Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Former countries/Archive 9

Merge of Mandate Palestine into British Mandate for Palestine
In 2010, the article "Mandate Palestine" was forked out of "British Mandate for Palestine" article, becoming an identical article since. Due to the almost complete overlap (technically both articles describe a former Mandatory geopolitical entity of Palestine under British rule, which has only one article in other languages) and ongoing confusion (some insisted that "British Mandate for Palestine" is more the name of a 1922 document and not a country), i propose to merge Mandate Palestine into British Mandate for Palestine, and make an additional article named British Mandate for Palestine (document) to prevent confusion between the document and the geopolitical entity. Please vote with a proper reasoning here.Greyshark09 (talk) 10:03, 1 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Support per nom. — OwenBlacker (Talk) 15:09, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
 * I would like you to post your opinion at the talk page. Other users please hold the discussion there.Greyshark09 (talk) 21:24, 10 January 2012 (UTC)
 * My apologies, I should have read your statement properly. I have now posted in the discussion itself. — OwenBlacker (Talk) 23:04, 10 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Please vote on the new name here Talk:British_Mandate_for_Palestine. Oncenawhile (talk) 22:35, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Hi all, this debate has become quite complex - more thoughtful voices in the debate would be greatly appreciated. Oncenawhile (talk) 01:19, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

Discussion at Talk:East Germany#Satellite state of the USSR or not
You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:East Germany. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 16:02, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

Portal:History
Is up for FPOC. This is one of the highest (if not the highest) visibility portal on Wikipedia, I recommend commenting on it! Cheers, Res Mar 23:14, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

Request for Comment
A merge discussion has come up at Talk:Hunnic Empire and I'm seeking input from your group since you have experience handling a wide variety of articles about former state entities. The discussion may go to a more formal RfC. In the discussion so far, the question has arisen surrounding when it is appropriate to have an article for a former country separate from the main history article. I think your participation can help clarify such questions. Thank you. --Stacey Doljack Borsody (talk) 17:46, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

Problem with the move of a article
Recently i tried to move Northumbria to Kingdom of Northumbria, but a administrator rv my move with no further explanation. I tried to explain in its talk page that every single article about a former country has its form of government specified, but he did not repond it. Someone can help me here? -Ilhador- (talk) 23:17, 16 January 2012 (UTC)

Renaming proposal at Communist Romania
Since the Communist Romania article is a part of this project, I thought it would be a good idea to notify everyone here of the ongoing Requested Move on Talk:Communist Romania. The proposed new name is Socialist Republic of Romania. Regards -- Director  ( talk )  22:02, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

FAR
nominated Byzantine Empire for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 19:24, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

WPFC Europe
I would like to make a motion to split the ParticipantWPFC/Europe members list into four lists located separately on the WikiProject Former countries/Empires bureau, the WikiProject Former countries/HRE task force, the WikiProject Former countries/AH task force and the WikiProject Former countries/Italian task force. This will allow new editors to discretely choose between which subprojects they would like to be members of, and hence participate in. Currently, if a member only intends to actively contribute to any one of the four, he/she is incorrectly listed as a willing member of the other three.--Xuxalliope (talk) 23:31, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

New Spain/Spanish Empire
I'm interested in editing the New Spain portal, creating a New Spain portal page for WPFC, and adding New Spain along with the Spanish Empire onto the scope of the WP Former Countries. The featured content on the New Spain portal is misleading, (along with other things compared to other portals), and I'm wondering why the Spanish Empire is not on the Vital Articles list. I was going to add it myself, but not without at least trying to post a statement beforehand. And I also wanted to know if anyone would like to assist with the New Spain/Spanish Empire should the idea be passed? Contact me about this as soon as you can, thanks for reading LeftAire (talk) 16:29, 16 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I think this is a great idea! Feel free to proceed to take the leadership of the portal, LeftAire. However, New Spain and the Spanish Empire should already be within the WPFC scope, so I'm not sure what you mean by adding them into it. As for adding the Spanish Empire to the vital articles list, that is up to the WikiProject Vital Articles to decide. I recommend bringing it up on their talk page if you haven't done so already. My current focus lies in bettering the structure of the WPFC, so I'm afraid I am unable to devote my time to New Spain in specific. Maybe you should try contacting users on the Template:User Spanish History or Template:User interest Spain lists, as they have an already expressed interest in Spanish History and Spain. I'm sorry for the lateness of my reply. Best of luck, Xuxalliope (talk) 21:46, 25 March 2012 (UTC).

Projects and subprojects
Do we really need so many subprojects for a project with such a limited scope? It wouldn't be a problem if people weren't abuse of them, even a dog now is officially a Former country.-Ilhador- (talk) 05:18, 26 March 2012 (UTC)
 * That was listed under the scope of the HRE task force, but it was taken off the scope nearly a month ago. I didn't realize it was still listed under a former country. I say for all of the projects take off the ones that definitely aren't needed (like the Pomeranian), but include significant people, events, cities/places should be the main focus for each of these. Anything else should be omitted. I do question the reasoning of a first AND second Mexican Empire, when you could just list in under one. Then again, my knowlegdge in that scope is limited.... LeftAire (talk) 21:15, 26 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I quite agree with you -Ilhador-. In fact, I am currently working on a method of scope standardization. As for the subprojects, I think we should assess whether they have any active members who still want to keep them running. Personally, I know the HRE and Empire of Brazil taskforces have members who are active in their maintenance. For the other subprojects, we should get the active members to vote on whether they wish to see them disbanded. As for the dog article, it has the Prussian WikiProject tag on it. The situation with Prussia being its own WikiProject yet still within the WPFC's banner is a bit awkward. Perhaps we can sort that out. Furthermore, there is also a current discussion going on about the scope of individual WikiProjects. You might want to read over it to see where others stand. Thanks, Xuxalliope (talk) 22:18, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

We currently have support from LordAmeth, the only active member of the GOV and Special states task forces for the merging or removal of the two. I do not think we need to keep either of them, as they do not have a large enough participant base to be self-sustaining. However, I would like to hear the opinions of others first. Xuxalliope (talk) 21:50, 30 March 2012 (UTC)


 * I support the merger of subprojects into a single bureau (or work group). Cheers, Pædia 00:55, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

Personally, I think the subprojects are fine, it's the fact that some of the subprojects have a much wider scope than the scope of the main project that is the problem, IMHO. Thus, the "Former countries" banner can create confusion as to what exactly the page is being tagged under. For example, Martin Luther is not a "Former country," yet he is undoubtedly a very important figure in the history of both the Holy Roman Empire and Prussia, and, IMHO, deserves to be tagged in both projects - despite not really coming under the "Former countries" banner. Personally, I think that WikiProject Prussia and the Holy Roman Empire task force should be subprojects of WikiProject Germany, the Austria-Hungary task force a subproject of WikiProject Austria, the Empire of Brazil task force a subproject of WikiProject Brazil, ect. At the very least, I believe that WikiProject Prussia should definitely either be made its own independent project (à la WikiProject Soviet Union), or be moved under the WikiProject Germany banner (as it is fairly commonly accepted that modern-day Germany is the successor state to Prussia). Ejgreen77 (talk) 21:34, 1 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Yes, this made much more sense.-Ilhador- (talk) 22:02, 1 April 2012 (UTC)


 * I believe that moving the Empire of Brazil and the Austria-Hungary task forces to their respective current nation countries would be a good idea. As for the Holy Roman Empire task force, I feel it would serve a better purpose to remain as a subproject of the WikiProject former countries. It consists of a disproportionate number of subdivisions in comparison to non-state articles, making it very distinct from the other task forces. For this reason, it would be more suitable to remain where it is. On the topic of the WikiProject Prussia, it has been tagged as inactive. Other possible alternatives would therefore be to delete it, or assimilate it into WikiProject Germany. Xuxalliope (talk) 22:35, 1 April 2012 (UTC)


 * As a member of WikiProject Prussia, I have removed the inactive tag. Ejgreen77 (talk) 23:51, 1 April 2012 (UTC)


 * The inactivity was based on the criteria outlined on the WikiProject Guide, as no edits had been made to WikiProject Prussia's talk page for months. Furthermore, besides the flagging of the WikiProject as inactive, no edits had been made to the main page since August of last year. If you believe you can increase the activity of the WikiProject again, please replace the current banner I just put up with the  one. I recommend using these tips regarding WikiProject revival. Xuxalliope (talk)


 * I talked to Ilhador about a week ago of which important cities, events, people, etc., were needed. What I had meant was just the obvious that weren't mentioned, and not just every single one. Some (like Prague and Vienna; weren't listed, and should be if Berlin was) and that's just what I meant. Sorry I didn't clarify, and I'm also for deletings WPFC's that aren't used. And couldn't that Hanseatic League be merged in with Germany subprojects as well? LeftAire (talk) 17:39, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

I think we've discussed enough to start treating the subprojects on a one-by-one basis. As I mentioned earlier, Lord Ameth, the only active member of the Special task force, supports its removal or merging into another project. This would be a good place to start. I will create a new section on the talk page for voting to take place. Xuxalliope (talk) 10:19, 4 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Has there been any more discussion about moving the other subprojects to their respective current nation projects? Ejgreen77 (talk) 05:34, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

Popular pages
I am signing WikiProject Former countries up for popular pages, a feature managed by Mr.Z-bot. This addition will allow us to use a regularly updated popular pages list for statistical purposes and task coordination. This will take place as soon as the demand banner has been removed from the sign up website. Xuxalliope (talk) 22:10, 30 March 2012 (UTC)

Hyderabad State Map
I think we need to add a map of Hyderabad State on it's article,which it currently lacks--Monareal (talk) 13:57, 31 March 2012 (UTC)
 * I have added the |mapneeded=yes parameter to the WPFC banner on this article's talk page. If you wish to take the map obtaining process a step further, try making a request on the Graphic Lab/Map workshop page. Instructions for how to do so are listed there. Xuxalliope (talk) 22:17, 1 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Wait, I'll do it possibly on 19 April--Monareal (talk) 11:11, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

Special task force
First proposal: The deletion of WikiProject Former countries/Special task force. Add to the task force's page if a consensus is reached.

Support It has no contributing members, and the revision history suggests minimal activity. Xuxalliope (talk) 10:24, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

Support Based on what was discussed.-Ilhador- (talk) 15:00, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

Support It is largely unorganized and along with that it has nothing doing off. I suggest a user who runs it to make a bot account and do the same job that has.--Monareal (talk) 15:22, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

Support If it's not being used, and no one wants to keep it up, it serves no purpose. I'm all for discarding it. LeftAire (talk) 00:01, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

CommentI have put an ambox on the main page of that Special Task Force telling them that the STF could be deleted--Monareal (talk) 10:59, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

The Special task force has been successfully deleted. Further discussion is no longer required, and so I will begin the next proposal in a new section. Xuxalliope (talk) 18:25, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

Extraordinary governments task force
Second proposal: The deletion of WikiProject Former countries/GOV task force. Add to the task force's page if a consensus is reached. Deletion of this task force also requires the removal of its subsection from the WikiProject's banner.

Support It is inactive, as before. Xuxalliope (talk) 19:20, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

Support And, the job of it can be transferred to Wikiproject Former Countries(if the governments have been dissolved) or to Wikiproject Countries(if the governments are serving as current permanent governments.) Or Wikiproject Countries should have a GOV task force. The GOVTF doesn't look neat into this Wikiproject but definitively be useful on Wikiproject Countries.--Al Sheik!Woiu!I do not fish! (talk) 05:08, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

Support Follow the nominator-Ilhador- (talk) 05:23, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

And I am gonna put it on the Minshacelly for deletion if 4 supports and no oppose are the polls.Al Sheik!Woiu!I do not fish! (talk) 05:34, 18 April 2012 (UTC)


 * We should wait one week (i.e. until 23 April) from its beginning (16 April) for anyone to voice their opposition. 4 votes only reflects those who are first, not the WikiProject's consensus. Xuxalliope (talk) 10:01, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

And please don't make the next proposal delete Wikiproject Prussia--Al Sheik!Woiu!I do not fish! (talk) 12:59, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

3 more days and its the mishaselly--Al Sheik!Woiu!I do not fish! (talk) 07:22, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

WikiProject Former countries introduction
I have already added that banner. For proof visit my Userpage

--Al Sheik!Woiu!I do not fish! (talk) 05:10, 18 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Yes, I see that. If you check the member list, you have received confirmation for that with a check mark. Thank you, Monareal, for your support. Xuxalliope (talk) 22:27, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

Xuaxillope, we left a request for a map on Hyderabad, right. In that workshop, other that a bot, a few requestors are the only editors. No graphists--Al Sheik!Woiu!I do not fish! (talk) 05:00, 19 April 2012 (UTC)


 * The request has been completed. This was the result. Hyderabad princely state 1909.svg Let me know if you are satisfied with this new map. The graphist also provided an interactive version at this website. Xuxalliope (talk) 10:08, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, he did it and it is on the infobox.Mir Almaat Ali Almaat  ☏  10:11, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

And Please dont delete WikiProject PrussiaMir Almaat Ali Almaat  ☏  10:11, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

Territory of the Military Commander in Serbia
G'day, I'm looking for some advice regarding the appropriate infobox to use here. Currently there is a freeform infobox, which is the subject of some controversy, and some editors, myself included, would like to see a more standardised one used. The 'Territory of the Military Commander, Serbia' or 'Territory of the Military Commander in Serbia' (slight variations between sources on the official name) was established on 22 April 1941 after the invasion of Yugoslavia, and remained occupied by the Germans until October 1944. Essentially, it was a part of Yugoslavia before the war (there was no state or subdivision called Serbia between 1922 and 1941, and the occupied territory included parts of several banovina of the Kingdom of Yugoslavia). From late May 1941 until they withdrew, the Germans were assisted by puppet governments they appointed to assist them to administer the territory, but the territory never achieved any level of independence or recognition, even within the Axis. Can you suggest what infobox would be most appropriate? Any guidance would be appreciated. Peacemaker67 (talk) 09:52, 30 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Due to its status of being occupied, I recommend using . East Berlin is a good example if you'd like to look at a similar case that already uses the infobox. Xuxalliope (talk) 10:00, 30 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Cheers! Peacemaker67 (talk) 11:19, 30 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I wonder if you could help out with some syntax over at the article, here. We've implemented, but we've been having trouble with the syntax, the deputies went haywire (across the right hand side, when I added a sixth leader...). We've removed the deputies for the moment, but we would like to retain the fields, and, well, we have run out of ideas to fix it... Any help you could give would be greatly appreciated. Peacemaker67 (talk) 07:41, 5 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Xuxalliope, I do not agree that East Berlin is an appropriate example. East Berlin was clearly subdivision of East Germany while WW2 Serbia was not subdision of any entity, please check history maps which presenting Serbia as fully separate entity:, , , . I think that this article is rather similar to Iraq under U.S. Military Occupation article, which uses "Infobox former country". "Infobox former subdivision" wrongly imply that Serbia was a subdivision of something. PANONIAN  08:24, 5 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Xuxalliope, the position I provided is that this territory was an occupied subdivision of Yugoslavia, not Germany. I'll not say any more other than to again thank you for your guidance. Peacemaker67 (talk) 08:30, 5 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I disagree with that claim: nobody regarded Serbia as "subdivision of Yugoslavia", neither Germans or Yugoslav government in exile. For Germans, Yugoslavia was destroyed in 1941, and 3 new entities that they created (Croatia, Serbia and Montenegro) were seen by the Germans as 3 new countries, not as "subdivisions of Yugoslavia", while Yugoslav government in exile did not even recognized existence of these entities and certainly did not regarded them as "subdivisions". These entities were "de facto countries" or unrecognized countries, not subdivisions of Yugoslavia or of other countries. PANONIAN  09:21, 5 May 2012 (UTC)
 * This is WP:OR. Peacemaker67 (talk) 09:48, 5 May 2012 (UTC)
 * What exactly? PANONIAN  12:03, 5 May 2012 (UTC)
 * your claim that the Germans created Montenegro is just factually incorrect (it was created by the Italians, who convinced an assembly (of their choosing) to proclaim separation from Serbia, but which was immediately put under Italian military government when the uprising started and which remained so until the Italians themselves collapsed). Your claim re: the NDH is largely correct, the Germans engineered its creation and it was recognised by them and other Axis countries as a state, but your claim re: the Germans saw Serbia as a 'new country', and not just an occupied territory of what had been Yugoslavia before the invasion, is just straight out WP:OR. What is your source for the Germans seeing Serbia as a new country? A map? It would need to be a German one, surely. What about finding text on a WP:RS that says that? Peacemaker67 (talk) 12:21, 5 May 2012 (UTC)
 * To Panonian: I agree with Peacemaker. All of your claims of a radical nature need to be supported by a range of secondary sources. To Peacemaker: As for your deputy concern, the infobox was not intended to be an exhaustive list of all political figures. Only prominent prime ministers (in this case) should be shown, which is normally limited to the first and last ones. If you are still adamant on including a 6th prime minister, changes would have to be made to the actual infobox template. Xuxalliope (talk) 13:13, 5 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Xuxalliope, about which "claims of a radical nature" you speak? Please tell me to which of my claims you referring and I will provide sources for my claims. Also, is it possible that we create new infobox for "occupied territories" only? In that way, we would avoid dispute whether such territories were countries or subdivisions. PANONIAN  17:53, 5 May 2012 (UTC)
 * By the way, I did not said correct thing - I meant that 3 entities were created by the Axis Powers, not only by Germans (Montenegro was indeed created by the Italians). Regarding Serbia, there is notable number of sources that mentioning it as a "puppet state of Serbia", please see: . PANONIAN  18:30, 5 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Here is the exact quotation from the source: "Germany established the puppet state of Serbia". Or this one: "A puppet state of Serbia was created". Also: "a small puppet state of Serbia was established". PANONIAN  18:32, 5 May 2012 (UTC)
 * When I used the expression 'radical' I was referring to your claim being contrary to what was already in place. For your concern about occupied territories, I'm not yet convinced that such territories cannot be divided into sovereign states and subdivisions. As for its governing status, those sources seem legitimate. Mention them on the actual article's talk page so that its other editors can consider them. If discussion does turn out to arrive at it being a puppet state, I am in support of it having a former country infobox. Xuxalliope (talk) 11:21, 6 May 2012 (UTC)

Concerning the Sample Entries on the front page
Would there be a need to add the Portuguese, Spanish, and Dutch Empires onto the list? I noticed that none of these were level 3 vital articles (the Spanish one in particular, but that's another conversation) and wondered if I could add the Portuguese and Spanish and create the Iberian states, and with the Dutch Empire add it under the other section. Didn't want to make any edits before asking, and thanks for reading. LeftAire (talk) 17:34, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

May Revolution
There's a FAC open for the article May Revolution at Featured article candidates/May Revolution/archive5. All comments are welcomed. Cambalachero (talk) 00:41, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

Split proposal
I am informing members of related WikiProjects about split proposal.

FR Yugoslavia / Serbia and Montenegro

You are welcomed to give your opinion. Thank you. -- WhiteWriterspeaks 14:29, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

Discussion at Talk:Axis occupation of Vojvodina#RfC:Is this article subject notable, and if so, is it an acceptable fork of existing articles?
You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Axis occupation of Vojvodina. Peacemaker67 (talk) 10:18, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

Move request for "Territory of the Military Commander in Serbia" -> "German-occupied Serbia"
There is an ongoing discussion on moving "Territory of the Military Commander in Serbia" to "German-occupied Serbia". --Z oupan 23:24, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

Please see
I am informing you about one move request related to this project.


 * Requested move

If you are interested, it would be nice to participate, we need uninvolved editors. All best! -- WhiteWriterspeaks 19:44, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

Currency of the Roman Empire
There is currently a discussion at Talk:Roman_Empire about what should be designated the Roman Empirer's 'currency'. Input from others in this project would be appreciated. — Sowlos (talk) 00:21, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

Portal:Society at peer review
Portal:Society is now up for portal peer review, the review page is at Portal peer review/Society/archive1. I've put a bit of effort into this as part of a featured portal drive related to portals linked from the top-right corner of the Main Page, and feedback would be appreciated prior to featured portal candidacy. Thank you for your time, &mdash; Cirt (talk) 02:41, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

Rename to Carthaginian Empire
Ancient Carthage → Carthaginian Empire – Following the previous discussion in 2008, there was no consensus on renaming the article Ancient Carthage, though an alternative was made to make this article named Carthaginian Empire, in order to distinguish from Carthage city (existing both in ancient and modern times). Please vote your opinion on this at Talk:Ancient Carthage.Greyshark09 (talk) 22:54, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

We need outside opinions on Crown of Castile
RfC: Did the the Crown of Castile end in 1812 or in 1715? --Enric Naval (talk) --Enric Naval (talk) 11:50, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

Chola dynasty
Chola dynasty is nominated for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here.

Deletion of articles on heirs to thrones of annexed nations
Several requests to delete articles entitled "Line of succession to the former throne of X" (e.g. Württemberg, Tuscany, Two Sicilies) have recently been proposed for deletion from Wikipedia by Pat Gallacher. Although Wikipedians from various projects are being notified of these requests for removal, I think those who monitor this page may also appreciate being notified. FactStraight (talk) 03:34, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

Input sought at Roman Empire
At Roman Empire, we are seeking opinions about how to fill the "type of government" slot in the infobox. There is a proposal to label it an empire. Cynwolfe (talk) 13:30, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

RM at Talk:Communist Romania
This is to notify members that there is currently a WP:REQUESTED MOVE discussion taking place at Talk:Communist Romania. Input would be appreciated. Regards -- Director  ( talk )  19:16, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

Similar former subdivision templates
Hello, there are two similar templates: Template:Infobox former subdivision and Template:Infobox historic subdivision. When should I use them? And for former cities? There is a template used for former subdivisions, including cities, in the wikipedia in Spanish: es:Plantilla:Ficha de antigua entidad subnacional. Zorahia (talk) 22:52, 7 January 2013 (UTC)

FARClandia
There's not a single mention of this on Wikipedia, yet it has over 3000 Google hits. I brought it up here too: FunkMonk (talk) 13:12, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

RFC at Talk:History of Vojvodina
Your attention is drawn to Talk:History_of_Vojvodina. Regards, Peacemaker67 (send... over) 02:14, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

Talk:Isle de France
Is French Mauritius a "top-importance" article to your project? Talk:Isle de France says it is, which I find very strange. Also Talk:Dutch Mauritius -- 65.92.180.137 (talk) 08:44, 8 February 2013 (UTC)
 * How is either a "former country"? FunkMonk (talk) 08:54, 8 February 2013 (UTC)
 * They're former colonies? I've noticed many defunct colonies have the WPFC banner on them. I suppose this situation is analogous to extant colonies that are considered as "(non-sovereign) countries"? (until recently, Hong Kong and Macau were colonies, and they're still treated as "countries" in many contexts; the Danish colony of Greenland is a "country" in the constitution of Denmark. England/Wales/Scotland/NI are "countries" but not sovereign, which would be an analogous situation) -- 65.92.180.137 (talk) 12:31, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

Help Duchy of Brunswick-Lüneburg
If someone with knowledge take a look in the infobox of Duchy of Brunswick-Lüneburg I suspect that something is very wrong when the article got moved but not fixed, but it's so confusing that I could not fix it myself.Moagim (talk) 04:01, 11 February 2013 (UTC)

Categories for States and territories disestablished before 1000CE
I have proposed that 158 sub-categories of Category:States and territories by year of disestablishment should be upmerged. All these categories relate to disestablishment before 1000AD. I believe that they fall within the scope of this WikiProject.

The discussion is at Categories for discussion/Log/2013 February 13, wher your comments will be welcome.

Thank you. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 18:40, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

FAR
I have nominated Kingdom of Makuria for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Dana boomer (talk) 15:18, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

East Francia
Could someone please take a look to East Francia article? The article has been massively modified, merge attempts occurred and the Infobox former country which I find very appropriate was removed several times. Thanks.--Codrin.B (talk) 08:13, 2 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Those users have done a mess recently.Moagim (talk) 11:47, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

Merge discussion for Kingdom of Sardinia and Corsica
An article that you have been involved in editing, Kingdom of Sardinia and Corsica, has been proposed for a merge with another article. If you are interested in the merge discussion, please participate by going, and adding your comments on the discussion page. Thank you. Michael! (talk) 15:14, 6 April 2013 (UTC)

Manchukuo discussion
Here's a notice from Benlisquare about a topic which may interest people here:


 * It's currently being disputed whether Manchukuo was a puppet state or not. At the moment, I'm trying to compile a list of books and academic papers that refer to Manchukuo as a "puppet state". If anyone would like to help with expanding the list, please add a few more sources to the list at Talk:Manchukuo. Thanks. --  李博杰  &#124; —Talk contribs email 02:35, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

Please participate if interested. ··· 日本穣 ? · 投稿  · Talk to Nihonjoe ·  Join WP Japan ! 22:43, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

MPs of the Protectorate, 1654–1659
Comment would be welcome here on what category names should be used for the Members of Parliament who sat at Westminster during the Commonwealth of England, Scotland and Ireland in the 1650s. Thanks. Opera hat (talk) 20:32, 1 June 2013 (UTC)

Horrible Histories
Hi. We're having a discussion on the fate of Horrible Histories TV show at: Horrible Histories (2009 TV series). As a relevant Wikiproject, we would greatly appreciate it if you would voice your opinion on the talk page, or to have a crack at editing and improving it. Thankyou for your time. :)--Coin945 (talk) 13:22, 30 June 2013 (UTC)

Canaan - a former country?
I have recently been surprised to discover the use of Template:Infobox_former_country for a geographic region - specifically Canaan. From my understanding of the template and the associated wikiproject, we should only discuss geopolitical entities and not loosely defined geographic areas (Canaan was segmented by numerous small city states and periodically invaded by Egypt and other neighbors). I invite other editors to participate in this discussion of Canaan talk page.Greyshark09 (talk) 17:37, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

Sassanid Empire name
There is a move discussion on the Sassanid Empire talk page. Any interested editors are invited to comment and/or vote. --Constantine  ✍  08:29, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

Kingdom of Hungary (1000–1526)
Hi all. We have a user that doesn't understand the usage and purpose of the Infobox former country. He removed quite some significant content and navigation from the template at Kingdom of Hungary (1000–1526) and I was wondering if someone more experienced could review this. Thanks.--Codrin.B (talk) 08:03, 9 August 2013 (UTC)

Where should Siam redirect?
Where should the Siam page redirect? Please discuss at Talk:Siam. —  AjaxSmack  03:16, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

New Sasanian Empire Map!
I should have gone here on regards to this topic in the first place. I hope this is the right place to address this. Recently I have posted a new topic on the Sasanian Empire talk page on regards to the map in the infobox. (Side note: I feel embarrassed that I didn't come here for this in the first place after I was told by other users on the reference desk as well as an administrator to go to the WikiProject pages for situations like this.)

I made a request on the Map Workshop for the cartographers to make a new map of the Sasanian Empire in this format: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Chasaren.jpg. Further details about this topic are on the Sasanian Empire talk page. See here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Sasanian_Empire#Recommendations_to_Map_workshop_team

Would anyone like to contribute to the topic? You can either agree or disagree with the recommendations that have been proposed. Regards. :) Keeby101 (talk) 14:02, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

Template:Federal subjects of Yugoslavia
Members of this project are kindly invited to join in on the discussion at Template talk:Federal subjects of Yugoslavia, regarding the design and formatting of the template. Thank you.  Timbouctou ( talk ) 11:55, 11 September 2013 (UTC)

Proposed restrictions on styles & titles of former royals
Proposed restrictions on styles & titles of former royals A proposal is now pending to !vote to ban use of titles, honorifics and styles historically associated with titled members of no longer reigning families or to require that wherever such titles are mentioned in a Wikipedia bio, article or template that a disclaimer must be attached informing the reader that the title/style is not legal or is a courtesy title only. You may read opinions and express your views here. FactStraight (talk) 22:50, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

FAR Rus' Khaganate
I have initiated an FA review for the article, the review page is open for discussions on how to improve the article to bring it back to it's FA status, or for it to be reclassified. Chaosdruid (talk) 01:34, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

cfd
See my three CfDs related to Israel/Palestine historical cats at Categories for discussion/Log/2014 February 9. trespassers william (talk) 22:00, 10 February 2014 (UTC)


 * Followups
 * There are two CfDs right now relevant to Byzantine history:
 * Categories for discussion/Log/2014 April 1.
 * Categories for discussion/Log/2014 April 1.
 * I support both, the idea is to replace the use of modern or religious place names with the contemporary name "Byzantine Empire" or a part of which. Of course it is being opposed by religious or nationalistic indignants. trespassers william (talk) 20:42, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

Leaflet for Wikiproject Former Countries at Wikimania 2014
Hi all,

My name is Adi Khajuria and I am helping out with Wikimania 2014 in London.

One of our initiatives is to create leaflets to increase the discoverability of various wikimedia projects, and showcase the breadth of activity within wikimedia. Any kind of project can have a physical paper leaflet designed - for free - as a tool to help recruit new contributors. These leaflets will be printed at Wikimania 2014, and the designs can be re-used in the future at other events and locations.

This is particularly aimed at highlighting less discoverable but successful projects, e.g:

• Active Wikiprojects: Wikiproject Medicine, WikiProject Video Games, Wikiproject Film

• Tech projects/Tools, which may be looking for either users or developers.

• Less known major projects: Wikinews, Wikidata, Wikivoyage, etc.

• Wiki Loves Parliaments, Wiki Loves Monuments, Wiki Loves ____

• Wikimedia thematic organisations, Wikiwomen’s Collaborative, The Signpost The deadline for submissions is 1st July 2014 For more information or to sign up for one for your project, go to: Project leaflets Adikhajuria (talk) 10:39, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

West Germany and East Germany
Germanies, West and East have been requested to be renamed to their official names of FDR and GDR, see talk:West Germany for the discussion -- 65.94.171.126 (talk) 05:01, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

Government parameter in Template:Infobox country and Template:Infobox former country
— Preceding unsigned comment added by Trust Is All You Need (talk • contribs) 20:03, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

Discussion about icon use at Infobox former country
Please see a discussion relevant to this project I started at Template talk:Infobox former country Fut.Perf. ☼ 11:59, 28 September 2014 (UTC)

Comment on the WikiProject X proposal
Hello there! As you may already know, most WikiProjects here on Wikipedia struggle to stay active after they've been founded. I believe there is a lot of potential for WikiProjects to facilitate collaboration across subject areas, so I have submitted a grant proposal with the Wikimedia Foundation for the "WikiProject X" project. WikiProject X will study what makes WikiProjects succeed in retaining editors and then design a prototype WikiProject system that will recruit contributors to WikiProjects and help them run effectively. Please review the proposal here and leave feedback. If you have any questions, you can ask on the proposal page or leave a message on my talk page. Thank you for your time! (Also, sorry about the posting mistake earlier. If someone already moved my message to the talk page, feel free to remove this posting.) Harej (talk) 22:47, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

RFC on Gojoseon about the founding legends
Feel free to discuss it at its talkpage. --Cold Season (talk) 01:51, 5 December 2014 (UTC)

Request for comment
I'd appreciate feedback from members of this project on proposals at Talk:Reichskommissariat of Belgium and Northern France to replace a "former country" infobox with a "government agency" one. This potentially would affect all articles concerning occupied territories, not just of WWII, so would be good to get as many opinions as possible.—Brigade Piron (talk) 21:40, 5 December 2014 (UTC)

RfC on Goryeo about the description of the status
There's a discussion of the description/style/format of the status of Goryeo. Feedback from this project is badly needed as there's no instruction about "tributary state" on the template and related pages. Please join in the discussion. Thank you. Oda Mari (talk) 08:08, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

WikiProject X is live!


Hello everyone!

You may have received a message from me earlier asking you to comment on my WikiProject X proposal. The good news is that WikiProject X is now live! In our first phase, we are focusing on research. At this time, we are looking for people to share their experiences with WikiProjects: good, bad, or neutral. We are also looking for WikiProjects that may be interested in trying out new tools and layouts that will make participating easier and projects easier to maintain. If you or your WikiProject are interested, check us out! Note that this is an opt-in program; no WikiProject will be required to change anything against its wishes. Please let me know if you have any questions. Thank you!

Note: To receive additional notifications about WikiProject X on this talk page, please add this page to WikiProject X/Newsletter. Otherwise, this will be the last notification sent about WikiProject X.

Harej (talk) 16:57, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

Category:Kingdom of Italy (1861–1946)
Category:Kingdom of Italy (1861–1946) has been requested to be renamed, see Categories for discussion/Log/2015 May 19 -- 65.94.43.89 (talk) 05:28, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

Hephthalite Empire listed at Requested moves
A requested move discussion has been initiated for Hephthalite Empire to be moved to Hephthalites. This page is of interest to this WikiProject and interested members may want to participate in the discussion here. —RMCD bot 22:32, 28 May 2015 (UTC)

Interview for The Signpost
The WikiProject Report would like to focus on WikiProject Former countries for a Signpost article. This is an excellent opportunity to draw attention to your efforts and attract new members to the project. Would you be willing to participate in an interview? If so, here are the questions for the interview. Just add your response below each question and feel free to skip any questions that you don't feel comfortable answering. Multiple editors will have an opportunity to respond to the interview questions, so be sure to sign your answers. If you know anyone else who would like to participate in the interview, please share this with them. Thanks,  Rcsprinter123    (rap)  @ 15:35, 6 July 2015 (UTC)

Category:Recipients of the Southern Cross of Honor
Category:Recipients of the Southern Cross of Honor, which is within the scope of this WikiProject, has been nominated for deletion. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. RevelationDirect (talk) 18:46, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

RfC: Flag of Ryukyu
There is an RfC at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Japan concerning the Ryukyuan national flag.  ミーラー強斗武   (StG88ぬ会話) 00:45, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

AfC submission
Please see draft here and relevant comments here. Appreciated, FoCuSandLeArN (talk) 14:38, 9 May 2015 (UTC)

RFC on the end of France's colonial empire
Hi, I started an RFC on when should we said the French colonial empire ended. It's at Talk:French_colonial_empire. Please comment there if you can. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 04:01, 8 June 2015 (UTC)

Peer review: Kingdom of Hungary (1000-1301)
All comments, suggestions are welcome here. Thank you for your time. Borsoka (talk) 02:32, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

"(state)"
Does the disambiguator "(state)" have a special meaning to not mean "state" in general, if used in Chinese history articles? See Talk:Song (state) where we are discussing whether "state" does not mean any state, but only means non-Imperial states -- 70.51.202.183 (talk) 04:48, 14 June 2015 (UTC)


 * See also Talk:Liao (state) where we are discussing if "(state)" only applies to some states and not other states named "Liao" -- 70.51.203.69 (talk) 02:00, 22 June 2015 (UTC)

RfC at Talk:Joseon
There is currently an RfC at Talk:Joseon.  ミーラー強斗武   (StG88ぬ会話) 09:24, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

NPOV Dispute about Great Moravia
There is a dispute regarding minority views at Neutral_point_of_view/Noticeboard. Please view and leave a comment. Dr Crazy 102 (talk) 23:58, 3 September 2015 (UTC)

RfC: Sub-categories of Category:People by former country
Please see Wikipedia_talk:Categories_for_discussion.--Z oupan 08:20, 22 December 2015 (UTC)

RfC for requested page move of United Provinces of the River Plate
The renaming of this page has been discussed for some time, we would appreciate your involvement and voicing your input on the appropriate title for this article. Please see the discussion here. Tiggerjay (talk) 22:20, 22 December 2015 (UTC)

Tribes
Are extinct tribes to be tagged with the former country tag? Iazyges (talk) 21:04, 8 July 2016 (UTC)

Roman And Byzantine Military History
Hello I currently have a project known as the Roman and Byzantine military history page WikiProject Military history/Incubator/Roman and Byzantine Military History, I was wondering if any of you would like to join. Iazyges (talk) 19:34, 15 August 2016 (UTC)

Infobox change proposed
Please see a proposal for a change to Infobox former country, discussed at Template talk:Infobox former country. Fut.Perf. ☼ 08:57, 7 October 2016 (UTC)

Names in infobox
Hi,

Recently various IPs started adding all the names used during countries' existence despite all of that being covered in the prose and they keep edit warring with other users who revert their additions. So I would like to know how many names of the state should be listed in the infobox – the last one, the most common or all? – Sabbatino (talk) 10:14, 13 December 2016 (UTC)

Infobox
The former country infobox is currently being discussed for deletion at. Bertdrunk (talk) 12:49, 15 December 2016 (UTC)

Disambiguation links on pages tagged by this wikiproject
Wikipedia has many thousands of wikilinks which point to disambiguation pages. It would be useful to readers if these links directed them to the specific pages of interest, rather than making them search through a list. Members of WikiProject Disambiguation have been working on this and the total number is now below 20,000 for the first time. Some of these links require specialist knowledge of the topics concerned and therefore it would be great if you could help in your area of expertise.

A list of the relevant links on pages which fall within the remit of this wikiproject can be found at http://69.142.160.183/~dispenser/cgi-bin/topic_points.py?banner=WikiProject_Former_countries

Please take a few minutes to help make these more useful to our readers.&mdash; Rod talk 15:43, 3 December 2017 (UTC)

Please come and help...
Greetings! I have recently relisted for the third time a requested move debate at Talk:List of Sinhalese monarchs, regarding a page related to this WikiProject. Your opinion and rationale are needed so a consensus can be achieved. Thank you and Happy Publishing!  Paine Ellsworth   put'r there  19:50, 24 January 2018 (UTC)

CFD notice
Please see Categories_for_discussion/Log/2018_January_29 which may of interest to this project. Tim! (talk) 18:12, 5 February 2018 (UTC)

WikiProject collaboration notice from the Portals WikiProject
The reason I am contacting you is because there are one or more portals that fall under this subject, and the Portals WikiProject is currently undertaking a major drive to automate portals that may affect them.

Portals are being redesigned.

The new design features are being applied to existing portals.

At present, we are gearing up for a maintenance pass of portals in which the introduction section will be upgraded to no longer need a subpage. In place of static copied and pasted excerpts will be self-updating excerpts displayed through selective transclusion, using the template Transclude lead excerpt.

The discussion about this can be found here.

Maintainers of specific portals are encouraged to sign up as project members here, noting the portals they maintain, so that those portals are skipped by the maintenance pass. Currently, we are interested in upgrading neglected and abandoned portals. There will be opportunity for maintained portals to opt-in later, or the portal maintainers can handle upgrading (the portals they maintain) personally at any time.

Background
On April 8th, 2018, an RfC ("Request for comment") proposal was made to eliminate all portals and the portal namespace. On April 17th, the Portals WikiProject was rebooted to handle the revitalization of the portal system. On May 12th, the RfC was closed with the result to keep portals, by a margin of about 2 to 1 in favor of keeping portals.

There's an article in the current edition of the Signpost interviewing project members about the RfC and the Portals WikiProject.

Since the reboot, the Portals WikiProject has been busy building tools and components to upgrade portals.

So far, 84 editors have joined.

If you would like to keep abreast of what is happening with portals, see the newsletter archive.

If you have any questions about what is happening with portals or the Portals WikiProject, please post them on the WikiProject's talk page.

Thank you. &mdash; The Transhumanist  10:57, 31 May 2018 (UTC)

Requested move
Greetings! I have recently relisted a requested move discussion at Talk:Wu_(Ten_Kingdoms), regarding a page relating to this WikiProject. Discussion and opinions are invited. Thanks, &mdash; Frayæ (Talk/Spjall) 17:00, 11 July 2018 (UTC)

Republic of Ragusa
At, opinions are needed on the following matter: Talk:Republic of Ragusa. A permalink for it is here. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 19:40, 25 August 2018 (UTC)

Featured quality source review RFC
Editors in this WikiProject may be interested in the featured quality source review RFC that has been ongoing. It would change the featured article candidate process (FAC) so that source reviews would need to occur prior to any other reviews for FAC. Your comments are appreciated. --IznoRepeat (talk) 21:51, 11 November 2018 (UTC)

Infobox former subdivision nominated for merging
Please see this discussion. – Jonesey95 (talk) 10:02, 19 January 2019 (UTC)

RfC
Please comment at the RfC at Talk:United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland on whether the demonym Briton is appropriate for people from Ireland before 1922. DrKay (talk) 17:14, 15 March 2019 (UTC)

A new newsletter directory is out!
A new Newsletter directory has been created to replace the old, out-of-date one. If your WikiProject and its taskforces have newsletters (even inactive ones), or if you know of a missing newsletter (including from sister projects like WikiSpecies), please include it in the directory! The template can be a bit tricky, so if you need help, just post the newsletter on the template's talk page and someone will add it for you.
 * – Sent on behalf of Headbomb. 03:11, 11 April 2019 (UTC)

Nomination of Portal:Silesia for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether Portal:Silesia is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The page will be discussed at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Silesia until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the page during the discussion, including to improve the page to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the deletion notice from the top of the page. North America1000 06:14, 16 May 2019 (UTC)

Nomination of Portal:Republika Srpska for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether Portal:Republika Srpska is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The page will be discussed at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Republika Srpska until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the page during the discussion, including to improve the page to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the deletion notice from the top of the page. North America1000 01:04, 25 May 2019 (UTC)

RFC on changing scope of Constantinople article
Please see Talk:Constantinople, an RFC on whether to change the scope of Constantinople to 1930 instead of to before the Ottoman period. WhisperToMe (talk) 11:00, 12 July 2019 (UTC)

MfD nomination of Portal:Lusatia
Portal:Lusatia, a portal relevant to this project, has been nominated for deletion. Your opinions on the matter are welcome; you may participate in the discussion by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Lusatia and please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes ( ~ ). You are free to edit the content of Portal:Lusatia during the discussion but should not remove the miscellany for deletion template from the top of the page; such a removal will not end the deletion discussion. Thank you. Bermicourt (talk) 21:05, 28 July 2019 (UTC)

Seeking collaboration/assistance
Greetings to all,

Putting out this message out there to seek collaboration and/or any assistance any of you could offer with regards to two pages: Nawabs of Bengal and Murshidabad and the Bengal Sultanate. Aiming to better the quality of the former to satisfy the criteria of possible future FA nomination and the later to the quality required for a possible GA nomination. I had worked on the former and helped promote it to a GA in 2012, but given schedule with regards to school and personal life I do not see being able to work on these two alone.

Alternatively copying and pasting this on other relevant WikiProject discussions. Looking forward to your response. Thank you! -- Tamra vidhir  (talk!) 07:09, 8 August 2019 (UTC)

Discussion of interest
A discussion which may be of interest to members of this project can be found here. Beyond My Ken (talk) 06:36, 25 August 2019 (UTC)

Nomination of Portal:Pomerania for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether Portal:Pomerania is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The page will be discussed at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Pomerania until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the page during the discussion, including to improve the page to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the deletion notice from the top of the page. North America1000 20:28, 27 September 2019 (UTC)

Request for information on WP1.0 web tool
Hello and greetings from the maintainers of the WP 1.0 Bot! As you may or may not know, we are currently involved in an overhaul of the bot, in order to make it more modern and maintainable. As part of this process, we will be rewriting the web tool that is part of the project. You might have noticed this tool if you click through the links on the project assessment summary tables.

We'd like to collect information on how the current tool is used by....you! How do you yourself and the other maintainers of your project use the web tool? Which of its features do you need? How frequently do you use these features? And what features is the tool missing that would be useful to you? We have collected all of these questions at this Google form where you can leave your response. Walkerma (talk) 04:24, 27 October 2019 (UTC)

Locality categorization by historical subdivisions
Your input about the categorization of settlements is requested at Village pump (policy). Thank you, Renata (talk) 22:31, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

Category:History of Nyasaland has been nominated for merging to
Category:History of Nyasaland has been nominated for merging to. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Place Clichy (talk) 10:24, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

Category:Rulers of the Kingdom of Kongo has been nominated for merging to
Category:Rulers of the Kingdom of Kongo has been nominated for merging to. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Place Clichy (talk) 08:48, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

Make WikiProject Ottoman Empire a task force of Wikipedia:WikiProject Former countries?
Hi! I found that WikiProject Ottoman Empire states the project is defunct and suggests looking here. Why not make this a task force of former countries? Ottoman Empire can't easily be merged into Turkey as it included much more than that, and the empire also spanned many continents. Maybe this is the best place where it can go?

Thanks WhisperToMe (talk) 23:20, 3 April 2020 (UTC)


 * I can do the work to get this under the same banner template if need be; I've already converted some projects into taskforces this year for WP:NY, but first a consensus for the changeover would need to be established. In order to do that you should leave a note of the discussion here on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Ottoman Empire, Perhaps something along the lines of the following:Please comment at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject_Former_countries.A similar note should probably also be left at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Turkey (notably WikiProject Prussia has its banner supported by WikiProject Germany so its at least concievable they would be interested in the taskforce). That done I would ping active members of this project to this discussion to see if there's any opposition. If everyone agrees on the change you would also need to decide whether or not you want those pages to stay as they are, or be moved to be subpages of this WikiProject. Once everything's in order just ping me (or drop me a direct line on meta) and I'll work the task into my schedule. I'm not an everday editor so please be patient it may be a few weeks from request to implementation if I'm busy, thanks.  &#119980; &#120084;  01:08, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks! I went ahead and notified not only the Ottoman Empire and Turkey project but also those of various other countries and regions. WhisperToMe (talk) 02:11, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Thought you gentlemen might be interested in this. - LouisAragon (talk) 07:55, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
 * That is a good idea. It would be necessary to have a cross-reference from the WikiProject Turkey pages and talk page banner, because many of the Ottoman articles are tagged with it, and because of the obvious affinities between the two (many of the Ottoman articles have been and will be written by our Turkish fellow editors either way). For the same reason, it might be a good idea to move WikiProject Greece/Byzantine world task force under the auspices of WikiProject Former Countries, while retaining a cross-reference from the WikiProject Greece pages and talk page banner.
 * At the risk of expanding this discussion too much, I was also thinking about task forces on the early caliphates (Rashidun-Umayyad-Abbasid-Fatimid) either individually or collectively, and on the Republic of Venice (covered now under the Italian states TF, but given its extensive empire overseas, it really should have something of its own). Constantine  ✍  08:21, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Task forces on the early caliphates would be a great idea. One for the Sasanian Empire, the Achaemenid Empire, the Russian Empire and the Safavid Empire would be beneficial too IMHO (amongst others). What do you guys think? As for the Ottoman Empire, I agree with WhisperToMe's proposal and Constantine's suggestion. - LouisAragon (talk) 11:37, 27 June 2020 (UTC)

Notes on implementation
Just letting you know I saw the invites you left on other WikiProjects; thanks for going above and beyond to give more notifications. I think it best to leave this open for 30 days to give everyone a large window to participate; if at that point (17 JUL) there is a consensus in favor we can start going forward with the merger, I may start sandbox work a bit before that if there are no objections. This will also allow some additional time for more ideas to develop here so we can implement them as well.  &#119980; &#120084;  23:11, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm totally fine with that! WhisperToMe (talk) 23:14, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Thought I'd let everyone know the proposed change is now at Template:WikiProject Former countries/sandbox so you should have a few days to look it over. The taskforce order is alphabetical; the ottoman taskforce image is just the flag to remain consistent with existing practice. As formatted this is assuming that no page moves are planned (movement to subpages during a project merge is optional), however it's not difficult to make the changes necessary if everyone prefers to move them instead.If you have any questions feel free to ask, and of course it's not necessary to make all changes at once as we can always add additional features later.  &#119980; &#120084;  23:43, 12 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Looks fine to me! WhisperToMe (talk) 23:52, 12 July 2020 (UTC)

As a quick update, the change to Template:WikiProject Former countries is now complete, and I have requested the necessary bot run needed prior to merging Template:WikiProject Ottoman Empire to it. I'll keep everyone posted once that's all been done.  &#119980; &#120084;  22:33, 26 July 2020 (UTC)
 * From a template perspective we are now at ✅ and Template:WikiProject Ottoman Empire is now a wrapper for Template:WikiProject Former countries with no remaining transclusions . Much of the credit here goes to for doing all the neccesary bot runs.The next decision point is whether to move any pages. It's not a requirmenent and was not done with WikiProject Prussia however the other taskforces are on subpages; so if there's consensus for that I can set everything up.Otherwise all that is left is post-merge cleanup like redirecting redundant subpages and setting yes on WikiProject status, but I don't think you'll need my help for any of that.On a related note if you want to add additional taskforces either here or for a differrent WikiProject or just need something done for WPBannerMeta in general somewhere and don't mind potentially waiting a few weeks from request to implementation just hit me with a ping or drop me a direct line on meta and I'll see what I can do.I may be around again this weekend, but I also have a fair amount of IRL stuff to do so please allow for some delay in any replies, thanks.   &#119980;  &#120084;  21:10, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the update. Great work. In relation to my previous comment: would you be able to create/add additional taskforces? - LouisAragon (talk) 02:22, 8 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Absolutely, you can see for example Template:WikiProject Medicine or Template:WikiProject India which are both supporting numerous task forces. As a practical matter I tend to think that a smaller number of broader task forces are often preferable to a larger number of niche task forces, but that's just for the purposes of facilitating discussion among a larger number of interested parties. From a technical perspective I am fully capable of adding however many task forces the WikiProject wants as long as there is consensus for the addition. Given the vagaries of my schedule however, it's probably best that any requests be time-insensitive. So like I said earlier just hit me with a ping whenever there's a consensus (or minimally a lack of objections) and I'll get to work.  &#119980;  &#120084;  00:02, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

Spelling of Kyiv
There’s a broad conversation about using different spellings of Kyiv in article titles in certain subjects, at talk:Kyiv. This may affect some guidelines. Fyunck(click) (talk) 20:32, 22 September 2020 (UTC)

Category:Iranian empires has been nominated for merging to
Category:Iranian empires has been nominated for merging to. A discussion is taking place to decide whether this proposal complies with the categorization guidelines. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the categories for discussion page. Thank you. Place Clichy (talk) 15:11, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

British Empire Feature Article Review
I have nominated British Empire for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Quality posts here (talk) 19:22, 24 October 2020 (UTC)

RFC on whether Ottoman capital city should be referred to as "Constantinople" or "Istanbul"
Please see this request for comment on whether Ottoman capital city should be referred to as "Constantinople" or "Istanbul": Talk:History_of_Istanbul WhisperToMe (talk) 15:05, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

Question about the scope of Category:Armenian emigrants to the United States
On Category talk:Armenian emigrants to the United States there is a question on whether "Armenian emigrants to the United States" should refer to people from the modern polity of Armenia (1918-today) or whether it should include ethnic Armenians of other citizenships (including the Ottoman Empire and the Russian Empire) WhisperToMe (talk) 06:26, 18 December 2020 (UTC)

WikiProject Colonialism
Hello! I am looking into reviving WikiProject Colonialism and am wondering if anyone here has any interest in participating. I honestly am not very familiar with the administrative side of Wikipedia or in the details of WikiProjects (and all the templates and policies that go along with them...) but I would like to help improve articles related to colonialism, empire, and decolonization on Wikipedia. Behemothing (talk) 19:38, 8 March 2021 (UTC)

FAR for Vijayanagara Empire
I have nominated Vijayanagara Empire for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Izno (talk) 02:12, 17 April 2021 (UTC)

Discussion
Members of this Project may be interested in this discussion. Beyond My Ken (talk) 07:04, 22 April 2021 (UTC)

Talk:Spanish Empire
There is disagreement over at Talk:Spanish Empire about whether referring to the Spanish empire as a colonial empire in the WP:LEAD is appropriate. Further input would be appreciated. TompaDompa (talk) 20:11, 24 May 2021 (UTC)

AfD for Kingdom of Vietnam
The Kingdom of Vietnam article was put up for AfD, which can be found here. The article seems to be a "revisionist copy of Nguyen dynasty", as the nominator put it. I was hoping some others at this project can both shine a light and help comb through the sources. Curbon7 (talk) 07:59, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

Discussion at Talk:British Empire § Omissions/systemic bias
You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:British Empire § Omissions/systemic bias. Jr8825 •  Talk  12:43, 6 August 2021 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Hasmonean dynasty
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Hasmonean dynasty that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. — Shibboleth ink  (♔ ♕) 12:40, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

Rhodesian mission in Lisbon Featured article review
I have nominated Rhodesian mission in Lisbon for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Sandy Georgia (Talk)  03:40, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan (1996–2001)
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan (1996–2001) that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Megan B....  It’s all coming to me till the end of time  19:43, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:German occupation of Czechoslovakia
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:German occupation of Czechoslovakia that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. 🐶 EpicPupper (he/him &#124; talk) 03:54, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

Inclusion of more former countries in Descendant WikiProjects
I notice WPs like Soviet Union listed there, is this because it was created with effort of this WikiProject? Why isn't WP:Yugoslavia listed here? I think it could use some more exposure from related WikiProjects. -Vipz (talk) 17:26, 24 April 2022 (UTC)

User script to detect unreliable sources
I have (with the help of others) made a small user script to detect and highlight various links to unreliable sources and predatory journals. Some of you may already be familiar with it, given it is currently the 39th most imported script on Wikipedia. The idea is that it takes something like and turns it into something like
 * John Smith "Article of things" Deprecated.com. Accessed 2020-02-14.
 * John Smith "Article of things" Deprecated.com. Accessed 2020-02-14.

It will work on a variety of links, including those from cite web, cite journal and doi.

The script is mostly based on WP:RSPSOURCES, WP:NPPSG and WP:CITEWATCH and a good dose of common sense. I'm always expanding coverage and tweaking the script's logic, so general feedback and suggestions to expand coverage to other unreliable sources are always welcomed.

Do note that this is not a script to be mindlessly used, and several caveats apply. Details and instructions are available at User:Headbomb/unreliable. Questions, comments and requests can be made at User talk:Headbomb/unreliable.

- &#32; Headbomb {t · c · p · b}

This is a one time notice and can't be unsubscribed from. Delivered by: MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 16:01, 29 April 2022 (UTC)

Hoysala Empire Featured article review
I have nominated Hoysala Empire for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Sandy Georgia (Talk)  02:42, 6 August 2022 (UTC)

FAR for Inner German border
User:Buidhe has nominated Inner German border for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets the featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" in regards to the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 10:09, 7 January 2023 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Gujarat under the Mughal Empire
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Gujarat under the Mughal Empire that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject.  ❯❯❯  Raydann  (Talk)   06:20, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

Project-independent quality assessments
Quality assessments by Wikipedia editors rate articles in terms of completeness, organization, prose quality, sourcing, etc. Most wikiprojects follow the general guidelines at Content assessment, but some have specialized assessment guidelines. A recent Village pump proposal was approved and has been implemented to add a class parameter to WikiProject banner shell, which can display a general quality assessment for an article, and to let project banner templates "inherit" this assessment.

No action is required if your wikiproject follows the standard assessment approach. Over time, quality assessments will be migrated up to WikiProject banner shell, and your project banner will automatically "inherit" any changes to the general assessments for the purpose of assigning categories.

However, if your project has decided to "opt out" and follow a non-standard quality assessment approach, all you have to do is modify your wikiproject banner template to pass WPBannerMeta a new custom parameter. If this is done, changes to the general quality assessment will be ignored, and your project-level assessment will be displayed and used to create categories, as at present. Aymatth2 (talk) 20:22, 10 April 2023 (UTC)

Discussion at Talk:Overthrow of the Hawaiian Kingdom § Treaty of Reciprocity
You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Overthrow of the Hawaiian Kingdom § Treaty of Reciprocity. Peaceray (talk) 18:57, 10 June 2023 (UTC)

List of rulers of Provence has an RFC
List of rulers of Provence has an RFC for possible consensus. A discussion is taking place. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments on the |discussion page. Thank you. –LaundryPizza03 ( d c̄ ) 19:20, 23 July 2023 (UTC)

An RfC of interest
An RfC of possible interest to this WikiProject can be found here.

Beyond My Ken (talk) 17:56, 31 July 2023 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Princess Frederica of Prussia (1796–1850)
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Princess Frederica of Prussia (1796–1850) that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. UtherSRG (talk) 16:06, 19 September 2023 (UTC)

Needed-class
Hello project members! Note that per WP:PIQA, all the class ratings are being harmonised across different WikiProjects so we are looking to remove any non-standard classes like Needed-class from your banner. If Needed-class is removed, then most of the pages in Category:Needed-Class former country articles will go into Category:Redirect-Class former country articles. You may like to keep track of needed articles in a different way, perhaps with a parameter yes which would then populate a category &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 08:27, 12 October 2023 (UTC)


 * Needed-class has been removed and the banner has been converted to use the standard quality scale &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 09:49, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Turkish-Georgian war
Turkish-Georgian war has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at Talk:Turkish-Georgian war.Annwfwn (talk) 22:53, 27 October 2023 (UTC)

B-checklist in project template
You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Council § Determining the future of B-class checklists. &#x0020;This project is being notified since it is one of the 82 WikiProjects that opted-in to support B-checklists (B1-B6) in your project banner. DFlhb (talk) 11:43, 30 October 2023 (UTC)

Byzantine Empire Featured article review
I have nominated Byzantine Empire for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets the featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" in regards to the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 22:05, 30 October 2023 (UTC)

Request for input on post-Yugoslav-breakup election article naming
We had a discussion relisted at Talk:May 1992 Yugoslavian parliamentary election that could benefit from the input of people who have knowledge of this topic area, please check it out. --Joy (talk) 09:12, 13 November 2023 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Kingdom of Great Britain
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Kingdom of Great Britain that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Polyamorph (talk) 08:41, 2 January 2024 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Qajar Iran
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Qajar Iran that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 19:17, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Safavid Iran
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Safavid Iran that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 19:21, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Early Cholas
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Early Cholas that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 19:24, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Hoysala Empire
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Hoysala Empire that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 19:26, 7 January 2024 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Hildegard of the Vinzgau
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Hildegard of the Vinzgau that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 09:51, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Empire of Great Fulo
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Empire of Great Fulo that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 23:26, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

Good article reassessment for Achaemenid Assyria
Achaemenid Assyria has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. &#126;~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 21:54, 21 February 2024 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Rashtrakuta dynasty
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Rashtrakuta dynasty that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 15:54, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Lusitania
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Lusitania that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. RodRabelo7 (talk) 18:41, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

FAR for unification of Germany
User:Buidhe has nominated Unification of Germany for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets the featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" in regards to the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 17:26, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:Otto II, Holy Roman Emperor
There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Otto II, Holy Roman Emperor that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Векочел (talk) 14:45, 16 March 2024 (UTC)

Good article reassessment for Kaunas Fortress
Kaunas Fortress has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 04:09, 16 April 2024 (UTC)