Talk:Star Fox 2

Atari Lynx?
What's the talk about the "impending release of the Atari Lynx". Where? Atari Lynx was a portable released 1989. Did Dylan Cuthbert perhaps mean the Atari Jaguar, released 1993 available 1994? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.226.172.191 (talk) 20:41, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

3D system
I think the game had a new 3D system that was for the SNES. But the it came rather late for SNES's time. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.137.72.181 (talk • contribs)
 * Yep - it ran on the SuperFX 2 chip, which had roughly double the clock rate of the original. &mdash;  K i e f e r S k u n k  ( talk ) &mdash; 20:52, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Starfox - Gundam Connection
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v43/Luigi/Starfox%20-%20Gundam/StarFox2_Beta_1_2004_01_25_21-00-47.png http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v43/Luigi/Starfox%20-%20Gundam/StarFox2_Beta_1_2004_01_25_20-55-38.png Although it's not Important, it looks like there was some SMALL inspiration from the Gundam series. --Arima 04:11, 24 September 2005 (UTC)


 * That's what all 3d SNES games looked like.--The last sheikah 16:19, 2 July 2006 (UTC)


 * That's not what he's saying, what he's saying is that those ship designs seen in 3D in Star Fox are similar to some Gundam ship designs.

Box Art
an old EB games' ad had the box art, and this website has it, should it be included in the article? http://snescentral.edgeemu.com/cart.php?id=0077&num=0 http://snescentral.edgeemu.com/0/0/7/0077/box.png

--ThrashedParanoid 01:07, 27 October 2005 (UTC)
 * I guess. I never knew the box art was actually released, though. Thunderbrand 02:09, 27 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Okay i added it in then, if theres any doubt then you can go ahead and revert it. --ThrashedParanoid 14:57, 27 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Thunderbrand, many stores like EB photoshop promo box art long before the game's release User:NFAN3
 * Just for the record, this box was an official promotional design as it can be seen in Nintendo's booth at the Las Vegas Consumer Electronics Show in this image ~ J Galaxy (talk) 03:19, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

Removed paragraph

 * However, it is questionable that Mega Man 6 for the Nintendo Entertainment System was released at about the same time as Mega Man X, Mega Man X2, and Mega Man 7 were being (or going to be) released for the Super Nintendo. If this is the case, then it still seems to be explained why Nintendo did not do the same for Star Fox 2 / Star Fox 64.

I removed this. Just because another company made the "questionable" move of releasing two games of the same franchise at around the same time does not mean that Nintendo should have followed suit with its own franchise. In any case, I don't think this statement is encyclopedic. - furrykef (Talk at me) 22:32, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

Cancellation
It obviously means that Nintendo was forced to cancel Star Fox 2 because of all the reasons said in this article. --Zachkudrna18@yahoo.com


 * First of all, and I want to point this out very clearly: The project was completely fininshed. Even programmer Dylan Cuthbert stated in this interview (Scroll down) that. .  . "Starfox 2 was fully completed. I was lead programmer and whilst Giles made Stunt Race FX, myself and the rest of the original Starfox team (ie. Nintendo's artists and designers) expanded Starfox into a full 3D shooting game" Parden my ranting, but can we please refer the game as unreleased instead of cancelled. Because if it was really cancelled, it wouldn't have looked so complete and playable as if it had been released to retail, and we wouldn't have seen a "The End" after actually beating the game. Remember the same situation happened to Earth Bound NES/Zero, in which the game was completed with all packaging and even advertising ready but was prevented release. I know all this because I personally experienced these good games and completed them.  Having the game labed cancelled is an common mistake; only the planned release was cancelled. Cancel is the wrong word to use. Thank you. Dragon DASH 20:02, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
 * The term "cancelled" is appropriate in this context because, even though the game may have been technically finished, its release was cancelled. A game project is not considered complete until it has been released, so calling it "cancelled" is correct.  The difference between "unreleased" and "cancelled" is that "unreleased" simply states that it was not released, but does nothing to address WHY it wasn't released.  "Cancelled" states that the reason the game was not released was because its project was cancelled - even at the very end, it's still true.
 * Note that saying it was "finished" is also (mostly) true here, since that addresses the state of the code. Without seeing the actual latest version of the source code, we can't verify that it was truly finished.  But as evidenced by the leaked playable ROM and the fact that people were able to fix that ROM's major bugs, it was at least really close. &mdash; KieferSkunk (talk) &mdash; 21:08, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Ah I see. Thank you. That should verify things for me.Dragon DASH 21:27, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Multiplayer mode?
In the beta version, I cannot find a multiplayer version. Did they actually put one in, or is thatsomething they didn't put in, just on design paper, which was given to Star Fox 64? &mdash;The preceding unsigned comment was added by George Leung (talk &bull; contribs).
 * I dunno. The quote from Miyamoto says that they had multiplayer mode in SF2. Thunderbrand 16:11, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

The Alpha version had multiplayer. The Beta version did not. SnowflakePillow 01:17, 20 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Technically, the multiplayer mode does exist in the beta, but the main menu option to it was removed in the fan bugfix version since the mode was not really fully playable yet (evidence that the game itself wasn't completed, at least in the leaked beta). George is probably using the bugfix/English translated version. &mdash; KieferSkunk (talk) &mdash; 00:54, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
 * The Multiplayer was probably in the progress of removal for the supposed final version too. Dragon DASH 22:20, 1 September 2006 (UTC)


 * The Multiplayer mode is ONLY in the alpha. I've played the alpha, the final beta, and the fan translation. In the final beta no fan translation, there is no multiplayer. However, the entire alpha is in multiplayer, however player 2 is always Fox, and does not have their own window; hence player 1 must keep player two in their line of sight. 71.34.246.188 00:56, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Nintendo Power
It should be mentioned somewhere in the article that the game was so close to completion and release that Nintendo Power featured a stragedy guide for it in one of the issues. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.161.104.34 (talk • contribs)


 * I was a subscriber to Nintendo Power throughout the period from when Star Fox 2 was announced to when it was canceled, and I am positive it never had any strategy guide or anything of the sort. - furrykef (Talk at me) 20:08, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Failed GA nomination
I'm sorry to say that this article failed good article nomination. This is how the article, as of October 27, 2006, compares against the six GA criteria: 1. Is it well written?
 * (a) Prose - Pass
 * (b) Logical structure - Fail
 * (c) Good style - Fail
 * (d) Not too technical - Pass

2. Is it factually accurate?
 * (a) Well referenced - Fail
 * (b) Inline citation - Pass
 * (c) Reliable sources - Pass
 * (d) Original research - Pass

3. Does it have broad coverage?
 * (a) All major aspects - Fail
 * (b) Stays on topic - Pass

4. Neutral point of view - Pass 5. Stable - Pass 6. Images - Fail

Explanation of failed points:
 * 1b, Logical structure: A paragraph is repeated in the introduction of the article and the "Plot" section. The ESRB rating is in the "Development" section for some reason. The "Development" section itself spends more time discussing ROM emulations of the game then the development of the game.
 * 1c, Good style: The out-of-universe perspective could be reinforced throughout the "Gameplay" and "Plot and setting" sections. See here for the policy and examples. This is especially true in the "Plot" sub-section.
 * 2a, References: The "Gameplay" section has only one reference, and the "Plot and setting" section has none.
 * 3a, All major aspects: The game was close enough to release to have an ESRB rating, and it was also featured at E3. Surely more reviews of the game must exist? A review section would be appropriate. The article also has no information about the game's music, and the "Development" section is lacking in information about the game's development, as I pointed out above. Given the discussion of Star Fox 2 ROMs, a mention of the legal status of these ROMs could be useful. It is mentioned that some elements of this game made it into Star Fox 64; an actual section discussing comparing this game to Star Fox and Star Fox 64 would be a plus.
 * 6, Images: The image captions should be more detailed, so that the reader will know what he's seeing. Take for example the captions in Doom.

When these issues are addressed, the article can be resubmitted for consideration. Thanks for your work so far.

Ritchy 01:24, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I'll try to address your concerns, but I cannot give reviews since the game was cancelled. Even through it was given a rating, the only people who have reviewed it are people who operate fan sites, and fan sites aren't really to be used as references. Thunderbrand 16:22, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
 * If it makes any difference, Retro Gamer Magazine (UK) recently ran an article about the Star Fox series (with development notes from the founder of Argonaut Software), and there's some discussion in there about Star Fox 2's cancellation. Still doesn't qualify as a review, but it does provide a more official source about the game. &mdash; KieferSkunk (talk) &mdash; 22:26, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks, but I doubt if I ever get back to this article to work on. I have other projects I would like to do, and there is just so little stuff on this game from reliable sources beside print stuff, and even that is pretty rare. Thunderbrand 15:25, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Mecha
No way, transforming into bipedal robots was in that? I thought I made that up for a hypothetical Star Fox game :( Well, I guess I still did. Question is, why the hell hasn't this ever appeared in a newer game?


 * it seems rather out of place in the game(ive played it), it would have been better as like an attachment that you can pick later on —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 141.210.100.48 (talk) 18:52, 19 February 2007 (UTC).

"Future game"
The article currently uses Template:Future game at the top. I feel this is inappropriate, since we have pretty much all the info, including the game itself, that will likely ever be released. There is little information that is subject to change. - furrykef (Talk at me) 08:14, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah, it's pretty pointless. I'll remove it. Thunderbrand 17:26, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

GA
Passed GA nomination, the article is as good as it will ever get. - 凶 14:46, 10 April 2007 (UTC)


 * That's not true, the article has been posted at GA review for further input. IvoShandor 15:02, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

GA delisted
This article has been delisted per the now archived Good article review. IvoShandor 12:06, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

Enemy listings
I'm listing all of the bosses, names and discriptions, and perhaps all of the regular enemies. This should be as simple as a few playthroughs and writing down the names displayed for enemies. A.J. Comix 13:15, 14 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Please don't just list them unless you're going to provide additional information about each one. Wikipedia has too many lists. - furrykef (Talk at me) 17:02, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Scam
Somebody posted an external link to an eBay auction claiming to be selling a PAL prototype version of an English version of the game. This is obviously a scam, because 1) it seems unlikely that a PAL prototype was made; 2) from what I know, prototype carts usually do not look like normal carts; and 3) screenshots of the game show that it's clearly the fan translation. It's possible that the cart is real in the sense that you can put it in your SNES and play it, but anybody can make something like that from a ROM using the right tools. If they try putting it back in the article, revert it immediately and do not even think of bidding on it. - furrykef (Talk at me) 20:08, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

ROM
It should be noted that the ROM has been leaked by somebody who found an actual prototype cart and dumped it.

Starfox 2 was never on a prototype cart. It was leaked as a pure binary. If you read d4s' notes on the game, he states this is the case (note that d4s was the person the game was leaked to). 64.201.208.135 (talk) 05:06, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

Time frame
The article doesn't mention a single year. I could imagine if a reader who isn't familiar with video games reads this article finds it hard to place the time when this game was developed. Only thing mentioned in the article is that the game was about to be released before the N64. So the article assumes the reader knows when the N64 was released or it wants the reader to find the info alone. The article mentions for example that the game appeared in E3 but what year? Really, without the N64 and SNES references the article could be talking about a 2007 game. --Mika1h 18:23, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

I've played the ROM dump (With the "Final" patch) and the date on the title screen is noted as 1995. I've added this to the article.--A.J. Comix 15:40, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Is there anything i can do
Hi,

I'm currently working on the Spellforce 2: Dragon Storm article, but wouldn't mind knowing is there anything i could assist with, to help improve the article. SKYNET X7000 (talk) 09:14, 21 December 2007 (UTC)


 * You could find free images from the game, esp. of Fay and Miyu. - Sdmitch16 (talk) 06:33, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

Wiiware Rumors
I thought I should let you know that I've heard a rumor from my older brother concerning this game 's future. I can't recall all the details, but he said that if & when the SNES Starfox game gets released for the Wii there's also an interest and possibility that this game (the cancelled sequel) would be released to the public as well. Additionally, if it was to come out it would be a completed and (officially) translated version from Nintendo itself. Then again, it could be wrong that such a thing can happen, though I wanted to put this out in the discussion here for anyone to weigh in. Signed by (66.136.118.158 (talk) 05:26, 15 July 2008 (UTC))

my god! i am taking this to nintendos site right now. STARFOX 2 FTW! Hollywoodd 22:07, 6 August 2008 (UTC) Kperfekt722 (talk • contribs)

Starfox 2 Virtual Console Update
We appreciate hearing about the types of products that you would like to see from us in the future. While there hasn't been an announcement concerning the future of Star Fox, you never know what the future holds! As the worldwide leader and innovator in the creation of interactive entertainment, and because of our history of pushing the limits of gameplay and design, you can always count on Nintendo offering the most imaginative products. - Shane O'Neil

Grounds For A Mention In The Article? Kperfekt722 22:50, 14 August 2008 (UTC)


 * No, because as I explained in my response to you on my Talk page, an e-mail is not a reliable source. - furrykef (Talk at me) 23:21, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

but, its from nintendo. on a side not, there is a complete english version, you can catch videos of the emulator on youtube. KP317 23:04, 15 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I already explained that there is no way to prove that you received such an e-mail from Nintendo. Your statement needs a reliable source, and an e-mail does not count as a reliable source, period. Also, the English version is a fan translation that was made a few years ago. It doesn't count. - furrykef (Talk at me) 06:49, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

i never said an email was a reliable source, i asked if that translation was real. KP317 13:44, 20 August 2008 (UTC)


 * If an e-mail isn't a reliable source, why do you propose mentioning it in the article? - furrykef (Talk at me) 16:47, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Vehicles
I know that arwings are in there, but in the emulators I have seen some kind of... walking... thing. like it was used against andross. KP317 23:08, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Prototype ROM Images
The article notes that there are three ROM images, and that the two early ones are from trade shows. I dispute that these ROM images are from prototypes shown at trade shows, because the first showing of StarFox 2 was at the Winter 1995 CES, which showed a far more advanced version of StarFox 2 than the two leaked prototypes. I challenge anyone to find media on StarFox 2 prior to the Winter 1995 CES, aside from rumours on Usenet. 64.201.208.135 (talk) 05:16, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

Pirate Copies
Please do not remove the segment on Pirated Copies. Although it may require some reformatting or modification of citations, I do not believe it was justified to delete the article subject entirely. It is my belief that this segment deletion was for the sole purpose of increasing profit margins of sellers of these illegal copies. No arguments were ever refuted about this paragraph, the subject was simply removed. Xaj (talk) 14:17, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

Completed English copies
In the article, it states that it is not sure whether there are any completed English copies. I would just like to say that there are indeed English copies, since I was able to play one completely- The cartridge was also marked with the official Nintendo seal, so I am fairly certain that it was made by Nintendo. I didn't change the article since I have no sources, though. 68.148.46.173 (talk) 02:16, 17 April 2012 (UTC)


 * It's very easy to fake a seal. Unfortunately, chances are very good that you bought a reproduction cart. Check screenshots from the translation by Aeon Genesis. If the words, font, etc. are the same, you got cheated. Hope you didn't pay too much for it. - furrykef (Talk at me) 06:01, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

EGM source
For anyone interested, I found a source that was not used in this article (as far as I know). Electronic Gaming Monthly #68 March 1995 pages 104 - 107. Don't know if it's something new, though.

Bergakungen91 (talk) 21:45, 17 January 2013 (UTC)

Gamasutra interview
This might be useful for continuing to flesh out the development section. -- 136.181.195.25 (talk) 15:19, 30 June 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks I've added it to the refideas at the top of this page. TarkusAB  15:57, 30 June 2017 (UTC)

Genre: rail shooter
It doesn't seem accurate to list "rail shooter" as this game's genre. Rail shooters are games where movement is in a single direction, such as the original Star Fox, but Star Fox 2 allows movement in any direction. Are there any sources that say what genre Star Fox 2 belongs in? --Captain Occam (talk) 22:43, 2 October 2017 (UTC)


 * This is more accurately a space-flight sim (flying segments) and third-person shooter (walker segments). Few if any segments of the game are on-rails. I have updated the intro. Some guy (talk) 16:23, 6 September 2018 (UTC)

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release
let's just say, It was complete in 1995 and planned to be released in an early quarter of 1996Rowbro (talk) 18:43, 9 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Why? The interviews with developers say it was canceled in 1995. Popcornfud (talk) 18:48, 9 March 2021 (UTC)

But, Nintendo Power stated that the game was still being worked on in 1995 and the release date would most likely be the first half of 1996 and that was it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rowbro (talk • contribs) 20:34, 9 March 2021 (UTC)
 * But we know now from interviews that these reports were not correct. Popcornfud (talk) 20:39, 9 March 2021 (UTC)