Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Estonia/Archive 2

Oil shale in Estonia
I am currently working on Oil shale in Estonia to bring it to GA and later FA level. As there is still a lot of work before any nomination, all comments and assistance would be useful. Although there are already several images, additional images for this or other related articles would be useful. Namely:


 * Any historical image of oil shale mining/ oil shale industry in Estonia, particularly from the first half of the last century.
 * Image of the Kiviter retort (could be used also for Kiviter process and Viru Keemia Grupp articles)
 * Image of the Narva oil plant (could be used also for Galoter process and Narva Oil Plant articles)
 * Image of the Petroter oil plant (could be used also for Galoter process and Viru Keemia Grupp articles)
 * Image of the Narva open-cast mine.
 * Any image of an underground oil shale mine
 * Image of the Kohtla-Järve power plant (could be used also for Kohtla-Järve Power Plant)
 * Image of the Ahtme power plant (could be used also for Ahtme Power Plant)
 * Image of an alkaline water lake at the Narva ashfield.

Beagel (talk) 17:22, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

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Living people on EN wiki who are dead on other wikis
The following individuals who are in the scope of this project are showing to be alive on the English wiki, but deceased on another language wiki:


 * Viive Sterpu: de:Gestorben 2012 / fi:Vuonna 2012 kuolleet

Please help to find reliable sources to confirm if these individuals are alive or dead, or correct any mis-categorization on the relevant foreign-language article(s). Please see WP:LIVINGDEAD for more info and raise any issues on the talkpage. Thanks.  Lugnuts  Dick Laurent is dead 18:07, 14 June 2014 (UTC)

AfC submission - 07/07
Draft:Estonian Museum of Architecture and Draft:Estonian Theatre and Music Museum. FoCuSandLeArN (talk) 00:39, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

Languages in censuses and Race and ethnicity in censuses
Pleas add information about this country to this articles.--Kaiyr (talk) 07:39, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

Comment on the WikiProject X proposal
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Help with an Estonia-related article containing untranslated Russian(?)
I wasn't sure where to ask about this, so if this is the wrong forum please point me towards someone who might be able to help. The article Ljubov Rebane contains what looks like a botched translation job from Russian (unless the title "High-spectral-resolution spectroscopy and for the persistent spectral hole-burning of molecules and solids" is somehow really a paragraph long when rendered in Russian). I see that there is a corresponding article on the Estonian Wikipedia which doesn't look to be similarly mangled, so if there's anyone who can read that that might also help. Thanks, ∴ ZX95 [ discuss ] 00:31, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

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Violent conflicts between Abrahamic religions and non-adherents
I was wondering if someone from here could have a look at this discussion, regarding this article section: Abrahamic_religions. I'm just not entirely sure about how to write about it in the article. — Jeraphine Gryphon (talk) 09:47, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

Advice needed
As per Wikipedia article, Estonia is not signatory of European Charter for Regional or Minority Languages? On the other hand, it seems like there is great percentage of population that actually use languages other than Estonian (especially Russian language). I need your advice how to use languages other than Estonian in geographical articles. Where should I add minority languages in lead section and where in lead and infobox? For example I added Russian in lead in article Ida-Viru County on the east of the country, but maybe I should add it also in infobox since article states that local Russian population constitute 72.8% of population. Also, is there other languages that should be added in articles (maybe Latvian, Swedish, Finnish...?). Have a nice day.--MirkoS18 (talk) 17:08, 29 June 2015 (UTC)

Euro
Estonia uses Euro, many articles talk about Kroon being the current currency. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:BB8:2002:500:0:0:0:49 (talk) 20:56, 17 September 2015 (UTC)

My present for your project
Hunu (talk) 11:53, 27 September 2015 (UTC)

Request for input at the language reference desk
There is currently a question posted at the language desk where someone watching this page might be able to help: "juniper Germans", "willow Russians" and "brushwood Englishmen". Thank you in advance! ---Sluzzelin talk  17:57, 24 November 2015 (UTC)

Help with a featured article candidate
I recently put up the article of Konstantin Päts as a featured article candidate, which could be the very first featured article related directly to Estonia. There is a problem with the images as Wikipedia's image copyright demands are quite harsh and I have no experience with that. Is there someone here who could help out with that so perhaps we could get our first featured article in English Wikipedia? H2ppyme (talk) 07:48, 20 December 2015 (UTC)

Ivar Brok
Hi, this article has been tagged "Notability" since 2008. I'm seeing coverage in English and Estonian, but it's all related to subject's death, which makes it a WP:BIO1E. I'd appreciate if a member of the project could check for any additional coverage in Estonian. Otherwise I plan to nominate the article for deletion, as it does not appear to meet WP:GNG and WP:SOLDIER. Thank you. K.e.coffman (talk) 06:50, 29 August 2016 (UTC)

Category:Recipients of the Collar of the Order of the National Coat of Arms has been nominated for discussion
Category:Recipients of the Collar of the Order of the National Coat of Arms, which is within the scope of this WikiProject, has been nominated for deletion. A discussion is taking place to see if it abides with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you.RevelationDirect (talk) 02:36, 5 September 2016 (UTC)

The 10,000 Challenge
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Articles for deletion/Indrek Erm
AfD that's within the scope of this project. K.e.coffman (talk) 07:19, 26 September 2016 (UTC)

Soviet ocupation of the Baltic states
Hi, I wonder if anyone here could help me with a question. I recently referred to the Latvian SSR as the Soviet occupation of Latvia, and someone asked me if there is any Wikipedia consensus about this. Does anyone know? It must have been discussed... Thanks Yakikaki (talk) 17:55, 2 November 2016 (UTC)

Great website
I just found a great website with biographies about notable sportspeople from Estonia esbl.ee. There are many peopele who are not on Wikipedia. So I listed them at Requested articles/Sports/Estonian sportspeople. Maybe this page be incoorporated somewhere in this WikiProject? Sander.v.Ginkel (Talk) 21:18, 15 November 2016 (UTC)

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New article: Baltic Estonia
This had been redirected to Baltic States, but the creator reverted it. Though posting here about what people thought the next best steps would be would be appropriate. TonyBallioni (talk) 06:06, 28 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Uhm, that article is truly bizarre. What exactly does the author mean that "Baltic Estonia" denotes? There is nothing in there that isn't either covered in "Estonia" or in the "Baltic states" or "Baltic region" or "Baltic langauges". One wouldn't write an article called "Scandinavian Sweden" or "European Germany" or "African Congo". I think it should be put up for deletion since it doesn't refer to anything in particular. Yakikaki (talk) 18:35, 28 February 2017 (UTC)
 * Sent it to AfD: Articles for deletion/Baltic Estonia TonyBallioni (talk) 16:46, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks, maybe just as well, and we'll get more eyes on it to see what can be done. Best, Yakikaki (talk) 17:02, 2 March 2017 (UTC)

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Request for comment on Talk:Torupill
Please add your thoughts on whether the section (Usage of Estonian bagpipes by the Estonian Defence League) should be included in the article or not, thanks!. - Neptuunium (talk) 00:19, 3 June 2017 (UTC)

Draft:Tallinn Central Library
I found this on NPP and am trying to bring it to DYK after getting A7ed. I've done a decent job on the English sourcing I could find, but if anyone has any suggestions on where to look for more sourcing/could help with non-English sourcing, it would be appreciated. TonyBallioni (talk) 03:49, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

Requested move discussion
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 * Talk:Holocaust_trials_in_Soviet_Estonia

Johan Meimer
Please help http://entsyklopeedia.ee/artikkel/meimer_johan .Xx236 (talk) 13:47, 16 January 2018 (UTC)

Election template deletion discussion
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Focus on Estonia at Women in Red
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Wiki4MediaFreedom
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Absurdly small categories for people from parishes
Hi, just a vote of protest that people from Estonia categories now go right down to tiny parishes. I consider this absurd. All the small categories should be deleted and merged to more sensibly-sized units; most countries stop at towns or counties. Chiswick Chap (talk) 20:38, 14 June 2018 (UTC)

National Register of Cultural Monuments
I started an article on National Register of Cultural Monuments Kultuurimälestiste riiklik register   https://register.muinas.ee/  Eastmain (talk • contribs) 10:46, 16 June 2018 (UTC)

Oeselians & Norsemen
Hi everyone! There's currently an active discussion on the Norsemen and Oeselians talk page. The discussion is about whether or not there was Norse settlement in Estonia during the Viking Age, and connected with that, were the Oeselians Norse, Finnic, Estonian or "neither" / historical people. Looking for people with experience and knowledge on the topic. Thank you! Blomsterhagens (talk) 16:30, 5 October 2018 (UTC)

RfC on election/referendum naming format
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Sámi vs. Sami vs. Saami
Please see: Talk:Kildin Sami orthography – multi-page RM primarily about diacritics in an endonym. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  19:22, 21 December 2018 (UTC)

discussion about articles for deletion - Estonian military terms
Please see discussion on articles for deletion. These are all foreign words for Estonian military terms. The content should perhaps be consolidated into an article on the Estonian military, but as these are foreign words (and not loan words used in English) they don't belong as article titles in the English Wikipedia. Coastside (talk) 07:11, 20 February 2019 (UTC)

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Changing birthplaces to Soviet Union
has recently started to change birthplaces to Soviet Union. Reason for this is explained to be a consensus on WP:HOCKEY. Even though most or even all sources (international sites like nhl.com, eliteprospects.com, hockeydb.com) in a specific article say Estonia (besides the facts we should know pretty well). After some digging I found Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Ice_Hockey/Archive55 in which somekind of voting happened that some involved editors tried to count as consensus, does not actually look like a consensus to me. Neither did this. Pelmeen10 (talk) 11:44, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
 * We should continue allowing ice hockey players to use Soviet Union. There's no reason to re-start an old argument that was settled years ago. Leave pandora's box closed. GoodDay (talk) 15:17, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
 * continue allowing? Based on what? I don't think nor agree that it was resolved. I see that you have been the biggest supporter of using Soviet Union. His passport most definitely also writes Estonia. I see you also posted to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Ice Hockey/Archive73. Pelmeen10 (talk) 16:12, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
 * You're stirring up trouble, which isn't helpful. Let this topic go, as far as ice hockey players are concerned. GoodDay (talk) 17:02, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
 * How are ice hockey players different from other people? It would make some sense if in the "ice hockey world" the Soviet Union would be somehow preferred. But it's not. Prove me wrong if you can. Pelmeen10 (talk) 10:13, 12 May 2019 (UTC)
 * It's called a compromise. We at WP:HOCKEY use 'Soviet Union' in the ice hockey articles 'only'. I'm certain, folks here at WP:ESTONIA, or at WP:LATVIA and WP:LITHUANIA, wouldn't want us to go around adding 'Soviet Union' to all Baltic sports bios or all Baltic bios in general. GoodDay (talk) 13:58, 12 May 2019 (UTC)

I have been looking for a policy or consensus to see when -not- to use the in-place state in birthplaces. I don't think there is one, not even in this project. I know that the Baltic states' occupation was not recognized diplomatically by many countries. However, their passports until 1990 would have been Soviet-issued ones, no? They would have been born in cities and towns defined by the in-place authorities? The in-place authorities would have kept the birth records, the driver's licenses, the health information, the passports, police records, everything. The Republic I am certain did not delete those records just because the SSR was in place. I don't think they suddenly freed murderers, etc. If a city or town's name was changed since a person was born, would we still not list their birthplace as the old name? I would think the same would apply to the states, etc. The other issues would be borders. If someone was born in a place that became part of some other country, would we not still list their birthplace under the old boundaries and states? Athletes would have represented the Soviet Union in international competition, not some country in-exile? As for using what web sites list, the question becomes more like does that site become less reliable as a source? They are not authoritative, when it is indisputable that the Soviet Union imposed the SSR during that period. I think that Wikipedia tries to be a neutral place. Using Republic of Estonia in the place of what was in place at the time is not neutral. It is a 'polite fiction' at best. It is not writing to a standard for historical accuracy. That should matter. Alaney2k (talk) 13:28, 15 May 2019 (UTC)

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Category:Ambassadors to Estonia
Many articles in Category:Ambassadors to Estonia are not provided with WikiProject Estonia. I am not sure, what to do--Estopedist1 (talk) 12:02, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
 * I think there's no need to tag if they are mostly unknown in Estonia. Would be different if our media room covers their actions. Pelmeen10 (talk) 15:03, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Similarly expatriate sportspeople wont get usually tagged by "local" wikiprojects. 15:24, 15 February 2020 (UTC)

Redirect-class
and others We don't have "redirect-class". Many WikiProjects have it (see Category:Redirect-Class articles). We probably should be use it. And it can be changed probably via User:WP 1.0 bot/Tables/Project/Estonia--Estopedist1 (talk) 19:02, 9 February 2020 (UTC)
 * changes related to classes above are pending. See Template talk:WikiProject Estonia--Estopedist1 (talk) 12:04, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
 * It would be good if there is some way to add them on existing redirects through some automated process. Adding all those manually feels like lots of work for very little practical benefit.--Staberinde (talk) 15:20, 16 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Why would all redirects need to be tagged? I imagine only the ones with article history (currently tagged)? Pelmeen10 (talk) 16:29, 16 February 2020 (UTC)
 * No need really, I just noticed that some wikiprojects have done so to certain extent and automatically assumed it was the intention here too.--Staberinde (talk) 19:39, 16 February 2020 (UTC)
 * of course, not needed to tag all redirects. Solution per user:Pelmeen10. In addition we are also waiting to see class "draft" articles too in assessment table. Already exists Category:Draft-Class Estonia articles--Estopedist1 (talk) 12:35, 17 February 2020 (UTC)

Category:File-Class Estonia articles
Is it right that this category should only contain Estonia-related files with aren't yet in Commons?--Estopedist1 (talk) 04:36, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

Deletion discussion of interest for this project
There is a deletion discussion that might be of interest for members of this project: Articles for deletion/Sky Media Group. --MarioGom (talk) 09:50, 6 March 2020 (UTC)

Assessment guidelines related to the articles of Estonia
pending discussion in Estonian: User_talk:Estopedist1--Estopedist1 (talk) 07:18, 25 April 2020 (UTC)

WikiProject Estonian towns
WikiProject Estonian towns is dead and IMHO it is not rational to revive it as an individual WikiProject. In far future, it is possible to create task force under WikiProject Estonia which is focused on Estonian towns. If no objections I am deleting the string "Wikiproject Estonian towns" from talk pages in question (eg talk:Pärnu)--Estopedist1 (talk) 09:31, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
 * WikiProject Estonian towns is not used anymore--Estopedist1 (talk) 13:25, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

Displaying Russian names as footnotes in former Soviet Union locations?
Please see Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Soviet_Union for a discussion on whether the Russian names should be put in footnotes in articles about former Soviet Union locations (which existed at the time of the Soviet Union)

(I am aware this country was in the Soviet Union for a shorter period than most, only from World War II to the 1990s) WhisperToMe (talk) 08:33, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

Review?
I'm not entirely sure where I should add this on the project page (or how active this project actually is) but I just put Draft:Veriff up for review. The template warns about possible five weeks but if someone would bother to do the review a bit sooner, I'd be delighted. I think I've proven the notability well enough, the question is how exactly it should be expressed. --Ehitaja (talk) 10:31, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
 * the article in question is massively referenced. Many serious mentions findable via Google. I hope our good mate user:Ymblanter will de-draftify it :)--Estopedist1 (talk) 11:27, 27 May 2020 (UTC)
 * No, sorry, completely not my topic.--Ymblanter (talk) 15:55, 27 May 2020 (UTC)
 * If we would have had concerns like that from the start, there would be no Wikipedia. --Ehitaja (talk) 06:44, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

Merge proposal
Hello, friends! There's a proposal to merge the article AKRAK into the article Igor Volke. I'll (probably) do it myself, all you have to do is nod. :) Talk:AKRAK. — Jeraphine Gryphon (talk) 02:42, 27 June 2020 (UTC)

Another speedy deletion proposal
Draft:Helen Sildna has been proposed for deletion. It looks a bit glossy but not so much it couldn't be improved, and IMHO the topic is notable. Maybe somebody wants to take up a rewrite? --Ehitaja (talk) 16:10, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

Estonia–Russia border
The Estonia–Russia border article is a translated article from the Russian language Wikipedia. It doesn't even mention the word "occupation" or mention the Soviet invasion, so I doubt it isn't biased... H2ppyme (talk) 14:55, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

Women in Red Europe contest
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Could you please review my article?
Tere! I am a beginner and recently made several articles about Estonian companies, but one of them "in review" since December, and the second one since February. I really want to improve them, so when you get a moment would you mind taking a look at them and tell me what to do next? Any advice would be very useful! Have a wonderful day! Cartifdet (talk) 17:38, 9 February 2021 (UTC)


 * both drafts are deleted. Not notable companies for enwiki--Estopedist1 (talk) 09:04, 15 November 2021 (UTC)

Rename articles about uezds for consistency
I’m proposing renaming every article in the form of, for example, Akhtyrka Uyezd → Akhtyrka Uezd, to match the spelling of the renamed main article Uezd. Please discuss at talk:Uezd. —Michael Z. 22:16, 6 December 2021 (UTC)

Estonia medical cases chart
Other editors might be interested in updating Template:COVID-19 pandemic data/Estonia medical cases chart. The persons who used to edit the template have very little time nowadays to do updates. LSGH (talk) (contributions) 07:09, 26 December 2021 (UTC)

Estonia as part of the USSR in infoboxes etc.
Can someone explain to me the Wikipedia logic behind using the Kremlin POV in writing "Estonian SSR" in infoboxes of people born during the Soviet occupation? It is a widely recognized fact of international law that the Soviet rule in Estonia was against international law and therefore legally null and void. It is basically the legal successor of the USSR - Russia - that alone argues for the contrary. What next, do we allow literal Nazis to rewrite articles about WW2 and victims of the Holocaust? Also, why can some totally random sports-related Wikiproject make up its own rules on such an issue that should have a uniform standard all over Wikipedia? That standard should be based on facts of history and international law, not on simplistic Kremlin propaganda or what is written in ice hockey databases... H2ppyme (talk) 14:56, 20 February 2022 (UTC)
 * There have been numerous and heated discussions on this, see here: Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Baltic states-related articles. However, WP editors could not reach a consensus. --Mindaur (talk) 15:10, 20 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Austet H2ppyme, Klõps and all honourable wikipedians, make no mistake, during Putin's rule the Russian gov't and intel agencies have been putting great many technical and human resources into propaganda and modern "hybrid warfare", including aggressive disinformation campaigns on social media. What you may have noticed here is just the tip of the iceberg, not only an odd Wikipedia editor or two with a pro-Kremlin-Stalin-USSR-etc-trolling hobby, but a whole network of hundreds of editor and admin accounts, in concerted action and manned 24-7-365 by professional staff. For these operatives, inserting "SSR" somewhere, deleting "Estonia" in another article, or reverting another edit somewhere else once every 2-3 minutes is nothing but routine paid work (with getting an honest anti-Soviet editor blocked or banned sometimes as an additional bonus). My two cents and two kopeks, stay alive, and good luck to everybody. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 37.143.124.39 (talk) 12:56, 23 February 2022 (UTC)
 * There were people that considered the USSR legally illegitimate in its totality (arguing that the 1917 Constituent Assembly was the legitimate authority in Russia). And there are people that consider that the dissolution of the USSR was illegitimate and unconstitutional. There are thousands of other examples, from across the world. Applying arguments on legalities or diplomatic recognition is a dead end for categorization schemes on Wikipedia. --Soman (talk) 16:57, 20 February 2022 (UTC)
 * 1917 has nothing to do with the occupation of the Baltic states -- the countries which Soviets recognized as independent, both de jure and de facto, at that time. P.S. You modified my post by removing the link to the discussion; that is absolutely unacceptable. --Mindaur (talk) 17:19, 20 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Apologies for the link removal, I was copy-pasting it to open in another browser window and accidentally hit "c" button one time too much. --Soman (talk) 17:41, 20 February 2022 (UTC)
 * , this really is not comparable. Estonia was a universally recognized sovereign state - recognized also by Soviet Russia and the later Soviet Union. It was a member of the League of Nations. Estonia remained a de jure sovereign state throughout the Soviet occupation with its foreign legations recognized by most countries that had been independent at the beginning of the Soviet occupation. Later on, Estonia restored its independence and it didn't found a new state. Literally the only relevant source still claiming that the Soviet rule in Estonia was legitimate is the legal successor of the invader - Russia. It really is like having literal Nazis as somehow relevant sources for claiming that the very existence of the Holocaust is contested... H2ppyme (talk) 18:48, 20 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Legal or illegal isn't important here. How some persons birth death place is named isn't gonna change the history. There are just people who are pushing their political agenda in biography articles. For the modern states the full political names of the countries mostly aren't used. e.g president of china Xi infobox has born Beijing, China, not born Beijing, People's Republic of China. France, Belgium, Denmark etc during German occupation are just writtten Paris, France not Paris, German Military Administration etc. Estonia was Estonia. Should we then change all the people born in free Estonia from Estonia to Republic of Estonia? People born few years or even a day before the end of the occupation don't even have anything do to with soviet union. So why to clutter article with this. If it's noteworthy that these people were born in Soviet Union, then it will be written in prose in the article. And finally there is the anality, like the state names, the political state names had different variations, like the Estonian SSR was renamed to Republic of Estonia in 8 May 1990, but became independent from Soviet Union in 20 August 1991. --Klõps (talk) 21:09, 20 February 2022 (UTC)
 * DARN, IP. You've caught us Soviet lovers, red handed. GoodDay (talk) 22:17, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

Looked into this, and these are again the same users. They have done it before, exactly like this, randomly taking a number of articles and changing Estonia to Estonian SSR. I've spent hours trying to get any logical arguments from them. Nothing. Same old, but the name was this. Strangely they don't have problems with Paris 1940-1944 being written just Paris, France, not Paris, German Military Administration in Belgium and Northern France. They won't fight for Oslo 1940-1945 to be marked as Oslo, Reichskommissariat Norwegen. They aren't even interested changing Estonia 1941–1944 to Reichskommissariat Ostland. They are very specifically only for Baltic states to use Soviet names. I think they are rather some western wannabe communists soviet fanboys, not real Russian trolls, but the the timing of another this kind of massediting, with the events going on in Ukraine is rather telling. -Klõps (talk) 20:40, 20 February 2022 (UTC)
 * I just don't understand how an encyclopaedia community that has the goal of being a respectable encyclopaedia can treat these pro-Kremlin arguments as factually or morally comparable with undeniable facts of international law and history, and how can they consider the Russian POV as more important than the opinion of pretty much the entire rest of the world. And I don't mean in the context of single edits and single users, I am talking about wider policy. Besides the heavy load of pro-Kremlin users, what stops us in forcing our facts-based approach over their lies-based approach? If this truly is an encyclopaedia that is based on facts, then facts are what should determine the outcome, not the amount of users who adhere to Soviet whitewashing of history... H2ppyme (talk) 21:01, 20 February 2022 (UTC)
 * About the community – the edit consensus for years has been to use just Estonia. There's a lot of naive communists and just Soviet fanboys out there, in the west and in Russia. I wouldn't say that they're Russian trolls. Just Estonian community here is quite small, so a lot of vandalizing in Estonian related articles goes unnoticed. I've fixed so much nonsense. In this theme I have fixed a lot of articles where people born in Estonia 1918–1940 have been changed to be born in Soviet Union, where Estonian names have been changed to Russian transliteration (Tynu instead of Tõnu), someone once replaced Estonian to Soviet (Estonian author to Soviet author) and it was many years like this until I noticed, went back to this users edits and changed them back.--Klõps (talk) 21:30, 20 February 2022 (UTC)

Again, arguments about de jure stuff are irrelevant, since Wikipedia isn't a court. As for the comparison with German occupations of WWII, there are slight discrepancies. Germany never annexed Paris. Paris was still located in France throughout the war, even from a German POV. But in areas annexed by Germany, the situation would be different. See for example Yuriy-Yosyp Shulyatytskyi, born in Distrikt Galizien. A person born in Prague during the war would have been born in the Protectorate of Bohemia and Moravia, as is the case with Václav Klaus. And so forth. We shouldn't bother about the legalities of government, the factoid that is of interest is to show readers in which settings the article subjected were born in, living in and died in. A hockey player born in the Estonian SSR in the 1970s would have gotten a Soviet birth certificate, attended Soviet schools, most likely had the beginning of his sports career in Soviet clubs, held Soviet citizenship and so forth. Being born in the Soviet Union would have a key biographical detail. The historical revisionism that seeks to pretend the Estonian SSR never existed is a type of nationalist pov-pushing that does help us in building an encyclopedia. --Soman (talk) 01:37, 21 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Ok, You go by de facto but then you contradict yourself by saying that de facto only matters when it's de jure annexation. Annexation is just a legal technicality, it does not change the fact that these countries were under foreign occupation. France was France, Estonia was Estonia. No need for political additions. Do you also want to change 1918-1940, 1990/91-present to Republic of Estonia instead of just Estonia? You say that you don't want to bother with legalities and then go on rambling about legalities of the need for exact political state naming.


 * No one is saying Estonian SSR never existed, insulting isn't a way to prove your point. One can also say that it is historical revisionism to deny that Republic of Estonia continued to exist while the territory was under the Soviet occupation. It was illegal occupation not recognized by international community. Estonia was Estonia. There's no need for political POW pushing of the exact political name. Infobox person says to omit unnecessary or redundant details. It is totally redundant to have full political state name.


 * The hockey player example is irrelevant here and wrong. This all is irrelevant, because just like that people born in France, Denmark, Norway under the German occupation also would have had documents issued by the occupying power, but I must clear facts. First there weren't Soviet birth certificates, each republic had it's own. Person born in Estonia got Eesti NSV sünnitunnistus. And even this does not matter because it was issued by the illegal occupying power. If the person went to an Estonian embassy somewhere, they would have been able to get their Estonian passport. They would have attended Estonian SSR schools curated by the Estonian SSR Ministry of education. They would have been playing in Estonian clubs in Estonian league again curated by Estonian SSR Ice Hockey Federation, if the club had high enough level they might have also contested over the Soviet Union league with the best clubs of each republic. But as said that's all irrelevant, people went to schools and played sports also under the German occupation in France and other countries but it's still Paris, France 1940, not Paris, German Military Administration in Belgium and Northern France, because they had schools. --Klõps (talk) 09:26, 21 February 2022 (UTC)


 * Estonian passports contain "Estonia" rather than "Estonian SSR". The same with Lithuania and Latvia. The same is written in the documents issued by the EU, UK, USA and probably many other countries. These can be considered WP:PRIMARY and WP:COMMONNAME applies. Good luck convincing ~6 million population that they were born somewhere else.
 * Also, a hockey player born in late 1980s would have had a Soviet birth certificate, yet they would have grown up in independent Estonia, having no distinct memory of the Soviet regime. Similarly, a lot of people born in the Interwar period would have grown up in independent Estonia, but would later be forced to become Soviet citizens and live under oppression. The memories and experiences are not bound by the formal dates.
 * Anyway, this was discussed ad infinitum by now and it is pointless to restart it here. Perhaps at some point the discussion could be revived and we could reach a consensus in Manual of Style/Baltic states-related articles. --Mindaur (talk) 11:17, 21 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Try to apply this logic to other settings. An analogous example is Cambodia. Vietnam invaded Cambodia, then Democratic Kampuchea in 1979 and a new state (People's Republic of Kampuchea) was installed. Many countries (USA, among others) continued to recognize exiled Democratic Kampuchea government as the de jure legitimate government of the country, the DK flag still flew at the UN HQ in New York for years. Soviet Union and allies recognized the PRK. Should Wikipedia, based on arguments of legalities, use the DK flag when talking about 1980s Cambodia? --Soman (talk) 15:57, 21 February 2022 (UTC)
 * There's not not one answer to everything. Your world is black and white, but the real world is gray. You came to argue for the white and think that everybody telling you grey are black and in your world wrong. Klõps (talk) 22:13, 21 February 2022 (UTC)

Leave the ice hockey articles alone. IMHO, this is no longer a content dispute, but rather has crossed into disruptive editing. WP:HOCKEY has made itself crystal clear on how to handle the matter-in-question, concerning ice hockey-related articles. GoodDay (talk) 19:36, 21 February 2022 (UTC)
 * You and your frends have been sitting on these articles for years with only WP:OWN and WP:JDL arguments. You are as much a disruptive editor there as an anyone changing it to the way you don't like, but for which you don't have any other arguments than you just like it to be so.Klõps (talk) 22:23, 21 February 2022 (UTC)
 * You can't have control of every Wikipedia article, concerning this topic & you shouldn't attempt to try. GoodDay (talk) 22:36, 21 February 2022 (UTC)
 * I don't and I haven't and You don't also, even if you again act like you do. You are not the boss of WP.Step down from your soapbox and stop acting like a wikipedia boss. --Klõps (talk) 22:48, 21 February 2022 (UTC)
 * That's correct. Neither of us are the boss. If you can get a consensus for the changes you wish, at WP:HOCKEY. Then so be it. So far, I haven't seen where you've been successful in getting that consensus. But, I have seen several times, where you've attempted to force your preferred changes onto those articles. GoodDay (talk) 22:52, 21 February 2022 (UTC)
 * It's Estonia related question hence we are in WP Estonia. Hockey in Estonia is not a popular sport at all so there's no one there to argue with you. --Klõps (talk) 23:40, 21 February 2022 (UTC)
 * If you can get a consensus at WP:HOCKEY, for the changes you wish to make, concerning Baltic ice hockey players, then good for you. Until then, continued attempts by you or others to ignore that lack of consensus via repeated edits, will likely continue to be met with reverts by several editors. It's not a hill worth dying on. Note: FWIW, there's an ongoing ANI report in relation to this entire topic. Odd, that Latvia & Lithuania haven't been pushed as much as Estonia, btw. GoodDay (talk) 23:44, 21 February 2022 (UTC)
 * What's the point of me arguing there with you and your friends. You have dug the trench of I just don't like it so deep no argument could reach you. You know really well that it all lays on edit consensus. All Baltic states articles have had mostly just Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, unless some active soviet supporter has come and started mass changes. And of course hockey has really strong political stance to have full political state names, even though players such as Komarov was 3 years old when Soviet Union ended and has nothing to do with it. I've looked at the old threads and it all started once with someone changing Estonian swimmer Ivar Stukolkin article years ago, thats sparked the long long threads. Latvian and Lithuanian communities in WP are just even smaller then Estonian. Estonian WP has 633 active users, Latvian has 349 and Lithuanian 374. Also If you talk about some ANI then link it. --Klõps (talk) 08:54, 22 February 2022 (UTC)
 * You should be content that we're allowing it to be "City, xSSR, Soviet Union", rather then shortening it to "City, Soviet Union". GoodDay (talk) 15:22, 22 February 2022 (UTC)
 * I would note that WP:Hockey has no more control over that than WP:Estonia - a consensus here to use "Estonia" is just as a strong as a consensus there to use "Estonian SSR". BilledMammal (talk) 16:12, 22 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Concerning the entire Wikipedia, there's no consensus on how to handle this topic-in-general. GoodDay (talk) 16:17, 22 February 2022 (UTC)
 * That is true - what I'm pointing out is that WP:HOCKEY has the same amount of control over which name is used as WP:ESTONIA. BilledMammal (talk) 16:21, 22 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Well then, you can inform them of that at the talkpage there. Personally, I'd rather avoid any big fight between WikiProjects. GoodDay (talk) 16:23, 22 February 2022 (UTC)
 * And that's how it has been. We have left hockey articles alone and hockey editors have stayed out of other biographies, but now they are edit warring and adding Estonian SSR to non hockey articles, see here for example. --Klõps (talk) 16:25, 22 February 2022 (UTC)

I can't speak for others directly. I tend to leave the non-ice hockey bios alone, concerning the topic-in-question. GoodDay (talk) 20:25, 22 February 2022 (UTC)

What makes ice hockey so special that articles in this field should go against international law and accept the age-old propagandist position of the sick warmonger state Russia? H2ppyme (talk) 14:19, 24 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Never mind that. It's that this is the hill you've insanely decided to die on, and everyone who falls down your foaming-at-the-mouth rabbit hole is going to get yourselves systematically topic banned from Estonia-related articles, if not blocked outright from Wikipedia.  And that will end all hope of you making constructive edits in support of your country, here.  Now if that's what satisfying your own egos demand of you, meh, whatever.   Ravenswing      14:40, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

Look over my text.
I am a new editor and I recently made a lot of edits to an estonia-related article, that one being Julius Kuperjanov, i want some experts on wikipedia to look through it to see if i did a good job, (ps: i did most work on life and contemporary view, i also took and translated some text from the estonian verson of Julius Kuperjanov, look in version history to see all changes) Terveseks, EestiEnthusiast (talk) 22:20, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

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"expatriate footballers fails WP Estonia" - its up to participants to decide that. Elysée (footballer) has lived in Estonia over 10 years, longer than Zakaria Beglarishvili. That's most of his career - meaning most of the article content should be about him playing in Estonia. He clearly is Estonia-related person and can be included in the WP scope. Pelmeen10 (talk) 20:25, 8 April 2023 (UTC)


 * @Pelmeen10: maybe worth to discuss at WP:Estonia. Most of the members of Category:Expatriate sportspeople in Estonia definitely fails WP Estonia, but very few maybe meets WP:Estonia. If Elysée (footballer) has extensive coverage at Estonian media, it may meet WP Estonia Estopedist1 (talk) 20:32, 8 April 2023 (UTC)
 * @Pelmeen10: I did a Petscan search for expatriates with the template WP:Estonia, see https://petscan.wmflabs.org/?psid=24688589
 * It gives only six names, some of them are head coaches of Estonian clubs/national teams, these head coaches easily pass WP:Estonia. Others are Estonian-Russian footballers, and Zakaria Beglarishvili has Estonian citizenship and long career in Estonia Estopedist1 (talk) 06:03, 9 April 2023 (UTC)--Estopedist1 (talk) 06:06, 9 April 2023 (UTC)

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