User talk:Bishonen/Archive 13

RFC
A number of users stated that informal means were not likely to help or be desired, and either formal discussion, or discussion at a neutral venue, was preferable. I have therefore posted a statement of concern at Requests for comment/Bishonen (2).

FT2 (Talk 06:39, 3 August 2009 (UTC)


 * That should be Bishonen 3. Not likely to help with what? Bishonen | talk 08:03, 3 August 2009 (UTC).
 * Yes, don't let the provocations get to you. El_C 10:45, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Hun-nee! Chippie! Bishonen | talk 11:01, 3 August 2009 (UTC).
 * I have some spare time, so I'll try to be around for this. El_C 11:41, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Ho ho ho, what a very silly mistake. Giano (talk) 19:43, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

←I have closed the RFC. Hopefully we can all move on in a positive and productive fashion. Best to all. — Ched : ?  10:37, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I didn't see this, or I'd have been quick to join the cupcake brigade. Just for the record and all. Heimstern Läufer (talk) 07:05, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh, I have some left over. Help yourself, Homestar! Bishonen | talk 09:12, 7 August 2009 (UTC).
 * Well, I meant that I would be in the brigade to deliver cupcakes to you, but the reverse works too! 谢谢！ Heimstern Läufer (talk) 17:56, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

Motion Passed
Hello Bishonen, just noting for the record that the Arbitration Committee has passed a motion relating to you at WP:AC/N.

On behalf of the Arbitration Committee,  MBisanz  talk 04:59, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

AGFing
Remember our old friend Fil? One of Wikipedia wisely long gone greats – well sometimes assuming good faith can be [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AFiliocht&diff=306334243&oldid=305066616 terribly hard] can't it? Good job I have such a lovely nature, and aways see the best in people, but then of course [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:SlimVirgin&curid=17624358&diff=306401093&oldid=306400054 why not]? Giano (talk) 16:36, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

My regrets
For the Vasa (ship) sinking 381 years ago today. It only sailed a mile, but it was a good mile. Jehochman Talk 20:22, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Ah, yes indeed. "Thirty men ran back and forth across the upper deck to start the ship rolling, but the admiral stopped the test after they had made only three trips, as he feared the ship would capsize." A fine example of the reproducibility principle: "If reproducibility is a problem, conduct the experiment only once." I think Peter Isotalo is largely responsible for our excellent Featured article on Vasa. Bishonen | talk 20:49, 10 August 2009 (UTC).

We must rally to the cause of distressed noble-folks
Dearest Mrs Bishonen, life (or what passes for life in my case) has become too stressful for words – the forces of evil are trying to delete one of my dearest and latest friends Adelgunde – please try to save her, we have all these deathly drear British baronets (I dare say many of them deviant alcoholics too) and yet the likes of poor dear Addy look set to be wiped from the face of Wikipedia, is their no justice in the world, far be it from me to draw attention to this travesty, but should you have inclination – please vote to save Addy here; Darlingest Giano is there bravely manning the fort alone, but we must all rally together to avoid a repeat of what happened to poor Tristan und Isolde or was it that wretched woman in Tosca...Oh my poor mind, it's going – never mind to the ramparts...Lady Catherine de Burgh (the Late) (talk) 22:16, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Ramparts? You mean "Damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead", don't you? It sounds like your poor mind went long ago. Anyway, this is Toxic Avenger at your service, I'll be your waiter for this evening, and guard Bishonen's page in direct consequence of our having been too tolerant, for too long, of toxic personalities. Now then, you know how we well-connected drawing-room revolutionaries feel about kings, queens, princesses, godkings, and the whole "distressed gentlefolks" folderol. Tell dear Giano (tactfully, with his poor démodé notions!) that it's time he and you entered the 19th century or thereabouts. Bishonen seems less than enthusiastic about having those pauvres honteux of his milling around on her page. Tristan and Isolde, indeed...snort! Toxic Avenger (talk) 00:24, 18 August 2009 (UTC).
 * And I say to you Toxic, that the world was a far better place in thos distant days and far better governed. I remember only too well when Daddy was Governor of America (or some similar colony in those parts) any dissent and he would shoot, hang and flog them – and do you know? Many of them came afterwards and said "Thank you Lord Scrotum – I am now a better person" you see in those days people knew respect and the world was better for it. Now any Editor-en-passent can just come along and insult people like Addy and myself – I feel quite violated on her behalf – the world has lost its finesse Lady Catherine de Burgh (the Late) (talk) 06:02, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Hello Mrs. (or was it Miss – sorry, I forgot) Lady de Burgh. Sorry for intruding into your conversation, but I think you are in the best position to solve this problem. Can you give an independent confirmation that Mrs. Hubert's article is not a BLP article, and perhaps even her date and place of death? Thank you so much for your help. Hans Adler 06:33, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
 * In the polite society which Her Highness and I inhabit Mr Adler, it is considered inpolite and incivil to ask a Lady let alone a Highness for personal dates – so I refuse to answer your question. Just remember, and we need to be very clear about this, very clear indeed, about the grounds for deleteting a Princess of a Royal House – otherwise my contraversial nephew, Giano, will use it as an excuse to wipe half the inherited titles of the British beerage from Wikipedia. I am a woman of great foresight – a result no doubt of much fine breeding. Lady Catherine de Burgh (the Late) (talk) 20:02, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
 * So I can take it that it is true that Mrs Prinzessin von Hohenzollern (or should I say Mrs Prinzessin von Hohenzollern-Sigmaringen – if I remember correctly she got the double name in her first marriage, but then she was divorced, and then... Oh what an interesting and exciting life! I so hope I am not making any stupid mistakes with all these Titles and Ruffs and Honours!) So I can take it that she has indeed joined you in the polite society which you yourself have joined so recently and, if I may venture to say so, far too early and to everybody's great surprise and distress, too. Or presumably rather the other way round, that is to say, if I am not mistaken then she actually preceded... Oh, but I get your hint, Mrs Ka, some Ladies don't want to be reminded of their birth date and so it is not surprising if perhaps some may also not like to speak openly about... In any case I am relieved now. I am sure Mrs Sigmaringen-Hess was – is – a very nice woman and all when you get the chance to meet her, which due to her high position (I believe her current resting-place is located in the Alps?) is not something I would personally look up to... but I must say it is a relief to know that there is no chance of finding a letter in my letter box tomorrow morning, telling me that from now on my windows are subject to a tax which Mrs Prinzessin von Baden-Baden found fit to levy for the benefit of her drawbridge. I really feel that this makes it much less pressing to delete Mrs Zollstock's house.
 * Regarding your last sentence – Mrs Burgh, I must say, I am not that kind of man, being not yet divorced and all and having to take care of the child that I already have, and my reputation, and anyway, I don't see how this should work in practice if I understand what you are driving at, and... really, I am a bit surprised to hear such language from a lady, even the word being qualified with "fine", as it is. But I am sure I would not want to disturb your peace in such a way. In any case thank you very much for your help. Hans Adler 22:35, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Werter Herr Adler, one must insist that it is never, ever "Mrs Prinzessin" or any suchlike vulgarity. Neither is it yours to decide whether the princess is entitled to be adressed as "Royal Highness", "Serene Highness" or some other similarly distinguished style. I can assure you that the cultivated discourse entertained by the esteemed visitors of dear Mrs Bishonen's parlour shall never be degraded by lapses in civility. Kindly adhere to the customs and habits and your opinion shall be heard. By the way, "your obedient servant" always makes a good complimentary phrase. Kosebamse (talk) 06:10, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Hey there, Plushy Teddy! Long time! Little Toxic 09:59, 19 August 2009 (UTC).
 * Though I hear that certain toxic personalities are tolerated here as of lately, I am not aware of having been introduced to you, Mr Toxic. I must insist that you restrain yourself and abstain from any use of intimacies, or I shall have to call upon Mrs Bishonen to maintain orderly behavior in her parlour. By the way, be advised that fooling around with teddy bears can entail unwanted consequences. Grim Grizzly


 * Oh my! I certainly hope that the most honorable and venerable "Bishzilla" does not catch wind of this conversation. <* /me looks over both shoulders at the pure mention of this thought *> — Ched :  ?  14:08, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh fiddle-faddle, werter Herr Grizzly. It is well known that you run a well-appointed Kindergarten, chiefly for the benefit of the younger bishsocks. Can't you see Little Toxic Personality wishes to enroll under your able supervision and cavort and disport with Little Stupid? (Hey, incidentally, what happened to Big Stupid?) I know what a soft heart you have under that crusty exterior. As for Bishzilla... yeah, we all hope she won't notice this conversation. Bishonen | talk 20:44, 19 August 2009 (UTC).

Question ...
on WP:N. I recently became aware of an article up for AfD, and I notice that the honorable and venerable late Lady Catherine, and the mysterious superhero "Toxic Avenger" have also been discussing this issue. Being from the US, and the fact that the closest thing we have to royalty is perhaps the Kennedy family of the 1960's, I am in search of knowledge here. Is there any policy or guideline that either explicitly or implicitly indicates that "Royalty" inherits notability via their title or figurehead status? Personally, I think these items should be a no-brainer as far as inclusion, but I haven't found anything yet that I can link to in policy or guideline. I'd appreciate any advice you could offer on this, and I thank you for the use of your talk page. My very best to the family. ;) — Ched : ?  12:36, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Answer
My friend Toxic A takes a certain pride, I believe, in knowing less than nothing of such matters, Ched. Nevertheless, you have come to the right place; Giano is a notable expert. Giacomo? You're needed ! Bishonen | talk 20:03, 18 August 2009 (UTC).
 * Furthermore to my learned friend above, confusing members of a royal dynasty and the members of an hereditory aristocracy is a dangerous mistake for Wikipedia to make. Assuming you are asking seriously Chad – I don't want to patronise – the aristocracy springs from the sovereigh, who creates them – the sovereign, his heirs and by association his family (don't laugh because this is how these things function) is appointed by God – hence the sacrement of coronation. This is why Royal Dukes and assorted titles, in all Kingdoms take precedence over ordinary Dukes and so forth. In Europe, certain aristocrats are termed "of the Holy Roman Empire" they take precedence over lesser peers who hold equal titles, but without the "Roman Empire," and so on – it is all very complicated and rather silly. However, if Wikipedia declares a member of a Royal House non-notable, then all the other heriditory peers and baronets on Wikipedia loose their case to be notable too. You see I am rather playing Devil's advocate. Giano (talk) 20:16, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, I was entirely serious with the question. I apologize for being so ignorant about the topic(s), but World history was not something that was really a large scale curriculum when I attended high-school.  By the time I could afford to return to higher education, I focused on IT and computer related classes.  Most of my "history" education revolved around "American history" – primarily mid 1940's through the late 1960's."  Anyway, I see I have a bit of research to do before I can ask an intelligent question here.  If I am understanding this, Nobility can come from not only political venues, but from religious and social standing venues as well.  That's simply something that I was completely oblivious to.  To be perfectly honest, I was not even aware of the term "Baronet" until I started editing at WP.  Giano (and Bishonen), I want to thank you for your time here.  It's probably laughable if not shocking that Americans can be so ignorant of what "Royalty" is, but it was something that our forefathers shunned when we decided to "go it alone" so to speak. Again, thank you both – hopefully you won't mind if I drop by from time to time and maybe ask a few more questions.  Best to all. ;) — Ched :  ?  00:15, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I think you needn't worry about this gap, as it's not a specifically American problem. Having grown up in Germany in a family that would never wear loden capes and is generally not informed about wood prices, but also doesn't read the segment of the yellow press that focuses on the Royals, I have only a very sketchy idea myself. Hans Adler 08:39, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

There was once Notability (royalty), however it was scrapped two years ago. By the way unlike for example in the British peerage/baronetage, all children of German nobles were/are nobles themselves, so their number was generally cumulatively, resulting in the emergence of many cadet branches. Combined with the number of kings, reigning granddukes, dukes or princes, who all could confer titles, present-day Germany has probably enough nobles to populate some smaller coutries. Phoe  talk   18:26, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Since 1919 Germany has exactly zero nobles. Article 109 of the Weimar Constitution: "[...]   Öffentlich-rechtliche Vorrechte oder Nachteile der Geburt oder des Standes sind aufzuheben. Adelsbezeichnungen gelten nur als Teil des Namens und dürfen nicht mehr verliehen werden. Titel dürfen nur verliehen werden, wenn sie ein Amt oder einen Beruf bezeichnen; akademische Grade sind hierdurch nicht betroffen. [...]" Approximate translation: "All public privileges or advantages of birth or status are abolished. Titles of nobility are considered part of the name only and may no longer be granted. Titles may only be granted if they describe an office or occupation; academic degrees are not affected." Obviously there was no need to repeat this so clearly in the Grundgesetz. In German passports, forms, etc., anything that is remotely official (or just standard), there is no way to indicate a title of nobility. Even just getting a title of nobility abroad was illegal under that constitution, but I think this has changed. Btw, Austria was more radical. They didn't just put the titles into the names, they got rid of them even in appearance.
 * And there aren't all that many people with funny names, either. It's about as likely to meet a Dutch person whose name starts with "van" in Germany as a German whose name starts with "von". Hans Adler 18:52, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Italy is very similar, all titles we incorporated into the surname, a few nouveau ones were abolished, and then things returned to normal – like countries all over Europe there are sill Marcheses living like Marcheses on their estates. However, the thing to remember, and this is especially true in Germany, for the children to have true noble rank, both parents have to have noble rank by birth – so there was no scooping up the local wealthy butcher or banker's daughter as was the custom in England – so when it comes to blue blood the European noble's is generally bluer – which presents even more more a problem for some of the poor old lack lustre baronets and expelled peers wanting a wiki-page; and also explains contrary to Phoe's point why Germany is not overun with Wagnerian Lady Catherine's (My aunt, Lady Catherine incidentally has 64 quarterings – making her more than eligible for presentation at the Hofburg.) Giano (talk) 20:25, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't know which names exactly you consider funny, however I know of a "Prinz von der Leyen und zu Hohengeroldseck" in immediate proximity, whose signature clearly needs endurance. Regarding the number of people with a "von, zu, auf, Freiherr, Graf ect" in their surnames, take a look into German politics (von Weizsäcker, von Lambsdorff, von und zu Guttenberg, von der Leyen, von Beust, von Stetten) or into German economy (von Schimmelmann, von Richthofen, von Meerheimb, von Oppenheim, von Loeffelholz, von Krockow) ... and even in everyday occurrences we have in my experiences certainly not a deficit, at least here in Baden. :-)
 * Sorry Bishonen for cluttering up your talkpage with this – I will stop now, hack off my fingers and dispose of them. Best wishes Phoe   talk   02:10, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
 * An admirable plan. Madam, you are a model for us all! Graf Toxic von Avenger, 09:19, 20 August 2009 (UTC).
 * What! no Wikipedia page for Von und zu? It's all very well to be von, but it's zu that counts day-to-day.--Wetman (talk) 06:11, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Two minor points about the german nobility. It was in fact customary for nobles to marry among themselves, but pure noble ancestry was not a requirement for the children to be considered noble themselves, so scooping up the banker's daughter was certainly a possibility (and still is; though german nobility contnues to exist without any official status, it exists nonetheless). "Von" roughly indicates origin, while "zu" (if I am not entirely mistaken) indicates current (or even former) possession or affiliation. Cf. Jimbo von und zu Wikipedia vs. Larry von Wikipedia, but not von und zu Wikipedia. Kosebamse (talk) 07:22, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
 * very good examples!--Wetman (talk) 04:05, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Phoe, I consider everything that goes beyond "von" funny. If you live in a different stratum of society you may feel differently about it, of course. As to the van/von ratio, that was based on my experience in the educational system from elementary school up to university level; and all in Baden. Maybe it's different in Baden-Baden. The funniest name I know may not be an official one. When I heard a physics course in Heidelberg, a friend of mine found a ridiculous yellow magazine style article about our professor in an engineering magazine. It described the ugly concrete campus outside the city in a way that conjured up images of Heidelberg Castle, said that he was somehow entitled to "Gans edler Herr zu" (yes, Gans = goose, not ganz = very!), and mentioned his problems growing up in East Germany with such a name. I don't know his real last name; he doesn't even use the zu on his homepage, and I have seen Freiherr elsewhere. Hans Adler 09:08, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
 * PS: Sorry about your fingers. If you still have them, just have them sewn on again and let's continue on my talk page if Bishonen doesn't want us here. Hans Adler 09:10, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
 * PPS: I forgot to mention what makes the name I mentioned really funny. His first name is Gisbert, making the full form of his name/"title" start with the German for Gisbert Goose. I guess he wasn't happy about this article. Hans Adler 09:14, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
 * P3S: The German Wikipedia has an article on the family. de:Gans zu Putlitz I try not to mention the name here, since all this is not his fault. Hans Adler 09:33, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Idea
Hi Bishonen, I have an idea but I'm not really sure where to go with it. I'm hoping you can help me out.

On problem that I sometimes come across are dead links to sources that were once used to prove a point. Sometimes you can find a second link, othertimes not so much. What I think Wikipedia ought to consider encouraging people to do is to make use of the Web Citation website. People use webcitation.org to create static copies of dynamic webpages which can then be used as academic references without fear of the page being taken down or modified.

What do you think? --*Kat* (talk) 18:25, 26 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Oh, hi there, *Kat*! I remember your weirdo blinking barnstar so well after all these years. ;-) Hmmm. I'm not really good with links. Those static copies won't be taken down or modified, granted; which is fine for an academic reference; but won't a copy of something like a newspaper article be likely to start to "die", in the sense of losing interest, as soon as we publish it? Perhaps I'm totally misunderstanding how it would work.


 * Anyway; I think the best place to float your idea is the Featured Article Candidates' talkpage, WT:FAC. Regards, Bishonen | talk 20:17, 26 August 2009 (UTC).


 * Hi Bish, Anybody who creates a full blown article on European Toilet Paper Holders and has it featured on the front page on April Fools day absolutely deserves an oddball barnstar. It (and that year's prank) were among the things that made that April Fool's Day truly memorable.


 * Re: My idea...the idea came to me after one of the references in the article on sharks turned out to be a 404. Once upon a time it had been a real, live, page but for some reason its publisher had removed the article.  That is something that will never happen if we cite references that have been stored in the WebCitation archives because we won't be linking the reader to the story's parent-site, we would be linking them to an archived (think cached) page that will never, ever be taken down.  Does that make better sense? --*Kat* (talk) 03:39, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Admin task
Hello my friend. Would you push a magic button and speedy delete Talk:Bubonic plague/Comments? An anon editor created this page in 2008 to ask a question. The page has been generally unnoticed since 2008. I moved the question, with my response, to Talk:Bubonic plague. I've been monitoring your page during my limited time here over the last several months. I'm glad to see that you coped with the drama and tension and are still with us. You are immensely valuable here. Best always. WBardwin (talk) 00:26, 28 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Done. Prodego  talk  00:33, 28 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Thank you! Fast work.  WBardwin (talk) 00:35, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, W, I hope all is well with you. How are the autoblocks? Bishonen | talk 01:05, 28 August 2009 (UTC).


 * the AOL autoblocks are long gone..........my employer shifted our home accounts to MSN! But I don't have nearly enough time to work on Wikipedia, so my edits are down.  Hope all things are improving for you.  WBardwin (talk) 01:27, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Sockpuppets and Sockpuppets


Can you think of any users whom you have had conflicts in the past that would fit this obvious SPA's bill?—  Dæ dαlus Contribs  01:08, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Those contribs are much too general for me to identify. I can't even think of the "top brass" that's protecting me—people I would really like to meet! Where are you, brass? Come to little 'shonen! Bishonen | talk 01:50, 28 August 2009 (UTC).
 * Too bad, I was looking forwards to filing that SPI and rooting out any sleepers. But then again, the winds know another is going to pop up sooner or later.—  Dæ dαlus Contribs  01:54, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
 * @Bish; O'Hai, I haz pair o' brass onez ;) and I'z watchliste teh moarins. Cheers, Jack Merridew 02:09, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Little friends should always be protected. ;) The silent one 03:44, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Confirmed.—  Dæ dαlus Contribs  07:12, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
 * O'Hai, little Brass! To think I never guessed that one. [Feels a right Charlie.] But then I merely thought in terms of somebody I was in conflict with, and I have no conflict with that user. Check out the link, Giacomo—I guess you're the one with the conflict. Thanks, Daedalus. Bishonen | talk 09:41, 28 August 2009 (UTC).

To whom it may concern: Bishonen/Jimbo Wales redux (what, not again?)
I have posted a question on Carcharoth's well-hidden page User:Carcharoth/Arbitration philosophy and pledges, in case anybody wishes to comment. Bishonen | talk 14:53, 28 August 2009 (UTC).

Sorry
about reverting your edit on NYB's talkpage. Stupid misclick. — Kusma talk 17:05, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
 * No problem. Bishonen | talk 18:20, 28 August 2009 (UTC).

Account list
Do you happen to have a list of all your accounts somewhere? If not maybe you could make one, just to keep it clear? No big deal either way, just a suggestion. Prodego talk  18:33, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
 * No, I don't happen to. All the accounts are marked as being my alternative accounts. And I'm supposed to list them because Mattisse chooses to attack me in a fit of hatred, self-pity, and WP:BATTLE? Great idea. Bishonen | talk 18:46, 28 August 2009 (UTC).
 * I know they are linked, I was just wondering if you happened to have created a list. You don't need to of course. Prodego  talk  18:48, 28 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Mr Prodego, on this occasion only, I am prepared to overlook your impertinence and lack of good manners. I make no comment on Ms Mattisse, but in polite society one never asks a lady to remove her mask, just imagine what would happen in the world if one did – Oh shudder! When in doubt on these matters, as you clearly are,  I suggest you say to yourself; "Would Tristan have said that of Isolda?" and then, if the answer is: "No, he would not", then keep your questions to yourself. Always remember Abelard and Elouise, or was Romeo and Juliet? anyway we all know what happened there and it was very nasty indeed. These things cannot be explained.  Lady Catherine de Burgh (the Late) (talk) 19:03, 28 August 2009 (UTC)


 * I have no idea what you are talking about, nor does it appear to be relevant or interesting in any way, so I am going to ignore it. If you actually have something useful you want to say to me, then please, try again, and this time get to the point. Prodego  talk  19:36, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
 * So you have no idea what I am talking about? Let me assure you, I am always interesting. No idea why a lady wears a mask? You are clearly the sort of person who has never made love in your box at La Scala to – Like I suspect Randy from Boise, you fail to realise the point of opera, boxes and masks Lady Catherine de Burgh (the Late) (talk) 22:52, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Who's the Bosse now?
Forgive my terrible punning. Anyway, just wanted to say it's great to see your writing on the main page. Congrats yet again. Heimstern Läufer (talk) 06:34, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Tee hee. Thanks, Runner. :-) Bishonen | talk 09:11, 30 August 2009 (UTC).
 * Yes indeed, most gratifying to see poor Harriet on the main page – a sweet little effort on your part – very clever. Of course I could be there myself, but people like myself shun publicity for the ostentation that it is, but I'm sure that Harriet is pleased to see herself there, not being as exalted as me. In fact, it's quite a good page, in its own way, although I do feel she was a little naive with her men and that lead image looks, to me, as though she has burnt her brassiere – always a mistake – men like a firm up-wired bosom – trust me on that one! Did I mention that darlingest Giano is going to write up Scrotum Towers for the main page – it's considered one of the finest examples of Asylum Gothic in Britain. Anyhow, I can't stop here flattering you all day, I've arranged a welcoming sherry party for Teddy – such a talented man, I wonder if he plays bridge – he could give me a lift to the party? Lady Catherine de Burgh (the Late) (talk) 17:42, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
 * [/me makes a note about the perky bosoms, to be sure of remembering Lady C's good advice. ] What a pity it is that you don't have leisure to flatter me all day, dear Lady Catherine! Please tell me—the rich interest of your life is confusing me a little—is Scrotum Towers in the Cayman Islands? Or am I thinking of the yacht? With admiration as always, Bishonen | talk 22:06, 30 August 2009 (UTC).
 * I was wondering if the Scrotum Towers might not be upon the "Testic isles"? ;) — Ched : ?  22:12, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Contain your vulgarity. Both of you clearly are unable to recognise your piles. Scrotum Towers is my ancestral home in Northamptonshire; it is my beloved nephew, Giano, who is exiled for tax, personal and legal reasons to the Cayman Islands. Personally, between ourselves, his Palazzo Splendido there is just the teensiest bit minimalist and unhomely. It's all very well having Velasquez and Dali on the walls and one solitary Meshkabad in a see of white marble, but I like a little shagpile around my inglenook with a nice cheerful dead-life Landseer above. Lady Catherine de Burgh (the Late) (talk) 22:30, 30 August 2009 (UTC)


 * My sincere apologies honorable Lady Catherine, I meant no disrespect. It was only an attempt to bring a smile to your heart.  I stand admonished, and ask forgiveness. — Ched :  ?  22:43, 30 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Jumpers, Lady Cate hasn't been buried yet? She's a tough cookie. GoodDay (talk) 19:54, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Sorry to hear ...
... that you're not feeling well Bishonen. I hope it's nothing serious, and I hope you feel better soon. Best. — Ched : ?  21:23, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Cough cough. [Heroically:] Oh, it's nothing. Nuff-fin. Cough. [/me cracks a rib. ] A mere trifle! Bishonen | talk 22:04, 6 September 2009 (UTC).


 * I suspect you are underplaying it a bit, it doesn't sound (from here) to be a "mere trifle". If you have any children, parents, boyfriend/husband, or friends – let them pamper you a bit.  Since I'm not a doctor, I can only offer a picture of some Chicken Noodle Soup, and hope you mend quickly.  Please take care of yourself.  All my best. ;) — Ched :  ?  23:08, 6 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Poor poor little 'shonen! So brave! Gimme soup! Bishonen | talk 01:15, 7 September 2009 (UTC).


 * [Hopefully ] Any opium in that bottle? Kick like a horse? Bishonen | talk 01:15, 7 September 2009 (UTC).
 * Eh, I think you'd be stuck with its less talented cousin....Casliber (talk · contribs) 08:33, 7 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Best wishes ;) fyi, I once got sick in a different tropical country and the doctor gave me a honking-huge looking injection of morphine to make me feel better (worked; I sat right up, the needle was still in my arm;), then he gave me antibiotics to make me get well. The morphine soon put me to sleep and the other sorted stuff over the next week. Local Bali remedy is a "Hot Lemon" drink. And it's amazing what you can buy over the counter here. Sincerely, Jack Merridew 09:51, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Mmmm, codeine, not bad. Doesn't actually help against what ails you, but makes you a fun person again! In my wild youth, you used to be able to buy large bottles of codeine pills OTC in the UK at Marks and Sparks of all places. And ephedrine ad libitum in Spain! Good ole Europe! [Little 'shonen goes off into drug-sodden dreams of pills.] Speaking of which, where did El C disappear to? Honey, where are you? Where are the chipmunks? When's the wedding? Bishonen | talk 10:27, 7 September 2009 (UTC). Opium not good. Causes wars in Heim's back yard. =/ Heimstern Läufer (talk) 11:00, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

What little Heim's back yard needs is a nice peaceful opium den, with water pipes and plenty of cough mixture. User:Thomas de Quincey.18:03, 7 September 2009 (UTC)




 * I am not the least sorry to hear you are unwell. Illness and the sick are repugnant to me; I have never endured a days's illness in my life (even when I had one); one of the irritating things about being dead is that one is forced to mix with malingerers and those claiming to have been ill – to find you, Mrs Bishonen, have joined the ranks of the sickly wikipedian is deeply dissapointing. Take an aspirin or a young lover or something and pull yourself together. Lady Catherine de Burgh (the Late) (talk) 20:53, 7 September 2009 (UTC)


 * [Humbly] Cough cough cough cough cough cough cough cough cough cough cough cough cough cough cough yes Lady Catherine. Bishonen | talk 21:54, 7 September 2009 (UTC).
 * Oh do stop spluttering germs all over people, it's crowded enough up here, without you sending even more prematurely. You won't find find a lover if you croak about like that – oh no. Men like healthy robust women, preferably with firm foundation garments, I have not had my considerable success in that department without learning a thing or two. This is what happens, all that brassiere burning, emaciation and leaving off clothes (I've seen you Swedes wandering about naked in the ice fields frightening the wilderbeasts and polar bears) – people catch chills and coughs and spread diseases – that Germaine Greer woman and her librettos and suffragists and whatnot have a lot to answer for. Lady Catherine de Burgh (the Late) (talk) 22:21, 7 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Over in these civilised countries, you can still buy laudanum capsules over the internet ("Can only be sold at a Payden's Pharmacist's discretion" – how does that work, exactly?), never mind over the counter. Roll on the twentieth century... – iride  scent  23:13, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Get well soon! – Juliancolton  &#124; Talk 23:44, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

[/me runs her eye over all the handsome young men crowding onto her page proffering nostrums and chicken soup, and considers Lady Catherine's good advice about taking a young lover.] Hmmm. OK you guys, please form an orderly line! El C to the front! Bishonen | talk 00:00, 8 September 2009 (UTC).


 * Is "young" and absolute requirement? ... Age does have experience on its side  — Ched : ?  04:17, 8 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Hmm. Oh, very well, as long as you're frisky enough to cavort naked through the icefields, you're young enough. I really meant "young in relation to Lady Catherine"! Bishonen | talk 09:45, 8 September 2009 (UTC).



For help in a delicate matter, in a personal place
I hereby award you, with all due solemnity (which is to say not very much at all) this highly prestigious and edible award "The Sandwich of Exceptional Excellence". This award is to those editors who do good work in all the various places, warts and all, and also to editors who look a little bit hungry. Wear it with pride, noble wiki-warrior, and may the napkin of dignity be ever present! Best regards, LessHeard vanU (talk) 12:41, 8 September 2009 (UTC)


 * Didn't I say let's never... oh, well. Thank you. Just what I wanted! [/me dons bib, to keep napkin of dignity spotless.] Bishonen | talk 13:49, 8 September 2009 (UTC).


 * Amazingly, plain old aspirin (preferably the type that dissolves clear in water), two every four hours, will reduce fever significantly and make you feel better. Tony   (talk)  16:37, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Or gin. 92.10.196.140 (talk) 16:45, 8 September 2009 (UTC)


 * [Again, irrepressively hopeful: ] And/or? Bishonen | talk 17:53, 8 September 2009 (UTC).

Oh very wise, Tony, I was only saying to Stanslas yesterday, if an aspirin doesn't work one may as well die because nothing else will work, all of this fiddling about with medicine, what has been the result? People getting all sorts of complaints and ailments – all of their own imagination – it seems to me Doctors find a cure, claim a prize, and then have to invent some horrendous disease that it fails to cure. My current abode is packed with these people whose cures failed! I say to them – take an aspirin – and they just look at me as though it's me that's mad – they are currently all signing a petition to the Almighty to have me restored permanently to life, but I have become indispensable here – I had to say to the gatekeeper smarten yourself up and have a shave, first appearances count – apparently he's complained to the Management, but I'm sure they will come around to my way of thinking. It's all very well thinking "Kingdom of Heaven" what is my forbears had settled for that – the Kingdom of England would never have become an empire, and then, where would the world have been? Anyway, dear Mrs Bishonen, can't stop here all day gossiping to you, Stanislas (a darling boy) has popped over from Poland to plumb my new shower, the British would-be-plumbers have all gone awf to new universities that one has never heard of to to take BSCs and Doctorates  in cameracraft and other futile Boy-Scout-badge subjects (where they, no doubt, lounge about all day becoming Wikipedia administrators) so that the reigning Labour Party can doctor the unemployment figures. Perhaps, I should return to life, my country clearly needs me. Lady Catherine de Burgh (the Late) (talk) 18:56, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

--> Inserted I was needed? why? when? My apologies! I've been in the Real WorldTM KillerChihuahua ?!?Advice 00:10, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, who put a penny in you, you old bawd? Give it a rest, why don't you? Yap yap yap all day long! Where's User:KillerChihuahua when you need her? Where's the dino? Hey, Bishzilla, aren't you hungry today? How about letting a person cough in peace? [The Bishonen Baby vengefully flings a fistful of mashed-up turnips at Lady C. ] Bishonen | talk 19:55, 8 September 2009 (UTC).
 * It's quite apparent that your illness has caused you to be overwrought and emotional, so I will overlook your rude outburst, and that child needs a stricter nanny. Take my advice or those table maners will persist. You might like to buy (£9.99) a copy of "Firm Child Rearing" by C de Burgh (Lady), it's available from Amazon. I suggest you read it during your obviously needed convelescence. Lady Catherine de Burgh (the Late) (talk) 21:13, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Please forgive me, I have a fever! It's made me very frank! (KillerChihuahua, where are you? Help! Save the baby!) Bishonen | talk 00:12, 9 September 2009 (UTC).
 * The big lovable oaf Member of the Puppy Cabal responding in proxy of our leader  (translation: Bushzilla, we are in need of assistance. A fearsome (yet majestic) Ka threatens a defenseless child.  We must offer protection)



Why lady Catherine, I must say that I am quite impressed by your work with the young lad. Perhaps one day he shall even grow to become a King of some import. It appears that my concerns for the tyke's safety were unfounded.  ;) — Ched : ?  21:30, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Ohh, baby saving! Excellent work, Ched. Well done. Carry on. Ta. KillerChihuahua ?!?Advice 00:12, 11 September 2009 (UTC)




 * Hi there, Killah! Hiding in the RW, were you? A bad business! Do you see the Puppy Cabal has acquired a frisky new member? Half fish, half tetrapod. Keeping the puppies remotely dog-like seems to be a bit of a full-time job. You'd better appoint a gate-keeper. Bishonen | talk 08:12, 11 September 2009 (UTC).
 * Noted and responded[//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3ABishapod&diff=313099679&oldid=306463505], indeed, before I had posted here. Perhaps LittleStupid is also a LittleSlow? :-P Hope you are feeling much better soonest!!!! KillerChihuahua ?!?Advice 12:58, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Never have a dog on the bed, my dear, remember fleas and parasites and such things, cleanliness is next to Godliness. While I'm here, remember, a blue bedroom is very unwise; cold colour not conducive to sleep, or a blue dining room, it never flatters the food. Am I the only person here who knows the basic common rules of interior design and hygiene? Lady Catherine de Burgh (the Late) (talk) 13:12, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I looked for a better image on commons, and found this instead. One does what one can with what one has. Please forgive my war cake and imagine instead, if you will, one rich with both butter and eggs. KillerChihuahua ?!?Advice 13:56, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
 * No, Little Stupid is not a Little Slow, if you don't mind! Just a Little Toxic, that's all.[//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Little_Toxic_Personality&redirect=no] Note the redirect. A playmate for Bishapod at Kosebamse's kindergarten. Salute the next generation! Lady Catherine, isn't it time you favoured us with a manual on etiquette? I see great possibilities, if you start it as a Guideline and go from there to a wikipedia Policy. Think "Dear Abby". Hmmm... How about calling it "The Scrotum Advice Column" ? Bishonen | talk 19:47, 11 September 2009 (UTC).
 *  Why Lady Catherine, I do believe that I must disagree with you.  I have found through trial and error a simple conclusion.  The more I get to know people, ... the more I love my puppies.    Rather seems akin to "a little pregnant" to me. :~) — Ched :  ?  20:39, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
 * No, no, silly man! The fellow is not "a little" toxic. He's little, and he's toxic. See? Sounds cute, doesn't it? He's just a dear little fellow, a childish sock of the great superhero Toxic Avenger! Bishonen | talk 21:55, 11 September 2009 (UTC).
 * Mrs Bishonen, I am not in the habbit of mixing with those who require advice on manners, these things are either inborn or they are not! Good manners should essentially be part of wiki-policy. However, sadly, Wikipedia seems to be full of those who like their cup cakes daintily served on doilies and eaten out of serviettes – a deplorable state of affairs which has been taken through into the civility policies. It can only a mater of time before we have the welcome template proclaiming: "pleased to meet you." I have already seen user pages where people mention their "loved ones" – Oh shudder! Personally, I blame Mr Wales and Mr Gerard I can barely bring myself to utter the name – the fiend! ; one only has to look at them to see what sort or tailors they employ – as one of my beloved late husbands used to say "always judge a gentleman by his tailor" such wise words indeed. Lady Catherine de Burgh (the Late) (talk) 21:59, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
 * PS: Someone really ought to find the time to bury the dog in that foto above. Lady Catherine de Burgh (the Late) (talk) 22:01, 11 September 2009 (UTC)
 * "...foto..."? What, may one ask, is one of those? LessHeard vanU (talk) 22:12, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
 * A foto, Mr van U, is an image that demonstrates that it may be unwise to judge a gentleman by his barber! Lady Catherine de Burgh (the Late) (talk) 22:27, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
 * A "barber..."? What, may one ask, is one of those? LessHeard vanU (talk) 09:50, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

Watchers
Hello Bishpack,

Have you seen this cool new toy? It shows how many people have a particular page on their watchlist. If you put User talk:Bishonen into the box you get 358 watchers! Egad, did you know you were that popular? And who the heck are these 18 idiots ...er I mean nice folks watching my page? That's pretty cool! (hope you're feeling better, by the way) Tex (talk) 21:39, 11 September 2009 (UTC)


 * 358? Is that all? ;p Thanks little manager, that is a cool toy Bishonen | talk 22:00, 11 September 2009 (UTC).


 * P.S. User talk:Bishzilla is watched by 96 people, making User talk:Ka of Catherine de Burgh look pretty silly, he he. Egad to you to! \o/  Bishonen | talk 16:00, 12 September 2009 (UTC).


 * Bah! I have only 227! This is embarrassing. KillerChihuahua ?!?Advice 22:23, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Too right. And that includes the abortion posts and the woofs! Bishonen | talk 22:29, 12 September 2009 (UTC).
 * Weirdos, and trolls, and povwarriors, oh my! (I'm the happy little dog, going ... somewhere... in a basket.) KillerChihuahua ?!?Advice 22:34, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
 * hmmm I guess I have quite a ways to go. — Ched : ?  03:04, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
 * The result of checking this for my principal articles is very depressing.  Hans Adler 16:31, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Have no concerns, my only truly and well researched example of hard work (me getting off my ass and going to the library, as opposed to the book shelf), yields 59! I was thinking of doing a book, obviously not going to be best seller! Giano (talk) 18:07, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Face it, guys. Nobody wants to watch articles. My own pride and joy has one less than yours, Giacomo—it's on 58 watchlists. What people want is to see other people quarrel and argue on their talkpages. And then they go back to ANI or RFAR and post something high-falutin' about how the purpose of the community is to write articles and produce an encyclopedia. Bishonen | talk 19:43, 13 September 2009 (UTC).
 * In other words, most people just want to cause trouble...hence the reason that valuable editors like you are so important to the website....I know people watch my user page because I am Mr. Turmoil, or at least used to be.--MONGO 03:39, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Ahem, well, I was including myself in the general hypocrisy, Mr. Tumbril. In fact, your friend Bishzilla may be the only completely frank member of this community. Not always advantageously so, either. (Down, monster!) Bishonen | talk 21:13, 14 September 2009 (UTC).
 * Well, I have 333 watchers of my page...and I bet 300 of them hate my guts! Proof I am doing something right!--MONGO 01:46, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

What a cynical turn! Personally, I watch pages of articles which are great wiki examples, which are of interest to me or that I edit or intend to edit. I also watch the pages of users with whom I work, have worked or those who have been helpful in solving a problem. I hope I'm not guilty of gawking at the wiki equivalent of train wrecks! Best to all. WBardwin (talk) 21:18, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Hehe. You rubbernecker, you. Bishonen | talk 21:26, 14 September 2009 (UTC).
 * How ridiculous, I only watch the pages of the interesting. No-one is going to waste their time watching the pages of some drear and dull little traffic warden or PC Plod – are they? Lady Catherine de Burgh (the Late) (talk) 21:22, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I am watching all of you. And all for different reasons. Most interesting, that. Regardingly, Hamster Sandwich (talk) 01:53, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Careful there, Mr Sandwich. Bishzilla is looking a bit hungry. Watching her carries some hazards. Bishonen | talk 10:23, 18 September 2009 (UTC).

To whom can we turn?
Why, oh why, do we have no article on Les Contes drolatiques? I even looked for Droll Stories, a common English title. The French have a lovely article; commons has Doré's illustrations; all we need is some bi-lingual wordsmith with an interest in literature to craft an article for us! Where might there possibly be such a creature? Will someone rectify this situation? (posting here rather than my talk page in recognition of both the 69 extra editors here, but the somewhat higher likelihood of your watchers being up to this task than mine, with the exception of the shared, who will see this anyway.) KillerChihuahua ?!?Advice 22:54, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh come ON, people! You do NOT want to leave this to me. My French is basically limited to "Jay neh par-lay pah frawn-say" and "Mercy buckets!". I beg of you... KillerChihuahua ?!?Advice 13:52, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I know French. French fries, French toast, French Kiss... Tex (talk) 15:18, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
 * French connection? KillerChihuahua ?!?Advice 17:57, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Mmm, French dip sandwich. Jehochman Talk 18:28, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Y'all are useless. I love you, but you're useless. You are not going to help at all, are you? KillerChihuahua ?!?Advice 18:32, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Sorry, puppy. I know nothing about that sort of thing.  I thought Chihauhuas were from Mexico, anyway, why are you so interested in the French?  And Jehochman, don't think we didn't notice the  article you visited just before adding the French dip sandwich post above...you naughty boy, you. ;o) Tex (talk) 20:20, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I, of course (as only a highborn English woman can), speak perfect French: "Il y a bien du monde aujourd'hui à Wikipedia", but sadly my kinship with the darling Contes Drolatiques, gives me a declarable conflict of interest. Such is the burden of being highborn, not to mention forced to converse with frightful people. Lady Catherine de Burgh (the Late) (talk) 20:58, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

How are you feeling?
Read to strike back at those nasty viruses? Could you read 2009 flu pandemic and do a bit of light editing? Jehochman Talk 17:13, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Please don't encourage the sick to be even sicker, I can't bear it! Mrs Bishonen just needs to pull herself together, and take a brisk walk and blow the cobwebs away, and she'll soon have a healthy mind in a healthy body. One does not need a degree in cameracraft and an "ology" to know that – which is why one can't get a plumber in London! Lady Catherine de Burgh (the Late) (talk) 18:12, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Need another another faceful of turnip, Lady C? I'll give it a shot, Jehochman, even though I'm suffering from an outbreak of stupid. For instance, what does "(normally infecting) humans" mean, in the first paragraph? Is it a typo for "normally infected", or what? Bishonen | talk 19:17, 18 September 2009 (UTC).
 * It looks like a parenthetical statement (one that explains the prior term). Endemic to (normally infecting) humans might be the idea, though the parenthetical is unnecessary if endemic is wikilinked. Noo? Jehochman Talk 19:56, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Doesn't explain it to me. Maybe you need some turnip too? And will you fucking well stop fiddling, so a person gets a chance to post?? Bishonen | talk 20:00, 18 September 2009 (UTC).
 * I think the parenthetical statement was inserted to explain what endemic means. Since endemic is wikilinked, I think the parenthetical statement could be removed. I love turnip! Am baking some turnips and carrots right now to bring to Mom's house for dinner. Jehochman Talk 20:03, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
 * As well as edit conflicting me right now, I'm sure. Would you kindly make up your mind what to type before grumble grumble grumble unprintable bad word etcetera? Or would you rather be locked up with Lady C in Scrotum Towers with the Bishbaby and a truckload of mashed-up turnips? Bishonen | talk 20:13, 18 September 2009 (UTC).


 * Jehochman, the text is awfully US-centric from the section "Response" onwards. I don't have the kind of info to fix that, but I wish you would. It is, after all, about a pandemic! P.S., you are welcome to post on this page-just preferably not in the form of hundreds of little bits and bytes. Leave that to FT2. Bishonen | talk 20:38, 18 September 2009 (UTC).


 * The article used to be called 2009 influenza epidemic when it was still centered in Mexico and the United States. That's probably why some deeper parts of the article have not been fully globalized.  Thank you for pointing out that deficiency.  We'll work on it. Jehochman Talk 01:59, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

Turnips? For peasants. Surely Swedes on this page. Boiled to extinction with carrots then mashed with a good dose of nutmeg. Good hearty accompaniment to yer roast beouf. When ill, it's best to demand this sort of fare from loved ones if they know what's good for them, when you eventually pass on the gift of germs. --Joopercoopers (talk) 23:41, 18 September 2009 (UTC)


 * The turnip is a vegetable of many uses. As you can see a little higher up this page, Joops, the Bishbaby (a new arrival, some ways off introduced by LessHeard vanU) enjoys using a well-mashed turnip as a face mask — note expression of bliss — and especially, when provoked, flinging dollops of it at Lady Catherine de Burgh (the Late). Bishonen | talk 08:22, 19 September 2009 (UTC).

Dearest Mrs Bishonen, perhaps I have been the teensiest little bit unsympathetic to your plight. However, while musing on chocolate in Fortnum and Mason this afternoon, I perchanced on this delightful concoction and immediately thought of my fifth husband, Manfredi Rampanti, so cruelly taken from me in his prime, so a small gift to aid and cheer your recovery. Speaking of chocolates I am currently working my way through a hugh box of 3,000, each one a little delight, all of which make delightful chewing. I shall be absent for a few days, as I'm going north to slaughter some grouse and then moving down-country for the partridge and pheasants – well one cannot live on chocolate alone; it's all very well Miss SV and others having these idealistic views, but they don't have to pay the price of London plumbers, if it were not for darling Stanislas I would be drowned in my own home. Do take care and recover soon. Deepest Love. Lady Catherine de Burgh (the Late) (talk) 20:16, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Mmmmmm. [/The Bishbaby starts to methodically replace the turnip goo on her face with streaks of chocolate. ] Bishbaby 22:54, 19 September 2009 (UTC)



Your membership card is in the post
Hi Bish. I see you have commented on the Ottava Rima RFAR. Welcome to the cabal to "destroy Wikipedia". I'm sure your name will be added to Ottie's ever-growing list of conspirators. Apparently, "Wikipedia is not some whore that we can use, abuse, and toss to the side" and Wikipedia is certainly "not a place for games, not a place to push some wacko POV, not some whore to be treated like shit."[//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=prev&oldid=312062987]. But it is if you're in "our gang"! Bwa ha ha! Cheers. --Folantin (talk) 11:20, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Destroy Wikipedia? Piffle. I demand to be made Head of your wienie little cabal, on the strength of having already attained the glory of being a "toxic personality"! [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Giano/The_future&diff=prev&oldid=298173151] Bishonen | talk 17:17, 29 September 2009 (UTC).
 * HAZMAT Class 6-1 Poison.png

You'll be offered this free HazMat warning label as part of the deal. --Folantin (talk) 19:10, 29 September 2009 (UTC) 
 * Ha! Is that fine label supposed to be that wienie 'shonen's? No, it's mine! Mine! Mine, I tell you! Gimme! Toxic Avenger (talk) 21:20, 29 September 2009 (UTC).
 * No, I'll take care of it! We're all in the same conspiracy, after all!  Little Stupid   splash!  21:24, 29 September 2009 (UTC).
 * Be careful little friend. It's a dangerous world out here away from home.  And remember, the "Toxic Avenger" has Superpowers. ;)
 * And hey, How you doing these days Ms. Bishonen? Hope all is well. ;-) — Ched :  ?  21:46, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Better than well: brilliant! I just got some antibiotics for the cough. It's magic! I'm bursting with health and fully ready HINT HINT for cake and cookies for the whole family, dear Mr Ched! Bishonen | talk 21:59, 29 September 2009 (UTC).


 * GREAT! Glad to hear that.   I thought the rest of the family might like some pie as well ;-)

, and since I wasn't sure what the most honorable Bishzilla liked, I also made:

Apple pie. Cheers. — Ched : ?  22:32, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

Whoops, look at that, you've woken the dino! And put her in a good mood with your offering, I see. Folantin, may little user Ched be in the sekrit conspiracy, too? Useful diplomat! Bishonen | talk 23:21, 29 September 2009 (UTC).
 * Ah, you have party without me! I plead with kind and decent monsters and their kin for admission.  While I lack for chocolates, I have copious quantities of excellent wine; shall I provide?  I promise not to inadvertently bring bottles of toxic substances; we reserve those for ... err ... well, see the sekrit cabal Protocols.  You should have them in the mail.  :)
 * While I shortly must return to my disruption, destruction, and vandalism, our cabal leaders have granted me leave to tarry a while. Antandrus  (talk) 00:36, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

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 * (Belatedly inserted). Welcome, Antandrus With Booze! Feel free join inaugural party of WP Monster Cabal! President: Bishzilla. There's a a still rowdier party at user talk:Gooch, incidentally. Special sock party! Send sock to represent the firm!   bishzilla     ROA R R! !    22:10, 30 September 2009 (UTC).
 * Hmmm ... sekrit cabals? ... Mailing lists? ... Fringe theories? ... Conspiracies? I'm not sure what that's all about.  I did notice however that the Plausible deniability article seems to contain some OR, SYN, and unverified claims.  Perhaps I'll see if I can find some references for that. >:-) — Ched :  ?  00:48, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
 * HAZMAT Class 8 Corrosive.png "Folantin, may little user Ched be in the sekrit conspiracy, too?" Sure, it's HazMat labels all around – although I'm going to "bagsie" this "Corrosive Character" logo. --Folantin (talk) 15:32, 30 September 2009 (UTC)


 * I also bring fine white wine for elegant, deceased members of English aristocracy, as well as living ones. Poison reserved for the destructive beasts who ingest such toxins as part of our conspiracy!  (I note that "poison" applies liberally to wines found on the bargain shelf -- best not even to speak of such abominations.)  Toast to Bishzilla:  may miserable and whiny miscreants roast in thy fiery wrath; may editors of quality and standing skitter out of thy way.  *clink*.  Antandrus  (talk) 00:53, 1 October 2009 (UTC)


 * [Bishzilla, uncomprehending but vaguely pleased at seeing her name, stuffs the little Antandrus affectionately in her capacious pocket. ] Hold on tight, little user! We climb Reichstag now! Play nice with Antandrus in there, Bishapod... no frolicking in pocket!   bishzilla     ROA R R! !    22:22, 1 October 2009 (UTC).


 * Not enough fun yet. Can have more!


 * 'Better!
 * Will bring scotch, too. Georgewilliamherbert (talk) 04:10, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

[User:Little Toxic tremendously impressed, decorates himself with all the labels. ] Bang boom! Little Toxic (talk) 08:24, 2 October 2009 (UTC).

Notoriety
Our effort to semi-protect a page from IP edits awhile back has been noticed elsewhere on the web!. See Talk:Saggar fired pottery – "Ridicule". Anything for a laugh. You could probably release the protection. If the IP guy shows up again, your cabal can deal with him/her! Thanks. WBardwin (talk) 07:30, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

WP:RFC
Hi Bish,

I'm going to work on a piece about the RFC process for the signpost, and I want to get at the purpose of the process and how useful it is. I'd like to talk to you because you've been the subject of three requests, so I'd like to get your perspective. Would you be willing to talk about your experience, and answer a few questions? Hiding T 12:02, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Mmmm...OK. If you can't find anything better. But if you look at those three RFC's, you'll see that they all pretty much turned into RFC's on their nominators. In some cases in a rather sad way. Usefulness sort of didn't come into it much (except that I got a lot of muffins)Special:PermanentLink/279258951Special:PermanentLink/144228712Special:PermanentLink/306377374. I think you might get more mileage out of interviewing somebody who's had at least one or two more normal kinds of RFC's. Bishonen | talk 22:03, 1 October 2009 (UTC).
 * Okay, I'll have a look around, but is it okay if I come back to you, because the RFC's "about you" represent a facet of RFC, I hope you'd agree? Hiding T 10:20, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

RfAr
Arbitration/Requests/Case Thanks for posting that. It's what I was thinking, but you said it better than I could have. The principle here, in my mind, is the corrosive effect of administrator corruption on the community – and its downstream impact on our ability to produce and improve the encyclopedia. All around the 'pedia, on a daily basis, folks who haven't read "no big deal" treat administrators like Wikipedia cops; just like police corruption, administrator corruption turns people off the entire system and disillusions huge numbers of people. We may not all agree on what constitutes "administrator corruption", but it seems pretty clear that supporting / nominating a banned and desysopped user for RfA qualifies. <strong style="color:#0033CC">Nathan <strong style="color:#0033CC"> T 18:37, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Glad you liked it. "Corruption" is the perfect word here, I wish I'd thought to use it. Bishonen | talk 21:47, 1 October 2009 (UTC).

Where have u been in my life?
Long-time no see, Bish. I have several irons in the fire right now: default thumbnail image size, MilHist copy-edit guide, concise version of the MoS, alt account policy tightening (blush), pestering about third draft of ArbCom policy. So I'll look in at the ArbCom CoC page again (later tonight). My low-activity winter period will dissolve over the next few weeks. I hope you're well. Tony  (talk)  09:36, 2 October 2009 (UTC)


 * You may well blush! Bad Tony!   bishzilla     ROA R R! !    10:33, 2 October 2009 (UTC).

Standards
Hi, Bish. Thanks for this reminder of biographical standards. Steve Dufour and I tend to put "Rev." all over the place, but I think I speak for both of us when I say that we want to be encylopedic when we contribute here. --Uncle Ed (talk) 20:14, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Cool. Bishonen | talk 20:57, 2 October 2009 (UTC).

On a certain editor
Hi, finally I have a permanent home again, and it's even on the continent. Once I have internet at home I hope to become a bit more active again. – I just discovered your great contribution to the Arbcom case that OR opened against himself and thought you might be interested in this surreal talk page. I think it clearly illustrates the problem. I thought that as a German I could help with some details of spelling. I started one section about one thing I noticed, then another about two more. I confess I am not entirely sure about the capitalisation of foreign-language titles in English, but on the other hand I have no reason to trust OR's judgement more than mine. (It was a pleasure to read his defence of his 'grammatical' sentence.) Anyway, on this talk page we can see clearly how he first jumped into the second section to contradict me with a position that is at least tenable, and while he was at it, commented in the first section. I made the mistake of interpreting this as a constructive contribution in the spirit of cooperation, but was soon disillusioned. It appears that once an implausible text version was copied from Project Gutenberg into Wikipedia, the only way to replace it by the more plausible reading from a third edition is by proving that the first edition also agrees. From someone who claims to be an expert on literature this is so mad that I am unable to explain it without assuming trolling, insanity, or imposture. It seems to show that the grammar nonsense was not an isolated incident.

I totally agree with dab's general observation here [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3ADbachmann&diff=310868245&oldid=310852517]. For some reason it failed to end the thread, and I am amazed that OR chose to draw attention to it. But then, under the trolling assumption it makes perfect sense, and why shouldn't someone decide to make constructive contributions and also do a little trolling with the same account? However, all things considered I think the teenage impostor theory is most plausible at this stage. Hans Adler 15:33, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
 * (Butting in) You too, eh? Join the cabal, er, I mean club. --Folantin (talk) 16:07, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Thank you so much! Do you know that this is the first, er, club I am invited to? It took me two bloody years. I don't know what I did wrong. I will be forever grateful to you. Just let me know if one of your enemies needs crashing.
 * Now where do I have to go to learn all about the handshakes and stuff? Hans Adler 16:48, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Here. Or here. Bishonen | talk 16:59, 4 October 2009 (UTC).


 * However, to become a permanent member and Grand Caballist, you need to inappropriately remove things while making patently absurd comments in an area where you have a long history of damaging articles and attacking them in order to harass "certain editor". As in this recent example. If you acquit yourself nobly in that endeavor, Herr Adler, Bishzilla may even induct you personally, while rotating! (She, not you.) Then you will truly be a Wikipedian. Bishonen | talk 22:17, 4 October 2009 (UTC).

spam
I know that you've been interested in these issues in the past. WikiProject Administrator — Ched : ?  04:39, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

Indulgence
I was really quite surprised to see you has posted on "this page" – I only had my attention directed to it this morning. It is really is nothing but an indulgence and reminds me of a particularly nauseating child I once knew who whenever its parents entertained used to interrupt the adult conversation with "everybody stop! I want us to talk about my problems" Naturally, I refused then and I refuse now. The biggest problem that child had were parents reluctant to discipline it. I have reverted comments of mine which were erroneously misplaced there. I would not give such a page credibility by having my name on it. A badly behaved child is a badly behaved child, and a troll is troll, neither should be over indulged further.The matter has nothing to do with Geogre, who as an editor was in a class of his own, and everything to do with attention seeking by someone envious of that class. Those seeking attention should beware, some it can be very penetrating and unwelcome. Giano (talk) 18:30, 5 October 2009 (UTC)


 * An apt parallel. Did you see another attention seeker, here? We'd better not indulge him either. I've only been drawn into commenting on him here by the visitors above. Naughty little users! Please, everybody, as amusing as our cabal is (what am I talking about? It's MY cabal! Mine! Mine! I the boss!), ignore a "certain editor" on this page from now on. [To illustrate, little 'shonen pastes the ka-BOOM labels all over herself, but without commenting on any editors. ] Bishonen | talk 19:04, 5 October 2009 (UTC).

Re: Permalink
Thank you very much, I didn't expect it to be that simple. Skäpperöd (talk) 18:22, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Cool. :-) Your account name looks completely Swedish to me. Are you really German? Bishonen (skål tammefan!) 19:04, 8 October 2009 (UTC)
 * There were times when Skåne was my second home :) Skäpperöd (talk) 16:24, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
 * You mean it's pure dumb luck that you're not User:Kropp, or User:Kvennaböske? Bishonen | talk 00:24, 10 October 2009 (UTC).
 * The username is not completely random, but my RL identity can not be traced from the name itself without further information (which I won't post here). I don't speak Swedish though, the year I shuttled between my residence and Skåne I used English. I learned some Swedish, but since I had no practice, I forgot most of it, and my Swedish is now limited to "öl" and "jag älskar dig". Back when I was more fluent in (Scanian) Swedish, I tried to make myself understood further north, and they told me that what I had learned was in fact Danish :( Skäpperöd (talk) 15:49, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

RFC/USER discussion concerning you
Hello, Bishonen. Please be aware that a request for comments has been filed concerning your conduct on Wikipedia. The RFC entry can be found by your name in this list, and the actual discussion can be found at Requests for comment/Bishonen 4, where you may want to participate. Ottava Rima (talk) 04:21, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Hi Ms. Bishonen. To be honest, OR does have acceptable writing skills, I'm really not sure why he would choose to engage in such disruptive behavior.  I wouldn't worry about the RFC thing – doesn't seem to have any merit to it (and I've read through a lot of the diffs).  IIRC Probably having one of those cupcakes is the standard in these cases.  Cheers. ;) — Ched :  ?  19:37, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

I'm behind the events, as usual
You're back? Glad to see you here, & hope it's not due to reasons of addiction. -- llywrch (talk) 16:55, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Hi, Llywrch. Was I gone..? Well, it is due to that, sort of. There's little enough enjoyment to be had these days.Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents Bishonen | talk 18:13, 9 October 2009 (UTC).
 * Well someone signed your name to an email to me that said you were leaving. Anyway, glad to see one of the "Old Bolsheviks" of the Wikipedia revolution still around. :) -- llywrch (talk) 20:56, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

I know, you would rather have cupcakes ...
... but I thought this might be more practical. Safety first. — Ched : ?  21:24, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
 * What a kind thought, can I have one too? No dear, not a cupcake – a firefighter; I have always had a penchant for them. On the meantime, dearest Mrs Bishonen, have no fear at all – if it looks like turning nasty, I shall instruct my nephew to ride in to the page and your rescue; the dear boy is always such a soothing balm to inflammable situations. Lady Catherine de Burgh (the Late) (talk) 21:49, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
 * OMG, keep Giano out of there! Don't I have enough problems? Bishonen | talk 00:27, 10 October 2009 (UTC).
 * Why honorable lady Catherine – I had no idea you had an interest in such things in the physical realm. I am merely an organizer of sorts, but I shall certainly mention your generous offer to the young lads down at my local firehall.  I can't imagine any of them declining such an educational experience.  Giano? soothing balm? ... I don't recall those words being placed quite like that in any previous threads.  Always something new to learn here. ;) — Ched :  ?  01:27, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh that's most kind Ched, could you get me an Italian one, such a beautiful race – all the men are so hansome and virile, compared to other races. Really, I'm surprised Mrs Bishonen doesn't think more of her figure and forego the cup cakes and utilise a fireman instead. Now regarding this other silly business, I really think it would be a excellent good idea if you asked dearest darlngestGiano to help you out – you only have to say the word and it will be crash, bang, wallop – problem solved. The dear gentle boy has a way with problems, I'm surprised you have not noticed. Lady Catherine de Burgh (the Late) (talk) 17:16, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Honorable lady Catherine, while I can not speak to the male gender, I must say that I do indeed admire, appreciate, and adore the sultry beauty of the Italian females. My sister's first marriage was to a pure Italian family, and I learned (and occasionally lusted) much during those years.  The beautiful dark hair, the passionate eyes ... and the food? ... sigh, would that I could meet a mature Italian woman to share my declining remaining years with.  The emotion and passion may be slightly intimidating to those who are unfamiliar with the nationality, but it is surely a joy to behold when one does not take things personally.  I shall indeed mention your most generous offer at our next meeting.
 * Ms. Bishonen, I suspect that were your position and mine reversed that you might advise me to simply ignore some of these recent attacks. It is quite clear that the bulk of the community has found the allegations to be empty and without merit.  Hopefully those engaged in these disruptive efforts will soon return to the task of building our content – actually there are some abilities available to those wishing to do so.  I do have to admit that I admire your restraint in recent days, and I shall attempt to model my own efforts after your considerable maturity and calmness.  I do hope this entire incident has not troubled you too much, as I realize that you have much better things to do with your time.  Please take good care of yourself, and I look forward to seeing you out there. Cheers and all my best ;) — Ched :  ?  05:37, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

Status report
So now Majorly has admitted the Rfc is not correctly certified, and that its a joke and he is the butt of it.[//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AOttava_Rima&action=historysubmit&diff=319043556&oldid=318995248]

However, he's been arguing against cupcakes as disruptive and an abuse of – get this – process, with which he is suddenly enamored. Well, love can sneak up on you like that, who am I to judge? I have commented on both the Rfc talk page[//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_comment/Bishonen_4&diff=prev&oldid=319050937] as well as his page[//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Majorly&diff=prev&oldid=319051751] noting this sudden volte-face; I have requested he clear up the confusion generated by his conflicting statements.

Meanwhile, over at the Rfc Mfd – it almost sings, does it not? I have, alas, been forced to place a "weak keep" – there are, after all, now the cupcakes to consider! Not to mention (and I didn't) if and when another drama monger with a chip on his shoulder and a severe case of IDIDNTHEARTHAT opens yet another absurd Rfc on you, how shall they number their placement of the cupcakes? Will they count Hiemies cupcakes as four, and theirs as five, or will H's valiant carrying of the torch be relegated to an unread footnote to history, and counting resume at four yet again? You see the issues. I am still ill, but currently somewhat diverted. Yours, KillerChihuahua ?!?Advice 13:24, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Majorly can say whatever he wants, but two people have signed off on it and have shown that they were involved in trying to stop Geogre and his actions while Bishonen was furthering them. That is enough to meet the standard requirement of an RfC/U. The section below is to verify that there cannot be any technical concerns. Ottava Rima (talk) 14:17, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

Dispute resolution
Please explain why you aided Geogre's sock puppetry and resign. I ask because people feel that attempts to have you explain yourself and resign before an RfC/U has been made have not been attempted. This is to allow you the chance to do the above before it would be reopened if it is closed on the grounds. Ottava Rima (talk) 14:13, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
 * This is not dispute resolution, Ottava. DR would be "I think you aided Geogre's socking, dif dif dif, do you concede that, and if not, please explain your actions. I would also like to know if you plan to do this sort of thing in the future". What you've done is made an accusation with no difs, and then demanded she resign. That's not even close to dispute resolution. KillerChihuahua ?!?Advice 14:25, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I never said -this- was dispute resolution. I am trying to resolve the issue directly at her talk page so there is clear proof that there was an attempt that you can't try to claim does not exist. I am tired of dealing with technicalities. As per your response, this will clearly be a failed attempt to resolve the problem. Ottava Rima (talk) 14:31, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
 * In other words, it was intended to be a failed attempt. --Akhilleus (talk) 14:32, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
 * That doesn't work, Ottava. You cannot make a "fake" attempt so you can "get on with" an Rfc. You have to actually, truly, try to resolve the issue. Otherwise, it isn't really an attempt at all, so you still have not met the requirement. KillerChihuahua ?!?Advice 14:37, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Since when were you put in charge of RfC/U? You sure do speak as if you have knowledge when the rules are quite liberal and relaxed. You aren't speaking objectively in any kind of manner, and I find it troubling that you are defending someone who hid a sock puppet that was used abusively for a very long time. Ottava Rima (talk) 14:43, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
 * No. If she apologized to the community for aiding Geogre's socking for a year and resigned, then I would drop the matter. Ottava Rima (talk) 14:42, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

To Ottava Rima
For the past week or two, I have been a silent target for your random inventions and ugly fantasies. Special:PermanentLink/318012215[//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Coren&diff=prev&oldid=318090571]Special:PermanentLink/318091938[//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Malleus_Fatuorum&diff=318317879&oldid=318317202] But I draw the line at you pestering me on this page. If there is anything you would actually like to know, as opposed to some abuse of me that you would like to get off your chest, you will have to get some ordinary, decent user to ask an appropriate question for you. Sorry. With some violence to my finer feelings, I am leaving your unpleasant foolishness above in place — for the moment. Any further post from you on this page will be removed. I request other users to help with this in case I'm not around. Bishonen | talk 17:23, 10 October 2009 (UTC).

P.S. Vexatious litigation by Ottava Rima
[//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Ottava_Rima&diff=prev&oldid=319056944] Bishonen | talk 17:46, 10 October 2009 (UTC).

<Snicker>
[//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Arbitration_Committee/Noticeboard&diff=prev&oldid=319474812] Oh my. Well, let's see, there's the case I have to vote on, with the proposed decision just being posted in the last 24 hours, plus an Audit Subcommittee report being pushed through the system, but otherwise I have been doing things that I came here to do in the first place, i.e. reading and working on content-related matters. A change is as good as a rest, so I hear. All I know is I had more fun reading and doing a bit of copy editing the other night than I have on Wikipedia for some time. Glad to see that other little matter has been resolved. Risker (talk) 19:44, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Glad to hear it! Thanks for dealing so ably with the "little matter". That must have taken a horrible long time; your History tab is a nightmare. Bishonen | talk 22:06, 12 October 2009 (UTC).

Wot, no cupcakes?
I turn my back for five minutes and the place goes to the dogs, commonsense ignored, proud traditions overturned. I hope this small gesture restores some much-needed gravitas to the situation. SlimVirgin talk| contribs 21:02, 12 October 2009 (UTC)


 * [ bish a pod  runs off, stuffing entire cupcake in his mouth. Chokes.]. Argh. Excuse Little Stupid, Slim. I guess he just wanted to make sure it's safe. [Pointedly.] I really need more cupcakes nowadays, with this big, hungry family. I hope people will keep that in mind at RFC/Bishonen 5, 6, 7, and 8. Bishonen | talk 23:19, 12 October 2009 (UTC).


 * Truly, the most beautiful cupcake I have ever seen.... Salivatingly, Hamster Sandwich (talk) 23:26, 12 October 2009 (UTC)


 * It's quite a posh one, unlike the terribly common ones I've seen inflicted on Bish in the past. SlimVirgin  talk| contribs 03:23, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
 * "Terribly common"? Fine, no one likes my cupcakes, I'm gonna take my batter and frosting and go home. KillerChihuahua ?!?Advice 14:12, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

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 * Heh, I knew insulting the precious cupcakes would bring Puppy to the page. :) SlimVirgin  talk| contribs 19:10, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh Pbbbblllllgh. I am so predictable. KillerChihuahua ?!?Advice 19:14, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
 * But in the nicest possible way. SlimVirgin  talk| contribs 19:16, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
 * [Bishapod, indistinctly, through a shower of crumbs: ] Little Stupid love all cupcakes with sweets on top!  bish a pod   splash!  15:21, 13 October 2009 (UTC).


 * It is indeed posh. I believe Bishzilla prefers the ones on fire, though. Bishonen | talk 10:28, 13 October 2009 (UTC).
 * I did make a call on the now deleted pages, that our time might better be spent creating a cupcake template for subsequent vexatious RFCs. It's a waste of everyone's time all this baking. --Joopercoopers (talk) 12:35, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Nooo! Create cupcake temple! Taj Mahal of cupcakes!  bish a pod   splash!  15:21, 13 October 2009 (UTC).
 * I agree with  bish a pod , cupcakes are to be celebrated in every possible way. --Rocksanddirt (talk) 20:29, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

Took ages, but poor old dino managed to bake Taj Mahal of cupcakes like Bishes want. Extra flambé for mighty 'Zilla. -- T-RexxS (talk) 21:26, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

Restoration Spectacular
FYI. – iride  scent  19:34, 15 October 2009 (UTC)


 * I was just about to do that, i was just finishing my review. Simply south (talk) 19:56, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

Who exactly is Bobby Boulders?
Who is Bobby Boulders? I've looked into his sock puppets and other things, and I noticed that you were the one who originally blocked his account. From what I can see, is he just some crazy guy with nothing better to do than vandalize? I'm thinking about creating a humourous userbox, perhaps about him. Mr. Wayne (talk) 23:26, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

m?
Why did you remove sourced content and shorten a quotation from the Black and Tans article while marking it m for minor edit? It's quite a significant thing to change content from within quotation marks – please support your edit on the talk page.99.135.170.179 (talk) 15:18, 20 October 2009 (UTC)
 * By mistake. Sorry.

Chillum
Hi, Chillum. There's something odd, technically speaking, about the Black and Tans article. Possibly that's why I got it wrong the first time (see above). I saw — briefly — an edit by you in edit mode, and when I looked at your own page, the edit wasn't there any more. Please reply on your own page,because this is a bit spooky. If I manage to guess whether or not you reply, I'll e-mail you.

I hope this note reaches you. Was I seeing things? Bishonen | talk 23:37, 20 October 2009 (UTC). ?

So you speak Suomi?
If you do, are you active in the Finnish Wikipedia? If you are, can you please create a Finnish article of KidZania Jakarta, Kidzania Tokyo, and Kidzania Koshien? Because its just a matter of time that I'm getting bored with the pages without their international versions, as these places are internationally known.--Berlin Approach | Lufthansa 533 at FLT230 15:19, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Can't help you, sorry. No Suomi. My native tongue is Ruotsi. Bishonen | talk 16:08, 28 October 2009 (UTC).


 * How many languages do you speak, Bish? (not counting Dino) Just curious.  Tex (talk) 16:47, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh, I don't "speak", or indeed write, many at all. Mainly Dino, lol! There are lots of better linguists than me around the project. For instance, that nutter User:Mike Halterman taught himself very creditable Danish and Norwegian in order to be able to discuss the Eurovision Song Festival with the natives. He just sort of picked them up... now that is amazing. Bishonen | talk 22:39, 28 October 2009 (UTC).


 * Bwah. Don't you dare embarrass dear Bish! You wouldn't ask a lady's age, n'est-ce pas. Why then do you ask a scholar's literacy? ( But by the way, this would make a nice betting game. My bid's "five (not counting native routsi and dino" ) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tnuoccayawaworht (talk • contribs) 21:22, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Always count Dino! The great Bishzilla seriously multilingual, speak Ur-Dino, English, Stupid, etcetera. [Modestly: ] But can only count up to three, regret!   bishzilla     ROA R R! !     22:39, 28 October 2009 (UTC).


 * I would guess seven myself, not including Sdrawkcab. But then I don't know Bish as well as do others!  Would that Wikipedia still had more like her; I've been having a bit of an ubi sunt melancholic funk about the entire project recently.  Antandrus  (talk) 21:30, 28 October 2009 (UTC)
 * [ Bishzilla sympathetically stuffs the little Antandrus in pocket of spiderman suit and heads towards Reichstag. ] Come, Little Stupid! Climbing time!   bishzilla     ROA R R! !     22:39, 28 October 2009 (UTC).
 * Well, thanks for explaining anyways. I always thought that you spoke Suomi. BTW, what is Ruotsi?--Berlin Approach | Lufthansa 533 at FLT230 03:12, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
 * It's the language of Ruotsalainen like me. Er, it's the Finnish for Swedish. How strange that sounds. Hmm. It's Swedish in Finnish. Darn it, that's no better. Anyway, why did you think I was Finnish? I'm just finished, that's all. Not even Japanese. Bishonen | talk 03:42, 29 October 2009 (UTC).


 * Novgorod was settled by people called the fi:Ruotsi more than 1,000 years ago. Eventually it was overtaken by Slavs. The name Ruotsi there eventually morphed into Russia.  Ruotsi also happens to be what the Finns call the Swedish language.  It all makes sense if you have enough vodka and smoked fish. Jehochman Talk 03:35, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Smoked is for wussies, Jehochman. Nothing flatters the vodka like fermented fish! Have some Surströmming! Bishonen | talk 03:42, 29 October 2009 (UTC).
 * Jehochman, the etymology seems to be a bit more complicated. See Rus' (people) and Rospiggar. Tnuoccayawaworht (talk) 06:29, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
 * (outdent) "Anyway, why did you think I was Finnish?" My guess is the -onen ending. As in Kimi Räikkönen and Mikko Hirvonen. Maybe Bishonen likes fast cars. --Folantin (talk) 10:27, 29 October 2009 (UTC)


 * It's Bishōnen not Bishönen. Pretty boy. Jehochman Talk 12:15, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
 * But it's Hirvonen not Hirvönen. (And most non-Suomi spell it "Raikkonen" in any case). The "nen" ending is the Finnish thing.--Folantin (talk) 12:25, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

Little 'shonen stares in fascination at the pretty picture and starts to delicately hum Momus' Bishounen.


 * ...a master in a white kimono taught him
 * in a shining moment
 * the myth of the bishounen
 * the youthful hero doomed to fall like blossom

Cacaphony breaks out as Bishapod adds his squeaky treble in the Fishapod song, and Bishzilla lifts her powerful Dino Contralto in something vaguely scary. Bishonen, [incensed ]: "Shut up, socks!!!" Go throw a party at Tex' place or something! Far from here!" [Calms down.] I guess nobody clicked on "Japanese" above, hint hint? Bishonen | talk 14:17, 29 October 2009 (UTC).
 * Oh I knew about the Japanese word. I was just speculating as to why somebody might mistake you for a Finn. A sauna-loving radioactive dinosaur with a passion for Sibelius, mobile phones and plenty of alcohol. --Folantin (talk) 14:34, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

I just find the whole multilingual thing amazing because I know how hard it is to learn a new language. You have to really work at it if you don't start when you are really young. Anyway, sorry for the digression on your page, Dear Bishonen. Tex (talk) 14:45, 29 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Some smoked fish with aquavit (iced) as a beverage, then a course of tasty reindeer meatballs with steamed, buttered cabbage (also with aquavit), and then for desert perhaps some runny cheese and a pear (and aquavit.) I ate at a Finlandic restaurant in Thunder Bay once, and everything on the menu had some kind of animal product involved. I don't think it's a necessarily "vegan friendly" cuisine over there... Carnivourously, Hamster Sandwich (talk) 02:27, 30 October 2009 (UTC)




 * Ahh, the Water of Life..! But, hamster, what a lot of people (and tetrapods such as yourself) don't realize is that the reindeer is actually a plant. Bishonen | talk 11:51, 30 October 2009 (UTC).


 * Good point. I always thought that the fruits were the edible part, though, not the branches. As to buttered cabbage, I wonder why people in Finland don't use olive oil like all the other Mediterraneans. Hans Adler 13:00, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
 * And why do they serve pears instead of oranges? (See above photo of Bishonen and oranges.) Jehochman Talk 13:01, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

Copy edit
Despite losing its "imposing grandeur" after being attacked by some form of reptile, I think I have adone all I that can be bothered to do here – could you do a copy edit for me, I can never see the mistakes and typos and see if it makes sense. Thanks. Giano (talk) 19:35, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Sorry about that, I expect she mistook it for Tokyo. Sure, I'll take a look, in a while — I may need to go taunt ArbCom first, I can feel it coming on. Also things are a little hectic IRL. Bishonen | talk 22:52, 4 November 2009 (UTC).
 * Oh don't taunt the Arbcom, poor things. For myself, having been threatened and warned off like the others with common sense, I am just biding my time untill I can say – this is your fault, I told you this would happen; and of course, it will – just a matter of this week or next. I wonder if they will have to fill the form in too? - interesting notion. Then of course there is that mailing list business – the solution is pretty obvious there too, but they seem reluctant to see it. What are you planning to taunt them about? Giano (talk) 23:02, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh, the usual, same as you--plus the way they waved off this little lot, which has now predictably spawned this, and on and on--the committee talk a lot about how hard they work, and I'm sure they do, but so do other people. Does the committee notice how appallingly it wastes perfectly good editors' time when they—the committee—refuse to deal with disruptive users? Editors that could be writing articles! Instead they're pushed into baking cupcakes! [Bishonen breathes out a shower of crumbs as she speaks.] Arghhh, never mind, the hell with it. Taunting is useless too. I go grade exam papers. :-( Bishonen | talk 23:53, 4 November 2009 (UTC).
 * Mmmm exam papers, that reminds me, before the Arbcom elections (oh great joy) I am thinking of becoming a tonsured professor or a doctor, that always impresses the voters. What does tonsured mean, does it just mean old and grey with a bald head? because I don't fancy that – so I think I'll be a doctor, like the ones in the TV programs, young and virile saving lives in a dashing white coat with an entourage of swooning nurses – do you and Puppy have nurse's outfits, by any chance? I must set the scene early so it does not look like a vote catching ploy, I had better go and visit the sick. Praps I ought to do a page on a hospital first. Giano (talk) 07:58, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
 * No, it doesn't mean old and grey, the tonsured are frequently in their prime like yourself. It's a type of haircut merely. Religious haircut. Are you kidding or am I, of all people, explaining to a Catholic what a tonsure is ? Better look it up for yourself. But I'm delighted with your plans for gracing ArbCom. Nurse's outfits..? Hmm, there's a thought, I suppose. Or can we wear our maids' uniforms? That's a major Japanese fetish. It'll definitely get you the anime vote! Bishonen | talk 12:32, 5 November 2009 (UTC).
 * I am perfectly aware of what a tonsure is, I am just unclear why a professsor is tonsured unless its because they are old and bald. I'm not sure those particular maids are quite what my esteemed aunt would have in mind when she is next interviewing for a parlour maid. Speaking of whom, I'm about to do the house of a real life Lady Catherine (well fairly recently dead), who when the equally esteemed Nikolaus Pevsner came to lunch in order to write about her house, described him as "an irrittating little man, who delighted in conradicting his betters" which suggests that Pevsener would have made a typical admin here. She also had an entire American military base moved 1/2km "to the right" because it spoilt the view from her drawing room – which suggests were she to run for Arbcom – I would vote for her. Giano (talk) 13:08, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Perhaps you'd prefer to be a tenured professor instead? Jehochman Talk 13:26, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Aha, perhaps I did mean that, this is the trouble with being dyxlexic and not a natural foreign speaker, although I'm sure I have read about a tonsured professor somewhere, didn't that Arb who left claim to be one? Giano (talk) 14:20, 5 November 2009 (UTC)


 * (That's clever, J-man. Never occurred to me.) Uh... what was the first owner's name again, please, Giacomo? Edward Lovedon Lovedon Lovedon Lovedon, Edward Lovedon Townsend, or Edward Lovedon Bishzilla? Bishonen | talk 15:49, 5 November 2009 (UTC).
 * He was as I have clearly stated a Lovedon-Lovedon as was his grandson a few lines on Sir Pryse Pryse, which must have been a huge "surprise" – geditt? hohohohohohohohohahahahaohohohoho, Oh I should be on TV, it's the way I tell them. Giano (talk) 17:57, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
 * So... do you write all your own material? Anyway, Lovedon-Lovedon? There's no hyphen between those in the article. Is the hyphen wanted? Bishonen | talk 19:57, 5 November 2009 (UTC).
 * Nope, it's all full referenced. Loveden Loveden had no hyphen. The book says Buscot then pasesed to Loveden Loveden's son, Pryse Pryse (it does not say if he was Pryse Pryse Loveden Loveden or just changed his name for ease) then to his grandson Pryse Loveden, and then (just in case you are starting to get it and relax) to his great grandson Sir Pryse Pryse, hence the surprise. Perhaps, you can see why I was a little ambiguous in that section and quickly passed on. I hope Wetman is watching this, as he understands these things. Lady C does too, but she's on her 4th martini by this time of night and not a good time to disturb her. Giano (talk) 20:49, 5 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Fully referenced? Oh, I'm sure it is; I meant your stand-up material. Do you do children's parties? And, I'm sorry, I'm not relaxing yet — I still don't get if it's Loved-E-n or Loved-O-n. I wish the fellow had a Wikipedia article. Bishonenonen 21:19, 5 November 2009 (UTC).
 * It's Loveden Loveden with an "e" I wonder if I should disturb Aunt Catherine, I'm sure she would have an opinion on the subject. Giacomo Giacomo (talk) 21:23, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
 * OK, I'm all set, and for god's sake don't wake Lady C. One monster invading the house is surely enough. [Little 'shonen starts looking for a good place to discreetly mention the bathroom fittings.] Bishonen | talk 21:31, 5 November 2009 (UTC).
 * Ah, Bishonen's talkpage is like The Sopranos: unless you tune in from the start and follow every episode, you're lost!--Wetman (talk) 21:54, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
 * But Giano's is worse, because he keeps archiving the whole time. The dinosaur invasion at Buscot Park actually began there.Special:PermanentLink/323559034 Bishonen | talk 22:58, 5 November 2009 (UTC).

Shadow
You should try [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case&diff=324378321&oldid=324375080 following me around for a day] :) Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 00:39, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Perhaps requiring some extra arms? Bishonen | talk 00:46, 7 November 2009 (UTC).

Alces

 * Moose warning signs are used on roads in regions where there is a danger of collision with the animal. The triangular warning signs common in Sweden, Norway and Finland have become coveted souvenirs among the many German tourists traveling in these countries, and authorities have had to issue warnings that it is dangerous and criminal to remove these signs.



Does this sound like something made up, or could it be legitimate. The English speaking web does not have this info, except where copied from Wikipedia's article on Moose. Maybe the info could be verified by referencing a non-English source, perhaps something close to the phenomena of moose-sign-stealing-by-Germans. Jehochman Talk 04:31, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
 * That is totally legitimate. I've also heard that souvenir shops have started selling moose signs to the tourists, in order to get them to leave the signs actually on the roads alone, but that may be an urban legend. I'll see if I can find a source. Bishonen | talk 05:07, 7 November 2009 (UTC).
 * Absolutely legitimate according to what I found in German internet forums. German tourists talking about the huge number of missing signs in Norway, the speculations in the (Norwegian?) press that mostly Germans are to blame, strategies against this (apparently they are now welding, not screwing, them), and some have seen signs in people's gardens in German villages. I am looking for a German newspaper report on this, but it should be easier to find in a Nordic language. Hans Adler 07:30, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
 * As a German with close connections to Sweden, I can confirm from personal experience that most or all of the above is correct. I have seen quite a few stolen road signs in German homes. Also that factlet about replacing screws seems correct, though I might have got that by hearsay. By the way, they are called Elch (=elk) in German, moose being the North American variant if I am not mistaken. And they are hugely popular in Germany, not only as road signs, but also as plushies, coffee mug decorations, flags and what not. Any tourist shop in Sweden or on the Sweden ferries is full of them. The craze seems to have started with the appearance of Ikea in Germany, must have been in the late 1970s, when their commercials were quite elk-heavy. Kosebamse (talk) 08:53, 7 November 2009 (UTC)Elks at home.jpg


 * [Pod bursts into his usual irrelevance. ] Hi Kosebamse! Proto-tetrapod plushies cuter than big horned mammals!  bish a pod   splash!  15:35, 7 November 2009 (UTC).
 * [Outdenting. ] So, in Germany, elk warning signs kind of correspond to garden gnomes? :-) Ha. Well, I easily found a couple of highly respectable Swedish sources for the theft of elk signs by tourists: Dagens Nyheter (including an interview with the official spokesperson of the relevant roads authority, yet) and Sveriges Radio, which has an interview about thefts in Norway. [Sic. A little odd? Yep.] But neither of those mention tourists of any particular nationality. That would come with being so respectable, of course. And, thinking about it, I guess it's not really proper for Wikipedia, either, to stigmatize the Germans, especially not based on rumour.


 * Hans, frankly, I'm not crazy about the reference you've added. I mean, that .pdf is a travel brochure, isn't it? Not really an authority IMO. I would rather remove the "German" thing from the article, speak of "tourists" only, and put a note about it on the talkpage. Unless you can find a rather starchier reference? (After all, nobody doubts the Germans are the major culprits... cough.) OK? Bishonen | talk 15:39, 7 November 2009 (UTC).


 * Of course. My closest contact to Scandinavia so far was buying a 2nd hand camping car with heating and an elk sticker at the back for Greece holidays, being a fan of the Olsen Gang, and understanding one or two words when switching my recently acquired Riget DVDs to the original language. And of course shopping in IKEA branches anywhere from Barcelona to Leeds. So whenever I am silly enough to make any edits related to Scandinavia it's probably best to revert them without even so much as looking at them.
 * By the way, at least it seems safe to say that basically no Germans were involved in the theft of Austrian Fucking traffic signs. Do we have an article on elements of public space that are considered funny by other cultures and therefore likely to disappear? Occasionally something like this comes up in the media. Hans Adler 16:22, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Hehehe. "Best to revert them..?" Are you sure you didn't mean to say "You should honestly be blocked for saying things like that about my .pdf, because that can be nothing but trolling"? What a wuss! Bishonen | talk 20:06, 7 November 2009 (UTC).
 * * With cracking voice* Careful with the personal attacks, bitsh! We all know that the cabal of trigger-happy Scandinavian admins that has been pursuing me for the last 12 years is only waiting for me to drop the T word against you to block me indefinitely for racism. I am not stupid. I thought you would get my subtle hint, but you are probably going to claim you didn't get the clue. Tell you what: That's not going to fly. This is the English encyclopedia; if you can't communicate in English you have no business being here.
 * You announced [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3ABishonen&action=historysubmit&diff=324472564&oldid=324472047] your intent to vandalise the moose article by disruptively removing vital, sourced information and just plain disagreeing with me, and in spite of my best efforts to communicate with you you did it anyway [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Moose&action=historysubmit&diff=324508901&oldid=324463334]. That's going to earn you a long, nasty, deserved block for intentionally trying to destroy Wikipedia. Don't say I didn't warn you!
 * You claim about yourself: "I'm not crazy". Well, I know the fifth digit of your employer's phone number. Let's see whether he agrees with your self-assessment when I call him and tell him about your comportment here.
 * * Timidly* Was that better? Hans Adler 20:43, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
 * No! Bishonen | talk 22:14, 7 November 2009 (UTC).
 * God, I love reading this page. Myself and two friends sitting with me just had some fucking good laughs! And for the record, the majestic moose is one of the most delicious of all tetrapods! Those signs should have a knife and fork crossed under the figure of the animal! Ravenously, Hamster Sandwich (talk) 20:56, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

The way to speak Ruotsi
Is it, in any way, similar to that of Suomi? Thank you for taking your time, Mrs. Bishonen.Boeing7107isdelicious 06:59, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Älä vittuile, Mr Boeing. Kosebamse (talk) 09:16, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I was just being twee, sorry. Ruotsi = Swedish. (Which is nothing like Suomi = Finnish.) What are you talking about, Bamse? Don't tell me you know Finnish, too! Bishonen | talk 11:54, 8 November 2009 (UTC).
 * (Gleefully:) Fooled you there, did I? Hah! Kosebamse (talk) 12:00, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

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Perhaps some calming words from an admin?
In the last few days a little edit war has emerged on one of the "speculative" articles on my watch list. I don't edit there often -- usually just vandal watch. Please see: Talk:Aquatic ape hypothesis  I don't think the conversations on the talk page will really succeed in settling the disagreement over a particular web site as source. Bishonen -- or another admin watching this page -- would you be willing to intervene a little? Thanks. WBardwin (talk) 09:02, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

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Risker (talk) 08:02, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

Priceless
[//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Bishonen&diff=319096031&oldid=319085290]. Someone might need a sense of perspective, I think (and I agree with your edit). Guy (Help!) 20:25, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
 * ^_^ Having ruined the entire wiki was a heady sensation! [Condescendingly: ] Have you ever ruined the entire wiki, Guy? [/me considers.] Oh... yeah, I guess you have. Bishonen | talk 21:11, 15 November 2009 (UTC).


 * It's a small and elite club, Those Who Destroy Wikipedia by Writing it. (Or maybe your pet dinosaur confused it with Tokyo one day?)  Antandrus  (talk) 21:44, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Poor old Zilla, if she has one more cupcake she'll probably explode. That would definitely destroy Wikipedia. OMG it's the Apocalypse! Bishonen | talk 22:46, 15 November 2009 (UTC).

Thanks
I don't mind any edit that makes me [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Ottava_Rima_restrictions/Evidence&curid=25026611&diff=326626726&oldid=326625623 look less dumb]. :-) Abecedare (talk) 23:11, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Hehe. ^_^ Bishonen | talk 23:16, 18 November 2009 (UTC).

Colley Cibber FAR
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Apology
I wish to apologize to you regarding the "joke" sockpuppet incident that I created. Although there is still something inside me that disapproves of your sockpuppets, I realize that in general they have community support and, for the most part, do no harm. What I did was wrong. I have no wish to cause you unhappiness and apologize sincerely for my behavior. I realize that you work for the good of Wikipedia. (In case, we seem to come from completely different spheres, my grandmother was born in Norway and my grandfather in Sweden.) Regards, — mattisse (Talk) 23:41, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
 * That's nice. Have some lutefisk. Bishonen | talk 00:15, 21 November 2009 (UTC).
 * Thank you. I wonder if that is like codfish? The drying and salting of codfish is not described as is lutefisk, but I wonder if it is similar. Thank you for being so gracious, as you certainly were not required to be. I am very appreciative. I really did not set out to be obnoxious and that is certainly not my goal now. Regards, — mattisse  (Talk) 00:23, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

S. A. Andrée's Arctic balloon expedition of 1897
nice job 68.0.88.195 (talk) 13:46, 21 November 2009 (UTC)Decora (talk) 13:47, 21 November 2009 (UTC)


 * (^_^) Bishonen | talk 13:51, 21 November 2009 (UTC).


 * It reminds me of my ArbCom candidacies. Jehochman Talk 14:01, 21 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Ouch. "The 1896 fiasco." (>_<) "The 1897 disaster." (!_!) Bishonen | talk 19:29, 21 November 2009 (UTC).

Requesting unprotection of Santa Claus
Hi, I'm wondering if you'd be willing to lift the protection on the Santa Claus article. Since it's been so long, I figured a direct post of [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Requests_for_page_protection&diff=prev&oldid=327447076 my rationale] to RPP might be sufficient, but my offer to go back and double-check with you was [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Requests_for_page_protection&diff=327447906&oldid=327447616 accepted]. So, would you be willing to try unprotection--knowing that I have the article on my watchlist and would gladly let you or RPP know if the vandals get out-of-hand again? Thanks, Cosmic Latte (talk) 16:36, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh dear, that's a long time, sorry. Unprotected. I left the move protection active, though—thinking it's just too tempting, with the approach of the festive season, to move Santa to Satan and what have you.. Is that all right? It's great if you do keep an eye on the article. Regards, Bishonen | talk 17:26, 23 November 2009 (UTC).
 * Great, thanks! Yeah, the move protection seems completely reasonable--the potential for abuse in that area seems quite a bit greater than the chance of the article being legitimately renamed as anything else. And I'll certainly keep an eye on it. Thanks again, Cosmic Latte (talk) 17:42, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

Satan? No, he's not my sock puppet. We're more like meetpuppets actually. We cooperate now and then.--Santa (talk) 17:58, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
 * [Wheedling: ] Got anything for your friend Little Stupid this year, Santa? [Stupid little Bishapod dreams as usual of finding a Tiktaalik tricycle in his stocking. ]  bish a pod   pedal pedal pedal ! 18:55, 28 November 2009 (UTC).


 * Ah yes: unprotected just in time for the Christmas idiots. That will keep grown-ups busy through the holidays.--Wetman (talk) 19:04, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
 * [Little Stupid is interested. ] Are grown-ups on site? Where?  Little Stupid   splash!  19:10, 28 November 2009 (UTC).

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Thanks, Jehochman Talk 16:08, 25 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Am I..? It's getting monotonous, but very well. Sending me arbitration guides, is it, young man? You know what to send, don't you? Bishonen | talk 16:36, 25 November 2009 (UTC).


 * I am very sorry. The template made me do it.  [Quivers. Runs off to start baking.] Jehochman Talk 16:38, 25 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Mmmmmph! Mmmphishly, Hamster Sandwich (talk) 23:42, 25 November 2009 (UTC)


 * [Bishapod stalks Hamster Sandwich to steal the cupcakes hidden in his cheek pouches. Sternly: ] Not save for winter, Hamsterman! Give!  bish a pod   splash!  00:11, 26 November 2009 (UTC).


 * Poddie, don't! Not your cupcakes! Hamster's! Want cupcakes and plushies? Tell your masters to send you to my place, I'll treat you [Ouch! No, don't you dare bite me!] Swedophile (talk) 16:04, 26 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Nibble, nibble! Biting the Swedophile n00bies! Give cupcakes!  bish a pod   bite bite!  17:22, 26 November 2009 (UTC).

a note
It occurs to me that the restriction you suggested here should be called a "reality parole." Of course, in the case of a dispute whether reality parole has been breached, it would be referred to WP:AE or WP:ANI, and neither board is a reliable place to separate fact from fancy... --Akhilleus (talk) 05:35, 29 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, they MIGHT be, if only Bish would quit destroying the Wiki...;) GJC 05:51, 29 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Destroy wiki, bah blaha. Lucky if not destroy Tokyo! [Bishzilla stuffs Akhilleus and Gladys in pocket. Instructively: ] Little users frolic now!   bishzilla     ROA R R! !    12:45, 29 November 2009 (UTC).

'zilla hungry?
Seen 'zilla? 'zil' like: <span style="white-space: nowrap; background-color: #e8dae7; border-width: 1px; border-style: solid; border-color: #976684; border-radius: 0.5em; -moz-border-radius: 0.5em; -webkit-border-radius: 0.5em; box-shadow: 0.1em 0.1em 0.5em rgba(0,0,0,0.75); -moz-box-shadow: 0.1em 0.1em 0.5em rgba(0,0,0,0.75); -webkit-box-shadow: 0.1em 0.1em 0.5em rgba(0,0,0,0.75); display: inline-block; margin: 0.5em 0; padding: 0.5em 0.8em 0.5em; font-variant: small-caps;" title="“Bollocks to the rules!”">—  Sincerely , <span style="text-shadow: 0.1em 0.1em 0.2em rgba(0,0,0,0.5);">Sockpuppet First Class, <span style="margin-right: 0.4em; padding: 3px 4px 2px; background-color: #fff4fa; border: 1px dotted Red; border-radius: 0.25em; -moz-border-radius: 0.25em; -webkit-border-radius: 0.25em; box-shadow: 0.1em 0.1em 0.25em rgba(0,0,0,0.75); -moz-box-shadow: 0.1em 0.1em 0.25em rgba(0,0,0,0.75); -webkit-box-shadow: 0.1em 0.1em 0.25em rgba(0,0,0,0.75);"><span style="text-shadow: 0.1em 0.1em 0.2em rgba(0,0,0,0.5);">Jack Merridew   09:21, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
 * WP:ANI

p.s. I love Dae's trailing comma...


 * Roarr..? [zilla eats ANI. ]    bishzilla     ROA R R! !    10:43, 2 December 2009 (UTC).

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Catholic Church
Welcome to the fiery mess that is the article on Catholic Church. Your perspective would be very valuable in helping to identify areas that still need improvement (and as an outside voice hopefully your opinion might be taken better than mine or others who are active on the talk page). It generally takes weeks and a whole archive page to get anything changed in this article. For simplicity's sake, there's a subpage Talk:Catholic Church/Unresolved issues to identify issues that still need to be worked on once the current "discussion" ends. If you haven't been completely turned off the article, it would be invaluable if you could add to that list a few of the areas you would like to see changed. Thanks for your help. Karanacs (talk) 18:36, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Wow, [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Catholic_Church&diff=329164891&oldid=329163438 that's] how an opinion is better taken on that talkpage..? I've got to say, the Opus Dei crowd was surprisingly more civil when I ventured there, way back when. But then they were for a while extremely keen and hopeful about getting it Featured; that may have been the big difference. Anyway, I'm no shrinking violet—fortunately, considering those naively suicidal NPOV impulses I get now and then. (I had no idea a plain small edit to the Drapier's Letters could possibly aggravate anybody, though—did you happen to see the charming dialogue that ensued?) I'll take a look. Bishonen | talk 21:02, 2 December 2009 (UTC).
 * Compared to the responses I get, you were welcomed with open arms ;) Tensions are particularly high right now due to repeated edit-warring and a user RfC I filed against one of the long-term editors.  If it wasn't such an important article, I'd have permanently given up in frustration long ago.  I certainly wouldn't blame anyone else for staying as far away from the article as possible. Karanacs (talk) 21:18, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Bishonen baby, sweatheart, you have joined amd embraced the faith. That is Good news, salavation is upon you, we can now be together always, apart from Purgatorio, where naturally you will have to stay longer than me, as I have been a card carrier since birth. I personally have never been interested enough in the page to edit it, but as a Pope once observed "converts are always the keenest.  Giano   22:38, 2 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh, there you are! Believe it or not, I was just thinking what a great team we'd make for the purpose, you and I, together representing, as we do, all possible and impossible opinions on the subject. Will you post on Talk:Catholic Church to inform all other editors that they need to stay away and leave the article to us for a month or so? Or shall I? Jubilation and encouragement is sure to ensue in either case. Bishonen | talk 23:00, 2 December 2009 (UTC).
 * Certainly not, I don't edit religious pages, life is contraversial enough as it is. Without becoming involved with the sort of people who keep smiling at one and claping their hands and hopping about. I went to an American service once, it was quite exhausting – why they can't just sit down quietly without all this leaping around the sanctuary, shaking each other's hands and grinning like Cheshire cats is beyond me. No, religion is all about popping a few Euros in the box and a quick "Santa Maria, Madre di Dio, prega per noi peccatori", and out again. Take my advice – leave it alone.  Giano   00:47, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
 * See? What did I tell you? Impossible opinions! Who can afford Euros? Bishonen | talk 01:28, 3 December 2009 (UTC).

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 * Delete; crap.[//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Employer_branding&diff=prev&oldid=331248187] Bishonen | talk 11:36, 12 December 2009 (UTC).

Re: don't be so rude
It's not uncivil to refer to the basic rules of wikipedia, especially when an article clearly defies them. I have not knowledge of, or interest in, the particular editor who happened to create the article, except insofar as they clearly violated, and therefore appeared unfamiliar with, the concept of NPOV. The person who edited the page is irrelevant. What matters is the content. And the content does not follow the rules. In this case the editor clearly took a biography (or a hundred biographies – it makes no difference), and then reprinted the subjective personal opinions of the biographer verbatim, and in the editorial voice, even in the lead. I found your message uncivil: if the editor is "renowned" in our virtual world, then they have less of an excuse, not more of one. Best Avaya1 (talk) 04:25, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
 * That's your best? Wonderful. Bishonen | talk 17:03, 22 December 2009 (UTC).
 * Bishonen, you are a great writer, a fantastic editor and so long as none of your friends are involved, an outstanding administrator. But add Giano or Georgre to the mix and you automatically go on the defensive.  And while that is a commendable trait in a friend its not a good thing for an administrator.  What you just said to Avaya is case in point.  Her response to you was both fair and articulate.  Which is not to say that Avaya was right about Giano only that you were wrong (there, I said it) to blow her off in such a curt manner.  Be honest, if she had been talking about Piotrus would you really have gotten involved as quickly as you did?  And if you had, would you really have answered her with, "That's your best?  Wonderful."--*Kat* (talk) 14:40, 25 December 2009 (UTC)

Happy holidays!

 * Thanks, Julian, you too! We have even more snow here at the north pole...pity I don't have a pic to upload. Bishonen | talk 17:05, 22 December 2009 (UTC).

Barbro Alving
I've left a brief note at WT:FAC in reply to your question about Alving. I don't know if you have access to New York Times archives, but I do, so I took a quick look. There's a movie review of Bang och världshistorien, which you don't mention, but presumably know of. The review summary says "Bang was the most famous female war correspondent of all time", which is certainly an assertion of notability. (I think the quote would have to be attributed to Baseline Studio Systems, which is probably the movie distributor or producer, rather than to the NYT.) I did find a mention of her in a 1939 article, but it simply says she's a "young Swedish journalist who will cover the opening of the World's Fair".

Here's the film review in full, in case you don't have access to it: "Bang was the most famous female war correspondent of all time. She had her breakthrough reporting with the OS in Hitler’s Berlin, 1936. She is internationally well-known and recognized as one of only two female war correspondents during the Spanish civil war. Bang's development from a small inebriate reporter in Stockholm to being a world-class journalist is an excellent example for the potential for development by any career oriented women." Perhaps not that useful, but I liked the "small inebriate" line!

Another NYT article was about an exhibition in Madrid in early 2007 titled "Correspondents in the Spanish Civil War 1936-1939". It mentions Alving in passing, but I wonder if there are sources about that exhibition that might describe Alving's work.

-- Mike Christie (talk) 13:38, 23 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks, Mike! Bang remained pretty inebriate for many years, actually. Foreign correspondents are supposed to be hard-drinking, after all. I know of the film, yes, though I haven't seen it. The woman who made it, Maj Wechselman (is that the right movie?), is pretty well-known over here in her own right. (Maybe I'll do an article about her some day.) Anyway, for Bang, I plan to totally ignore the "career oriented women" angle, the way Bang herself always did. :-) Bishonen | talk 15:44, 23 December 2009 (UTC).


 * Yes, that's the film. Presumably usable as a source; might be useful, since you're short of non-autobiographical sources.  Anyway, I look forward to the final article; your work is always a pleasure to read.  Later -- Mike Christie (talk) 20:11, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

Oliver Twist
As Wikioedia's leading authority on English Lit, would you take a look here [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Oliver_Twist&curid=3989031&diff=333390700&oldid=330746237] – it seems some own research may have crept in, while I am not against a little own research – there is a limit, and I doubt Queen Victoria's favourite author was thinking along those lines. Besides which, I don't think they called it mastubation in those days and even if they did, they didn't, as they quite rightly knew it would make them go bald, blind and walk with a limp. Anyway, everyone knows that it's Captain Pugwash – who had Master Bates and Roger, the cabin boy and so on. Personally, I can never read Dickens – far too miserable and sad for one of my mournful and melacholic disposition, I always want to shoot myself by the end of Chapter 1. Captain Pugwash is far more entertaining.  Giano  17:50, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
 * That Captain Pugwash stuff is an urban myth, but I think we can credit Dickens with a little more sophistication (or as Scott MacDonald so eloquently puts it: [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Oliver_Twist&action=historysubmit&diff=333593803&oldid=333550456]). I recommend Dombey and Son; everything works out nicely – well, there are few bankruptcies, loveless marriages and deaths, but nothing excessive – and the baddie takes a lovely train journey at the end (it's also got a comic sea-captain and misadventures at sea, so should keep Pugwash fans happy). Yomangani talk 18:23, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
 * And here I had no idea you were Wikipedia's leading authority on self-abuse, Giacomo! It don't make no never mind whether Dickens had it in mind or not — it's still Original Research with bells on, as long as there isn't a reference for it. Presumably there's no need for me to chime in on the talkpage? There seems to be a sufficiency of eloquence there already — certainly if we count Doc Scott's edit to the article. User Yo Mama, where you been, man? Bishonen | talk 19:58, 23 December 2009 (UTC).
 * I've been concerning myself with some desperate but futile flapping (see, there's some of that in article space too). Not particularly festive as articles go but better than some Swedish hack. God Jul! Yomangani talk 20:29, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Typical, Doc says I should remove it – Oh no, I discuss on talk pages and leave beautifully polite edit summaries – unlike some people. It is nice to see you Yomangani, but I am unconvinced about the Pugwash urban myth – I used to like Captain Pugwash – when I was kid and we came to England for the first time it was my favourite program – very eduacational and helped me with my English, which is more than that dreary old Dickens ever did.  Giano   23:08, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I am suitably chastised for my incivility. As for Mr Bleak, "there are books of which the backs and covers are by far the best parts."--Scott Mac (Doc) 23:17, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Well I am not going to try and read any more of his miserable books, in fact my Christmas book is going to be by Kafka because I think when I have my next arbitration case it would sound very intelectual and clever if I keep referring to things as "Kafkaesque." I don't currently know what it means, but it sounds like it might mean an arb case involving me.  Giano   23:53, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Your "next arb case"? Is it in production already? I have to say that your annual Christmas Special this year was not among my favourites. I just hope the Dr Who Christmas specials are not so disappointing, or this festive season will be extremely lacking in good dramas. Anyway, if your next show is not through pre-production yet, keep me in mind during casting. My drama skills are quite renowned. (Oh wait, wasn't I one of the ugly sisters in one of the previous cases? So long ago.).--Scott Mac (Doc) 00:16, 24 December 2009 (UTC)
 * You may use my Joseph K. wikimood when you're next feeling kafkaesque, Giacomo. Man, that's intellectual, and I only ever seem to use the Rain of Frogs anyway. That's one mood for every season. Bishonen | talk 00:29, 24 December 2009 (UTC).
 * Though "A Christmas Carol" and Hard Times are awful, Bleak House and the others are excellent (if flawed). The word "Kafkaesque" to me sounds very 1950s-ish (yes, yes, after Kafka); I don't recall it said by anyone who seemed to have imbibed Kafka directly rather than at third hand. Now Giano, the guide to all the self-abnegation required for your travails is Jakob von Gunten, perhaps with a dash of Locos. -- Hoary (talk) 16:31, 25 December 2009 (UTC)

Seasonal
Just dropping by to wish season's greetings, however you may care to mark it, to you Bish, and to anyone else who remembers me and chances to drop by here. Filiocht | The kettle's on 09:38, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

Oh, I almost forgot; a little gift of memory.
 * Lovely to see you, Blarneyman! Here's a seasonal "Wipe your bottom!" to you, too! Bishonen | talk 10:29, 24 December 2009 (UTC).


 * What a pleasant surprise. "Seasonal greetings", is that the politically correct way to say "Merry Christmas" nowadays? Never mind, "god jul och gott nytt år", everybody. Kosebamse (talk) 20:19, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Or whatever the Irish call it... The best way nowadays is in fact "Merry Evolutionmass", Kosebamse. See this greeting, originally posted to young Bishapod (proudly at the head of Darwin's reindeer!) by his birth father Dave souza. Bishonen | talk 22:00, 26 December 2009 (UTC).
 * ;-) Paul August ☎ 02:10, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

General help required
Dearest Mrs Bishonen, I have just tuned into Wikipedia, breaking off my Alaskan skiing holiday with poor Mrs Palin (one tries to be a comfort in her hour of need) when I saw this charming advertisement for a general domestic Arbitration Committee/Noticeboard it seems some form of general dogsbody and workhorse is required – I instantly thought of you – My first choice was naturally dearest Giacomo, but he was very negative and, I thought, a trifle crude saying that "including what you feel you have to offer the committee, and why you are applying for the position" begged the answer given by a mindless Bimbo in a swimsuit at a beauty pageant – and it wasn't helping poor little orphans! Whatever, I thought I would just mention the oportunity. One does wonder who that unkempt person is, pointing in that vulgar fashion; Giacomo said it was somebody called Uncle Sam (whose uncle he knew not) looks more like the ringmaster in a travelling public circus to me. Must go, my best wishes to you all for a joyous New Year. Lady Catherine de Burgh (the Late) (talk) 23:34, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Funny you should say that, dear Lady C; I was just thinking of sending Little Stupid. He loves to be useful—oh, look, he's [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration_Committee/Noticeboard&diff=prev&oldid=334983327 already started]! He's in fact a surprisingly good speller. A happy new year to you! Bishonen | talk 00:35, 31 December 2009 (UTC).

Thanks
Thanks for your message. I restored one comment only to note that misrepresentations aren't acceptable per the civility policy. An admin should certainly be aware of this, and I hope you are as concerned as I am about political partisans abusing their tools as I am! Cheers. No need to reply. I've moved on to other editing efforts. Thanks. ChildofMidnight (talk) 22:23, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Glad to hear it! (^_^) Push button, receive bacon! Elvis 22:37, 3 January 2010 (UTC).
 * I'm trying to sort out broucci and Jan Karafiát actually. I see there are extensive articles about Jan and the bug creatures of children's literature on the Czech Wikipedia Karafi%25C3%25A1t&ei=ax9BS9uAF4jasQPzkcjBBA&sa=X&oi=translate&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CA0Q7gEwAA&prev=/search?q=Jan+Karafi%25C3%25A1t&hl=en&rls=com].microsoft:en-us], but the last time I tried to bring in translated material (with an edit summary giving attribution to the appropriate wiki) the effort was summarily deleted. So I'm not sure how to proceed. I'm confident the Czechs are more expert on their children's literature than I am, so I'd rather not reinvent the wheel here. I wonder what they eat??? Żur śląski perhaps? ChildofMidnight (talk) 23:08, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

Translation problem (Barbro Alving)
This is in response to your [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3ANoetica&action=historysubmit&diff=335673052&oldid=335648842 two consecutive changes] to User talk:Noetica as of 19:13, 3 January 2010. I noticed your apology to Noetica "for filling up [Noetica's] page", and it occurred to me that you might wish to place the draft of your text at User:Bishonen/Barbro Alving and then leave a brief note at User talk:Noetica, referring the discussion to User talk:Bishonen/Barbro Alving. I can not speak for Noetica's preferences, but that would be my preference at my talk page. I am mentioning this with some hesitation, because I myself occupied a large part of Noetica's talk page with my recent comments there.

By the way, here is a link to Category:User sv (Wikipedians who speak Swedish), and here is a link to Category:Wikipedians who contribute to the Swedish Wikipedia. -- Wavelength (talk) 17:40, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you, but for several reasons I'd rather no do it that way. Er.. you think I ought to create User:Bishonen/Barbro Alving? I wasn't planning to. I have created User:Bishonen/Bang, but I haven't started using it to any purpose yet, and, well, it's not ready for use—I'm working on an article in a text editor. I hope Noetica feels free to delete my screed when s/he has looked at it. But thanks very much for the suggestion, I can see its advantages, but still... Regards, Bishonen | talk 23:58, 4 January 2010 (UTC). (PS, I don't contribute to Swedish wiki so as you'd notice—just very occasionally.)
 * Hi Bishonen. I have replied to you at my talkpage. Thanks to Wavelength for useful suggestions about procedure (as always!); but in fact this has worked out well enough.
 * Regards,
 * – ⊥¡ɐɔıʇǝo N oetica! T– 02:14, 5 January 2010 (UTC) (He, not she: of no consequences except for the matter of choosing a pronoun. See current MOS discussion.)
 * On the question of whether you "ought" to create that subpage, I can find no definitive rule in Wikipedia guidelines. The closest information that I can find is at Help:Talk page and it discusses subpages as an option for talk pages.
 * -- Wavelength (talk) 03:24, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

Frozen animated gifs ... etc
The one on my page just froze, too. (Other problems as well.) Software update snafu I think. Proofreader77 (interact) 01:25, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Does it affect swimming, too? Bishapod upset!  bish a pod   splash!  11:23, 7 January 2010 (UTC).
 * Did someone say "froze"? My kingdom rises. NiceandFreezy (talk) 02:25, 7 January 2010 (UTC) (P.S. Bish, your username is in the history, no need for a footnote. That's too much. I'll freeze your article if you do that.)
 * Yeah...Freezy make good point. Or why not let Little Stupid or great Zilla shine in History? Now deploy DeCRYOTM 3000-T, thaw the sad pod!  bish a pod   splash!  11:23, 7 January 2010 (UTC).

22041. Tech folks will resolve. Proofreader77 (interact) 19:57, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Bugzilla has been filed for this ...
 * Thank you proofreader! One error in report: description say "but the thumbnails shown on the image description page (and anywhere else thumbnails appear) show only a still image." This not true for swimapod, whose image description page thumbnail here shows animated Pod (scroll down to see small swimming Pod thumbnail). Unlike Bishapod userpage, which show still thumbnail in "See Bishapod swim" userbox. Proofreader report, if this matters? (Pod scared to report. Bugzilla too much like Bishzilla!)  bish a pod   splash!  21:12, 7 January 2010 (UTC).


 * Poor old dino sorry for frozen Bishapod. T-Rexx use hot breath to unfreeze Little-pod. Better now? -- T-RexxS (talk) 16:34, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Absolutely not. You will be the first against the wall of ice when my subzero revolution takes place (preparations are going slowly only because of the inhospitably cold conditions in my Ice Fortress). NiceandFreezy (talk) 17:00, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
 * [Bishzilla wakes up, foolishly susceptible to T-Rex charms as always. ] Where other sexy T-Rex? Met [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Bot_requests&diff=prev&oldid=233525708 this one] long time ago! Always dream of! [Seductively: ] What happen candlelight dinner, mighty T-Rex?   bishzilla     ROA R R! !    21:40, 11 January 2010 (UTC).
 * Oh, Zilla! It's not the same T-rex, you silly monster, and what has Tex told you about wikiflirting? Go back to sleep. Bishonen | talk 21:46, 11 January 2010 (UTC).

Colley Cibber
Hey. I was wondering whether you can confirm whether the quote on Colley Cibber by George Berrell is legitimate or not. I've noticed that an IP added the [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Colley_Cibber&action=historysubmit&diff=72879761&oldid=71348691 source] back in 2006, and have found nothing when googling the book (not surprising since it was unpublished). A student completing his dissertation was asking about the quote/book on IRC today. —Dark 02:07, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Sorry, Dark, I don't know that source. The quote sounds convincing, that's all I can say. The fortunes of Cibber's plays in the US are unfortunately something of a closed book to me. And when it comes to unpublished stuff ... sorry, no. Bishonen | talk 05:33, 9 January 2010 (UTC).
 * Okay no problems. Thanks anyway. —Dark 06:22, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

Samfundet De Nio
Thanks for the proofreading! --Apoc2400 (talk) 01:00, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Heh, de nada. Thanks for the appreciation! Bishonen | talk 01:55, 11 January 2010 (UTC).

Where Bishes?


Little Gooch miss all the Bishes. Where Mighty 'Zilla and Little Stupid and Momma Bish? Have good Christmas? Have good New Year? Little Gooch need MOAR Bishes around the wiki, please. Gooch (talk) 21:24, 22 January 2010 (UTC)


 * (Little Stupid enter joyously on Christmas trike from WBardwin, pedalling furiously. ] Wienie 'shonen, mighty Zilla, User:Bishapod, the bishbaby and whatever the unruly family call themselves now, merely taking hibernation break with cupcakes, little Gooch! Appreciate attention, have cupcake, throw new surprise partyUser talk:Gooch soon!

Taj Mahal of Cupcakes redux
Hahaha—actually rolling on the floor laughing out loud—what a delicious temple and template!Special:PermanentLink/340001019 That goes up on top of page (or top of Reichstag)! Thank you T-Rex! Are you and 'Zilla planning to snack on that beauty at your intimate candlelight dinner, huh? :-) Bishonen | talk 22:36, 25 January 2010 (UTC).


 * Candle stump on holder.jpg
 * Poor old dino looking forward to meeting mighty 'Zilla one day. Needs to work out first how to light candles without melting them :( -- T-RexxS (talk) 22:58, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
 * You're right. Very good point. Better make it an intimate atomic deathray dinner, perhaps? Bishonen | talk 00:43, 26 January 2010 (UTC).
 * ShinjukuStreet02.JPG
 * Maybe settle for eating Tokyo at night. -- T-RexxS (talk) 02:24, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
 * [Zilla basks in Tokyo bright lights and simpers attractively at T-Rex. ] Bishonen | talk 06:07, 26 January 2010 (UTC).

How many stars are you worth? Administrators' noticeboard/Incivility blocks
Hi Sweetheart, How are you? Just dropping in to see what is happening and found my name being bandied about in my absence (actually I had an email saying my name was being bandied about in my absence) – whatever, I am enjoying a long and happy rest from Wikipedia (or was) only doing barest maintenance. However, I do dislike those that talk behind backs when they think no one is looking, and even more dislike the idea of such people now awarding stars to their favourites, can you beleive such an idea can be possible even as a suggestion, against all fundamental Wikipeda beliefs – mind you wikipedia lost most of its high ideals years ago, but are we really to see posing little twits not only being admins but signing their names with a series of stars like some sweat stained tinpot dictator wearing cheap alloy medals in some flea-bitten, disease ridden banana republic? Is that what Wikipedia has finally come to be?  Giano  08:18, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh, be magnanimous with your subjects, Giano, since you've been raised to the heavens: "No policy will work unless it works in the case of Giano". Are you verifiable and appropriately named? I'm all for the star system as it gives one the ability to refer to four star editors in a manner that befits their status: "EditorX is a such a ****, I always suspected he was a real ****, and have been tempted to call him a ****, or at least a *** on many occasions". Exactly the kind of civility rule we need. Yomangani talk 11:11, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Bah. Giano gets too much attention! I have just made a pitch [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incivility_blocks&diff=prev&oldid=340313824 here] for being an overall much more uncivil editor than he. Let not my grande gestes be forgotten! Bishonen | talk 11:20, 27 January 2010 (UTC).
 * I started the star system in user space a long time ago, but it never caught on. I can't understand why: it's a lot less work than most other ranking systems though just as worthy. Yomangani talk 11:29, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Very nice, as such, but I think it may have failed to achieve popularity because a technical illiterate such as (for instance) me has trouble adding themselves to that table or template or Taj Mahal thing on your list. I just spent longer than I care to admit attempting to add Bishzilla as performing the useful function of eating useless users... no go. :-( So much wikicode, so few cupcakes. Bishonen | talk 15:57, 27 January 2010 (UTC).

Prissy?
I'm sorry you think that Bish. - Tbsdy (formerly Ta bu shi da yu) talk 12:32, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah. And I was so pleased to see you. I'm sorry you gave me cause, Ta bu. Bishonen | talk 17:29, 2 February 2010 (UTC).
 * Well, I've had run-ins with Giano before, and let's be frank here – neither of you were very kind towards the good faith suggestion of the starring system. I'm not sure where that came from, but while the idea is never something that will catch on (nor should it), your reaction to the idea was less than impressive. I think your prissy comment is out of line, but then my comment towards Giano was not really wise either – though it's truly what I think of him.
 * I'll leave you be, but before I do let me prissily point out that prissy means "excessively prim, proper, particular or fussy". I believe the word you were probably looking for there was supercilious. - Tbsdy (formerly Ta bu shi da yu) talk 01:29, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
 * [Considers.] Nah, that wasn't it. I don't think I'll share what it was. Now it's "passive aggressive", as in "my comment wasn't really wise, though it's truly what I think of him." Good one. Bishonen | talk 11:14, 3 February 2010 (UTC).
 * More likely "sanctimonious" – really Ta bu shi da yu, do you imagine I am the least bothered by your opinion of me? In my experience, those that have an overriding preoccupation with civility are usually those that feel they should be treated a little differently and given more respect – obviously, the type of person who is not given to self-analysis. I'm afraid however much you and your friends jump up and down and FT2 writes dull and ever changing monologues on the subject, I and many others will not be talking to idiots with the malevolent delicacy of an 18th century French courtier – We are here (at least some of us are) to write an encyclopedia not pander to the sensibilities and obsessions of those who are seemingly here with other agendas. That such people are not told on a daily basis to "Fuck off and do something useful" is nothing short of miraculous, and about as much as they can hope for. One only has to look at the ever increasing numbers of goose-stepping admins who have jumped on the civility bandwagon to make their name, rather than in the fields of writing, to see how destroying this obsessing has become. I suggest Ta bu shi da yu you take this message back to wherever it is these people communicate and tell them to grow up, get real and more importantly  to learn the difference between a robust and blunt opinion, fawning and mincing civility and real true crude intimidating  incivility, which no one would condone – or better still, tell them to find something useful to do.   Giano   08:16, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Sorry, you're correct, sanctimonious was the word I was looking for. Sorry, I didn't read anything after that point. - Tbsdy (formerly Ta bu shi da yu) talk 11:31, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
 * No, I don't expect you did. It's the blinkered attitude that allows the "Randy from Boise" attitude to prevail and flourish.  Giano   13:25, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Giano, are you this funny in real life? Goose stepping admins.  Chuckle.  Jehochman Brrr 13:41, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Did you know he writes all his own material, Jonathan? What a guy. Bishonen | talk 18:00, 3 February 2010 (UTC).
 * I came back and read what he wrote... I was busy bathing my newborn (only 8 days old now!). Well, I sort of read it. He kind of lost me halfway through the rant. Honestly, if he'd never added the comment we wouldn't have been any worse off. It was kind of pointless really! - Tbsdy (formerly Ta bu shi da yu) talk 13:57, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Newborn what?  Giano   14:06, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Boy :-) Tbsdy (formerly Ta bu shi da yu) talk 14:08, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
 * That's nice, I've fathered some of those.  Giano   14:09, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Pretty demanding! Cause I'm tired I've been wikignoming, not to mention the civility thing I've been working on. Just so you know, I didn't raise your name, that was someone else and I tried to steer clear of the whole thing – sure, I've had run-ins with you in the past (I believe I put one of your articles on FARC?) but I've always been a fan of your work. Sadly, you launched into another editor somewhat unexpectedly, hence my snarky remark about your character. But what can I say? You aren't really being disruptive in main article space, but you can be pretty mean. I just try to steer clear of you. - Tbsdy (formerly Ta bu shi da yu) talk 14:12, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Anyway. I remain delighted to hear about your babies, and to see Emily. Bishonen | talk 18:00, 3 February 2010 (UTC).
 * Who the Hell's Emily?  Giano   19:04, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Here she is. I don't know who the prim guy she's sitting on is. Bishonen | talk 21:12, 3 February 2010 (UTC).
 * Dearest little Mrs Bishonen, it looks to me as though that child's nanny has not been properly trained; one realises Atinpodeans have "very different" standards (no one can I say that i am not very aware of the cultural differences regarding civility and nations) but a child romping with a parent? - where will it end. By six months, my own five children, Trig, Trog, Track, Sofa-Table and Whatever-I called-it, were all esconced in boarding schools – learning to be upstanding and civil members of the ruling class. Take my advice, Mr Tim-buk-Too get that child trained early and cease all this romping about. Lady Catherine de Burgh (the Late) (talk) 22:33, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
 * What I wonder would motivate someone to report that it had not read a post? It went unfed anyway, as most lurkers here are quite wise to that sort of fishing for a cross retort.--Wetman (talk) 20:18, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Hello Wetman, fancy you seeing you here. Well Emily looks very nice and bonny, I must introduce her to my youngest, Quasimodo. I'm a great beleiver in the arranged marriage; saves so much juvenile angst and fumbling about – not to mention family angst; I always think its nice when beautiful people marry each other – no one wants a grandchild that has to be perambulated with a bucket on its head.  Giano   22:14, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Like I say, mean. That's my child you are talking about! Time to disengage. - Tbsdy (formerly Ta bu shi da yu) talk 00:28, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
 * TB, you're climbing up the wrong tree with the wrong end of the stick firmly between your teeth. Do read a little more attentively. Please. I'd rather not believe that you come to my page determined to see a monster in anybody who speaks to you, but you're making it very difficult. If you can't see that we were both going out of our way to be nice about your cute baby girl, then I don't know what to say to you. Except perhaps "Yes, do disengage, good idea." Bishonen | talk 01:02, 4 February 2010 (UTC).
 * Somebody, just beam me up......  Giano   22:46, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

Professorial stuff
Thanks for helping me drowning the unsuspecting innocent bystanders in text at Articles for deletion/Tommy Möller. I have tried to explain how the professorial stuff works in Sweden, what with lärostolar and all that. If you care to add or correct anything, you're welcome. I suspect that the article will somehow be kept and will keep looking like complete crap, unless someone like User:Tomas e (who has written articles on Swedish scientists) takes it under his wings. --Hegvald (talk) 14:12, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah, people should be good and stunned now, with my tl;dr followed by yours, lol. I think I'll just go add that I'm a little appalled at the idea of using the sakkunnigutlåtanden for wikipedia. Even if they are already on the internet. Wiki is more visible. Bishonen | talk 17:27, 2 February 2010 (UTC).

Contemplating a tentative comeback
BISH! OMG! how have you been? What have you been up to? It's been literally YEARS since I was last active on here. It's great to see that you're still living it up and still got love for this project. I'm actually thinking about making a tentative comeback. (Surprising I know) I mean, I know I will never be as active as I was before for obvious reason as well as changes in my personal life, but I feel like it couldn't hurt if I start editing under the radar again. I feel like I still have a deep-rooted passion for this project and that I bring something unique to the table. Cuz that's what this encyclopedia is all about anyway. I was just so sick and tired of all the controversy, the drama and the spotlight. I need someone I trust to consult with about the current dynamics of the project to decide whether I should come back or not and you obviously know that I have a lot of respect for your entire body of work. So update me. What's been going on since I left? Is there any major rule changes? Lol I'm even sure if 3RR still exists. Who are the new up-and-coming guys I gotta watch my back on? (Actually don't tell me that on-wiki. It would piss them off lol.) Do I need to adapt my editing style as far as rules go? Anyway, it's good to see you alive and breathing. I just wanted to drop in here, say whatsup, and see how y'all are doing. Best wishes. Holla back!--NWA.Rep (talk) 08:59, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
 * The rules are surprisingly similar to what they were, Boney, as far as I can remember. I'd be glad to see you back, you're a good guy. Dear watchers at this page, am I forgetting any changes I ought to tell Bonafide.Hustla/Certified.Gangsta/NWA.Rep about? He left at the end of 2008. Bishonen | talk 11:26, 3 February 2010 (UTC).
 * Things are not much different from the end of 2008, except we don't link dates for autoformatting and it's more acceptable to set the size of images – but those are minor points. As for important up-and-coming editors, Boney will of course have to watch his ankles for Bishapod! --RexxS (talk) 12:46, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
 * There are definitely more civility police around the wiki these days. Don't curse or tell a fool that he is a fool or you will be blocked.  Things aren't as "fun" as they were in the old days.  The Mighty 'Zilla doesn't come around as much as she used to.  That's about it. Tex (talk) 16:34, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
 * That reminds me: don't block an arb or take Jimbo to RFAR. Pity you missed when some disruptive user pulled those stunts, Boney. You'd probably have enjoyed it. Bishonen | talk 18:06, 3 February 2010 (UTC).
 * Thanks for all the updates everyone :) ANDDD Bishy, I was actually one step ahead of you lol. I skimmed through all the FT2 stuff, the Jimbo dispute, and the despicable attempt to drive Geogre out of the project last night. I have to say that I'm very impressed by the way you stood up against the so-called establishment/authority. I'm so proud of you. Given that civility seems to be in vogue, I found this underhanded, sarcastic personal attack against me on Future Perfect at Sunrise's userpage [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Future_Perfect_at_Sunrise&action=historysubmit&diff=253265809&oldid=230849977]. I'm pretty sure this kinda backhanded statements are not allowed even in the old days especially when it is specifically targeted at a particular editor. If you guys don't remember the history, this is the same admin who drove me out of the project and sabotaged my arbCom candidacy near the end of 2008. The full recap can be found in the "farewell address" of my talkpage. I'm over that though. And quite frankly, I don't wish to revisit that topic. I feel that the arbcom's decision to strongly admonish Future Perfect for displaying a long pattern of incivil, rude, offensive, and insulting behavior towards other editors and failure to address the community's concerns in this regard in the Requests for arbitration/Macedonia 2 more than vindicated me. I'm all done with drama and just want to make some sporadic edits with a little peace and quiet, but I will greatly appreciate if someone can ask him to remove the insensitive, vindictive sandbox from his userpage.--NWA.Rep (talk) 06:56, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
 * My technostupidity strikes again: I can't find what you're referring to on FPAS' page. Also, I think he's a good guy. Did he really do all that? Bishonen | talk 10:01, 4 February 2010 (UTC).
 * Sorry, I mean userbox actually. I'm retarded. There's an userbox (the second one on his page) that says "this user took the definition of admin abuse to a new level" following with a diff. quoting "me" from the November 2008's incident that drove me out of Wikipedia for good. I honestly don't care what he puts on the page, but I don't want him quoting my diff. That's all.--NWA.Rep (talk) 10:11, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
 * [/me can't stop laughing at the penguin on FP's page. ] Oh, Boney..! It looks to me like he's being self-deprecating rather than attacking you. Plus, nobody ever clicks on a diff on a userpage. They really don't. If he had mentioned you by name, it would have been different, and I'd have asked him to remove it. I hope you can put the whole thing behind you. Bishonen | talk 10:28, 4 February 2010 (UTC).
 * I'm all about humor, but it's not like me and him are tight or anything. If nobody clicks it, then why does he put it here? But whatever. Don't sweat it. The best way to put this mess behind me is hope I don't cross path with that guy again.--NWA.Rep (talk) 10:43, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Speak swedish?
If so, would you do me a favor and check all of the Strindberg titles? Thank You User:Phaeton23
 * Sure. I meant to get back to it, I was just sleepy. Bishonen | talk 23:29, 5 February 2010 (UTC).
 * I've done a bit more, will fix the rest soon. Did you write the article? Nice work! It's a huge subject. Bishonen | talk 01:06, 6 February 2010 (UTC).

Something ridiculous this way comes
Every time I think I've seen the most ridiculous thing on Wikipedia, [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User%3AGeogre&action=historysubmit&diff=342413332&oldid=342408120 something] more ridiculous comes along to outdo it. Get the impression this person has no idea what Geogre was about?


 * ...young boys and girls
 * Are level now with men; the odds is gone,
 * And there is nothing left remarkable
 * Beneath the visiting moon.

Geogre leaving the project was one of the worst losses we've ever had. Sigh. Antandrus (talk) 23:48, 7 February 2010 (UTC)


 * [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Tonalone&diff=prev&oldid=342587229 Grrrr]. Bishonen | talk 23:51, 7 February 2010 (UTC).

I'm sorry and feel a little sick at heart
Bish, I've just been given a run down of a nasty bit of wikihistory I wasn't around for. I'm very, very sorry about what happened to you and frankly I feel quite sick that it happened. It appears that Giano was the one of the few to stick up for you, and risked a lot of sanction. I'm not going to say too much more, as the whole situation is controversial and I'm sure you don't want it brought up again and again. But I want to say I'm sorry that this happened to you. I'm not sure my saying this is helpful at all. I always have counted you as a friend on Wikipedia, so when you called me prissy on that thread I was quite taken aback and, to be frank, pretty upset. Then I found out what happened and I felt angry and sad at the same time, which is an unusual feeling really.

Given this, my views on Giano have changed a little, but not by that much. I hope that these views don't stop our friendship. - Tbsdy (formerly Ta bu shi da yu) talk 21:40, 14 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Oh, has the little LessHeard been gossiping? Trust me, I've seen worse than the IRC case. The worst thing about that case was that it drove my good friend User:Bunchofgrapes permanently off the site. He couldn't stand so many bastards all at the same time... :-( I miss him. And I've received worse from your well-spoken mates in the Civility Patrol, too. (Names left out here, as it's hardly worth rooting around in that squalid stuff. I just hope they'll see their way to leaving me alone... some time.) You sure missed some drama during your break. As for "prissy"... I'm sorry you were upset, but... upset? I've said far worse to Giano. Oh well. I've been wondering if you remember yanking  this article, the work of several hands, out of my userspace and listing it on FAC? :-) Bishonen | talk 23:42, 14 February 2010 (UTC).
 * Lessheard did fill me in as I couldn't for the life of me work out what he was saying on his talk page. I really mean this, I am truly sorry about what happened to you during my absence. I just saw the Jimbo block, and I was a bit stunned.
 * With regards to the prissy statement... I don't know if you've noticed, but I rarely say anything insulting to others. Yes, sometimes I do but I always regret it... always. And you know I'm pretty sensitive when it comes to comments from friends – remember that disagreement where I thought you had insulted me, but you were actually just gently teasing me? It was I who had to apologise to you, if I do recall. If the prissy comment wasn't meant personally, then I've basically gone off the deep end at you and yet again I need to apologise. What more can I say to make it right?
 * The toilet paper incident I (sort of) remember. It was too long ago! it was a great April Fool's joke though. :-) Actually... I think I vaguely remember I thought a VFD (or was it AFD? Did we even transclude deletion pages back then?) would be funny, which was probably very, very stupid as it ruined the joke. I hope my memory is not faulty here.
 * Anyway, I dunno if the damage has been too great to regain your friendship, I hope not but I guess that if I misunderstood your comment and you are forever angry with me then that's a sad thing. - Tbsdy (formerly Ta bu shi da yu) talk 08:56, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
 * The Jimbo block, bah. Get little Less to show you some of the real fun stuff. Tbsdy, I'm sure Giano wants no better than for both of you to ignore each other, whether technically banned or not. He has better things to do and so have you, surely. Bishonen | talk 11:06, 15 February 2010 (UTC).
 * All right. I'll stay away from that article. I'll tell you why though. Because he defended you, when it appears nobody else would. Not because I like him in any way whatsoever. I have already unwisely expressed my opinion about him, and should have kept quiet as my private opinion was unnecessary and inflammatory. But I will stay away from that article. If I bump into him on another article I might be interested in the future, then I can't guarantee that I'll stay away, but as my area is normally computing I doubt that will happen (though I tend to pick enormously difficult and completely random topics at times, like USA PATRIOT Act).
 * Just so you know, I'm not saying this to regain your friendship. I am merely doing it because someone I know and like (and for reason tend to rub the wrong way, and vice versa) was attacked and someone else I dislike intensely decided to step in at what seems to me to be at great cost to themselves. I have to admire him for that. So OK, I'll remove it from my watchlist and I'll not do anything further, even if I feel it's a pity because I wanted to collaborate. - Tbsdy (formerly Ta bu shi da yu) talk 13:06, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
 * P.S. you must have a lot of people watching your talk page, though I am not. Your last edit summary read "please stop" (which I didn't notice). Does this mean stop sending you messages, or does it mean stop interacting with Giano, or perhaps both? If it means stop messaging you, I apologise as I didn't notice the edit summary. - Tbsdy (formerly Ta bu shi da yu) talk 13:16, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
 * [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard&diff=prev&oldid=344185370 One too many tildes]. Regardless of what happens on that thread, I will not edit the article. I am happy to let that discussion run its course. - Tbsdy (formerly Ta bu shi da yu) talk 14:36, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Good. I think you'll find it pays off. It means the second. Bishonen | talk 17:31, 15 February 2010 (UTC).

Notification of proposed topic/interaction ban on Tbsdy
See here for the proposal. Based on some recent interaction you may have had with the user(s) I thought you might want to know. Thanks. Equazcion ( talk ) 23:49, 14 Feb 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you, Equazcion. I've replied on your page. Bishonen | talk 00:10, 15 February 2010 (UTC).

rev delete request
Hey, could you delete the second rev (of 3) at File:Blenheim Palace overhead1-cropped.png? It's corrupt and does us no good. See Blenheim Palace overhead1 for use; an imagemap that's not yet done. Cheers, Jack Merridew 01:39, 23 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Sorry Jack, I see six revisions and don't know which one to delete. Give its date and time, please. (I'll be going to bed shortly—you can have five minutes.) Bishonen | talk 02:17, 23 February 2010 (UTC).

Hi. Tomorrow would be fine. It's the rev stamped "01:30, 23 February 2010" and that is 427 KB. It's a Photoshop format uploaded to a .png file. duh. See here (rather, see error message there). I meant the second of three uploads and didn't think about the larger number of edits to the text. Thanks, Jack Merridew 02:58, 23 February 2010 (UTC)


 * [Horrified ] Of three up... loads...? [/me deletes palace image at random, eyes screwed tight shut. ] There! I think I'll return those tools to Bishzilla.[//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=&user=Bishzilla&page=&year=&month=-1&hide_patrol_log=1] Admin actions are too scary! Bishonen | talk 11:58, 23 February 2010 (UTC).


 * She shoots, she scores! (but did she see where it's used;) Terima kasih, Jack Merridew 17:11, 24 February 2010 (UTC)


 * 'Tis The Dump! Coming on beautifully, Giacomo. Bishonen | talk 22:26, 26 February 2010 (UTC).
 * It is indeed "completely wreathed in miserabalism" – just the page for a good Catholic in Lent, I could not be more happy.  Giano   22:41, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

Dear Madam (re February 2010)
Hi. Thank you for your response. I admit that I did not read WP:BOLD. It is hard for me as a cyberspace Luddite to keep up with the increasing bureaucracy on Wikipedia, which I often find to be mutually contradictory. Sadly no one ever invokes WP:IAR.

I tried to read WP:BOLD as best I could to get definitive advice on how to proceed in future cases, but I must admit I am confused. The section indicates that boldness is good: ("It is often hard to find out who to talk with to gain consensus. By making a bold edit you attract the attention of people who are genuinely interested in a page, and have it on their watchlist. You can then discuss your issues with them."). I attempted to engage User:Giano in discussion (see [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:GiacomoReturned&diff=cur&oldid=345965708]) but was rebuffed initially. Later he did "engage", initially accusing me of an agenda and insulting me ("a troll is a troll"), none of which appears to have interested any admin involved.

I must admit I did not think I was acting particularly boldly given the Hannah Primrose article, which I did not know was a WP:FA or had such an avid fan base, although I don't think even the fact that the article was FA'ed guarantees that it cannot be improved or is somehow flawless. I really found the Hannah Primrose article to be full of WP:POV and innuendo, and explained that in my edit summary. I also thing that adding the WP:TONE and WP:LONG templates were more than appropriate. Giano simply rved everything with no discussion on any talk page. Evidently no one agrees with me on anything regarding this matter so I do accept that consensus. I would like to end by pointing out that I am not a descendent of Hannah Primrose and have no agenda or axe to grind. I know this missive is already too long. Thanks for listening. Rms125a@hotmail.com (talk) 13:16, 24 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Playing stupid doesn't work for you, Rms. You've had an account since 2005, and even after you were indefinitely blocked in 2006, you continued editing extensively, by the looks of Category:Wikipedia sockpuppets of Rms125a@hotmail.com.  You were unbanned over a year ago. You have had plenty of experience and should know better than to engage in provocation of other users.  Now stop the arguing and causing friction with other users.  Wikipedia isn't for teh lulz. Jehochman Brrr 14:07, 24 February 2010 (UTC)


 * I am not "playing stupid". I am responding to User:Bishonen. I was indeed unbanned in 2009, and to date, you (User:Jehochman) are the sole administrator with whom I have had any serious disagreement. I suspect this is not unrelated to the clear bias you have displayed against me and your completely one-sided approach to the entire Hannah Primrose affair, which I am sure will replicated in anything in which I am involved from now on. By the way, what are "teh lulz"? Rms125a@hotmail.com (talk) 14:23, 24 February 2010 (UTC)


 * See teh and Lulz. Are you saying that Bishonen agrees with you?  I think not. Jehochman Brrr 16:16, 24 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Thank you, Rms; please don't bother about the responding, unless you want to have a serious disagreement with another administrator (me). Aha, I've located my original post to you. It seems to have travelled, I don't know by what means, to your page... even though you answer it on mine. Sorry about that confusing state of affairs; it's none of my doing. Removing my note from your page, while admiring the soapy slipperiness of your words about Jehochman above: you "suspect" your disagreement with him is "not unrelated" to his bias against you. I presume the bias in turn comes from the disagreement? There's no purchase to be had in anything you say. Bishonen | talk 16:50, 24 February 2010 (UTC).
 * Aha, you already took the time to delete my message as "hostile". Good. Bishonen | talk 16:55, 24 February 2010 (UTC).

At it again


This looks nice already...let me know when I get to vandalize it.--MONGO 03:37, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Haha. Bishzilla will get you if you do that before I've written something sensitive about the alcoholism and something dynamic about the lesbianism. [/me tears hair in creative agonies] Got any ice and/or fire planned over at MONGO's? Bishonen | talk 12:10, 28 February 2010 (UTC).
 * I'm sorry to have to say this, but that women looks more like a recalcitrant cleaning lady sitting down on the job. I would dismiss her. Obviously, doesn't buy her wardrobe in Paris does she. A women who wears a hat like that has lost her self respect. Lady Catherine de Burgh (the Late) (talk) 13:03, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Hi there, The Late. Funnily enough I'm getting some help from [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Bishonen/Bang&diff=prev&oldid=346973205 Bang] on the Spanish Civil War, see similarity of edits between her and the Talk:Catholic Church. Quite a talkpage, that! (It's currently on RFAR.) Who is Yorkshirian, do you know? Known from the Troubles, possibly? It sounds familiar. Bishonen | talk 03:00, 1 March 2010 (UTC).
 * Yorkshirian was once banned by Arbcom for this and this. Probably sticking to a single account since then. Strong Catholic and English POVs, I believe. I first noticed him when he tried to censor gay night life from Leeds. (That was way back when the night life section sort of dominated the article.) I have seen him occasionally around Irish topics since his ban expired, but I couldn't say he was disruptive there; certainly not significantly more so than the average editor. Hans Adler 06:44, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Wow, that's some sock drawer! Bishonen | talk 15:50, 1 March 2010 (UTC).
 * I have come across him, I forget where he seems very familiar, but that name does not ring any huge bells. Funny the people who name themselves after English counties, isn't it? Anglo-Catholic I expect  Giano   13:10, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
 * (e/c) I'm scared of Franco-lovers, that's all. Especially with the book I'm reading about Bang's experiences in Spain. I think I'll do a big-ass section about it in [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Bishonen/Bang&diff=prev&oldid=346890040 my sandbox]. Wow, maybe I'll be honoured with some edit warring? My articles could do with a little more excitement, fascists, and so on. Bishonen | talk 13:20, 1 March 2010 (UTC).
 * Apparently, I'm told, I write like Julius Streicher perhaps you would like some help from me.  Giano   13:39, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Sure, you can help me [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Catholic_Church&diff=346996575&oldid=346984034 kill some nuns] and defend Eternal Spain against the Republic's masonic government. It's no wonder the editors of that talkpage greet Yorkshirian with cries of "nice to see that guardian of NPOV Yorkshirian is back"[//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Catholic_Church&diff=347055321&oldid=347039767], is it? Bishonen | talk 15:50, 1 March 2010 (UTC).
 * I have rather a narrow, conservative and Catholic watchlist and it's currently seeing some very interesting editing going on at the moment; I am letting it go one rather than drawing attention to it – it's fascinating. One or two and a few "old acquaintances" are currently crawling out of the woodwork after a prolonged silence and one or two more are enjoying a complete renaissance (a rather "civil" word for socking). I suspect the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse are about to be unleashed again. I of course, had a spell in a cavalry regiment – so ride very well indeed.  Giano   18:54, 1 March 2010 (UTC)



Poetic justice
Because you created this, I feel the compulsion to point out this. All the best, rebound, and get well soon! Sluzzelin talk  21:55, 28 May 2010 (UTC)---


 * Hehe. But mine is the list of lists! I can not credit that it hasn't been deleted yet. Last time I voted Delete myself. No go. Bishonen | talk 22:59, 28 May 2010 (UTC).

Bishes Still Sick?
Little Gooch bring get well messages for all the Bishes! Feel better now? Gooch (talk) 17:07, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Bishsocks feel some better perhaps! Great Zilla tear down hospital, keep plenty maggot cheese in pocket! Gooch got some nice seafood for trusty User:Frutti di Mare also ? Bishonen | talk 17:44, 8 June 2010 (UTC).

Hope your health probs aren't too serious. GoodDay (talk) 23:25, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh, nothing. Head fall off, is all. Bishonen | talk 17:44, 8 June 2010 (UTC).
 * Glue! We have glue!  And high quality duct tape!  Georgewilliamherbert (talk) 18:05, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

Zilla jocularly wrap self all over in duck tape. Fear the mummy! Eat the crawdads!  bishzilla    ROA R R! !   


 * It's duct tape, and gaffa tape works better... for all sorts of things. See my usepage at certain times for a message about this ;)
 * Have a hot lemon at Dewa Warung, Ibu Dewa is kewl. Best wishes, Jack Merridew 19:00, 8 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Have Duck tape in Dino-land. Mmmmm roast duck make Bishes better? T-RexxS (talk) 19:22, 8 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Snapped polar-roid of rampaging Duck Zilla Mummy. See!


 * Great photo. Not capture flaming Tokyo so well, though.  Georgewilliamherbert (talk) 19:27, 8 June 2010 (UTC)
 * [ Zilla stares fascinated at portrait of handsome self. ] Thank you fearsome Dino for beautiful portrait of best-looking wikipedian !  For folk etymology and quack etymology, read Talk:Duck tape !    bishzilla     ROA R R! !    20:19, 8 June 2010 (UTC).

The rosy paths of FAC lead inexorably to FAR and the dreaded "fact" templates
And why pray have you deleted this User Bishonen/Bang? - I was quite enjoying its leisurely production. You can't go arownd deleting things just because silly old Ottava is talking rot on WR and the FA crowd here seem of a similar pursuasion. Take a leaf out of my book and go for the stress-free FA and GA – you write them, but don't bother to go through the lamentable process of getting them FAd – then they are safe because those who dedicate their lives to "improving" the project only look and improve the already accepted good pages, they think all the rest are rubbish and beneath their great talents and leave them alone. My way, you still churn good stuff out and no one tells you that you are crap – simple! By the way, have a look at my new page; it has great photos (I took them myself said with no modesty at all and even edited out a horrible dog pissing up a tree – even Durova has never done that – I think) I am currently working on one of my "dolls' houses" to illustrate it, it's going to be my best page ever ('cos I actually like the house and its got a nice story – like your Bang – a nice old lady completely restored it with love – actually it's nothing like your Bang) but you will see what I mean, you just write an "NFA" (NottaFeaturedArticle) instead of an FA. Hope all is well! Love  Giacomo   08:26, 23 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Love the nice old lady, but please tell Ottava he's not supposed to practise his "pissing up trees" skills in public, Giacomo! Bishonen | talk 23:23, 23 June 2010 (UTC).

Why not startle someone?
Two things, it is the left edit button for this section... and 'Zilla will not be startled, even if you close your eyes while making the suggestion. Thirdly, ignore on page pleadings to be considered (unless you really want to...) LessHeard vanU (talk) 21:24, 24 June 2010 (UTC)


 * [Thinks ]... Daedalus... Elonka... Chillum's sock... No, I wouldn't know what page to put that one on. Oh dear, there are so many surprising choices. Hmm. Oh, it'll come to me in a dream. Tomorrow, the little Less may check it out and be startled. (Jimbo! He wouldn't half be startled!) And can I give the person a crapload of halves of my flutterers from up top, too? Bishonen | talk 22:04, 24 June 2010 (UTC).
 * Careful, they may be watching this page... which means Jimbo is still in the running. You can wrap it however you like, but I shall deliver the other half barnstar – the messenger hopefully being part of the "surprise". LessHeard vanU (talk) 22:08, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I expect you will want to give the other half to me, considering the miles I have walked whilst exercising your bizarre menagerie around Hyde Park every morning throughout your indisposition. Have you any idea of the looks one receives, well, when I say one, I mean Oleg, my new under footman, who actually does the walking (I am forced to supervise from my bedroom window) as Stansilas (my Lithuanian plumber) hates to be woken early by a cold bed. Oleg returns each morning a shivering wreck from the stares of the leather-clad, long haired weirdos and perverts who inhabit the park in the early morning – at one time one only met guardsmen doing their duty there at 6am. However, I am full of suggestions for suitable recipients – do just call if you need any further advice. Lady Catherine de Burgh (the Late) (talk) 22:25, 24 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Yes, dear lady.. soon.. Less Heard, er, they may be watching? Que? I hope so; what's the use of my remarks if they're not? Meanwhile, please go amaze Ohconfucius ! [Bishzilla sticks the little user in her pocket, the more conveniently to ferry him and his valuable load across the wiki — two strides should do it. ] Oh, and I'd better give Little Stupid a star of his own soon, he's looking quite green with envy. As indeed is Lady Catherine. Thank you for your fine scheme, Little Less! Bishonen | talk 10:13, 25 June 2010 (UTC).
 * Two and a half pointed thing duly delivered. ;~) LessHeard vanU (talk) 12:35, 25 June 2010 (UTC)


 * There seems to be a small-circle discussion going on here, which resulted in me being given the other half of the barnstar for which I am thankful but not sure I deserve it. How far do I have to delve before I understand what's going on, I wonder? Ohconfucius  ¡digame! 02:05, 26 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh, the Little Less Heard will enjoy explaining the whole thing to you, especially Lady Catherine. Sure you deserve it! Bishonen | talk 02:54, 26 June 2010 (UTC).
 * I try not to explain my motivations, because I do not care to join the bewildered throng when it comes to understanding (or indeed caring) why I do the things I do. I should suggest that I did what I did because I could – and it amused me to do so. LessHeard vanU (talk) 12:10, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

Spanko!
Re "[//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AMalleus_Fatuorum&action=historysubmit&diff=371273667&oldid=371272914 Pushing bad taste"? You should go for FAC]" – is Featured article candidates/Tarrare not scraping the bottom (sic) enough for you? I'd say Tom and his bum-whacking ways are positively mild in comparison. (I'm sure if they added this kind of thing to the curriculum, a lot more kids would pay attention to 18th century history lessons.) – iride  scent  09:02, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Even more if they added handsome dinosaurs! [Bishzilla is fascinated by Iridescent's cartoon dinosaur. Seductively: ] Little cartoon join Bishzilla harem? Come cavort and disport in pocket!    bishzilla     ROA R R! !    18:32, 2 July 2010 (UTC).
 * Personally, I think "Oh Spanko" sound like the name of an amusing parlour game. I wish I could find someone to play it with me.  Giacomo   18:36, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Perhaps we could play it by email, a sort of "Postal Spanko"? Is "Rod to Buttocks4" a legal opening move? --RexxS (talk) 18:43, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I suspect that may not be quite the riotous fun I had in mind.  Giacomo   18:44, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
 * No, but your version is probably only legal on the Cayman Islands. Bishonen | talk 19:03, 2 July 2010 (UTC).

Forget the spanko – This is far more scintillating!
My Dearest Mrs Bishonen,

One does hope you are recovered. However, I have a problem of some magnitude. My beloved nephew, that so very talented (and rather handsome boy) Giacomo, has exhumed a little known English literary fact, concerning the originality of one  Bill Sikes here; apparently, a  character in that deathly dull book Oliver Twist. I of course have never read a book by Dickens as I have a spirited, lively and intelligent mind, however, I know that you like to read such jottings. While dearest Giacomo does have some references for Dickens making his friend's (Dickens not Giacomo's) lover's husband the villainous Sikes, I am concerned, Giacomo's eagerness for "sexing up" each of his beautiful architectural pages, may eventually lay him low, by those lesser beings who try to trip him up on reference. You, knowing more than anyone on earth, about English literature will doubtless be able to find a better reference. Can't stop as I'm off to have a rubber with GBS, ATH and the Dowager Empress, I do hope she's not going to try and cheat again, such close and very dear friends. Toodle-pip. Lady Catherine de Burgh (the Late) (talk) 18:56, 5 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Dear Lady C. That's scintillating in your opinion, huh? Apparently you don't expect a lot since your much-lamented demise. Sad, really... I agree with the irresistible Giano you that the reference in question falls a little short of WP:RS. I'll take a look in the library in a day or two—assuming that the oldfashioned "print book" still counts as an acceptable reference. My best regards to Attila the Hun and the rest of the aristocracy of blood and intellect who flock round your table. Á propos of GBS, I assume that despite your reactionary tendencies, you have improved the intelligence of your mind by studying his Intelligent Woman's Guide to Socialism ? Bishonen | talk 21:57, 5 July 2010 (UTC).
 * I especially recommend chapter IVX, the one subtitled A Preference for "Spooning"; That Neither Party Should Be On Top Or Below. I think Gerald B Smith really achieves Socialist perfection with that technique! LessHeard vanU (talk) 12:41, 6 July 2010 (UTC)


 * @LessHeard: Why don't you put your smutty remarks directly on Lady C's page where they will be appreciated, LittleHeard? Or, even better, on that of her sister, User:Princess Venetia di Cannoli ? Those sisters, as well as anybody in the Scrotum family, would be your perfect audience. Bishonen | talk 21:23, 6 July 2010 (UTC).


 * @Giacomo: Here's a better reference: "Daniel Maclise", web article by Nancy Weston, author of Daniel Maclise: Irish Artist in Victorian London (Dublin: Four Courts Press, 2001), 323 pp, ISBN 1-85182-574-6. That may be too much information, but how else are the Lesser Beings going to know Nancy Weston is a Reliable Source? Just pick out any bits you need. Bishonen | talk 21:23, 6 July 2010 (UTC).


 * @Lady C (the late): Thank you for you confidence in me. Don't be shy about mentioning that I know more than anyone on earth and in heaven about English literature. Bishonen | talk 21:23, 6 July 2010 (UTC).
 * I suggest, my good Bishonenesse, that smuttiness is in the eye of the beholder; indeed, I have heard of such photographic representations. Anyhoo, perhaps you are not as widely read as I was lead to believe and limit yourself to books that do not largely contain pictures. As for the Princess mentioned, I think I may have once ate her and although largely consummated by the experience found it a little too rich for frequent indulgence. I am uncertain about there needing to be an audience (or is that a term meaning an introduction?) for these matters and am considering retiring from this conversation. LessHeard vanU (talk) 21:52, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Bishonenessesse to you, if you don't mind. Bishonen | talk 23:11, 6 July 2010 (UTC).
 * What an amazing person you are, to have found that reference. Indeed I too have been busy, and here is the whole Sykes family painted by Maclise. I am just awondering what that object is he is carrying? No wonder she left him, poor woman, if he strutted around the house displaying something so horrendous and long as that all day long. One can only dread and wonder what Freud would have made of that not to mention Mr Les Van-Heard and his nasty smutty mind Lady Catherine de Burgh (the Late) (talk) 22:40, 6 July 2010 (UTC)
 * "Sometimes a lance is just a lance", perhaps? Bishonen | talk 23:15, 6 July 2010 (UTC).
 * Well it must have been very dificult carrying something so long and protruding up and down that spiral staircase; that's all I can say. Most odd behaviour. Lady Catherine de Burgh (the Late) (talk) 12:46, 7 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Sometimes a man's gotta do what a man's gotta do: carry the umbrella clothes dryer down from the highest tower of his humble hut because it got too windy. Apparently the competent housewife decided to hang the eldest sun's blue football shirt in the front garden for drying, after all. Oh, the joys of a numerous family! Hans Adler 15:45, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

OpenFuture
Thanks, and my regards to your jungly friend. I hope he has not been climbing the Reichstag dressed as BishZilla. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 20:32, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Jungly? Have I got a Mowgli sock now? Bishonen | talk 20:34, 9 July 2010 (UTC).
 * I meant His Zillitude; doesn't he hang out in tropical forests? Septentrionalis PMAnderson 20:36, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Hmm...that's got to be either Little Stupid or Giano. Sorry I seem to be having a dumb day. Bishonen | talk 20:42, 9 July 2010 (UTC).
 * Hey, you don't mean Bishzilla, do you? She's a gurl, man! Bishonen | talk 21:00, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
 * And she is hereby presented with 1048576 virtual roses as a token of my esteem. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 18:00, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Tip: 1048576 cupcakes taste better. T-RexxS (talk) 18:12, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
 * One step at a time, man! Septentrionalis PMAnderson 18:22, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Hehehe. Septy, have you seen the delicious cupcake temple and template, top right on this page? Created by Scary T-Rexx from 1048576 cupcakes, for Bishzilla when she feels peckish. Mmmm... virtual roses...chomp, chomp... frankly not a lot of flavour! But well meant, no doubt. [Chomps joylessly. ]   bishzilla     ROA R R! !    21:16, 10 July 2010 (UTC).
 * Has anyone here seen Joy or Lesley, they seem to have disappeared... LessHeard vanU (talk) 23:12, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
 * [Bishzilla blushes an unexpected bright blue. ] No! Nasty hint! Zilla don't eat no little users anymore! [Surreptitiously checks pocket. ]   bishzilla     ROA R R! !    23:47, 10 July 2010 (UTC).
 * [Sheepishly dabbing mouth with napkin] Errm ... they not ones that tasted of chicken, were they? T-RexxS (talk) 00:37, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

Septentrionalis PMAnderson 13:18, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

Admin
I'm here at least twelve hours a day, and seven days a week, minimum. I just get on with stuff, which most people don't see. I'd rather have other stuff to do, but please don't criticise me for playing the admin card, because above most other editors, I have the right to do so, because I am committed to our mission. That doesn't mean that I lack humility, but I do have experience and understanding of our policies and processes. I'm open to constructive criticism. Rodhull andemu  00:45, 11 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Out of curiosity, what was the last piece of constructive criticism towards yourself on Wikipedia that you acted on? Nev1 (talk) 00:52, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
 * See my talk page, and archives. I self-flagellate on almost a daily basis, but mostly my reversions of vandalism tend to pass without comment. That tells me that I'm largely getting it right. Rodhull  andemu  01:39, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Rod, most of us here are committed to our mission, but that doesn't give us the special rights you claim. If you do something so spectacularly wrong as blocking another editor that you've just exchanged uncivil comments with, then you really should be expecting criticism. All of the good work you do gets undone, if you allow yourself to lose your cool like that. --RexxS (talk) 02:31, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

Rod, we're admins, not monarchs, and "disagreeing with one's betters" is the poorest of reasons for blocking a user. If you're here twelve hours every day, it's no wonder you get burnout, obviously. I'd take a bit of a rest if I were you. Bishonen | talk 10:36, 11 July 2010 (UTC).
 * What Bish said. Seriously – A l is o n  ❤ 22:41, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Hi Sept, thanks for the creamy rose cupcakes, nom nom... mmmmm... where was I? Oh yeah, just stick them in here with the others. Don't get pocket lint on them. Hi Allie, nice hearing from you! Bishonen | talk 00:07, 13 July 2010 (UTC).

Clearing the (very old) air
You probably don't remember me, or my old user name (American Patriot 1776), but almost 4 years ago, we had a run in at WP:AN/I concerning a User:Jasper23. I was just going through my talk page archives, and I stumbled across the incident, which involved an edit war on Jasper23's talk page regarding template warnings. At the time, I apologized to Jasper23 and made a blanket apology to all, but after rereading everything involved, I realized that I owed you a specific one. Simply put, you were right, and I was wrong. Though it was four years ago and you've probably forgotten the incident, still, let me convey the sincere apology I should have given you at the time. In my humblest form, AP1787 (talk) 22:35, 13 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Hi, AP. It's vaguely coming back to me... Jasper23 and American Patriot... yes indeed, I remember some of it.. fuzzily. Thanks for your message and welcome to Wikipedia! Bishonen | talk 00:27, 14 July 2010 (UTC).

This looks like something that is up your alley
For some reason, when I saw this article (which is in desperate need of help), I thought of you. It might be because you created full length article to a certain bathroom knick-knack and might be up to doing something like that again. --*Kat* (talk) 09:27, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Bimba
 * Or was it because I, too, am tall, fit, independent and very beautiful and sought-after? But how did you know?


 * Bimba may need more help than I can manage, I'm sorry to say. Notably, it has no sources; and I have some trouble seeing myself gather the proper Romanian (FGS) citations for it. My Romanian is a little rusty. Bishonen | talk 15:16, 17 July 2010 (UTC).

Royal National College for the Blind
Hi. I've been asked to submit the article Royal National College for the Blind for FAC by PaulLargo, who is currently away for personal reasons and therefore unable to do it himself. I notice the last review was concluded with a request to submit the article again, but to notify those who had contributed to the discussion to determine whether they had any major objections to it being put forward again. Since the last FAC I've done some minor work on expanding it and, along with another user, have added more images. I feel it's probably ready for submission again, but wanted to run it past those who reviewed it last time before completing the nomination. If there are no objections by Monday 26 July I'll assume everything is ok and submit the FAC and wait for comments. Cheers TheRetroGuy (talk) 14:53, 23 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I reviewed the article last time it was on FAC...? I'm afraid I don't remember; I suppose it wasn't exactly an in-depth review. Anyway, it looks like a fine article, go for it! Bishonen | talk 22:29, 26 July 2010 (UTC).

clarification
Sorry to post this here, but I wanted to clarify something to you by way of apology without attracting comments that didn't serve that purpose or weren't relevant to the tribunal (as I will no doubt persist in calling it).

When I suggested that you look at Talk:List of wars between democracies, I meant no criticism, implicit or otherwise, of how you were approaching the problem. My only point was that people keep demanding apologies, which strikes me as some kind of bullying desire for a public display of contrition intended to humble or humiliate. A better indication is whether the accused party is guarding his tongue and trying to make productive edits, which may be evidenced by the linked section. You had also raised the question of whether the accusers were making a good-faith effort to resolve the civility issues (apart from content disputes); that section of the talk page, which was begun before or soon after the complaint was posted, is telling in that regard.

Since I'm a content shoveler who usually toils in obscure corners, I'm not very deft in this kind of forum, and I'd have to think long and hard before participating in such a thing again. But I apologize if I sounded as if I were undermining your efforts. Cynwolfe (talk) 19:58, 28 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Oh, not at all. Have you read our article Non-apology apology, though? It has some interesting aspects, apart from those you mention. Bishonen | talk 20:10, 28 July 2010 (UTC).


 * I'm continually surprised at unexpected gems of articles. And always nice to read an article that gives me a chuckle instead of an irresistible urge to open it in edit mode. Thanks. Actually, my last sentence is constructed in the no-apology manner, isn't it? It's a conditional sentence. But how to express it otherwise? If I say "I apologize for sounding as if I were undermining your efforts," that assumes that's how you read my original comment, when I don't know how you read it. Worse would be "I apologize for undermining your efforts," since that assumes I succeeded in doing so, whatever my intention. These linguistic niceties all contribute to why I consider charges of civility dubious: an obsession with watching every syllable constricts the kind of free-flowing brainstorming debate that needs to take place on talk pages. It's the article content that counts. Cynwolfe (talk) 20:27, 28 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Haha. Good niceties! You sound like someone who could get a lot of amusement out of watching my friend Giano's page. Bishonen | talk 21:11, 28 July 2010 (UTC).
 * Just when I'd given up hope that any dandelions of humor could sprout in the sidewalk cracks of … nevermind. Thanks again. Cynwolfe (talk) 04:15, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

This RfC is still uncertified
What exactly does this mean as i am new to RFC\U and am lost mark nutley (talk) 20:16, 28 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Hi, Mark. I really don't blame you for getting confused by the RfC culture; it takes some practice. But I think you'll find this page useful. See the minimum requirements there? The problem is this important sentence: "The evidence, preferably in the form of diffs, should not simply show the dispute itself, but should show attempts to find a resolution or compromise." It was put in for a reason; the idea is to put a stop to RfCs that are simply quarrels. Once two users have presented evidence that they have tried to "find a resolution or compromise", and have signed the RfC, it is certified. Unfortunately, as OpenFuture's RfC stands at the moment, it doesn't contain any suggestions for resolution or compromise, so it counts as uncertified, and will — or at least should — be deleted after 48 hours.


 * I'm thinking of leaving it up for a bit longer, though. Say, 72 hours instead of 48, or something like that. I feel sorry for the people who went through the boring, bureaucratic process of setting it up, and even more for those who have taken the trouble to comment. Also, it looks like PMA hasn't edited for many hours. He may well not know that OpenFuture has posted an appeal for more time. (I don't understand why OF doesn't e-mail him, but perhaps he has.) What do you think, would 24 extra hours help? Bishonen | talk 20:58, 28 July 2010 (UTC).
 * P.S. Oh, I see PMA is editing again. I wish he'd get in touch with one of you, but after those accusations of me being "emotionally involved", I for my part have no intention of interfering further. Bishonen | talk 21:03, 28 July 2010 (UTC).
 * Extra time never hurts :) When you say suggestions for resolutions does my not asking politely for him to redact his comments not count? And i tried Wikiquette alerts Wikiquette alerts, all PMA did was what he has done at the ANI and RFCU copied and pasted the content dispute but never says why he made the attacks nor that he will redact them. I do not honestly see how i can do anymore than i have done. Who said you were "emotionally involved"? mark nutley (talk) 21:07, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
 * OpenFuture made that gracious remark.[//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_comment/Pmanderson&diff=375951632&oldid=375950333] Anyway, just briefly: no, your asking him over and over again for what you want is totally one-sided, thus not a suggestion for resolution or compromise. You're supposed to write to him in a way that leaves an opening, however slim, for some common ground. See where he says on WQA that "Mark Nutley is attempting to impose a fringe view on a subject about which he knows little" ? Could you work with that, somehow? Try to prove that it's not so fringe, and/or that you do know about it? And make some concessions, too? I agree that he has made some very rude remarks to you, but do you, in turn, see Active Banana's suggestion that it can be frustrating to discuss with you? I can't agree that PMA "never says why he made the attacks"; I see him saying why, over and over again, on WQA, and also saying what would make him stop: "My "misrepresentation" has consisted of [so] quoting him." "His remedy is simple. If he strikes the nonsense he puts forth, I will cease to quote it." I can't find where he implies you need remedial education, BTW; was that [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_comment/Pmanderson&diff=375951632&oldid=375950333 the right diff] on WQA? Anyway; isn't there anything there that you could work with?  At present it doesn't look like you're trying for any compromise; it looks like you're simply following in OpenFuture's footsteps.  It seems to me that it would be much better, and give you much more to work with in the area of compromise, to focus on content, and ignore any rudeness. What does it matter, after all? Personal attacks reflect much more badly on the person making them, than on their target. What exactly do you expect that RfC to do for you? Bishonen | talk 23:10, 28 July 2010 (UTC).

Actually i just want his accusations of sockpuppetry struck, cos if you sling enough mud some sticks. I would also hope he was reminded of wp:civil which was all i asked for in the ANI that he be told to remain civil. And perhaps the rfc will be a wake up call for him, and stop him being so rude. And i don`t see why i would compromise on asking a person to strike accusations of being a liar and a vandal. How the heck do you compromise on that? I did`nt think it to much to ask as i had assume he wrote it when exasperated, but they still remain mark nutley (talk) 23:21, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

Geogre
Twelve months. *sigh* --RexxS (talk) 23:46, 28 July 2010 (UTC)


 * I know. :-( I'll show him your post. Bishonen | talk 23:49, 28 July 2010 (UTC).
 * Is it 12 months?  Giacomo   20:23, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Shit! Yes, so it is. The arbcom has a lot to anser for – stupid, ignorant pillocks! I hope there are some guilty feelings there.  Giacomo   20:25, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

Bureacratonium
I blame the fact that I'm a local government officer, and at one time I was our local administration's complaints officer (I'm convinced I sinned in at least 3 former lives to land that job!). --Elen of the Roads (talk) 20:00, 29 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Haha. :-) You have my deepest sympathies. Bishonen | talk 20:04, 29 July 2010 (UTC).
 * Is there a cruise ship that calls, or at least a bus service to there? LessHeard vanU (talk) 20:07, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
 * [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_comment/Pmanderson&diff=376134541&oldid=376103899] There's a regular (allegedly) rail service from Leeds :) --Elen of the Roads (talk) 20:18, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
 * As a local government officer (retired) at a place where we have calls from cruise ships as well as a railway and a bus service, may I express my deepest sympathies, subject of course to review and reconsideration should the occasion arise. . . dave souza, talk 19:52, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
 * And provided your request has been made on form B12A and signed by your Assistant Director.... --Elen of the Roads (talk) 22:51, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

but....
[//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard&diff=prev&oldid=377205765] I has 'puter problms. And real lifeses stuffies. :-( KillerChihuahua ?!?Advice 17:22, 5 August 2010 (UTC)


 * But you izz killer doggie! Why are you talking like a (gag) kitten? Bishonen | talk 18:57, 5 August 2010 (UTC).


 * Bish, please, no personal attacks. Poor liddle diddums has snuffles, feline comparisons are uncalled for cruel and unusual derision. Or at least more unusual than we would hope in polite society. . . dave souza, talk 19:57, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Bishzilla pets her own cute kitten and gently stuffs it into pocket to make friends with liddle diddums. Bishonen | talk 23:19, 5 August 2010 (UTC).
 * Kitty! Mine are bit smaller, biggest iz only 14 kilos.  Funny to have house where the Maine Coon Cat is only mid-sized.  Georgewilliamherbert (talk) 01:37, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
 * [Bishzilla terminally confused. ] But Zilla stripey kitten tiny small! Feather weight! Cute little mammal!   bishzilla     ROA R R! !    04:04, 7 August 2010 (UTC).

what can be done?
OpenFuture reverted your subtitle and withheld his signature to frame his summary as if it's neutral on this accursed page. This is absolutely intolerable. Surely something can be done about this administratively. (I changed it back to "OpenFuture's summary".) Does he not get that you can't be the prosecutor and decide the case as judge? That's surely indicative. Cynwolfe (talk) 15:02, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
 * He does it all the time. See here Reliable sources/Noticeboard. He formulated the request so badly that two of the four respondents thought he was talking about two separate sources, and then claimed that the outcome was a clear consensus that the source did not support the contention, despite NOBODY saying that this ONE source did so. --Elen of the Roads (talk) 15:23, 8 August 2010 (UTC)


 * I think he's got it now, since somebody was able to point him to this. I've snitched some of your bureaucratonium, Elen, and put on the accursed RfC talkpage. Don't worry, RfCs are by definition messy and nasty and, well, kind of lightweight. Bishonen | talk 17:44, 8 August 2010 (UTC).
 * Do please help yourself. I've got plenty :).  And yeah, at the end of the day, no-one's getting twenty-five to life as a result of this discussion – or even 100 hours community service.  Although that would be a cool alternative to blocking.  "Accept a 48hr block or spend the next three days fixing categories" --Elen of the Roads (talk) 18:35, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

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Sorry
Sorry about [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=block&page=User%3ABishonen that]. I guess that's what happens when I try to function normally with a lack of sleep. Mr.Z-man 02:57, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh noes, blocked again. I suppose you were trying to [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=block&page=User%3ABishzilla block Bishzilla]? Careful with that, little user. Bishonen | talk 11:09, 7 September 2010 (UTC).

Cheer up!
Here's a joke to cheer you up:

I, the Penis, hereby request a raise in salary for the following reasons: Sincerely,
 * The Day the Penis asked for a Raise
 * 1) I do physical labor.
 * 2) I work at great depths.
 * 3) I plunge headfirst into everything I do.
 * 4) I do not get weekends or public holidays off.
 * 5) I work in a damp environment.
 * 6) I work in a dark workplace that has poor ventilation.
 * 7) I work in high temperatures.
 * 8) My work exposes me to contagious diseases.

P. Niss

Dear P Niss:
 * The Response

After assessing your request, and considering the arguments you have raised, the administration rejects your request for the following reasons: Sincerely,
 * 1) You do not work 8 hours straight.
 * 2) You fall asleep after brief work periods.
 * 3) You do not always follow the orders of the management team – you do not stay in your designated area and are often seen visiting other locations.
 * 4) You do not take initiative – you need to be pressured and stimulated in order to start working.
 * 5) You leave the workplace rather messy at the end of your shift.
 * 6) You don't always observe necessary safety regulations, such as wearing the correct protective clothing.
 * 7) You will retire well before you are 65.
 * 8) You are unable to work double shifts.
 * 9) You sometimes leave your designated work area before you have completed the assigned task.
 * 10) And if that were not all, you have been seen constantly entering and exiting the workplace carrying two suspicious-looking bags.

V. Gina Ohconfucius ¡digame! 03:48, 7 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Best thing I've seen on Wiki all day (but that's not sayin' much :) Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 04:02, 7 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Thank you, Oh. Delightful. Bishonen | talk 18:41, 7 September 2010 (UTC).

Cake
Since it seems you're in a bit of a dreary mood, I thought some cake would be in order. Enjoy! Heimstern Läufer (talk) 05:18, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

P.S.: Sorry about the slice taken out. It just looked too good!

Roses
I always find there's nothing like roses to cheer one up. A quick spray of Rive Gauche (reference rose) is good also, but they haven't invented smellopedia yet.--Elen of the Roads (talk) 14:05, 7 September 2010 (UTC)




 * 'Zilla! Don't eat my rose! Don't... sigh. You know you don't even like them! [Bishzilla chews glumly. ] Told you! You greedy monster! Thank you, Elen... it probably would have smelled delightful, if I'd had a chance to smell it. [Sigh. Mood worse than ever. In revenge, little 'shonen eats entire cake. Cheers up. ] Bishonen | talk 18:34, 7 September 2010 (UTC).


 * Hmmm – "little 'shonen eats entire cake" – I am trying to imagine how that worked with part of it being inside Heimstern Läufer. Bishonen, I hate to break the news to you, but you may be getting more and more similar to your pets. Hans Adler 20:58, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Is truth. Little 'shonen incorporate 'Zilla personality long time now! Not best parts of personality, either, see [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Giano_II&diff=prev&oldid=125696213] Special:PermanentLink/256572570.   bishzilla     ROA R R! !    22:55, 7 September 2010 (UTC).
 * Er, has anyone around here seen Lee? He was a little glum, and on the look out for cake... LessHeard vanU (talk)
 * Is fine little Little Heard. Glum Lee all cheered up by Ohconfucius' strange story. Giving half barnstar paid off!   bishzilla     ROA R R! !    22:55, 7 September 2010 (UTC).

Ahoy there! Select Wikipedia meet-up at sea
—Preceding unsigned comment added by Ka of Catherine de Burgh (talk • contribs) 23:13, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

My very dearest Mrs. Bishonen,

I thought I would just drop by with an invitation to join me on my yachting cruise for what remains of this very sad summer – we all need a holiday. The news is just so depressing from every direction and London is so full of Americans I can bear it no longer. Apparently, 50 of them are going to burn Korans – can you believe that? Totally ridiculous, all whipped up by the gutter press. I mean, there can't be 50 of them left in America; I was tripping over millions of them left, right and centre in Fortnum's this morning (why do they all have to have those silly caps on their heads and those little nylon strap-on bags perched on their generous buttocks? - so curious) Anyway, the Muslims are very cross indeed and I don't blame them; delightful people, I was married to one once – lovely man – after we divorced, he said having married me he would never ever want to take another wife ever again, wasn't that sweet? They can have up to 5 you know, just like the Mormons or Polignacs or whatever they are called – anyhow, I am digressing. My yacht, Scrotum V, will be sailing from Marina di Ragusa to Malta and then on to Salonica and we would so love to have you with us – we are going to look at ruins and Crippen (that dear hound) would love to play with little Tripipod or whatever it is you call it. Tex is coming, although I have had to make it very clear to him: Texan or not, we shall have no barbecuing of whole steers and whatnot on my beautifully polished decks. Talking of Texans (or people of that vicinity) Sandy Georgia is joining us, such a beautiful girl, she's going to give me facials and pass on her beauty tips – not that I need them. I'm rather hoping Mr. Wetman may join us too (he's from New York, so is quite charming) – I might ask poor little Mrs. Risker, one feels so sorry for her; like you, from one of those awful ice-bound frosty Indesit type countries – dreadful complexion and facial features from squinting constantly at the sun reflecting off the snow. Have you ever thought about becoming a Muslim? - you'll find the attire very flattering at your time of life. Naturally, darlingest Giacomo will be joining us as the tour guide – he's so knowledgable and clever. Stanislas, my Eastern European plumber and companion will be aboard too; he will be running his mailing list from the yacht's telgraph. - he's very literate. Mr L heard Van U will also be aboard, although he will have to stop that twidling his forelock and atwinkling his eye at me and learn to control his urges. Mr. Wales, NewYorkBrad and an anonymous member of the Arbcom (claiming naval experience as his raison d'etre) are pestering to be allowed on board; I said to them: "You can all have a dinghy towed behind, that way we will haul you in when we want you and cast you awf when we don't" So you see, it's all going to be tremendously jolly and quite a sight as we cruise down the Med; so I won't be Wikipediaring much over the next week or so. Do RSVP ASAP

With much love Lady Catherine de Burgh (the Late) (talk) 22:58, 8 September 2010 (UTC) PS: I would water that dead-looking plant if I were you! Lady Catherine de Burgh (the Late) (talk) 22:58, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Eyes! I have two, you know, Your Late Ladyship? LessHeard vanU (talk) 12:48, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

My late Lady, will there be stables aboard the Scrotum? If I can't barbecue a steer for the rest of the summer, I must bring a few goats and pigs along. I can't be bothered to eat seafood more than once a month, ya know. Can you imagine the look on the lovely Sandy Georgia's face when she finds out we're having crabs on the Scrotum? Hopefully Mr. Wetman will bring along some cream for that. Tex (talk) 13:58, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, you could always bring some of that cake up there a bit. ^ Heimstern Läufer (talk) 14:03, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Nah. Little 'shonen ate it all.  I can get more roses – although Bishzilla does insist on eating the poor things. Animated flower.GIFRosa 'Climbing Souvenir de la Malmaison'.JPGNCI Visuals Food Hot Dog.jpg of the Roads (talk) 14:11, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Fine then, be that way. More cake it shall be. Happy now? GermanChocolateCake.jpg Heimstern Läufer (talk) 14:15, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

Dear Lady Catherine, thank you so much for your invitation, which I accept with the greatest pleasure. There is nothing quite like a party on the Scrotum. No, not even when some... er... of the less... hrrmf... oh, never mind, forgot what I was going to say. But isn't little Less Heard, for example, getting excessively annoying?[//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Bishonen&diff=372813329&oldid=372799421] [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Bishonen&diff=383526948&oldid=383523401] You have such patience for these ...rustic characters... dear Lady C, but... perhaps the dinghy idea might be expanded?

Is it all right if I bring Bishzilla? While *I* could certainly do with a holiday from her, you know how fond the dear Tex is of the monster. To the point of trying to run her for ArbCom a couple of years agoSpecial:PermanentLink/250862313... a notion I can only call ludicrous, but it's touching, too.

Water the flower? Oh, I don't think so. It's in its standard eleven-and-a-half-month permafrost hibernation state, as it should be on these latitudes. It would go unbecomingly busy if I watered it.

P.S. Let me be the first to congratulate your ladyship on your beautiful new architectural article Scrotum Towers—destined, I hope, for FAC and the Main Page, where its stylishness and panache may be more widely enjoyed. Yours affectionately, Bishonen | talk 20:18, 9 September 2010 (UTC). [Absent-mindedly eats entire new cake. ]
 * I shall suppose you meant to say bucolic... LessHeard vanU (talk) 20:46, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm so sorry to have hurt your feelings, dear Sir. [Generously ] Do please take your choice between "backwoods" and "down-home". "Earthy" is another possibility, in view of the raucous noise poor Lady C complains of w r t you and Iridescent. Have you ever been a gamekeeper? Bishonen | talk 08:00, 10 September 2010 (UTC).
 * Am I never to live down the unfortunate consequences of my proclaiming my intention to "give the old boiler room a good servicing", while enrobed with rubber Sou'Wester and galoshes on a previous cruise? I contend that keeping ones hand in with the tools available it the very mark of the artisan, and I continue to take pride in my work! I shall, also, be a gentleman and ignore possible references to hares, or lack of... LessHeard vanU (talk) 12:52, 10 September 2010 (UTC) "Backwoodsman"? I shall find out who is casting these aspersions! I fear your gentle lady's experience and simple good faith in other people has exposed you to some scoundrels whose, ah, commentary upon the character and practices of third parties may be spiced with – forgive me the cruel words used in such rare company – malice! LessHeard vanU (talk) 12:59, 10 September 2010 (UTC)
 * No, never. Since you ask. [Shrug. ] Bishonen | talk 21:35, 10 September 2010 (UTC).

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Er, Lady C, I believe that should be Mrs Iridescent? Sending her to Mr LHVU's cabin might be... ahem... not one's first choice. Anyway, it was very understanding of you to provide a water bed for Bishzilla, she loves them. Bishonen 23:30, 9 September 2010 (UTC).]]
 * One intended to ask earlier, but completely forgot; is the unfortunate "Lady C. B." mentioned here any relation to Her Ladyship? – iride scent  20:51, 9 September 2010 (UTC)


 * I do expect to join you all. I shall send on my luggage to the American Express Co., Ragusa. What is it they're calling it now?--Wetman (talk) 00:10, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

Oh that is good news Mr. Wetman. I've allocated you the stateroom adjoining mine, we won't be disturbed from the raucous noise emitting from Mr LHVU and Mrs Iridescent's cabin on the lower deck. This is proving no holiday for me; having now to tow the entire clamouring Arbcom, all waving and gesticulating about circling sharks, in the dinghy behind is slowing progress, then there are Ms Slim Virgin and Sir Kittybrewster insisting on doing their Kate Winslet and Leonardo impersonationsin the prow – that woman will catch her death of cold – I keep saying put on my old ocelot, but will she? - no! and now we gave to contend with that gloomy William M. Connolley standing on the bridge with his binoculars forecasting icebergs in the Med, it's all becoming too stressful – I shall have to have a lie down in a darkened room. Lady Catherine de Burgh (the Late) (talk) 07:34, 10 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Over tannoy* Now hear this, now hear this.


 * My invitation seems to have got lost in the post, Catherine dearest, so overnight my splendid Somali crew and I have rectified the situation. Captain Tugknuckle has been removed from his post, and like all discharged seamen, is of no further use to me: Abdul, upstanding as ever, is steering a fine course. The ladies will remain confined to the lower state ballroom until further notice.  Meanwhile I intend to make the close acquaintance of all the wonderful young gentlemen on board this tug "yacht". (That reminds me, I must put you in touch with darling Roman, I'm sure he can advise on something more suitable.)


 * Stand down.


 * Princess Venetia di Cannoli (talk) 07:58, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Venetia dear, you have clearly been at the sherry again. You are very welcome to join my little yachting party, but do you have suitable clothes in your carrier bag? I do insist that all are suitably attired (even Crippen) It's so important that standards are maintained – it established our superiority at sea over the other races. As I said, you are most welcome, but I think it would be so much better if you had a few days holiday at The Priory instead. Lady Catherine de Burgh (the Late) (talk) 11:50, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

The Scrotum among the icebergs
Dearest Lady C, imagine my surprise and delight when I discovered you had had the Scrotum diverted all the way from the Med to Stockholm to pick me up! That's my idea of a delicate attention. (Love the handsome new rigging, too.) While it's a little alarming to observe the entire Swedish Wikipedia community pushing and jostling to get on board, I know that your hostess skills thrive on challenges, the more intractable the better. Perhaps a couple of no-nonsense barges for supernumerary guests would be more appropriate than a dinghy? Or, if I might advise, have that gangway pulled in fast. Bishzilla could perhaps make herself useful, too. Affectionately, Bishonen | talk 00:01, 16 September 2010 (UTC).

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 * My dear, it was a pleasure to rescue you from your delightful little ice bound city – in fact I was hoping to see the Little Mermaid (I was its muse), sadly, though I couldn't find it – vandalised I expect. It was amusing to see all your compatriots, eyes wide open with amazement and wonder at the sight of the Scrotum as we sailed in, such a pity we had to throw so many overboard. So nice of the dear King to turn out and wave his handkercheif, it would have been nice to take him onboard too, but in my experience Royals like to be the centre of attention, and I can't abide people like that, and between ourselves, that family is not very old you know, not like my own beloved family. With fondest love 07:21, 16 September 2010 (UTC)





It's the cavalry!
A school of dauntless young fishapods, under the tutelage of Bishapod, arrives to assist Lady C in her heroic exertions, and the cry goes up: "All safe now! Bless you, brave little Tiktaaliks! Topple the tyranny!" Bishonen | talk 00:31, 25 September 2010 (UTC).


 * [Sourly. ] Also cry go up "OMG it's Little Stupid and his stupid band coming to sing stupid song, embarrass Bishzilla! Go stop insanity already! Wikipedia talk:Pending changes/Straw poll on interim usage   bishzilla     ROA R R! !    00:34, 25 September 2010 (UTC).

RE: Cryptozoolgy articles
As of right now, I haven't officially taken the case, but I would like to do something to resolve the issue (even if it is not mediation). Do you have any suggestions? Ronk01  talk  17:53, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, I made my suggestion in my post on Wikipedia talk:Mediation Cabal/Cases/2010-09-12/Bigfoot: To tell Gniniv and Timperilico that they'll be pagebanned if they don't cut it out with the "civil POV-pushing". I can't ban them, as I thoughtlessly edited Bigfoot yesterday (just once, but no doubt it makes me "involved"), and you can't because you're not an admin; but this place is crawling with admins, it can't be hard to find an uninvolved one. This person shouldn't be cherry-picked, of course, but you (rather than I, I think) could put a brief appeal on WP:ANI for an admin to take a look at Bigfoot's History (the edit summaries are extremely telling on both sides); its talkpage; and the mediation page, and see if the spirit moves them to do something. I do think the problem has gone beyond what can suitably be mediated; people are too entrenched. Regards, Bishonen | talk 18:12, 12 September 2010 (UTC).
 * Really, Bishonen, what is it with you and Bigfoot? Trying to get the 'Zilla a date?  Tex (talk) 17:28, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Bigfoot good friend! Help out 'Zilla RFA — remember, little manager? See Bigfoot co-nom right at top? [Zilla is pleasantly lost in nostalgic recall of those heroic days. ] Tex feel free comment at Special:PermanentLink/384754326, but not embarrass 'Zilla on ANI! 'Zilla harem and hot dates not suitable topics for gossip! [Gently breathe on little manager for emphasis. Tex go radioactive. ]    bishzilla     ROA R R! !    18:00, 13 September 2010 (UTC).
 * Oh, no, Little Tex not get involved in THAT! He believer!  Even tried get [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Rickmat&redirect=no obvious hoax] in 'pedia.  See evidence in [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Rickmat&action=history history]!  Besides, Little Tex best friend is ape-like.  Gooch (talk) 18:57, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
 * [Fondly ] Well, Tex believe in Bishzilla, Tex can prob'ly believe in anything! Very credulous little user! ['Zilla pauses. Hopes nobody takes her sentence apart. Feels a little self-conscious. ]    bishzilla     ROA R R! !    21:44, 13 September 2010 (UTC).

I'm so infrequently around that the ANI post on this died off days before I saw the post on my talk page. Ah well. I appreciate that you added comments in the appropriate places. DreamGuy (talk) 17:42, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

Boxing Bosse
You are the main author of Harriet Bosse and brought it to featured article without an "infobox". Somebody recently boxed the poor girl in the face. Feeling that she needed to be defended against this grave insult, I have valiantly unboxed her. If you find the box useful, you are welcome to put it back in again.

(I notice that no wikipedian has yet tried to contain Anna-Greta Leijon in a box, despite the fact that such an action would actually have had a pre-wikipedian precedent...) --Hegvald (talk) 11:28, 17 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Thank you, Hegvald. Oh, no, I don't find it useful to stick poor Harriet in a box. You know... when I saw your header on my page, I thought you had most likely come to discuss Bosse Högberg. :-D I didn't realise that that Boxing Bosse doesn't have an article on en.wiki (only on sv and de). Perhaps we should ask Giano, a great creator of boxing articles, to write one?


 * I didn't know the Leijon thing was called "Operation Leo". That's pretty sick!


 * Bishonen | talk 13:41, 17 September 2010 (UTC).


 * I wasn't thinking about Högberg; a bit before my time, although I have heard of him. Mostly world-famous in Sweden, right? And that was 40 years ago. Not sure he is interesting enough to inspire anyone to write a good article. But I may be wrong. (The Swedish article says that he went to prison, but doesn't explain why. Did he commit some interesting crime, or did he just fill in the wrong tax form?). --Hegvald (talk) 06:32, 18 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Världsberömd i stora delar av Östergötland, just så. Tax and insurance fraud, prosaically. There must have been a lot of it, you know how much it takes to actually stick people in jail in Sweden. There's certainly plenty of material. Hmmm, "a slugger" [/me reads obituaries]. That should suit Giano. Except I think he's mainly interested in 17th-18th c bare-knuckle boxing. Bishonen | talk 13:44, 18 September 2010 (UTC).

RE: Congratulating yourself
read the ITN/C (or whatever the page is for the recogintion)Lihaas (talk) 21:23, 22 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Right. It says "This template is for giving credit to editors who have created, improved or nominated articles for In the news". That doesn't mean "This template is for giving yourself credit when you have created, improved or nominated articles for In the news". I've probably seen that template—and especially the DYK template—literally hundreds of times on talkpages during the years I've been here, and I have never until today seen anybody put it on their own page. You have misunderstood the purpose of the template; it's for giving credit to others. But I'm sorry I teased you about what I now understand was an honest mistake. Bishonen | talk 21:39, 22 September 2010 (UTC).

Horrible and Ironic Ways to Die
Hey Bish,

Did you see that the inventor late owner of the Segway company died over the weekend? He drove one of those little buggers off of a cliff! I know it's terrible and all, but I just have to giggle a little bit. Is that wrong of me? Hope you're doing well. Tex (talk) 14:01, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Sadly, dear Edward Gorey is no longer around to provide an apposite illustration. Bit of a faux [news] pas, in that the chap is the late owner rather than inventor of those odd machines. As the Torygraph tells us in more detail, he was a miner from Leeds who invented a flood and bullet barrier much used in those far flung outposts of empire beyond the North West Frontier. The irony enters the soul. . . dave souza, talk 14:36, 27 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Ah, apparently I did not read closely enough, I have struck my faux pas above. I'm still giggling, though.  Tex (talk) 15:10, 27 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Posting Fox News on my page is indeed horrible! Good job Bishzilla likes you, or it might turn into a horrible way to die!... Grumble... grumble... atomic deathray... [general relief when /me runs down and shuts up, not a minute too soon. ] Do you like my Word of the Day, guys? Bishonen | talk 21:40, 27 September 2010 (UTC).


 * As a gentle lady you will be much better disposed to the Torygraph, one trusts. The word of the day is splendid, though in one's social milieu one tends to think more of a Thought for the Day. Which reminds me of the splendid sermon from Beyond the Fringe, "Life; is like a tin of sardines. One is always losing the key. But even when one has found the key, and opened the tin, there is always a little bit left in the corner. Do you have a little bit in the corner of your lives? I know I have, in mine." . . . dave souza, talk 22:09, 27 September 2010 (UTC) One stands rather corrected by Wikiquote, but then my brother Esau.... . dave souza, talk 22:15, 27 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Shouldn't that be Beyond the Fridge? Why is it red? Bishonen | talk 00:15, 28 September 2010 (UTC).


 * The Word of the Day has a certain charm, but I can't help thinking Little Stupid would phrase it as "If life hands you lemons, you have to make lemon cupcackes!" --RexxS (talk) 22:29, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Bah. Too much uplift, my socks don't do uplift! [/me checks the linked images, is impressed in spite of self. ] WOW!! Talk about embarras de richesse ! Lemon cupcakes lemon cupcakes lemon cupcakes lemon cupcakes lemon cupcakes lemon cupcakes lemon cupcakes lemon cupcakes lemon cupcakes lemon cupcakes lemon cupcakes lemon cupcakes lemon cupcakes ! Gimme! Cupcake monster 22:46, 27 September 2010 (UTC).
 * Forgetting Sarah Marshall was a horrible, unfocused movie, but that line made me laugh. MastCell Talk 00:22, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
 * It's from a movie? I only remembered reading it on the internets... somewhere... but where? Yeah, it's pretty funny, isn't it? :-) What I need, though, is a motherlode of good cynicisms. Now, I saw a site with T-shirts and calendars taking various uplifting and optimistic sayings in vain... and then I also saw the same site mentioned in Barbara Ehrenreich's Smile Or Die... but now I can't find the site and I can't find the book. (Who did I lend it to?) Well, never mind, the site was funny, but it was probably based on having the illustrations as well. Anybody know some other good place? Valuable prizes will be awarded for the most useful suggestions! (No, Giacomo, not your Christmas letters, they're too long!) Please note, I'm not enamoured of antiques like Ambrose Bierce or Winston Churchill. Bishonen | talk 01:23, 28 September 2010 (UTC).
 * My own favorite is despair.com. They're not all brilliant, but enough of them are to make it worth the visit.  ("Meetings.  None of us is as dumb as all of us."  Don't know where you work, but where I am in corporate America this is just too-goddamn-true.)  Ah, you like Barbara Ehrenreich!  My favorite so far was Nickel and Dimed, which I also have lent and cannot find.  Must get Smile or Die.  That sickening "smile it will be OK if you think so hard enough" mentality makes me want to smash things.  Can you send me Bishzilla to California for a day?  I promise to feed her well. Antandrus  (talk) 01:40, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
 * [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AMastCell&action=historysubmit&diff=386681834&oldid=386548509]. I second despair.com. My favorite is the photo of a ring of skydivers holding hands, with the caption: "Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups." MastCell Talk 02:47, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
 * ←Ah, despair.com, that was indeed the name! I originally got it from Geogre, needless to say. Ehrenreich gives some background on the guy behind the site. But for putting a "good word" at the top of my page, despair.com is too dependant on (presumably copyrighted) images. :-( Smile Or Die is a good read, but it can't hold a candle to Nickel and Dimed, which enlightened me a lot (and even enlightened my apolitical teenager! Great stuff!). Tex, have you fainted yet? Antandrus, Bishzilla can be rented for $150–$400 per diem, depending on services called for, and does not require feeding; she'll forage. Bishonen | talk 07:56, 28 September 2010 (UTC).
 * I should hire... No, no. That would be unprofessional.  No.  Even if that's an extremely affordable rate.  Much less than what we're paying the consultants now.
 * No. Thought never crossed my mind.  Nope.  Un-professional.  Georgewilliamherbert (talk) 08:19, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Uh-huh. I won't shit you, though, GWH: the nature of the foraging has been known to take people by surprise. That's why it's cheap. Bishonen | talk 12:01, 28 September 2010 (UTC).
 * Well...that conversation certainly took the long way 'round the mountain, didn't it? I used to have a calendar with the fake motivational sayings on it.  Ah, here it is!  "The Demotivators Calendar".  It is actually from the Despair.com site!  What a small world!  And it has the skydivers photo that MastCell mentioned and the Meetings photo that Antadrus spoke of.  I like the one that says "Consistency – It's only a virtue if you're not a screwup".  I also have a little desk tent with "30 Hilarious Desktop Signs" – I like "Always give 100% at work – 12% on Monday, 23% on Tuesday, 40% on Wednesday, 20% on Thursday and 5% on Friday" and "I pretend to work, they pretend to pay me". (still giggling about Segway guy flying off a cliff) Tex (talk) 15:04, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Talkback

 * Oh yeah, you can find my snowman at snowman too. Endofskull (talk) 00:34, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
 * [Impressed ] Oh, and at that article he's made of snow? Fantastic! :-) Bishonen | talk 05:12, 29 September 2010 (UTC).

Ormulum
I don't know for sure if you were involved with Geogre's Ormulum article, but as you're an expert on English Literature, I suspect you may have been. I hope you won't find it inappropriate then for me to notify you that it's up for FAR. I'm sure His Excellency would be apoplectic about it, but I've attempted to maintain as much decorum as possible. Best wishes as always --RexxS (talk) 17:10, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Rex. I saw, actually—I watch Geogre's page. No, as it happened, I had no involvement at all with the Ormulum. It was something Geogre wanted to do all on his own. Bishonen | talk 21:15, 29 September 2010 (UTC).

Podstar redux
Your slightest wish ...

Do you want the award remaking with the animation? --T-RexxS (talk) 01:20, 2 October 2010 (UTC)


 * OMG look at pod swimming! :-D Podstar extraordinaire! Er... remaking? As in, replacing the original podstar with the flipper-waggling one? Nonononono. Let there be two different awards, please. Let the little LessHeard still be pleased with the one he has, and only give him a Swimstar as well when he has performed some remarkable feat that deserves it. [/me blows her nose and is fit for fight again. ] OK, now make the star rotate behind the swimmer! (jk, as that would be kitschy). Bishonen | talk 03:56, 2 October 2010 (UTC).


 * Oops I made it before I noticed your "Swimstar" reference – I can always make that (or create a redirect). Anyway, there's now a "Distinguished Podstar" for your use:
 * It looks like this:
 * It looks like this:


 * Have fun! --T-RexxS (talk) 04:18, 2 October 2010 (UTC)}}

An old friend
I know that you have quite understandable rather washed your hands of poor old JV, but here there is more at stake. Great long lists and galleries seem to be popping up up all over the place on architectural pages – on short stubby pages they are just about OK, but on long pages where the subject has many facets to his life and works, they alter the pages perspective and integrity. You may like to commment.  Giacomo  11:19, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Good idea to lop off the list and gallery and turn them into a separate page. But do you mind if I move List of works by John Vanbrugh to List of architectural works by John Vanbrugh? Because Vanbrugh's plays are also "works", and you don't list them. (Nor should you, IMO; it would make a weird, disparate list.) Or you move it, if you have a better idea for a title. bish  bosh 23:54, 4 October 2010 (UTC). (Like the new sig? I'm only planning to use it for special occasions and when addressing titled people.)
 * Yes, I do mind! I think it would be very nice and informative if you added to the list all the plays and "things" that he wrote, with pictures too. If a busy person like me can find the time to form a list and gallery like that, I'm quite sure you can also, One just has to apply oneself a litle and go that extra kilometre for Wikipedia. Onward Bishonen – Onward. Lists are the future, I just hope someone gives it an infobox soon.  Giacomo   20:48, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Nice and informative? *I* think it would be absurd. Especially since there is the tricky intermediate category of Vanbrugh's translations... and the afterpieces other people made from bits of his plays, how about those? Hmm, let's see... there are also Vanbrugh's letters ("things"?), would they be works? You think I'm here to apply myself? Get a grip, Giacomo. I'm only here to design clever sigs. (Unlike you, who obviously stole yours from Sandstein.) bish  bosh 23:54, 4 October 2010 (UTC).


 * Bishonen, have you no imagination? I can see that list turn into a beautiful table: One column for his own works and one for attributed works/translations. Then we will have a row for his castles/plays, one for his palaces/novels, one for his houses/letters, and one for odd things that don't fit anywhere else. It's going to be beautiful, especially after we have moved all the photos into the table cells. Hans Adler 21:26, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Yus... yus... Will you help, Hans? Please create separate infoboxes for each row. Then we will be able to nominate it for WP:Featured lists! bish  bosh 21:34, 7 October 2010 (UTC).
 * Look forward to seeing you there! The Rambling Man (talk) 21:36, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
 * ... and then Jack & I can come along and make the table sortable! --Ralph (talk) 21:38, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
 * And then you can have another incomprehensible ANI quarrel about it? Great. I'll send Little Stupid. bish  bosh 21:44, 7 October 2010 (UTC).
 * Of course I am game. I have been planning to do something like this ever since I happened upon a user talk page message regarding List of Los Angeles Police Department officers killed in the line of duty! Hans Adler 21:48, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Castles in the air, Herr Adler, I've already done one, my beautiful List of works with the subtitle "Virtue Rewarded". :-) Very odd the way it keeps being AfD'd rather than nominated for featured. bish  bosh, 21:57, 7 October 2010 (UTC).
 * That's a good point. Maybe the Vanbrugh list isn't a good basis, after all. Maybe it's better to start with an unquestionably encyclopedic topic. There is plenty of inspiration at WP:FL, such as List of celebrities involved with WrestleMania. Hans Adler 22:14, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

Haha... good one. Apropos, does anybody know how to find an AfD discussion that for some reason never got linked on the talkpage? I know the Virtue Rewarded list has been AfD'd more times than it says on the talk. It seems to have nine lives. At the last AfD, fairly recently, I voted "delete" and stated that I had written the list as a joke. Did even that get it deleted from mainspace? Nope. bish bosh, 22:28, 7 October 2010 (UTC).
 * I found the second nomination by entering the title of the first into the search form. It seems there was no third. I have updated the template on the talk page. (About time.) Hans Adler 22:38, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Having just seen Outline of Belgium flare up in my watchlist – maybe Featured Outlines would be an even better target. Hans Adler 22:50, 7 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Hans, that's a very nice discussion that you rescued from oblivion. Among other beauties, it has Newyorkbrad voting "Keep" twice. Outlines..? I didn't even know we had that type of articles. But I've sometimes been tempted to create a Featured Footnote board. About the List of celebrities involved with WrestleMania, I see that there's no parodying these things. The involvement seems to consist to a great extent of singing a rendition of America the Beautiful. Who'd have thought it? bish  bosh, 00:14, 8 October 2010 (UTC).
 * In a similar vein to the LAPD list, I've always wanted to get List of Prussian soldiers kicked to death by horses to FL, but I've always lacked a collaborator. I have an immaculate source, Ladislaus Bortkiewicz's Das Gesetz der kleinen Zahlen 1898. Any takers? --RexxS (talk) 02:01, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
 * LOL... fantastic idea! [/me clicks on link and effortfully slogs through some polysyllabic German about suicide statstics. ] My German isn't up to much... but this guy is a tad dependent on Durkheim, ja? Ah... coming to the horses. Delightful. But where are the Prussian soldiers' names? How're you gonna list them without that? Am I not going deep enough? [/me starts to work on List of horses that kicked Prussian soldiers to death.] bish  bosh .10:48, 8 October 2010 (UTC).
 * The names shouldn't be a big problem. After getting an overdose of websites of polytechnical universities when I tried to verify the extent of some university strike in 1998 or so, I created the website of Fachhochschule Waldkirch with two other students. The students' restaurant became particularly popular after it was converted to one generated by a Perl script every full hour. Of course the probabilities for treats like penguin steak or butterfly salad were carefully adjusted. Sorry for the digression. Where was I? Ah, yes. I think the names won't be a problem. After all, we only need to stay under the radar until a publisher or a celebrated author picks up the topic and we have a book that we can cite. At that point we can nominate the list for FL. Hans Adler 13:09, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
 * La Bishonen, first of all: I had not noticed any similarity between Sandstein's signature and my own – if there is, then it's purely co-incidental, but probably no bad thing as it will keep people alert, on their toes and nervous when I manifest myself. Secondly, I have nothing against lists and disinfoboxes – so long as they are not in pages I am watching – I see you, today, commenting quite rightly about the Jewish template here. I recently saw off something very similar on Mistress where a template of even more monumental proportions sought to replace Madame de Pompadour's very fine features with a template linking her to social climbing, one legged, single, black parents with gender disorders – or other such similar beings with maladies dreamt up by duplicitious American psychiatrists attempting to dupe half witted people out of their life savings. To quote my esteemed aunt "One despairs!".   Giacomo   19:12, 9 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh, yeah, I remember you blew up about the Mistress template—but that was positively petite compared to the original sidebar! I might be prepared to admit that the links in Mistress were worse, though. Singles event... Transgression (which, furthermore, is a disambiguation page, with none of the senses even a little relevant to "Mistress")... lol.   Bishonen   20:51, 9 October 2010 (UTC).

Well, thanks
And if you want to read it now, it is Liberty Head nickel. The coverage of US coins on wiki is pretty bad, and I've hope I've set an example that others will follow.--Wehwalt (talk) 20:27, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I had to laugh at Saint-Gaudens' opinion that he himself was one of only four engravers in the world, and the only American, capable of such work; and even more at Barber's riposte that there was only one altogether (guess who :-)). Coin people seem to be a much more wild-eyed lot than I would have imagined. Bishonen | talk 00:13, 5 October 2010 (UTC).

Two Threads on ANI
I wasn't aware of the first thread, I saw the threat checking through the "Recent Changes" page. Exxolon (talk) 03:02, 10 October 2010 (UTC)
 * I figured it was something like that. It would have been simpler to see that the two threads went together if the people who posted the first thread had told us the IP number, right on the page, instead of hiding it in a link. But I can't fault them, really. I suppose their idea was to be discreet and not shame anybody, and I'm all for that. I hope you didn't mind my "merge". Bishonen | talk 03:47, 10 October 2010 (UTC).

Invitation to join WikiProject Bacon !
Thank you for your time, -- Cirt (talk) 08:43, 16 October 2010 (UTC)
 * WikiProject Bacon has been created, and you are cordially invited to join, and list yourself as a participant at WikiProject Bacon!
 * You may also feel free to add the userbox - User Bacon - to your userpage, to indicate your participation in the WikiProject.
 * The Bacon WikiCup is also ongoing, more info about that at User:SuperHamster/Bacon Challenge 2011, and User:SuperHamster/Bacon WikiCup 2011.


 * No, thank you kindly. Already a founder member of Bishzilla's Push button, receive bacon project.  Bishonen | talk 11:05, 16 October 2010 (UTC).
 * No worries. Thanks for the response, -- Cirt (talk) 11:10, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

SAQ
No, it's fine. I'll have to read up on the Easter egg business. Tom Reedy (talk) 19:23, 16 October 2010 (UTC)


 * No prob bro. Carry on. Tom Reedy (talk) 19:25, 16 October 2010 (UTC)


 * I was wondering about that as I wrote it, but I meant in the H5 context. And I think there was no conflict because we were edting different sections (but to edit the lede you have to edit the entire page . . . hmmm). Tom Reedy (talk) 19:29, 16 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Yer funny. Tom Reedy (talk) 19:37, 16 October 2010 (UTC)


 * As long as we're not getting any edit conflict messages we're all right, aren't we? Tom Reedy (talk) 19:58, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

Rather than go on strike – make a strike at Wikipedia's smug bullying powerbase
[//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AMalleus_Fatuorum&action=historysubmit&diff=391205418&oldid=391177554]. I think we need to do something to highlight the contempt with which quality content and its writers are treated here. The Arb elections are the perfect time to start. What do you think? Best keep any debate on Malleus's talk.  Giacomo  08:59, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
 * If you followed the admin elections like I do, then you'd know how few admin elections there are now. See the currently quite empty candidate table on my userpage—I'll copy it below, for demonstration. Last week there was one candidate, today none. Soxbot is updating a void. And do you recollect the trouble they had getting any remotely suitable candidates to run in the 2009 arb elections? Bishzilla and Lady C would have swept the boards if they'd offered. It appears that these kinds of power positions aren't desirable either. "1000s of admins and arbs"—where you been, man? Sorry to say it, Giacomo, but you're living in the past. You'll have to think of something they'd notice. As for Malleus' page, that would be fine, except I'm not sure I'm welcome there. :-( Use e-mail, perhaps. Bishonen | talk 10:17, 17 October 2010 (UTC).

<br style="clear:both" />

Översättning
Lång tajm, etc...

Jag och några andra på sv.wiki gick samman och översatte Mario Vargas Llosa. Vi tänkte att det skulle vara fint att ha den på framsidan runt 10 december, men för det krävs nog lite korr och kritiska ögon. Du verkar ju hyfsat bevandrad vad gäller litteratur och så behärskar du förstås ärans och hjältarnas språk. Skulle du kunna tänka dig att ta dig en flukt på vår enkla tolkning av innan vi drar igång nomineringsmaskineriet på allvar?

vänliga hälsningar,

Peter Isotalo 23:53, 17 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Sure. Tomorrow or so. Just going to... whatsitcalled... bed... yaaawn... goodnight, Peter. Bishonen | talk 00:02, 18 October 2010 (UTC).
 * Ahem! May I just point out this is a British encyclopedia, where we are proud to speak British! I did have a lady's maid called Vi Tänkte once, and she wasn't very good, but I digress. What would happen if others started yacketing and yocketing in their own native tongues – many pages would become in incomprehendble and confused – can you imagine that? If you amd Mr Isotalo wish to gabble away in Himalayan then please go and edit the encyclopedia designated for people from those parts. Thank you, Lady Catherine Rollbacker-de Burgh (the Late) (talk) 07:12, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Dear Lady Rollbacker, I really hate correcting you, but this seems to be a case of lamaing rather than yacking. Contrary to appearances, this Lhosa person is from the Andes. It is beyond me why these mountain dwellers can't keep their cultures separate across the ocean like normal people do. Notwithstanding, we do spend some tolerance on deserving members of our community. Mrs Bishonen may not have participated in vandal-fighting as much as one could hope, but we can make an exception in this case. After all, the Great British language very likely does not have enough words for stone to permit a scientific conversation about Buddhist mountain pyramids. So it is very reasonable to talk about them in Quechua, and, frankly, I don't think we are missing much. Hans Adler 07:57, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Mr Adler, no doubt you are an "Alpen type person", but I have only the opportunity to retreat to my skiing-schloss, but a few times a year. I do not have time to traipse about exploring obscure mountain ranges which are social deserts ihabited only by wilderbeests, yeti and polar bears – especially in my late condition. If Mrs Bishonen and Mr Isotalo wish to plan an expidition to conquor Everest, I have no problem with that – so long as they speak British while doing so. Yours faithfully. Lady Catherine Rollbacker-de Burgh (the Late) (talk) 08:12, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
 * "Whatsitcalled" may be bad British, but is British nonetheless, mrs Rollbacker. As for Peter, he was discussing an article on the Swedish wikipedia (yes, there are such things) and so must have fallen unawares into his wild native tongue (or was Russian in fact your first language, Peter?). As long as Bishzilla understands it, which she does (it's a somewhat debased version of Ur-Dino), I can't say I'm any too concerned about you people. [/me traipses off, nose in the air. ] Bishonen | talk 15:09, 18 October 2010 (UTC).


 * Like I say to Bishonen in words of Great Swedish Writer, Professor of Greek language, and big Bishop Esaias Tegnér it is language of GLORY and HEROS!!!
 * (Tack så hemskt mycket förresten. Alltid trevligt med din assistangs.)
 * Peter Isotalo 21:23, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Right. Language of glory, heroes and prehistoric monsters! Bishonen | talk 23:25, 19 October 2010 (UTC).

Pardon me for butting in, but… Skandinaver?!? På enwiki? Dem er det langt mellom, eller så har jeg inntrykk av, og det er alltid morsomt å oppdage at de finnes. Selv om de snakker denne tvilsomme dialekten som ser ut til å være populær i mindre siviliserte områder mot øst… Anyways, cheers from slightly more to the west (and north, I'm sure). --Xover (talk) 07:41, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
 * There are more of them around than anyone expects, but you have to be careful of your language: 'uncivilised' sounds so much like 'uncivil' that you'll have the police chasing you; and some of my best friends are Finns. --T-RexxS (talk) 11:39, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Langt mellom? See what a difference perspective makes. To my eye, we have an infestation of Scandos here, and so does the admin channel on IRC. Would that they were all linguistic geniuses like mr Isotalo. RexxS, the first piece of national prejudice I heard on this site, about 10 minutes after arriving, was this, courtesy of user:Geogre:


 * Q: How can you tell if a Finn is an extrovert?
 * A: He stares at your shoes.


 * As for highly amusing Swedish stories about Norwegians, they are as the leaves in the forest, naturally. [/me wanders off, humming the scurrilous Norgevisan: ] "...för att dom har så fula fjäll, och taskig folkpension!" (Before North Sea Oil, no doubt. Now we're merely envious.) All the best, Bishonen | talk 12:25, 20 November 2010 (UTC).
 * Heh heh. Oh man, that's… absolutely brilliant! I wasn't even aware that it existed, and both the original and Uggla's updated version are hilarious. Granted your average norwegian considers Sweden to be nothing more than one large superstore for cheap booze, meat, and even dairy products; but I've always felt you had a leg up in the music department (oh if only Thåström and the rest would let Stormare's Här Föll Imperiet reach release!) and this does rather, I think, support that position. Thanks for the link. Dagens höjdare is, perhaps, the apposite phrase. --Xover (talk) 18:04, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Haha. OMG, it has a Wikipedia article ! Bishonen | talk 21:35, 20 November 2010 (UTC).

SockSigs
... prolly fixed. -- darwin bish  BITE 22:10, 20 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Really? What a clever little bish! Bishonen | talk 22:23, 20 October 2010 (UTC).

ROAR?
[//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AAdministrators%27_noticeboard&action=historysubmit&diff=392010042&oldid=392004624 Hint, hint.] Tex (talk) 17:16, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Darwin fish (1).png


 * I think my evil sister should be on arbcom! She's so... forceful! darwin fish 22:35, 21 October 2010 (UTC).
 * Darwinbish.jpg
 * Dam straight! BITE! I'll skip that wienie election and just join 'em!  darwin bish  BITE 22:43, 21 October 2010 (UTC).


 * [Bishapod hovers nervously, torn between pride and nameless concerns. ] Er...pod introduce his socks! Just created! Cute little fellers! Good twin, evil twin! Young Darwinbish, er... angry little sock! Lot of Bishzilla genes in that one! [Pod jumps out of the way as Darwinbish tries to bite him in the tail. ]  bish a pod   splash!  22:53, 21 October 2010 (UTC).
 * Yay! More!  Georgewilliamherbert (talk) 23:00, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

Oh, noes, I'm going to have to update my campaign poster! MOAR Bishes! Tex (talk) 14:24, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Tee hee. Sorry, little manager. But I stumbled on the inspired portrait of the Darwinbish by my good friend Freply Spang (who none of you youngsters remember, I expect!) in an ancient archive... tiddelipom... I simply had to use it. I mean, Bishapod was enchanted. Friend T-rex may animate it one of these fine days, especially the biting! :-) Bishonen | talk 15:18, 22 October 2010 (UTC).


 * OMG, updated already? Tex, you're crazy, lol! Bishonen | talk 15:21, 22 October 2010 (UTC).
 * Hee Hee. I'm afraid I made a mess of updating the original poster.  There's like 10 different versions of it uploaded now!  I finally got it right and made the new poster a separate file and reverted the original back.  Oh, well.  I know only 1 of the new socks is a "-bish", but I like the twins.  I will watch them with anticipation! I wonder how long until the evil twin makes his own socks??? Tex (talk) 15:25, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

Billy Waggledagger
Yeah, I iz aware of that going on, so I don't want to say anything too quickly. --Elen of the Roads (talk) 15:02, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Maybe we should get the Darwin twins onto it. --Elen of the Roads (talk) 15:07, 22 October 2010 (UTC) Darwinbish.jpg [Fake friendly voice ] Hellooo there, Elen! Come a little closer! I
 * can almost reach your yummy sig...  darwin bish  BITE 15:35, 22 October 2010 (UTC).

ANI/Smatprt
Pardon my intrusion, but the [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents/Smatprt&diff=prev&oldid=392312046 posting you replied to] was not inserted there by LessHeardvanU. Kanguole 00:06, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
 * For god's sake. Smatprt quoting him, and not signing! One day Smatprt will be too clever for his own good. Thanks very much for telling me. Bishonen | talk 00:35, 23 October 2010 (UTC).

ty
Thanks for not blocking him. User talk:Xanderliptak. Malke 2010 (talk) 20:29, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah... I'd always rather not block people, of course with the exception of vandalism-only accounts. And when there's an active WP:RFC on him, he should preferably be able to take part in it. Bishonen | talk 23:37, 26 October 2010 (UTC).
 * Yes, it would make things harder for him. Very thoughtful of you. :) Malke 2010 (talk) 12:29, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

Messed up new article name
Dear Bishonen, Sorry to bother you abuot this but I would appreciate admin. advice on the following. Stupidly I have created an article Arconovaldi Bonaccorsi, and it should be Arconovaldo Bonaccorsi. Can the title be easily changed or should I request the wrongly titled article be deleted and start the correct Arconovaldo Bonaccorsi article afresh. Sorry again to bother you. ThanksSayerslle (talk) 21:19, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh, that's no problem at all. I've moved the page to the correct title. Bishonen | talk 21:30, 28 October 2010 (UTC).
 * Thanks a lot.Sayerslle (talk) 21:36, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

Bardauthor
I wouldn't be in favour of one of those templates that runs down the side of the page, but I think the current one, which is used at the bottom of the page, is quite discreet. Does it dignify the idea? I guess it does, but it also draws attention to all the mutually contradictory theories, and some of the more absurd ones (such as Anne Whateley which I recently added). As long as someone doesn't suggest that Shakespeare himself be added to the list, as if he's just a 'candidate', then I'm quite happy with it. Others may be less so. Paul B (talk) 22:07, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
 * OK, that makes sense. Of course a three-column template would run down the side, in a wide, squat way, probably from the top of the page. I noticed the categories at the same time, btw; they're good! Bishonen | talk 22:18, 29 October 2010 (UTC).

Links and diffs
I've added another example to Complete diff and link guide – does that meet your needs? --RexxS (talk) 19:13, 31 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh, yes, exactly! I can do that. Thanks very much. But (irrepressible curiosity) why is it different from the upload log and the Carcharoth contribs one, with their curly brackets and stuff? Or rather, why are they different, since yours is the one that looks "normal"? Oh, I see... checking the history. Somebody couldn't resist making it more fancy. And oh noes, they had to curlify the "simple" and "simplest" guides as well! Sigh. Don't get me wrong, I like nerds, but sometimes it's like they hate newbies and the technologically challenged. Grrr... I see I protested on the "simple" talkpage when the change was made, but to no effect. Ri-ight, we'll see about that. [/me goes to revert two out of three guides.] I'd really like to revert all three, but I guess I'll compromise. Bishonen | talk 21:13, 31 October 2010 (UTC).
 * Well, I guess there's always a temptation to use a template to do a job, because the assumption is it makes things 'simpler'. My instinct in this case (honed from 35+ years of teaching across different ages) was to give the bare url, as it only requires one level of comprehension (the offset) for anybody used to seeing the normal urls for wiki-pages. Different audiences need different examples, so I'd recommend giving multiple examples wherever possible. --RexxS (talk) 02:30, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

Gift template
Jehochman Talk 17:35, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Template snow keep ! :-D These are the things that give me hope for Wikipedia. Bishonen | talk 22:35, 2 November 2010 (UTC).


 * Spoilsport. --Ralph (talk) 20:30, 1 November 2010 (UTC)


 * See reply on ANI talk Special:PermanentLink/394250870. I have long since discovered the advantages of calling on one's large, savage sock when encountering spoilsports; now Bishapod is having the same delightful experience (in his case, it's a small, savage sock). Bishonen | talk 21:42, 1 November 2010 (UTC).


 *  Darwin bish  ! Here, girl! Go get the bad man! Fetch Pod's trike!  bish a pod   splash!  21:45, 1 November 2010 (UTC).


 * Icone sushi.png Come to me little fishies. Jehochman Talk 22:42, 1 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Calling the darwinbish?? Man's got a deathwish! Bishonen | talk 01:06, 2 November 2010 (UTC).
 * Okay, I felt Cthulhu rearrange my brain with that conversation.- Jack Sebastian (talk) 21:54, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

Re: language
Thanks for catching my spellcheck error there. Word sub took over and led to a very different sentence than what was intended. Thanks for pointing it out. - Jack Sebastian (talk) 21:48, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
 * OK. Good answer, sir. darwin fish 22:21, 2 November 2010 (UTC).

Good honest God fearin' folks and their corner for evil toxic critters
Tell me Bishonen, am I alone in having never heard of Wikiquette alerts until yesterday? I'm so pleased to have found it, as it seems a most amusing place to send one's enemies. Once nominated, they have to stand and be lambasted by the unwashed members of some small minded, tobacco chewing religious denomination of unknown name. Everytime one hears a naughty word, one can rush off and have the offender pilloried there. I'm going to make full use of it; I think I will go and hover around Malleus's page for a while, one can usually here a few rude words there without havng to wait too long. If you can report 10 people in one day, they give you a free adminship and an "Awsesome Wikipedian" award; I've always wanyted one of those.  Giacomo  14:28, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes—yes, you are quite alone in that. I do trust you looked at the top section there also, where a complaint about Bishonen gets a somewhat frosty reception from the WA regular (Looie) who responds? Then all the other SD supporters roll in for a group hug, naturally. If you care for further colourful material on that particular complainer versus Bishonen, check out his talkpage — sorry, I mean the History of his talkpage — because only happy things get to stay on the front of the page. [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Kiefer.Wolfowitz&action=history&limit=25&offset=20101029180000 Here] comes the relevant history—RexxS has taught me a wonderful trick for permanently linking to a particular part of a page history — how's that for useful? Great guy, isn't he? (Not RexxS, the other chap.) I'm thinking of sending him an "Awesome Wikipedian" template. On that, do you mean to tell me you've never had one? Quelle chicane! Granted, I haven't either... but Bishzilla was one of the very first recipients! Anybody can send one to anybody, so how about giving one to the characterful young darwinbish? Bishonen | talk 15:03, 4 November 2010 (UTC).
 * Oh you're already there are you? well, I didn't bother to read it, I don't think that's what it's for – it's more a place for ...well I don't really know – somebody thought it useful I expect. No, I have never been an "Awsome Wikipedian" or even had my own day, I thought you had to be given it by Rlevse; what a relief, that won't have gone with him then – so there's still hope for me. I would rather like one of thise senior editor things, but anyway I am not hinting or anything like that – I feel I need something that rather dignifies my position in Wikipedia, especially as I'm not "Toxic" like you – just "Trouble" I think was the expresion. Bye for now.   Giacomo   16:08, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I think you get to claim you're a senior or 97% fat-free or whatever Wikipedian, by your number of edits. Like this, or, even better, this. Though the second sounds a bit like a child, I suppose... "Time for master Editor's bath!" You may or may not have been referred to as "toxic", but you know as well as I do that the uncivil editor who famously flung the expression at me only did that because he didn't dare aim it directly at you—it was meant for you all right. Bishonen | talk 17:47, 4 November 2010 (UTC).
 * No, I don't agree. He and I are very close friends, one of my best friends in fact. He's always on the phone wanting to borrow Villa Splendido, the yacht or the Cessna to take him to one place or another. I don't mind of course because I'm a nice sort of person. I am just very misunderstood here.  Giacomo   17:58, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
 * A Cessna? Oh dear, a Reliant van with wings, and a lawnmower for an engine – possibly quite suitable for the intended borrower, but nothing compared to a Aermacchi... LessHeard vanU (talk) 22:24, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

I like to re-use section headers
brenneman 03:39, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
 * While I'm sure there exist an award Template:Sensible Editor I have little truck with form-letters, so I'll take the old-fashioned approach: I found your comments in the "Right! What's going on with RLevse?" discussion at the Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents to be in good form. I shall file curate away right next to clerk, under "Words that give me passive authority."  Useful indeed.
 * Hi, Aaron, nice to see you! Word that gives you best active authority:  ROA R R! !     (Borrowed from sensible editor.) Bishonen | talk 20:34, 8 November 2010 (UTC).

Question
How do you do that thing you do where you can link to a section of a page and it stays the same even when the original has been atchived. I want this section Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents in my collection of links for my new best selling essay "Giano, corruption and Wikipedia." Thank you.  Giacomo  08:07, 9 November 2010 (UTC)


 * In the left side menu under Toolbox, click permanent link. Then go to the table of contents, and right click the section link you want to link to, and select "copy link address" (or the equivalent command in your browser).  Jehochman Talk 12:21, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Or you could just use this:
 * Special:PermanentLink/395733740
 * Since it's closed, I guess it will be archived exactly as it is now. If anything changes, drop a note to User:Darwinfish who's becoming an expert on these sort of things now. --T-RexxS (talk) 13:04, 9 November 2010 (UTC)




 * [Joyfully dizzy from the only compliment he has ever received, darwinfish forgets to keep an eye out for his evil sister darwinbish. She bites him.] Hee Hee!  darwin bish  BITE 18:26, 9 November 2010 (UTC).
 * OUCH! darwin fish 18:29, 9 November 2010 (UTC).

Candy for the Bishzilla
<div style="border-style:solid; border-color:blue; background-color:AliceBlue; border-width:1px; text-align:left; padding:9px;" class="plainlinks"> Torinir has given you a lollipop! This horrible pun and delicious candy promotes WikiLove and tells the world how low you will stoop for the sake of humor. Spread WikiLove by giving someone else a lollipop, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend.

Spread the unrelenting joy of lollipops by adding {{subst:Lollipop}} to someone's talk page with a friendly message! '''Chomp, chomp. [Indistinctly.] Thank you. Lollipop gone. On the small side! Flower represent 'shonen mood. Better pour prussic acid on it.'   bishzilla     ROA R R! !   ''.

I am totally pouring water on that wilted flower. :D Torinir ( Ding my phone   My support calls   E-Support Options  ) 11:31, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

GR
He's being rather petty and childish, seems to me. I try to help, and his response is equivalent to "F.U." Whatever. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 17:26, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Sorry about that. I removed your post (on request) purely because it fucked up the design, being placed between the careful farewell message and the wikibreak template. I don't think Giano realised it was a reply to his small-font request; I didn't myself until just now. I'd put it back, but it's, ahem, on the wrong level for the purpose. G isn't a techiehead, and he was asking about something much simpler (which I afterwards replied to). Bishonen | talk 19:48, 10 November 2010 (UTC).
 * OK, I see. I wasn't quite sure what he was asking, but you not only answered that, you also kind of answered the question I thought I was answering. I do think some time off will do him good. I know it does for me when I get too wound up about something. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 20:57, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

You are a little image thief!
Acroterion's image you posted up top is pretty cool...I know that region well...the mountain you can barely see at the upper right in that image is Mount Wilbur (Montana)...--MONGO 04:59, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, you're not getting them back! I can offer... hmm... how about the unique and highly prized Podstar? Bishonen | talk 05:19, 14 November 2010 (UTC).

Yeah
It reminds me of school assemblies when the Head used to say that pupils who left money in their coat pockets were equally to blame as the pupils who stole it. Pissed me off then and still does now. Fainites barley scribs 15:54, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Right. PC at its worst. Growl. Bishonen | talk 16:46, 14 November 2010 (UTC).
 * Gosh no. Far to old for PC! I put it down to the general contempt with which many adults treat children. Outward behavioural control is all. Fainites barley scribs 18:46, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I guess so. I thought of how adults treat children, and some admins treat blocked editors, when I read, and took part in, this little exchange: [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=prev&oldid=395464303] [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=prev&oldid=395467054] [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=prev&oldid=395471015]. Note how the blocked individual needs to "indicate that he has learned something from the block" and to be be "properly regretful", and then perhaps we might consider letting him off the naughty step. It makes me sick. Bishonen | talk 22:33, 14 November 2010 (UTC).
 * I think there are some new editors who are obviously children with whom one might take that tone I suppose but used against established or adult editors it's just ....well, baiting really. Fainites barley scribs 22:45, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
 * In some ways, it's worse than baiting, because you can always ignore that. I chose the word "demeaning" carefully, because it not only demeans the blocked editor, it also demeans the blocking admin – although that's not always obvious to them. Behaviour modification doesn't happen through humiliation – that just breeds resentment. It works through the "teaching emotion" (as Jerry explains in Edward Albee's Zoo Story), and you always need a combination of carrot and stick for it to work. --RexxS (talk) 02:15, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, *I* get angry very often! Mebbe I get that 'shonen to quote you in the upcoming Mick/Doc arb... abr... arbrition, Big Rex!  darwin bish  BITE 02:41, 15 November 2010 (UTC).
 * Oh God! A resentful fish on legs! Tell me, do your scales stand on end? Fainites barley scribs 09:26, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I am evil, hear me roar! And don't be fresh! [/me bites Fainites on the ankle. ]  darwin bish  BITE 16:09, 15 November 2010 (UTC). Darwinbish.jpg
 * Fainites batters little fish on legs. Nomnomnom. Very fresh. Fainites barley scribs 23:34, 20 November 2010 (UTC)  Happyjoe.jpg
 * [For the first time in his life, Bishapod makes a roaring sound. ] Don't batter [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Bishapod&diff=391711306&oldid=390894525 my socks]!!  Darwinbish, get the bad man — chaarge!!!  bish a pod   ROARR!   00:16, 21 November 2010 (UTC).
 * Too late! Fish and chips.jpg Fainites barley scribs 00:30, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Most amusing. Is that Brighton? Bishonen | talk 01:57, 21 November 2010 (UTC).
 * Norfolk. Another beach with pebbles and brown sand. Fainites barley scribs 21:58, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

Durable links
Not so durable it seems [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AGiacomoReturned&action=historysubmit&diff=395961908&oldid=395959257]. Never mind, I have returned just in time, and I have a copy of Coren and Shell's posts. A few days away fishing has recharged my batteries, and now I am like new and rearing to go.  Giacomo  22:54, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I saw you were back, I was just looking out some diffs for you. If you post this one on your page, I expect it'll get deleted too. Bishonen | talk 23:00, 14 November 2010 (UTC).
 * Indeed, I am restored to you, and with teeth bared and sharpened. I am quite incredulous, that the first thing I see when logging in is that. I'm sure it is not a conspiracy to cover up Coren and Shell's edits, purely coincidence – what else could it be? How fortuitous, that I suspected their posts might dissapear and took a copy before my wikibreak.  Giacomo   23:20, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh, arr. Or, for your private use, you can apply to your friendly neighborhood admin to undelete. You have mail. Bishonen | talk 23:39, 14 November 2010 (UTC).
 * Thank you friendly neighbourhood admin. here's the page User talk:Demiurge1000/Second enquiry into the Rlevse affair. I realy don't want another great scene on ANI, but if necessary to get the page undeleted and the diffs readable, then needs must.  Giacomo   23:41, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, isn'nt that amzing – the title page has been restored to us "(Deletion log); 23:42 . . RHaworth (talk | contribs) restored "User:Demiurge1000/Second enquiry into the Rlevse affair" (8 revisions restored)" but not the talk. They were deleted by two seperate Admins withing seconds of each other – truly – these things cannot be explained.  Giacomo   23:51, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
 * ummmm... dumb non-admin question ... where did it all go? I saw some pretty clueless stuff in there ... "the entire group at FAC review"?  Do they just make this stuff up?  And was a freshly minted admin in there?  Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 23:54, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, speaking from my sedated straightjacket in the Asylum, I rather think we must imagine we see the Arbs saying these things, for there is certainly now no proof. I agree, it is entirely your fault SG that Arbs are forced to plagiarise. <span

style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">  Giacomo  23:56, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm also responsible for every one of these reviews, years later, apparently. Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 00:40, 15 November 2010 (UTC)


 * e/c. What a coincidence, I just undeleted the talk. Seek and ye shall find it, Giacomo. Do you need a copy, Sandy? And stop edit conflicting me! Bishonen | talk 23:58, 14 November 2010 (UTC).
 * You are so clever Bishonen, I go to bed a happy man. 00:03, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
 * No, I don't need a copy-- like I don't have enough crap to deal with-- but some of that was ... well ... who *is* the "entire group at FAC review", btw? Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 00:08, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
 * You mean you don't know? It's so secret and powerful even the members don't know who's in it? Truly a cadre to end all cadre's. Fainites barley scribs 09:29, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

e/c, sigh. Giano, why you fucking with me? "Not the talk..." That was the talk those two undeleted! That's why it went blue above, see it? And I've got you another copy of it... for... OK, never mind, as far as I can see both the userpage and the talkpage are now available on the wiki. Enjoy. Bishonen | talk 00:10, 15 November 2010 (UTC).

Aha...[//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3ADemiurge1000%2FSecond_enquiry_into_the_Rlevse_affair&action=historysubmit&diff=395769573&oldid=395769070 this] is just the start of the thread. Mine is the last version, so it's the one to read; it's complete. Good night. Bishonen | talk 00:16, 15 November 2010 (UTC).
 * Well certain people seem to be getting very worried. It seems the integrity of this project canot afford for me to take even the shortest of wikibreaks.I really think their posts need to remain in full and very public view. What would happen if we could all just have our most ignorant, viscious and downright stupid posts vaourised away? Vote keep here.  Giacomo   09:40, 15 November 2010 (UTC)


 * User talk:SandyGeorgia. Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 13:59, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Mood
[//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Bishonen&diff=prev&oldid=396426072 Hee Hee!] I'm not sure how that corresponds to your mood (are you the biter or the bitee?), but that thing is kinda hypnotic, isn't it? Tex (talk) 15:06, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure either... I think it's prolly the sweet little twins, together, improving my mood with their idyllic childish games. After all, nothing could be much worse than that sad flower. Bishonen | talk 16:15, 15 November 2010 (UTC).
 * Help! Save me!  darwin fish 16:14, 15 November 2010 (UTC).  Darwin fish (1).png




 * [/me goes into a sugar coma.] Nom nom nom nom nom nom nom ! Keep Darwinbish away from those beauties, they're mine! Mine! Nom nom nom! [Soberly.] I wonder if the cupcakes mean an RFC is coming up? Oh well never mind, nom nom! Thank you, caped crusader! Bishonen | talk 12:37, 16 November 2010 (UTC).

Blocking?
How do you get editors blocked? This guy is nothing but a vandal. Tom Reedy (talk) 16:03, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Indeed he is; he's just back from a one-year block and immediately starts up again! I'll do this one, thanks for the report. For future reference: note vandals on Administrator intervention against vandalism. Bishonen | talk 16:46, 16 November 2010 (UTC).
 * Now look what you did: made me do my well-known impersonation of "[//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents&diff=397129400&oldid=397128619 the idiot admin]" on ANI! Bishonen | talk 16:59, 16 November 2010 (UTC).
 * P.S.No cheap jibes, please. And if you all try to post "what do you mean impersonation"? at the same time, there will be an edit conflict to end all edit conflicts.) bish  bosh

Request for an apology
I'd kindly request an apology for your derogatory evaluation of my work in Wikipedia and my attitude towards the project. See details here. Thanks. -- Nazar (talk) 11:35, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I have replied to your request on the WP:WQA page, Nazar. Bishonen | talk 13:36, 17 November 2010 (UTC).
 * This is just a reminder that your actions and comments regarding my request at WQA have been very unprofessional and cost me a lot of unproductive stress and bad experience. I've heard somewhere that you are an administrator. If my opinion is of any value here, I think you shouldn't be that. Your evaluation of situations is very tendentious and is counter-productive for the Wikipedia articles. It's also excessively judgmental in a personal way. An apology from you would be a good sign of improvement on your side, though I don't really have much hope for it. Thanks so far. You may also consider that actions started by you were one of the main reasons I feel reluctant and discouraged to continue Wiki editing. I was of a much better opinion about Wikipedia community, its neutrality and positive constructive approach before the events at WQA and subsequent ANI. I think, though, my mistake was that I expected too much from this community... -- Nazar (talk) 12:51, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
 * If both of you don't mind hearing from me: Nazar, I can see that you're frustrated, but as I look at the WQA you mention, it seems you're in a minority of one in saying Bishonen's been unprofessional and rude, and I'm afraid I can't see anything in her comments to you that are at that level. The language she used was direct, but not abusive. Wikipedia requires civility, but civility is not the same as constant use of happy language. And as you're the only one who's objected to Bishonen's remarks, I'm not surprised you're not getting an apology. In this case, there seemed to be a near-universal (admittedly among a small group of editors) that it was your conduct that was unacceptable, not Bishonen's or Dr. K's. Have you taken that to heart? I'm not familiar with this content dispute, but such agreement at the WQA leads me to believe they're most likely to be right and that you ought to rethink your editing. You do what you choose to. Heimstern Läufer (talk) 14:46, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Heimstern Läufer. Personally, I don't mind hearing from you. It just makes me feel bad that I wasn't able to defend the justice in the mentioned WQA. I did not come there for content dispute. I came there because one of the users repeatedly named my polite article related messages a "hectoring". And, as WQA showed, it seems no one cared about this, which is obviously an incivility (though maybe a minor one, but I also did not request any administrative action, just tried to receive a non-binding mediation for the issue). But, on the other hand, the majority of involved party of my opponents started to selectively look for questionable content related issues and proposed a page ban for me, a page ban from the article which was basically created and filled with information mostly by me. And that all facing no unsolved article related issues at the moment of my WQA message… Bishonen was the one who led this wave of aggression towards me... I could point out further flaws and inconsistencies in content related edits, as well as in personal messages to me from Dr.K. and from other editors involved into that dispute, but I don't think it's worthwhile, first of all because there's no content dispute at the present moment, and secondly, because I'm in the minority here, and my experience shows that the majority of my opponents are not willing to recognize their own mistakes, even when proven wrong. The point of this message is just to express my opinion in hope that maybe with the time Bishonen would be able to see how her actions were wrong and how they were a catalyst of a very negative phenomenon which had happened. I do hope it would make for a better Wikipedia if such events would be prevented in future. Again, there are multiple things for which I could be entitled for an apology from multiple users involved into that WQA, Dr.K. being the first of them, as his use of "hectoring" wasn't justified, even if it was a mistake on his part, which he claimed at the end of the dispute... Still, it seems I was the only one who apologized and recognized mistakes on my part. The rest (including Bishonen) probably deemed themselves quite perfect. lol. Such an attitude could be OK (though flawed) for an average user, but it's probably not acceptable for an admin... But, well, time will provide for more clarity... Thanks. -- Nazar (talk) 15:56, 2 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Your claim that: ...even if it was a mistake on his part, which he claimed at the end of the dispute... is not correct. I did not claim that my use of the word "hectoring" was a mistake. If you think that I did admit that my use of the word "hectoring" was a mistake please provide a diff. Thank you. As McGeddon told you at WQA my use of the word "hectoring" was admirable in its restraint under the circumstances. As I see it you simply refuse to let the matter drop and you keep mentioning my name around Wikipedia weeks after the episodes ended despite being told by multiple people that you had no case against me and despite being offered conciliatory statements by me at the end of your unjust WQA action against me. I don't appreciate that. As far as Bishonen's skills as an admin are concerned, I think that she is an excellent admin with deep knowledge of policies and issues and her actions at the last WQA were flawless. Your memory appears also to be very selective. Four other admins, Jehochman, Elen of the Roads, Looie496 at WQA and 2/0 at ANI, found fault with your actions and three of them suggested further actions against you. Bishonen was not the only person who found fault with your actions. Nevertheless it is high time that you let this matter drop. You are not helping yourself by selectively coming after Bishonen weeks after you were told by multiple people that your actions were misguided. Thank you. Dr.K. <sup style="position:relative">λogos<span style="position:relative;bottom:-2.0ex;left:-5.2ex;*left:-5.5ex">πraxis 10:47, 3 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks for reacting, Dr.K.. I don't think that your use of "hectoring" was admirable, and you yourself admitted that you messed up the timings of my messages in reaction to which you used that word. If it was your mistake, then, in my understanding, you do owe me an apology, at least for an honest mistake, and for the stress I unjustly received because of your actions (both at WQA and at ANI). But I'm not going to request any administrative action against you if you don't provide that apology or if you disagree with me. I just write here to express how I feel about the situation (and it still pains me now, after almost 3 weeks), and how this influences my inspiration (or the lack of such) to edit Wikipedia. Bishonen was the first to suggest a page ban for me, others mostly joined the fun. I can repeat, that, if my opinion is of any value, Bishonen's actions were unprofessional, excessively punishing and selectively judgmental. She continued them at ANI in spite of my earlier clarifications at WQA (simply ignoring these clarifications), which ANI itself was very tendentious to say the least. I do not believe a person undertaking such actions should be an admin. But this is my personal opinion, of course... Others may think differently... Speaking of that ANI, your own edits of the article in question were just as much a trouble for me as my edits might have been for you, so I really don't see why call my edits an "edit-warring", if yours were just the same, only from an opposite side of the dispute? This is another example of how tendentious that ANI was. And it does not make me happy that other admins were not competent enough to see that... I don't see what more could be disputed about the content of Prahlad Jani at present moment, but the recent events at WQA and ANI do not make me particularly happy. And I don't think I was the only one who should have apologized there, though apparently I was the only one who was mature enough to do this. I'm sorry if this is not what you think about the situation, but that's how I feel. I'm just trying to be open and honest in this unbinding private discussion, and hope I don't get another ANI from someone here in revenge for taking the liberty of expressing my opinion on the case. Thanks. Nazar (talk) 11:55, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

Apology
I accidentally rolled back one of your edits [//en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AWikiquette_alerts&action=historysubmit&diff=397299787&oldid=397299136] but have restored it. Sorry. Spartaz Humbug! 13:31, 17 November 2010 (UTC)


 * That was quick! No problem, of course. Bishonen | talk 13:36, 17 November 2010 (UTC).

Your question
"Most unsatisfactory" is the kindest thing I could find to say to the follow up. As to the initial question, I could have come up with a couple of other scenarios – the real problem was the failure in the basics. Even saying "no go away, we can't deal with this" would probably have been preferable to a month in limbo, followed by that vacuous motion, followed by a shrug and 'oh well'.--Elen of the Roads (talk) 17:04, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for reading such a lot at this busy time! Off site, there was actually also a lot of "Think of the media! Think of the scandal!" Appealing to my non-existent better nature. The motion was IMO absolutely terrible. Biased, anybody? I wish I'd had the darwinbish then, there was work for her. Bishonen | talk 21:03, 24 November 2010 (UTC).
 * Now that would have been something to see :) --Elen of the Roads (talk) 01:24, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

Mail
 Giacomo  01:45, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Right. Bed. Bishonen | talk 02:42, 1 December 2010 (UTC).
 * Can you (and any of our friends watching this) have a copy edit of this, and add cite tags to anything not obvious to the layman (I still have a few refs I've marked to find) or look for any POV (there may be a little); I want it in mainspace very quickly, finished a little huriedly perhaps, but still tells the sad tale. Thanks. Oh, and it needs a title, I still like "Exploding Houses", but Wikipedia never did have much of a sense of humour. Any ideas?  Giacomo   22:20, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I've copyedited up to and including Impoverished owners and a plethora of Country houses (not sure of the caps in "Country"), making only very minor changes in wording and punctuation. If the standard is acceptable, I'll have another attempt tomorrow. If you don't like it, it's easily reverted (and I won't be offended). I can't do more tonight, as it's freezing here, and cold-blooded dinosaurs need more warmth to function properly. --RexxS (talk) 23:40, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Title suggestion: "Britain's lost houses" – not catchy, but descriptive. --RexxS (talk) 23:54, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much Rex; they are beautiful copy edits please keep going. The trouble with using "lost" is that it sounds as though someone took them out for a walak and they just ran away. When you've done, i wil have a re-read and then probably shorten it a little. I'm not happy with the start immediatly after the lead, I'm not sure it's ven needed and there are a couple of other paras that could probably be "lost" too. Thanks for this.  Giacomo   07:48, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I've had a go too. The Caped Lurker81.129.133.146 (talk) 11:38, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
 * How about Destruction of country houses in 20th century Britain? If you leave it at "lost houses", it might get expanded to include earlier losses (I made a note about this topic on the talk page); it also doesn't emphasise that you are dealing only with country piles rather than for eg with the streets and streets of back-to-backs cleared in the post-WW2 period etc.81.129.133.146 (talk) 12:50, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

can you find me a ref for exploding
You like all that Jane Austen stuff, can you find me a ref for the Jane Austen bit in this "Exploding" para here It's the bit, you know, where they have gone for a nose and are poking about in his garden; he comes home and jumps in the lake and she falls in love because she realses how wet he is. How that woman ever got paid for such drivel I do not know; but anyhow can you give me a ref and page number, as it would make the page look educated and cultured. Thanks.  Giacomo  09:07, 3 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Pride and Prejudice, right. Sure, I'll look up the page ref and put it in, as soon as I get back from a few errands. I'm not sure which edition to use out of the vast assemblage I possess, but I'll pick something suitable. Maybe actually Project Gutenberg, so people can look it up online? It's not like it's got textual cruxes and stuff. The woman never did get paid for the drivel you kindly share; Darcy only jumps in the lake and gets wet in the movie, not the book. Bishonen | talk 12:19, 3 December 2010 (UTC).
 * I'd suggest using the Wikisource version. That way, it keeps it in the family, so to speak. – iridescent  12:24, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Hmm. Good idea, Ir. I suppose I was subconsciously avoiding it because I'm not sure how to properly refer to the sister projects. Does it need a futnut? Or can I just say
 * "In the early 19th century, Jane Austen records such a trip in chapter 43 of Pride and Prejudice, where Elizabeth and her aunt and uncle are given a guided tour of Mr Darcy's Pemberley by the housekeeper." ? (Check out the piped link, per Special:PermanentLink/391394354.) Bishonen | talk 18:32, 3 December 2010 (UTC).
 * Well you don't posibly expect me to read it do you? Far too many words and no pictures, besides which I always suspected that Mr D'arcy was a little too friendly with Mr Bingly – Ms Bennet was clearly cruising for a serious disapointment – such is life.  Giacomo   13:51, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I tried to imply that. See what you think. Bishonen | talk 18:32, 3 December 2010 (UTC).

Semi-protection of Oxford page
Hi B. Where do I go to ask that the Edward de Vere, 17th Earl of Oxford page be semi-protected so that only established users can edit it? It is regularly vandalised by the same person using different IPs. Tom Reedy (talk) 12:57, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
 * WP:RPP LessHeard vanU (talk) 14:05, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

teh ankle biters are cordially invited to Jack's talk page; they'll find the right thread, I'm sure
Cheers, <span style="background-color: #FAFAD2; background: -moz-radial-gradient(bottom right 90deg, farthest-side, #FFD700, #FAFAD2); display: inline-block; padding: 0.3em 1em 0.2em; border: 1px solid #BDB76B; box-shadow: 0.1em 0.1em 0.5em rgba(0,0,0,0.75); -moz-box-shadow: 0.1em 0.1em 0.5em rgba(0,0,0,0.75); -webkit-box-shadow: 0.1em 0.1em 0.5em rgba(0,0,0,0.75); border-radius: 1em; -moz-border-radius: 1em; -webkit-border-radius: 1em;">Gold Hat (talk) 00:37, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

Feminism in Sweden
My dearest litle Mrs Bishonen, I am here to cajole you out of your apathy and into activism, I was just browsing through the Financial Post (with my assetts, one has to be ever vigilent) when I came across this fascinating article about that dreadful Mr Wales' long suffering secretary – poor girl, I pity her, here; not only does she have to run the project single handedly, she has to write it too. Just what have you been doing with yourself, why is there no page on feminism in Sweden – do you not have a Frau Pankhurst in those glacial parts? I would write it myself, but I am lying low, first, dearest Giacomo said he would murder me if I posted during that silly election and now darlingest Jemima is on the phone wanting me to put up bail for some dreadful friend of hers who has got himself into trouble with the Swedes and Americans. It's not that I don't like the Swedes, dear, just I do go a little quiet when people want my money. Anyway my dear, to work! Your compatriotic sisters need you. Much love, as ever.... Lady Catherine Rollbacker-de Burgh (the Late) (talk) 21:39, 15 December 2010 (UTC)


 * I just received a letter from Dear Sue today thanking me for my five figure contribution (including the decimal places). Jehochman Talk 21:58, 15 December 2010 (UTC)


 * I thought ms Gardner was supposed to have started an article named Feminism in Sweden? It must have been speedied or something. Lady C, if the subject truly fascinates you, you might try the article about our political party Feminist Initiative (Sweden). Or our mrs Pankhurst, Elin Wägner. You contribute, Jonathan? I don't; I can never get over the feeling that the project ought if anything to contribute to me, much as mr Wales would no doubt like to see the last of me. Anyway, the bishsock admins alone represent a huge outlay in bribes, and are a pure work of charity. (Latest RFA of my progeny is here, go support HINT HINT. I surely don't have to pay you lot, too ?) Bishonen | talk 23:29, 15 December 2010 (UTC).

Ah the Wagners! What a lovely family, I knew them well when I was in Bavaria before the war – I really must get around to putting my rendition of the Ride of the Valkyrie on to disc—people are often completely taken aback when I perform it accompanying myself on the Bechstein. No dear, I am not that greatly concerned with the emancipation of Swedesses—all that saunering around in a state of undress, I'm sure they are quite emancipated enough. I just wondered why poor little Ms Gardiner was so fascinated. I am thinking of writing a page on Feminism in California, it’s far more important to recognise the sufferings of our sisters in the les pleasant areas, than pockets of civilisation like Sweden. And per Mr Hochman, I regret I have been unable to donate to Wikipedia as I do not trust “Paypal”, whoever he may be, and I find Mr Wales' preoccupation with money just a little vulgar. I can’t see why it costs so much money anyway, poor dear Giano (or even that Mr Rima) has never received a penny in royalties; so who is getting paid? That’s what I would like to know and for what? It’s certainly not for writing pages on Feminism in Sweden? No indeed! All this globetrotting arownd, if they want an international ambassadress, they need look no further than myself think of the impression my yacht steaming into port, flying the Wikipedia ensign, would have on the natives. All for a fraction of the present costs. Lady Catherine Rollbacker-de Burgh (the Late) (talk) 13:58, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I used to have some old fashioned media portraying Swedish feminism in the latter third of the 20th century, which I regretfully decided to have consigned to the archives some while ago. I would make it available to researchers who are able to appropriately able to display it in its correct format – I believe the terms are Standard8 and Super8 – except it would likely be Original Research and therefore unsuitable. The media is however likely to be in quite good condition, as the production house title noted they were the ultimate purveyors of hue and tone. LessHeard vanU (talk) 21:11, 16 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Delightful, now go support, Wikipedia needs more admins. Is there really such a thing as Standard8? I can display Super8 all right. With sound! Not up for any research, though. Bishonen | talk 22:01, 16 December 2010 (UTC).

Seasonal
Have a Cool Yule, Bish (and any other passers by who remember ancient history). Filiocht | The kettle's on 08:55, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Merry Christmas, Blarneyman! Bishonen | talk 09:59, 22 December 2010 (UTC).
 * Remember ancient history? Dino was there, making it. Merry Bishmas, Fil. --T-RexxS (talk) 16:40, 22 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Fröhliche Weihnachten and also 圣诞快乐 from Heim, too. Heimstern Läufer (talk) 02:56, 23 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Hello, salt! LessHeard vanU (talk) 13:46, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

From Nina Green
Bishonen, I'm not sure how to respond to a message on my Talk page, so I hope this is the way to do it.

Re your proposal. I'm not an unreasonable person, and frankly I have better things to do with my time than post on the SAQ Talk page. But with all due respect, I think you've misidentified the problem. The problem is Tom's stonewalling. I just posted this:


 * Nishidani, no goalposts are being moved, and no-one is being swept under the carpet, although there's definitely some stonewalling going on on your and Tom's part. As you mention above, I asked that you and Tom whittle the list down so that it didn't include sources more than a decade old and sources who aren't members of the Shakespeare establishment. Tom has stonewalled, and hasn't done anything. You've come up with Peter Milward, but haven't indicated whether that's the sole name left on the list as far as you're concerned. And so far neither of you has even identified the work by Milward which you're citing, nor produced the context of the citation so that it can be confirmed that Milward is endorsing that view and speaking for the Shakespeare establishment. I'm guessing that the quotation is perhaps from the chapter entitled "Catholic Shakespeare" in Milward's unpublished (and unfinished?) online autobiography, Genesis of an Octogenarian, but I have no way of confirming that, or of seeing the quotation in context, because the "Catholic Shakespeare" chapter can't be read online. There's a link to it through the Wikipedia article on Peter Milward, but the "Catholic Shakespeare" chapter appears in white type, and I can't find the quotation Tom has cited.NinaGreen (talk) 00:17, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

Thus, Tom posts an alleged list of sources which could be cited to support his claim that the current consensus among the Shakespeare establishment is that those who advocate an author other than William Shakespeare of Stratford are a 'lunatic fringe'. It turns out that virtually every single one of the alleged sources couldn't be cited in a Wikipedia article as a reliable source representing the current consensus of the Shakespeare establishment because the sources are either way too old to be representative of the current view of the Shakespeare establishment, or the sources aren't part of the Shakespeare establishment (which Tom deliberately disguised by calling them 'academics' in his list). So I ask Tom to whittle down his list to those who actually can be cited as reliable sources in the SAQ article as representing the Shakespeare establishment on that point, and Tom stonewalls and does nothing. It's been that way with every single significant issue I've raised. That's why the discussion has been so prolix. Tom always responds, but in the end, when the point goes against him, he just stonewalls and fades away, and nothing ever gets resolved, and since Tom controls every edit made to the page, no changes are ever made to the article.NinaGreen (talk) 00:32, 29 December 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks for answering. That's a perfectly good way of doing it; you can either reply on my page, as you did, or your own (below my post, in that case: just ordinary threaded discussion, as I'm doing here). Whichever you prefer. I don't have quite that impression of the recent discussion on the SAQ talkpage, but never mind about that; what I'm asking for is a reply to my question. Will you agree to the voluntary limitation I propose? Or not? Bishonen | talk 01:41, 29 December 2010 (UTC).
 * Ah, I had noted – but offered no suggestions – regarding length of commentary in my own (ironically extensive) views on the article talkpage. You might wish to look at them, as might I, in the light of the above. LessHeard vanU (talk) 13:04, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
 * And you might wish to note that Nina replies a little more extensively on her own page. Bishonen | talk 14:01, 29 December 2010 (UTC).

Merry New Year!
I hope this one is the best yet. Jehochman Talk 14:36, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
 * (Yeah yeah, how likely is that?) All the best, Jonathan! Bishonen | talk 15:43, 29 December 2010 (UTC).


 * Hiya, Bishonen. Nice to see you around.  I trust your holiday was jolly?  I know it's sort of like keeping track of a great-grandchild, but I see the evil little Darwinbish has stolen Mighty 'Zilla's RFA votes.  What a devious little thing Little Ankle Biter has turned out to be!  Anyway, hope you and the Bish-clan have a wonderful new year! Tex (talk) 15:14, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
 * She has stolen...? Oh noes! [/me runs to fix little monster's latest naughtiness. Recollects that she has no influence whatever on Darwinbish. Resigns herself. ] Oh well. Devious, yeah. All the best for the new year, Tex! Bishonen | talk 15:43, 29 December 2010 (UTC).

Do you have any idea...
... who Tom Moody is (or in the context of notability, was)? I fear that events in Australia are seriously effecting my psyche! LessHeard vanU (talk) 20:32, 29 December 2010 (UTC)
 * My association was to Mudie's, pronounced Moody's. Well, will you look at that, there's no article about Mudie's! It's just a redirect to a biostub about Charles Edward Mudie! If I was still interested in producing FAs (grumble grumble grumble), Mudie's Lending Library would be the perfect topic. It's very interesting and there's plenty of good recent material about it. Well, I can always do a nice crisp concise non-FA, when RL allows, if ever (mutter, mutter, mutter... fug it...). I can't believe nobody did yet! Oh, look, Mudie pre-ordered 500 copies of Darwinbish's Origin of Species ! ... What's that? A cricketer? ... Whatever. Bishonen | talk 21:26, 29 December 2010 (UTC).