User talk:Awkwafaba/Archive 8

Articles you might like to edit, from SuggestBot
Note: All columns in this table are sortable, allowing you to rearrange the table so the articles most interesting to you are shown at the top. All images have mouse-over popups with more information. For more information about the columns and categories, please consult the documentation and please get in touch on SuggestBot's talk page with any questions you might have.

SuggestBot picks articles in a number of ways based on other articles you've edited, including straight text similarity, following wikilinks, and matching your editing patterns against those of other Wikipedians. It tries to recommend only articles that other Wikipedians have marked as needing work. We appreciate that you have signed up to receive suggestions regularly; your contributions make Wikipedia better — thanks for helping!

If you have feedback on how to make SuggestBot better, please let us know on SuggestBot's talk page. -- SuggestBot (talk) 12:04, 25 June 2021 (UTC)

Feedback request: Maths, science, and technology request for comment
Your feedback is requested &#32;at Talk:Wuhan Institute of Virology&#32; on a "Maths, science, and technology" request for comment. Thank you for helping out! You were randomly selected to receive this invitation from the list of Feedback Request Service subscribers. If you'd like not to receive these messages any more, you can opt out at any time by removing your name. Message delivered to you with love by Yapperbot :) &#124; Is this wrong? Contact my bot operator. &#124; Sent at 09:30, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

Articles for Creation July 2021 Backlog Elimination Drive
 Hello :

WikiProject Articles for creation is holding a  month long Backlog Drive!

The goal of this drive is to eliminate the backlog of unreviewed articles. The drive is running until 31 July 2021.

Barnstars will be given out as awards at the end of the drive.

There is currently a backlog of over articles, so start reviewing articles. We're looking forward to your help!

Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) on behalf of WikiProject Articles for Creation at 21:53, 7 July 2021 (UTC). If you do not wish to recieve future notification, please remove your name from the mailing list.

Articles you might like to edit, from SuggestBot
Note: All columns in this table are sortable, allowing you to rearrange the table so the articles most interesting to you are shown at the top. All images have mouse-over popups with more information. For more information about the columns and categories, please consult the documentation and please get in touch on SuggestBot's talk page with any questions you might have.

SuggestBot picks articles in a number of ways based on other articles you've edited, including straight text similarity, following wikilinks, and matching your editing patterns against those of other Wikipedians. It tries to recommend only articles that other Wikipedians have marked as needing work. We appreciate that you have signed up to receive suggestions regularly; your contributions make Wikipedia better — thanks for helping!

If you have feedback on how to make SuggestBot better, please let us know on SuggestBot's talk page. -- SuggestBot (talk) 11:28, 9 July 2021 (UTC)

Drymoda picta
Hi, your edit to Drymoda picta broke the redirect. For future reference, the redirect code needs to be at the very start of the page's code. Anything before the redirect markup - even a comment or invisible template - will stop the redirect working. — Smjg (talk) 09:25, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Dryomoda picta


A tag has been placed on Dryomoda picta requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section R3 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is a recently created redirect from an implausible typo or misnomer, or other unlikely search term.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. ~ GB fan 09:42, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

Articles you might like to edit, from SuggestBot
Note: All columns in this table are sortable, allowing you to rearrange the table so the articles most interesting to you are shown at the top. All images have mouse-over popups with more information. For more information about the columns and categories, please consult the documentation and please get in touch on SuggestBot's talk page with any questions you might have.

SuggestBot picks articles in a number of ways based on other articles you've edited, including straight text similarity, following wikilinks, and matching your editing patterns against those of other Wikipedians. It tries to recommend only articles that other Wikipedians have marked as needing work. We appreciate that you have signed up to receive suggestions regularly; your contributions make Wikipedia better — thanks for helping!

If you have feedback on how to make SuggestBot better, please let us know on SuggestBot's talk page. -- SuggestBot (talk) 11:58, 23 July 2021 (UTC)

Articles you might like to edit, from SuggestBot
Note: All columns in this table are sortable, allowing you to rearrange the table so the articles most interesting to you are shown at the top. All images have mouse-over popups with more information. For more information about the columns and categories, please consult the documentation and please get in touch on SuggestBot's talk page with any questions you might have.

SuggestBot picks articles in a number of ways based on other articles you've edited, including straight text similarity, following wikilinks, and matching your editing patterns against those of other Wikipedians. It tries to recommend only articles that other Wikipedians have marked as needing work. We appreciate that you have signed up to receive suggestions regularly; your contributions make Wikipedia better — thanks for helping!

If you have feedback on how to make SuggestBot better, please let us know on SuggestBot's talk page. -- SuggestBot (talk) 11:29, 6 August 2021 (UTC)

Articles you might like to edit, from SuggestBot
Note: All columns in this table are sortable, allowing you to rearrange the table so the articles most interesting to you are shown at the top. All images have mouse-over popups with more information. For more information about the columns and categories, please consult the documentation and please get in touch on SuggestBot's talk page with any questions you might have.

SuggestBot picks articles in a number of ways based on other articles you've edited, including straight text similarity, following wikilinks, and matching your editing patterns against those of other Wikipedians. It tries to recommend only articles that other Wikipedians have marked as needing work. We appreciate that you have signed up to receive suggestions regularly; your contributions make Wikipedia better — thanks for helping!

If you have feedback on how to make SuggestBot better, please let us know on SuggestBot's talk page. -- SuggestBot (talk) 11:59, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

Missing categories?
Hey A, I saw you added the FM parameter to WikiProject Micronesia/class and WikiProject Polynesia/class; do you plan to create the FM-Class categories that are now required as a result of that addition? Thanks in advance, UnitedStatesian (talk) 01:58, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
 * those categories are as of now empty. I have gotten much blowback in the past from creating categories that are not populated, even quality assessment categories.  I have been monitoring them, as with the related categories, and gone through the file-class categories to find miscategorized images, but as of yet have not turned up any files to populate for every work group of those Wikiprojects.  --awkwafaba (📥) 02:54, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks, but the problem is that if you don't create the cats, the templates appear in Category:WPBannerMeta templates with missing assessment categories, which blows up to backlog level and then needs to be cleared (by someone else creating the categories). I would encourage you to go ahead and create them; while most empty categories should not be created, I don't think there is any issue creating empty assessment categories like these (and in fact all of them automatically contain the empty category template for administrators). Thanks in advance,  UnitedStatesian (talk) 03:02, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
 * that all makes sense. I’ll make the categories.  When someone deletes them, I’ll send them your way.  --awkwafaba (📥) 03:09, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks, sounds good, let me know when WikiProject Polynesia/class is fixed also. UnitedStatesian (talk) 05:01, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
 * I finished those and a few others I was responsible for. More than a few were recreations.  For example,  was deleted by  just on 20:50, 18 July 2021 (G6: Housekeeping and routine (non-controversial) cleanup), so I am not just pulling this out of nowhere. --awkwafaba (📥) 17:39, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I only have one issue: there should not be any categories for task forces (or projects) that are inactive.  That is why I removed the three inactive task forces from WikiProject Japan/class.  Accordingly I am going to revert your revert on that template.  Separately, I'll take care of the recreating Cambrian ones; I have raised that general point with Liz on my talk page. UnitedStatesian (talk) 18:12, 23 August 2021 (UTC)

Use of Citation bot
Hi Awkwafaba

I noticed that recent edits by have included AFC categories suggest by you, and other sets of draft-space pages.

Unfortunately, Citation bot has limited capacity, so en.wp is best served by directing it towards wherever it has maximum benefit. There are a few job series being fed to it which concentrate articles identified as having issues which the bot can fix, where it has a high success rate. Jobs which don't improve the 'pedia displace or delay the jobs which do.

In the case of drafts, a high proportion of AFC submissions are never published. Having the bot spend time processing pages which will never be published is effectively wasted bot time, which could otherwise be used to improve the published articles which our readers see.

A few recent bot edits caught my eye:
 * 1) Draft:Ivan Avakumović, from Category:AfC pending submissions by age/19 days ago‎: edit today, suggested by you; edit suggested by Eastmain on 15 August, from Category:Pending AfC submissions.
 * 2) Draft:Mark P. Trolice, also from Category:AfC pending submissions by age/19 days ago‎: edit today, suggested by you; editsuggested by Eastmain on 15 August, from Category:Pending AfC submissions.

Note that:
 * 1) Draft:Ivan Avakumović contains no evidence other than his obituary which could be used in support of a claim that he meets WP:NPROF.  That falls way short of notability, so that draft is going nowhere without a lot more sourcing
 * 2) Draft:Mark P. Trolice had been declined 4 times before either of its edits by citation bot.  It's going nowhere.

So I can't see how it is a good idea to have the bot process either of these pages at all, let alone to do so twice in ten days. And it appears that this overlap between the two job covers dozens of articles.

Then we have Draft:PolakVanBekkum, which was edited by Citation bot twice within an hour today, both edits suggested by you. That draft's latest pre-bot edit was on 1 March 2021‎, and even that was only a WP:REFUND undeletion. The last non-procedural human edit to that page was in November 2020‎, to a page whose AFC Submission was declined on 6 May 2020. So again, a draft going nowhere, edited twice by the bot.

Instead of taking up a lot of the bot's time with this repeated processing of articles which show no chance of being published, wouldn't it be better for anyone who tries to salvage one of those drafts to just feed that individual article to the bot? -- Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 19:39, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Okay, Okay, I won't do that anymore. --awkwafaba (📥) 01:48, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Awkwafaba. -- Brown HairedGirl  (talk) • (contribs) 01:53, 26 August 2021 (UTC)

Wisconsin Highways Task Force
USRD has a somewhat unique assessment scheme based on the sections, not the article length per se. It's not uncommon to find an article that a state project might assess as Start- or C-Class that USRD considers Stub- or Start-Class. In that situation, if the Wisconsin banner assesses an article differently and places it the same task force assessment categories, it will end up double assessed in the USRD metrics. That is the problem I seek to avoid.

USRD and state projects almost always have different importance assessments. If the Wisconsin banner assesses a highway article as low-importance that USRD considers mid-importance, and if the Wisconsin banner doesn't have the highways-importance set, the article will be placed in two sets of importance categories.

Finally, letting the Wisconsin banner assess for USRD may make it seem that the USRD banner is optional for state highway articles. However the USRD banner also categorizes articles on state, national and international levels for various assessment data.

In short, there are a number of issues, and while the Wisconsin project has no problem assessing USRD articles for itself, there are problems assessing them for USRD this way.  Imzadi 1979  →   16:48, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
 * You should be able to assess the task forces differently from the parent project, so that problem is easily avoided. You can improve the code in the WP WI template to match what is in the USRD remplate to eliminate any miscategorization.


 * I also don't see how having the TF under the WP WI banner makes the USRD template seem any more optional than it not being there. I see just as many editors adding only the WP WI banner and omitting the USRD banner as would omit it after adding the TF to the WI banner.  Plus if the TF is added, editors in USRD have a better chance of catching it and fixing whatever other errors may be present.  Otherwise one would have to monitor every WP and TF for every state and territory.   And again, if the code and documentation matches, then you can monitor everything in one location.  --awkwafaba (📥) 18:12, 26 August 2021 (UTC)

My new "Algospongia" article
Hi Awkwafaba, thanks for your edits to my new article Algospongia. I have spent several weeks with this in gestation and have published it after trying to resolve quite a few content issues (how to exactly say exactly what) since this is quite a "difficult" subject, so am grateful for the new pair of eyes!

You are correct in your last change, all Algae are not Plantae. I guess I was inferring this from historic treatments of some members of the group as Rhodophyta and Chlorophyta, which are plants, also from Vachard, 2021, who places Algospongia questionably between these 2 groups, as evolved from Cyanophyta. But "notionally" if they were closer to Phaeophyta they "could" be Chromista, or to Cyanophyta they "could" be Bacteria. Either way I am happy for your change, just wanted to explain the reason for my previous placement in Plantae.

Noting also that I added them the the template Template:Plant_classification, as incertae sedis under Archaeplastida, again formalising the view of Vachard, 2021 that they lie (questionably) between Rhodophyta and Chlorophyta. But maybe I should remove them there - what do you think? Of course if they are removed, then that template should also be removed from the Algospongia article; whether there is another that would be more applicable, I am not sure. Any advice/additional adjustments welcome. Cheers - Tony Rees Tony 1212 (talk) 19:17, 2 September 2021 (UTC)


 * nice to hear from you, and thank you for all the hard work you've been doing. I must admit, at first when I saw the article pop up in an error category I braced myself for some craziness, but soon saw it was not editor-driven, but a problem with the taxon itself.  The way that Taxoboxes work here is that you can only pick one parent, and if the taxonomy is wildly uncertain, it can be tricky to convey that (see all the Ediacaran biota).  So basically you just need to pick the best option.  You may also want to display in the taxobox that it is a questionable assignment.  I have not dived into the literature as you have, but I (no surprise) wouldn't place it under algae directly, as that is not really a taxon.  As Rhodophyta and Chlorophyta are under Archaeplastida you could put it as incertae sedis within that clade.  If you want to cover your bases and include Phaeophyta, you could put it as Plants+HC+SAR megagroup incertae sedis.  Cyanophyta would get the shaft either way, but if you roll that in, you have an ancestral clade that is basically LUCA.  But like I said, you can't have everyone happy, you have to pick one.  Good thing is that we can always update it when we find out more.  We can only do our best.  --awkwafaba (📥) 19:59, 2 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Look, I am happy with it being under "Algae" in the taxobox at this time, since this exactly coincides with the (slightly unsatisfactory) designation as "Algae incertae sedis" as favoured by the literature sources I have chosen to follow. If someone violently objects, I am guessing we (or they) can start a discussion on the article's talk page as to what to do if it needs changing... Cheers Tony Tony 1212 (talk) 20:15, 2 September 2021 (UTC)

Articles you might like to edit, from SuggestBot
Note: All columns in this table are sortable, allowing you to rearrange the table so the articles most interesting to you are shown at the top. All images have mouse-over popups with more information. For more information about the columns and categories, please consult the documentation and please get in touch on SuggestBot's talk page with any questions you might have.

SuggestBot picks articles in a number of ways based on other articles you've edited, including straight text similarity, following wikilinks, and matching your editing patterns against those of other Wikipedians. It tries to recommend only articles that other Wikipedians have marked as needing work. We appreciate that you have signed up to receive suggestions regularly; your contributions make Wikipedia better — thanks for helping!

If you have feedback on how to make SuggestBot better, please let us know on SuggestBot's talk page. -- SuggestBot (talk) 11:36, 3 September 2021 (UTC)

Articles you might like to edit, from SuggestBot
Note: All columns in this table are sortable, allowing you to rearrange the table so the articles most interesting to you are shown at the top. All images have mouse-over popups with more information. For more information about the columns and categories, please consult the documentation and please get in touch on SuggestBot's talk page with any questions you might have.

SuggestBot picks articles in a number of ways based on other articles you've edited, including straight text similarity, following wikilinks, and matching your editing patterns against those of other Wikipedians. It tries to recommend only articles that other Wikipedians have marked as needing work. We appreciate that you have signed up to receive suggestions regularly; your contributions make Wikipedia better — thanks for helping!

If you have feedback on how to make SuggestBot better, please let us know on SuggestBot's talk page. -- SuggestBot (talk) 11:35, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

Template:WikiProject France/class
Hi there. Did you discuss changing the assessment model with the WikiProject, or elsewhere? Regards &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 08:03, 30 September 2021 (UTC)
 * what specifically would you like discussed about it? --awkwafaba (📥) 11:36, 30 September 2021 (UTC)
 * Why did you change the template and don't you think you should have consulted the WikiProject first? Template editors are not supposed to be making significant changes to templates without consensus. &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 06:53, 1 October 2021 (UTC)
 * WP:BOLD my friend. Also the talk page for the project is pretty listless, with very few conversations involving more than one person.  I don’t think that was a significant change either, it mainly affected redirects.  But I ask again, what specifically about the changes would you like to discuss?  --awkwafaba (📥) 11:33, 1 October 2021 (UTC)

Articles you might like to edit, from SuggestBot
Note: All columns in this table are sortable, allowing you to rearrange the table so the articles most interesting to you are shown at the top. All images have mouse-over popups with more information. For more information about the columns and categories, please consult the documentation and please get in touch on SuggestBot's talk page with any questions you might have.

SuggestBot picks articles in a number of ways based on other articles you've edited, including straight text similarity, following wikilinks, and matching your editing patterns against those of other Wikipedians. It tries to recommend only articles that other Wikipedians have marked as needing work. We appreciate that you have signed up to receive suggestions regularly; your contributions make Wikipedia better — thanks for helping!

If you have feedback on how to make SuggestBot better, please let us know on SuggestBot's talk page. -- SuggestBot (talk) 11:37, 1 October 2021 (UTC)