Talk:Jessica Mak

Misgendering?
All sources I can find on this person now refer to them as Jonathan Mak. I don't think we should continue to use his deadname or categorise them as female. Robo37 (talk) 20:35, 26 January 2024 (UTC)


 * The name change to Jessica happened after 2017 as far as I can tell. Was there a change back? If you have more recent links than the one on the article, could post some here. Would be good to avoid use of a deadname as much as possible. Flurrious (talk) 21:48, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Is there any article text in which she is referred with the wrong pronouns or name? Please see the cited sources and how they refer to her over time, especially the publication dates of the sources you say you found (which should be from the 2000s/2010s). The article currently reflects how she has been identified most recently, e.g., these 2021 articles from Polygon and Engadget, as well as her Twitter account (which is an acceptable source for this purpose per WP:ABOUTSELF). Bridget (talk) 22:36, 26 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Yes you are correct, the articles I've read are outdated. My apologies. Robo37 (talk) 00:20, 27 January 2024 (UTC)


 * , you reverted my addition of her deadname to the lead per MOS:DEADNAME, saying that her games were notable before but not her. This implies that the coverage she has received since her transition has made her notable—I don't see that in the relevant sources (,, and ). I think e.g. this source provides far more significant coverage on her pre-transition than all three sources post-transition, which are essentially replications of the same story. Do you still disagree? &#126;~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 18:04, 3 February 2024 (UTC)
 * I feel the 2021 development helped cement her notability as a developer, since the two prior bursts of coverage are mainly centered on her game design work on the 2007 and 2012 titles rather than her as an individual. I definitely agree with you on the CBC source, though. I got excited when I found the CBC article while expanding the article. But it seems to me like that's the only source we have on her from that time that focuses on her as a person. I appreciate you expounding your reasoning, and—looking at this situation again—I wouldn't object to re-adding the name if you are still seeing its inclusion is justified per MOS:DEADNAME. Best, Bridget (talk) 18:39, 3 February 2024 (UTC)
 * I agree that it's rather borderline, but for me, if her notability were to be questioned, that pre-transition CBC source would be the first you'd cite. I think that pushes me towards including the deadname; thanks for understanding. &#126;~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 18:43, 3 February 2024 (UTC)