Talk:Glass Joe

I don't know about High-importance
Perhaps Mid? I mean, there are more important topics out there than Glass Joe to say the least. –MuZemike 06:03, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I see your point, though I feel that what he represents makes him of high importance. Like how Donkey Kong is high importance [if I recall correctly] for being iconic to the Mario series as being his first villain and basically the icon of that game, Glass Joe is basically the icon of the Punch-Out!! series, being used as a metaphor for weakness and ineffectiveness as well as being called one of the weakest characters in video game history. - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 06:18, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
 * It's a bit odd that the Punch-Out!! game articles are of mid importance at best, though, while Glass Joe is of high importance. --Grandy02 (talk) 09:34, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Shouldn't the NES be high? First licensed video game, called one of the most famous sports games of all time, etc. - The New Age Retro Hippie used Ruler! Now, he can figure out the length of things easily. 18:43, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I would consider mid-importance because he is not well-known in gaming outside of the Punch-Out!! seies. 39.50.250.162 (talk) 23:13, 1 June 2024 (UTC)

More reviews
Sorry I couldn't make it sooner, but I don't think the outcome of the FAN would have been different with my comments. Here's some suggestions. That much for the lead. Skimming through the rest of the article, I noticed repeated words ("He was designed by Shigeru Miyamoto in the original Punch-Out!! arcade game, and was redesigned") and grammatical errors ("designed in" instead of "designed for"; "He design is notably skinnier than the player-character Little Mac's"). Will probably give a more thorough review next week. Prime Blue (talk) 19:59, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
 * If you decide to include the katakana version of his name, the transliteration "Gurasu Jō" should be included, as the plain English word rule is no longer active.
 * Would reword the second sentence to "He first appeared in the arcade game Punch-Out!! in 1984, and three years later made his home console debut with the Nintendo Entertainment System (NES) game of the same name."
 * "In these games, he is the first boxer players fight and is decidedly weak" -> "In the aforementioned games, he is the first boxer the player fights, and hence the weakest."
 * "He was originally designed by Shigeru Miyamoto in the arcade game." -> "The character was originally designed by Shigeru Miyamoto for the arcade game."
 * "Makoto Wada revised Glass Joe's appearance for the NES version, while Eddie Viser redesigned him once more for the Wii game; the character was voiced by Christian Bernard in the latter."
 * Removed "including freelance writer Sumantra Lahiri" in the lead.
 * Don't know what "ineffectual nature" means, what its connection to French stereotypes is.
 * "The stereotype was expanded when the developers of the Wii game, Next Level Games, introduced Glass Joe's love for luxurious things, such as gourmet coffee, by means of a series of cut scenes before the match with him." -> "The stereotypical characteristics of Glass Joe were emphasized even more by the developers of the Wii game, Next Level Games. For example, they included cutscenes that depicted the character as a lover of luxurious things, such as gourmet coffee."
 * Reword or remove "Other critics commented on these stereotypes, including editors for GamesRadar and Retronauts" (no contextual significance).
 * "He is considered an icon of Nintendo" -> "Glass Joe is considered an icon of Nintendo, and"
 * Remove "He has been used as a symbol for weakness by critics from media outlets, including Wired, UGO Networks, Nintendo Power, and TeamXbox." (this implies that the character is often cited as a symbol for weakness in unconnected articles, which I do not assume to be the case).
 * "His name has also been used by sportspeople to comment on either a specific sportsperson or a kind of sportsperson." -> "His name has also been used as a negative title attributed to sportspeople as a consequence of their poor performances."
 * I care too little for fictional characters to give a thorough review, so I applied the copyedits as I went over the article. Just revert what you don't like. I had to switch many sentences to make the sections read less arbitrarily. Additional musings:

Prime Blue (talk) 11:36, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Where does that bit with the one win, 99 losses record come from? The IGN source reads like a made-up story. If this does not come directly from Nintendo, it should be removed. If it does, the origin should be specified.
 * The quote "Make it quick... I want to retire" does not exactly demonstrate cowardice and weakness. Furthermore, the referenced article does not state both these characteristics to be stereotypes of French people.
 * I can see where you're coming from with the second non-free image, but it needs a stronger fair use rationale and caption if you want to keep it.
 * It is not clear what Chris Buffa meant with "a fighting chance" (either that he should be stronger or a playable character himself). This should be clarified or omitted.
 * The critical comments in "Cultural impact" are not part of the character's cultural impact. Similarly, I think the whole reception section could be handled or grouped differently somehow, as everything is sort of overlapping and kind of random there.
 * "have been discussed by critics such as writer Sumantra Lahiri and Eurogamer's Oli Welsh". Discussed in what way? Should be clarified or omitted.

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