to do here? (Assuming I interpreted what happened correctly) should I just not add any edits to biographies of living persons that contain words like "corruption", "fraud", "fired", etc lest it gets instantly reverted? Thanks. Volteer1 (talk) 15:20, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi Volteer1. No, you should not modify anything you are doing as a result of this. This was patently an incorrect and improper revert by the user in question, who should never have tagged your edit as "vandalism", even if there could have been some valid reason to revert you (though I can't see any). There may be a good explanation (we all make mistakes – a few weeks ago, I rolled back another user's edit with a misclick without even realizing I had done it; just postulating: maybe the user had multiple tabs open, and had a moment of confusion between your edit, and  another user's addition of "fart" to our article on Beethoven; who knows). But we reserve the use of "vandalism" for edits that are obviously intended to harm. We don't use it even for incredibly poor and misplaced edits, which, though they should properly be reverted, might have been made in good faith. We all take  responsibility for our own edits. This is on them, not you. Chalk this one up to the inexplicable, until you get an explanation by the user. As I have linked his or her username in this post, they will be pinged here, and maybe can explain. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 15:52, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
 * P.S. Addressing something else in your post: the fact that an automated process tagged your edit as possible vandalism to a BLP, when it was not—though it potentially prompted the ensuing revert—is no vindication of it. If that is the case, then the result should be for the user to slow down and be more careful. I think that is likely to play out here, as the user's talk page has another user complaining about a nearly identical improper revert, with the automated tag as the reason for reverting as "vandalism", as if that's at all a valid excuse.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 16:03, 19 January 2021 (UTC)


 * I see, thanks Fuhghettaboutit. Definitely a little bit frustrating but it's good to know it's nothing I should be having to worry about. Volteer1 (talk) 16:29, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
 * @Volteer1: You're welcome. I'll note that upon investigating, I discovered that this was a far wider issue than it appeared at first glance – a pattern of these vandalism reverts and warnings for good faith edits was revealed. I have followed-up here.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 19:09, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

"CentralAuth token expired"
I logged in and it gave me a page that can't make me go back to in red text that CentralAuth token has expired. What does that mean and am I compromised? 🔥Lightning<b style="color:orange">Complex</b><b style="color:dijon">Fire</b>🔥 18:40, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
 * it means that your central login session expired or got lost. Please check if you are blocking cookies for the wiki you are trying to login on and login.wikimedia.org. Victor Schmidt (talk) 18:48, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
 * , I don't know what that is 🔥<b style="color:red">Lightning</b><b style="color:orange">Complex</b><b style="color:dijon">Fire</b>🔥 18:49, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
 * "central login" or "central auth" refers to a feature in the software behind Wikipedia that you can login on one Wiki (for example, en.wikipedia.org) and are simultaneously logged on on other Wikis of the same Wikifarm (for example, de.wikipedia.org). For that purpose, the software behind Wikipedia uses short-lived tokens and cookies on the domain https://login.wikimedia.org. Those tokens have a limited lifetime of I think 10 seconds. The error message means that the token had expired when the software attempted to use it. There are two reasons why this message could appear: 1) network failures or 2) blocked cookies/cross-origin-scripts/etc. Victor Schmidt (talk) 19:06, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
 * , Ok, I thought someone hacked me or something 🔥<b style="color:red">Lightning</b><b style="color:orange">Complex</b><b style="color:dijon">Fire</b>🔥 19:11, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

Table
I need help fixing the table under List of Jewish American politicians. For those who served in the Trump administration, in the Cabinet, the table is not formatted properly and Steve Mnuchin is on the outside of the table. Can someone please help format this correctly? Thank you. Pennsylvania2 (talk) 19:32, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
 * ✅, . I have no idea what happened there, and I'm no table expert, but I think I've fixed it. Regards, Giraffer (Happy·Wikipedia Day!) 19:55, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you so much!!! Pennsylvania2 (talk) 19:58, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
 * No problem. Giraffer (Happy·Wikipedia Day!) 20:03, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

Referencing query
Could someone explain what is/does?

Thank you Maryanne Cunningham (talk) 18:52, 18 January 2021
 * Assuming you're talking about just, it's a shortcut interwiki link to Wikipedia's sister project Wikisource. — Tenryuu 🐲  ( 💬 • 📝 ) 19:06, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you U:Tenryuu. All I want to do is continue using a referencing system in an article started by someone else, which doesn't seem to be possible. "Linking to Wikisource" means nothing to me: I don't know what it is and it doesn't seem to fulfil any of the (much publicised) need for independent verifiability, as it just takes you to another wikipedia page. Maryanne Cunningham (talk) 19:14, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Which article are you referring to and where are you seeing it? It's possible that it could be linked for further reading on the subject. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 19:20, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * The article is Vortimer. Thank you U:Tenryuu. (I don't know if this is the correct way of adding your username, I do apologise if I've got it wrong.) Maryanne Cunningham (talk) 19:34, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * , I am not receiving pings from you because the software does not recognise  as a namespace. It's better to use something like  or . — Tenryuu 🐲  ( 💬 • 📝 ) 19:48, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you . I'm slightly confused. Have you not just pinged me, using u (or was that )? Or did I just use the wrong brackets? Maryanne Cunningham (talk) 20:12, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * ,, The one with the U in it seems to work best, or didn't it ping you? Maryanne Cunningham (talk) 20:22, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * , you were using square brackets (which create a link) instead of curly brackets (which create a template, which can be heavily customised to perform certain actions like notifying users). The two examples that I provided are meant to be copy-pasted when reading, not editing. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 20:43, 18 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Hello, : it's not a Wikipedia page, but a Wikisource page; but otherwise you're quite right: most Wikis are user-generated, and so unacceptable as sources. What goes between the &lt;ref> and &lt;/ref> should be a citation of an external source. However, if that source happens to be available in Wikisource, then it would be acceptable to include a link to the wikisources page (which would look something like, but I'd have to look up how you specified a particular chapter or page) within the citation, just as you can include a link to a copy Google books. But that link does not replace the citation, it supplements it. And I'm not sure whether the citation templates (which are not mandatory, but most people use them) have a parameter for an interwiki link as opposed to a URL. --ColinFine (talk) 19:20, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * (ec) Hi, Maryanne, Wikisource being a "sister project" to Wikipedia means that it's also hosted by the Wikimedia Foundation, but functions separately from the encyclopedia. It's a repository for free books (and other documents). One of its major functions is that scanned/photographed pages are transcribed by volunteers to produce more usable text. In this view of page 404 from Six Old English Chronicles, you can see the image of the printed page side-by-side with the transcribed text. Hope that makes sense, Pelagic ( messages ) – (07:35 Tue 19, AEDT) 20:35, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks ! Maryanne Cunningham (talk) 21:21, 18 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Thank you . Could you explain what  means. Why does a reference begin with code? (the pages with advice on referencing, and there are many, all seem to advocate starting with either or some other combination of brackets and the word ref). Maryanne Cunningham (talk) 19:34, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * The &#x3C;nowiki&#x3E;something special&#x3C;/nowiki&#x3E; code tells the software to treat its contents as plain text and not interpret any special wiki markup. Compare italic versus italic. Pelagic ( messages ) – (07:47 Tue 19, AEDT) 20:47, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Aha, thanks Maryanne Cunningham (talk) 21:21, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * In help and discussion pages, when it discusses wikitext, it's usually intended that you copy it when the article. If you are in edit mode, you will see the things like &lt;nowiki&gt; tags and  templates, which are used to format/link the code for viewing. You are meant to copy the code when viewing the page, not when editing it. For example, if I write that you should use  , it means you should copy the code displayed when reading the page, from &lt;ref&gt; through &lt;/ref&gt;, without all the &lt;nowiki&gt; and &lt;code&gt; tags and &#123;&#123;Tlx&#125;&#125; and &#123;&#123;=&#125;&#125; templates that you see when you edit this page. I hope that makes sense (it's hard to explain it without using the same techniques I'm writing about). —[  Alan M 1  (talk) ]— 04:27, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you . Maryanne Cunningham (talk) 20:30, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

Adding persons or institutions
I'd like to add some people and institutions to the free fund of knowledge. How do I become a contributor? 66.191.87.58 (talk) 16:58, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. You can, at least in theory, yust give it a go. I do need to say however, that sucessfully creating a new article is one of the hardest tasks one can start on Wikipedia. There are guides available here here or here. Victor Schmidt (talk) 17:29, 19 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Hi! Welcome to Wikipedia!
 * Creating a new article is one of most difficult tasks at Wikipedia (and some users consider it the most difficult). Based on my own experience, I would strongly recommend you not to hurry. It's better to stay here for some time and read, read and once again read to grasp a feeling of what an article should contain and what it should look like. Then start doing minor fixes, updates and expansions. In the meantime talk to other users to get comments and comment yourself on what you and others are doing. And only then you may hope you're ready to write a new article from scratch successfully.
 * Of course you need to know about the most important rules and policies of Wikipedia, starting from Five pillars through Verifiability, Notability (with its specific subsections for people and for organizations and companies, at least), WP:COPYVIO, WP:COI & WP:PAID, and others, like WP:OWN. These, and many more, are listed at List of policies and guidelines.
 * You don't have to learn them all by heart - but you need to know they exist and remember they apply also to you.
 * And the simplest way to learn them is by assimilation, which requires time.
 * Meanwhile you can try to take the The Wikipedia Adventure to learn Wikipedia basic features.
 * Good luck! CiaPan (talk) 20:38, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

Certification for linguistic proficiency?
Hi!

I've noticed that some people, such as have certification for linguistic proficiency on their User Pages. Are these given by Wikipedia itself, do users who have these upload official certificates for approval from Oversight, or are these self-reported?

Thanks! --Lanterne.wiki (talk) 09:11, 19 January 2021 (UTC) Lanterne.wiki (talk) 09:11, 19 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Userboxes indicating language skills are based on the user's self-evaluation of their proficiency. They are not certifications, and the levels in the userboxes don't correspond to any official language proficiency test scale. Regards, --bonadea contributions talk 09:22, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Ah, good to know. Thanks very much! --Lanterne.wiki (talk) 09:29, 19 January 2021 (UTC)


 * It can be helpful to know that a user is proficient in a particular language, for instance if you need help evaluating whether a source is good, but mainly, these userboxes serve to give other editors a bit of information about yourself. It makes us all look less like faceless anonymous Internet strangers, without adding any information that could serve to identify the person outside Wikipedia! More information about language user boxes here. --bonadea contributions talk 09:31, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
 * As an addition to 's comment, adding those userboxes to a user page also categorises them. If you're looking for someone who's a native German speaker, you can go to Category:User de-N to find an index of all the user pages that have had added on them. — Tenryuu 🐲  ( 💬 • 📝 ) 21:16, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

Obtaining Advice
In the discussion following rejection of my article Draft:Direction Finding by Amplitude Comparison for the first time, it was suggested that a better introduction to the topic would help. However, a second editor, in rejecting the article, suggests the problem is more basic than that! My aim in the article is to show, specifically, how to obtain the bearing of a transmitter from the signals received by an array of microwave antennas. It was not my aim to write a general or woolly article on microwave direction finding. In any case, a general description of RF direction finding already exists. I know that the techniques described will only be of interest to a few, but even though established many years ago they are still in use today. The article does contain mathematics, but many articles already on Wiki are more complicated. Is there anything I can do to make my article acceptable to Wiki editors, or should I abandon it altogether. Please advise. D1ofBerks (talk) 15:22, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello, . I can see you've put a lot of work into that draft. What concerns me is whether it might be original research. Is each derivation present in a single one of your sources? If not, that would be Synthesis. --ColinFine (talk) 18:03, 19 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Hi, Thank you for replying to my query.   The content of the article has been well established for a number of years, so I don’t think it could be called original research.    However, it is true that I refer to a number of sources, but as these cover much the same material and are not contradictory at all (they just say the same thing in slightly different ways), I don’t think its synthesis.    I aim is to present the basic concepts on how a bearing value is derived in what I hope is a clear manner and give enough references for those who wish to pursue the matter further.  D1ofBerks (talk) 23:22, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

Birthday
73.92.16.111 (talk) 22:03, 19 January 2021 (UTC)Arthur Chagn
 * Do you have a question for the Teahouse? <b style="color:#7F007F">TimTempleton</b> <sup style="color:#800080">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  23:46, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

What is going on at Carmel Convent School?
The article history looks really really weird to me, I've got no clue what to do here. Can someone more experienced take a look at it? Skarmory  (talk •   contribs)  00:49, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Many school articles see a lot of vandalism from students in the school themselves. Many also contain information that is not properly sourced to reliable sources. This one's history does not look too strange for a school to me; you could improve it by looking for reliable sources yourself and editing the text for grammar, flow, etc. ◢ <i style="background-color:#F7E3F7; color:#960596"> Ganbaruby! </i>  (Say hi!) 01:09, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

Kerwin Walton Wiki Page
Can someone help with Kerwin Walton the basketball player from North Carolina wiki page he's a very humble kid but he should have a page think he's leading all time scorer at his former high school Valid773 (talk) 01:03, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Any subject must fulfill the notability guidelines to have an article: either the general notability guideline or the basketball-specific notability guideline. In both cases, you must have sufficient reliable sources to back up any information in the article. High school/college athletes rarely hit the notability guideline, so I'd make sure you have enough sources to demonstrate notability. ◢ <i style="background-color:#F7E3F7; color:#960596"> Ganbaruby! </i>  (Say hi!) 01:12, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

uploading an image to an existing page
I am working on editing this page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Thompson_(film_director) I have permission to use an image which I uploaded to this page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Lightcone.BrucePosner.jpg#filelinks How do I get that image to show on the main page? It's a picture of the person, obviously... Somapsyche (talk) 23:33, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
 * It looks like the image was deleted because the permission wasn't given properly. Please see this for info about the permission that you need to grant to Wikipedia when uploading images. A suitable license would be Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported and GNU Free Documentation License. <b style="color:#7F007F">TimTempleton</b> <sup style="color:#800080">(talk)  <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  23:45, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

So it looks like only the person holding the copyright is able to upload? When I read the instructions, it includes and option for my having been given permission to use the image. So I don't understand how it works. If I have permission, how do I get it on the webpage? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Somapsyche (talk • contribs) 00:05, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Copyright is pretty confusing. You shouldn't upload on behalf of the copyright holder! Like what the response above says, follow the steps at WP:CONSENT, and read WP:DCM for more info.
 * Alternatively, we encourage media uploads to be done at Wikimedia Commons instead. Over there, there's a helpful copyright release tool at Commons:Commons:Wikimedia OTRS release generator, which streamlines the process (see Commons:Commons:OTRS for more info). The difference between uploading to the English Wikipedia and Wikimedia Commons is that uploads to Commons can be used on any Wikimedia project, while uploads to the English Wikipedia can only be used on the English Wikipedia. ◢ <i style="background-color:#F7E3F7; color:#960596"> Ganbaruby! </i>  (Say hi!) 01:26, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

Template:Satmar (Hasidic dynasty)
Something is wrong with Template:Satmar (Hasidic dynasty) and I can't figure out how to fix it. Can someone please help? Thank you, Charlie Smith FDTB (talk) 04:05, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi Charlie Smith FDTB. Can you explain what problem you see or are encountering with its use? The template is displaying fine as far as I can tell.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 05:49, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I guess you refer to unwanted whitespace at "Organizations", "Communities" and "Books and publications" in [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Satmar_(Hasidic_dynasty)&oldid=1000871703]. Some of the parameters had non-breaking spaces which are not stripped. I have removed them.[//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Satmar_(Hasidic_dynasty)&diff=1000922556&oldid=1000871703] PrimeHunter (talk) 11:08, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Every so often, I've wasted time hunting down problems that end up being due to embedded nbsps and other unusual characters that I can't see a legit reason to be in wikitext. Has it been considered to have an edit filter to prevent these (or at least warn, if there an occasional legitimate reason for them)? —[  Alan M 1  (talk) ]— 10:09, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * There was a proposal to tag at Edit filter/Requested/Archive 11. It was in response to a specific VisualEditor issue which was fixed. MOS:NBSP says: "Insert non-breaking and thin spaces symbolically (,,  or  ), never by entering them directly into the edit window from the keyboard". I don't know any legitimate uses. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:28, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much. Charlie Smith FDTB (talk) 01:53, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

Would like help in editing my draft CallRail @Theroadislong
I'm pretty new to this, so please excuse me if I'm writing this note in the wrong place. My recent article submission, CallRail, was declined by Theroadislong. I would like your help in understanding how I can improve this submission. When creating the article, I used an existing Wikipedia page as my guide. I studied their sources and how they framed up the topic with the hope that my post would not get flagged. Can you help me further understand and point me in the right direction? I can strip the copy down to sound more neutral but would like some guidance in terms of source finding, etc.

Thanks, AzumSauce07 (talk) 23:32, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello, . The quality of the references is all-important when writing a Wikipedia article. What is required are multiple reliable sources that are completely independent of the topic (the company in this case), and these sources must devote significant coverage to the topic. What I see are directory listings, funding announcements, promotional websites and coverage obviously generated by company press releases. It is the quality of sources that matters, not the quantity. Please read Notability (organizations and companies). Reviewers take those standards seriously. <b style="color:#070">Cullen</b><sup style="color:#707">328   Let's discuss it  00:43, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * , I see that you have declared that you are a paid editor. I also see that you have a total of eight edits to date. I am curious why you think that you are qualified to write an acceptable article about a corporation with so little experience? <b style="color:#070">Cullen</b><sup style="color:#707">328  Let's discuss it  00:52, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Not all existing articles deserve to exist. Thus, modeling on an existing article is no guarantee for success. David notMD (talk) 01:54, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * (Ed) Indeed. For structure, tone, standard headings, categories, navboxes, etc. existing articles are a great guide. But the primary hurdle of notability is a separate thing.
 * Having said that, on a quick glance at the article, some parts (like the lead) read as objective descriptions, but others less so. For example Conversation Intelligence was launched around the same time as Form Tracking. It works by automatically recording calls and using artificial intelligence (AI) to transcribe and analyze phone calls.. That may be true, but does it primarily tell the reader what it is?  Or only indirectly?  I would write something like "Conversation Intelligence" is a feature/module/whatever that records calls and uses Artificial Intelligence (AI) to transcribe and analyze phone calls. It was launched in year.[ref]  And even then, is listing products and services the best way to describe what CallRail is? Our aim isn’t to sell CallRail to prospective customers.
 * Stylistic matters aside, the real question is "is CallRail significant enough to deserve an encyclopedia article?" Or are you just trying to improve the way you show up in Google, Alexa, and so on? There is a fundamental tension here: G, A, etc. use Wikipedia because our contents are supposedly vetted and kinda "reliable". If we were an indiscriminate listing of self-described company promos then we would be of no value to them. They could just pull their info cards straight from the official company websites. Or you could pay Google to get an ad listing at the top of the SERP.
 * Sorry for the rant. When it comes to sources, I would normally respect Forbes, but "5 Website Tools To Boost Your Marketing Campaigns" doesn’t sound like critical journalistic output. SearchEngineLand I would think is well-regarded. A local newspaper's local business awards might count for something but how important is that in the global scheme of things? Atlanta's not exactly a small town, but would a reader in Stuttgart or Mumbai care to whom AJC awarded a great workplace award?
 * — Pelagic ( messages ) – (01:09 Tue 19, AEDT) 14:09, 18 January 2021 (UTC)
 * It’s a Forbes "contributor" piece so useless in terms of reliability. SK2242 (talk) 01:57, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
 * A more accurate link is WP:FORBESCON. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 02:01, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

Reference Lists
Unsure about how to properly format the references section on a page... whenever i attempt to do it, the font too large and not indented TheExpertOnEVERYTHING22 (talk) 04:33, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I looked through your edits and I'm not sure which page you're referring to. Take a look at Help:Footnotes for help, or look at any page with properly formatted references and try to copy that syntax. ◢ <i style="background-color:#F7E3F7; color:#960596"> Ganbaruby! </i>  (Say hi!) 04:37, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Help:Referencing for beginners may also be helpful. I see you've edited Caine and Playford International College - both articles have properly formatetd reference sections.  GoingBatty (talk) 04:42, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

Position of the Contents
How do I move the Contents below the Top Introduction? Ggae1885 (talk) 00:49, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Courtesy link: Draft:Rita Asfour
 * The table of contents automatically appears beneath the introduction and above the first header. In your case, you have a header above your first paragraph, so the table of contents appears above that. You'll need to remove the header for it to appear where you want. ◢ <i style="background-color:#F7E3F7; color:#960596"> Ganbaruby! </i>  (Say hi!) 01:06, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
 * You moved the draft to articlespace too soon, as you have not provided any references. To avoid it being deleted, you may want to move it back to draftspace and continue working on it.  Happy editing!  GoingBatty (talk) 05:01, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

Are you allowed to reply to discussions at ANI?
I was just wondering so I don't get in any trouble wit dicussion there. SoyokoAnis 22:40, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
 * , welcome to the Teahouse. Yes, you are allowed to contribute to discussion at ANI even if you're not an administrator; just make sure that it's constructive. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 22:45, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
 * , thanks! Are you also allowed to contribute to discussion on the Teahouse or only Teahouse hosts? SoyokoAnis  00:35, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
 * , if you believe you have an answer that solves whatever problem the asker has, you may add your input. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 01:21, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
 * , okay! Thank you! SoyokoAnis  07:09, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi . The Teahouse tends to be a bit friendlier and more forgiving of a place than ANI; so, before posting anything at ANI, I suggest you take a careful look at WP:ANI advice. Wading into the middle of a heated ANI discussion when you're not very familiar with the process or you're not directly involved in what's being discussed might not be the best way to pass the time on Wikipedia. ANI discussions tend to be heated because ANI is usually where editors go to try and get someone else WP:BLOCKed. -- Marchjuly (talk) 08:03, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
 * And on occasion, get blocked themselves. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 08:17, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

Why would you change something back from an edit that is widely known without checking your resources that something is not correct. Chris Stirewalt was Laid of and that's all there is to it.
162.234.162.5 (talk) 01:51, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello IP editor. Every content addition you make in articles should be accompanied with a reliable source, so the information can be verified. If you need help adding references, check out this guide. SK2242 (talk) 02:24, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

=== Chris Stirewalt was laid of by Fox News. It is being reported by the Washington Examiner, The Los Angeles Times went as far as to say fired, The Daily Mail,The Washington Post, Fox News and many other news outlets. ===

Chris Stirewalt was laid of by Fox News. It is being reported by the Washington Examiner, The Los Angeles Times went as far as to say fired, The Daily Mail,The Washington Post, Fox News and many other news outlets.

In response I was told

Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to vandalize Wikipedia Yada Yada Yada. This is important information that people should know. If the student maintaining this record is hurt by this development the student should be reassigned to a new subject that the student can maintain impartially.

Otherwise this Wikipedia is the last place you will find out facts because it will be the last place to update them. 162.234.162.5 (talk) 02:20, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
 * His firing is in the article now. However, all three of your edits were written in a very unencyclopedic tone and were rightly reverted. Wikipedia is ok with being "the last place to find out facts" because we rely on other sources to report first. We do not publish original research.  ◢ <i style="background-color:#F7E3F7; color:#960596"> Ganbaruby! </i>  (Say hi!) 03:59, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
 * The opening paragraph already said "Fox News laid him off in January 2021" with sources before your edits. It was there during all your edits. PrimeHunter (talk) 09:38, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

my miss anand
122.167.70.210 (talk) 06:55, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
 * my miss anand too.  Gerald WL  07:07, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Anand Senator  LEVI  07:18, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
 * & &larr; an "and" ... Pelagic ( messages ) – (18:50 Tue 19, AEDT) 07:50, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

Help
hello everyone, can someone improve my page? you are welcome Ali banu sistani (talk) 02:50, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello, which page are you referring to? SK2242 (talk) 03:40, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
 * , is it perhaps your userpage you are referring to? I notice you have several userboxes on there declaring userrights not associated with your account. If you have an alt-account that is part of those groups then please declare it, otherwise I'd highly recommend removing said userboxes. That would certainly be an improvement to your page. Zindor (talk) 12:54, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

How to deal with a disruptive user
Hi, I'm having trouble dealing with a disruptive user: They've been reverting edits by loads of people, including myself, providing very little justification or reasoning if any at all, accusing me of vandalism even though my edits were based on a primary source included as a reference in my edits, had an edit summary explaining the changes, and had a discussion on the talk page.

When I asked them to stop behaving this way on their talk page they first deleted my comments with no response twice, and when I restored them, they basically said that unregistered users don't matter, and accused me of vandalism again.

This is not an isolated case for this user: Other people have pointed out their disruptive behaviour, and been met with similar responses: Accusations of being a bot, continued accusations of vandalism even when it is clearly not the case, more "you're not even a registered user" type comments, and deletions of entire comment threads and warnings whenever they feel like it.

The thing is, I don't think this person is a vandal, so I'm not sure if a block request would be appropriate at this stage. They do seem to want to help in some way. It's just that they're doing it very badly and being very disruptive as a result. But while things would have been fine if it was just a new user who needed guidance, this user is being very hostile towards any attempts to correct their behaviour, with warnings having no effect at all.

Despite all my explanations, and another user trying to engage them as well, the user has persevered in accusing me of vandalism, and though he has not done so yet, stated that he intends to revert my edits again. I'm really at my wit's end here, how do you deal with a user like this? 109.236.4.20 (talk) 18:50, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello, IP user, and welcome to the Teahouse. When it's a content dispute, then DR tells you how to proceed. But it sounds as if it's a behavioural issue. If you have tried to discuss it with the editor in question, and they're still doing it, then WP:ANI is the place to report it. Note that 1) you should provide links to the postings/diffs that you are unhappy with; 2) you must notify the other party; and 3) admins will look into your behaviour as well: see WP:BOOMERANG. --ColinFine (talk) 19:06, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm going to point out here that users, with the exception of a few things, are allowed to remove content from their talk pages; it is considered an acknowledgement that they have read the warning. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 19:17, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the replies. I did intially consider WP:ANI but thought it to be an overreaction, at least at this point - They seem to have good intentions, it's just that they're seemingly very new and misguided.
 * Regarding removing content/warnings: It appears that I was mistaken, but also - What about discussions that are in progress between other parties? I replied to another user who was commenting on this person's disruptive editing, and before they could reply the person just removed the entire section from the talk page.
 * Also, what about when the user first replies to the warnings, saying that they don't matter because they're coming from IP users, before they remove them? They've certainly seen the warnings, but they are literally saying that they are refusing to acknowledge them.
 * In any case I'm currently trying to reason with them, but they're still justifying their "anti-vandal" activities with statements like "95% of my edits are responsible which is good for a beginner almost seven editors thanked me until now". Is there some guideline that I can direct them to? Someone else already requested that they see WP:VAND and WP:NOTVAND but it's seemingly had no effect. 109.236.4.20 (talk) 20:10, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

User:Oxforder has been blocked for 31 hours, but given how argumentative and disruptive this editor has been (as evidenced on talk page and what has been deleted from Talk page, including Warnings from long-time editors), I imagine once the block is over, will continue behavior. David notMD (talk) 21:30, 19 January 2021 (UTC)


 * I had hoped that their being blocked would have convinced them to calm down and just read the guidelines, but they've now taken to accusing me of personal attacks and are just repeating the same refuted point over and over again like a broken record. And it's a very easily refuted point at that (claiming that I did not have an edit summary or source, sometimes while linking to the diff which shows that I did!). I think I will bring this up to WP:ANI after all if they keep at it.
 * I'd like to ask though, would I have to remain engaged in the process once it's brought up to WP:ANI? I am very tired of dealing this person and really just want to be done with it at this point. I'm really far too tired to go through if it means I have to participate in some drawn-out process.
 * The main thing I'm worried about, which is why I haven't just ignored them already, is how they threatened to revert my edits in the future: I don't want to have to worry about my efforts being ruined at some unforeseeable future time when I'm not looking. 109.236.4.20 (talk) 05:19, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

continues to defend behavior on own Talk page (allowed during the temporary block). You will just have to wait until the block expires to see if behavior tempered. One option an Administrator has is to block either one of you or both of you from editing a specific article. David notMD (talk) 13:00, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

Becoming part of this site
How do i get to be part of this site? 204.12.85.214 (talk) 12:45, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi IP 204.12.85.214. Can you clarify what you mean by be a part of this site? Do you want information on how to edit Wikipedia? If so, try taking a look at Wikipedia:Contributing to Wikipedia. If, on the other hand, you want information on how Wikipedia articles and what types of subject are generally OK to write about, then try looking at Wikipedia:The answer to life, the universe, and everything. -- Marchjuly (talk) 13:35, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

Cropping images
Hello could somebody please give me a step by step process of how to crop an image? Thanks. Paul Vaurie (talk) 01:56, 20 January 2021 (UTC)


 * @Paul Vaurie, check out Commons:CropTool if you're interested in cropping an image on Wikimedia commons. ✨ <span style="font-family:'Roboto',sans-serif;font-weight:300;text-shadow: 2px 2px 10px black;color:black;">Ed   talk!  ✨ 02:03, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi . There are also editors who like to do this very type of thing and they can be found at here on Wikipedia and here on Commons; so, if you don't know how to do it yourself, you can always ask for help. -- Marchjuly (talk) 13:30, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you! Paul Vaurie (talk) 13:41, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi . Note that Template:Annotated image gives instructions for using a cropped part of an existing image from Commons within an article. That allows for display of part of an image without irreversibly changing the version stored, just in case it is needed elsewhere at its full size. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:55, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

How to manage edits to a controversial article? Peer-reviewed cites being deleted as 'bullshit'.
Having personally experienced the oral health benefits of the ancient practice of Oil pulling, I wondered what Wikipedia had to say on the subject. I was disappointed to see the article appeared to have a strongly negative bias towards the matter.

Curious, I took to the internet to see if there was any peer-reviewed studies that verified the benefits I had experienced. I immediately found two: One, from The NCBI, and the other, The Indian Journal of Dental Research. I posted a small edit to the article, indicating that there were studies which show benefits to oral health, and cited my sources. It seemed a simple, yet useful contribution to the subject.

Knowing the subject is controversial, and sensing the tone of the existing content, I popped back a few hours later to see if any further discussion was taking place. Instead, what I found was that my edits had been reverted, and the reason given was "Unreliable quackery journal; far from WP:MEDRS". No attempt was made by the editor who revered the changes to discuss them with me.

I took a day or so to think about this, and did a bit of reading on how Wikipedia recommends handing such things. I feel that the article deserves to have sources cited which show demonstrated benefits. My edit simply clarified a single sentence, and provided two valid sources. I restored the edit I had made, and noted that both sources cited can hardly be considered 'unreliable quackery'.

What happened next was twofold: Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to add unsourced or poorly sourced content, as you did at Oil pulling, you may be blocked from editing. Don't add content nonsense and unreliable Ayurveda quackery sources to the encyclopedia. Zefr (talk) 23:53, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
 * 1) A different editor again reverted my edit, but this time the reason given was 'Remove bullshit'
 * 2) The following post appeared on my personal talk page:

This troubled me greatly.

I'm by no means some hero-level editor. I pop in from time to time and contribute where I can. I am grateful that Wikipedia has a strong contingent of editors looking out for nonsense, but when that becomes overzealous, and a subject becomes policed by a biased mindset, we all lose.

So, I'm somewhat at a loss here, and would appreciate some advice:


 * Part of me figures just drop it. It's oil pulling. The world will not end.
 * Part of me, however, feels that what has happened here is something people need to stand up to, lest it drive away the very folks (namely, all of us) who make Wikipedia what it is. The additions I made to the article are not "quackery", nor are they "bullshit". If those are acceptable standards for deletion of edits, then folks, Wikipedia is kinda sunk.

Well, thanks for reading my long tale. I would appreciate any and all perspectives. Jimvanm (talk) 02:46, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
 * There could be some of Wikipedia's systemic bias coming into play here. However, your sources aren't that high quality either. The NCBI one isn't a study, but a poorly-written review of other studies. The second has a sample size of just 20. I suggest giving WP:MEDRS a read; we want to publish scientific consensus per our no original research policy. Instead of looking for individual papers, I suggest you look for reliable secondary sources covering oil pulling and its supposed benefits. ◢ <i style="background-color:#F7E3F7; color:#960596"> Ganbaruby! </i>  (Say hi!) 03:55, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
 * It appears you are attempting to edit in good faith, and I'm sorry you didn't receive a more civil response. You explained that you updated the article, and someone reverted it.  Instead of making the same edit to the article, it is generally more constructive to follow the BOLD, revert, discuss cycle and discuss your suggestions at the article talk page: Talk:Oil pulling.  Happy editing!  GoingBatty (talk) 04:49, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Of the two references you added, the second (as noted above) was a clinical trial. This does not meet the criteria required by WP:MEDRS. And in my opinion, the first - a review - in theory meets WP:MEDRS, is too weak to justify adding the text you added that was reverted. Take to Talk of the article and start a discussion. Looking at other oil pulling reviews with PMID numbers 29085271, 27261981 and 30395784 there may be a case to be made for a carefully worded claim for possible oral hygiene benefits. David notMD (talk) 13:18, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I will add that the existing refs in support of oil pulling not being a valid treatment DO NOT meet MEDRS, as two are to newspaper or magazine articles. David notMD (talk) 13:41, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks everyone for your perspectives. That gives me some very useful insight.Jimvanm (talk) 14:30, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

An editor has removed several Basque names
The editor 2601:742:8001:2D80:E8A2:6A27:971D:6861 (contributions) has removed many Basque names in articles about locations in Spain I believe that's what nearly all of their contributions have been so far.

I have no experience with location names in Spain, but it looked odd to me. Since I wasn't sure if there's perhaps a policy against having Basque names for some locations and since at least many (perhaps all) of the Basque names were unsourced, I didn't revert their edits.

Any suggestions on how to proceed?

Thanks! <b style="color:#800000">palindrome</b>§<b style="color:#017745">ǝɯoɹpuᴉןɐd</b> 06:15, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Good catch. I have checked their contributions, and you are right that IP removed several Basque names. I was thinking vandalism first, but it turns out that they seem to mostly be reverting unsourced additions by another IP. Indeed, the current IP editor seems to try making constructive edits for example here, where they kept a Basque name and just put it inside a proper lang template.
 * I too do not have knowledge about Basque names, and maybe someone familiar with the subject might want to take a further look. But it doesn't look like vandalism to me. --LordPeterII (talk) 14:50, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
 * , thanks for taking a look at it! Looking at the links you gave, it does seem like they were probably just reverting other unsourced changes. <b style="color:#800000">palindrome</b>§<b style="color:#017745">ǝɯoɹpuᴉןɐd</b> 15:51, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

Unreliable Sources
I usually use sources that show up on Google News, Google Books, Newspapers, and other reliable mediums. I was curious when and how to use less reliable sources like blogs, social media posts, forums, pdf files, dictionaries, tutorial websites, and business websites. Directing me to Wikipedia guideline pages would be great or simple explanations. TipsyElephant (talk) 16:36, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi u|TipsyElephant! I'm not entirely sure I understand your question to the best of my ability. WP:Reliable Sources provides information on when certain sources can be used. You say "when and how", but you also say "I usually use sources" so I'm not sure if you know how to cite sources or not? WP:Proveit is a very useful gadget that you can enable in your WP:Preferences to help you cite things. Hope that helps!  SnazzyInfinity (chat? • what I've done) 16:44, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
 * (ec) Welcome to the Teahouse. The general policy is given at reliable sources. Most WP:PRIMARY sources should only be used to confirm simple facts (e.g. that something happened on a given day) while WP:SECONDARY sources are much preferred. Those are the ones that review what other sources say and perhaps comment on them with some editorial independence. Note that the format (e.g. pdf) of the source is not important except that it may be easier for readers to verify. Look at some existing featured articles in areas that interest you for examples you could follow. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:47, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

Renaming Page
Rename page. I want to rename 'Augusta Public Transit' to 'Augusta Transit'. I don't see the move tab on my page. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Augusta_Public_Transit Augusta Transit (talk) 16:52, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
 * , you have added unsuitable formatting, which I have reverted. Your username is also a violation of the username policy, as it implies shared use. — Yours, Berrely  • Talk∕Contribs 16:55, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
 * However, I have moved the article. — Yours, Berrely  • Talk∕Contribs 16:57, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

Userboxes?
Hi! I was looking at some user pages and came across these little rectangular boxes. Could someone explain what these are and how to use them? Thanks! Fawnstream (talk) 17:26, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi there, The Userbox is a small customisable box that you can transclude to your userpage. For more info on them, see WP:Userboxes. There are thousands of userboxes, and the best way to find one that you like is through this navbox, where you can use the search function or go via category. Hope this helps! — Yours, Berrely  • Talk∕Contribs 17:30, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

Thanks, ! Fawnstream (talk) 17:49, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

When's the best time to add a category?
Hi guys, I'm just about to upload my first article (woo!) but just wondered what the best time to add a category would be? Before I submit it or afterwards? Thanks in advance! Hippie Klingon (talk) 17:44, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello, Hippie Klingon. Per guidelines only articles in mainspace should be categorised. So either wait until it has been accepted and moved into mainspace or place the categories in the draft article but make sure to disable them. You can do this by adding a colon after the first brackets. Category:Example . Zindor (talk) 17:57, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
 * (edit conflict) Categories for articles are not allowed in drafts because the draft would show up on the category page. You can wrap the suggested categories in Template:Draft categories to avoid this. Then it's fine to add categories at any time. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:59, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

Adding DS/aware to my talk page for COVID
I give up. I've tried a few different guesses at topic codes, but I can't find it or figure it out.

What do I need to do to add COVID-19 to my talk page here? User talk:Jdphenix Jdphenix (talk) 17:15, 20 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Hi it looks like the template you're using doesn't have COVID-19 as an alert code (all the codes are listed here). I have asked at the talkpage Template talk:Ds if someone can add an alert code for COVID-19 (which could then be used to say you're aware of it). <b style="color:#0033ab">Joseph</b><b style="color:#000000">2302</b> (talk) 17:31, 20 January 2021 (UTC)


 * I see you already got a response . I just alerted myself using the Template:Gs/alert alert template. The rules around contentious articles seem more complex than they need to be. Oh well. Thanks for the help.. Jdphenix (talk) 18:03, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

British or American spell check in the Visual Editor
Greetings, friendly wiki-editors! I'm noticing that the visual editor keeps trying to correct the American spelling of words to British spelling. However, Manual_of_Style seems to say that a given article could be in either, but each article should be consistent. What's going on? Is the Visual Editor auto-detecting what spelling each article should be and giving these suggestions for consistency, or is there a setting somewhere I should be adjusting so it gives appropriate suggestions? I couldn't find anything in the manual. I'm not sure if I should be posting here or to the visual editor maintainers, but trying here first in case I am inadvertently asking a stupid question. Benevolent human (talk) 18:14, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
 * , are you 100% sure it's not your browser's dictionary? — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 18:16, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi, if I recall correctly, the visual editor does not have an inbuilt spell checker, and instead uses your browser's. This would mean you need to change the language in browser settings. — Yours, Berrely  • Talk∕Contribs 18:21, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much! This resolved the issue. Benevolent human (talk) 18:29, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

Picture Update
I would like to replace the picture with another one showing our newest buses. How can I do that? 184.95.149.120 (talk) 18:59, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
 * If, when logged in, you are User:Augusta Transit, then you must change your name, as it is the same as an article Augusta Transit. Second, given "our," I am guessing you are an employee of August Transit. Thus, per the rules at WP:PAID you are not allowed to edit the article directly. Instead, you must request changes on the Talk page of the article. Lastly, to your question, after you change your name and declare PAID on your User page, you may yourself take a photo of a bus, upload it to Wikipedia Commons, and then request that it be added to the article. David notMD (talk) 19:44, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

Hey?
Question: I am Interested in the Contribution to the Page "WPIX". Well i only Changed to the Network's Current Callsign, so why did you send me that message? Cebolitt (talk) 19:00, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

Come on, how do Wikipedia Knows my name is "David Ass."? Cebolitt (talk) 19:03, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi, . You'll probably get a more specific answer if you ask directly, or raise the content issue on the talk page of the article, supported with reliables sources. It does look like your changes were good-faith so it's unclear why they were reverted as vandalism.


 * To stop your name from appearing, go to the preferences tab in the top right and delete your name from the signature field. Zindor (talk) 19:44, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

Old news
Fix your page...outdated We have a new president and vice president...let's go!

2601:4A:C600:A210:190B:773A:3807:A39E (talk) 21:04, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
 * If you have a suggestion for improving an article, start a discussion on that article's talk page. Wikipedia is not a news service and does not need to be updated immediately.  RudolfRed (talk) 21:27, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

AfC
I was hoping to publish the drafts for some podcast awards so I created Draft:2019 iHeartRadio Podcast Awards, Draft:2020 iHeartRadio Podcast Awards, and Draft:2021 iHeartRadio Podcast Awards. I based these pages on 2019 iHeartRadio Music Awards and 2020 iHeartRadio Music Awards. All three of my drafts were rejected for having WP:ROUTINE coverage, but both the 2019 and 2020 podcast pages have more sources than the corresponding year for the music awards. Would it be possible to reverse the decision to decline my drafts or is there a way that I could improve the article so that they meet notability guidelines? If not then why are the music awards notable and if they aren't should I tag those for deletion as well? I asked this question at the [|help desk] a few days ago, but figured I might get a quicker response if I post it here as well. I'm also fairly new when it comes to publishing new articles so the Teahouse seemed appropriate.

I looked into it a little more and the Forbes articles seem to be rather lengthy and non-routine. For instance, the 2019 Forbes article contains 1,300 words and even after removing the list of winners from the article it still has over 600 words of content. Similarly, the 2020 Forbes article is 900 words without the list. And obviously any and all of the sources I cited contain more content and are more reliable than the 2019 Music Award's reference to twitter and the 2020 Music Award's reference to Instagram. In addition, the Music Awards appear to lean just as heavily on iHeartRadio and Billboard articles. TipsyElephant (talk) 14:28, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

I would even argue that the awards are notable even without significant coverage. I'm not sure what the guidelines are on that, but I know some articles don't have to meet general notability guidelines such as species of animals and important lists. Would it be worth looking into these guidelines further before resubmitting these drafts? TipsyElephant (talk) 14:32, 20 January 2021 (UTC)


 * whether a podcast award is notable depends on whether there is a Wikipedia article about it, nothing else. You might be able to create an article about an award, by finding and citing several reliable independent published sources that discuss it at length. This is true of almost all topics. Animal and plant species, and inhabited places, are exceptions in that the standards for creating an article are lower. Maproom (talk) 17:13, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Umm,, I'm not sure quite what you meant to say, but it certainly wasn't that!. --ColinFine (talk) 17:51, 20 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Can either of you explain why the music awards are notable while the podcast awards are not? I'm pretty sure my articles have just as much or more coverage.  TipsyElephant (talk) 18:25, 20 January 2021 (UTC)


 * No, I can't, and I have tagged 2019 iHeartRadio Music Awards accordingly. It has no independent sources at all, and unless some are found, it should be deleted as non-notable. I have not interest in investigating it, so I have not looked for sources, and I have no nominated it for deletion. Your argument that "the awards are notable even without significant coverage" is wrong, by definition. See GNG. --ColinFine (talk) 21:44, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

How to add a picture
King323232 (talk) 20:48, 20 January 2021 (UTC) Hi How do you add a picture on a page I know I'm stupid but I want to help. — Preceding unsigned comment added by King323232 (talk • contribs) 20:49, 20 January 2021 (UTC)


 * No, : you are not stupid: adding images is unfortunately one of the harder things to do, mostly because of copyright. There are basically three steps: 1) determine if the copyright status of the image is suitable - most images you find on the internet are not, and you should give up there. 2) Upload the image to Wikimedia Commons, using the Upload wizard. 3) Add it to the article - its page on Commons will give you the code you need. See WP:Uploading images for the whole process. --ColinFine (talk) 22:23, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

I am new and would like a guide.
Is their anyone willing to teach me the basics of editing? Starman237 (talk) 22:04, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
 * , there's a lot to cover even in the basics, but if you complete The Wikipedia Adventure and still have some burning questions afterwards, we'll answer them for you. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 22:36, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia that anyone can edit.
Is marketing Wikipedia as a "free encyclopedia that anyone can edit" false advertising?

What are considered reliable sources and is there any reflection done at Wikipedia to see if there is bias or implicit bias that is being codified by the perception of those selected to review and accept articles or edits?

NmuoMmiri (talk) 19:21, 17 January 2021 (UTC) NmuoMmiri NmuoMmiri (talk) 19:21, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Everyone can edit Wikipedia, but there are guidelines that editors must follow - see Contributing to Wikipedia. One of those is the use reliable sources - see Reliable sources.  Anyone can share their opinion about bias in a particular article by posting on the article's talk page - see Help:Talk pages.  GoingBatty (talk) 19:26, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

@GoingBatty Thank you for the response. I am new to Wikipedia so I beg your patience with any doubts that I have about the editorial process. I have read the article on Reliable sources. The confusion that I have is when bias is mentioned in the article, it does not clarify bias in the articles that Wikipedia considers to be reliable sources. The question I have is whether Wikipedia considers all articles that it classifies as reliable sources to be free from bias, overt and implicit? If so, then the reason for my first question was to verify if anyone can edit Wikipedia? Is the purpose of Wikipedia to market the media sources that it considers to be reliable or can anyone edit Wikipedia articles for objective review? — Preceding unsigned comment added by NmuoMmiri (talk • contribs) 19:41, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Editors recognize that some sources can be biased. The suitability of sources is discussed at Reliable sources/Noticeboard, with a list published at Reliable sources/Perennial sources.  GoingBatty (talk) 20:32, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
 * You may be referring to the references in your Draft:Providence Office Products. While the references you provided may contain correct information, they do not demonstrate how this company meets Wikipedia's standard for inclusion, called "notability". I suggest you also review Notability (organizations and companies). GoingBatty (talk) 20:38, 17 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Thank you for your reply. I have been reviewing the list of reliable and perennial sources.  I am not arguing that perhaps the consensus is that The New York Times, Time Magazine, and Newsweek are considered reliable sources while The New York Post and Daily Mail are considered unreliable.  It could be a matter of opinion or a matter of legacy.  And while Google Maps is considered reliable while Bing Maps is considered unreliable, could leave some to wonder, there may have been a consensus in this decision as well.  I am not arguing with consensus, but consensus by whom?  Is this consensus by viewers of Wikipedia or by a selection of editors?  Among the editors, is there any protocols in place to prevent implicit bias?  I ask because Wikipedia has quite a reach and although I am new to editing a Wikipedia article, I am familiar with the influence that it has on the Internet.   I have reviewed the topic of notability.   After reading, the first impression is to equate "notability" with "fame" or "infamy".  And while infamy can lead to calamity, or calamity can lead to infamy, I ask whether Wikipedia allows references from sources that are not available on the Internet?

These are topics that may just be developing because of the recent discussion around media, the Internet, and censorship. Through the development of social media, it is an opinion that traditional media organizations holds and rejects certain views. Social media is considered platforms where people are able to express themselves freely. However, because of the dangers surrounding free speech, there has recently been an effort to provide some censorship in social media platforms. Many traditional media platforms have already had some type of censorship through the editorial process. The editorial process of Wikipedia is what I now have the opportunity to explore. I would like to learn if the editorial process for Wikipedia is more like a social media company or like a traditional media company. I assume it would be difficult to get a clear answer on that subject, but that was the theme of my original inquiry.

If there is any information or threads about how Wikipedia plans to address any concerns regarding both traditional and social media, they would be greatly appreciated. I understand the difficulty in assessment as these are growing technologies. I remember reading the New York Times as a youth, and the experience of reading it online is quite different than that I remember of perusing the actual pages. The front page of the online version has many opinion articles today. That is also true of the online versions of Time and Newsweek. That is quite a remarkable difference from decades ago. Are the qualifications for reliable sources given to a whole organization or just the part of the newspaper that are actual articles?

Thank you for providing guidance on editing the draft of Providence Office Products. Providence Office Products provided a great role for the community in offering products during the pandemic. It is an e-commerce business, that is not just a local store, but able to deliver products anywhere. Thank you again for your time in assisting me navigate this learning experience. NmuoMmiri


 * What is your connection to Providence Office Products? David notMD (talk) 23:57, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

I am a customer of Providence Office Products, I have purchased products from Providence Office Products. During the pandemic, many small businesses in Texas went out of business. I am on the other side of Texas than Providence Office Products, hours away, but I was able to order products from them online and they delivered. This was notable, because early on in the pandemic, many products were difficult to find. Providence Office Products had local media coverage in their area for all the services that they were providing. Face masks, hygiene products, digital marketing materials, logo design, custom embroidery, t-shirts with logos, even coffee mugs. Anything you would need to keep a small business going, they could deliver, anywhere. Not just in Texas, anywhere. — Preceding unsigned comment added by NmuoMmiri (talk • contribs) 13:45, 18 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Why are you concerned with my connection to Providence Office Products and not addressing any of my concerns about the editorial process at Wikipedia? I have read talk pages where people have had their pages about their best friends approved.  What are the protocols if any to prevent overt or implicit bias among the editors at Wikipedia?

comment added by NmuoMmiri (talk • contribs)
 * , your last substantive comment is very long and I'm not going to engage with all your points, but just to pick up on a few:
 * Consensus is achieved through discussion by editors who have any interest. We can't compel people to participate in discussions, though important ones are widely publicised.
 * I'm not sure where you've read that Google Maps is considered reliable but Bing Maps unreliable, but I can't imagine many instances in which a map would be a useful source for article content.
 * You ask if the editorial process for Wikipedia is more like a social media company or like a traditional media company. I'd say neither. It's an encyclopedia, which is different to a social media site or something like a newspaper. Nether social media or traditional media content is determined by consensus.
 * In answer to "Are the qualifications for reliable sources given to a whole organization or just the part of the newspaper that are actual articles", yes, we often differentiate between news and opinion pieces from the same publication (either in terms of their reliability or whether they need to be treated as opinions rather than fact). See the various entries for Fox News at Reliable sources/Perennial sources for an example.
 * I hope that answers some of your queries. Cordless Larry (talk) 18:49, 18 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Thank you for the response and clarification. Yes, these explanations are very helpful.  I have a better idea now of consensus.  I am making the assumption that for reviews, there is not a consensus but a decision being made by individual editors.  As I am not familiar with the editorial process, I still am unaware of any protocol to prevent bias by an individual editor or the consensus of a group of editors.

As for the examples of reliable sources, I was just referring to the list of reliable and perennial sources. I understand that this topic is beyond Wikipedia, so I am not expecting a response on the reliability of sources. I am just raising the point that that traditional and emerging media sources are also subject to opinions and bias. If Wikipedia is more like an encyclopedia than social media then it is subject to review of the bias or opinions of some of the sources in the perennial sources list.

Thank you for providing the classification of Wikipedia as more of an encyclopedia than a social media platform. I am currently looking at the page of Emuzed. I am providing this as an example of a company page that appears in Wikipedia for the sole purpose of comparison and not from any knowledge of the company what so ever. I am using this example just to find out more about how the review decision is made for these entries.

Thank you for taking the time to address my concerns. You have answered many of my questions. In fact, you have answered all but one of my questions. The only question that I have remaining are what, if any, are the protocols in place to reduce implicit bias at Wikipedia? comment added by NmuoMmiri (talk • contribs)
 * I'm not sure that anything can be completely free of bias,, but please see Neutral point of view. There's also WikiProject Countering systemic bias. I also meant to link to Consensus above, for an explanation of how consensus is reached. Cordless Larry (talk) 21:45, 18 January 2021 (UTC)


 * That is helpful information. Neutral point of view briefly discusses editorial bias but it could go into more detail about editorial bias if it provided an example of how editorial bias can occur.  WikiProject Countering systemic bias is quite a fascinating article.  Thank you for providing it.  A good research project may be to see how often selection bias occurs if that information was available.

comment added by NmuoMmiri (talk • contribs)

I asked about your connection to Providence Office Products because WP:PAID or WP:COI may apply if you are being paid to create an article or have a personal connection to the topic at hand. Wikipedia asks that if either apply, that information be on your User page. Ditto for the other article for which you have created drafts. David notMD (talk) 03:05, 19 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Thank you for the advice. I am new to Wiki editing so I am not familiar with all the regulations.  I wish I was being paid to edit wiki pages, but I am honestly not.  I have created drafts on articles that I believe should be added.  I am not an expert of office supply stores but I wanted to highlight a company that perservered and assisted people through the pandemic.  A lot of companies were price gouging and crushing small businesses throughout the pandemic.  Many small businesses went out of business.  In Texas, a large percentage of the workforce rely on small businesses.  If a small business is providing assistance in difficult times, is it notable?

I will be more careful about the topics that I propose at Wikipedia. But there are many topics that are just missing entirely. I read another comment that you made earlier about not letting existing pages be the standard for new pages. I think that helped in finding out why there appears to be double standards set accross many genres or topics that appear. I would still like to know more about the possibility of protocols at Wikipedia to impede double standards, systemic editorial bias, systemwide selection bias, or implicit bias at Wikipedia. : provided some assistance but I do not think that the resources provided addressed all the concerns. Thank you for the guidance on paid editors and conflicts of interest. That was helpful. comment added by NmuoMmiri (talk • contribs)


 * My connection to Providence Office Products is that I am a Customer of Interest. I am a happy customer of Providence Office Products because it was very difficult to purchase office supplies during the pandemic.  In the United States, the major office supply chains are in takeover talks and the few office supply stores that remain are notable.  I am a customer of Providence Office Products just like I am a customer of Wikipedia.  I do not remember companies in my Encyclopedia Britannica.  Now it appears there are more companies in Wikipedia than anything else.  There should be protocols to prevent the commercialization of Wikipedia, protocols that prevent selection bias or implicit bias at Wikipedia. NmuoMmiri (talk • contribs)

Another question may be to find out the requirements for a company page to appear on Wikipedia. Is there a standard anywhere for company pages to appear on Wikipedia? Significant media coverage on companies can be misleading. Some locations may not have the same amount of media organizations as others. What if there is a large farm in a rural area that employs many people in that community. The rural area may not have the media organizations, but that does not make the large farm insignificant. NmuoMmiri (talk • contribs) — Preceding undated comment added 04:16, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
 * The requirement, like said, is notability, specifically WP:NCORP. It's by no means a perfect system, but it's a system that works for our purposes. Every piece of information must be verifiable, so we rely on reliable sources to back up every bit of information. Therefore, we're offloading the editorial judgment to the writers of reliable sources because they have established authority and track record of factual reporting. This is perhaps why we have little coverage on farms but more coverage on companies. You might also want to read Other stuff exists.  ◢ <i style="background-color:#F7E3F7; color:#960596"> Ganbaruby! </i>  (Say hi!) 04:35, 20 January 2021 (UTC)


 * This discussion has moved beyond the scope of the Teahouse and probably should be closed. It's an interesting discussion in many ways, but it seems better off being continued at Wikipedia talk:Notability (organizations and companies) since that seems to be primarily what it's about. Asking general questions about Wikipedia:Notability at the Teahouse is fine; however, once things move into a more detailed theoretical discussion of a particular WP:SNG, then the discussion should be moved to the SNG's talk page because that's where any proposed changes to the guideline are going to need to be sorted out and a consensus for them established. -- Marchjuly (talk) 04:40, 20 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Thank you for the response on the topic of notability. I understand that it is a system that works for our purposes.  When you say our purposes do you mean "our" as the editors or "our" as the readers?  :  I am willing to close the discussion or move it to the appropriate page.  However, my original inquiry has not been answered.  The original inquiry was to discover if there are protocols in place to prevent system=wide selection bias, implicit editorial bias, or overt editorial bias at Wikipedia.  The discussion of the notability of companies for the purpose of identifying how companies like Providence Office Products or companies that are in rural areas can receive equal treatment as companies that are in urban cities with great media coverage, I can move to the appropriate page.  I noticed there are list pages for companies that are in major cities.  If there is a page to ask questions about the editorial process at Wikipedia, please provide directions.  My original request was to understand the protocols to prevent systemic implicit selection bias at Wikipedia, if they exist.  This discussion can be kindly closed if there is a place to identify the topic of implicit selection bias or overt selection bias and for new personnel to ask questions to seasoned editors about the editorial process.  NmuoMmiri (talk • contribs)
 * There are a couple of places where you might possibly discuss this type of thing. One is at Wikipedia talk:Notability (organizations and companies) because that is the talk page for discussing things related to Wikipedia's notability guideline for organizations and companies. Another possible place might be at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Countering systemic bias because that is the talk page for the Wikipedia:WikiProject Countering systemic bias, a WikiProject whose members discuss ways to try and address issues of bias on Wikipedia. Finally, another possible place you might try is at Wikipedia:Village pump (idea lab), but it might be better to try one of the other two first and see how things work out. -- Marchjuly (talk) 13:56, 20 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Thank you for the suggestions. I have raised the topic in all the areas that you mentioned.  I was hoping there would be assistance here to provide to new personnel about how systemic implicit selection bias is addressed.  There was no intention of getting off of the topic.  For someone who is very new to editing pages and wants to add a page for a notable company such as Providence Office Products, it is good to know that there are many seasoned editors willing to provide assistance.  As for the topic of protocols to prevent implicit bias, it seems that it is still a point of discussion.
 * NmuoMmiri (talk • contribs)
 * . You probably shouldn't try to start discussions about this on all three pages since that is almost certainly going to be seen as WP:FORUMSHOPPING. Moroever, trying to discuss the same thing simultaneously on multiple pages isn't very practical since it almost always leads to a fragmented discussion and almost never helps achieve what the discussion is trying to achieve. If it's not too late, I suggest you pick one of the three (I suggest WT:NCORP) and keep everything in one place. If you want to let others know about the discussion, you can do so by providing them with a link to it as long as you do so in accordance with WP:CANVAS. -- Marchjuly (talk) 22:58, 20 January 2021 (UTC)


 * It is not the same topic in three different places. It is three different topics in three places.  One topic is the notability of notable companies like Providence Office Products.  If people want to follow that discussion about how to address media coverage guidelines, they can visit Wikipedia talk:Notability (organizations and companies).  Have not received a response yet, but would like to know more about companies in smaller cities or rural areas.  As far as protocols for systemic implicit bias, I have asked about it at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Countering systemic bias and suggested protocols Wikipedia:Village pump (idea lab).  Have not received a response from any of those three locations.  There may not be any venue for discussing notable companies like Providence Office Products or systemic implicit bias.  If so, I would like directions.


 * NmuoMmiri (talk • contribs)


 * The discussion could continue on (talk).
 * NmuoMmiri (talk)

Where to ask a question
If I post something on an article's Talk page, is there any guarantee anyone will see it? How does one flag up that a question has been asked? Thanks Maryanne Cunningham (talk) 22:18, 20 January 2021 (UTC) Maryanne Cunningham (talk) 22:18, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
 * —after initiating a discussion on an article Talk page you could then make the corresponding edit to the Article page, and in your edit summary you could mention and link to your recently initiated discussion on the Talk page. With any luck that will prompt a response. Bus stop (talk) 22:30, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks Maryanne Cunningham (talk) 22:48, 20 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Hello,, and welcome back here. No, there is no guarantee that anybody will see it. Things you can do are:
 * Look at the history of the talk page and the article, to see how much they have been edited recently. If there is some activity on the talk page or on the article recently, it is more likely that some of the editors involved will look at it.
 * Find the usernames of some editors who have worked on the article recently, from the history, and Ping them. I use the template U, (though there are others) so I pinged you at the beginning of my answer by saying . (Note that I have entered that in a way that the displayed form shows you what you would type in the editor - don't use the 'tl' or 'tlx' that I have used.)
 * Find a relevant active WikiProject, and put a post on its talk page, linking to your post on the article talk page. --ColinFine (talk) 22:33, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks .Could you tell me why I'm not to use ? And what does mean? Grateful for clarification. Maryanne Cunningham (talk) 22:48, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi again, . You don't use tl or tlx because they are for quoting (and linking to) templates, not using them. You'll notice that what you wrote in your reply displays as a call to the template U, not a use of the template U. Does that make sense? As for ec: when I saved my reply, the software told me that I had an edit conflict: somebody else had already edited close to where I was editing: in fact Bus Stop's answer. At that point I had the choice of abandoning my edit, or putting it in regardless (or further editing). When I decide to go ahead with an answer in that case, I add to give notice that I was already composing my answer before the other appeared, in case there is duplication between them. --ColinFine (talk) 23:00, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
 * : Thank you . I'll disappear into some sandbox or other and see if I can work out the tlx bit (the bit I do get). You're a star. Maryanne Cunningham (talk) 23:07, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

Question About Editing
I know the primary activity here is adding new information from different sources, but for some reason that feels really daunting to me. I've tried correcting spelling and grammar, but most of those edits get reverted, and to be honest, I'm feeling a bit lost here. Is there anything else I can do to be helpful here, things that won't get reverted? I do want to be a good editor here, but am unsure of where to start. Endymiona19 (talk) 22:07, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
 * , welcome to the Teahouse. You may want to start out via The Wikipedia Adventure, which guides new users in being accustomed to Wikipedia. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 22:19, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
 * , I know exactly what you mean! I've edited an article, but feel I know less about editing than I did when I started. The guides are, by and large, useless, and most of the questions I put to the Teahouse result in load of incomprehensible answers that seem designed to make me feel stupid. Maryanne Cunningham (talk) 18:22, 18 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Hi Endymiona19. There are plenty of discrete tasks you can help out with that are listed at Community portal that are not "fraught". Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 23:04, 15 January 2021 (UTC)


 * I know what you mean. I have yet to collaborate or add anything besides a citations template without it being reverted. I am a person who appreciates support to begin making positive changes, but I have yet to find it on Wikipedia. DHHornfeldt (talk) 23:16, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Like this 'teahouse.' If you were looking for conversation over tea it is surprising when you find you're actually standing at an info booth and being redirected. DHHornfeldt (talk) 23:45, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry that the Teahouse disapointed in that sense. The fact is that the talk-page format isn't really suited to a social setting. If I may redirect you again, some Wikipedians do use live chat to speak to each other which does have more of a chatty vibe to it - see WP:IRC or WP:DISCORD depending on your preference, I suspect that might be more your... ...cup of tea. --Paul  &#10092;talk&#10093; 11:15, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
 * , Welcome to the teahouse. You do make an interesting point but I think it's a little misplaced. Let me see if I can persuade you. Imagine walking into a physical tea shop, and asking for directions to the loo. if you received the response, "welcome to our tea house, why don't you please have a seat, I'll bring you a cup of tea and we can talk" when you really want to be told how to find the loo, I think you'd agree that they weren't being helpful by offering to engage in a conversation when they simply wanted information. This is a place for chatting but it's also an information resource. If someone comes in and asks a question that has been asked 100 times before, it is far more efficient to point them to the place where all the questions are answered rather than taking the time to rewrite and possibly misexplain the concepts. Your initial post express the frustrations of many brand-new editors and you specifically asked where to start. years of experience with brand-new editors led us to the conclusion that we needed something for brand-new editors and that's why the Wikipedia adventure was created. It's an attempt to do something other than create a boring list of rules; it hopefully is a mildly entertaining introduction to Wikipedia editing. In other words, it was the perfect response to your question. If you try that site and still have some questions, you'll be in a better position to ask a specific question and people here will be happy to try to specifically answer, although I'll warn you in advance the odds are high that they will point you to a page that has all the answers. If you'd like to try chatting, try chatting and someone may join in. S Philbrick  (Talk)  16:35, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
 * , Maybe you didn't notice I'm not the op. I get that you're trying to help but I'm not looking for anything. As you said "This is a place for chatting..." so I thought I'd try chatting. Now I know how chatting goes. Seems like you are excited for WP:ADVENTURE and I hope that lightens your workload. Many happy returns and all that. DHHornfeldt (talk) 21:14, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi, DHHornfeldt, you make a good point about social spaces and the role of the Teahouse. I've heard that some of the other-language Wikipedias like German or Italian have more general off-topic chat at their equivalents of our en:Wikipedia:Village Pump (café, beer-hall etc.). I think it's a problem of scaling up to larger numbers of people. That and and the drive-by nature of many of the Teahouse questions. Pelagic ( messages ) – (20:41 Sun 17, AEDT) 09:41, 17 January 2021 (UTC)

Hi, I'm the one who originally posted this section. I just wanted to thank everyone for their help and welcomes. I am making my way around here and am currently working with another editor on an article, so I think I'll eventually find my place here. Endymiona19 (talk) 04:46, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
 * My suggestion is to start with small edits, just for you to get the hang of things particularly in terms of formatting and style. For this, you can check Wiki projects listing articles that need copyediting or cleanup. Also, based on my experience, edits that are properly sourced are less prone to reverts. Thank you for your desire to contribute. Good luck! Darwin Naz (talk) 00:04, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

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50.21.159.181 (talk) 00:16, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Did you have a question about using or editing Wikipedia? — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 00:40, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

How to make a new page?
How to make a new page in Wikipedia, and how to upload an image in it? Risery Voiple Yelty (talk) 00:22, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
 * If this is about Draft:Universe, we already have an article about that. Making a new article is extremely hard to do on Wikipedia, and by your current contributions I don't think you're quite ready yet. I'd suggest you complete The Wikipedia Adventure for an introduction on how to edit. ◢ <i style="background-color:#F7E3F7; color:#960596"> Ganbaruby! </i>  (Say hi!) 00:54, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
 * None of your drafts are ready to be submitted. General advice is go through the tutorial exercises, then gain experience editing existing articles before trying to create a new one. At the specific end, get an article approved through the Articles for Creation review process first, and only then consider adding an image. David notMD (talk) 01:04, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

How can I upload an image in my new page?
Risery Voiple Yelty (talk) 00:12, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Head over to Commons:Special:UploadWizard. Note that generally you may only upload pictures that you own the rights to. See Uploading images. ◢ <i style="background-color:#F7E3F7; color:#960596"> Ganbaruby! </i>  (Say hi!) 00:51, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
 * See answer below to your asking the same question. David notMD (talk) 01:07, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

New Draft sounds promotional
Hi i published >>this draft<< and it sounds promotional, any tips or suggestions on how to highlight pioneering work without sounding "promotional" or "advertising person" Raovikramnet (talk) 02:16, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
 * You first have to make sure that your subject fulfills the notability guideline before writing the draft, outlined at WP:PROF. Then, you need to find sources for your draft. Wikipedia emphasizes verifiability, meaning that we want to attribute every piece of information to independent, reliable sources. Sources also help demonstrate that the subject fulfills the notability guideline to have an article written in the first place. There's a lot of preparation work involved before writing an article, so I suggest you to work on that first. As for tone, right now the only part in the draft that sounds promotional is the word "pioneered", which we consider puffery. ◢ <i style="background-color:#F7E3F7; color:#960596"> Ganbaruby! </i>  (Say hi!) 03:04, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I created standard sections. Up to you to add content and add references. Those have to be about him, not be him, i.e., his science journal publications do not contribute to Wikipedia's definition of notability. Normally, an academic career is not in itself notable enough. Has he won major awards in his area of research? A Nobel Prize would help. David notMD (talk) 03:29, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

SOmething disturbing
is happening at Second impeachment of Donald Trump involving pictures. I can't figure it out, perhaps you can. Carptrash (talk) 05:25, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
 * . Someone vandalised a template; I've reverted their changes. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 05:35, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I'll sleep better tonight. Carptrash (talk) 03:43, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

New page creation
I see that you have not created a page for Pyramid Spiritual Societies Movement and Brahmarishi Subash Patriji. Please create two pages for two things specified. If you need content or any information, I am here to help you. 2405:201:D003:703A:1802:3857:2DD3:279A (talk) 04:39, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Try Requested articles. All articles are created by volunteers who find the subject interesting enough to devote time and energy into making it, so be patient if your request is not answered immediately. ◢ <i style="background-color:#F7E3F7; color:#960596"> Ganbaruby! </i>  (Say hi!) 04:42, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

Gale Storm
During the time when Gale Storm and her family lived in Houston, TX, did they ever live on Southmore Avenue? This would have most likely been during the time she was in junior or senior high school. If so, can you tell me the years she lived on this street and her address? If you don't have this information, can you tell me where I might find it? 69.115.59.188 (talk) 23:13, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello. This page is to ask questions about using Wikipedia; it is not a general help desk. 331dot (talk) 23:20, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi IP 69.115.59.188. The Wikipedia Teahouse is mainly for asking Wikipedia or Wikipedia editing: it's not really a place for asking questions like yours. Assuming that your question is about this Gale Storm, then perhaps you could try asking it at Talk:Gale Storm. Wikipedia article talk pages, however, are generally places for discussing ways to improve Wikipedia articles (e.g suggest new content be added, point out mistakes); they aren't really intended to be places for a general discussion of the subject of the article. It sound like that's type of the question you're asking which means you might have better luck asking it at Wikipedia:Reference desk. --


 * —as Gale Storm was an "actress and singer", try asking at Reference desk/Entertainment. Bus stop (talk) 05:09, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

How to add photos please teach me that
GauravBharali (talk) 05:13, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
 * See Help:Pictures. ◢ <i style="background-color:#F7E3F7; color:#960596"> Ganbaruby! </i>  (Say hi!) 05:44, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

Using copyrighted logo
I thought about adding the symbol that the group uses to their article at Columbine Genealogical And Historical Society. The symbol is at https://i1.wp.com/columbinegenealogy.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/Columbine-Logo-B-W.jpg But it's copyrighted. Is it still OK to use? Gale Peterson (talk) 05:37, 21 January 2021 (UTC) Gale Peterson (talk) 05:37, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes. See WP:LOGOS. Since it's a non-free work you'll have to upload locally to the English Wikipedia at File Upload Wizard. ◢ <i style="background-color:#F7E3F7; color:#960596"> Ganbaruby! </i>  (Say hi!) 05:43, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you! Gale Peterson (talk) 05:50, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

Add a reference to an article?
I am a new contributor and just added to the logic model article. I need help adding the following reference to the page for the Progressive Outcomes Scale Logic Model.

Brown Q (2021). Racial Equity Lens Logic Model & Theory of Change: A Practical Step by Step Guide to Help Nonprofits Become More Confident in Their Ability to Demonstrate Outcomes. Farmington, MI: Independently published.ISBN-13: 979-8572721270 Humanisticcare (talk) 04:11, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
 * See Help:Footnotes for reference formatting help. I've reverted your edits at logic model because it places undue weight on this one model. The long paragraph disproportionate places emphasis on the model, making it seem promotional. Ideally, we want to see reliable, secondary sources that review and evaluate this model; the lack of these sources is a original research issue. ◢ <i style="background-color:#F7E3F7; color:#960596"> Ganbaruby! </i>  (Say hi!) 04:50, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
 * What if I shortened the paragraph?
 * The problem is that your entire model is one person's theory. First look for reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject and see what they have to say about the model. Rewrite your paragraph to be more concise and incorporate those independent sources. If no such sources exist, that likely means that the model is not that noteworthy to be included in the first place. Wikipedia does not include every single theory; see WP:FRINGE for a related guideline. ◢ <i style="background-color:#F7E3F7; color:#960596"> Ganbaruby! </i>  (Say hi!) 06:32, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

Archival databases as sources
Hi, I'm new to Wikipedia and curious about using archival databases or a film archive's online catalogues as references when adding information on the location of a film print (or for info on said film). Is it enough to link to the database and provide the film id in the reference? Thanks! SacKate (talk) 08:16, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi it's very difficult to answer your question in the abstract, could you show us an example? Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 12:38, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

Hi Roger (Dodger67), I'd like to use the EYE Filmmuseum's online catalogue as a source for the location of and information on some films in Luise del Zopp's filmography. Because the database doesn't have a unique link for each film in the catalogue, I can only provide the main catalogue link and the film ID for people to search with (for example, as I've started to do on her page). Just want to make sure that's an acceptable sourcing practice. Thanks! SacKate (talk) 13:36, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
 * that is a difficult question, beyond my skill level unfortunately, perhaps someone at the Technical Village Pump could help you. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 06:03, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Could you provide a sample link? ◢ <i style="background-color:#F7E3F7; color:#960596"> Ganbaruby! </i>  (Say hi!) 06:34, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Ok I see what you're doing at Luise del Zopp. I'd say that's acceptable: a footnote should provide enough information that someone else can access it. ◢ <i style="background-color:#F7E3F7; color:#960596"> Ganbaruby! </i>  (Say hi!) 06:39, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

Thank you ◢ <i style="background-color:#F7E3F7; color:#960596"> Ganbaruby! </i>! SacKate (talk) 08:56, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

My topics
Hello Everybody! I want to write articles about my hometown and villages, what do you think will it be published in Wikipedia website so that all people around the world can access it and read it ? Zaki5030 (talk) 12:16, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi, Zaki5030, welcome to the Teahouse. Populated places are generally presumed notable, so it's likely you could write such articles. Census records are a handy way of providing demographics data and verifying the existence of places. Some recommended reading would be Your First Article, What Wikipedia is Not and Referencing for Beginners. Be sure to check that the articles you'd like to create don't already exist. Regards, Zindor (talk) 12:33, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi There's one more thing to keep in mind. If you are writing about small villages it may be very hard to find sufficient sources that say much more than the bare basics. In that case it is common practice to write about the next level up of local government organization such as municipality, district, commune, county, etc whichever is applicable. There you can write "ABC is a municipality in DEF district. The municipal seat is "Maintown" and there are also three small villages "Village A", "Village B" and "Village C"." Then you can add a short paragraph about each village. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 09:20, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

Linking to a section of another page
On the page Libertarian (Brazil), I want to link the term "new right" to the subsection 'Brazil' in the article 'New Right'. I thought all I need to do was use the syntax New Right -- but that just gives a popup of the top of the New Right page. What am I doing wrong? TIA UClaudius (talk) 09:07, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
 * , the syntax on the page was linked to Right-wing politics, not the New Right, so the section didn't exist and therefore it didn't jump down to it. I've fixed the link now, so it should work. Giraffer (talk·contribs) 10:09, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

Another Teahouse visitor
117.98.128.44 (talk) 04:50, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Do you have a question about how Wikipedia operates? David notMD (talk) 10:47, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

allahbad
1.186.6.9 (talk) 10:13, 21 January 2021 (UTC)


 * The Teahouse is A friendly place where you can ask questions to get help with using and editing Wikipedia.
 * Do you have any questions about using or editing Wikipedia? --CiaPan (talk) 10:57, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

Inquiry on publishing rate
Hi! I want our brand to be published in Wikipedia - can you help us with the content and publishing? Our brand is Lumina Homes - a real estate company under Vista Land. Please keep in touch via my email alanray_alavarta@luminahomes.com.ph to further discuss this. Thanks Aialavarta (talk) 04:10, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
 * That's not how this works. Subjects must first fulfill the notability guideline at WP:NCORP, which asks "significant coverage in multiple reliable secondary sources that are independent of the subject" (I found none in a brief Google search). Then, articles are written by volunteers that find the subject interesting enough to devote time and energy into it. You are strongly discouraged from creating an article yourself, as it would be considered a conflict of interest. ◢ <i style="background-color:#F7E3F7; color:#960596"> Ganbaruby! </i>  (Say hi!) 04:36, 21 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Hello, . It sounds as if you have the common misconception that Wikipedia has anything at all to do with promoting yourself or your brand: it does not, and promotion - ie., telling the world about something - is strictly forbidden. Wikipedia is only interested in subjects that the world has already been told about, and not by the people involved in them. Also note that if Wikipedia ever does have an article about your brand, the article will not belong to you, you will have no control of what it says (your involvement will be limited to suggesting edits) and it might end up saying things that you don't want said. Also, it should not contain what you want to say about your brand, but exclusively what people unconnected with you have said about your brand, good or bad. Do you see why an article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing? --ColinFine (talk) 11:00, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

Images from .gov websites
Hello, I want to upload a file for this article from inciweb.nwcg.gov, but I do not know where the website says about uploading photos to external websites. 🔥<b style="color:red">Lightning</b><b style="color:orange">Complex</b><b style="color:dijon">Fire</b>🔥 20:16, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I can't find a copyright or licensing statement on that site,, so Wikipedia and related sites will assume it is copyright, and not allow you to upload images from it. I know that many materials published by the US Government are public domain, but it is not safe to assume they all are. See Image use policy for more information. --ColinFine (talk) 22:18, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
 * , Well, there are some files from that site like this one, https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:View_of_the_El_Dorado_Fire_from_El_Dorado_Ranch_Park_on_Saturday,_September_5,_2020.jpg and are released into public domain 🔥<b style="color:red">Lightning</b><b style="color:orange">Complex</b><b style="color:dijon">Fire</b>🔥 01:12, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
 * , I've told you all I know on the subject. Try WP:Copyright questions. (I suggest searching through the archives of that page, as you may find that that site has already been discussed). --ColinFine (talk) 11:07, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

Change of Username
I have created a new username OliverTransit. The former username/user can be deleted 'Augusta Transit'. I also would like to replace the image on Augusta Transit's page, is that possible? Thank you. OliverTransit (talk) 13:53, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Accounts cannot be deleted; you need only to never use that account again. 331dot (talk) 13:57, 21 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Hello, . Judging from your earlier question, it seems that you are connected with Augusta Transit. If so, you should read carefully about editing with a conflict of interest; and if you are employed or otherwise paid to do this, then you must comply with the requirements in WP:paid editing. Also, I note that Augusta Transit has been proposed for deletion as a non-notable company. You may challenge the deletion if you are reasonably certain that the company meets Wikipedia's criteria for notability - that is, that there are multiple reliably published sources wholly unconnected with the company which talk at length about the company. If you cannot find such sources, then please do not waste everybody's time by challenging the deletion. There is no other way in which the article could be kept. --ColinFine (talk) 14:21, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
 * The content of Augusta Transit appears to be near-identical to content already in Transportation in Augusta, Georgia. Given that Augusta Transit in its current form has no references and is perhaps unlikely to gain any, perhaps better to let it get deleted and work to improve the Transportation article, which has no images for any form of transit. Again, you taking photos yourself and adding to Commons far easier than using any existing website photos because of copyright issues. David notMD (talk) 14:52, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

Sportradar
Can some experienced editors have a look at Sportradar at the moment it appears to be advertising, there is a lot of irrelevant information that should be removed. Regards -- Devoke water  (talk)  15:01, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
 * , I see you tagged it, and Theroadislong seems to be clearing it up. Giraffer (talk·contribs) 15:14, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

How to create an article or page about my brands and businesses on Wikipedia ?
How to create an article or page about our brands and businesses on Wikipedia ? 93.117.176.34 (talk) 14:54, 21 January 2021 (UTC)


 * You need independent editors to do this, if your business meets the notability criteria. Regards -- Devoke water  (talk)  15:03, 21 January 2021 (UTC)


 * And please understand that Wikipedia is not for promotion. If Wikipedia ends up with an article about your brand, the article will not belong to you, you will not control its content (your involvement will be limited to requesting or suggesting changes), it will be based on what people unconnected with you have published about your brand, not on what you say or want to say, and it might contain material you don't want there. An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing. --ColinFine (talk) 15:46, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

How do you find vandalism?
By meaning, I don't want to participate in vandalism. I want to find it so I can report it. SoyokoAnis 15:13, 21 January 2021 (UTC)  SoyokoAnis  15:13, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse. Obvious vandalism is often caught by bots but there is also a team of users who especially look out for it. See WP:CUV for details and how to join them Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:53, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello, and thanks for your interest in counter-vandalism! You'll want to familiarize yourself with WP:Vandalism, and WP:What Is Not Vandalism. After you've read those, the easiest way to get started is to enable Twinkle on your account, and head over to Special:RecentChanges. That is a list of all the changes being made to Wikipedia. Because most changes are good, I'd recommend using a filter to filter for edits that aren't constructive. Here's one I use. When edits pop up, click on the diff icon to view the edit. If it's vandalism, you can hit 'rollback', and type 'rv vandalism' as the edit summary. Then, wait for the user's talk page to load, where you can warn them using the dropdown menu on the right of the screen.


 * Counter-vandalism can seem difficult at first, so I'd recommend signing up for the Counter-Vandalism Unit Academy, where you can learn how to revert vandalism correctly and efficiently. Regards, Giraffer (talk·contribs) 15:56, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

Admins opinion on Notability
Hello, I am creating a page for a person who has over 5 million followers across the social media. He is also an author of an international best-seller book. I understand that the number of followers don't matter, but I firmly believe he is notable! I had to remove many references and content because of social media sources, but many big brands like Google, LEGO, Amazon, Netflix, etc. have worked with him. He had been a special guest on News channels. And much more.

He is basically a teacher, and no average teacher has 5 million followers. The big sites haven't published about him yet, but why is this a mandatory requirement? I read that "common sense" is to be followed on Wikipedia when needed, so is there any admin that believes the guy is notable? Just asking for help :)

Draft:TheDadLab

Also, can anyone help to improve the draft better? Callmejones (talk) 16:11, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Admins are not the final word on notability or other content disputes. That said, subscriber numbers are easily gamed (is it one person with 5 million accounts? 10 with 500,000 each?) and don't necessarily mean anything(maybe the 5 million signed up but don't watch regularly). Wikipedia is not just a collection of information, but an encyclopedia with certain standards to be included. A Wikipedia article must summarize what independent reliable sources say. There may be other websites with less stringent requirements for inclusion. 331dot (talk) 16:21, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
 * It has been declined once, you and others have done work to improve it, including removing refs the reviewer criticized, and it has been resubmitted. You can continue to work on it while waiting for a review. P.S. Teahouse hosts are question answerers, but not necessarily reviewers or Administrators. David notMD (talk) 16:28, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Notability is determined by policy, not opinions (not even admins opinions). Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 17:05, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

question about rejection
Robert McClenon (Wikipedia) has left the reason about the rejection that there is the ambiguation with the leninist usage. There is no ambiguation in our article since “Dual Power” means AC and DC voltages in one system so that the subject might be Dual Power (AC and DC Voltages) in which the disambiguation is in AC and DC voltages.

The Dual Power Concept is developed by TREC team and all of our member do not have the significance in any conflict of interest since our intention is to spread a knowledge and introduce a new knowledge in electrical. How can we disclosure that there is no conflict of interest in our article.

Would this article still be considered to be published? Dailogian (talk) 15:04, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

2601:187:4500:24E0:1CF6:ED91:71F4:D1B3 (talk) 15:06, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
 * You say you want to "introduce a new knowledge in electrical". In Wikipedia that is original research, which is not allowed. Any article needs to be based an WP:SECONDARY reliable sources, which for this topic means peer-review articles in scientific journals or significant coverage in places unconnected with the authors of the work. As the declining editor said, this seems unlikely at present. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:47, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
 * You say you want to "introduce a new knowledge in electrical". In Wikipedia that is original research, which is not allowed. Any article needs to be based an WP:SECONDARY reliable sources, which for this topic means peer-review articles in scientific journals or significant coverage in places unconnected with the authors of the work. As the declining editor said, this seems unlikely at present. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:47, 21 January 2021 (UTC)


 * You are misreading Robert McClenon's comments, . His comment about another meaning of the phrase was the only one of his comments that was not a reason for rejecting the draft. Forget that one, and look at the reasons above it: your draft is a pure piece of advertising, and completely inappropriate to Wikipedia. Please see the replies to two sections above. --ColinFine (talk) 15:53, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you, User:ColinFine.
 * User:Dailogian - Has any reliable source, such as a technology journal or the technology section of a newspaper, published a description of your power grid concept? If so, please orient the draft to what was already published.  If not, try to get an article published.  Wikipedia is not a trade publication.  Robert McClenon (talk) 17:13, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

REQUIRE HELP!!!
So I've written this article and before moving to the article space I want you guys to have a look at it and please let me know if any changes is required: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Elgi_Equipments Dankeshankar (talk) 03:34, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi, Dankeshankar. One minor thing I can see is that you've started three consecutive sentences in the lede with 'The company', so try and explore other ways of connecting and starting sentences. There's also a few cite web templates missing title parameters and one paragraph is uncited. Otherwise looks good and mainspace ready.


 * Outside of the article, a disambiguation hatnote at Elgi would be useful to readers. Also always be sure to provide some incoming links; i've added a wikilink to Deming Prize for instance. Regards, Zindor (talk) 10:32, 21 January 2021 (UTC)


 * I have no detailed knowledge of the previous concerns about paid editing, but I must advise following WP:PAID if you are financially gaining from this. IMO the current draft is a little crufty but doesn't read promotionally to an extent that concerns me. Zindor (talk) 11:12, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
 * In Wikipedia, there is no deadline. All of your edits in the past month have been focused on this article.  My advice would be to get a little more experience in Wikipedia.  You may submit the draft for review, but do not move the article to article space yourself.  It already appears that you are trying to game the system in order to get that article accepted.  Just leave that article alone and let it be reviewed.  Robert McClenon (talk) 17:02, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
 * User:Dankeshankar - The draft, as currently written, is about what the company says about itself. Corporate notability is about what third parties say about the company.  If you were to submit the draft for review in its current state, I would decline it as not establishing corporate notability.  If you were to move it into article space, I would nominate it for deletion a second time and would request that it be create-protected, also known as salting, because you already tried to game the system once.  It isn't ready for review, and it isn't ready for article space.  Robert McClenon (talk) 17:19, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

Complex links
Hi guys, I was wondering, how do you make a link, to another Wikipedia page, that goes to a specific point? Like when you search for something like "Llama behaviour" it will take you to that exact point in the Llama page. Thx, Scalyhawk121534 (talk) 05:01, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
 * , it sounds like you're talking about section linking. The general setup with wikilinking is, where clicking on the link brings you to   and immediately to the heading  . — Tenryuu 🐲  ( 💬 • 📝 ) 05:14, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
 * ...and if you want to link to another language Wikipedia, use the language prefix to the link (remember the prefix itself must be prefixed with a colon). For example link  placed here links to enwiki article on the capital of France, and if placed at frwiki it would link to the article there. The link   links to the French article from each Wikipedia, and   links to the section on the town's history there. --CiaPan (talk) 11:12, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
 * If you want a search or wikilink on "Llama behavior" to go directly to Llama then make a redirect at Llama behavior with this code:


 * 1) REDIRECT Llama


 * PrimeHunter (talk) 11:26, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for all the help! Scalyhawk121534 (talk) 17:24, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

To Delete or not to Delete???
My contribution was flagged for deletion because it had no citations. I added one two days ago. Then the title appeared without the word, "Draft." This morning the word, "Draft" reappeared. Am I still subject to deletion? How do I get rid of the "Draft" label? Ggae1885 (talk) 17:17, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
 * , no, it is not. What happened is that the page you created was moved from articlespace (also known as mainspace, where articles are), to draftspace, where articles are drafted. This is called draftifying, and it happens usually as a result of a deletion discussion. The article was draftified because while it was notable enough to remain on Wikipedia, it wasn't of a high enough quality to remain an article. Your draft will not be deleted unless it is not edited for a period of 6 months, after which it will be deleted for maintenance purposes. To get your draft back into mainspace (and to remove the Draft label), address the concerns issued by the banner at the top of the page by adding more citations to reliable sources. When you have finished, you can submit the draft for review where it will be checked by another editor, and if they think it is ready, it will get moved back to mainspace. Giraffer (talk·contribs) 17:27, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

Conflict of Interest Question
Hi, I'm new to the wiki community. Happy to be here! I just made an edit correcting an error related to an organization I work for but did not see a place to declare a conflict of interest. Where do I declare this? Stonestageybgf (talk) 21:51, 20 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Hello, : welcome to the Teahouse, and thank you for being open about your status. COI will tell you all you need to know; but if you are editing anything related to your employer, then there are the stricter requirements in Paid editing. --ColinFine (talk) 22:25, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Given that your edit/correction to Marcus Shelby is supported by the ref that was already there, no biggie that you edited directly. However, going forward, PAID applies, meaning declaring on your User page and not editing articles directly, but rather on the Talk page, requesting a change to the article. David notMD (talk) 22:43, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

@ColinFine and David notMD, thanks for the help and clarification. I definitely want to respect the wikipedia community's conflict of interest policies. If I may ask a follow up question, there is common confusion between the organization I work for, Yerba Buena Gardens Festival, and Yerba Buena Center for the Arts, as evidenced by the Marcus Shelby correction. They are similar in name but are separate organizations. Yerba Buena Gardens Festival does not currently have an article. What is the best way to request the creation of one?Stonestageybgf (talk) 18:23, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

Iss Pyaar Ko Kya Naam Doon?
Hello, I am AppleAKB (talk) 05:28, 19 January 2021 (UTC)AppleAKBAppleAKB (talk) 05:28, 19 January 2021 (UTC). I was editing Iss Pyaar Ko Kya Naam Doon? article. Someone made comments on the page and had received -193. When I undone the edits, they undone them again. We have been going over the who is right or not. Can someone compare RYLELT7 edits and AppleAKB's. I really request you because she has made me a little nervous about being blocked. Please respond on my talk page. AppleAKB (talk) 05:28, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
 * , I strongly suggest you and discuss this on the article's talk page, as both of you have passed three reverts in an article in 24 hours, which is a blockable offence. I also suggest you read WP:TONE, as fragments like This is the love story [...] and The 8 episode series recalls the events that are special for any Arshi (Arnav+Khushi) fan are not appropriate for Wikipedia's voice. — Tenryuu 🐲  ( 💬 • 📝 ) 05:39, 19 January 2021 (UTC)
 * about your comment Someone made comments on the page and had received -193, I think that what you are referring to here is the edit history of the article where the figure "-193" appears after some of the edits. This is not a "score" or negative evaluation of the edit. It only means that each of those edits removed 193 bytes from the article. Similarly, numbers in green show the number of bytes added to the article, and are not an approval rating. More information here. Regards, --bonadea contributions talk 08:49, 19 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Iss pyar ka naam Raj hai. Hahaha.
 * On a serious note, will check out the history page.
 * I am new here and this is my first time posting on TeaHouse.:)
 * GoelDushyant (talk) 18:51, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

More Citations
I just added two more citations and have many more to add. Do I now qualify to be editing the real thing? Ggae1885 (talk) 18:46, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
 * are you asking about Draft:Rita Asfour? My advice is improve it as much as possible, then submit it for review rather than moving it to mainspace by yourself. The current version is no where near ready for review yet. David notMD (talk) 19:35, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
 * @Ggae1885 only one of those citations (the pbs short documentary) can be counted toward proving notability; you need probably two more like that -- stories about Ms. Asfour -- or you can show notability of an artist a couple other ways. I've left more info on your user talk. —valereee (talk) 19:37, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

Roger Huntman
Why is there no reference for American  author and game designer  Roger Huntman, with nearly 100 published  credits to his name and fellow associate of Dave Arneson.

yet we have british Roger Huntman, with only a single  credit mentioned. 98.146.240.246 (talk) 19:25, 21 January 2021 (UTC)


 * The number of "credits" is not relevant to their inclusion in Wikipedia. Please see WP:Notability (people).--Shantavira|feed me 19:38, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Roger Huntman does not seem to exist. —valereee (talk) 19:42, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

como edito
(added section break Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:52, 21 January 2021 (UTC))

como edito 200.8.31.88 (talk) 15:49, 21 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Es posible que desee ir a https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Portada —valereee (talk) 19:45, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

Wanted to prevent linkrot - Internet Archive bot says I'm blocked
Greetings fellow teatotalers,

so I've wanted to use the "fix dead links" option once again to pro-actively prevent linkrot in a draft I've been working on, but once I clicked "analyze page" on the Internet Archive bot site, it gives an error and declares that Analysis error: blocked: You have been blocked from editing. Why is that happening? I am not aware of being blocked - is that just an error with the bot? I'd really like to continue using that feature. -- LordPeterII (talk) 14:42, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

Sampalavi (talk) 14:49, 21 January 2021 (UTC)


 * I'm not necessarily sure why this is happening to some users; it's happened to me twice now, too. Don't worry, you aren't blocked. This issue will simply fix itself eventually, estimated to be about a day. P  anini 🥪 18:07, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I suspected such. I'll heed your advice and just wait a day or two, links likely aren't gonna rot that fast ^^ --LordPeterII (talk) 18:51, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Well, if they brush their teeth they won't. P  anini 🥪 20:18, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

Account deletion
How to delete my old account which was banned from editing indefinitely? ( Please don't ask account name or reason).. Impulse king (talk) 20:40, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
 * , accounts can't be deleted because the edits they made have to be attributed to something. I suggest opening an unblock request from your blocked account (which presumably still has its own user talk page access), as this situation sounds like an improper use of multiple accounts. This account is possibly going to be blocked as a sock. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 20:42, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
 * accounts cannot be deleted because of the license Wikipedia content is under. If your old acocunt was banned, YOU MUST return there and appeal the block. Blocks are per person, not per account. Victor Schmidt (talk) 20:44, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

Existieron las enfermedades mentales hace 3000 años?
181.62.54.5 (talk) 20:15, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
 * La Wikipedia en español es aquí. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 20:44, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Knowledge questions can be asked at the reference desk. Victor Schmidt (talk) 20:45, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

General Foods stock symbol
Does anyone know what General Foods stock symbol was before Philip Morris bought it in 1985? 130.76.24.28 (talk) 19:48, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
 * You might try Reference desk S Philbrick  (Talk)  21:04, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

Please will someone change (or help me to change) the title of "Guild of Entrepreneurs" to "Company of Entrepreneurs"?
Well, that's it really. The Guild of Entrepreneurs became the Company of Entrepreneurs on 20th October 2020.

YamamotoEditor YamamotoEditor (talk) 21:29, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Done Johnbod (talk) 21:38, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

user page
Hi! How do I add the little colorful rectangles that express affiliation with various groups/ideologies? ex. this user speaks Spanish, this user is rationalist, etc. Hoyboy 1 (talk) 21:27, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi . It sounds like you're asking about WP:USERBOXES. Click on the blue link in the previous sentence and it will take you to a page telling you all about them. -- Marchjuly (talk) 21:41, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

Chci se stát členem
Ráda bych se stala jednou z vás jak na to? 2A02:8309:1085:3700:2848:E881:A77A:1E61 (talk) 21:24, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Dobrý den 2A02: 8309: 1085: 3700: 2848: E881: A77A: 1E61, můžete začít. Na WP: Task Center můžete získat nápady, jak vylepšit Wikipedii. Možná je česká Wikipedia něco pro vás? Victor Schmidt (talk) 21:51, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

how to Submit an article for publication
Hello, I am glad to have been invited to the teahouse. I was wondering how I should proceed in order to submit the draft article for publication. Many thanks for your help. David196312 (talk) 23:06, 21 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Hello,, and welcome here. I have added a header with a button that allows you to submit it for review. --ColinFine (talk) 23:24, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

Idea?
Maybe we can get people/bots to check all pages and fix every error like I did at Puella Magi Madoka Magica: The Movie. Dutch Shoe (talk) 23:18, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi, Dutch Shoe. Yes, that would be wonderful. Thank you for your edits. Do you have any questions relating to Wikipedia? Zindor (talk) 23:25, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

Zindor, no, I don’t have any questions relating to Wikipedia. Dutch Shoe (talk) 23:27, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

User page
How to use the user page...?. How to block others from editing our or my user page? Can it be used as practice place or demo area for editing in Wikipedia like table creating, infobox uses etc.? Shall upload my photo there? Is it safe? Can I have more than one account in Wikipedia.?. Does Wikipedia provide information about annonymous editors to the respective government on demand? Does the reliability of the indian caste related articles are believable? Impulse king (talk) 17:20, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
 * , here are some answers to your questions

Regards, Giraffer (talk·contribs) 17:36, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
 * 1) Your userpage is a place to write a bit about your activities on Wikipedia, i.e. what you do, maybe how long you've been here.
 * 2) In theory, anyone is free to edit anyone else's userpage, but generally people won't unless you give them permission to. If your userpage is being vandalized, you can request protection.
 * 3) and 4. It's up to you, but I would err on the side of caution and say not to. Any image you put on your userpage is now on the internet and can be used by anyone for any purpose. It's much harder to remove all traces of personal info from Wikipedia than it is to not add it in the first place.
 * No, you cannot, unless you explicitly declare that the second account is yours. Operating more than one account without disclosing the names is known as socking, and is strictly forbidden.
 * 1) As far as I know, Wikipedia does not provide information to governments, unless in emergencies where it is needed to secure someone's safety.
 * 2) I'm sorry, I don't know the reliability of the articles related to the Indian Caste, but we have a lot of editors dedicated to editing about India, so I would presume they are reliable.


 * 1) There is no definite answer for how to use the userpage, as long as it stays in line with the policy.
 * 2) Normally, experienced users don't edit userpages unless they have a good reason. Inexperienced users are stopped by an edit filter. In case that filter is insufficient to prevent vandalism, as it is often the case with high-profile admins, the page might be protected like any other page.
 * 3) AFAIK there is no definitive rule against it, but I would keep such things in a subpage, as your userpage is often the first thing other's see when clicking on a link in your signature, and it isn't exactly good if they need to sort through a code mess.
 * 4) In general, you can insert a photo there, howeever, please be advised that Wikipedia is not a social network like Facebook or LinkedIn. Also, while user pages are not indexed by search engines by default (at least if they are well behaved), they are still publicitely accessable if you know where to look for it. As a general rule, don't put anything there you want to be viewable by the entire population of the earth.
 * 5) You can have more than one account, however, there are limitations, see WP:BADSOCK for the rules.
 * 6) Wikipedia can, in some cases, be required by law to share certain Information (mainly the IP adress and user agent) with law enforcement entities such as courts, in case of pending investigations. More info on that is in the privacy policy.
 * 7) Indian caste is not my area of expertise, maybe someone else of the folks here can answer that. Victor Schmidt (talk) 17:47, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I believe that User:Sitush has put in a good deal of effort monitoring and emending caste articles. Perhaps the OP could get some idea of their reliability by posting to his talk page. Deor (talk) 18:16, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
 * , that's true although i believe Sitush is understandably taking a break from caste-related articles at the moment. The India noticeboard is probably the best place to post. Kind regards, Zindor (talk) 20:36, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

Impulse king,

5. See also WP:VALIDALT. ... oh, it’s on the same page as BADSOCK.

6. In addition to the privacy policy, have a look at the transparency report for Jan-Jun 2020.

Pelagic ( messages ) – (10:28 Fri 22, AEDT) 23:28, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

How do I get someone to stop adding the same unsourced piece of text to a page?
Hello, I noticed that User talk:174.45.44.195 was adding unsourced info to List of the youngest state legislators in the United States. It is a paragraph about Braxton Mitchell, who appears to be real, but I looked for a source for what he was saying about him, like "involved in Turning Point USA, and having deep connections within the Republican Party", and I found nothing. I found the templates for vandalism & disruptive editing messages, and so I posted these to his talk page, but no one answered. Anyway, he just did it again, about 17 hours ago, and I reverted it again. How can I talk to this editor about these changes when he doesn't respond? And how can I get him to stop disrupting that article? Thank you. Benicio2020 (talk) 21:37, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi . You kind of do exactly what you've done so far per WP:BLPSOURCES except that you might want to follow up by starting a discussion about this on the article's talk page about this and inviting the other editor to participate. Sometimes disagreements like this can be better resolved through actual discussion instead of simply adding a user warning template to the other editor's user talk page. New editors (particularly IP editors) sometimes aren't looking at their user talk page, and spend all their time focusing on the article(s) they want to edit. Maybe by explaining to them what you mean by "no sources" in your edit summaries and why providing sources for article content is important per WP:V on the article's talk page, the IP editor will gain a better understanding as to why the content they're adding is being removed. One thing you have to be careful of is edit warring even if your intentions are the best. Repeatedly removing content such as this is probably OK per item 7 of WP:3RRNO, but at some point it probably would be wiser to seek administrator assistance at a place like WP:AN3 and let an administrator deal with the matter. You can be as polite and nice as possible in trying to explain things per WP:AGF and WP:BITE, but you can't force someone to discuss things if they don't want to; so, at some point WP:PACT kicks in and its best to seek administrator assistance. -- Marchjuly (talk) 22:06, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi . I tried a different approach. If you have 30 seconds, can you look at User talk:174.45.44.195 and let me know if this is the approach you meant? Thank you. Benicio2020 (talk) 22:37, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
 * That seems fine and there's not much more anyone could expect you to do. If the IP editor continues on as before, you can (1) seek assistance at WP:AN3 or (2) make a request for page protection at WP:RPP. -- Marchjuly (talk) 23:35, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

answering question
This article is based on a published journal. I hope it could be taken into consideration. Title : Performance Test of 2.5 kW DC Boost Converter for Nanogrid System Applications link  : https://ijtech.eng.ui.ac.id/article/view/2429 Source : Andreas, J., Setiawan, E.A., Halim, S., Atar, M., Shabrina, H.N., 2018. Performance Test of 2.5 kW DC Boost Converter for Nanogrid System Applications. International Journal of Technology. Volume 9(6), pp. 1285-1294 Dailogian (talk) 22:35, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
 * , I assume you intended to post this at Draft talk:Dual Power, and not here? — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 23:05, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
 * There are so many things wrong with Draft:Dual Power that adding one ref will not redeem it. Respond to all the comments first. David notMD (talk) 00:26, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

uploading an image
When I click on Insert Images & Media, there are no items listed in the search tab. When I click on the Upload tab it says "you do not have permission to upload this image" But what image is it referring to? There's nothing listed? Somapsyche (talk) 17:34, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Please answer below (you can edit this section by clicing the "edit" link in the header):


 * 1) What image are you trying to insert
 * 2) Where is that image located (on your computer, do you have a URL...)
 * 3) do you know the copyright satus of the image
 * These answers will help us to help you more specifically. (Note to others: they appear to be using the visual editor) Victor Schmidt (talk) 17:51, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
 * That's the problem, it won't let me choose an image, just says I don't have permission without specifying for what? The image I would insert if I could figure out how is on this webpage: https://lightcone.org/en/filmmaker-2645-francis-thompson
 * But I also saved it to my computer so could upload just the image. I am in touch with the website's owners and they do not know who made the image but have given permission to use it on this Wikipedia page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Thompson_(film_director) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Somapsyche (talk • contribs) 19:18, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I am afraid we likely cannot accpet the image then. If the website owners aren't the creator of the image, they also cannot grant you or Wikipedia the permission to use the image. The aparent subject died in 2003, and wasn't exactly young when the image was taken, so the image is not Public Domain. Therefore, the only chance to upload the image would be to upload it under fair use to the english Wikipedia . I am not an expert when it comes to clearly unfree images with unknown authors though, perhaps someone of the other teahouse hosts could answer that. Victor Schmidt (talk) 19:44, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you so much! I was able to upload it to the page! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Somapsyche (talk • contribs) 23:57, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi . I think the image you've uploaded is probably OK since Wikipedia generally allows non-free images of deceased persons to be used for primary identification purposes per item 10 of Wikipedia:Non-free content as long as it's reasonable to believe there are no free equivalents which can be created or found that can serve the same purpose as a non-free one. However, there's some other things about Wikipedia that you might not understand and that has to do with Wikipedia:Conflict of interest and Wikipedia:Verifiability, not truth.Since you have stated you're a personal friend of Francis Thompson in one of your edit summaries, you probably shouldn't be trying to directly edit the article yourself; instead, you should follow the advice given in Wikipedia:Plain and simple conflict of interest guide and seek assistance from others via Wikipedia:Edit requests on the article's talk page. Pretty much all of the content you recently added to the article is not supported by any citations to reliable sources which is not in accordance with Wikipedia:Verifiability. While I'm sure the information you added is true and your intentions were only the best, Wikipedia requires that article content be verifiable and not be based simply on one's personal knowledge of the subject matter (i.e. what Wikipedia refers to as Wikipedia:No original research). So, if you are aware of any reliable sources (as defined by Wikipedia) which can be used to support the content you added, then please post about them at Talk:Francis Thompson (film director) so that they can be assessed and added to the article if they're OK to use. Any content not supported by a citation to a reliable source can be removed at any time, and this is particularly the case with respect to quoted text or claims of awards, etc.Anyway, I've added some more information about this to your user talk page, so please take a look at it, and if you have any questions about it, please feel free to ask them below or on our user talk page. -- Marchjuly (talk) 00:33, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

Article Submission Feedback Denial Question for Draft:Raise3D
Hello, I recently received denial for a page I submitted. In the feedback I was told that my version sounded like an advertisement and there was some question to my sources. I would like to try to address any issues, but I just don't fully understand how my initial submission did not comply to Wikipedia rules.

When I asked the reviewer for additional explanation to help me understand his feedback, he said it was too product-focused and he referred me here to learn more about why my draft did not comply.

Just so you can understand my logic, I thought I was remaining neutral by simply listing facts about the products I mentioned in the draft. The sources I used were independent and relevant to the 3D printing industry, which I thought complied with Wikipedia's rules. I am not entirely sure where I went wrong.

Any additional feedback you could provide would be most helpful.

Thank you! Harley.quintana Harley.quintana (talk) 23:40, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I agree that it reads like a sales catalog, which is not what Wikipedia is used for. Instead, we just want a summary of the company and what they make. We don't need the list of products, specs table, or the certifications. Move all that history stuff in the lead into the history section. Don't list every branch of the company, but just say "X has offices in Y and Z". There's also quite a bit of improvements that should be made to the writing itself, including grammar and flow. Wikipedia should not be used for promotion, so try to make your draft read less like an ad and more like an encyclopedia entry. ◢ <i style="background-color:#F7E3F7; color:#960596"> Ganbaruby! </i>  (Say hi!) 00:41, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

image size for radio station infobox
I was wondering if there is a standard image size for radio station logos in the infobox. I have seen some IP user edits where the image size seems much too large, and there seems to be some disagreement between editors on this. Please help!! Box76 (talk) 00:37, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
 * It depends on what the logo looks like. Most logos are considered non-free content, which should be in a low resolution and only used for identification purposes. However, there's also Logos, which are not subject to these rules. Could you provide a link to the logo for us to check? ◢ <i style="background-color:#F7E3F7; color:#960596"> Ganbaruby! </i>  (Say hi!) 00:44, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi . Most infobox templates, I believe, are set up to automatically size an image to what's best for most readers, but there may be more specific information on the infobox template's documentation page. There is some general information about infobox images in WP:IBI, but you could try also asking at Wikipedia:WikiProject Radio stations to see if its members have a specific guidance. The important thing when it comes to images is to remember that not everyone uses the same type or device to read a Wikipedia article, so image size shouldn't be catered to just one particular user or group of users. Consideration should be given to the things discussed in MOS:ACCIM to make the content as accessible to all readers as much as possible. -- Marchjuly (talk) 00:49, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

Advocacy program on wikipedia page
Hi, I've been wondering if I can make a page about the advocacy we have here in our community. It is been active since 2016 and already recognized by some organizations even media outlets. I want everyone to know about this advocacy since it already reached 9 communities. Thank you! Shin default (talk) 23:39, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
 * You first have to check if the subject fulfills our notability guideline at WP:NORG. The most important part of notability is that your organization must be "subject of significant coverage in multiple reliable secondary sources that are independent of the subject". Also, since you're affiliated with the organization, please also read the conflict of interest guideline, since it would be difficult for you to stay neutral when writing. ◢ <i style="background-color:#F7E3F7; color:#960596"> Ganbaruby! </i>  (Say hi!) 00:25, 22 January 2021 (UTC)


 * The other thing to note,, is that "I want everyone to know about" is called promotion, and is not allowed in Wikipedia. If we ever have an article about your group, the aarticle will not belong to you, you will have no control over its content, and it should be almost entirely based not on what you say or want to say, but on what people who have no connection with your group have chosen to publish about it. --ColinFine (talk) 00:55, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

Changing the name of a page
Hi!I'm a very new Wikipedia editor/writer who is only doing this in order to help an artist who is having a frustrating time updating her page.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quanteisha

I think I've submitted the correct way to have an article name changed (from Quanteisha to Q-Benjamin) but I'm not actually sure if I have. Any suggestions? Or, for that matter, anybody want to help? Charleymeadows (talk) 19:58, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
 * You actually changed a line within the commented part of the code, which had no effect on the page itself. You should have copied that line into an appropriate place and changed it their as is advised in the comment. Ruslik_ Zero 20:25, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
 * In addition you should provide a better explanation for the requested move. Ruslik_ Zero 20:29, 21 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Hello, . If you are editing an article on behalf of the subject, then you have a conflict of interest, and should not be editing the article directly. Please understand that the article does not belong to the subject, and is not controlled by the subject. You are welcome to make edit requests (see that link for details) on the article's talk page, citing reliable published sources for any information you wish to add or substitute, and an uninvolved editor will look at your request and decide what to do. Note that Wikipedia articles are neutrally written summaries of what independent commentators have published about the subject, and what the subject says or wants to say has no place in them unless it has been written about by somebody unconnected. At present the article is woefully short of substantial, independent sources (and I have just tagged it appropriately) - though she does appear to meet Wikipedia's criteria for notability, as a Juno winner,. --ColinFine (talk) 23:15, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for the response. I guess it is on her behalf, though it's for factual reasons and I'm in no way affiliated with her - her name is now actually Q-Benjamin, not Quanteisha, as shown by her Spotify https://open.spotify.com/artist/7jmhGlSQ51cfFoA79NT3Xc I will happily, HAPPILY not even attempt to do anything on Wikipedia again if someone could make the one change.

(UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Charleymeadows (talk • contribs)
 * The trouble is,, that I don't see a single source other than Facebook and Linkedin, that mentions "Q Benjamin": everything I have found refers to Quanteisha, and Wikipedia records what reliable sources say, not what people say on Facebook. Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia, not a news source or promotional platform: it is here for the long haul, and cares much more whether its information is reliably sourced (so that readers can in principle go and check it) than whether it is completely up to date. I appreciate that your friend wants to change her stage name; but she cannot do this via Wikipedia: she needs somebody else to take notice in a publication before Wikipedia will. --ColinFine (talk) 01:09, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

how to check a website is eligible as a reliable source?
how can I find a reliable source for a citation needed article I mean I find some of the website which talking the same thing but Wikipedia authors do not approve them as a reliable source. is there any way to check whether this website is eligible for that particular citation or a reliable source! Thanks in Advance. Tahalatif (talk) 11:39, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi,, and welcome to the Teahouse! We obviously can't maintain a list of all reliable sources because the world is filled with millions of books, newspapers, and websites. So, we go by certain principles, that you can read about here: Reliable sources. The one you tried to use in the article Biscotti seemed to be a Wikipedia mirror (a website that copies its content from Wikipedia), and those are not considered reliable sources. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 12:12, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
 * , a list of some of the most commonly used sources and their reliability is available at WP:RSP. If your source isn't on there, you can either try to determine yourself, or ask at WP:Reliable sources noticeboard. Giraffer (talk·contribs) 12:14, 21 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Hi . One thing you can do when you are seeking to find a source for a particular piece of information in an article is to perform a search that tends to concentrate reliable sources. Instead of using a general Google search, for example, use Google Books or Google Scholar. Try a scholarly database like Jstor; try to find a local newspaper with archives if the subject is geographic specific; visit one of the many sources of text searchable newspaper archives I gathered together for just this purpose at Free English newspaper sources; and if you have trouble with accessing a likely targeted source, e.g., you can see a blurb but the balance is behind a paywall, you can seek access at WikiProject Resource Exchange/Resource Request (WP:RX). Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 14:08, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Nice collection of links! —[  Alan M 1  (talk) ]— 01:29, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

How to get started
I joined Wikipedia about a month ago, however, I don’t know exactly where to start. Is editing the sandbox a good place to start? 54nd60x (talk) 03:51, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
 * The sandbox is just a place to make test edits. For beginners, I suggest going to The Wikipedia Adventure, where you can get a crash course on how to edit. ◢ <i style="background-color:#F7E3F7; color:#960596"> Ganbaruby! </i>  (Say hi!) 03:55, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

How to make my page into public space?
I already have ready to publicized article, but I do not know how to make it into the public to see? Shin default (talk) 01:20, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
 * You've already submitted it for review. A reviewer will eventually get to it in the backlog. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 01:31, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi . I have deleted the draft as a blatant copyright violation. I will leave a detailed message about this at your talk page.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 04:13, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

New page or add to disambig.?
Tabai is a surname that three people who have Wikipedia articles have, therefore it should have a disambiguation page. However, Tabai already exists. Should I create a new page, Tabai (surname), or add the three people to the already-existing disambiguation page? <b style="color: #15CFB6;">777burger</b> <i style="color: #120502;">talk</i> <i style="color: #DB2121;">contribs</i> 04:24, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Three is pretty little: MOS:DABNAME suggests separate pages be made for 12 or more. I'd just put them at Tabai under a "People" header. Tabai (surname) should redirect to that section. ◢ <i style="background-color:#F7E3F7; color:#960596"> Ganbaruby! </i>  (Say hi!) 04:38, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

Editing a semi protected page
Editing a semi protected page Hi, This is Rohit from Visakhapatnam India. Actually I'd like to update information about my city, so that everyone comes to know what all developments are taking place in my city. But the page of my city looks semi protected and I'm unable to edit it. Please help me in editing it. Suggestions are also welcomed. Thank you so much. Garimellarohitkumar97 (talk) 04:35, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse. You can submit edit requests on the article's talk page (Talk:Visakhapatnam). Just make sure you are specific about what you want to add, where you want to add it, and which reliable source you got it from. — Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 04:41, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
 * You should make an edit request. There's a button to make one when you click "view source" at the top of the page. Be sure to make your request clear in a "change X to Y" or "add X after Y" and provide reliable sources to all of your claims. Also keep in mind that Wikipedia is not a guidebook. ◢ <i style="background-color:#F7E3F7; color:#960596"> Ganbaruby! </i>  (Say hi!) 04:42, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

How to use section links
Hi guys, I was wondering how to make section links in visual editing, instead of source editing. Is it possible? Or do you have to do it in source editing? If you have to do it in source editing, please show me how. #sectionlinks Thx, Scalyhawk121534 (talk) 04:56, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse. The general information for section linking (in source) is at Help:Section, but it can be done in visual editor. It would involve selecting the linked text, clicking on the button in the top-right corner of the small tooltip that pops out, and adding   after the page. — Tenryuu 🐲  ( 💬 • 📝 ) 05:00, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

Thx a lot. :-) Scalyhawk121534 (talk) 05:04, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

Publishing a notable event yet still getting rejected
Hi there, I'm hoping for some help publishing a new page on a notable event. I've included various sources, including to CNN and other major publications, yet am still having trouble publishing the page. Would love some help on source outlines and how best to show that it's a notable event. There's almost 9 pages of google results on it!

Grateful for any tips and hints.

Sincerely, Nate M. Njm3ka (talk) 01:43, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
 * The best thing is probably to start the article in your sandbox. That's what I did with my first article. Then when you think it's ready you can ask here for someone experienced to look it over and see if it looks ready for main space. You should see a sandbox link at the very top of the page to the right of your name. Gale Peterson (talk) 02:01, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I goofed and missed the link you made to it. Sorry about that. Somebody else who's more experienced than me will need to check it out! Gale Peterson (talk) 02:04, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello, . The assertion of notability is very weak. This has nothing to do with mountaineering. This guy carried heavy backpacks up to the Everest Base Camp in Nepal, which at 17,600 feet is way, way, way below the summit, and no mountaineering is involved. He took a very tough job at very low pay after learning the local language, but that in itself doesn't establish notability. Most of the references, which are weak, are about him and much less so about the film. I see no evidence that the film itself meets the notability guideline for films. <b style="color:#070">Cullen</b><sup style="color:#707">328  Let's discuss it  05:22, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

How to protect a page from non-semi-confirmed users
Please help me technically here, much appreciated. Hypersonic man 11 (talk) 05:50, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
 * That's at Requests for page protection. ◢ <i style="background-color:#F7E3F7; color:#960596"> Ganbaruby! </i>  (Say hi!) 05:52, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Only admins can protect a page. Make a request at WP:RFPP RudolfRed (talk) 05:53, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

Adding YouTube link as citation
Anbe Sivam, a Tamil movie, has been dubbed in Hindi and released on YouTube officially by a production house. Can this info be added under "Release" section of the movie? If yes, is it allowed to add YouTube link of the movie as citation? Ihaveabandonedmychild (talk) 08:03, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Only if a secondary reliable source mentions it; the YouTube link itself cannot be used as a reference. Don't add an external link to it either. Also make sure that it's not an illegal upload. ◢ <i style="background-color:#F7E3F7; color:#960596"> Ganbaruby! </i>  (Say hi!) 08:41, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

Mess in tables
Hi everybody, I am about to edit this https://sk.wikipedia.org/wiki/Real_Madrid_CF, but on the bottom I see a big mess in the tables (not caused by me). I tried to fix, but in the edit mode looks everything fine. Can anybody give me a hint? thank you TomasHvizdak (talk) 08:02, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
 * If you're dealing with the Slovak Wikipedia, it's best to ask for help there. However, I took out  and it works fine, albeit without the two columns. I'm guessing it has something to do with that.  ◢ <i style="background-color:#F7E3F7; color:#960596"> Ganbaruby! </i>  (Say hi!) 08:36, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Also, a trick you could use is to go back to a version of the page with correct formatting and see what's different. ◢ <i style="background-color:#F7E3F7; color:#960596"> Ganbaruby! </i>  (Say hi!) 08:42, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I have added newlines before two templates which start with a table end. Table code must be at the start of a line. PrimeHunter (talk) 09:24, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

Fixing table
Hello,

I am working on updating List of Jewish American politicians for Joe Biden's picks. However, under Cabinet-level positions, I have added Ron Klain, but the table is not coming out correctly. Please help.

Thank you! Pennsylvania2 (talk) 23:31, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
 * ✅ again, :D. The party color was listed as 'Democrat Party (United States)' when it should have been 'Democratic Party (United States)'. Giraffer (talk·contribs) 23:59, 20 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Thank you! Pennsylvania2 (talk) 00:16, 21 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Sorry to bother you again. Can you help with the Cabinet position table as well? Also, not formatting correctly. Thank you. Pennsylvania2 (talk) 00:24, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
 * You're missing the symbol for "new row", which is . You're also missing the state of residence for Avril Haines.  ◢ <i style="background-color:#F7E3F7; color:#960596"> Ganbaruby! </i>  (Say hi!) 00:57, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Pennsylvania2 (talk) 02:26, 21 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Can I have help formatting David S. Cohen into the table on the same page? Thank you. Pennsylvania2 (talk) 18:35, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Well I tried it a couple of times, but show preview lied to me - when I published it it was totally different. I'll have another look a bit later. In the meantime, I would suggest reading this. Thanks, Giraffer (talk·contribs) 22:07, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
 * , fixed by someone else. Giraffer (talk·contribs) 09:58, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

Multilingual Wikipedia Accounts
I speak more than one language. However, I have only edited in the English WP until now.

Today, I wanted to edit a German WP article, and found that I do not have an account for the German WP.

Do I really have to register a different account for each language I speak?

Or is there some option to let other language WP's know that I am not a new user but in fact already have an account here? Nonthevizor (talk) 11:25, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Your account will work on any language version of Wikipedia(as well as other Wikimedia Foundation projects like Wikitionary). 331dot (talk) 11:33, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your rapid response. I have done some more testing at it seems that I am only prevented from editing some articles, but each of them gives the same reason: that I am not allowed to edit because I am a new user (less than 4 days). However, I am not a new user. Do you know why this might be?

I also realized that on the German WP, I do not have a user page or responding talk page. This is not a real issue for me, but it's why I thought that I don't have an account there, at all.
 * each Wiki is a seperate Project, with seperate rules and a seperate permissions system. Your registration date in one wiki might not nessesarely been the day you visited Special:CreateAccount - each local wiki acocunt is created when you log on for the first time. For example, your account on the german Wikipedia shows it's connected since today, meaning the software counts you as a new user. User and user talk pages are also seperate for each Wiki, meaning that they have to be created seperately. For user pages there is an exception though: Under certain circumstances your meta userpage might get shown on all projects where a local userpage doesn't exist, see Global user page. Victor Schmidt (talk) 12:14, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
 * thank you for your explanation, I now understand where the issue lies. Nonthevizor (talk) 12:19, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

Wrong Commons link
Why does Salt and pepper shakers link at the left side to commons:Category:Salt shakers instead of commons:Category:Salt and pepper shakers? The Wikidata item links to the latter. J3133 (talk) 12:59, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Fixed. The Wikidata Commons Category statement was pointing to Salt shakers. - X201 (talk) 14:34, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

Draft:Troop 508
I just wanted to say that I am A scout who is part of troop 508 and I was asked to make this article because it was a place for people to learn more about the troop and I had every parents permission to use there kids name and picture in the article so can it please be published Fwishing (talk) 00:14, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi, Fwishing, welcome to the Teahouse. Wikipedia only contains articles on notable topics; often evidenced by coverage in multiple independent reliable sources. It is not a place to host information about un-notable local scout troops. Furthermore we have policies in place to safeguard the privacy of individuals, WP:LPNAME being particularly relevant here. There is zero chance of the AfC decision being reversed and the article being published. Zindor (talk) 00:42, 22 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Hello, . I appreciate that you are keen to have your troop visible on the internet for people who might be looking, but I'm afraid that Wikipedia is just compeletely the wrong place to do this. I suggest you show your leaders What Wikipedia is not, and have a look at Alternative outlets. Groups often use Facebook for this purpose. --ColinFine (talk) 01:15, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
 * While an individual Scout troop does not meet Wikipedia's guidelines for inclusion (called "notability"), there are plenty of articles on Wikipedia about Scouting and the Boy Scouts of America that could be improved. You might be interested in joining WikiProject Scouting to learn from other Wikipedians who enjoy Scouting.  Happy editing!  GoingBatty (talk) 05:24, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
 * ,I rejected your article because I believe that it was a purely promotional article that had code errors and poor grammar/lack of links. Please take this into account the next time you write an article. As others have said, maybe you could work with your scout leaders to promote the troop in other ways.-- Kieran207  talk  14:36, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

Draft queries
I recently got my draft rejected as the person was not notable enough. What do you think I should write my next draft on? Blue calendar (talk) 13:51, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Have a look at Requested articles and pick something that interests you. - X201 (talk) 14:38, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
 * You removed the content at Draft:Elfi Heesch (which had been Declined twice, but that is different from Rejected), but the emptied draft still exists. There is an additional process if you want to delete the draft. Or do nothing, and the draft will be deleted six months from now. David notMD (talk) 16:36, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

How do I Change a pages information?
I need help changing the information on this page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obesity 2603:9000:E80F:1300:DC2A:9B1E:1BB5:8C1F (talk) 16:18, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi, I.P, welcome to the Teahouse. Can you tell us specifically what you would like to change on the page? See the response below. Thanks, Zindor (talk) 16:25, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Obesity is semi-protected, meaning that unregistered accounts such as yourself are not allowed to edit. You can go to the Talk page of the article, start a new section, and request changes. Be aware that this is a Wikipedia Good Article, meaning that it has undergone serious review by experienced editors to reach its current state. David notMD (talk) 16:40, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

How to talk to wiki users?
How to chat with Wiki users? Sandhya Ch1 (talk) 11:27, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. If you need to talk with other Wikipedia users about Wikipedia related matters, you may use user talk pages.  Every user has one; usually they are linked to in editor's signatures, they can also be found in the edit histories of articles.  Mine is at User talk:331dot, for example.  If you need a real time discussion with others, there is also the IRC channels available. 331dot (talk) 11:32, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
 * If you want to speak to multiple people at once about a certain subject, try checking out some Wikiprojects. P  anini 🥪 16:49, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

Haplogroup
Trying to contribute to the page below based on my own personal ethnic tri racial background. I'm EM2 and Scottish as well.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E-M2

Scotland's DNA also found that more than 1% of all Scotsmen are direct descendants of the Berber and Tuareg tribesmen of the Sahara, a lineage which is around 5600 years old. Royal Stewart DNA was confirmed in 15% of male participants with the Stewart surname. They are directly descended from the royal line of kings. Source: https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-17740638.

Each time I edit the page some right wing racists take down my posts. Some folk are just pure evil and need a come to Jesus moment. Wmcdonald19751975 (talk) 17:48, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_E-M2

Why are you changing my content. I have a valid reason for posting and you deleting just makes me feel you must be some right wing racist Wmcdonald19751975 (talk) 17:56, 22 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Hello,, and welcome to the Teahouse. Wikipedia works by consensus. Any editor is entitled to revert another editor's edits, if they do not think that the edits improve the article in question. If the first editor wishes to pursue the matter, the appropriate course is to open a discussion on the article's talk page, pinging the other editor, in order to reach consensus. Reapplying that first edit without discussion is edit warring, which can get you blocked. See WP:BRD. You have currently edit-warred with three different editors.
 * I see that you did raise the issue at Talk:Haplogroup E-M2 (after you applied your second edit). Please ping the other editors and wait a decent time before going any further. It will also be helpful if you avoid personal attacks on other editors (which is how your comment above appears to me). --ColinFine (talk) 18:34, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

Resubmitted site
I removed all of the copyrighted material on this proposed site. Can it now be reviewed again for approval? If I need to add, delete or change anything else, please let me know.

Thank you

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Harold_Lloyd_Schwartz Ringsidemd1961 (talk) 17:22, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
 * We are not interested in a rerun of the Seigenthaler incident. You still have unsourced biographical claims in the draft, and that weighs against it. —<i style="color: #1E90FF;">A little blue Bori</i>  v^_^v  Takes a strong man to deny... 18:45, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

Recent change patrol
How do I do this? I am a very active wikiHow user, however I don’t know how to use Wikipedia. For example, how do I patrol recent changes? Artsy Koala (talk) 20:18, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Welcome to Wikipedia. I answered this at the Help Desk.  Please don't post the same question in multiple places.  RudolfRed (talk) 20:26, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

I messed up
I was trying to edit a page but I think I messed it up quite badly. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_skateboarding_brands

In the sections Decks, the references aren't appearing properly. Can anyone help me fix this?

Cheers ElHighPriest (talk) 21:40, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi ElHighPriest, welcome to the Teahouse. Your first edit inserted the code  in a wrong place. I have removed it. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:52, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

Thanks so much! — Preceding unsigned comment added by ElHighPriest (talk • contribs) 22:07, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

Drafts
I recently created Draft:Wikimedia Incubator and copied it to Wikimedia Incubator, however, it seems the article was not good enough. Any help on how to make a draft for the article Wikitech, as in Draft:Wikitech? 54nd60x (talk) 22:06, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
 * It looks like the incubator article was redirected to the Foundation page, although the info there is sparse. I'm not sure I agree with redirecting versus expanding that draft.  I added some info to the Wikitech draft.  That may eventually be redirected as well, but unless more project info is put at the new redirected target it's not a good redirect. <b style="color:#7F007F">TimTempleton</b> <sup style="color:#800080">(talk)  <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  22:39, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

Providing material referred to in an entry on Wikipedia
I want to refer to material that does not appear on a website. How can I upload this information in a way that people can see how my points are grounded in fact? Thanks. Sorry if this sounds rather basic! RobinEllie (talk) 19:01, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Not a problem at all. The answer is that we accept sources that aren't online; the caveat is that you would need to provide enough bibliographical information to be able to look the source up in an archive or library. What's needed varies depending on the source:
 * Books need, at minimum, the book title, author, publisher, year of publication, page(s) being cited, and the ISBN or WorldCat ID number.
 * Periodicals need, at minimum, the publication title, article title, article byline (generally synonymous with the author of the piece), page(s) the article is on, and the edition of the periodical (i.e. 1 Jan 1923).
 * Does this help? —<i style="color: #1E90FF;">A little blue Bori</i>  v^_^v  Takes a strong man to deny... 19:17, 22 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Hello,, and welcome to the Teahouse. Sources absolutely do not need to be online; but they must have been published by a reputable publisher. Unpublished material of any sort may not be used in a Wikipedia article, and information that is available only in unpublished papers may not be added to any Wikipedia article: it would be counted as original research. Self-published materials may be cited, but only for limited purposes - see the page I linked. If your source has been published and is not available online, it is likely that for you to upload it anywhere would be a copyright violation, and Wikipedia forbids links to any material that infringes copyright. --ColinFine (talk) 22:42, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

"The Exodus" and all pages related to the Holy Bible and the Catholic Bible (which has almost all books in common) needs Biblical scholar & biblical archaeologist editor(s)
Please look at my sandbox related to The Exodus story page.

All entries about the biblical scriptures should include (in the first paragraph) that the many archaeological color pictures are in the "NIV Study Bible," (2011) version, --or one of the 2011 versions-- published by www.zondervan.com I suggest inviting biblical scholars and biblical archeologists to review and edit pages related to the Bible.

I can be considered one biblical scholar. Notice the dominating editors of The Exodus site are portraying this --possible or likely-- historical event as a myth. There is quite a lot of evidence as expressed in the book listed above. Ecopeacevision (talk) 17:08, 22 January 2021 (UTC)ecopeacevision
 * Actually it's not the editors, it's the reliable sources that say the event is a myth. Theroadislong (talk) 17:57, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
 * And as you have been told previously "The Exodus article reflects the academic consensus about the Exodus, which includes scholars of various religious beliefs. The views of fundamentalists and conspiracy theorists have no place there or anywhere else on Wikipedia." Theroadislong (talk) 18:18, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
 * FYI account was blocked for username violation.  for interested editors. <b style="color:#7F007F">TimTempleton</b> <sup style="color:#800080">(talk)  <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  22:59, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

Hi Dear Editors/Admins.
Dear Editors/Admins, Hope you and your family are safe and doing good. I am a new editor and a quick learner so I wanted to ask that can i create new articles for schools in kashmir, i have noticed that there are many major famous private schools which aren’t available on wikipedia. I have seen many school articles without any references, so i wanted to clear my doubt on how does the articles on schools work? Extremely sorry if i am asking a silly question but I don’t want to make mistakes again like i did in the past by giving incorrect references or other typing mistakes, that’s why i want to be confirm on this. And after creating the draft should i submit them to Articles for creation process or just move it to the mainspace by myself? Also after i create a draft where should i post it so that other editors can look at it and improve so that it looks good?. Thanks. Have a good day/night ahead.Hums4r.(Talk to me here) 00:29, 22 January 2021 (UTC) Hums4r.(Talk to me here) 00:29, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi . You might want to ask about this at Wikipedia:WikiProject Schools since that's where you're likely going to find editors who are familiar with school-related articles. You might also want to take a look at Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not, Wikipedia:The answer to life, the universe, and everything, Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies) since those pages also contain information you may find helpful. -- Marchjuly (talk) 00:41, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
 * —sorry that it seems that you are not getting any help, as I am the one who referred you here to the Teahouse. If no one else weighs in with other suggestions, I would consider weighing in at WikiProject Schools, as has been suggested. Also, I think that you should try to make more clear what you are trying to do. Let me offer this suggestion: try to pick one school in Kashmir that you think has substantial sourcing. Pick a school that is clearly well-known and likely to have some references. It is hard to write an article if you have no sources, as that would just be original research. You will learn a lot from trying to write that article, and you will probably interact with other editors; they will provide feedback. Don't be discouraged. Bus stop (talk) 04:45, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi sir, Kindly don't say this. You're experienced to me on wikipedia and hence you're like my mentor, it's my work to go to the correct discussions, you did your correct job by asking me to post here. i appreciate your time and efforts and humbleness. i will do as you suggested. thanks very much. Hums4r.(Talk to me here) 04:52, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi, Hums4r! I assume the institutions you have in mind are "real" secondary schools and not just paid accreditation mills? The latter type may be subject to different guidelines.
 * I tapped through to WikiProject Schools/Article advice and saw that schools are still expected to pass the normal notability guidelines. So even though unreferenced school articles do exist, your best approach when starting out is to pick a school where you can demonstrate notability. I know that sounds like a double standard, but I just hope to help you avoid the stress of having to argue over notability issues.  One hurdle you may encounter is that a school could be major, and famous by word of mouth, but not have been written about in print.
 * I’m fairly much repeating Bus Stop's advice, sorry for the duplication. Do have a look at the other sections of the Schools "Article advice" page: it’s long but will give you headings you can use to create the skeleton of your article. If you’re in Kashmir yourself, then you might be in a position draw on local sources like newspapers – good luck! Pelagic ( messages ) – (10:29 Sat 23, AEDT) 23:29, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

Question about making articles
Hi thanks for inviting me. I have a question on making an article. I’m really into music and think there are some music articles I could write for the wiki project. My question is basically asking how you make an article or if there’s a waiting period to be granted access. MARSWORLD (talk) 23:21, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Welcome to Wikipedia, and thanks for wanting to add to it. Check out WP:YFA for guidance on what is needed to create an article and there is a wizard there you can use to create a draft for review.  Creating an article is not an easy task for new users, so you may want to start by working to improve existing articles instead.  There is also WP:ADVENTURE an interactive learning game you may want to try.  RudolfRed (talk) 01:43, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

How to reply to suspicions of sockpuppeting and COI
I need some guidance with regard to this question https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:2021_storming_of_the_United_States_Capitol&diff=1002124261&oldid=1002123908 I don't think it's appropriate for me to answer on that talkpage, so I have several questions on how to proceed: Thanks! — Alalch Emis 00:23, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
 * 1) am I obliged to answer?
 * 2) if not obliged - should I answer?
 * 3) if I should - where?
 * 4) if I either should or shouldn't, and ignore the issue, is that bad, and what could happen?
 * 5) did the user who asked the question act inappropriately to ask it there?
 * 6) under the circumstances of this specific case, is it appropriate for anyone to ask me this question anywhere?
 * 7) is it proper that his post remain in that section, or is there a possibility for it to be moved to my talk page or elsewhere?
 * No, it is not an inappropriate question to ask if you have alternate accounts or a conflict of interest. You can reply to that question there where it was asked.  RudolfRed (talk) 01:38, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Please answer this as well: 1. am I obliged to, and 2. if not - should I?
 * Yes you should. If you have a COI or an alternate account you must disclose it.  RudolfRed (talk) 01:45, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks. What if the asker of the question does not believe me when I say I don't. What recourse does he have, in order to act on his conviction (hypothetically speaking now) that I am lying, and that I, in fact, do have a COI and/or am a sockpuppet?


 * The editor raising the concerns has a right to raise them, but you're not obliged to answer. If you do answer, it should be as a reply in the same discussion. Regarding whether you should, it depends first on if you do have an alternate account or conflict of interest (which for this page would be if you're a professional political operative of any sort). If you do, you should disclose it.
 * If not, it somewhat depends on how much traction the allegation gets. If others find it plausible, it could end up as a sockpuppet investigation (where you'd have a chance to defend yourself and technical evidence could exonerate you) or perhaps slightly affect the closer's judgement of consensus at the move request. If not, likely nothing will happen. You could always respond to just try to address their concerns as best you can; it might lead to some back-and-forth, but if you have nothing to hide that is likely to come through in your replies. WP:Newbies aren't always clueless is a potentially relevant essay. &#123;{u&#124; Sdkb  }&#125;  talk 01:52, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
 * If they wish to pursue it further, they'll open a sockpuppet investigation with whatever evidence they have and similarly start a report at the conflict of interest noticeboard. — Tenryuu 🐲  ( 💬 • 📝 ) 01:53, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Thank you all very much, your replies are amazing — Alalch Emis 01:56, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

Freddie Mercury's nationality
Freddie was presented with Asian awards, and the announcer clearly mentions that he is Indian. 

Also, there is no clear consensus that Freddie officially changed his name. Compare Freddie Mercury to Lady Gaga, and note the the first line. He wished to be known as british, but there was no clear idea on him changing his nationality or name.--Atlantis77177 (talk) 11:59, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Wikipedia uses the name most commonly used in independent reliable sources for a subject, see WP:COMMONNAME for more information.  It doesn't necessarily use a person's official or legal name; the article about US President Clinton is at Bill Clinton, not William Jefferson Clinton.  Nationality is also usually listed as what reliable sources state that it is.  If you have any concerns about that article's content and the sources to support it, please visit the article talk page at Talk:Freddy Mercury. 331dot (talk) 12:06, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Amazing what I learn from visiting the Teahouse! For some reason I thought Freddie's background was Persian.  Our article has good detail on how he was born and raised in Zanzibar to Parsi-Indian parents, schooled in India, and moved to the UK, and mentions that since Zanzibar was a British protectorate at the time, he was born a British citizen.   If some Indians want to claim him as their own, good for them, but calling him British in the opening sentence seems appropriate given what is explained further on in the article.  Pelagic ( messages ) – (14:12 Sat 23, AEDT) 03:12, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

Hi
Can somebody tell me how Wikipedia works? Thank you! Infinite loop forever (talk) 20:09, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Welcome. If you want to learn about editing, I suggest checking out the WP:TUTORIAL and the WP:ADVENTURE which is an interactive learning game.  RudolfRed (talk) 20:27, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi, Infinite loop forever! On a technical level, Wikipedia works by retaining all old versions, so that negative changes can be undone and good content can be recovered, and by having bots and edit filters that stop the most obvious vandalism. On a social crowdsourcing level, Wikipedia works when there are more people putting more effort into creating and maintaining quality content than the opposite. A big challenge is getting agreement on what constitutes "good" content — hence lots of discussion and arguing and policies and guidelines.  That’s just my opinion, others would have different views on the factors that make Wikipedia work well or poorly in various cases. That's probably not what what you meant when asking how Wikipedia works, if so, see RR's answer above. Pelagic ( messages ) – (13:18 Sat 23, AEDT) 02:18, 23 January 2021 (UTC)


 * , here's my take on how Wikipedia works:
 * Find an article of interest to you that needs expansion or improvement (or create one; more complicated, though).
 * Think about what part of the article you want to change, and find reliable, secondary sources for it: books, magazines, academic journals, newspapers, and reputable online news and other information sources.
 * After your reading, write up a summary of what these sources say, in your own words.
 * Create citations for the sources you used in your reading (see Help:Footnotes for help) that verify what you wrote in your content.
 * Add your content and citations to the article; press the Preview button to make sure it looks good, and when ready, then hit Publish.
 * That's it; that's basically all we do. Everything else, is just window dressing. There's some rules that help write articles properly, but for starters, just be bold, and start writing! Mathglot (talk) 03:15, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

Setting userboxes on the side while there is text in the main space
userbox and other boxes conflict

I am attempting to create a box of userboxes on the right-hand side with a table on the left-hand side of all the countries I have visited. How can I do this? Thanks! Prometheusmetheus (talk) 19:57, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure precisely what you're asking to do, but User page design center might be helpful. &#123;{u&#124; Sdkb  }&#125;  talk 01:56, 23 January 2021 (UTC)


 * something like this?


 * Thanks, Mathglot (talk) 03:27, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

Help with publishing an article
Hi, I am trying to have a Wiki page published for an Executive I work for however the page was removed a few weeks after being published. I was just after feedback on what the issue is with the page. We have many online reputable sources and others in the business at the same level have Wiki pages. Is there anyone I can contact directly to show what was published and discuss the issues? thank you SamRo2021 (talk) 09:29, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
 * The history of your contributions does not show any editing prior to this Teahouse question. Were you editing before creating this account, so that the history would have been assigned to an IP address? Or was this deleted as a Speedy Deletion, leaving no history? Regardless, will help if you name the article that was deleted. David notMD (talk) 09:33, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Courtesy ping .  Gerald WL  09:41, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for your response. We used a publishing company publish it for us. Is there anyway I can speak to someone directly to discuss vs over the public forum? — Preceding unsigned comment added by SamRo2021 (talk • contribs) 10:00, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
 * - you used a publishing company? Can you tell me which account they used, and the circumstances you came into contact with them - did they approach you after a draft you created was declined, offer to move it to mainspace? I'm asking there is a chance that this is an AfC scam going on. Pahunkat (talk) 10:04, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
 * (ec) You may speak with us, here and now. You will need to review the conflict of interest and paid editing policies as there are formal disclosures that you are required to make.  Wikipedia has articles, not "wiki pages".  It's difficult to help you without knowing the title of the article or draft- and we should really be dealing with the person that actually wrote the draft/article.  331dot (talk) 10:06, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Also,, you should be aware that if you do succeed in getting a Wikipedia article published about your executive, the article will not belong to you or them, you will have no control over its contents (you will be limited to suggesting changes), and it could end up containing material that your executive does not like, if for example somebody has been critical of them in a published source. --ColinFine (talk) 13:19, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
 * FYI - Contract paid editors have been known to bypass the review process to create articles directly into the main space. It is possible that this is what happened to your "Wiki page," later deleted during a new articles patrol. The "AfC scam" mentioned above refers to drafts that were declined after being submitted to Articles for Creation, and then an attempt made for pay to get into main space even though the AfC reviewer had identified serious flaws. David notMD (talk) 15:52, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi @SamRo2021, part of the Wikipedia ethos is open and transparent process, so discussing it on the quiet is unlikely to happen. All our communication spaces are revision-controlled and publicly visible.  Your only other options are IRC or emailing an editor directly, but I wouldn’t recommend those.  The Teahouse gets lots of questions about notability and deletion, and conversations here age out to the archives quickly, so even though it seems a high profile venue, dealing with the issue here here isn’t necessarily a bad thing.
 * Also, the article was intended to be public, why should discussion about the article not also be public? That’s what happens when you get an article on Wikipedia; if you don’t want public scrutiny, then have a serious think about whether you really want a Wikipedia article.
 * — Pelagic ( messages ) – (14:43 Sat 23, AEDT) 03:43, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

Inquiry
Hello I was wondering if anyone can help in the creation of this article?

Mohammad Hossein Ellahi

I am having several issues in how to create this page. Thanks! MarkCarson1976 (talk) 16:22, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
 * A comment was left at Draft:Mohammad Hossein Ellahi advising you to learn how to properly create and insert references. You should look at existing articles of professional athletes to see how it is done. David notMD (talk) 16:43, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
 * please see WP:REFBEGIN for how to create references. And while you are at it, please make sure that the sources you use are reliable. Neither Wikipedia nor medium.com are (there might be more in the draft, but that are the two i found when scanning for common unrelible ones). Victor Schmidt (talk) 17:54, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

Thank you very much, I have attempted to resolve all the issues above. Does it seem better? also in regards to the minerva punjab section, and tampines rovers section, he didnt officially play so he doesnt have sources. Do you believe removing it in total is a better idea? As in the football databases they only list the players that play league games. Not only sign contract.
 * What's with all the htpps after the references? And yes, delete teams he did not actually play for. David notMD (talk) 04:14, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

thank you very much, to be honest it is from a lack of experience. Would you be able to help me if that is possible please?

Making your user page more interesting
Hi guys, I was wondering how you can make you user page more creative i guess you could say, like all of the other more active users have like a counter for how many edits, or like a fancy box that shows what languages they speak, y'know that sort of thing. Like one of the leaders here at the tea house (something like user:ganbaruby) has special boxes. I just would like to know how to do that sort of thing. Thx, Scalyhawk121534 (talk) 05:02, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
 * The special boxes are called userboxes and there are thousands to choose from - see Userboxes/Galleries.
 * To see how user:ganbaruby made their user page so fancy, go to that page and click "Edit source" to see the code. Don't change anything and don't click "Publish changes".  Happy editing!  GoingBatty (talk) 05:30, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

Thx so much!! That was really helpful!Scalyhawk121534 (talk) 05:29, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

Hello, need help
Hello, need help.

I am currently dealing with a WP:DE situation. This new Wikipedia user also keeps threathening me that he will "block me" while he is not an admin. He entered a page in which he has a conflict of interest and modified it with one-sided nationalist propaganda, deleted sourced information (or replaced them with ones crediting his own people) and when I try to counter him (I tried to cooperate with him using the kindest language in my talk page, but he insisted on not cooperating and saying I will be punished and he is warning me.) I kindly request someone reads our conversations (1, 2, 3) and does what is necessary. ~𝓐𝓭𝓲𝓰𝓪𝓫𝓻𝓮𝓴 𝓽𝓱𝓮 𝓕𝓲𝓻𝓼𝓽~ Contact  11:39, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
 * , this appears to be a content dispute - something the Teahouse is not designed to solve. I'm not sure where he said he will block you, he mentions that you should be blocked, but he doesn't say he will block you. Nonetheless the personal remarks are unhelpful. I suggest you try to start a discussion on the talk page over how the changes should be made, as opposed to edit-warring over it. Giraffer (talk·contribs) 15:09, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Try hashing out the content issue at Talk:Kefir, and if the argy bargy continues once it’s in talk rather than in edit summaries, maybe seek dispute resolution. You'll need some better references to support your position, @Adigabrek. From the deleted refs I saw in the history, I was only able to add back a statement about what "people of Circassian descent" call it.
 * Ignore the block threats for now. The argument on your talk page doesn’t trouble me but his edit summaries are a bit over the top.  It’s hard to know whether to let people "get away with" certain behaviour, or call them on it and risk inflaming the situation more.  Pelagic ( messages ) – (16:41 Sat 23, AEDT) 05:41, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

How do I add references into a page
I'm sorry if I'm asking too much questions but how do I add references into an page? And what happens if I violate too much copyrights laws? Please let me know! Thank you! H0MARUP (talk) 03:18, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello . Wikipedia takes copyright violations very seriously, so "too much" means that you will be blocked from editing. Please read Referencing for Beginners for information about adding references. <b style="color:#070">Cullen</b><sup style="color:#707">328  Let's discuss it  05:54, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

On Professor Emeritus/Emerita and Equivalent Positions under Notability (academics) #5
Hi. I am not sure if this is the right place to ask this question. Anyway, I just need one or two/few more opinions on C5 of WP:NSCHOLAR. I was wondering if the title "Professor Emeritus/Emirita" conferred by many institutions could be regarded an "equivalent position" under C5- of WP:NSCHOLAR. Back in 2019, I wrote an article on Gisela Webb, a professor emerita of religious studies at Seton Hall University, thinking that this could be construed as an equivalent position under C5 as many countries maintain same level of honor and respect for Emeritus professors. However, this was contradicted by an editor and they tagged the page for notability. When asked, They told me they were unsure if it really triggered C5. Later I came to know that many institutions bestow the rank on all professors who retire in good standing. While many others require a special act or vote before conferring such title. Although I have added other credentials to her page, I was wondering if this case in particular could really be covered under C5. Here is the criteria the Institution maintains for conferring the title. And what should be the general conviction in such other cases? Should it be case specific? Mosesheron (talk) 06:24, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello, . The relevant notability guideline is Notability (academics) #5. If the named professorship or equivalent is at a "major institution of higher education and research", then the presumption is that the person is notable. Oxford, Cambridge, Harvard, Yale, UC Berkeley and many other prestigious institutions obviously meet that standard, but Apple Grove Community College and similar schools probably don't. Edge cases should be discussed and consensus established. As for emeritus professors, it seems that this is pretty much a commonplace retirement benefit for professors who end their career without a major scandal. In my opinion, this is not evidence of notability. If a professor was notable, that should be obvious from coverage of and citations to their published academic work before retirement in almost all cases. <b style="color:#070">Cullen</b><sup style="color:#707">328  Let's discuss it  07:21, 23 January 2021 (UTC)


 * @: Thank you for your reply. The phrase "a further honor available to eligible retired faculty" makes sense now. Seems I missed it earlier. Pretty much clear to me now. Appreciate your help. Thank you again. Mosesheron (talk) 11:53, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

Global "ntsamr"-pattern spambot filter
I tried to create my Userpage 'User:ExclusiveEditor' on meta.wikimedia.org but it says "Error: This action has been automatically identified as harmful, and therefore disallowed. If you believe your action was constructive, please inform an administrator of what you were trying to do. A brief description of the abuse rule which your action matched is: Global "ntsamr"-pattern spambot filter", what should I do, also if you want to see want I tried to created on my userpage on meta.wikimedia.org, just see my userpage on en.wikipedia.org- User:ExclusiveEditor, because I just copied source from my userpage on en.wikipedia and tried to paste it on meta.wikimedia, then also it showing it. ExclusiveEditor (talk) 13:45, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse, . I'm not sure about the error message but assuming you are logged on to en.Wikipedia, then when you open your browser on the main webpage for meta.wikimedia.org at, you should see your username already at the top of the page, in red (meaning the page doesn't yet exist on that site). If you click on the red-link, you should be able to create the page by editing into it. You may need to ensure that your preferences are set up so that your user profile includes global account information. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:17, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Hi, ExclusiveEditor. What's happened is that you've accidently tripped a filter. There's checks that need to be made before this gets resolved. If you're able to contact an administrator on meta-wiki that's probably the best way forward. Let us know if you've done so, or if you need a hand with that. Good news is that this looks straight-foward. Regards, Zindor (talk) 14:45, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

How do I contact the author of an article to make a suggestion?
For example, I came across a piece of information about a specific neighbourhood in London that I thought might be approprate to add, but never having visited London, I'm not completely sure that my information is suitable (the data is from the eighteenth century, and boundaries may have changed, etc.) As the expert, I thought the author might like to view the information, and make the decision whether to include it, Wendigo Lake (talk) 13:06, 23 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Hello - articles on Wikipedia don't have one specific "author"; we collaborate together to write articles for the project. As such, you might want to bring this up on the article's Talk page and get the opinions of other editors? --Ineffablebookkeeper (talk) 13:36, 23 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Alternatively, you could be bold and add it anyway - it'll probably get reverted if there's any issues. --Paul &#10092;talk&#10093; 13:52, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Must have reference. David notMD (talk) 15:16, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

Talk page creation.
Hello. How do you create a talk page when there is a red link for it? Do you just go directly into it and add a new section? Do talk pages have some kind of special coding that allows them to have the "New section" button in the top after it has been created? What I am trying to ask if whether I can just go into a red link talk page and start typing for example: == My sandbox == Hey, why did you delete my sandbox edit? (signature) for example. Paul Vaurie (talk) 15:49, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes, you can create a talk page by adding a new section and typing per your example. Please be sure to provide a link to the page or edit you're referring to.  Happy editing!  GoingBatty (talk) 15:59, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

Archiving a page?
Could someone help me archive this: https://tniad.mil.id/tni-ad-turut-berduka-cita-atas-meninggalnya-letjen/? This is for an article of mine. Tried five times on web.archive.org but the website keeps saying "Live page is not available". Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 03:34, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello, . The Teahouse is for questions about editing Wikipedia, not editing other websites. Please try Reference desk/Computing instead. <b style="color:#070">Cullen</b><sup style="color:#707">328  Let's discuss it  06:03, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
 * True, but we do recommend archiving sources as part of our referencing process. I can’t load the page, could they be geoblocking access outside Indonesia?  What country are you in, Jeromi Mikhael. Pelagic ( messages ) – (17:53 Sat 23, AEDT) 06:53, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Ah! So that's the problem: geoblocking. I'm in Indonesia! As with obituaries published by the military, this would get deleted in about one or two days. How do I prove that the army, at some time, had published this page? Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 07:15, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I don’t know, Jeromi. If they really are blocking overseas access (and I’m not barking up the wrong tree), then maybe the best you can do is cite it while you can and copy a quote. Pelagic ( messages ) – (19:30 Sat 23, AEDT) 08:30, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
 * As far as I can determine, they don't appear to be geoblocking, but the webmasters there seem to have a case against the reuse of their content, as they both block the internet archive and google translate. Victor Schmidt (talk) 10:35, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I believed it is pure geoblocking. I still could use google translate. That's probably because I use google translate in Indonesia, while internet archive archives webpages with a foreign IP adress. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 11:31, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Have you tried archiving via archive.today? GoingBatty (talk) 16:09, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I tried, but it seems that I'm queue number #4500s. Leaving url here. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 16:29, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

I have a few questions about my draft that got rejected
My draft article on poet Krishna Dhar got rejected and the reason given to me is that the subject is not notable enough and that I do not have enough citation.

I am researching to find more reliable citations but please can someone explain to me why this article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nirendranath_Chakravarty passes Wikipedia guidelines whereas mine on Krishna Dhar does not? Thanks. Betahatdelta (talk) 14:55, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Draft:Krishna Dhar was Declined, not Rejected (much worse). You have several sections with no references, and have non-neutral sentences, such as "Spanning over a period of seventy five years, his socially sensitive, committed to the cause of social justice, humanist and aesthetic poems, verse dramas, and prolific prose continue to appeal and enthrall his readers." David notMD (talk) 15:22, 23 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Hi Betahatdelta. Please see WP:OTHERSTUFF. In summary, the fact other articles exist in the article mainspace that might appear to be in a similar state to your draft has little to no precedential value – because we have plenty of articles that don't currently meet our standards. Some have existing unsourced statements that should be verified; or need expansion with cited content to be rounded out; some lack sufficient citations (to reliable, secondary, independent sources) to demonstrate the notability of what they're about but are notable because those sources exist. Others are on non-notable subjects and should be deleted because those sources don't exist, but weren't properly vetted at the time they were created – and will be deleted once they are focused upon. I'd note that Nirendranath Chakravarty is thoroughly notable (as demonstrated by the existence of numerous sources like these), and the article on him could use expansion, but was created in 2007, when we didn't yet have AfC operating as a gatekeeper function. It probably would have been posted in a better state if it had been subject to that vetting process.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 16:05, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I've noted a potential copyvio problem at the draft. —[ Alan M 1  (talk) ]— 16:52, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

List articles
I know there are some weird rules that have to do with list articles. Do they need any references of any kind? I was trying to improve 99% Invisible and decided to take a look at List of 99% Invisible episodes. The article has a banner saying "This article relies too much on references to primary sources. Please improve this by adding secondary or tertiary sources." Should I remove the banner or provide references? TipsyElephant (talk) 14:23, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I agree the rules for lists can seem a bit daunting. They are laid out at WP:SAL. I would interpret that to mean that entries on a list should be notable by Wikipedia's usual criteria. I'm no expert on lists of episodes of a radio show, however. At first glance, I don't see how each and every episode could be notable. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:30, 23 January 2021 (UTC)


 * I'd take a look at the list of featured lists and see if there's anything comparable. Since 99pi has a webpage for each episode, we might want to include those in the table as external links, where they'd also double as references. &#123;{u&#124; Sdkb  }&#125;  talk 17:09, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

Need help converting Citation template from Portuguese Wikipedia to English Wikipedia
I just translated and wrote Bertha Moraes Nérici, and using the visual editor, took the references from Portuguese Wikipedia to English Wikipedia. However, it's all crashing there. Can someone fix it? Is there a script for this to avoid this in the future? User:Tetizeraz. Send me a ✉️ ! 12:49, 23 January 2021 (UTC) User:Tetizeraz. Send me a ✉️ ! 12:49, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello - I'll have a look at fixing up the citations.--Ineffablebookkeeper (talk) 13:39, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Ah - it looks like the citation parameters are in Portuguese, not English. Still, that's easy enough to fix.--Ineffablebookkeeper (talk) 13:40, 23 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Translation features are unfortunately not very good yet, especially when it comes to templates. Multilingual templates have been a wishlist item for years, and maybe Abstract Wikipedia will deliver on them but it'll be a big haul. So I doubt there's currently any script that can really help. &#123;{u&#124; Sdkb  }&#125;  talk 17:13, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

2020 f1 season
Hello at editing wikipedia:teahouse. I am curious as to who to contact to change some information in the 2020 Formula 1 season page. I notice that the 2021 season is correctly numbered as the 72nd F1 season. The 2020 season is incorrectly numbered as the 70th season, which should be the 71st season. I have followed Formula 1 racing for the last 30 years. A Formula 1 fan in East Tennessee, Kingsport, Tennessee. Tom Price. 2600:6C5C:6B00:32ED:B16D:F45D:8B42:1E01 (talk) 19:42, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
 * You can start a discussion on the article's talk page. It may just be a wording issue (2020_Formula_One_World_Championship says 70th anniversary the other says 72nd running of the race, both could be correct).  RudolfRed (talk) 20:04, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
 * (edit conflict) Hi Tom, welcome to the Teahouse. 2020 Formula One World Championship doesn't say it's the 70th season. It correctly says it's the 70th anniversary of the first Championship. The 1st anniversary was the 2nd Championship one year after the first, and so on. Maybe it should also say that it's the 71st season. You can edit the page yourself by clicking one of the "edit" links. Click the "Edit" tab at top to edit the lead. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:07, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

How do I add a Crest or symbol for a University
Hi, I am new to the Wikipedia editing community, so I apologize in advance if I made any mistakes. I was editing the Wikipedia page for my College and I noticed it didn't have the college crest on the page. Now I did upload the crest image to Wiki commons, and it was deleted after a while ( and rightfully so) as I hadn't referenced its source properly. But now I am confused as to how can I upload the image, as the image is clearly being used on the official website. Do I just link the college website? Do I get some sort of written permission from the college? I would appreciate guidance in this. --LoveKhan69 (talk) 21:56, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
 * ✅ <b style="color:#7F007F">TimTempleton</b> <sup style="color:#800080">(talk)  <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  22:52, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
 * , for your future reference and for the benefit of other Teahouse visitors, Logos is the relevant content guideline. <b style="color:#070">Cullen</b><sup style="color:#707">328  Let's discuss it  22:58, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

Thank you very much for adding the logo and thank you  for the advice.--LoveKhan69 (talk) 21:02, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

Where was Kamala Harris born
2601:4A:8201:6A10:70B0:6E19:5F4E:676C (talk) 20:04, 23 January 2021 (UTC)


 * You will find the answer in the third paragraph of our article about Kamala Harris.--Shantavira|feed me 20:14, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Here is a slightly more direct link Kamala_Harris. MarnetteD&#124;Talk 20:15, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
 * More specifically, she was born at the Kaiser Permanente hospital in Oakland, California. I worked for Kaiser as a young man, many years ago. <b style="color:#070">Cullen</b><sup style="color:#707">328  Let's discuss it  21:11, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

Saving draft without publishing
Apologies if this question has an incredibly obvious answer, however, I don't want to risk messing up! When working on a draft, how does one save the draft with out converting it to a real article? My instinct is that you press the publish button as you would just be publishing the draft and be able to return to it later, but that might be completely misguided. Thanks for you patience, James ZsXzRr84Na4QfSMi (talk) 20:21, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Hello, and welcome to the Teahouse! Just click the publish changes button on your draft to save it - it doesn't convert it to a real article. Thanks, Pahunkat (talk) 20:24, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Teahouse. Due to some legal shenanigans a few years back, Wikipedia changed the button to  to make it clear that editors' edits are publicly visible. Search engines won't catch pages that aren't in articlespace, and drafts won't be considered genuine articles until they're moved out of draftspace. In other words, just press  to commit your changes to the draft. — Tenryuu 🐲  ( 💬 • 📝 ) 20:25, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Be aware that while your draft is not found via a Wikipedia or external search, other editors can see it by going to your Contributions. David notMD (talk) 21:29, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

edit
I want to edit/ changes please advice THANKS Love Gujar Khan (talk) 22:16, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Welcome to Wikipedia. I advise you start with the WP:TUTORIAL and the interactive learning game at WP:ADVENTURE.  This will give you the basics needed to edit articles.  Feel free to come back here if there is something specific you have a question about.  RudolfRed (talk) 22:47, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

Confusion arising from peer review request
Following the instructions from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Peer_review/guidelines I tried to request a Peer Review. However, after typing the substitution, no template was created (at least none that I could see) and there was no link or directions to follow as the instructions suggested there would be. What am I doing wrong? Thank you for you patience with an inept new editor. James ZsXzRr84Na4QfSMi (talk) 23:56, 23 January 2021 (UTC) ZsXzRr84Na4QfSMi (talk) 23:56, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Looking at the code for PR, it only works if the article in question is in mainspace (i.e., no prefix like  before it). Perhaps you were looking for {{subst:submit}}? — Tenryuu 🐲  ( 💬 • 📝 ) 00:08, 24 January 2021 (UTC)

Kim Hyun Joong lawsuits
Pragraph removal - 2nd para under Paternity Case

Paternity case

In February 2015, a magazine reported that Kim and Choi had reunited, and that Choi was pregnant. Kim stated via a press release that he had not seen Choi since she told him that she was pregnant in January, and could not confirm if he was the father.[104]

[ From here ** ==== In May, Choi filed a lawsuit against Kim for 1.48 million USD for mental distress caused by her relationship with him, and claimed that his abuse had caused her to miscarry a previous pregnancy in 2014.[105][106] Kim later filed and won a 100 million KRW counter-suit against Choi for defamation, with the court ruling that there was circumstantial evidence that she was not pregnant in 2014.[107] Her lawsuit was dismissed, and she appealed the decision.[80]Bold text ==== ] should be moved


 * This paragraph should be below under 'Criminal case' against Ms Choi. In the the court hearing, it was proved she did not have a miscarriage. This is not the pregnancy that produced the child of Kim Hyun Joong. That real pregnancy happened when she followed KHJ to Jeju and ....

In December 2015, a paternity test revealed that Kim was the father of a baby that Choi had given birth to in September of that year.[106][108] Creativecaz63 (talk) 02:15, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
 * I gather you are referring to Kim_Hyun-joong. I'm not familiar with the circumstances of this, but you can always try editing boldly, and if you are reverted, go to the talk page and start a discussion there. &#123;{u&#124; Sdkb  }&#125;  talk 02:21, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

Here is part of the Important news reports. Kim Hyun Joong's counter-suit was 1.2 billion won not 100 million (that you have reported.
 * Please check the court details please*****

http://en.koreaportal.com/amp/articles/20841/20160811/kim-hyun-joong-wins-case-against-former-girlfriend.htm

Some interesting reading. It will help you edit the charges for Ms Choi. I keep asking why her charges are on his page? It would be better if you created a page dedicated to her. Or change the title to 'Criminal Charges - Ms Choi'

Thanking you on making it the most accurate information possible. Carol — Preceding unsigned comment added by Creativecaz63 (talk • contribs) 01:10, 24 January 2021 (UTC)