Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Oregon/Archive 28

Ancient Order of United Workmen Temple
Ancient Order of United Workmen Temple is in the process of being demolished. If anyone is nearby and willing to take photographs of the building during demolition, would be great to have those images at Commons for future references and use. Thanks! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 17:34, 25 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Have a pic for the page. Poorly framed, the camera had a very short life- this is the first and last photo, ever, from it. tedder (talk) 02:45, 3 September 2017 (UTC)
 * I got some, too. Mine are all from street level, and they're probably not any better than the one Tedder got with his short-lived camera, but I've added three to the Commons category and one to the article. SJ Morg (talk) 12:05, 4 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much! I have a couple to add, too. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 17:57, 4 September 2017 (UTC)

Recruit new editors for the project?
Hi, just wonder if there is any template or program in the project to recruit newcomers or new editors to join the project? Bobo.03 (talk) 22:27, 11 July 2017 (UTC)


 * Yes. See this page. Jsayre64   (talk)  05:26, 13 July 2017 (UTC)


 * Wow, there is lots of stuff. Thank you! I wonder how does WPO usually recruit and welcome new editors? I am a PhD student at the University of Minnesota. We are planning on a study to help projects recruit new editors to contribute. I am not sure if this is something WPO would be interested. More detail can be found here. Bobo.03 (talk) 14:44, 13 July 2017 (UTC)


 * Usually our new editors are already interested in Oregon topics, and either they stumble across this project page and add their name, or they get an invitation from a project member who noticed their interest in Oregon. In 2010 I was already interested, came across the project page after members found my edits, and added my name. I then got two welcome messages, and I've been involved on and off since. Jsayre64   (talk)  20:00, 13 July 2017 (UTC)

You might browse the following links to get a sense of the meetups that are held in Portland, and sometimes other Oregon cities: Category:Wikipedia meetups in Portland, Oregon, Template:Meetups in Portland, Oregon, Meetup/Portland, Category:Wikipedia meetups in Eugene, Oregon. I will say, though, most of the meetups I attend in Portland are for thematic campaigns like Art+Feminism (super popular in PDX!), Wiki Loves Pride, the arts, etc. These tend to attract people interested in the content itself and looking to fill content gaps, not necessarily in editing Wikipedia regularly, or focusing on Oregon-related content. There are a handful of regular event attendees, but few of them edit Wikipedia outside these meetups, and I've only met a couple regular WP Oregon editors in real life. These campaign events are, I suppose, an attempt to recruit project/WikiProject participation, but that's not their primary purpose (at least not for me -- I just want to give an overview of how Wikipedia works and get them to give editing a shot). I hope this helps. I'd say WikiProject Oregon-specific outreach is mostly in the form of members posting talk page invites when editors are spotted working on Oregon articles. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 20:39, 13 July 2017 (UTC)

Hi, , following the previous discussion, I made a set of recommendations (it might contain some blocked editors who I will remove later). You'll notice that they are split between new editors and experienced editors. What do you think?

Bobo.03 (talk) 20:32, 26 July 2017 (UTC)
 * This does, indeed, seem helpful for identifying potential project members. Now, I'll be really impressed when we get a monthly report and the option to invite editors to the project with the click of a button. :) --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 23:52, 26 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Great to know that you like what we have done! Speaking of that do you like the semi-automated approach, like you said, a single button to generate an invitation to a candidate? A full automated approach, for instance, the system inviting the most suitable candidates each month or week? Or even would you prefer to manage the invitation process totally manually? Other ideas? Bobo.03 (talk) 04:54, 27 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Abit of automagical thinking, yes? Cheers! — Grand&#39;mere Eugene (talk) 00:30, 27 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Yes, we are making it happen! Bobo.03 (talk) 04:54, 27 July 2017 (UTC)

Hi,, and other members in the project! We have our system ready, and we can start recommending editors to your project now. We'd like to invite some of project organizers to our study. Participants will receive two batches of recommendations. If you think the recommended editors are good candidates for your project, we'd like you to invite them to the project. We also made some improvements in our system based on your feedback, including adding a semi-auto template to invite the editor. Please let me know if you'd be interested in participating, add your WikiProject and username to the table on my user talk page. Thanks! Bobo.03 (talk) 17:21, 28 August 2017 (UTC)
 * I often feel stretched thin on Wikipedia, so if there is someone else who is willing to take this on, I'd appreciate their assistance. However, I am curious about this test, so if no one else offers to help, please ping me and I will sign up. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 18:10, 28 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Sounds good. Thank you! Bobo.03 (talk) 18:14, 28 August 2017 (UTC)
 * Hi, I think I definitely need your help for our study, as I haven't heard from anyone else from the project yet.. It would be great if we can invite maybe one more participant for our study from WPOregon. :) Thank you. Bobo.03 (talk) 23:05, 5 September 2017 (UTC)
 * OK, I added my name to the table. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 15:14, 6 September 2017 (UTC)

Oregon State Capitol vs. State Capitol State Park
I wonder if there should be separate articles for Oregon State Capitol and State Capitol State Park? I hesitate making any changes to the former article because of its Featured status. Also, there are now several articles related to the grounds, including: Breyman Fountain, Covered Wagon, Lewis and Clark, Liberty Bell, Oregon Pioneer, Oregon Veterans Medal of Honor Memorial, Parade of Animals, Sprague Fountain, The Circuit Rider, Waite Fountain and Walk of Flags. Maybe we should have a navigation template and/or category to group these? --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 19:49, 2 September 2017 (UTC)

Images
✅ The newly-created Breyman Fountain article has an illustration, but could use a more contemporary photograph, if anyone has the ability to snap a picture of this fountain. Thanks! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 20:26, 1 September 2017 (UTC)
 * 4 pictures here, unedited. Need some brief editing and picking/inclusion into the article. commons:Category:Breyman Fountain. tedder (talk) 20:58, 6 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Wonderful, thank you so much! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 21:05, 6 September 2017 (UTC)

❌ Also looking for an image of the Fallen Worker Memorial. Not sure if File:Oregon Transportation Building April 2009 (3466679688).jpg shows the memorial, Or another image in commons:Category:State Capitol State Park (Oregon)? --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 01:02, 2 September 2017 (UTC)

✅ Also, Oregon Veterans Medal of Honor Memorial. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 08:16, 2 September 2017 (UTC)
 * I see User:MB298 uploaded File:Oregon Veterans Memorial.JPG. Thanks! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 19:09, 2 September 2017 (UTC)

✅ Waite Fountain. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 19:33, 2 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Aboutmovies. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 02:49, 5 September 2017 (UTC)

Carousel found
See Jantzen Beach Carousel Location. Cheers! Grand&#39;mere Eugene (talk) 00:49, 9 September 2017 (UTC)
 * --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 02:28, 9 September 2017 (UTC)

Afd: Onward Oregon
Articles for deletion/Onward Oregon. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 17:03, 5 October 2017 (UTC)

Movie Madness Video
I can't believe there wasn't already an article about Movie Madness Video. I created a quick stub for future expansion, but I can't find an image at Commons for illustrative purposes, so I'm hoping someone can snap a photo next time they are in the area. Thanks! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 15:45, 11 October 2017 (UTC)
 * ✅ I'll get to it this week for sure. It's walking distance. tedder (talk) 16:26, 11 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Awesome, thanks! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 16:45, 11 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Done. I forgot until I was out on the street, so it's not the greatest photo. I want to get another one (or several) in better weather conditions. tedder (talk) 21:30, 11 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks so much! I don't go here often, but I'll try to take some interior pictures next time. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 21:35, 11 October 2017 (UTC)

Chinatown, Salem
I'm not familiar enough with Salem to know if any of the images at Commons could be used to illustrate the newly-created Chinatown, Salem, Oregon article. Maybe someone else here can help? --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 00:48, 10 October 2017 (UTC)
 * If Salem’s Chinatown was located between Ferry, Liberty, State, and High streets, then this image shows that area. I’m not sure this would be a good image to illustrate Salem’s historic Chinatown since it doesn’t look like any of the building shown date back to 1890s.  Image is looking down State St toward High St (you can see Methodist Church several blocks farther down State St) with the State/Liberty intersection directly behind the photographer.  FYI, GPS location on this image is off by several blocks, but image is definitely State St between Liberty and High. I check this against street cam to be sure.--Orygun (talk) 05:53, 11 October 2017 (UTC)
 * This is very helpful, thank you, but I do wonder if it does a good job of illustrating Chinatown. Maybe I'll search for an historic image soon. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 15:14, 11 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Agree, it's not very good image to illustrate historic area. Good luck with your search.--Orygun (talk) 07:24, 13 October 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 14:28, 13 October 2017 (UTC)

Wildfires
I went ahead and created stubs for Chetco Bar Fire and Eagle Creek Fire. The Category:Wildfires in Oregon category is sparsely populated, so I welcome help identifying other notable wildfires with missing Wikipedia articles. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 14:28, 5 September 2017 (UTC)
 * FYI. I just finished article on the Cinder Butte Fire and will probably upload it this Friday.  Have one on Milli Fire in the works, but that fire is still active so it will be few more weeks before it's ready to go.--Orygun (talk) 05:02, 7 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Just uploaded article on Milli Fire near Sisters. I included very good Forest Service video about the Milli Fire at the end in the “External links” section.--Orygun (talk) 01:54, 16 October 2017 (UTC)

Eugene Youth Symphony article deleted
Deletion of the Eugene Youth Symphony article prompted me to request it to be restored as a draft in my userspace, at User:Grand'mere Eugene/Eugene Youth Symphony. For the next 6 weeks I will not be able to research it in Eugene to find offline sources, but I invite anyone interested to contribute to its development. Cheers! --Grand&#39;mere Eugene (talk) 14:33, 16 October 2017 (UTC)

Milli Fire

 * Request review of Milli Fire article.  It is new article, but title was previously used as Redirect page so it was not picked up by Wiki-Oregon new article bot.  Thanks!--Orygun (talk) 05:32, 18 October 2017 (UTC)

Upcoming Wikipedia edit-a-thon dedicated to artists of color - Thursday, Oct. 26 at PNCA
On Thursday, October 26, a Wikipedia edit-a-thon dedicated to artists of color will be held from 4–8pm at the Pacific Northwest College of Art (511 NW Broadway). Learn more at Facebook. Hope to see you there! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 18:23, 21 October 2017 (UTC)

Peacock Lane
Congrats to Peacock Lane for being designated a historic district by the National Register of Historic Places! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 00:51, 7 November 2017 (UTC)

Disambiguation links on pages tagged by this wikiproject
Wikipedia has many thousands of wikilinks which point to disambiguation pages. It would be useful to readers if these links directed them to the specific pages of interest, rather than making them search through a list. Members of WikiProject Disambiguation have been working on this and the total number is now below 20,000 for the first time. Some of these links require specialist knowledge of the topics concerned and therefore it would be great if you could help in your area of expertise.

A list of the relevant links on pages which fall within the remit of this wikiproject can be found at http://69.142.160.183/~dispenser/cgi-bin/topic_points.py?banner=WikiProject_Oregon

Please take a few minutes to help make these more useful to our readers.&mdash; Rod talk 17:47, 3 December 2017 (UTC)
 * ✅. I'm pretty sure I got them all. – Jonesey95 (talk) 19:15, 3 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 19:18, 3 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the quick work.&mdash; Rod talk 19:43, 3 December 2017 (UTC)

Oregon Psilocybin Society
FYI, Draft:Oregon Psilocybin Society has been created for expansion. Thanks! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 00:02, 8 December 2017 (UTC)

Native American legislators
Tawna Sanchez is the second Native American state legislator in Oregon, per source http://news.streetroots.org/2016/09/08/tawna-sanchez-bring-new-perspective-salem, but who is the first? I can't seem to find anything. MB298 (talk) 02:55, 15 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Looks like Jackie Taylor (politician) needs an article! Here are some places to start:
 * https://archive.org/stream/hownikan_29.08/hownikan_29.08_djvu.txt
 * http://www.blueoregon.com/2016/05/will-portland-elect-oregons-first-native-american-lawmaker/
 * Google ["Jackie Taylor" oregon legislature]
 * https://www.indianz.com/News/2008/009829.asp
 * http://tdn.com/news/former-oregon-state-rep-jackie-taylor-dies-at/article_11b0b273-d11a-57ab-bcea-5cbfe3cfacdd.html
 * https://www.facebook.com/NAYAPDX/photos/a.286299354777771.66149.124028947671480/1041955815878784/?type=3&theater
 * http://oregonwinpac.com/ourhistory.htm
 * https://www.jstor.org/stable/20614466
 * Taylor was definitely Native American. I haven't seen any of these articles state that she was definitively the first Native American elected to state office, but I didn't read them thoroughly. And as for Sanchez being the second, keep in mind that the author of that interview wrote in the (still uncorrected headline of the) blueoregon article above that she would be the first, so I don't think that reporter is necessarily reliable. There is a red link to Taylor's article in Betsy Johnson (politician). – Jonesey95 (talk) 04:12, 15 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Stub created! I create articles so rarely that I forget how much fun it is. – Jonesey95 (talk) 04:37, 15 December 2017 (UTC)
 * --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 04:49, 15 December 2017 (UTC)
 * This source says Jacqueline Taylor was the first Native American woman in the legislature--have there been any Native American men in the Oregon legislature? Grand&#39;mere Eugene (talk) 04:55, 15 December 2017 (UTC)

Overlook Restaurant
Eater PDX called the soon-to-be-defunct restaurant a "Greek staple on Skidmore (and member of the 'Portland restaurants with their own Wikipedia page' club)..." --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 02:09, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

Richard Devlin and Ted Ferrioli
I know Ted Ferrioli resigned Dec. 31, but what about Richard Devlin? The Oregon Senate website doesn't list either (the districts don't even show up) but I can't find any sources that give a specific date for Devlin's resignation. MB298 (talk) 03:35, 3 January 2018 (UTC)
 * news article on Devlin. I wasn't able to find an announcement. I saw one source that said something like "expected on or before January 1", but that was before any official announcement. We might just have to wait a couple of days for a mention in the news. – Jonesey95 (talk) 03:51, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

Image request: House of Louie
If you find yourself in Chinatown in the near future, we could use a photograph or two for the defunct House of Louie, before the building is flipped or demolished. Thanks! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 15:46, 3 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Thank you! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 21:06, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

Three Sisters on the Main Page
Three of our state's icons are live on A1. Congrats to, , and others who contributed bringing the Three Sisters article to featured status, and cheers to all of us once again for good press. Jsayre64 (talk) 04:41, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Thank you, and congrats to you to for helping. What does live on A1 mean?  ceran  thor 04:46, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
 * (A1 as though it were a newspaper) Jsayre64 (talk) 04:51, 6 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Congrats, and thanks to all who worked on this article! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 17:31, 6 January 2018 (UTC)

Missing articles: National Register of Historic Places listings in Northeast Portland, Oregon
Not surprisingly, National Register of Historic Places listings in Northeast Portland, Oregon has the most redlinks of Portland's NRHP lists. I've created a list of missing articles below, if any project members are interested in creating new stubs to help reduce this gap. Thanks!


 * Alco Apartments
 * Frederick Armbruster Cottage
 * George W. and Hetty A. Bowers House
 * F. E. Bowman Apartments
 * H. C. Keck House – Mount Olivet Parsonage
 * George W. and Hannah Martin – John B. and Minnie Hosford House
 * Northwest Fence and Wire Works
 * Northwestern Electric Company – Alberta Substation
 * Olsen and Weygandt Building
 * Parkview Apartments (Portland, Oregon)
 * Pearson Mortuary
 * Pipes Family House
 * Thomas Prince House
 * Roome–Stearns House
 * Alfred C. and Nettie Ruby House
 * Rutherford House (Portland, Oregon)
 * Salerno Apartments
 * Senate Court Apartments
 * Seufert House
 * Fred A., May, and Ann Shogren House
 * Spies–Robinson House
 * Thompson Court Apartments
 * Fred Tunturi House
 * Frederick Turner Fourplex
 * Lewis and Elizabeth Van Vleet House
 * Charles Looff 20-Sweep Menagerie Carousel
 * Trinity Lutheran Church and School

--- Another Believer ( Talk ) 01:26, 11 January 2018 (UTC)

Memorial Fountain
Does anyone know if Memorial Fountain still exists? --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 16:20, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
 * I'm not in Portland and haven't been to the Rose Quarter in forever, but the lat/long coordinates listed in the infobox match up with a turquoise/blue patch visible in that spot from the Google Maps satellite view of the area, which in turn matches the description of the fountain in the article. So assuming nothing's changed since the last satellite image, I presume yes.  --Finngall talk  16:45, 10 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Good point. I've lived in PDX nearly a decade now, and I have yet to visit Memorial Coliseum. I'll try to snap a photograph next time I'm in the area, unless someone cares to beat me to the punch. Thanks! --- Another Believer  ( Talk ) 01:28, 11 January 2018 (UTC)

People's Bike Library of Portland
User:Bri and I are working to "complete" the People's Bike Library of Portland, before co-nominating for Good article status. We've raised a question on the article's talk page (see "Infobox image" section) re: whether or not the bicycles are actually used and replaced. Are there any editors here who are more familiar with how this sculpture may or may not also function as an actual bike rack? Of course, all editors are welcome to help make further article improvements. Thanks! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 20:56, 22 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Update/request: The article has been promoted to Good status. If someone is able to replace the current infobox image with one of better quality, that'd be wonderful! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 00:22, 21 January 2018 (UTC)

Reliable sources?
and other interested Oregon editors: Here's a quandary on reliability of sources. IP contributors have changed two facts in the LaVerne Krause article repeatedly. There are sources cited in the article for both her date of death (Eugene Register-Guard says Wednesday, which would have been May 6, 1987) and her husband's first name, "Labrecht" spelled with an initial "a" (Oral History Interview).

However, on Ancestry.com, this morning I found an index of her death certificate showing May 5 as the date of death:

Name:	Laverne Krause

Age:	62

Birth Date:	21 Jul 1924

Death Date:	5 May 1987

Death Place:	Lane

Certificate:	87-08959

One of the problems using records from Ancestry is that most of the original images are indexed by volunteers who frequently make mistakes. (It must be REALLY boring work!) I myself must have submitted several hundred corrections to Ancestry.com on indices involving my own ancestors' records. So regarding the date of her death, is it more likely the reporter for the Register-Guard erred, or the indexer for Ancestry.com erred? Without seeing a copy of the death certificate, I couldn't say for sure, but a death certificate is the more official record, in my opinion.

As for the spelling of her husband's first name, also on Ancestry.com, there are 10 U.S. Marine Corps Muster Rolls from 1943-1945 indexed as "LeBrecht G. Krause" serving from 29 January 1943 when he enlisted in Portland with rank of Private to January 1945 when he held rank of Corporal. However, although Ancestry.com has indexed these records under the spelling "Lebrecht" with an initial "e", most of the actual images of the muster rolls are overexposed to the extent it is not possible to tell whether his name is spelled with an "a" or and "e". On the few legible muster roll images, his name is spelled with an "e". I think it more likely the transcriber of the interview erred.

I'd appreciate advice from other obsessives... Cheers! Grand&#39;mere Eugene (talk) 20:03, 29 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Newspapers are the first draft of history, but the article was printed on May 7 and it said that she died "yesterday", which would be May 6. So either she died on May 6, or the reporter got bad information (which does happen). I reverted the most recent change to the article because the change was unsourced. If I were in this quandary, I would add the ancestry.com source and the Marine Corps records as references, then add two notes explaining that sources differ on the date of death and the spelling of the husband's name. Link to the conflicting sources from each note. Readers can then do further research if they so choose. – Jonesey95 (talk) 21:05, 29 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks, ! I added 2 notes, which may be overly-loquacious--could use another pair of eyes to review. Cheers! Grand&#39;mere Eugene (talk) 01:04, 30 January 2018 (UTC)
 * You did great. – Jonesey95 (talk) 02:43, 30 January 2018 (UTC)

Draft article for 2017 Portland train attack memorial
Too soon to create in the main space, but project members are welcome to assist with a draft article about the planned memorial for the 2017 Portland train attack at Draft:2017 Portland train attack memorial. 20:59, 4 February 2018 (UTC)

Floating Figure, Portland Art Museum
I'm pretty sure Floating Figure is displayed outside the Portland Art Museum, or has been in the past, but I'm struggling to find sourcing to confirm. If you happen to walk by the museum, mind helping to confirm? --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 21:06, 24 February 2018 (UTC)


 * It certainly is, though the museum itself irritatingly doesn't list it anywhere on their website. Here's its Yelp page but I don't know if that's a good enough source to cite in the article. https://www.yelp.com/biz/floating-figure-portland Skeletor420 (talk) 21:21, 24 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks for confirming. Yeah, I've triple checked and I am surprised the sculpture is not listed as part of PAM's collection on their website. Perhaps the work is on loan, and they don't list temporary works on their website? Not sure, but either way, thanks again for confirming. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 21:24, 24 February 2018 (UTC)

Oregon Measure 101 (2018)
It's on my to do list, but if anyone's willing to take it up... MB298 (talk) 04:51, 24 January 2018 (UTC)
 * I created a sub-stub to get the ball rolling and so this doesn't slip between the cracks. Thanks! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 03:13, 27 February 2018 (UTC)

Proposed deletions
Aubrey Watzek Library and John R. Howard Hall have been proposed for deletion. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 02:01, 1 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Ditto Northwest Writing Institute. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 03:42, 1 March 2018 (UTC)

Wikipedia Edit-a-Thon: Jewish Women Artists (March 8)
On March 8 (International Women's Day), and as part of the Art+Feminism project, Shoshana Gugenheim and the Oregon Jewish Museum and Center for Holocaust Education will be hosting a Wikipedia edit-a-thon to create and improve articles about Jewish women artists. Click here for more information. You can also express interest or suggest article to create or improve here. I'll be attending to help beginner editors contribute to Wikipedia, and could use some backup support, if any locals are interested in helping out. Or, come create a new article or participate remotely! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 19:29, 17 February 2018 (UTC)
 * *bump*, in case you're interested in attending to create/improve content, or even help new editors learn how to contribute to Wikipedia. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 02:54, 8 March 2018 (UTC)

Portland streets
And now, another list of redlinks. I've created 1st Avenue, 2nd Avenue, and 3rd Avenue, and identified some streets that may qualify for articles:


 * 4th Avenue (Portland, Oregon), 5th Avenue (Portland, Oregon), 6th Avenue (Portland, Oregon), Park Avenue (Portland, Oregon), 10th Avenue (Portland, Oregon), 11th Avenue (Portland, Oregon), 12th Avenue (Portland, Oregon), 13th Avenue (Portland, Oregon)
 * Ankeny Street (Portland, Oregon), Ash Street (Portland, Oregon), Pine Street (Portland, Oregon), Oak Street (Portland, Oregon), Stark Street (Portland, Oregon), Washington Street (Portland, Oregon), Alder Street (Portland, Oregon), Morrison Street (Portland, Oregon), Belmont Street (Portland, Oregon), Yamhill Street (Portland, Oregon), Taylor Street (Portland, Oregon), Salmon Street (Portland, Oregon), Main Street (Portland, Oregon), Madison Street (Portland, Oregon)

Keep in mind, many streets have north and south, or east and west counterparts, covering multiple sections of the city. All help is welcome (especially from transit enthusiasts), otherwise I'll chip away at these lists over time. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 01:40, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Speaking as one of WikiProject Oregon's most active editors of transit-related content: Sorry, but you'll get no help from me in adding transit info. to such articles, because I actually support Wikipedia's notability standards.  I don't believe any of those proposed entries meet the standard for a standalone article, and as far as I can tell, you have made no effort to establish notability – per WP:GNG – in the text of the three you already created. At least the editor who created Broadway (Portland, Oregon) (some years ago) did that, although they cited no source, and I had to add one myself. SJ Morg (talk) 11:34, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Ok! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 16:11, 11 January 2018 (UTC)
 * Very much agree with . Here is a street that might, with enough research, be found to meet the notability standard: Front Street in Portland, Oregon.png Or, maybe it could be incorporated into a section of Harbor Drive. If you wish to document small details like this, I would suggest adding entries to Wikidata; on Wikipedia they just become clutter, making it more difficult for readers to find (e.g.) the streets that have actually received coverage in their own right. -Pete Forsyth (talk) 06:13, 13 January 2018 (UTC)

The 1st, 2nd, and 3rd Avenue articles have been nominated for deletion. Also, I've created List of streets in Portland, Oregon. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 22:10, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

Nordstrom in PDX
Do project members think the Nordstrom in downtown Portland is notable enough for a standalone article? I noticed Draft:Nordstrom Building (Seattle) is a work in progress, but don't really know the history of Portland's building. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 04:49, 29 March 2018 (UTC)
 * I would say no. The Seattle building (built in 1918) was the flagship store of the Frederick & Nelson chain for seven decades, then became (and currently remains) the flagship store and national headquarters of Nordstrom, and lastly is a designated (city of) Seattle Landmark.  No such distinctions (or Portland equivalent) apply to Portland's Nordstrom store, and the building is relatively young (built 1978). SJ Morg (talk) 08:00, 29 March 2018 (UTC)

Episcopal Church of the Good Samaritan
Do project members agree with this edit? --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 18:25, 30 March 2018 (UTC)
 * It appears there are 3 separate subjects… active church, art center, and NRHP building. I don’t think every church and art center is notable, but NRHP buildings always qualify as notable.  I’ve done number of articles on NRHP buildings.  Many have new uses, but those uses can change over time (i.e. art center could become something else in future).  NRHP titles don't change with building tenants.  For that reason, I recommend using article title that matches NRHP name with internal text about how building is currently being used.  If active church and/or art center are notable, then they should have their own stand-alone articles...with text about historic building as appropriate.  At least that's my thoughts.--Orygun (talk) 19:51, 1 April 2018 (UTC)
 * I admit, I've not done a notability search on the active church, but sourcing in the current Episcopal Church of the Good Samaritan is weak, no? --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 02:22, 2 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Personally, I think separate articles are needed … one for sure titled "Episcopal Church of the Good Samaritan" for NRHP building, using NRHP infobox at top. If church and/or art center are notable in their own right, article on active church titled "Episcopal Church of the Good Samaritan (Corvallis, Oregon)" with church infobox would be appropriate; plus third article titled "Corvallis Arts Center" using museum or organization infobox at top.--Orygun (talk) 19:36, 2 April 2018 (UTC)

FYI, Art+Feminism editathon at the University of Oregon in April 13
In case you're interested: Thanks! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 21:57, 5 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Meetup/Eugene/Art+Feminism 2018

Oaks Park Roller Skating Rink
I went to the Oaks Park Roller Skating Rink for the first time last night, and had a freaking blast! Had to create a stub... --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 00:41, 18 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Nice! I'm going to be there on Saturday to watch some roller derby. Thanks for the article. – Jonesey95 (talk) 03:44, 18 April 2018 (UTC)

New Oregon userbox templates
New Oregon userbox templates are now available at Template:User WP Oregon and Template:User WP United States. Let me know if you have any suggestions. Yours aye, Buaidh  talk contribs 23:05, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

March for Our Lives Portland AfD notice
An AfD discussion related to March for Our Lives Portland has been created. []. Springee (talk) 23:16, 18 April 2018 (UTC)

... and again...
Articles for deletion/March for Our Lives Portland (2nd nomination). --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 22:13, 27 April 2018 (UTC)

Lists of public art
Feel free to add to the lists:
 * List of public art in Beaverton, Oregon
 * List of public art in Lake Oswego, Oregon

Thanks! (And expect lists for Gresham, Hillsboro, Oregon City, Tigard, and Tualatin soon.) --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 17:06, 28 April 2018 (UTC)

City Liquidators
Someone stuck a 'speedy delete' template on my City Liquidators stub, if a project member feels inclined to remove. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 23:04, 4 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 23:55, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

Template:Architecture in Portland, Oregon
I've nominated Template:Architecture in Portland, Oregon for deletion, and invite project members to contribute to the discussion. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 05:03, 15 May 2018 (UTC)
 * For the record, you also should have noted here that you deleted almost all content from that navigation box just before nominating it for deletion. This is what it looked like 24 hours ago. SJ Morg (talk) 05:24, 15 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Yup, thanks! And once it even looked like this. Yikes... --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 14:16, 15 May 2018 (UTC)

Coordinates and pushpin map needed
New article, Jane Sanders Stadium, could use coordinates and pushpin map, please? Cheers! Grand&#39;mere Eugene (talk) 05:42, 15 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Added the coordinates. A pushpin map isn't really necessary unless it's down at city level.  Sounder Bruce  06:43, 15 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Many thanks to, , and for their contributions! — Grand&#39;mere Eugene (talk) 16:54, 15 May 2018 (UTC)

"Skyscrapers"
The skyscraper article defines a "skyscraper" as a "continuously habitable high-rise building that has over 40 floors and is taller than approximately 150 m (492 ft). Historically, the term first referred to buildings with 10 to 20 floors in 1880s." Should Category:Skyscrapers in Oregon really only include buildings with 40+ floors, or do we factor the year(s) of construction into the equation? Editors with experience working on architecture/building/skyscraper articles might want to take a look at the category entries. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 14:42, 14 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Also pinging you, in case you're familiar with when to use this category/term. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 14:42, 14 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Generally, the cutoff for tallest buildings lists is 400 ft, though smaller cities may use 250 ft, which should be reflected by the category. On Commons, the term "high-rise building" is used instead to avoid confusion over the definition of a "skyscraper", which varies depending on who you ask. The Portland list seems to follow the 250 ft definition perfectly well, so I don't think a change is necessary.  Sounder Bruce `
 * Thanks, Bruce. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 21:28, 14 May 2018 (UTC)
 * This looks like a nice little rabbit hole for someone to go down. We have, which contains the 46-meter Capitol Center in Salem and the 47-meter Lincoln Center in Tigard. Meanwhile, the category , says that buildings need to be 50 meters or taller to count as skyscrapers. A subcategory of that one contains Roosevelt Hotel (Portland, Oregon), which looks like it is only 8 stories.
 * It appears that only nine buildings in Oregon are taller than 100 meters, the definition used by Emporis. Eugene and Salem do not have any over 250 feet. – Jonesey95 (talk) 04:23, 15 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Although I don't have enough interest or time to get involved in this discussion, I just wanted to note that I have removed the Roosevelt Hotel from that cat, as it is clearly not a skyscraper. SJ Morg (talk) 06:27, 15 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 15:26, 17 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 15:26, 17 May 2018 (UTC)

Oregon City
So, I visited Oregon City for the first time recently. I created a gallery of photographs, if you're curious to help identify local sites (those w/o captions). I'll be working to create subcategories at commons:Category:Buildings in Oregon City, Oregon and stubs for National Register of Historic Places here at Wikipedia, but would very much welcome participation by other project members, especially those who are more familiar with the city than me. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 05:21, 24 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the uploads . I recently visited Oregon City for the first (substantial) time too, it's a nice looking town. I've recently found some good old pictures, and uploaded them as well, e.g. in Eva Emery Dye's contribution to a Gaston history: wikisource:en:Portland, Oregon: Its History and Builders/Volume 1/Chapter 33 -Pete Forsyth (talk) 19:34, 17 May 2018 (UTC)

PDX building stubs
I know some folks aren't big fans of stubs, but I've cranked some out real quick if any project members care to help flesh out:


 * Bank of America Center (Portland, Oregon)
 * Civic Tower (Portland, Oregon)
 * Hyatt Regency Portland
 * Liberty Centre
 * Medical Dental Building (Portland, Oregon)
 * Metropolitan Condos
 * One Pacific Square
 * Pacific First Center
 * Portland Marriott City Center
 * The Diane
 * The Westerly
 * Vista Pearl

Thanks! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 15:50, 16 May 2018 (UTC)

Also, some buildings possibly needing stubs: --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 15:52, 16 May 2018 (UTC)
 * https://www.emporis.com/buildings/265083/the-encore-portland-or-usa
 * https://www.emporis.com/buildings/196011/the-louisa-portland-or-usa
 * https://www.emporis.com/buildings/281024/cyan-portland-or-usa
 * https://www.emporis.com/buildings/122626/portland-marriott-downtown-portland-or-usa
 * https://www.emporis.com/buildings/230057/at-t-building-portland-or-usa
 * https://www.emporis.com/buildings/122632/fifth-avenue-suites-hotel-portland-or-usa


 * A good rule of thumb is that buildings under 250 ft (for a mid-size metro like Portland; the limit in Seattle is 400 feet, and in NYC it's 500 feet) need an independent reason to earn their own article (e.g. NRHP, local historic designation, connection to notable events). Most of these seem like run of the mill mid-rise buildings that probably shouldn't have their own articles.  Sounder Bruce  22:29, 16 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I'll try to follow up with some additional sourcing soon. I know the Hyatt Regency has received a lot of coverage, and the Medical Dental Building has a collection of busts displayed that have received coverage as architectural sculpture. Good to know re: 250ft. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 22:35, 16 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Emporis refs by themselves aren't the best foundation for an article. Since it's a user-generated database, I'm wary of using it for information beyond easily verifiable basics, like heights and floor counts (but those can also be obscured through marketing).  Sounder Bruce  22:43, 16 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Noted. Emporis was at least helpful in providing a list of PDX's tallest buildings and a category of other high-rises. I'm not sure how Emporis defines "high-rise", but the color cording for complete vs under construction vs cancelled projects was nice. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 22:48, 16 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Sigh. Why don't you (Another Believer) "flesh these out" yourself, in user space before creating? And establish notability in the article before creating. In my opinion, most of these are not notable, and this sort of (almost-) 'every building and every restaurant deserves its own article' thinking dilutes the value of Wikipedia. "Not a fan of stubs" is an understatement of my view when it comes to WP entries (these are not "articles") that consist of one or two sentences and do not establish notability. I realize Wikipedia has lots of inclusionists, but I just wanted to put in my two cents for the opposing side. SJ Morg (talk) 09:03, 17 May 2018 (UTC)
 * I hear you, and I'm simply extending an invite. If you're not interested, that's fine. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 15:09, 17 May 2018 (UTC)
 * , I agree with what others have said here. It's not simply a matter of not being interested. When I visit WT:ORE, I like to think I'll find discussions where several people are interested in the same thing. It seems to me that there are now years' worth of posts from you of creating stubs on topics that are either clearly non-notable, or whole collections of stubs that might be marginally notable, but nothing in the stub you've created suggests why they might be notable. It seems to me these posts are a distraction from our effort to work together in this WikiProject, and result in unnecessary contention. There are projects, like Wikidata and Portland Wiki, that would surely welcome your additions of trivia. But it seems to me that this is not one of them. One thing I would welcome from you would be a post describing why you feel it is valuable to create stubs like this. At this point, I am not too hopeful you'd convince me, but it would at least be interesting to read the views of a fellow project member, and perhaps some worthwhile discussion would result. -Pete Forsyth (talk) 19:26, 17 May 2018 (UTC)
 * I'd like to acknowledge your comment, but I don't feel compelled to explain my contributions other than to simply say that I create stubs when I believe I've identified missing articles. If you and/or others feel I'm a distraction, or being unproductive, then I'll try to share less and keep to myself more. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 04:20, 18 May 2018 (UTC)
 * As a many-year member of the project, you bring plenty of worthwhile and interesting stuff to this talk page. I hope you'll continue to do so long into the future. I do think it might be worthwhile to reconsider posting about collections of stubs with little chance of expansion. It seems to me they usually bring little response, beyond (sometimes) the kind you've seen here. I am genuinely interested in your reasoning behind making them, and how you see them improving the quality of Oregon-related content; in my view that's a highly relevant sort of thing to discuss on this page, but obviously don't feel compelled on my account. -Pete Forsyth (talk) 17:08, 18 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Here's an example of how posting about a stub can lead to its development into a reasonably long article: On 17 April 2018, AB posted here about a stub for Oaks Park Roller Skating Rink. Subsequently, other editors have expanded that article nicely. Here's another example (Chetco Bar Fire) of expansion that occurred after AB posted here. I agree that some stubs may have "little chance of expansion", as says above, but many do have potential. – Jonesey95 (talk) 20:29, 18 May 2018 (UTC)

With regard to the issue of lack of notability for several of these buildings, what about the idea of possibly creating a list of high-rise buildings article? Killiondude (talk) 04:23, 18 May 2018 (UTC)
 * We have List of tallest buildings in Portland, Oregon, a FL. I don't work a whole lot on building articles, but certainly expanding that to include anything on the "edges" of notability would seem to be an improvement. -Pete Forsyth (talk) 17:08, 18 May 2018 (UTC)
 * I'd only recommend adding content if compliant and consistent with other Featured lists of tallest buildings. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 18:13, 18 May 2018 (UTC)

March for Our Lives Portland
I'm working on a draft article for the March for Our Lives Portland event, if any project members want to help. I welcome copy edits, expansions, or resource sharing on the talk page. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 15:02, 27 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Update: The draft has been moved into the main space, and has been edited quite a few times by IP and COI editors. Help is appreciated. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 00:11, 29 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks for creating and photographing. MB298 (talk) 00:19, 29 March 2018 (UTC)
 * For sure! I enjoy documenting local culture and history, and certainly helps when I'm also interested in supporting select demonstrations. I still need to finish Women's March on Portland. (I'm looking for someone to help out, if anyone out there is interested!) --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 00:22, 29 March 2018 (UTC)
 * I've invited 2 editors to the article talk page to discuss proposed changes. If they bite, I hope other project members stop by to help explain how they can contribute constructively. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 00:25, 29 March 2018 (UTC)

Someone contacted me off-wiki to ask if the students' ages could also be removed for privacy purposes. Certainly privacy is more important than a Wikipedia article, but is including someone's age really a privacy violation? Again, I invite project members to come weigh in on some of the talk page discussions. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 18:14, 30 March 2018 (UTC)

I've nominated March for Our Lives Portland for Good article status, if any project members are interested in making any last minute improvements or following along. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 02:46, 10 April 2018 (UTC)

Regarding ages: I can't speak directly to the comment you received, but in general, it's a good idea to avoid publishing photos or names of minors, unless you have explicit (and ideally, documented) permission from their parents/guardians. U.S. law gives you pretty wide latitude, but there's also a great potential for affecting people's lives in ways that are difficult to predict. Principles like this are not very well nailed down in the Wikimedia world (or on the Internet at large), but still worth considering. You might take a look at commons:COM:IDENT and this legal guide, but they tend to focus more on what's legally permissible than on what's ethically acceptable. You can often mitigate potential harm by publishing less info; for instance, if you publish a photo, leaving the name out, or using only wide-frame shots that contain a number of people, or using only first names. -Pete Forsyth (talk) 19:45, 17 May 2018 (UTC)
 * The article was just promoted to Good status, and I'm just now reading your comment. If you have any specific suggestions for the article, I welcome them on the talk page, otherwise I feel okay including names because they are already published in multiple reliable sources. I don't believe I've included any information not immediately accessible via Google search. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 18:19, 18 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Congrats on the GA! I agree, widespread reporting of names in source publications is definitely a good justification for publishing them here. -Pete Forsyth (talk) 00:13, 19 May 2018 (UTC)

Marylhurst University and Lake Oswego images
OK, I know I just said I'd try to share less, but given plans for Marylhurst University to close, I visited the campus today and uploaded nearly 200 photographs to commons:User:Another Believer/Marylhurst University. Before, there were just a dozen or so images in the parent category commons:Category:Marylhurst University (+1 subcategory for 2012 Northwest Handmade Musical Instrument Exhibit‎), but I created 16 new subcategories for organizational purposes.

I feel pretty good about my subject identification and categorization, since I returned from my trip just a few hours ago, but if any project members are familiar with the campus, feel free to take a quick peek at the gallery to see if I've tagged anything incorrectly. There are still around 25 images remaining in the parent category, if anyone can further subcategorize. Thanks! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 02:48, 20 May 2018 (UTC)


 * Excellent and useful collection of photos, and great topic for a post. Thank you. I wasn't aware of The Art Gym, just took a whack at expanding the article a little -- seems to be (one of?) the primary venue(s) for PNW visual artists. -Pete Forsyth (talk) 20:51, 20 May 2018 (UTC)

Also, I uploaded some images of Lake Oswego to commons:User:Another Believer/Lake Oswego, Oregon / commons:Category:Lake Oswego, Oregon. Some of the images should probably be moved into commons:Category:George Rogers Park, but I wasn't sure of the park's exact boundaries. On Google Maps, the park ends at Furnace Street, but there is park signage beyond the furnace, along the waterfront... Again, project members are invited to help categorize appropriately.

Thanks! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 15:53, 21 May 2018 (UTC)

Coordinates
Does someone mind fixing the coordinates for Paulina Creek Falls? Google Maps sends me far away from Oregon. And can someone confirm if the falls are in or near Newberry National Volcanic Monument? The article says near, but the falls article appears in Category:Newberry National Volcanic Monument.

Speaking of coordinates, there are currently 164 entries in Category:Oregon articles missing geocoordinate data. I'm not sure I've added coordinates to articles before (just maps), so Im going to review these instructions and see if I can reduce this backlog. Quite a few of these sites are easily identifiable by Google searches. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 16:37, 27 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Well, I tried adding coordinates to Atwater Place and Shoen Library, but I'm not quite sure I did so correctly. Close. I may need to leave this to the experts, lol. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 17:10, 27 May 2018 (UTC)
 * The Paulina Falls coordinate was only half correct; generally, coordinates in the 40s N and 120s W are in the right range for the Northwest. Anything else has to be a mistake.  Sounder Bruce  18:49, 27 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Thank you. If someone else gets a chance to review the Atwater Place and Shoen Library coordinates, great, otherwise I will remove my attempts to add coords and put them back in the backlog. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 18:50, 27 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Paulina Creek Falls is in Newberry National Volcanic Monument which is surrounded and managed by the Deschutes National Forest. See map here.--Orygun (talk) 03:33, 28 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Seems the article has been updated. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 03:38, 28 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes, that was me...I just forgot to log-in.--Orygun (talk) 19:57, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

, you almost had it. Generally, you want to put "display=title" in the coord template. That will put a clickable coord link at the top right of the article. If the article has an infobox that supports the coordinates parameter (which should be pretty much any infobox for something with a location), put the coord template in that parameter, as you have probably done in the past for artworks.

I find that the best way to get coordinates (in my experience) is to go to Google Maps satellite view, click with a long mouse click on the location in question, and then click on the coordinates that appear at the bottom of the screen. Those coordinates will then appear in a sidebar on the left, where you can copy and paste them into the coord template (replacing the comma with a vertical bar). – Jonesey95 (talk) 02:17, 29 May 2018 (UTC)

WikiProject collaboration notice from the Portals WikiProject
The reason I am contacting you is because there are one or more portals that fall under this subject, and the Portals WikiProject is currently undertaking a major drive to automate portals that may affect them.

Portals are being redesigned.

The new design features are being applied to existing portals.

At present, we are gearing up for a maintenance pass of portals in which the introduction section will be upgraded to no longer need a subpage. In place of static copied and pasted excerpts will be self-updating excerpts displayed through selective transclusion, using the template Transclude lead excerpt.

The discussion about this can be found here.

Maintainers of specific portals are encouraged to sign up as project members here, noting the portals they maintain, so that those portals are skipped by the maintenance pass. Currently, we are interested in upgrading neglected and abandoned portals. There will be opportunity for maintained portals to opt-in later, or the portal maintainers can handle upgrading (the portals they maintain) personally at any time.

Background
On April 8th, 2018, an RfC ("Request for comment") proposal was made to eliminate all portals and the portal namespace. On April 17th, the Portals WikiProject was rebooted to handle the revitalization of the portal system. On May 12th, the RfC was closed with the result to keep portals, by a margin of about 2 to 1 in favor of keeping portals.

There's an article in the current edition of the Signpost interviewing project members about the RfC and the Portals WikiProject.

Since the reboot, the Portals WikiProject has been busy building tools and components to upgrade portals.

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Thank you. &mdash; The Transhumanist  07:50, 30 May 2018 (UTC)

Memorial Day @ Wilhelm's Portland Memorial Funeral Home
Just once a year, on Memorial Day, the Wilhelm's Portland Memorial Funeral Home opens all doors to the public. I've been meaning to tour this complex for years, and I finally remembered to go this past weekend. If you've never been, I strongly recommend putting this on your calendar for next year. Simply put, this place is amazing. I spent almost 2 hours exploring 8 floors of labyrinthine halls and appreciating beautiful architecture, sculptures, and stained-glass windows. The grounds also have several memorials and gardens, as well as views of the Portland Memorial Mausoleum Mural. I'll share a link to my gallery, once I've uploaded photographs, but I just wanted to put this on folks' radar. I highly recommend a visit. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 15:34, 30 May 2018 (UTC)

Rajneeshees, Martha Washington apartments


After watching the netflix docu on the Rajneeshees and then watching this B-roll from KGW that OHS put up, did a little bit of triangulation and realized it's this building at 11th and Main, the Martha Washington apartments/hotel/Rajneeshee building. (also is the hotel that was bombed; linked modern OL article)

I've rolled past this building on the streetcar enough to recognize it. Looks like OHS has written up a thing on it, and here's an O article with a quick blurb. The B-roll also shows that the Guardian Angels were picketing. Putting here in case anyone else is interested in article creation.

Grew up with Rajneeshees and Mt. St. Helens in the recent past but just outside of what I remember experiencing. That made the Netflix docu really interesting. tedder (talk) 05:05, 24 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Oooh, fascinating. I've been watching the doc series, too. I think Wikipedia could benefit from an article. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 05:09, 24 April 2018 (UTC)

Speaking of the doc series, check out WP Oregon's popular pages report. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 03:08, 8 May 2018 (UTC)

I was about to create Martha Washington Hotel (Portland, Oregon), but came across Campbell Court Hotel after reading the NRHP registration form. Much more work is needed here, and this would certainly be a fascinating article to flesh out, but does this initial edit seem correct and can you confirm this is the building you had in mind? --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 05:03, 30 May 2018 (UTC)
 * iiiiinteresting. Definitely the same building. If you see the red car towards the left in our article, that's the entrance shown in the OHS/KGW b-roll and in the docu. I spent so much time watching b-roll and unearthing those old articles that I thought I'd written up an article on 'Martha'. tedder (talk) 05:40, 30 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Seems many have not made this connection. Articles like Rajneesh movement and Rajneeshpuram mention the hotel in passing, but don't link to Campbell Court Hotel. Most buildings on the NRHP use the NRHP-designated title, but I'm wondering if "Campbell Court Hotel" is actually the best article title. More research is needed to determine the building's most common name based on secondary coverage. Pinging you in case you're aware of any rules re: NRHP article titles. I'll try to tackle this at some point, and add links to existing articles. --- Another Believer  ( Talk ) 15:14, 30 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi. Sorry for the delay responding. WP:NRHP can be kind of fussy that the name used in Infobox NRHP and in the NRHP city/county lists (e.g. here) match up to the name used in the official NRHP listing. But when it comes to article titles, WP:NRHP defers to WP:COMMONNAME. More often than not, the common name is the NRHP name, but in cases of conflict we go with the common name. If your research turns up that "Martha Washington Hotel" or "Hotel Rajneesh" is a better name, then go with that for the article name but use "Campbell Court Hotel" in the NRHP infobox. &mdash; Ipoellet (talk) 19:53, 6 June 2018 (UTC)

Zorba the Buddha Nightclub & Restaurant
TBD: Is there enough coverage for a standalone article about Portland's Zorba the Buddha Nightclub & Restaurant? [http://www.wweek.com/news/2018/04/03/a-look-at-where-five-of-the-key-people-and-places-in-the-rajneesh-cult-saga-are-now/ I'm struggling to find the source now, but I thought I had read that the nightclub was in the Hotel Rajneesh building. This source] says the nightclub was located on the site of Southpark Seafood. This article says the club was located at 10th and Pine. This one uses the intersection "Southwest Ninth Avenue and Salmon Street (Southpark Seafood's current location)". --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 15:21, 30 May 2018 (UTC)
 * SW Pine does not intersect 10th; it stops at Broadway. SE Pine does intersect 10th, however. YBG (talk) 23:05, 6 June 2018 (UTC)

Possible "South Portland" designation
Well, this could be interesting. More from February. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 03:19, 31 May 2018 (UTC)
 * TLDR: twice, the O explains the "fifth quadrant" joke. tedder (talk) 05:36, 31 May 2018 (UTC)
 * I went ahead and created South Portland, Oregon, since City Council approved the new address system. We have some time to make adjustments here, since implementation won't start until mid 2020, but we might want to create a project subpage to outline and discuss which articles will need to be updated. If we can determine which articles are affected, and get assistance from appropriate projects (WP:NRHP comes to mind), we should be able to iron out the kinks quickly. I think organizing an effort to tackle this together would be a lot better than letting things linger and get updated over time. Project members have any ideas or concerns? Maybe we could start compiling notes and tasks at WikiProject Oregon/South Portland? --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 05:16, 7 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Some time ago, I wrote up these notes for a potential Portland address system article. Finding WP:RS will involve extended reading in the archives of The O and other bird cage liners. My now outdated outline of notes is all WP:OR, but I think it might be helpful.
 * The 5 quadrants and how numbers increase
 * Suburban areas that use the same system
 * Washington county's slight difference (5 blocks off because of using Baseline/Stark instead of Burnside)
 * Suburban areas that use their own system (making holes in the grid)
 * South Portland use of initial '0' like a negative sign
 * Historical numbering systems
 * Adoption of grid in Portland
 * Change of addresses, e.g., 23 North 45th East → 23 NE 45th
 * Renumbering of numbered streets
 * Reassignment of numbers
 * Absorption/Annexation
 * Adoption of grid outside the city of Portland (e.g., Beaverton sometime in the late 1960s, I believe)
 * YBG (talk) 05:40, 7 June 2018 (UTC)
 * I'd support creation of an article about the city's address system and its evolution over time. I also wonder if having articles about each sextant would be helpful: North Portland, Oregon, Northeast Portland, Oregon, Northwest Portland, Oregon, South Portland, Oregon, Southeast Portland, Oregon, and Southwest Portland, Oregon. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 14:56, 7 June 2018 (UTC)

Whitman Saved Oregon...or did he?
Hey history buffs,

In my work over at Wikisource, I've learned of a major controversy about the founding of Oregon, that had previously escaped my notice. It seems that much of our content on Wikipedia, especially the Marcus Whitman bio, reflects little awareness of it, and it seems like something worth a bit of attention.

In brief, the question is, Did Marcus Whitman "save" Oregon to the United States, via advocacy to the Tyler Administration in 1842? (For a slightly more thorough version of the question, see Marshall's "three important questions" from his 1904 essay).

This question ignited the pages of newspapers from the Oregonian to the San Francisco Call from the mid-1880s through the early 1900s. Angry letters sent back and forth among advocates of each side were published in the newspapers, compiled in book form, and published as entire books. I've been working to transcribe a number of them, listed here: wikisource:en:Portal:Oregon

As an overview, I'd classify it like this:

Proponents of the "Whitman Saved Oregon" theory:
 * Henry H. Spalding (Whitman's fellow missionary and personal friend)
 * William H. Gray (Oregon politician), a member of the Whitman-Spalding group of migrants to Oregon
 * Myron Eells, son of the founder of Whitman College
 * Ed. C. Ross, editor of the Walla Walla Statesman and officer of the Oregon Pioneer Assn
 * Dr. W. A. Mowry
 * Oliver Woodson Nixon, newspaper editor of Chicago

Opponents of the theory:
 * Frances Fuller Victor, "mother of Oregon history"and
 * Elwood Evans, mayor of Tacoma and (briefly) governor of the Washington Territory
 * William Isaac Marshall, school principal from Chicago and amateur historian

The accusations back and forth are rather mind-boggling. I wish people were as passionate about establishing historical truth these days as they apparently were back then! I won't taint this introductory remark with my own interpretation of who was right or wrong, and if historians have settled on a consensus view in the intervening century, I haven't yet learned about it.

But I wanted to suggest we think and talk this through, and see what can be done to improve Wikipedia's relevant content so that it's accurately informed by the decades of intellectual discourse devoted to the subject. I'd suggest some improvements to existing articles, as well as brief bios of those "players" who do not already have a bio here. -Pete Forsyth (talk) 23:25, 6 June 2018 (UTC)


 * An update, I think I've finally cracked the riddle. Yale historian Edward Gaylord Bourne is widely considered to have definitively debunked the "Whitman saved Oregon" claim with his 1901 piece "The Legend of Marcus Whitman" (and in a more in-depth followup piece with the same title later that year). He found a great deal of evidence that the tale was fabricated by Gray and Spalding, and amplified by others over several decades. Bourne also gives a good deal of credit to Victor, for having gotten the substantial facts right in Bancroft's History of Oregon, which she mostly wrote, but for which she was not initially given credit. I've been tinkering with related articles, and will continue. -Pete Forsyth (talk) 22:18, 12 June 2018 (UTC)

2018 primary results
If I have time I'll get around to it, but would anyone be willing to update the 2018 election pages with the final results seen at https://sos.oregon.gov/elections/Documents/results/May-2018-results.pdf? MB298 (talk) 21:42, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

Missing articles? (COI request)
I reverted some edits to the Poet's Beach article. Someone with a COI asked about the possibility of creating some additional articles at Talk:Poet's Beach, if any project members care to weigh in. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 00:10, 26 June 2018 (UTC)

Cleanup at county secession list
Since 2011, there has been a cleanup tag (with no stated reason) at. Can anyone see what cleanup is needed? I certainly cannot. YBG (talk) 06:14, 1 June 2018 (UTC)
 * I agree, there's a citation for each of the three entries, and there are no other proposals I'm aware of. Possibly it would be worth mentioning Douglas and Coos growing out of Umpqua County, Oregon, but that's hardly worthy of a tag. -Pete Forsyth (talk) 15:35, 1 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Our friend was the one who added the tag in 2011. It seems that the only changes from then to now have been dating the tag, minor copyedit to item 1, rephrasing item 3, and removing blank lines between items. (Click here to see changes after this post).  @Valfontis, if you think more cleanup is required, maybe you could add a reason to the tag? YBG (talk) 22:58, 1 June 2018 (UTC)
 * I have cleaned up the section and removed the tag. The references could be a lot more specific. – Jonesey95 (talk) 02:50, 2 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks, and on a closer look I agree. I found a few more references in the RG, added them and slightly expanded the first item. Couldn't find any sourcing for the 2nd item, I feel that one is a bit dubious. -Pete Forsyth (talk) 21:01, 3 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Update: I removed the item about Tillamook County, I can't find any evidence that anybody but the editor of the North Coast Citizen every suggested it or even engaged with the idea. The remaining proposals all have to do with creating a county out of the western part of Lane County, ranging from 1913 to pretty recently, all for similar reasons. Seems this ought to be mentioned at Lane County, Oregon, no? Pete Forsyth (talk) 22:36, 3 June 2018 (UTC)
 * The Lane County, Oregon section is pretty brief, and could certainly benefit from updating, but it's not clear to me that secession proposals have played much of a part in its history. However, there do seem to be enough references for a bio of Wilbur Ternyik, a proponent of the 1984 proposal who died in April 2018, and who appears to have been a colorful character in Oregon coastal history. All are welcome to contribute to the draft as I seem to have grandma duties this month. Cheers! Grand&#39;mere Eugene (talk) 00:08, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks for starting that, I'll take a whack at expanding it. What struck me about the secession item is that (at least according to Ternyik) the same political forces -- western portions of the county feeling that the center of political gravity is not responsive to the timber industry -- drove efforts to secede in 1913, 1975, and 1984, leading to (from Ternyik's perspective) positive results each time. I'm not familiar enough to know whether Ternyik was accurately representing the history, or was just some guy with an axe to grind, so you may well be right that it's not significant; and in a short section, maybe there are indeed more important aspects of the county to get in there. Anyway, I say all this just to be sure my thought is fully communicated; if you still think it doesn't merit inclusion there, I'm fine with that. -Pete Forsyth (talk) 19:20, 4 June 2018 (UTC)


 * The Ternyk article has been nominated for deletion. Contribute if you are so inclined. Cheers! Grand&#39;mere Eugene (talk) 17:59, 4 July 2018 (UTC)

AfD Notice University of Oregon rowing team
I nominated University of Oregon rowing team for deletion for gross violation of copy/paste. I am attempting to draw any constructive attention to the article before it is removed entirely. The amount and kind of work needed to correct this article is well beyond my current skill set of editing. I decided this was the best way to generate interest in it if there was to be any.

Articles for deletion/University of Oregon rowing team

---> Darryl.P.Pike (talk) 15:24, 6 May 2018 (UTC)
 * I removed the plagiarized text, but the article could use editing to make the remaining text more sensible. Gah! Grand&#39;mere Eugene (talk) 18:44, 17 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Follow-up question: should previous versions that are copyvios be administratively removed from public view? Grand&#39;mere Eugene (talk) 19:10, 17 May 2018 (UTC)


 * , yes, I think they should. I'm happy to help out with stuff like that, and if you have a clear idea of which revisions should be deleted, I could take care of it. -Pete Forsyth (talk) 19:29, 17 May 2018 (UTC)


 * Thanks, . Unfortunately, the text shared between the WP article and the Mathwic thesis goes back almost to earliest versions in userspace: here's the first diff that evidences plagiarism. It appears thatthe editor may have been writing the WP article at the same time the thesis was underway, as there are also swaths of uncited text in the early WP article. That the article is so close to so much of the thesis is probably the best argument for WP:TNT. Grand&#39;mere Eugene (talk) 20:34, 17 May 2018 (UTC)


 * Ah, I see...that is tough. Is it possible that Mr. Mathwick is ? Might be worth reaching out to him. Regardless, if he is willing to release the thesis text (or the relevant portion) under CC BY-SA, there would be no problem. The best way to document it would be for him to send an email to WP:OTRS. -Pete Forsyth (talk) 20:41, 17 May 2018 (UTC)


 * Relisted again!
 * The current question is whether the article meets GNG and can stand alone or should be merged with the Athletics section of the main UO page. All are welcome to comment/vote. Oh, and, I have been unsuccessful in contacting --no response to "Contact user" query, and the Trevor Mathwick e-mail address I found with Google was no longer active. His Linked-in page has not had any updates since 2015. I think it best to delete all copyvio versions up through this diff as most edits before that did not add content, or even updates, but were relatively minor edits. What do you think? — Grand&#39;mere Eugene (talk) 00:05, 26 June 2018 (UTC)
 * The current question is whether the article meets GNG and can stand alone or should be merged with the Athletics section of the main UO page. All are welcome to comment/vote. Oh, and, I have been unsuccessful in contacting --no response to "Contact user" query, and the Trevor Mathwick e-mail address I found with Google was no longer active. His Linked-in page has not had any updates since 2015. I think it best to delete all copyvio versions up through this diff as most edits before that did not add content, or even updates, but were relatively minor edits. What do you think? — Grand&#39;mere Eugene (talk) 00:05, 26 June 2018 (UTC)

The AfD discussion closed as 'no consensus'. I just took a look at the article again and added some tags. There are multiple unsourced sections, and I'm still not sure which is better... keeping unsourced claims, or drastically reducing the length of the article by removing chunks of content. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 18:09, 4 July 2018 (UTC)

First Marylhurst, now Art Institute of Portland...
The Art Institute of Portland is closing: --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 22:38, 6 July 2018 (UTC)
 * https://www.bizjournals.com/portland/news/2018/07/06/the-art-institute-of-portland-to-close.html

Wilbur Ternyik
This fellow played a central role in Oregon land use planning in the 1970s, as just one part of a pretty impressive career. His recently-created article has been nominated for deletion, and has been doing an impressive job of adding sources and expanding it. Many of the best sources are not available on the open web, but readily accessible in library databases etc. I think she could use a hand in expanding this if anybody has some time. -Pete Forsyth (talk) 20:00, 9 July 2018 (UTC)

Template:WikiProject Oregon COTW
Should we remove the "current' collaborations from this template: Template:WikiProject Oregon COTW? --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 02:34, 8 July 2018 (UTC)


 * It had indeed been a long time, thanks for pointing this out. Rather than let it go blank, I've boldly added two new ones. The first, taking on all our newspaper redlinks, is chosen from the (very old) list of suggestions for future COTW's; and it also aligns with a new project spearheaded by, called WP:WikiProject Newspapers, which aims to create 1000 stubs for notable U.S. newspapers by the end of the year. The second, Land use in Oregon, is of my own choosing; I drew from the list of top-importance Oregon articles that are merely "start" quality on the assessment scale. Oregon is known for its land use planning, but we offer very little in the way of high-level coverage of the topic. Hope these choices are OK..and if not, there's always next month (or week, or what have you). -Pete Forsyth (talk) 20:12, 9 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks, --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 22:19, 9 July 2018 (UTC)

AfD: George Meredith (sannyasin)
The George Meredith (sannyasin) article has been nominated for deletion, if any project members care to help determine the article's fate. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 15:32, 19 July 2018 (UTC)
 * (bump) This discussion is still ongoing. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 23:12, 25 July 2018 (UTC)

Gibson for Senate Freedom March
I've created a stub for the Gibson for Senate Freedom March. There might be a more appropriate title, since there were actually duel events/protests, but at least there's something for now. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 00:26, 5 August 2018 (UTC)

Collaboration report
Hey Oregonophiles, I wanted to give a brief update on our Collaboration of the...Month (?) and highlight some other stuff:

WikiProject Newspapers has really been taking off
As part of our Collaboration of the Month, I've been working hard at the Oregon page of that project. Apart from project founder, who's near Oregon, and a little help from , the Oregon participation has been light; but there's plenty to do to help that project reach its goal of 1,000 new articles on U.S. newspapers by the end of 2018. So far, I've created stubs for: It would be great if others could pitch in a bit! As it stands, I think Oregon is the shining example of what a state can do; with the Register-Guard, a past Collaboration of the Week (?) product, we have one of very few good articles on newspapers, and we have a pretty thorough collection of stubs. It would be great if we could take this opportunity to expand our "holdings" between now and December.
 * The New Era (newspaper), of Sweet Home, which has had a couple colorful figures over the years;
 * The Portland Bee, a short-lived but influential paper whose editor killed a rival editor in a duel arising out of the two papers' editorial pages
 * The Sellwood Bee, unrelated but continuously published since 1906
 * Draft:Journalism in Oregon to try to capture the big picture.
 * I made a few minor edits to Street Roots and added to WP:Newspapers. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 15:12, 5 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks for that, looks good! -Pete Forsyth (talk) 22:05, 5 August 2018 (UTC)

Land use in Oregon
This is our other currently designated periodic collaboration. Not a lot to report with this one...but there's plenty to do to clean it up. One interesting tidbit, to give it broader context: Bloomberg just published a really cool infographic about land use in the United States. Lots of good info in there.

Spontaneous collaborations
Kudos to and  for good work at George Meredith (sannyasin) and Wilbur Ternyik, two recently-created articles that were both nominated for deletion. The Ternyik AfD is now closed; the article, greatly improved during the AfD, was kept with a "no consensus" decision. The Meredith AfD is ongoing; I have no way of knowing which way it will go, but regardless, it's been a strong effort to make the best case for keeping the article with careful attention to references and improving the text. If it is deleted, hopefully some of the content will at least be useful for expanding or improving related articles about the Rajneesh movement.

(Have I missed anything worth noting? Please feel free to add it!)

-Pete Forsyth (talk) 17:00, 2 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Pete. Unfortunately, the article was deleted. I think the community got this one wrong, but oh well! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 00:26, 5 August 2018 (UTC)

Future collaborations
I know it's been a struggle keeping the periodic Collaborations going recently. However, it's always worth remembering that Collaboration of the ____ programs have been found in at least one academic study to have a significant result in retaining new-ish Wikipedia editors...in addition to the benefits in expanding content, of course! So I think it's worthwhile to keep it doing. With that in mind, I'd be happy to commit to updating the entries on a monthly basis (rather than weekly -- it just feels like a more appropriate interval for the current state of the project). But it would be really helpful if a couple of you would take a look at WikiProject Oregon/Collaboration and update the suggestions for future collaborations there! The list is pretty thin, and very outdated. Thank you, especially, to for helping to update the various templates and such this last time around.

-Pete Forsyth (talk) 17:00, 2 August 2018 (UTC)

AFD on South Portland Historic District
Please consider commenting at Articles for deletion/South Portland Historic District. It is about a new "substub" NRHP article, and contains no text information not included in the corresponding NRHP list-article. Sometime in the last year I opened an AFD about 29 similar NRHP substubs in Idaho, which failed perhaps because the substubs had existed for a couple years. This is brand new, instead. --Doncram (talk) 03:11, 13 August 2018 (UTC)
 * This discussion has been relisted, if any project members care to weigh in re: whether or not the NRHP-listed South Portland Historic District deserves a standalone article. Thanks! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 21:03, 22 August 2018 (UTC)

MAX Blue Line
has asked for feedback on the MAX Blue Line article, before a possible Good article nomination, if any WikiProject Oregon members are willing to take a look and leave feedback on the article's talk page. Thanks! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 21:19, 22 August 2018 (UTC)

Portals for neighborhoods
I just discovered portals for select PDX neighborhoods, including:


 * Portal:Alameda, Portland, Oregon
 * Portal:Arbor Lodge, Portland, Oregon
 * Portal:Boise, Portland, Oregon
 * Portal:Buckman, Portland, Oregon
 * Portal:Foster-Powell, Portland, Oregon
 * Portal:Goose Hollow, Portland, Oregon
 * Portal:Grant Park, Portland, Oregon
 * Portal:Hillsdale, Portland, Oregon
 * Portal:Hollywood, Portland, Oregon
 * Portal:Irvington, Portland, Oregon
 * Portal:Kenton, Portland, Oregon
 * Portal:Laurelhurst, Portland, Oregon
 * Portal:Lents, Portland, Oregon
 * Portal:Lloyd District, Portland, Oregon
 * Portal:Mount Tabor, Portland, Oregon
 * Portal:Northwest District, Portland, Oregon
 * Portal:Overlook, Portland, Oregon
 * Portal:Sellwood, Portland, Oregon
 * Portal:St. Johns, Portland, Oregon
 * Portal:Sullivan's Gulch, Portland, Oregon
 * Portal:Sunnyside, Portland, Oregon

They are relatively new, so I thought I'd share for others to view as well. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 21:00, 18 September 2018 (UTC)

Help with identification
Hello! I took this photograph in Salem recently, but I am having difficulty identifying the sculpture and building. I want to say this was adjacent to an open space or parking area called "Courthouse Square" (File:Salem, Oregon (2018) - 266.jpg; what's the purpose of this space?). Can any project members offer any leads?

Thanks in advance. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 21:53, 25 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Try 231 High St NE on maps.google.com street view. This place is indeed called Courthouse Square. The building is the headquarters of the Cherriots public transit agency. – Jonesey95 (talk) 03:45, 26 September 2018 (UTC)
 * Thank you. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 13:46, 26 September 2018 (UTC)

RfC on election/referendum naming format
An RfC on moving the year from the end to the start of article titles (e.g. South African general election, 2019 to 2019 South African general election) has been reopened for further comment, including on whether a bot could be used move the articles if it closed in favour of the change: Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (government and legislation). Cheers, Number   5  7  15:46, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

Wordstock now Portland Book Festival
I moved the Wordstock page and added enough sources to take the tags off, but Portland Book Festival could use some incoming links. Ideas? Cheers! Grand&#39;mere Eugene (talk) 20:33, 20 October 2018 (UTC)

AfD: Women's March on Portland
Articles for deletion/Women's March on Portland --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 14:09, 23 October 2018 (UTC)

Next Collaboration of the Month(ish) coming up -- your thoughts?
I'd like to change up the Collaboration of the Month items. I haven't heard any suggestions since the last switch, so let me put a few possibilities out there before I make a unilateral decision...do any of you have preferences?

I thought I'd focus on articles that are low quality but high- or top-importance on our assessment scale. Here are a few options:
 * Columbia River Gorge
 * Mirabella Portland, a fairly recent skyscraper in Portland with a LEED platinum certification
 * Albert Starr, who invented the Starr heart valve
 * Lenn Hannon, the longest-serving state senator
 * John McLoughlin, a rather important fellow in Oregon history
 * Terry Baker, the only athlete to both win the Heisman Trophy (football) and compete in the Final Four (basketball)
 * Vote-by-mail in Oregon, only 6 references, but Oregon's voting system has been identified as one of the best in the US

-Pete Forsyth (talk) 02:34, 24 October 2018 (UTC)
 * Thanks for proposing these choices, Pete. John McLoughlin and Vote-by-mail in Oregon get my votes because they are both important Oregon topics. Cheers! — Grand&#39;mere Eugene (talk) 03:33, 24 October 2018 (UTC)

Hoax/mistake?
I'm beginning to wonder whether Wikipedia has been the source of some "fake news" -- is this genuinely a portrait of Marcus Whitman?

I have been reading extensively about Whitman in the last year or so, and the lack of genuine portraits of him or his wife is a topic I've seen noted in several places (I believe O.W. Nixon stated it most directly in one of his books). There are of course some paintings etc. made after their deaths, but there's no particular reason to believe they are especially true to their subjects. The user who uploaded this file in 2006 was indefinitely blocked in 2008 for "uploading files without source/licensing after warnings." Using tineye.com, I find some other instances of the file, identified as Whitman, but I see no reason to believe they weren't pulled from Wikimedia sites. (I did find a slightly higher resolution version, but...that could be a digital restoration from the one on Wikimedia.) The uploader attributed the file to painter Paul Kane, and said it was published in 1859; I found a book with Kane's paintings published in 1859, but consulting its list of illustrations, I find no mention of Whitman; and though I'm not an art expert, the style of this file doesn't seem especially similar to Kane's work.

I'm wondering if Wikipedia's been pranked here, and if we should remove the file. (Probably worth seeking input from an art WikiProject as well, but I thought I'd ask here first.) -Pete Forsyth (talk) 21:01, 25 October 2018 (UTC)

Followup...I found this page, captured in 2008, which ID's both as Whitmans, stating they were 1859 prints. But I'm not convinced that's an especially authoritative source. -Pete Forsyth (talk) 21:11, 25 October 2018 (UTC)

And, perhaps I posted too soon...on the Oregon Encyclopedia article I find similar claims the Kane sketched Narcissa (at least), and it appears perhaps this is published in this book, which the Multnomah County Library has. So I'm going to see if I can track it down. -Pete Forsyth (talk) 21:17, 25 October 2018 (UTC)


 * Hmmm... Is the 3rd author François Norbert Blanchet?  YBG (talk) 00:32, 26 October 2018 (UTC)


 * :) Looks like the WorldCat record is a little messed up. (Kane was also 19th century.) I have the book on hold, so I'll know more when it comes in. -Pete Forsyth (talk) 00:52, 26 October 2018 (UTC)

Oregon's Most Endangered Places for 2019
Just sharing for those who may be interested:
 * https://www.oregonlive.com/expo/life-and-culture/erry-2018/11/043e5cf7d35131/oregons-12-most-endangered-pla.html

Happy Election Day! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 18:04, 6 November 2018 (UTC)

Featured quality source review RFC
Editors in this WikiProject may be interested in the featured quality source review RFC that has been ongoing. It would change the featured article candidate process (FAC) so that source reviews would need to occur prior to any other reviews for FAC. Your comments are appreciated. --IznoRepeat (talk) 21:47, 11 November 2018 (UTC)

Crystal Hotel
I reverted a recent expansion to Crystal Hotel (Portland, Oregon), then realized the article is part of an ongoing class assignment. I posted a note on the article's talk page, inviting the editor to make improvements one at a time for easier review, or propose suggestions on the talk page. I have the article watchlisted, and invite other project members to keep an eye on the page as well, thanks! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 05:55, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

Carriage Room nominated for deletion
--- Another Believer ( Talk ) 02:56, 9 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Articles for deletion/Carriage Room

Washington Park station (Portland)
Please see Talk:Washington Park station (Portland) re: whether or not Washington Park station (Portland) should be moved to Washington Park station (Portland, Oregon). Thanks! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 20:08, 4 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Update: The article was moved to Washington Park station (TriMet). --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 03:46, 16 December 2018 (UTC)

Wish for partnership and images from Oregon Zoo in Portland
The international Wikimedia community has yet to establish a ongoing working relationship with any zoo.

Among possible zoo partners, the Oregon Zoo in Portland has done something of particular interest to Wikimedia projects and anyone wanting reference coverage of animals: x-rays of animals.


 * Routine zoo checkups yield spectacularly spooky x-rays, from 19 October 2018

This is an unusual collection of images which would be impossible for most zoos to get, but it seems that the Oregon Zoo is curating a collection. Wikimedia readers would benefit greatly from access to this collection, and the Oregon Zoo could have their images in of Wikimedia's very popular animal articles indefinitely if they were willing to share any.

If anyone has or makes contact with anyone at the Portland Zoo then please gauge their interest in an x-ray animal partnership.

BTW - the Oregon Zoo's website has a malfunction. Here is the metadata for this page. This incorrect metadata is likely preventing people from finding this and article articless.

 Blue Rasberry  (talk)  19:25, 17 November 2018 (UTC)

Stanich's
I'm not familiar with Stanich's, but the restaurant seems to be getting press lately. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 04:48, 29 November 2018 (UTC)

Charlie Hales article
An editor called "Charliehales" has been editing the Charlie Hales article. I've reverted and posted at Talk:Charlie Hales. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 22:44, 26 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Update: The editor claims to be the real Charlie Hales, and has emailed me directly from an "hdrinc.com" email address, asking to call him about his bio. I'm not really comfortable replying directly, but I would appreciate some support on the article's talk page, if possible. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 23:03, 26 December 2018 (UTC)

Liberty Bell
Help, please! I sure thought I had the Liberty Bell's history figured out, but someone working on the article for French Wikipedia has identified a few discrepancies. See ongoing discussion at Talk:Liberty Bell (Portland, Oregon) and User_talk:Another_Believer.

If any project members are able to help with reviewing current text and sourcing, as well as the source re: Terry Schrunk Plaza, that's be super helpful. I've made a few edits to the Good article, but additional input is needed. I should note, editors are working on this article at BN, ES, FR, and PT Wikipedias, so this is really affecting 5 articles. Thanks! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 18:35, 9 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Making you aware of this discussion. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 18:36, 9 January 2019 (UTC)

Re: image in Weather Machine article
Please see Talk:Weather_Machine re: whether or not a particular image is appropriate for the Weather Machine article, which was recently featured on the Main page. Thanks! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 17:34, 10 January 2019 (UTC)

Wikipedia Editathon: The Visibility Project - Saturday, January 19
Make+Think+Code and the Pacific Northwest College of Art are hosting a Wikipedia editathon at the Shipley Collins Mediatheque (511 NW Broadway) on Saturday, January 19 from 10am to 2:30pm. The purpose of the event is to make Wikipedia a more vibrant, representative, inclusive and diverse resource. Please visit Meetup/MakeThinkCode/TheVisibilityProject for more information. Thanks! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 20:47, 14 January 2019 (UTC)