User talk:Cirt/Archive 12

Virtualogy
Gotta ask...why was it relisted when the majority of editors voted "endorse deletion"?  Pur ple  back pack 89    05:45, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
 * So the community can have some additional time to discuss and assess notability. -- Cirt (talk) 06:00, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

Potals
Two things.


 * 1) Do you think that if I nominated Portal:Volcanoes for FP in its current state, it would pass?
 * 2) You should write a Featured Portal guide. You're the Portal deity after all, the rest of us wikipedians could really use it.

Cheers, Res Mar 17:53, 23 July 2010 (UTC)
 * 1) I like the style and layout of the portal, passing is up to the community, sorry. :P
 * 2) I would love to write such a guide, that is a good idea, perhaps for a later point in the future.
 * 3) You may wish to also consult about such matters – a very experienced portal contributor. :) -- Cirt (talk) 14:21, 24 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Special:Contributions/RichardF. I believe he is on wikibreak right now. But great, that's reassuring. Time to canvas project members :* Res Mar 14:46, 24 July 2010 (UTC)
 * You can also try emailing him, and also examining some of his featured portal contributions, or I would suggest some of mine too. -- Cirt (talk) 14:50, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

DYK help appreciated!
Say there Cirt, thanks for trying out an alt hook for me at my first DYK submission. As you may know I wound up going with an ALT 2, which seems to have passed initial muster. Your shorter version of the hook gave me a clue as to what to shoot for. I honestly don't know what happens next, so I'm standing by, but... it's surprisingly exciting! Distracts from vandal fighting though... ;D. Thanks again and see ya around, Jusdafax  20:25, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
 * No worries, and good luck. Cheers, -- Cirt (talk) 20:26, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

Brynjar Mar
Hi, I see that you closed Articles for deletion/BMV (singer), I just want to point out that Brynjar Mar was included in the same AfD and probably should have been deleted also. Thanks J04n(talk page) 21:12, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
 * ✅. -- Cirt (talk) 11:10, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

Articles_for_deletion/Opie_Winston
Hey Cirt, you closed this as delete back in May, but the article's been re-created and some IP has undone your close. Not being an admin, I can't see if it's speediable as a recreation of a deleted article. can you have a look? Cheers, Reyk  YO!  02:24, 26 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Alas, someone undid that close, so the debate appears to still be open. Sigh. Frank  |  talk  02:31, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
 * ✅. -- Cirt (talk) 11:10, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Jamie Sorrentini
 — Rlevse • Talk  • 12:03, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

Asking your support
The DYK for Daryl Wine Bar and Restaurant has been pulled by Fram pending resolution of the discussions about the article. I hope that you will support this delay, as it really is important that we get things right here.

It has been hinted that you may have some conflict of interest in writing this article. You removed the COI tag. I want my next question to be taken in the best possible way, and I ask with the utmost respect, primarily in the interest of giving you the opportunity to clarify this to the good, so please don't take it as an accusation but rather a necessary question of inquiry. Do you have a COI in writing this article? Do you know or have you spoken with any owner, chef, employee etc.? Are you a fan of the restaurant? Do you eat there? (I think these last two in particular do not give rise to a conflict of interest, but disclosure would help us all to understand why you wrote the article... a good thing!)

I think the problem many of us are having is that the article reads like an advertisement, which always sets off alarm bells, and that you nominated this unremarkable (but apparently quite good) local restaurant for front page publicity rings those bells even louder. I am not an advocate of the view "where there is smoke, there is fire". But "where there is smoke, someone better check if there's a fire" is valid.--Jimbo Wales (talk) 15:38, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
 * No to all above questions. -- Cirt (talk) 20:32, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I also note you have some references out of numerical order in that article ([7][2]). Please correct them before I suffer yet another relapse....  The Rambling Man (talk) 20:37, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Okay, will do. -- Cirt (talk) 20:38, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Much appreciated Cirt. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:42, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Reply to The Rambling Man: ✅. Cheers, -- Cirt (talk) 20:54, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

Hey Cirt, I'm doing well. I was (to say the least) a little bit shocked that Jimbo had to wade in here with some "mightier than thou" opinion on "smoke + fire = ???". I was sure he had better things to do with his time. Anyway, glad to help with the article, and the citation ordering is simply a bit of an OCD thing for me, I can't stand that out-of-order stuff. Perhaps I can get a grant or something... Anyway, keep up the good work, as ever. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:33, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I agree with your concern about that. And, thank you very much! -- Cirt (talk) 21:39, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Mightier than thou? Quite the contrary.  I took great pains here to make sure that nothing about my question could be perceived in that way.  Indeed, my point was precisely that "where there is smoke there is fire" is not valid.--Jimbo Wales (talk) 02:42, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
 * You'd have to ask The Rambling Man more specifically, but yes I share the general concern voiced by The Rambling Man, above. -- Cirt (talk) 03:14, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

Oh Come on, what the hell is up with this Daryl's article. Jimbo's real question is, why did you write this?--Milowent • talkblp-r 07:12, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your interest. To be a bit more specific, there was no paid editing involved with writing this article. -- Cirt (talk) 10:32, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Also, see this comment. -- Cirt (talk) 18:42, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

Articles for deletion nomination of Daryl Wine Bar and Restaurant
I have nominated Daryl Wine Bar and Restaurant, an article that you created, for deletion. I do not think that this article satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and have explained why at Articles for deletion/Daryl Wine Bar and Restaurant. Your opinions on the matter are welcome at that same discussion page; also, you are welcome to edit the article to address these concerns. Thank you for your time.Please contact me if you're unsure why you received this message. Off2riorob (talk) 20:58, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the notice. -- Cirt (talk) 03:52, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

Schlumberger Business Consulting
Cirt,

I've rewritten the article on SBC, and I posted the link to the "Ask for feedback" page. If you want to have a look and comment on it, I would be grateful. The link to the userspace draft is just below. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Axblt58/SBC This way, we may put this article back online

Axblt58 (talk) 15:35, 27 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Who is the "we" you refer to, above? -- Cirt (talk) 01:18, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

This "we" refers to I, with approval and feedback from various people. I couldn't put "I" because that would have sounded too peremptory. I couldn't put "you" either. Perhaps I could have used "This article can be put back online". Anyway sorry if there was any ambiguity, and thanks again for your feedback.

Axblt58 (talk) 07:27, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Not sure it is enough to satisfy WP:NOTE at this point in time. -- Cirt (talk) 13:26, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

James Baar Deletion
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Baar

I hope this is the right place to put this. I'm writing hoping you might reconsider your deletion of James Baar's bio.

Note: James Baar is a prolific published author. With regard to references (I thought the rule was you only needed one), his biography includes 7 books with their ISBN numbers. The deleted page also included a link to an article referencing him in the Providence Journal.

Also note: "But Wait there's More"

Lastly, note the page reference in Who’s Who and extensive references in O’Dwyer’s Directories.

I hope you reconsider.

Sincerely,

Brian Connolly bconnolly@furthermore.com Bdconnolly (talk)
 * ✅, relisted, Deletion review/Log/2010 July 28. -- Cirt (talk) 13:28, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

please bring back Chad Lewis Paranormal Investigator
Hi Cirt,

I am a UW-Eau Claire college student who is studying the parapsychology. I am doing a report on Mr. Lewis for my psychology project. Being that I did contribute some of the page after I saw a Mr. Lewis lecture I am saddened to see it deleted.

I did read the deletion file and found that some of the information was inaccurate including the fact that Mr. Lewis was on Coast to Coast three times.

I also saw on his website there are hundreds of newspaper articles containing his work. And a quick glance shows he is speaking nearly 100 times a year at universities and libraries. A ccording to his bio he was also featured on the Discovery Channel’s A Haunting and ABC’s World’s Scariest Places.

Here is WI we view Mr. Lewis as a well-known world traveler and investigator. I believe that not only did he publish his own books, but he started his own publishing company with another gentleman and they currently have published several other authors.

As you can tell my report on him is getting pretty detailed, and I would love to see his page get reinstated. I would even be willing to add the necessary citations that may have been lacking.

If you have any questions please feel free to email me. Thanks for your time. Jack Oneil jackoneiloil@yahoo.com —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pat evens (talk • contribs) 00:32, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
 * If you wish, I could provide a copy of the article in your userspace, so you could work on a proposed draft version, in order to assess WP:NOTE. -- Cirt (talk) 13:30, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

Deletion of NX Nastran Page
I would like to help get the NX Nastran page in shape so that it meets all of the notability requirements and avoids the advertising issues for which it was deleted. To be clear (as it says on my user page) I am employed by Siemens so I am not going to recreate the page directly. I see two possible paths to get a better page created:


 * create one in my userspace and then get someone (who?) to look at it and create the page from it


 * contact the users who felt the page was valuable when it was being considered for deletion and see if they are interested in starting a new page (if this is preferred can you provide me with their user pages so I can contact them as I can't seem to get to the discussion page for deletion anymore).

Can you advise on which approach is preferred or if there is another that I didn't consider? Thanks in advance.Aakelley (talk) 18:56, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Good idea, feel free to work on a proposed draft version within a subpage of your userspace, in order to assess WP:NOTE. -- Cirt (talk) 13:33, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

Dubai property BLP issues
An account  (also under investigation at English Wikinews) has re-created previously deleted articles: Could you take a look please?
 * Shahram Abdullah Zadeh
 * Al Fajer Group

--InfantGorilla (talk) 11:36, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
 * One was deleted, sent the other one to AFD for community to assess. -- Cirt (talk) 13:32, 30 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks. --InfantGorilla (talk) 14:17, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

Your comment on my Talk Page
Cirt, I think we both know that the only reason you showed up on my talk page complaining about unsourced BLP information being added to an article within about two minutes of me adding it, and while I was still editing, is that it is pertinent to an [ongoing AfD discussion]. I am sure what you would normally do is ask for a reference of help find one, as the information is uncontroversial and clearly true. Now that I am done editing you will find a reference in the body of the article. The reference is to the restaurant's own website, which clearly meets WP:SELFPUB criteria for information of this kind.[User:KD Tries Again|KD Tries Again] (talk) 17:24, 30 July 2010 (UTC)KD Tries Again
 * I started a section at the article talk page to discuss it, at Talk:Daryl Wine Bar and Restaurant. -- Cirt (talk) 17:25, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Cirt, this is most unlike you as far as I know. The restaurant has obviously changed chefs.  Their website says so, their Facebook page says so.  Nothing to be done about that.  I have now used their Facebook page as the reference, which passes WP:SELFPUB for information of this kind.KD Tries Again (talk) 17:46, 30 July 2010 (UTC)KD Tries Again
 * Responded, at the article's talk page. -- Cirt (talk) 17:49, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Cirt, with all due respect, the way in which WP:V are interpreted by the community can't make it the case that Charles Howlett is not the chef at Daryl. Either he is or he isn't, and the owners of the restaurant clearly think he is.KD Tries Again (talk) 18:38, 30 July 2010 (UTC)KD Tries Again
 * The standard on Wikipedia is verifiability WP:V to reliable sources WP:RS. -- Cirt (talk) 18:39, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
 * We both know that. But it's not a good reason to try to keep information which is both true and uncontroversial out of the article.  The Facebook page might be the best available reference for information which clearly improves the article.  It seems perverse to be going out of our way to preserve the information about Hernandez which is clearly out of date.KD Tries Again (talk) 18:48, 30 July 2010 (UTC)KD Tries Again
 * Cirt, taking KD Tries Again to AN/I over this issue was massive overkill. Dragging someone to the dramahboard over a simple content dispute like this is not good practice, and you should know better. You need to get some perspective. Fences  &amp;  Windows  12:35, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
 * @Fences and windows, yes you are right. Understood. I am sorry about that. I will take your advice into consideration in the future. Thank you for your input. -- Cirt (talk) 14:36, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

WP:CANVASS
Cirt the comments you left to User:GRuban and User:Morenooso violate WP:CANVASS on this points specifically regarding unacceptable behavior -- "Posting messages to groups of users selected on the basis of their known opinions – for example, sending notifications only to those who supported a particular viewpoint in a previous discussion, or who state on their user page (e.g. through a userbox or user category) that they hold a particular opinion ("votestacking")". Please do not try to influence the discussion in this way in the future. I hope both of those users realize that if they now do comment your canvass has been successful. Hopefully your warning to them prevents them from doing so.Griswaldo (talk) 17:32, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you for acknowledging that: 1) I posted to a total of two (2) users. 2) I commented to them stating I am not asking them to comment at WP:RSN. Cheers, -- Cirt (talk) 17:33, 30 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Comment - If anyone is over reacting it's Griswaldo. I didn't appreciate his visit to my talkpage aa I participated in the AfD. In fact, as per a post to another admin's page, I saw Cirt's post on his my talkpage and thought about them on my way to an appointment and over lunch as I fully intended to reply here. I'm a big boy and can make up my own mind. moreno oso (talk) 18:28, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you. -- Cirt (talk) 18:30, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Moreno no one thinks your not a big boy who can make up your own mind. But how does that change the fact that Cirt violated WP:CANVASS?  Your decision to comment at the RS/N or not to comment at the RS/N is yours to make with no reflection on you.  No one disputes this.  That decision also does not alter the fact that Cirt canvassed you.  If you chose not to comment it might lessen the effects of Cirt's canvass, which is better for him (hence my previous comment), but in the end he did what he did.  There is no changing that either way, so yeah you're right.  Comment away.Griswaldo (talk) 18:56, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Wrongo all the way. moreno oso (talk) 19:04, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Daryl Wine Bar and Restaurant
Cirt, normally I don't come off my talkpage when someone posts there but I did not want you to miss what I am going to post here and I wanted you to see it as soon as possible. As per my post above, I saw your posts on my talkpage as I was leaving to an appointment and thought about them at lunch. I will now post my most salient thoughts here.

Without looking at the AfD, I am now going to address those points with and on my honor:


 * 1) Re the New York Times and being regional: this is a common comment here on Wikipedia. Depending on whose axe is being gorged, it can either be positive or negative. Like the LA Times, SF Chronicle and even the Sacramento Bee, which are all papers I am familiar with, their media footprint is huge and overlaps many media markets/cities/counties. In fact, the LA Times specifically has copies for different counties and both it and the Chronicle are easily found in the Sacramento Valley region. The Bee is more a player in the Central Valley (California). How this plays into the AfD is that geographically NY and NY are contigous and some editors might feel that the NY Times regularly covers NJ events, news and even restaurants.
 * 2) I came to the AfD because of a post on Jimbo's talkpage. I follow and protect the page. Quite honestly I was amazed to see a restaurant getting ripped at an AfD like this. There is no way Daryl Wine Bar and Restaurant is a promotional piece. It is no different than any other article that has WP:RS citations backing the article. While WP:OTHERSTUFF applies, I bet Spago's article would never be considered promotional. Ditto for any fine restaurant. And, if Carls Jr etal can be here, who do you cut out?
 * 3) Another thing that disturbed me at the AfD was Jimbo's comment about religion. Typically he is the first one to dismiss a comment like that when it appears inre a complaint on his talkpage. If he felt the editor in question (I think it was you) had a COI, he should have addressed the issue here and not in the debate.
 * 4) One of the better comments in the AfD countered the comment that reviews were not like papers or journals commenting on scholars. The next editor rebuffed that saying reviews were just as WP:RS reliable press. A reporter is reporter and it doesn't matter what beat or section it covers. In a pinch like the Loma Prieta earthquake here in California one of the local California grocer talkboys had a mike and camera making onsite reports. Was his reporting any less efficient or dismissed? No. Now, it would be another matter to have a paid reviewer or someone given a free lunch by a restaurant to have that review dismissed. Any decent newspaper with editorial oversight is not going to let a promotional piece fly in the daily rag either.
 * 5) What this  AfD will come down to is not the iVotes but who best cites policy in making the case for Keep or Delete. Horatio at the bridge comments or posts will not aid either side. I'd recommend well thought comments/replies and even wrote down mine that I will make later. First, they should be copyeditted, then copyeditted again and then boiled down to the most concise salient post that cites policy.
 * 6) There is another policy that applies to debates where consensus is difficult to achieve or that is not apparent. I made it about a month ago in an AfD and need to look it up again as my mind is on some event's I have going on this weekend and court duty next week.
 * 7) Finally, I thank you for coming to my talkpage. I had actually thought about some of these points earlier. I wondered to myself who would be the best person to make the points available to the debate. On the one issue with Jimbo, if you have his email, I would send him one about that. It was totally uncalled for. I know there is relatively no privacy on any private talkpage much less an article talkpage but AfD debates are not the place for potential WP:NPA remarks. moreno oso (talk) 19:10, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm not 100% sure what Moreno oso is referring to here, about me making a comment about religion. I didn't make any comment about religion.  I did note, and I do think it is relevant, that this restaurant has a connection to Scientology, and Scientology *as a subject matter* is one that Cirt has taken a keen interest in.  I think that's highly relevant to understanding the reason why we have an article about a completely non-notable completely ordinary wine bar and restaurant.  That isn't a comment about religion - it's a comment about areas of interest in editing.--Jimbo Wales (talk) 19:16, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I just saw Jimbo's post here and may owe you a slight apology. I just referred back to the AfD. You made the Scientology comment twice. One in rebuffing another editor's Delete iVote. I had not noticed that one as it is slightly buried. BUT, in the one that did catch my attention was your Delete iVote, Jimbo. Your words seem to condemn the original creator as well Cirt. moreno oso (talk) 19:33, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
 * BTW Jimbo, the relationship of Scientology and the restaurant is ad hominem reasoning. It would be one thing to perhaps cite it inre the debate but to connect to two editors in the iVote Delete comments is over-reaching. That would be like citing me for editting bear articles. Yeah, my chosen username means bear and I have an affinity for bears due to a flame in my life but it's a real stretch. moreno oso (talk) 19:43, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Agree with above comments, by . -- Cirt (talk) 23:13, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
 * DGG just copyeditted the article and probably made the best argument/policy citations in the AfD. With the copyedit, he removed any hint of what could be considered promotional items/edits and rebuked all the salient points of WP:GNG, WP:N and the regional/award debate items. moreno oso (talk) 04:33, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the update. ;) -- Cirt (talk) 21:27, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

please restore Octavian Hart Page
please restore wiki page of Octavian Hart, MuscleMania pro - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Octavian_HART (Mihai Dragomirescu &#91;Bob&#93; (talk) 09:04, 1 August 2010 (UTC))
 * I would suggest working on a proposed draft version, within a subpage of your userspace. -- Cirt (talk) 21:27, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

Article nominated for deletion Al Fajer Group
Can you please also take a view to this multimedia file:



file uploaded by a user dubaiguy1

This image can be found also on:

Blog

This Blog is a identity theft from a Blog

the user dubaiguy1 name this file "own work". The named Blog was named also as reference by a user Web2010 who edited the article Al Fajer Group and former sites " Shahram Abdullah Zadeh"

The image is the same like used by Al Fajer Properties themselve for an announcement in Gulf News on April 28, 2008. It can be found uploaded to scribd by a user there.

As quoted by the user dubaiguy1 as own work, in original used by Al Fajer Properties for this announcement in Gulf News in black and white, it can be assumed that this file is not a scan from the picture used by Al Fajer Properties Annpuncement in Gulf News. But it can be assume that the original picture is in colours like used now - but comes from Al Fajer Properties directly.

Also uploaded before was a Logo from Al Fajer, quoted also as "own work"( already delted by assumed copyright misuses) in Wikipedia and before place on this site " Al Fajer Group". Several new Usernames have been created in the same timeframe for this actions. Eventually the sites " Al Fajer Group" and the former already deletd sites " Al Fajer Properties" "Shahram Abdullah Zahdeh", "shahram Zadeh" and others ( all created in the same time frame - created on Wikipedia with different user names) for self promotion directly initiated from Al Fajer ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Equinox555 (talk • contribs) 14:40, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Deleted image, and blocked user at Commons. For the rest, please file request for investigation, at WP:SPI. -- Cirt (talk) 21:25, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

Return of a Removed Article--Universal Ranking System
I apologize for posting to such a public locattion. I was unable to find a means to address this matter in private.

I am quite upset that an entry I had posted was removed. At the least, it should have been put into Wikipedia "limbo" for six months. This would have allowed a chance to respond.

I have been with out a computer for nearly four months and have recently recovered a portion of the data I had thought lost. Why so long? Well, a limited budget has little room, so I had to save to have the repairs. When I was able to start dowloading email, I had nearly 10,000 to go through. After separating out the e-junk, I had 3964 emails remaining. I have filtered through those looking for any email related to my article/entry. I can't find anything related to it. I have trouble believing that no-one thought to have me contacted or contact me themselves. Would they have been the people telling Columbus that he would fall off the Earth when he sailed past the horizon? Not all information is available over the internet. There are vast amounts that can't be googled.

Why would I need to post an entry about myself? I was under the impression that Wikipedia frowned upon such matters. It does not promote self-aggrandisements. If necessary, I will post an entry relaying information about myself and how it relates to the Universal Ranking System.

Since the article was deleted without any communication to me, I am requesting that it be returned so that I can add the information I never had the opportunity to add due to computer crash. If required, I will add an article about myself.

I would like to suggest that in the future, please move articles into "limbo" for 6 months AND contact the contributer (maybe once or twice per month). After which, they could recover the data (up to 3 months later) and contribute again, if they wish.

Additionally, I suggest that any requests for deletions be compared. If they have used the same or nearly the same method, then logically, they would receive the same answer. Those should count as only one deletion request. However,  attempts to contact would count as a second and no response to Wikipedia, for six months, would count as the third.

As mentioned above, wikipedia "limbo" would be an appropiate locations for any articles of question. Articles tagged for deletion or review would remain accessible to the contributer but not to the general public. After the prescribed time, the article would be removed from limbo and the contributor could request the information to be returned. At which time, it would be permanently deleted.

Again, I asking for my article return to active status so that I may add the data I never had the opportunity to add due to computer crash. If required, I will add an article about myself.

If you have any questions, please contact me. I will answer here or in private emails, at your request.

Lionhardht (talk) 19:49, 1 August 2010 (UTC) Rob Morris
 * I would suggest working on a proposed draft version, within a subpage of your userspace. -- Cirt (talk) 21:27, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

Request for input
I would welcome any comments from you, or other interested parties, regarding the proposal at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Wikipedia Books. I think the idea might take off a bit quicker if there were firmer guidelines for what should and maybe shouldn't be included in such books. John Carter (talk) 19:58, 1 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Will first read up on this, have not delved too deeply into this aspect of the application. -- Cirt (talk) 03:40, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

Three Laws of Robotics
Hi

I noticed that you were involved in the Featured article review/Three Laws of Robotics/archive1 and wondered if you could elaborate on one point you made to help me perhaps address it.

You said that it was missing a "Subsection on secondary source commentary and critique..." and "...no secondary source analysis presented"

There are quite a few sections that contain secondary source comments on the laws and many that mention ammendments as problems were discovered which meant more laws had to be added.

How do you suggest I write a sub section to address your concerns on that issue?

Chaosdruid (talk) 02:12, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
 * You could begin by starting a subsection on the talk page to discuss the issue, and then posting to relevant WikiProject talkpages asking for some input about ideas for improvement. -- Cirt (talk) 21:29, 2 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks for that; I will start on that next. However I will try and reword the question - How would we write that section to address your concerns - For example: as there is a lot of material already in the other sections would a synopsis and extra points be acceptable
 * Is there a similar article you can point me to that would illustrate this particular problem and help guide us to a solution ?
 * Thanks Chaosdruid (talk) 02:17, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Hrm, perhaps you could take a look at other related and more recent WP:FAs within the same subject matter, literature, science, science fiction, etc. -- Cirt (talk) 02:52, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Ahh well - I had already looked, and have looked again, through the long lists on Featured articles. Major problem is that I cannot find anything that seems to fit the bill for comparison. I did look at several though such as Imagism, Ormulum and The Illuminatus! Trilogy as well as finding one with a criticism section Poetry (although it is just a list of books). I just assumed that as you mentioned it you must have already dealt with a similar situation. I suppose it can wait until the other matters are sorted out.
 * Chaosdruid (talk) 05:15, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

The NFM Network
Hi Cirt. Since I can't view deleted pages I'd like you to take a look at The NFM Radio Network by which is obviously concerning the same subject as The NFM Network which you deleted after discussion. It may well be identical to the last page but just to be safe I'd like you to be the one who decides since you can look at the deleted page as an admin and decide whether it should still be deleted or not. Thanks. Jay-Sebastos (talk) 08:50, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Deleted it. -- Cirt (talk) 21:30, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

Quidco article
Dear Cirt, am I right in thinking that you were the administrator who deleted the Quidco page in June this year? If that's right, I was wondering what the Wikipedia policy was on reinstating pages; the last version of the page (which I believe was created 2 or 3 months before the article was deleted) was a good, fact-based explanation of the Quidco service, and was a massive improvement on the blatant advertising style of the previous version. Is it possible to reinstate the last version, or would that contravene Wikipedia deletion policy? Many thanks.

Stuartcoggins (talk) 11:20, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I would suggest working on a proposed draft version, within a subpage of your userspace. -- Cirt (talk) 21:26, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

Shotgun house
Cirt, YellowMonkey has nominated Shotgun house for featured article review. Apparently, there are no citations to improve the article. Could you go to the article and review it? Thanks. --JJ98 (talk) 23:52, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
 * By the way, I asked Jj98 there what he/she means by "there are no citations to improve the article", as that phrase has already been used. I would appreciate if someone could explain what is meant.  There are no citations anywhere?  No citattions have been added?  More citations (of what?) are needed? --doncram (talk) 01:30, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
 * This is best addressed at the FAR subpage itself. -- Cirt (talk) 02:51, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

Richard A. Barone page deletion
I received notice through that the abnove page was deleted. However, there was no notification as to why. I added references, additonal history, links to articles where he is specifically mentioned. I don't think it is fair that it is deleted without a specific reason why. It just says deleted and your user name. How can someone get to the national level of exposure that you require if they can not be discussed and reviewed in a media format such as Wikipedia?

Susan Johnson Ancora (talk) 12:44, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Deletion discussion from WP:AFD process, was at Articles for deletion/Richard A. Barone. -- Cirt (talk) 16:04, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

Barnstar

 * Thank you. -- Cirt (talk) 17:05, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

DYK Help
I am editing this article and have added more substance[], would you please help me get it to a point where we can do a DYK? Hell In A Bucket (talk) 17:14, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

Review deletion of Teach For Us
I'd like to request a review of deletion of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teach_For_Us

In the deletion notes, there is concern about the following pieces of information:


 * nonprofit corporation status: commented on site at http://teachforus.org/about; public records available https://www.sos.mo.gov/BusinessEntity/soskb/Corp.asp?2965882
 * mention in LA Times: the Times blog was pulled when the author left, but a screen capture is available http://theblog.teachforus.org/2007/01/21/featured-by-the-la-times/ showing the featured coverage
 * Outside validation: look on the front page of Teach For America public site (the topic of the blog network) which features Teach For Us on the bottom of as an independent source of information

I don't know how to communicate about these issues if there is a better way, so please excuse my use of this forum.

Ageller (talk) 12:43, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Perhaps you could work on a proposed draft version, within a subpage of your userspace. -- Cirt (talk) 14:37, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Is there a way to access the previous version so as not to have to recreate it? Ageller (talk) 20:18, 31 July 2010 (UTC)
 * ✅, now at User:Ageller/Teach For Us. -- Cirt (talk) 21:28, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for restoring. I've updated the page with more references, updated the reference notations, and reorganized the content. Do you think there is anything else that needs to be updated before we'd be good to go? Ageller (talk) 18:37, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Would be helpful to fully flesh out all of the references, using formatting from WP:CIT. -- Cirt (talk) 21:44, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Never had learned about citing before. Thanks for pushing me to learn. The references are now in the cite web formatting. Ageller (talk) 13:45, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Please fill out all the fields in the cite templates. Author? Date? Source? Publisher? Etc. -- Cirt (talk) 15:43, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
 * ✅ Filled in the publisher, dates, authors, etc for all references as were available. Hopefully this is ok. Ageller (talk) 20:28, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

The bulleted Media Coverage subsection is a bit awkward, might be best to discuss that with some folks at the talk page. -- Cirt (talk) 23:53, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Sorry to need explicit pointers to everything. Can you tell me where that is? Once I know that, I will start a conversation with the folks on that page on ways to potentially improve that section. Ageller (talk) 12:12, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

Deletion review for Bonnie Bailey
An editor has asked for a deletion review of Bonnie Bailey. Because you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedily deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review. DMacks (talk) 19:06, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for notification, subpage at Deletion review/Log/2010 August 4. -- Cirt (talk) 21:24, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

Barnstar Awarded!

 * Thank you very much! -- Cirt (talk) 15:43, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

Michael E. Mann
FYI, this topic area is about to be affected by an arbitration decision which is due imminently. A number of other articles which have been the subject of edit wars have been protected for a month (i.e. to late August/early September) to ensure there's no further conflict while the arbitration is ongoing. You might want to consider extending the protection of Michael E. Mann accordingly. -- ChrisO (talk) 07:00, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

I've puzzled as to why you protected Michael E. Mann. Apart from some User:Scibaby stuff, nothing exciting seems to be going on there William M. Connolley (talk) 07:54, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
 * It's probably for the best, William - did you see that ATren has effectively announced he's going on a suicide run in the topic area? I think we could do without further drama until the ArbCom has ruled. -- ChrisO (talk) 08:08, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Would prefer to leave the protection at present, and reevaluate after current protection level expires. Will of course welcome input from other previously-uninvolved-admins. -- Cirt (talk) 15:45, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I too was a bit surprised to see this, but I suppose it is your call. I don't think I would have made that protection though. NW ( Talk ) 19:23, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Nod, and that is okay to have a difference of opinion. But I would have no objection to another previously-uninvolved admin changing it. :) Cheers, -- Cirt (talk) 19:26, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Totally understand. :) Best, NW ( Talk ) 19:57, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Alright, thank you very much. :) -- Cirt (talk) 20:00, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

FYI
FYI. – xeno <sup style="color:black;">talk 16:45, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks! -- Cirt (talk) 17:00, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

Assessment for an article
Would you be up to making an assessment for the Northern Rocky Mountain Wolf article, in order to determine its current class? I posted a request for this on Wikiproject Dogs, but haven't heard anything back from them, so... Silver seren C 01:14, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
 * ✅. -- Cirt (talk) 02:45, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
 * So, what needs to be done to get it to B? Silver  seren C 02:54, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
 * The lede could be expanded a bit more, there are a bunch of short paragraphs and one or two sentence long paragraphs and short subsections, would be nice to have a free-use image or two or three or four, and otherwise for more specific stuff, might have to consult someone more familiar with the sub-type subject area. That could be fodder for a peer review. Cheers, -- Cirt (talk) 02:57, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I'll see what I can do in terms of lengthening a few of the sections. As for the image thing, I did put up an image request template on the talk page. There just hasn't been any response so far. And a peer review sounds like a good idea, I might have to do that. Thanks for all the help! Silver  seren C 03:05, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
 * No worries, -- Cirt (talk) 03:11, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

Here's your reminder
You said to remind you if you didn't close Wikipedia:Featured portal candidates/Portal:Speculative fiction within a week, and we're at 10 days now. Thanks! :) ··· 日本穣 ? · 投稿  · Talk to Nihonjoe ·  Join WikiProject Japan ! 05:36, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you. -- Cirt (talk) 05:37, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
 * No problem. I just added another bio to it, as well as expanding more anniversary dates, too. :) ··· 日本穣 ? · 投稿  · Talk to Nihonjoe ·  Join WikiProject Japan ! 05:40, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Okay, sounds good. -- Cirt (talk) 05:41, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

Azad (rapper)
Can I ask you to reconsider your close and deletion. I was a little slow in my attempted contribution which I'll post here.


 * Keep, charted. lists 8. Azad Game Over.  has Die Top Ten der Single-Charts in Deutschland in der Woche34 listing 1 AZAD FEAT. ADEL TAWIL(Universal) - Prison Break Anthem.  says " The fastest mover on the Eurochart is Azad's "Prison Break Anthem" (Urban), which rises 22-11 after a 6-3 climb in Germany. Azad is a rapper from the Kurdistan province of Iran, now based in Frankfurt."  has Billboard's European Charts. Released August 16, 2007. Listing in Hot Singles in Europe 8. "Prison Break Anthem," Azad. Urban. German language sources include: ; . duffbeerforme (talk) 12:43, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
 * ✅, relisted, restored, back at AFD. -- Cirt (talk) 17:32, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

Light Horse Tavern Chef
Same problem as at the Daryl page: the chef has changed again. As a New York-based restaurant writer, I strongly encourage you not to rely on reviews or other press coverage a year or more old to support statements about restaurant personnel. Chefs and other personnel change with extraordinary frequency. Unfortunately, reliable sources lag behind, but the reference to Costas can no longer be supported. (Personally I think articles such as this require constant monitoring to maintain accuracy, but the current consensus seems to be that we should have them.)KD Tries Again (talk) 19:20, 8 August 2010 (UTC)KD Tries Again

Teach For Us has been moved into mainspace by me.
I have removed all sections that hint of advertising from the article. You are welcome to review my actions via my talk page.  ☭ Fr yP od  14:08, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the notice. -- Cirt (talk) 17:30, 6 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Hi Cirt. Not sure what happened. The page went live, and now it's down again. I'm putting a note to the editor (MuZemike) who took it down, but I was hoping you could comment there to verify that I'd been working with you to improve the page (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:MuZemike#Question_on_Teach_For_Us). I don't know the other user in questoin (Frypod) who was apparently not supposed to be editing. I'm feeling caught in the middle of something that's unrelated to the work we did to improve the page. Thanks for your help. Ageller (talk) 01:07, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Was not familiar with that aspect, so will defer to judgment of about that. -- Cirt (talk) 18:44, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

Sphere Studios
Hi, I'd like to request the reinstatement of the Sphere Studios page. We're still very much alive and working in an ever contracting industry. As one of the few studios working with "session orchestras" we represent a small band of spaces where musicians congregate to play and be recorded. This week we have Mark Ronson and Duran Duran, Must be the Music ( UK Sky TV prime time show), Andrew Lloyd Webber and Midsomer Murders all in recording at the studios. We've just completed the new album for The Script and are scheduled to begin recording X Factor at the end of next month.

Thanks for considering. Simon Bohannon, Sphere Studios 90.192.126.200 (talk) 08:30, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Suggest you register an account, then, you could work on a proposed draft version, within a subpage of your userspace. -- Cirt (talk) 18:44, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

Deletion of The Cheng Hsin Page
Hi there, The wiki page Cheng Hsin page has recently been deleted. The publishing company was deemed not noteworthy in my understanding. However Frog Ltd. is a subset of Random House does that give it notability? Some feedback would be apprecitaed.

B —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.134.25.167 (talk) 19:35, 8 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Suggest you register an account, then, you could work on a proposed draft version, within a subpage of your userspace. -- Cirt (talk) 18:45, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

Your assistance please
I request your assistance with three files you deleted, following their afd. Could you please userify these three files, their full revision history, their talk pages, as below?

Thanks Geo Swan (talk) 04:46, 9 August 2010 (UTC)


 * ✅. Please clean up the pages for use in userspace, and remove relevant article-space coding and templates. In the future, please make a note at the AFD, if you intend to request userficiation, with bolded note of Userfy. Thank you in advance for taking care to do this in future AFD discussions. Cheers, -- Cirt (talk) 18:50, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

FUTURE TRANCE
Dude!?!?!?!??! what f*** is wrong with you why the f*** did you deleted the future trance article what was even the reason for that (man i hate that kind of people) :@ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.77.101.179 (talk) 09:20, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Was deleted after deletion discussion, at Articles for deletion/Future Trance. -- Cirt (talk) 18:46, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

Codex Vaticanus GA review
Hi,

I notice you've mentioned on Talk:Codex Vaticanus/GA2 that you intend to review the article, but that was back in the beginning of June and the article is not listed as being under review on WP:GAN. What is the status of this review, and do you still plan to review it? --Xover (talk) 15:52, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, will get to it soon, per my most recent comment as you can see, at the GA Review subpage. -- Cirt (talk) 18:47, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Ah, just to clarify; I have no particular stake in the article (never edited it); I was just looking around WP:GAN for something at least marginally related to my areas of expertise to review and noticed that Codex Vaticanus had a review page that had been open for near two months even though its status at GAN doesn't reflect that. My query was just a check on the status because I worried other potential reviewers were likely to hold off rather than step in on an existing review. If you should feel nagged at—as I see my above message could be taken as :-)—I apologize; I know you probably have plenty of other irons in the fire. Anyways, my single goal was a quick check of its status. My apologies for wasting your time. --Xover (talk) 06:47, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

Your support
You supported a decision before I even had a chance to defend myself or before It was made clear what wrong I had done. This is not only shocking to me but seems to be most inappropriate for any admin who professes neutrality and fairness as I would assume you do. Your action is unfair beyond belief.(olive (talk) 19:24, 9 August 2010 (UTC))
 * Please read this comment by the admin that imposed the Arbitration Enforcement. -- Cirt (talk) 19:26, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
 * The comment changes nothing. The action was unfair. I see that the whole thing has been packed up and stowed away within hours. I'm sorry you didn't feel you could speak for yourself.(olive (talk) 19:50, 9 August 2010 (UTC))

GAN
Can you review A hero sits next door. -- Pedro J. the rookie 20:09, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I will try to take a look at it if I get a chance. -- Cirt (talk) 01:24, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

Deletion of Colocation America page
Hi Cirt,

I was wondering if you could help me create a more neutral article for Colocation America. I have put something together and was wondering if you would mind taking a look at it and giving me some edits? It's on my talk page. Thanks so much, I'm pretty new at this so it might take me a few tries :) Em.Rosenberg (talk) 23:28, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Needs more reliable secondary sources independent of the subject. -- Cirt (talk) 01:25, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for closing this AfD
Thanks. And kind regards.  ♪ ♫ Wifione ♫ ♪    <sub style="font-size: 60%">―Œ <sup style="margin-left:-3ex"> ♣Łeave Ξ мessage♣  17:23, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
 * You are welcome, -- Cirt (talk) 19:56, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

Comment from User Jg3arrow
I'm not sure how you have determined that I was trying to add "spam" to Wikipedia pages. I have been a contributor to Wikipedia almost since the beginning. When I see content that is incomplete, and I feel I can add something relevant and factual, I do so. As I have always done. I have never posted anything untruthful, or anything that has made me, or has been intended to make me, any money. I correct errors when I see them. Since I am a regular, long-time contributor to The New York Times, I feel my knowledge and experience in a wide array of subjects is an asset to Wikipedia. And that's why I contribute. A large number of Wikipedia articles cite my work, my facts and my sources - and most of those citations were put there by others, not just me. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jg3arrow (talk • contribs) 20:39, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
 * It is spam, promotional, and specifically, WP:LINKSPAM and conflict of interest in nature. -- Cirt (talk) 20:34, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

Jesse/Cy Waits deletion
Hello Cirt. You recently deleted Jesse Waits' and Cy Waits' page on the grounds of questionable notability. I have found a similar article that has been marked as being within the scope of the WikiProject Biography standards. Noel Ashman is also a nightclub owner. If I mirror this page would I be on the right track to getting my article to remain published. Thank you. (Jpjpstar (talk) 03:41, 11 August 2010 (UTC)).
 * Might be a good idea to raise this question, at the talk page of that wikiproject you mentioned. However, also see WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. -- Cirt (talk) 20:32, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

Shante Broadus listed at Redirects for discussion
An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Shante Broadus. Since you had some involvement with the Shante Broadus redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion (if you have not already done so). Erpert (let's talk about it) 07:48, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Will defer to community consensus, at that discussion. -- Cirt (talk) 20:30, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

Portal:Buddhism
Hi. Not sure if you're still into this, but there's been a pile of new GAs usable for the selected articles. Mostly new temples by Nvvchar  YellowMonkey  ( new photo poll )  09:13, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Would be helpful for someone to list those as suggestions for additions, at the portal's main talk page. -- Cirt (talk) 20:29, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

Ken Buck
Two months ago, you closed an AfD on this article and deleted it; it was later recreated and I speedied it and SALTed the page, since it was then on its third iteration. Another administrator, User:RegentsPark, today found a request that the page be unprotected and did so; the article has now been recreated. (Material on RegentsPark's talk page may be of relevance.) My feeling is that it still doesn't meet WP:POLITICIAN, and I think that deletion review is appropriate; I note that electioneering was mentioned in the course of the AfD and I think the same thing is happening again. However, I wanted to consult you, as the admin who closed an AfD to which I didn't contribute, and get your opinion. May I trouble you to comment, please? Accounting4Taste: talk 20:20, 11 August 2010 (UTC)
 * You could consider filing a new nom for WP:AFD on this page, for the community to discuss it in more depth, again. -- Cirt (talk) 20:28, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

Advice sought about edits that have been made to an article
Hello, Cirt. I have become familiar with your work on Wikipedia and you seemed to be a good person for me to turn to for advice. I noticed that the article for David Campbell (composer) had been heavily edited recently by someone with the username Kanebell Assistant. That piqued my curiosity because I know that Campbell's wife's name is Raven Kane. I looked at what's been done to the article and it has been turned into a much larger, somewhat promotional piece for him. Would you mind looking at it and seeing if it is okay per Wiki standards? Or, alternatively, is there someplace else I should go to ask about this? Candy (talk) 05:46, 12 August 2010 (UTC)
 * P.S. I remember that once this article was deleted for a time because he was not considered noteworthy! Candy (talk) 05:49, 12 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Might be something you could nominate for WP:AFD, and/or bring to attention at WP:BLPN. -- Cirt (talk) 20:26, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

DYK
Too lazy to learn the DYK template, but Did You Know that the book Spies: The Rise and Fall of the KGB in America, by John Earl Haynes, Harvey Klehr, and Alexander Vassiliev was born when Alexander Vassiliev clicked an external link to a Wikipedia page for Alger Hiss in 2005? Carrite (talk) 05:56, 12 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Most interesting, thanks! -- Cirt (talk) 20:25, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Beautiful Heartache
<span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif"> — <b style="color:#060;">Rlevse</b> • Talk  • 06:03, 12 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you! -- Cirt (talk) 20:25, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

Daph Nobody
Since you closed the AfD on this one, I wish to draw your attention to the curious behavior of User:Writerman951, particularly the deleted contributions thereof. -- Orange Mike  &#x007C;   Talk  16:31, 12 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Possibly something to investigate for an WP:SPI report? -- Cirt (talk) 20:25, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

VMIX
Request for review: VMIX. Greetings, I'm one of the founders of VMIX and though I agree that the article was too marketing-y in the past, an article on VMIX is still warranted. VMIX is in the top 3 or 4 online video platforms. Brightcove and vzaar and kaltura all have articles though, for some reason, Ooyala (#2 to Brightcove) does not. VMIX was ranked by Forrester in what amounts to a tie for third place (tied with Kaltura). VMIX has several rounds of capital raised and powers video on most of the USA's newspaper sites.

http://www.forrester.com/rb/Research/wave%26trade;_us_online_video_platforms,_q4_2009/q/id/55502/t/2

http://www.crunchbase.com/company/vmixmedia

I'd be happy to start from scratch and write up a new article that's more appropriate for wikipedia. I think the process would be to convince you (as the one who proposed deletion) of the merit of an article and then to create a new article...is that correct? The process is a bit confusing to me.

Thanks. 206.251.240.27 (talk) 19:22, 12 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Consider creating an account on Wikipedia. Then, you could work on a proposed draft version, within a subpage of your userspace. -- Cirt (talk) 20:24, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

Heads up
Based on your blocking of User:ArshtCenter, User:ArshtCenterPress should be blocked too.--Jorfer (talk) 01:18, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Please file report for investigation, at WP:SPI. -- Cirt (talk) 20:23, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

Physiospect deletion
Dear Cirt I hope you are fine. I am asking myself why the Physiospect articel was deleted. It is a new and interesting way of looking at health from a bioenergetic point of view which is more and more in the focus of modern physics. The artice was neutral and short and we think it is worth staying published. It is based on the principels explained in the brillant film "What the bleep do we know" where respected quantum physicinans explain their new understanding of materia. http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/What_the_Bleep_Do_We_Know

There are alsoclinical studies available that has beeen done with the technology Physiospect uses called NLS I enclose some examples. I think we should open this possibiliy to public in a neutral and short article as it was. What is your opinion?

Kind regards

The collection of proceedings of Institute of Practical Psychophysics Topical problems of NLS-diagnostic (theoretical and clinical) (Moscow 2003)

Computer non-linear diagnostics V.I. Nestrov

The Non-linear Diagnostic System (NLS)has been extensively used lately and are gaining ever growing popularity. Even in the few cases, where the clinical symptoms look very typical the NLS diagnostics method provides extra information about the extent of the affection and allows to consider a prognosis. In most cases it is of vital importance for diagnostics and quently for the right choice of treatment. In 2000 it was 20 years since Theodore Van Hoven had developed the theory of quantum entropy logic that underlies this method. So non-linear diagnostics appears to be most up-to-date of all methods of the hardwarebased diagnostics. At any rate, his discovery became a significant landmark in diagnostic medicine. Non-linear analysis was originally employed in organic chemistry to determine the composition of complex compounds. Sviatoslav Pavlovich Nesterov who introduce a trigger sensor in 1988 and thus framed the concept is acceptably considered as a originator of NLS-diagnostics devices (metatron) Active work was immediately started to develop and improve the NLS-diagnostics systems. Clinical testing of the early equipment took the period from 1990 through 1995. The late 90s saw a fast growth of commercial production of the device and a sudden surge in the quality of the results produced. The non-linear diagnostics is still in its developing stage. The diagnostical techniques are improving so fast, that the system version have to be updated every six months. Due to the introduction of some of new devices equipped with digital trigger sensor, the NLS-diagnostics has become not only far more time-efficient but also quiet different in terms of quality. It is obvious that some runtime techniques, for instance tree-dimensional visualization of investigation results will soon become a daily practice. The vegetive testing is just an example of a ready implementation. The method is employed so widely that we should rather speak about a definite rang of indication for its use than just about popularization.

Research centers continue their quest for some new investigation methods based on the non-linear analysis system. So far the result appear to be quiet promising. Unlike NMR and computer tomography, the NLS-analysis does not need strong fields. The method seems to have good prospect for metabolism studies, particularly on a cellular level. The NLS-method advances along the path not only of technical innovation but also of new application. Some minor surgical operations, biopsy for one, have been long monitored using ultrasound, fluoroscopy or computer tomography. Today we have opportunity to hae biopsy monitored by NLS. By the way, many surgeons focus on using this method to assist major surgeries. The cost of equipment for NLS-diagnostics is still very low as compared to some other hardware-based methods. This is supposed to promote more extensive use of the method in countries with low living standards. Of all methods of hardware-based diagnostics the NLS provides representations most proximate to the pathologicoanatomic picture. This feature of the method along with its harmlessness, promotes rapid development of the NLS-diagnostics.

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CLINIC TECH INC. - ascending into the XXI century D.V. Kosholenko, S.A. Letun

The development of the new generation of non-linear computer scanners (metatrons) making use of multidimensional virtual imaging of the body of interests, had allowed to substantially improve the efficiency of the NLS-method and even expand its fields of application despite the MRT competition. The originally volumetric pattern of scanning is a distinctive feature of the multidimensional NLS imaging. The data thus acquired are an integral array, which facilitates reconstructing multidimensional virtual images of anatomical structures of the body of interest. In this connection the virtual NLS is widely used especially for angiographic investigation with the tree-dimensional reconstruction of vascular formations.

Another promising field of application of the three-dimensional image reconstruction based on the data acquired by means of multidimensional NLS is the study if hollow organs with a "virtual-NLS-scopy" involved. This kind of system was developed by Medintech Company for their high-rate multidimensional Z-series non-linear scanners, and was called Hunter. High resolution maintained during spiral scanning and the use of LAPP system(a system of parallel processor with a powerful computational capability and speed of operation) allows to implement the principal of "virtual-NLS-scopy" on a Voxel Z multimodal DICOM-compatible work station, which is the basic system for imaging and subsequent data processing with Medinatch scanners. NLs images are made ready for visual analysis by means of the 4D Tissue, an original company-developed method, that allows not only to obtain virtual multidimensional images of anatomical structures but also select of particular biological tissue of interest giving an extra dimension, and additionally visualize bones, soft tissues and vessels at a time.

A specific feature of representing virtual data by Hunter system is its simultaneous visualization of surfaces of cavatus and extramural formations located outside the lumen of the cavity under examination (e.g. lymph nodes, vessels). The acquired images from the natural sequences of virtual NLS shots, while special navigation programs automatically determine the paths of the "virtual scanner" by center of the cavity under examination. The path of the motion can be chosen by operator using some other settings, which allow to detail the NLS picture by changing the view fields. A raised representation of the cavity surface is also achievable by shaping particular artificially shaded areas. The products sentences of NLS shots can be easily converted into the standard VHS video system, in particular for teleradiology. The hunter system is primarily designed for case detection of obstructive processes in the upper respiratory passage, bulky esophageal, gastric or colonic formation, atherosclerotic lesions of large vessels, and disorders affecting paranasal sinuses, urinary bladder or spinal canal. The data gather by "virtuall-NLS-scopy" allow to pick out the optimum spot for biopsy and define the extent of the required surgical intervention in good time.

The technique can be used both solely and as a useful linking element between topographic, endoscopy and NLS investigations. The Medintech's latest development is a convenient tool for planning interventional procedures monitored by NLS. The Pincers comprises a controlled stereo tactic manipulator ("mar"), a flat gentry-mounted monitor, a cable system and software. The system provides the physician with the means of simulating and performing interventional procedures through an interactive link between the virtual NLS and the real operational field.

METHOD O F COMPUTER NON-LINEAR ANALYSIS AND ITS ROLE IN DIAGNOSTIC. V.D.Artyukh, U.A Shovkoplyas, A.A Gavriov

The computer-based non-linear analysis (NLS) as a dynamic non-invasive informative method is increasingly used to examine the status of health affected by pathologies of different origin. The NLS can be applied both in vivo ( to acquire an NLS-spectrum of one or another part of any organ or tissue) and in vitro ( to obtain an NLS-spectrum of extracts from tissues, biological fluids or cells); while, rather often both approaches can be combined for a more accurate data interpretation. The usage of NLS at a clinic requires devices production an at least 20-30 mT eddy magnetic field. The proceedings of the latest International Congress of Medical Doctors (200 and 2001), that dealt with new methods of diagnostics give evidence of of a growing number of NLS-investigations used for the diagnostics purposes - the 2000 summit heard 16 presentation ion the subject, while in 2001 there were twice as many.

S.D. Tutin et.al. informed of the possibility to use the NLS to diagnose abscesses in the encephalon. It appears, that at an abscess in the encephalon in the NLS-spectrum, during the biochemical homeostasis evolution some signals from lactate and amino acid are detected, which disappearing the course of treatment. The NLS data in vivo correlated well with the result of abscess sample tests made by means of MRC with the high resolution in vitro. Using the NLS-method the dynamics of metabolic change in the encephalon when treating epilepsy can be traced. Some data are available, that indicate a possibility to register a decline in oxidative phosphorylation in the lower limbs muscles with constriction of the vessels caused by arteriosclerosis. In the course of treatment the muscles metabolism appears to improve. Another trend in the application of the NLS method is detection of metabolic disturbance of phosphoregic compounds at muscular atrophy related to pathology in the musculoskeletal system. some promising prospects for myocardial infraction diagnosis by means of the NLS method were describe by U.A.Shovkoplyas et. al., who studied the ATP exchange in the myocardium. At the myocardial infraction its level was proven to decrease.

The NLS-analysis method was employed to study the dynamics of change in the metabolism of lipids in the liver affected by cirrhosis. The NLS -investigation of the pancreas affected by malignent degeneration allows diagnosing tumor progression, judge of the efficiency of radiation or chemotherapy and also adjusting individual dosage schemes for inoperable patients. Moreover, NLS is reported to be used to diagnose CNS disorder, cardiovascular discase, muscular system disorder, prostatic tumor, mammary gland tumors, and in addiction to monitor radiation - and medicinal US therapies. The researches have demonstrated the diagnostic importance of NLS for arteriosclerosis, apoplexy, encelophalomyclitis and vacuities. NLS allows estimating the phase of a pathology and activity of the nidus, determining a relationship between genetic characteristics, clinical symptoms and metabolic deviations in the encephalon. NLS helps to differentiate bengin and malignant tumors in the mammary gland. The studies of abnormal changes in the prostate gland by means of the NLS showed that the method allowed to identify an incipient change in the gland tissue and pick out the appropriate therapy in good time.

K.A.Kvasov et. al, presented some data about diagnosing prostate discases (including histologically confirmed bengin hypertrophy and Aden carcinoma) by combining NLS and dynamic MRT with artificial "Magnevist" contrasting. According to the derived results, this kind of combination allows to define the pattern of the prostate pathology and substantially increase the diagnostic accuracy. In the recent years special attention has been focused on a study of liver metabolism by means of NLS necessitated by a growing number of transplantation of the organs ( in Europe the annual number of liver transplantation is around 200 and in the USA it is 1000) and due to this method's noninvasive evaluation of the liver function in the course of implantation. The result indicate appropriateness of using the NLS-analysis in this case since the ATP level in the liver mirrors an integrate picture of sell homeostasis. There is a close correlation between the disturbed metabolism of phosphorergic compounds and extend of liver decompensation.

Apart from diagnosing liver disorders in vivo, the NLS allows to judge on the state on the transplanted liver in vitro by acquiring spectral characteristics of the organs metazodes. This is based on a good correlation between the pathology change in the liver but also monitor the biochemical responses to treatment. Summing up the above it can be concluded that the ever growing use of NLS-analysis in different fields of clinical medicine, including its combination with MRT with contrast amplification involved, increases the efficiency and diagnostic accuracy and its indicative of a continuous progress in the field of internal organ visualization techniques based on the NLS -analysis phenomenon

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Potential of NLS method in diagnosing gastric and calonic cancers. P.A.Svetlova, N.A Sorokina, T.G. Kuznetsova, V.I. Nesterova, L.A.Yankina, N.V. Tatisova

The non-linear diagnostics method (NLS) use in the Oberon device has been actively practiced lately as many medical institutions. The most tangible results were achieved by using the NLS method as a means of dispensary observation. In the course of its development and advancement the method the method has become a foremost tool of diagnostic and observation with respect of widespread digestive organs diseases : it allows to promptly collect detailed information about the lesion and its pattern and asses the treatment efficiency. That kind disease include gastrodoudenal ulcer, chronic gastritis, and also benign and malignant gastric and colonic tumors. The specific character and working conditions of the therapeutic an dl=clinical institutions in Russia allow extensively employ the NLS method not only for diagnosing disease with some symptoms but also for dispensary observation and what is more, practically all the patients in need of examination can be placed under observation. So physician now can cover patients with the changes that are latent and can only be verified by means of NLS. Specifically, such patients include those having precancerous disease or mucous disturbances in the upper and/or lower sections latent in a certain phases.

According to the data acquired by some medical specialists, using the devices for NLS-diagnostics, and based on annual research in thousands of cases, the frequency of detecting focal or diffuses changes, typical for chronic atrophic gastritis in patient over 50 years old, is within 30-40%.the analysis of the spectral examination of pattern-different section of focal changes in stomach mucosa shows that different symptoms of diseases including intestinal metaplasia and epithelia dysplasia can be detected in them just as often. During the NLS analysis symptom of gastric ulces where recorded in about 5% of cases, polyps in stomach in 7%, and polyps in colons in 45% of cases. Thus, even NLS analysis result alone, without other risk factors taken into account, include the most of the patients in the respective age group appear to be among those who need dynamic observation because of potential gastric cancer (GC) or colonic cancer (CC).

According to the cancer register for 1999-2000, the values of gastric an colons cancer cases were 80.9 and 53.1 respectively per 100000 patients and the death according to the mortality statistics was 47.35 and 19.5%. According to conclusion of the therapy-diagnosis unit, with about 70% patients under active dispensary observation, the pathologies of this kind are likely to be detected as often as in 0.4-0.8% of cases. Therefore, the NLS screening would allow to detect GC or CC in about every 15th-20th examinee. Considering that emergence of clinical sings is one of the incentives for a patient to take medical advices and a reason for hardware-based examination, some clinical implication and their pattern were evaluated in the case of the above mentioned diseases. As fallow in the results,720 patient affected by CG or CC the condition appeared to be symptoms free in 42% and 32% of cases respectively or there were some sings characteristic of previous chronic digestive track diseases that was a case in 77% and 92% for the 1 phase, 56% and 68% for the 2nd phase, 23% and 32% for the 3rd phase, and 8% for the 4th phase of this diseases. The clinical implication at a gastric cancer were of a point-dyspepsia syndrome nature typical for the lesion in the upper section in digestive track. At a colonic cancer subgroups were segregated with dominating sings of intestinal hemorrhage, disturbed evacuation or abdominal pain. A certain interrelationship was proven between the pattern of the clinical implications lasted less than 3 months in 26% of patients the CC developed actually within a few days. It should be noted that so-called "minor sing syndrome" correspond to some later phases of the disease. The same was true fro lab examination data where the change became evident during phases III and IV (2).

The result for NLS0daignostics for the initial phases of gastric cancer in a series of 104 examination showed that in 72@ of cases the physicians on the assumption of the spectral similarity to the reference standard, regarded the lesion as benign and indicative of focal mucosa hyperplasia, polyp, and area of local information, wall deformation or small ulcer. The probability for detection sings of malignant changes found out in the elimination mode was under 1%. Of 134 cases of colonic cancer in phase 1 malignant adenomas were detected in 58% of patients. The rest of the patients were found to have the so-called "minor" changes of cancer, like polyps, atrophic gastritis or atrophic-hyper plastic gastritis. The endoscopic verification of GC and CC with reference to the diacrisis of phases II,III and IV of the discases completely confirmed the results of the NLS-investigation.

172 patients were found to have to have GC or CC discovered by NLS examination conducted within a less than a year interval. among them 62% of patients. Among 62% of patients had an initial phase of gastric cancer and 38% of the patients during previous observation were found to have some or other sings of chronic gastritis in the form of focal mucos hyperplasia, local inflamination or wall deformation. According to morphological investigation, the said sections were of a benign nature and cancer development therein over the last year only. In the rest of the patients the macroscopic changes corresponding to malignant affection (spectrial similarity to "gastric carcinoma" reference standard D<0.425) occurred in the span between the last examination. This preceding endoscopy detected atrophic gastritis free focal changes in the area of the development tumor. Similar NLS data were acquired for 38 patients who during a year's observation were diagnosed to have developed a tumor corresponding to phases II and III.

The NLS of the colon and straight intestine was performed a year before tumors were diagnosed in 21 patients affected by malignant polyps, of whom 17 had been under active observation because of polyposis, while no formation of that kind was in evidence during the initial examination. In addition, within the same time span 13 patients were examined who were diagnosed with precancerous condition (spectral similarity to straight intestine carcinoma, reference standard D>0.7) an minor form of cancer. In 6 of the patients the tumor developed in area of endoscopic polypectomy after they had a large villous adenoma removed. Thus, in 34 (27%) of 121 patients, who were diagnosed to have a malignant polyp conditions in phase I or a small size tumor, colonic cancer developed within a year.

36 patients examined within the same time interval were found to have the condition in phase II and II just as frequently. 28 of them were subjected to medical regular check -ups with no clinical sings of the disease of evidence in any of them. 8 patients, within 3-7 months prior to tumor diagnosis, began to shows sings of growly anemia or progression stool retention. This dispensary observation data for these patients, with the NLS method employed a year before the cancer was developed, had indicated the tumor. There are two indicated factors known to be paramount importance for malignant disease diagnosis hey are the quality of clinical and diagnostic techniques and the specific pattern of the disease progress which actually determine the dynamic of the disease progression. Considering capabilities and working condition in the therapeutic institutions, the presented data on gastric and colonic diagnoses may to certain extent be regarded as optimum. It implies, that even if all the patients were readily diagnose with the disease during the dispensary observation (actually it is a matter of 60%), the phase I condition could been detected only in 40% of them. The analysis of causes of the late diagnosis cases suggests that such cases could prevented by improving organizational and methodical work.

Furthermore, the focus should be placed on the specific features of the diseases progress which are of great, and possibly of vital importance for tumor detection. The analysis of the available data allows to assume that tumor may develop within the short time interval reaching the size of either "minor cancer" or extensive lesion. All that confirms the idea that the tumor growth dynamics in different patients and in the different phases of the diseases id likely to very and be both continuous and discrete pattern. So a possible scenario of tumor development could be the emergence of "early" gastric cancer against the background of precancerous gastric diseases with the subsequent prolonged period of existence in the initial phase of the condition in advance. The colonic cancer development through the benign phase and then through a malignant adenoma is not the only possible scenery it can processed. Tumor can develop de novo and here too. a variant of comparatively slow or fast growth in potential. This provides an explanation for an "accidental" detection of patients with fairly large tumors during dispensary observation and a great number of patients with short clinical anamnesis and late phases of the diseases.

Thus, NLS can be considered as an adequate method for diagnosis gastric and colonic cancers. The difficulties in dealing with NLS interpretation largely concern the initial phases were the frequency of diseases detection depends in the long run on any focal changes in the mucosa in the case of chronic gastritis and on keeping the patient under dynamic observation on the given modes of elimination and NLS analysis involved. The submitted results allow to segregate two principal variants of the diseases diagnosis. The first one suggest "accidental" tumor detection during NLS-investigation; neither clinical nor other familiar sings of disease are in evidence or their intensity ia an insufficient reason for the patient to see the doctor. The second variant occurs the patient develop clinical implications which impel physician to carry out the respective investigation for them. The result of diacrisis of gastric or colonic cancers indicate that for most patient the problem of early diagnosis can not be solved, not only because of certain organization factors but also and primarily because of the specific pattern of the disease process and its manifestation. However, the actual opportunities for improving the well-timed diseases diagnosis in practical public health conditions lie, primarily, in increasing the number of patients to be examined by means of the NLS-method within the framework of health survey and also in a timely and complete examination of the patients who are suspected to have the disease.

Malignant Tumor

New potentials of NLS-method in colonic neoplasm diagnostic. V.I.Nesterova, T.G.Kuznetsova, V.I.Metlushko, N.L.Ogluzdina

Introduction

Colonoscopy is successfully used to diagnose colon new growths. Based on the number of indications endoscopy investigation allows to get reliable information about the colonic growth surface in order to correctly classify its pattern and take a sample for morphologiacal identification. Yet, colonoscopy does not give an idea of the kind of internal structure the new growth has, nor does it allow to assess the depth of the invasion of the colon wall by a malignant tumor, determine its proliferation to adjacent organs or metastases to regional lymph nodes. Beside, colonoscopy does not provide information about extra intestinal new growths unless they have already permeated the intestinal wall.

The NLS-investigation of the colon using 4.9 GHz high frequency nonlinear sensor can help clear up all of these issues. The NLS-investigation allows to examine intestinal wall layers and the adrectal cellular tissue. The research aimed to define the potential of the NLS-method in a more specific diagnostics of straight-and segmented intestine tumor.

The matter and investigation methods In order to achieve the set goal 87 patients were examined by in whom 91 new growths were investigated by means of the NLS-method. The examinees included 41 men and 46 women age from 31 to 83 with most of them (82%)aged from 50 and over. All the patient affected by colon new growths were given one or another kind of surgical treatment depending on the pattern, size and localization of the growth. Among them in 23 cases endoscopic polypectomy was performed, in 61 cases a resection was done on different parts of the colon and in 3 patients transanal endomicrosurgery was performed. All of the NLS-investigation results were verified by a pathomorphological examination of macro preparation according to which the colonic ne growths were represented by simple tumors in 30 cases and by glandular cancers with different degrees of differentiation in 61 cases.

The stage of the malignant process were defined according to TNM classification adapted by International Anticancer Association in 1997 (the 5th revision) Phase T1 was diagnosed in 13 patients (21%), phase T2 -in 26 patients (43%), phase T3 in 17 patients (28%) and phase T4 in5 patients (8%). According to a pathomorphological examination, metastases into regional lymph nodes were detected in 11 of 61 cases. All the patient underwent NLS-investigation and ultrasound colonoscopy to diagnose and localize new growths, define their size, growth patterns and approximate morphological characteristics, and also ultrasound scanning of the abdominal cavity and small pelvis organs to assess the condition of the organs adjacent to the colon and diagnose distant metastases. The NLS-investigation used the Oberon-4011 device equipped with a 4.9 GHz nonlinear sensor manufactured by the Institute of Practical Psychophysics (Russia) and Clinic Tech Inc. (USA). The endoscopic ultrasonography made use of the endoscopic ultrasonographic system UM-20 complete with the ultrasonie colonoscope CF-UM20 (Olympus, Japan). The echographia of the abdominal cavity made use of the diagnostic unit SSD-630 (Aloka, Japan) and Logiq-700 (General Electric, USA)

Discussion of results We know from experience that every NLS-investigation should be preceded by diagnostic colonoscopy, which evaluates anatomic characteristic of the colon and defines the number, localization and macroscople characteristic of the new growths, and by ultrasound scanning of the abdominal cavity aw well. A through transabdominal ultrasound scanning is required to assess the condition of the organs adjacent to the colon and diagnose remote metastasizes.

A comparison of the NLS results with those of pathomorphological investigation was made in order to define the potentials of the NLS-method in differential diagnostics of benign and malignant colonic new growths. The result of the NLS-investigation coincided with the apthomorphological investigation in 87 of 91 cases. Most of the errors occurred in diagnosing colon adenomas. In 6 of 31 cases the patient was suspected of having cancer. The analysis of the observation noted that the difficulties in diagnostics were related to the deformation of intestinal wall layers due to the pressure of a nodal villous tumor rather than to a genuine invasion. To false-negative results were obtained in the case of malignant adenoma and cancer decreases, Thus the accuracy of the NLS method in differential diagnostics of malignant and benign colon tumors amounted to 81.33% and sensitivity to 79.8%, while the specificity made 76.4%.

The method of treatment to be chosen for patients affected by colon cncer depends on the tumor process phase. A comparison was made to he pathomorphological investigation data in 61 cases in order to assess the diagnostic efficiency of the NLS-method in classifying the colonic cancer phase.

The correct definition of the phase of tumor process was possible in 68.4% of the observations. The best results were obtained in defining phases T3 and T4, where the diagnostic accuracy was 78.2% and 81.2% respectively. It should be noted that most of the errors occurred in determining phases T1 and T2, were the data of NLS and pathomorphological investigations coincided only in 54.2% and 47.4% of the observations respectively.

In diagnosing phase T1 mistakes were made in 4 cases with 3 of the errors toward overstating the phase; in once case sings of intestinal wall invasion were not found and the tumor was taken for adenoma. In the analysis of phase T2 diagnostic errors in overstated phases were noted in 7 of 9 cases; an understatement of phase of the tumor process occurred in one case and yet in one case no evidence of invasion proved to be fond. The analysis of the post surgical morphological conclusions made it clear that in 6 of 7 false positive result pathomorphological investigation of macro preparation detected a deeper infiltration into the intestinal wall. However according to microscopy examination, the filtration was on inflammatory rather than of a tumorous kind. It should also be noted that in all of the cases it had to do with an infiltrative tumorous process in the inferior ampullar section of the straight intestine free of serous membrane while the inflammatory infiltration area was located in adrectal cellular tissue. To find out the causes the present difficulties for diagnosis the efficiency of the NLS method was analyzed in function of the size, localization and form of germination of neoplasms. The best results were obtained in diagnosing new growths size under 2 cm and over 5 cm.

The epithelia tumor over 5 cm in sizes is represented by phases T3 and T4 in 12 of 17 cases. It has to be noted, that the large neoplasms the data of NLS essay did not coincide with pathomorphological data only in phase T2 where the process phase was overestimate because of the presence of the inflammatory infiltration in deeper layers, than the layers where the tumoral invasion occurred. Thus, at neoplasms larger than 5 cm in size the diagnostic of the invasion degree of the intestinal wall is feasible in 78,2% of observation. High result was also obtained at the estimation of depth of tumoral invasion by neoplasms sized up to 2 cm. most of them are represented by a tumor in phases T1 and T2. The results of ultrasonic colonoscopy have coincided with those pathomorphologic conclusions in 76.7% of the observation. It should also be noted, the tumours up to 2 cm are most convenient for examination since they have the least number of artefacts. At this essay the greatest groups were the tumours sized from 2 to 5 cm, where the result proved to be lower, than in two first groups. The NLS data and those of the pathomorphological essays coincided in 66.7% of cases. An appreciable share of mistake (60%) occurred in phase T2, where the intestinal wall invasion depth was overestimated in all observation.

The great value has the fact, according to the pathomorphologic essay, in 5 of 6 cases of hyperdiagnostics apart fro the tumoral infiltration an expressed inflammation was detected in deeper layers of the intestinal wall. The relatively low accuracy of diagnosed depth of the intestinal wall invasion by tumor sized from 2 to 5 cm is due to the fact that 24 of 30 observations of this group corresponded to phases T2 and T3. The differential diagnostics of the tumoral infiltration depth in this phases is complex. At the next research stage we made comparative analysis of the effect of the form of growth of the neoplasm for accuracy of defining the phase of the tunoral invasion in the intestinal wall. All neoplasms were classified into three groups, in function of the shape otf the tumor growth: polipiform, saucer shaped and infiltrative.

The highest results were obtained when diagnostic the phases of the caucer-shaped growth cancer process where the accuracy of the defining the tumoral invasion in the intestinal wall was 78.3%.

It seems however impossible to fully estimate the accuracy ot the NLS method in defining the depth of a tumoral invasion at neoplasms with saucershaped growth because of its dismall occurrence among other forms n patients surveyed by us. The polipiform of the growth was noted in 30 neoplasms. The growths had a distinct interface with unaltered sections of the intestinal wall and did not block the intestine lumen by more than half, which created favorable condition conditions for the survey. The accuracy of NLS method in defining the depth of tumoral invasion in the intestine wall was as high as 65%. It has to be noted, that half if all cases divergent with the pathomorphologic conclusions is due to the overestimate depth of tumoral infiltration at defining the phase T2, which is connected with the presence of perifocal inflammation.

This fact suggest difficulties in defining the phase of cancer process in cases where the tumoral invasion is compounded by the inflammatory component penetrating deeper layers of the intestinal wall and beyond its limits. The neoplasms with in infiltrative growth shape have proved to be most difficulty in defining the degree of the tumoral invasion in to the intestinal wall. tn this group the result of NLS-method and those of the pathomorphologic essays coincided only in 49.8% of observations. It was due to the fact that these neoplasms, as a rule, had a large size and occupied more than a half of the intestine wall circle.

In the next investigation phase was estimated the accuracy of the NLS method in defining the degree of the intestinal wall invasion depending on the tumor location in the colon. In 40 cases the tumor was localized in the rectum and in 21 cases in the segmented intestine. The accuracy of diagnosing the phase of the tumoral process in the colonic intestine is significantly height that at finding the tumoral invasion depth with the neoplasms located in the rectum and amounts to 71 and 62.5% respectively. This high result can be most likely explained by the fact, that this department of colon contains a serious membrane, which distinctly separates the muscular layer from the abenteric organs and tissues. Also is noted that the serous membrane of the intestine is less subjected to penetration of the inflammatory infiltration, than the pararectal cellular tissue. The majority of mistake falls on the cases overestimated depth of the invasion at defining Phase T2.

These researches have noted that accuracy of diagnosing the phase of a tumoral process was higher in colonic intestine than in rectum. The greatest number of abscesses, inflammatory infiltration or radial therapy in the neoplasm area. Damage regional lymph glands are an important prognostic factors in diagnosing rectum cancer. To define the capabilities of the method in diagnosing metastases in regional lymph glands, the results of the NLS method were damage with those of the pathomorphologic essay. In the letter the malignant damage to the regional lymph glands was detected in11 observation from 22 cases.

The analysis of the derived data proved that the NLS essay had correctly defined the pattern of damage to the lymph glands in 63.6% of cases. The metastatic pattern of damage to the lymph nodes was defined in 74.8% of cases, and an inflammatory changes the results of ultrasonic colonoscopy and those of the pathomorphologic essay coincided only in 45,5% of observation. In 6 from 11 of cases the presence of metastasizes in lymph nodes was assumed (false-positive result). Such mistake s can be attributed to oncologic vigilance of the researcher and complexity of differential diagnostic of inflammatory and metastatically -altered lymph glands

Conclusion

1 NLS diagnostics is a highly efficient method of diagnosing the neoplasm of the colon, allowing to diagnose neoplasms and regional lymph glands. 2 The NLS method allows to detect the colon adenoma and cancer by presence or absence of the tumoral invasion in the intestinal wall. 3 The diagnostic efficiency of NLS method in defining the phase of tumoral process in the rectum is lower then in segmented intestine. 4 The diagnostical accuracy of the cancer phase in colon depends as much on the size as on the anatomic shape of the tumor growth. The best results were obtained at defining depth of invasion of the intestinal walls be a tumor sized under 2 cm and cover 5 cm.

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NLS-method in vascular pathology diagnosis S.M. Patrushev A.D. Sluzky, V.M. Vagulin

Today the world faces a constant trend of a growing rate of morality caused by occlusive vascular diseases, especially by cerebrovascular disorders which are in the third place among death causes. On the one hand the trend is caused by a growing number of elderly and aged patients. On the other many men even already at 45 have atherosclerotic damage of main head arteries =, causing the need for a dispensary observation.

The most simple and at the same time informative method of noninvasive diagnosis of occlusive damage of peripheral vessels appeared to be the NLS-method with has been used in clinical practice not long since. The first NLS devices equipped with analog trigger sensors, operating in 1.4 GHz frequency mode and used in clinical practice since the late 90-s have not their importance yet. They can determine the condition of certain sections of the main vessels in the lower limbs and that of the brachiocephalic vessels. Not only can the condition of the vessels but also of the valvular system of deep venis can be studied. 102 patients were examined in 19997-1998 to detect valvular insufficiency of deep venis affected by varicosis. The patients were from 21 to 67 years old. The examined patients included 25 men (24.5%) and 77 women (74.5%). The study was carried out by means of the Oberon devices using a 1.4GHz analog trigger sensor. In 32 patients a valvular insufficiency of the femoral vein was detected, in 44 patients failure of both femoral and popliteal venis. NLS allows s to asses the condition of the valvular system of deep venis in low limbs on a noninvasive and objective basis which is very important point for the surgery tactic to be selected, and can be used an alternative to phlebography analysis.

The NLS-signal spectral analysis method has no counterindications and in terms of informational content is comparable angiography. It cn be used to perform screening in the course of polyclinical examination with the view to detect early or latent forms of vascular pathology and also as a preliminary method of selecting patient for angiosurgical treatment, since according to some angiologists, angiography should only be performed on candidates for surgery pick up after a preliminary NLS investigation. However the method does not allow to asses bulk index of the bloodstream, because NLS does not allow to provide vessel's image and hence to measure the vessels diameter. This kind of information can be acquired with the help of Doppler system with 2D-imaging, that offer duplex and triplex scanning (the so-called Doppler chromatic charting).

The NLS-method was developed in the mid 90-s played an essential role in in vascular pathology diagnosis. The main advantage of the NLS-method was that differentiate vessels from nonvascular structures, arteries from venis and very accurately detect sings of disturbed vascular permeability caused by stenosis or occlusion of the vessel lumen by an atheroscierotic patch or thrombus which are generally not visible on screening in B-mode alone.

In addition the NLS-method allows to diagnose portal hypertension, the extant of its intensity, and permeability of Porto systemic bypasses. NLS is very sensitive in defining the extend of peripancreatic vessel involvement with pancreas cancer which is essentially important for choosing the approach for surgical treatment. NLS allows to detected the damage renal vessels (both veins and arteries), which is very important for the correct choice of a hypotensive drug at arterial hypertension. Some efficient hypertensive drugs, i.e. inhibitors of angoitensin-convering enzyme (ACE) such as capoten, enalapril, berliptil, cet., became very popular lately, but they have counter-indications at renal artery stenision. So physicians should bear in mind that checking for stension is a must before prescribing this kind of medicine. NLS-method is likely to be the choice method in such cases.

The NLS-method is indispensable fro differential diagnostics of benign and malignant hepatic diseases. Its sensitivity is comparable with the potential of conventional or digital angiography and computer assisted amplified tomography. In addition, the NLS-method is much cheaper, simpler and more intelligible. In can be employed directly at the patient's bedside if required. The NLS-method can be used in ophthalmology to check ocular hemodynamics before or after surgical intervention, in obstetrics to detect the disturbed blood current in umbilical cord arteries with a view to diagnose a retarded fetus development and predict a negative perinatal produce.

Yet another potential of NLS method lies in cranial scanning which allows to detect intracranial hematomas, ancurisms, cysts and tumors in the encephalon. These are far from potential of the NLS method. Summing up, the NLS-method is one of the most dynamic techniques and within the next few years it is bound to bring some new discoveries.

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NLS-diagnostic of lung abscess S.N. Makarova

A screening NLS-investigation detected two cases of lung abscess in feverish patients who were complaining of pain in the right hypochondriac region. The patient were subjected in order to preclude an abdominal cavity pathology. The NLS examination was conducted by means of "Oberon-4009" device equipped with digital trigger sensor. (1,4GHz). Patient N., age 57, was admitted to therapeutic department. He was complaining of a week-long fever with the temperature of up to 40?C, a moderate non-productive cough and pain in the right hypochondriac region as a result of catching a cold. He came to see the doctor tan days after falling ill. The anamnesis read a bilateral pneumonia 14 days before. The clinical blood analysis indicated an increased leukocyte content- up to 18.7 x 109 with a flush left leucogram. The common urinalysis showed no deviation. Physical examination vesicular pulmonary respiration, weakened in lower section on the right with no rhonchi. Tong drt, with furred. Belly soft, with frank painfulness in the right hypochondriac region. No symptoms of peritoneum irritation in evidence. Pasternatski symptom negative on the right and left.

The NLs-investigation on the abdominal cavity did not detect any sings of pathology in the liver, gallbladder or pancreas. On the right there are visualized blackening in the diaphragramatic pleura (4-5 points according to Flandler's scale) and an image of voluminous formation in the right lung was acquired (5-6 points). On the dorsal thoracic wall there was an image of a enhanced chromogenic formation (6 points) of a heterogeneous internal structure, sized 80x65x54 cm. the lung tissue around the nidus had a higher chromogenic density (4-5 points) on account of infiltration. A spectral simillirality to the "lung abscess" reference standard (D=0.312) was detected. The investigation of the left lung and pleural cavities did not detect any structural changes. NLS conclusion: certain sings of developing abscess in the right lung. The check radiological investigation arrived at the conclusion: abscess in the lower lobe of the right lung in progress. A repeated NLS examination was conducted 10 days later. It visualized a rounded hyporchromogenic formation with uneven outlines with some hyporchromogenic zones inside, sized 81x60x51 mm.

The chromogenic density of the lung tissue around the nidus was somewhat higher ( due to infiltration), and the folia of the visceral and parictal pleuras were blackened in the lower section of the right lung. The patient was offered the further therapy in the specialized surgical department, which he turned down. 3 weeks later, after some anti -inflammatory therapy a check NLS examination was performed. During the examination the patient complained of coughing with a profuse sputrum discharge. His temperature was normal, the clinical blood analysis indicated a leucocytecount of 8.6x109, and the differential blood count was within the standard and ESR grew up to 37 mmr/h. the NLS-investigation visualized rounded formation with even outlines, increased chomogenic density and heterogenous internal structure sized 47x43. The chromogenic density of the lung tissue around the perimeter decreased (because of reduced infiltration). At the patient's urgent appeal he was discharged from hospital from further outpatient treatments. Later he underwent two check examinations conducted.

Patient M. age 63, was eliminated by means of the NLS method in order to preclude a liver or gall bladder pathology. An LNS-ivestigation of the lung and pleural cavities was carried out. In the left lung and pleural cavites it found no sings of pathology in evidence. In the right lung in the IX, X AND XI hypochondria (from the paravertebral line to the scapular one) it parietally visualized a formation having an increased chromogenic density and sized 85x60 mm uneven outlines and heterogenous structures (due to inclusions of a decreased chromogenic density0 sized 3-4 mm. the chromogenic density of the lung tissue was not increased. NLS conclusion: sing o abscess in the right lung? Clinical conclusion: abscess in the lower lobe of the right lung.

The patient had check NLS-investigation conducted against background of anti-inflammatory therapy. With the NLS-investigation performed 10 day later the formation looked rounded, had even outlines, and increased chromogenic density (3-4 points) because of infiltration. The formation measured 73x50x60 mm. The NLS-investigation 2 weeks later did not detected any positive dynamies from the administered anti-inflammatory therapy. The submitted the clinical observations once again confirmed the NLS-investigation with lung diseases is not used in clinical practice as often as it deserves. Beside, the dynamic NLS-observation of the patient affected by lung diseases allow to assess the efficiency of the employed therapy and reduce the radiation load both on patient and the medical personnel

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NLS-diagnostics of the degenerative changes in the spine. A.G. Brusova, P.A. Manokhin, T.K. Puznovskaya, T.A. Shyshkovetes.

Computer Nonlinear Diagnnostics (NLS) is a new highly informative method provided to examine the spine and the spinal morrow. The NLS advantages are noninvasiveness, scalability of the image field, a capability to obtain section of any orientation and virtual imagining of reticular canals and paravertebral zone. Undoubtedly the use of NLS in diagnostic of degenerative spine diseases has apparent prospects. Subject and methods The investigation was conducted by means of "Oberon 4009" metatron equipped with a 1.5 GHz digital trigger sensor. 1217 patient affected by degenerative changes in the lumbar region of the spine was investigated. The NLS of the spine and spinal marrow was performed for all patients, 112 patient had NLS and CT and myleography was performed for 10 patients. Analysis of result

In 87% of cases in the examinee group we found disks affectes by degenerative changes. The elierst degenerative change in intervertebral disks (ID) was a hyoerchromous lesion (6p point on Flandler's scale) in zone between the pulpous nucleus and the fibrous annulus. Alonge with the degenerative changes NLS has detected an increased chromogenic density of the spinal from the bone marrow in the adjacent regions of the vertebral bodies (4-5 points according to Floander's scale). 3 degrees of the degenerative changes could be distinguished depending on the process intensity.

Degree1, a hyperchromous zone apprised at 4-5 on Flandler's scale, was detected in 90 patients. Conventional radiograph did not display any changes. Formation of fibrovascular tissue followed by its penetration into the bone marrow is believed to underline the changes. Some author relate these changes ro the lack of stability in the segment.

The histogram displayed a spectral similarity to the reference standard "intervertebral osteochondrosis" (D 0.396 to 0.425) Degree 2, a hyperchromous response in the affected zone at 5-6 points in Flandler's scale was detected in 215 patients. Conventional radiograph did no showed any changes. According to some literary evidence, in this phase the histology detects a substitution of the fat bone marrow for the red bone marrow often accompanied by enlarged trabeculae. This phase generally precedes an osteochondrosis development which can be diagnosed a little while later by conventional radiographs.

The spectral similarity to the references standard "intervertebral osteochondrosis" was frank (D0.246 to 0.360) Degree3, a frank hyperchromous response (6 points), which corresponds to a far advance vertebral body sclerosis, was detected in 312 patients. Some secondary symptoms, like local bulging and vertebral asteophytes, were detected with a far advance degenerative lesion of the disk and substantial similarity to the references standard "osteochondrosis" (D from 0.152 to 0.218). NLS allowed to differentiate between a protrusion and prolpse of the disk and existence of rupture of the fibrotic ring and condition of longitudinal and other ligaments.

A protrusion is defined as a bulging of disk tissue beyond the posterior out line of the vertebral body into the spinal canal. The fibrotic ring tissue endures through becomes very thin and NLS only revels zone of slight destructive changes in the structure (3-4 points0. With compression it gives an actually frank hyperchromous response(6 points). Protrusion may be accompanied by slight caudal shift which is quiet often defined by means of the NLS-method at L5-S1 intervertebral disk level. NLS detected protrusion in 729 patients.

The rupture of the fibrotic ring fibers result in the prolapsed of the pulpous nucleus on a subligamentary level and the ligaments rupture results in the prolapsed inside the cerebrospinal canal. As can be seen from NLS, the longitudninal ligaments look well delimited and are represented as hyperchromous band-like structures (5-6 points) which adjoin the bones and fibrotic ring. The extraligamentary prolapsed can shift either in a caudal or cranial direction. The extraligamentary prolapses of the disk that lost contact with the host disk become sequesters. Occasionally, we observe some very small extraligamentary sequesters which shifted far into the cerebrospinal canal, which made it hard to detect them.

The NLS investigation detected prolapsed in 445 patients. In 685 of cases the hernias of intervertebral disk was combined with other degenerative dystrophic spinal changes on this level. The hernia of the intervertebral disk was detected at 1.4 -5 level in 83% and 1.3-4 level in 2% of cases. A lesion of several disk was found in 50 patients. 196 underwent surgery, among the 114 had lateral hernias, 76 patients had median lateral hernia and 6 had median hernia. 5 patient had surgery for hernia recurrence. The NLS diagnosed extraligamentary sequestrated hernia in 38 patients and intradural hernia was diagnosed in 3 patients. Multiple sequesters were detected in 5 patients. The clinical symptomatology for the prolapsed of intervertebral disk was variable and did not always depend on their size. In some case we observed median protrusions which did not result in any clinical implication. The clinical symptomatology for small sequestrated hernia was no less then for large sequesters. In evaluating the NLS data not only the size of hernia but also the reserve area of the cerebrospinal canal and their preposition should be taken in to account.

With a suspected hernia the NLS-investigation should be performed at least in two planes, sagittal and paraxial, i.e., parallel to the disk plane, and the sagittal investigation in T1w-SE can be combined with others sequences. The median prolapses of intervertebral disks in sagittal shots could be seen quiet clearly. The signal content of the hernia predominantly corresponded to the NLS signal content of the pulpous nucleus. The external part of the fibrotic ring, posterior longitudinal ligament and the dura matter give a frank hyperchromous response and did not differentiate from one another. Thus,, the NLS method sometimes fails to present a direct proof of a rupture in the external and axial projections.

Sagittal shots have an advantage in deciding on the disk prolapsed, the size of intervebral foramina and the condition of the cerebrospinal canal and bones. These shots are not significant for detecting an intradural process with the cone especially poorly invisible in them. Frontal shots have drawbacks in determining the condition of the pulpous nucleus and fibrotic ring. To that and paraxial virtual models are used, for they allow to differentiate the process between the fibrotic ring rupture and protrusion free of the rupture. Thanks to virtual dimensional scaling sagittal shots allow to delimit the subarachnoid space.

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NLS-diagnostics of diffuse infiltrative lung diseases V.I.Nesterova, T.G.Kuznetsova, N.L.Ogluzdina

Among different kinds of lungs disorders special attention has been paid over the last years to diffuse infiltrative lung diseases (DILD), which is largely accounted or by some problems in their timely diagnostics and treatments. Most diffuse lung diseases involved in the pathological process both the interstitial tissue and the respiratory tract and alveola. In this connection this type of pathological processes should be defined rather diffuse infiltrative than as interstitial diseases. Despite of the polymorphism of clinicomorphological manifestation of DILD, most of them star off with productive alveolitis (in contrast to the exudative alveolitis in the case of pneumonia) with fairly stereotyped changes in the lung interstice in the form of inflammatory infiltration with different degrees of intensity. Subsequently fibrosis develops that can have differen rates of progression. A "cellular lung" pattern is the final phase of development. It should be noted, that some infection diseases of certain etiology (like tuberculosis, histoplasmosia, etc.) and particular malignant tumors (lymphogenous, carcinomatosis, brioncholoalveolar cancer) do not directly belong to interstitial lund diseases but are similar to them in terms of manifestation.

The clinical evaluation of patients which are suspected DILD is a complex problem. Nonspecific symptoms and in some cases sing detected during chest examination may be characteristic of a multitude acute or chronic diseases that involve interstitial tissue, respiratory tract or alveola. DILD are represented by extremely heterogeneous group of diseases. The DLIDs have been describe in over than a hundred possible versions, however in clinical practice only about 10 or 15 condition are the most common and it should be noted that sarcoidosis and various cases of lung fibrosis occur in clinical practice in 35-50% of all DILDs. Besides, acute diffuse lung processes in patients with reduced immunity (also in combination with HIV-infection) are likely to have a great number of infectious and non-infectious varieties, which X-ray evaluation is forum to be difficult.

Unfortunately, the capabilities of conventional peonthenography for patient with a suspected DILD appear to be limited for the sensitivity and specificity of the method prove to be insufficient. The data on 458 patients with a histological confirmed DILD were studied. The chest radiographs for 10% of the cases turned out to be normal. Among 86 patients affected by DILD no pathological change was detected in 50% of the patients with histologically proven bronchiectasia and over 20% of the patients with emphysema shown on X-ray shot. Radiography may equally show false positive results of the investigation. We have discovered that 10-20% of the patients with the x-ray-confirmed sings of DILD no changes were detected during the lung biopsy.

The computer nonlinear diagnostics (NLS) is one of the promising methods of diagnosing lung disease of today. NLS appreciably improves the communication of the fine morphological elements in the lungs tissue and opens up new opportunity for recognizing interstitial discases of the broncholveolar system. NLS has a high sensitivity in detecting fine interstinal lesions of the parenchyma and small nodules.

The result of investigations prove that NLS has a better sensitivity in detecting both acute and chronic diffuse lung diseases. The sensitivity of NLS diagnosis in detecting lung disease make 85% as compared to 79% in chest radiography. The accumulated experience too, give additional grounds to assert that NLS is a highly efficient method for diagnosing a wide range of various diffuse lung diseases, DILD included, and excels the classic: chest radiography by sensitivity. It should be noted that the high sensitivity of the NLS-method is achieved without sacrificing the specific and diagnostic accuracy of the method. In patients affected by DILD the NLS specificity amounted to 86% as opposed to 76% in radiography. In particular, the high sensitivity (87088%) and specificity (83-89%) of NLS were demonstrated in bronchiectasia diagnostic.

Although, NLS is a more sensitive method as compared to the chest radiography, its sensitivity in lung diseases diagnostic is not absolute and the fact that no radiological changes were detected by NLS may lead to precluding lung disease in patients who actually suffer from DILD. 100 patients were examined by means of the NLS with 86 of them affected by DILD and 14 having no pathological changes in the lungs. Despite the high value of NLS sensitivity and specificity, for 4% of the patients with biopsy-detected lung disease the result were interpreted as being normal. On other hand, the NLS was proven to high-accuracy technique for precluding acute lung disease in patients with immunodeficiency. Some examination data were studied for patients with a bone marrow transplant and clinical symptoms of fever of obscure genesis. The authors demonstrated high reliability of the NLS in determining fungal infection in 20 of 24 cases. Beside, the fact that no changes were detected during NLS lung examination allows to assume that the fever was caused by bacterial or fungal infection of extra pulmonary genesis. It is also a proven fact that the sensitivity with NLS is higher than with standard computer tomography. We examined 150 patients. Using conventional CT (10 mm collimation) and NLS we found that NLS had higher sensitivity in recognizing pathology changes in the lung tissue.

Due to its high sensitivity, NLS should be used to define lung diseases in patients with a normal or obscure aspect of disease who have a pulmonary disturbance or symptoms that suggest acute or chronic diffuse lung disease. Even with certain clinical sings in evidence the diagnostic accuracy of classic radiography in patients affected by DILD apperes to be limited. The reason is both superposition of the image in the radiograph and low contrast of minute lung structure. NLS is fee of these aspects, which is why it is reputed to be a more efficiency method for recognizing lesions of lung tissue as compared to both radiographic survey and conventional computer tomography.

Beside having a higher sensitivity, specificity and diagnostic accuracy, the NLS method can become a determining factor in evaluating the activity of a pathological process in patient affected by DILD. In certain cases NLS can be used not only to define the presence of a pathological process or the extent to which it has spread, but also to collect information about the reversibility of changes (in acute or active phase) as compered to irreversible (fibriotic) changes in the lung tissue. Moreover, since NLS can accurately identify the imponderable activity of a pathological process in the lungs, it can be employed to evaluate the efficiency of the treatment given to the patients. The conventional methods for evaluating disease activity, such as transbronchial lung biopsy (TBLB), bronchoalveolar lavage (BAL), chest radiography, galliumlung scanning and functional lung tests are insufficient reliable I evaluating the activity and in terms of prognostication. So the open lung biopsy (OLB) is still the choice method for both diagnosing and evaluating the process activity. We were able to prove, that sings detected in patients by means of NLS can provide some valuable information and be significantly important in defining the activity of a pathological process.

In terms of this prognostic value NLS is advancing to the foreground leaving behind functional lung tests, BAL and even OLB, because it allows to assess a lesion of actually the whole lung paranchymes as compared to a separate biopsy sample. Moreover, NLS can become an accurate noninvasive method for evaluating the efficiency of the administered treatment. Sarcoidosis is one of the most common interstitial lung disease of unknown etiology. In typical cases granulomas are formed in fine lymph vessels or beside them, afterwards the granulomas self organize which causes lung tissue fibrosis. A number of researches considered the NLS potential in defining the procsess activity in patients affected by sarciodosis. The main activity indicator is the presence of small nodules and to lesser degree their distribution and occurrence in the lung tissue. Unfortunately, despite the difference between reversible and irreversible changes detected by NLS for patients having sarcoidosis, the potential of NLS is assessing the process activity have not been studied well enough.

Among differential indications in favor of NLS application, the use of this method in lung biopsy is porbable the most important one. Biopsy is very essential diagnostics technique which allows to define the nosology of lung disease, its activity level and phase. The diagnostic value of biopsy to a certain degree depends on its method and the type of DILD. The authors proved that TBLB was diagnostically informative for only 20 patients of 53 (38%) who had DILD in evidence; in 33 such patients (62%) TBLB displayed normal lung tissue or nonspecific changes.

At the same time OLB made a specific diagnosis of DILD in 92% of cases. In DILD-affected patients TBLB proved to be most informative for patients having sarcoidosis or lymphogenous carcinomatosis, because this lesions have largely peribronchical tissue involved and are therefore most accessible to TBLB. Diagnostically OLB appears to be more accurate, but it also has certain complexities because lung tissue is sampled from a small sector of the lung which might not reflect the changes occurring in the rest of the lung tissue. Many diffuse diseases affect lung tissue irregularly so the pathologically altered parts of the lung may contine both actibe manifestations of te disease and fibriotic changes of long standing. For any accurate diagnostis and assessment af the clinical progres of the disease the rifht choice of a biopsy smaple is very important. During biopsy NLS helps to collect moere accurate data indicating active areas of a pathological process. By using NLS, the areas affected by lung fibrosis in its final phase, with honeycomb lung formed, could be skipped during biopsy sampling. In addition, NLS may prove to be vitally important for choosing the most effective technique ( TBLS, BAL, OLB) for making a histological diagnosis. Conclusion. Radiography still remines the most/accessiable method for diagnosing DILD yet its informational content apperes to be not sufficient.

Making correct diagnosis necessitates a combination of laboratory, functional and radiological investigations as well as some invasive methods, cach of them having it sown substantial limitations.

NLS-diagnostics is the method that greatly improves identification of diffuse infiltrative lung disease and as such it should become a part and parcel of an integrate investigation.

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NLS-DIAGNOSTICS OF PROSTATE DISEASES V.A. Toropova, S.N. Petrenko

An ever growing number of physicians enjoy an opportunity of screening NLS diacrisis of prostate gland and urinary bladder. This article attempts ti consider some particular of morphological changes occurring in a prostate affected by pathology, based on the results of NLS-investigations.

In the West prostate cancer makes 20% of the total cancer diseases and ranks second to lung tumors as a depth cause. According to some autopsy finding with a histological investigation of the prostate, 12-47% of men aged over 50 appeared to have cancerous nidi. Clinically, cancer is diagnosed moer rarely because a high percentage of that number corresponds to "minor forms" of cancer that have low invasiveness, so the patients suffering from it die of another king of pathology. The enhance the quality of prostate disease diagnostics it is important to comprehend to specifics of topographic and zonal anatomy of particular organ

The prostate gland is located in a small pelvis between the bladder and anterior abdominal wall, anterior rectum wall and secondary urgenital diaphragm. The gland has a chestnut shape and tightly envelops the bladder cervix and prostatic urethra. The gland base is tightly connected with the bladder into a coherent mass. Its anterior surface is directed to the symphisis, and the posterior one - to the rectum ampulla. The posterior surface of the gland has an expressed sulcus, which allow to conventionally subdivide the gland into the left and right lobes. Beside, there is a protruding middle cone-shaped lobe confined anteriorly by the prostatic urethra and by the spermatic duets posteriorly. According to zonal anatomy theory usually 4 glandular zones are distinguished in the prostate. The correct interpretation of NLS data largely depends on the knowledge of their topical pattern. 20% of the glandular tissue correspond to the central zone (CZ). The peripheral zone (PZ) occupies 75%. The intermediate (transitory) zones (TZ) make up 5% of the total amount of the glandular tissue.

Peruretharal glands (PUG) take a relatively small amount if the tissue however exactly this area of the gland is very important for explaining changes at a benign hyperplasia. Apart from the glandular area, 4 fibro muscular zones can be disconnected: 1) Anterior fibro muscular stoma (AFS). 2) Unstriated muscular fibers of the urethra (UMFU) 3) Preprostatic sphineter (PPS), which is an extension of the musculature of the inferior part of the urecter and prevents inverse emission of semifliud 4) Postprostatic sphincter (PPS), which is responsible for retain urine in the bladder and blocks incontinent micturition The gland can be conventionally subdivided into 2 parts: -external part consisting of CZ, PZ, TZ and -internal part comprising AFS, PPS and PoPS.

According to NLS-investigation, the external part looks like a structure of normal chromogogenic density( 2-4 points on Flandler's scale), and internal one is hypochromogenic (1-2 points). The two parts are divided fibro muscular layer, the so called surgical capsule, along which an incise made during surgical intervention, and calcium salts deposit (calcium imitation of the gland).in the NLS investigation those formations can be seen as fairly hypochromogenic structures (3-4 points) od different size. The analysis of the prostatic gland image on th NLS virtual moc mae according to the fallowing quantity characteristics: 1 size: front to back - 2-2.5 cm, across - 3-4.5 cm, from top to bottom - 2.5-4 cm; 2 volume: up to 29 cm; 3 symmetry. The urethra is the reference point. If any pathological changes are detected in the NLS-graph it is recognized to: -specify their extra location - perform histograph of the pathological area and area of the tumor with a normal structure. It will be helpful for the case fallow-ups. At the begging hyperplasia allows to detect the direction of the principal germination. In case of hypertrophic transitory zones the gland proliferates inwards. Though darkened lateral zones are formed ( 405 points on Flandler's scale), the nodes can still always visualized. The trans-rectal NLS offers the most detailed and automatic information.

Enlarged lateral lobes squeeze PZ and CZ causing their atrophy. With proliferation of the paraurethral zones a massive fibro muscular PPS layer restricts of their hyporplasis, so with this kind of pathology the gland proliferates along the urethra forming a middle darkened zones pushing back the bladder wall. Visrtual scanning makes this pathology clearly visible in longitudinal sections. At the beginning of the proliferation a relationship between the internal and external glandular parts id disturbed. Apart from some distinctions in the zone of principal proliferation, the clinical sings will be different as wee. In the case where a globe-shaped gland is formed (TZ prolification) the gland is chiefly hyperchromogenic and the dysuric manifestations are minimal while with a "middle zone" formed the gland is slightly darkened and dysuria appears to be frank. Sphincter decompensation leads to the development of urinary incontinence and dilation of the upper urinary track fallowed by the atrophy of the cortical layer of kidneys, which gradually adds to frequent urination, nycturia, reduced pressure of the urine or slowed-down urination occurring in the initial phase of the disease.

In case of squeezed cervix of the bladder an NLS-graph allows to visualized sings of an infravesical obstruction, that causes some morphological and functional changes in the lower and upper urinary tracks. Specifically. In the initial phases of benign hyperplasia a darkened wall in the bladder can be observed. Dark patches result from compensatory hyprthropy of the detrusor. These 3 phases of benign hyperplasia of the prostate can be distinguished depending on the intensity of the changes: 1. Hyperchromogenic density of the gland with no residual urine; 2. Residual urine present; 3. All of the above-mentioned plus dilatation of the upper urinary tract with the cortical layer of kidneys involved in the process. Diagnosis of the acute prostatitis is made in the basis of histograms (similarity to the reference standard process "prostatitis" D<0.425). diagnostication should be done in combination with dactylar rectal examination ( painfulness during papation) with clinic lab data taken into account.

In this case oc abscessed lesion a still higher hyprchromous area (6 points) is visible against the general dak patch ( 4-5 point according to Flandler's scale). Areas of frank blackening correspond to necrotic changes. Which an abscess in progress one can notice a reduced infiltration of the tissue around the cavity with the dark patch gradually lighter in the course of dynamic observation ( up to 3-4 pints). With adequate therapy employed the postinflamentory cyst may fall into regression. As can been seen from NLS-investigation, chronic prostatits dose not give a common characteristic picture, however the morphological processes in different phases of the disease are reflected in histograms. With a long-lasting diseases the chromogenetic density tends to rise due to a postinflammatory substitutions mode destructing of the fibrous component starts to predominate.

With an oncological pathology analysis of the gland picture helps locate the process in different projections and assess the extent of prevalence and involvement of adjacent organs. The minimum size of tumor determinate by means of NLS-investigation is about 8-10 mm. 805 of the timorous nodes are represented by markedly hyperchromogenic structures (6 points on Flandler's scale) Analysis of histogram of the nidid helps differentiate an oncoprocess. The method's sensitivity becomes higher with both 'elimination' and NLS-anaysis'modes in use. Peripheral zone shape first place as far as cancer incidence rate s concerned. Their shape make 70-80% of cases. In transitory zones (TZ) are affected in 10-20% and CZ in less than 5% of cases. In transitory zones a timorous nidus should be looked for within 3-4mm from the capsule. In case of any oncological alertness the symmetry in the lobe affection is assessed w.r.t the sagittal axis and intensity of the black patch (4-5 point on Flandler's scale) in the adjacent organs, especially seminal vesicles and bladder because in 25% of cases metasitzing occurs through the gland apex and seminiferous tracks. Considering the fact that cancer often develops with some diffuse changes occurring on the background, foe example, with chronic prostatic or adenomatosis, it is not always possible to visualize newly formed cancerous areas. In such cases the result if PSA level definition and digital rectal examination should be considered. The PSA level is defined considering the patient's age and gland volume. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pippigaggi (talk • contribs) 07:35, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Was deleted, after deletion discussion from AFD process discussion, at page Articles for deletion/Physiospect. -- Cirt (talk) 20:23, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

Codex Vaticanus
Dear Cirt,

This is Screwball23, and I have been an editor on Wikipedia for some time now. I have been on few review pages, and I inadvertently bumped your reviewer role. my apologies. I understand you may have other priorities, but if you find time, please help me put my comments on the page into view. Right now, I can't see the notes that I took on the page, and I'm not sure how to get them into view.

Thanks again! -- Sc r ew ba ll 23 talk 22:13, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Okay, sure, will try to help out. -- Cirt (talk) 22:18, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

Korey
Thanks for the protection, appreciated. Off2riorob (talk) 22:14, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
 * You are welcome. -- Cirt (talk) 22:18, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

Adieu again
Thank you for welcoming me. I left before when keeping things at an even balance between the thugs and the hysterics got too trying. Should I reactivate metarhyme? I don't know about that. - 67.224.51.189 (talk) 07:51, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

Talkback

 * Replied there. -- Cirt (talk) 14:46, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

CI Host deletion
Please see User_talk:Vianello and User_talk:Srobak, as it was in progress prior to your deletion. Srobak (talk) 13:40, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

The Military history WikiProject Newsletter : LIII (July 2010)
This has been an automated delivery by BrownBot (talk) 21:16, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

Michael E. Mann
User:ChrisO is edit warring on this article again; he has now reverted 4 separate editors. Suggest you lock the article again. ATren (talk) 23:48, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Best to try WP:RFPP instead of individual admin(s). -- Cirt (talk) 03:41, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Light Horse Tavern
Courcelles 00:02, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you! ;) -- Cirt (talk) 03:48, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Pithari Taverna
Courcelles 00:03, 16 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Thank you! ;) -- Cirt (talk) 03:48, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

Portal:Speculative fiction
Looks like the last burst of discussion has ended over here, so feel free to close it any time. The discussion has been open for over two months now (almost two-and-a-half). ··· 日本穣 ? · 投稿  · Talk to Nihonjoe ·  Join WikiProject Japan ! 02:38, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Indeed. This is notice number ... um ... lost count at this point ... Suffice it to say ... they have been numerous. :P -- Cirt (talk) 03:42, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, you did say to remind you about it. :) ··· 日本穣 ? · 投稿  · Talk to Nihonjoe ·  Join WikiProject Japan ! 06:08, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes. However, at this point, getting to seem like a bit much, with all of the myriad of notices... :) Could use a break, to step back, let things chill, relax, take a breather, etc. :) -- Cirt (talk) 06:10, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

Trapped in the Closet (South Park)
Hi - thanks for your note, but I'm not sure what better link or reference can be provided. The point is that the episode is not listed at all on the UK site, so providing a link to the site verifies this. Would it help to add a direct link to the episode guide instead? 81.142.107.230 (talk) 10:23, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Would be best to keep discussion of this, to the article's talk page. -- Cirt (talk) 03:43, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

Deletion review for Kateryna Kozlova
An editor has asked for a deletion review of Kateryna Kozlova. Because you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedily deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review.


 * Sorry, should have contacted you first before starting the review. Now in the process of withdrawing. Hope that you can change the result to No Consensus or Keep given that there is only one delete vote on the Afd with no further comment. Kateryna also passes WP:TENNIS/N since she has won a title in an ITF $25,000 tournament. Arteyu ?  Blame it on me ! 13:24, 16 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Restored, relisted, back at AFD. -- Cirt (talk) 03:44, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Arteyu ?  Blame it on me ! 10:19, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

Darryl Dobbs - removed
His website DobberHockey.com provides any bio info needed. Your research actually dug up articles that I was unaware of. But he primarily can be found outside of his own website at TheHockeyNews.com, Yahoo! Puck Daddy and others. His Twitter account @DobberHockey has 1700 followers (small potatoes, but still in the top 85,000), and his website has 35,000 members. I just can't help but think that this is another slight against hockey by Americans. Perhaps I should re-submit under his handle "Dobber"? That is what he is more widely known as (and would probably turn up more hits for you if you did a search of "dobber" and "hockey"). Let me know if that has a better chance of success, I appreciate your help. Sorry for forgetting to sign last time, I am new to this process. Eksfactor (talk) 00:10, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

I would like to request a second review of this deletion by someone higher up in the Wiki chain. The bio provided a dozen references, as well as independent write-ups on this blogger. He has a Fantasy Hockey Guide that 10,000 people buy every year. His work is read on dozens of websites and is absolutely a worthy person to profile on Wikipedia. I feel that this removal was the victim of an American bias against hockey and hockey personalities and I would like this deletion and the persons responsible for it to undergo a full review. Hockey may be small-time in your world, but there is a big market out there, particularly up in Canada, where the sport and its personalities are respected. Please advise. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Eksfactor (talk • contribs) 18:38, 16 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Hmmmm...he's probably just not notable enough for an entry. I did my own quick research of reliable sources and I found 3 articles written by him and 2 articles with brief mentions of him.  I'm not sure how you could construct a biography from that.  A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 18:59, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Teaneck Kebab House
The DYK project (nominate) 12:02, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you! ;) -- Cirt (talk) 03:46, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

Proposed Quidco article
Hi again,

as you recommended I've added a proposed Quidco article to my Talk page at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Stuartcoggins#Proposed_Quidco_article

If you could check that over, I would really appreciate it. Many thanks.

Stuartcoggins (talk) 17:13, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Not really developed enough at all. Might be helpful to read through all of the pages linked in the welcome message on your talk page. -- Cirt (talk) 03:46, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

Featured content dispatch workshop
A while ago, I proposed to you that you write a guide on Featured portals. Perhaps you can headline something in the Signpost? Just a suggestion. Hope it's not a bad one :) <span style="font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica"><b style="color:black;">Res</b> Mar 02:53, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
 * It is something I have been meaning to work on for a long while. Will think it over a bit more. -- Cirt (talk) 03:47, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes well, I think if there's anyone around who's qualified to give an overview and history of Featured portals, it's you. It would make terribly good material for a dispatch. Also, when you do write the article, I want to be the first to see it. It will be terribly useful for my evil schemes grand designs future contributions. Cheers, <span style="font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica"><b style="color:black;">Res</b> Mar  04:51, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

Pricer1980
, who you blocked before, is continuing to add false company information, as he did here. Considering the editor's history, a longer-term block seems in order. Erik (talk &#124; contribs) 19:50, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Best to try WP:ANI for this sort of behavior pattern. -- Cirt (talk) 03:48, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Taken up here. Erik (talk &#124; contribs) 16:50, 20 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Nod, thanks, glad it was acted upon there. ;) -- Cirt (talk) 22:10, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

Blocked IP socking to evade, see ANI
Hi, Cirt! Thanks for this block of IP 138.162.8.57 (talk) for vandalism. I thought I should let you know that he appears to be socking to evade that block, vote-stack an AfD, vandalize, and just continue to be a pain. Since you didn't seem (from your contributions history?) to be online just now, and because I was hoping for a quick response, I started a thread at ANI about this. Just thought it'd be courteous to let you know. Btw, I sincerely appreciate your work to keep the barbarians at bay, very much. Thanks again, –  OhioStandard  (talk) 01:59, 21 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you. -- Cirt (talk) 03:43, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

AfD closure
Hello! You closed this bundles AfD with delete, but forgot to delete the other article: Niamh Earnshaw. Armbrust <sup style="color:#E3A857;">Talk  <sub style="color:#008000;">Contribs  11:21, 21 August 2010 (UTC)
 * ✅. -- Cirt (talk) 12:52, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

IP 65.25.178.154 continued vandalism
This static IP from Herndon, Virginia, got blocked for one month on 27 March 2020 for adding non-existant cast and crew to numerous articles. When the block ended, the IP began doing it again and you yourself gave it a 3-month block. And when THAT block ended last July, the IP went immediately back to the same exact patern of vandalism, and has already received two new "only warnings" without stopping. I've gone through and cleaned up all I could find... but might you consider a slightly stiffer block this time around? Maybe the IP will get bored and stop.... though it does seem as if the IP has absolutely no interest in stopping the vandalism.  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 03:25, 21 August 2010 (UTC)
 * ✅. -- Cirt (talk) 03:44, 21 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Sure hope the IP finally understands that Wikipedia is not the place to expand such an elaborate set of hoaxes. We'll know in 6 months.  Schmidt,  MICHAEL Q. 22:53, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

MfD nomination of User talk:SuperSonicSpeed
User talk:SuperSonicSpeed, a page you substantially contributed to, has been nominated for deletion. Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User talk:SuperSonicSpeed and please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes ( ~ ). You are free to edit the content of User talk:SuperSonicSpeed during the discussion but should not remove the miscellany for deletion template from the top of the page; such a removal will not end the deletion discussion. Thank you. Dave ♠♣♥♦№1185♪♫™ 19:47, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

Featured Portal Question
Before I nominate it, do you think Portal:Cape Cod and the Islands is up to code or do I have more to work on with it? Thanks. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 00:50, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Does need a bit of work. Try a portal peer review, and then post notices about it to lots of relevant wikiproject talk pages. -- Cirt (talk) 00:57, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Do you have any suggetions about if from what you might have noticed before I dive into the review? Kevin Rutherford (talk) 01:06, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Some quick suggestions from a talk-page stalker (and I fixed a couple of bugs myself, as you may have spotted): (a) to get FPo status, you'll need many more than one article, one DYK set, two pictures, two quotations (and how does JFK's inaugural address get to be one of the quotations? Because JFK was from MA? That makes it a very loose link indeed - can you do better?); (b) anything that happened in 2005 is no longer news... suggest you revamp this section, not relying solely on Wikinews (which is a dying project), but maybe using Wikinews importer bot anyway; (c) the display of the categories section is messed up for me (using Firefox), and the "
 * Thanks Bencherlite! I'll get right on it. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 01:36, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

Volcanoes
Looks just about ready for archiving :) <span style="font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica"><b style="color:#731A25;">Res</b> Mar 14:09, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Indeed, could be at some point in the near future. -- Cirt (talk) 15:23, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Anyway, I'm permitted to bother you until you write that dispatch, oh mighty one :) <span style="font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica"><b style="color:#731A25;">Res</b> Mar 19:17, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Like I said, will think about it when I get a chance, thanks. -- Cirt (talk) 19:20, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

National Anthem of Russia
So...this is FA again. Thoughts? :D User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 17:39, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Excellent work! :) -- Cirt (talk) 17:40, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Took about a year to do it. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) 17:41, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Impressive. ;) -- Cirt (talk) 17:42, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

"Nuremberg trials-sons of haman" deletion
I request you to reconsider the deletion of the article "===Nuremberg Trials-Sons of Haman Coincidence?===". 1. As for the claims of OR: All the factual claims in the article are fully referenced by reliable secondary sources. All the rest is described clearly as wild speculation originating in religious circles. 2. I keep a Neutral POV: There is a crictical section with several references to critical sites. It explicitly describes the theory as a controversial speculation and it explicitly mentions that it is an aposteriori observation that cannot be statistically "proved" in any reliable way. 3. As for notability- I wish to point that other claims of coincidence/precognition etc. are mentioned in wikipedia and some even got their own article in wikipedia, see e.g. Lincoln-Kennedy coincidences urban legend, Bible Code, Futility, or the Wreck of the Titan. Also see R v Dudley and Stephens. Also, on the web you can find dozens, of sites discussing this issue. Do a Google Search on "purim fest 1946", or "haman's sons" and Nuremberg or "small letters" and esther. A google book search yields at least 10 books mentioning this as well. In (orthodox) Jewish circles it is well known and I may add that it also enjoys some popularity in those circles. I think there are many more believers in this theory than for example there are members in the Flat Earth Society. So if the latter fringe theory has a wikipedia entry why shouldn't the former? If you still think it isn't notable enough to deserve its own article, then may I suggest as a compromise to add it as a section inside another article. The article about the Bible Code controversy seems most appropriate, especially since the originator of both ideas seems to be the same person (Rabbi Weissmandl).--Ok412 (talk) 19:13, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Was deleted, after deletion WP:AFD discussion, at Articles for deletion/Nuremberg Trials-Sons of Haman Coincidence?. -- Cirt (talk) 19:14, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I know that. That's why I ask you to reconsider.--Ok412 (talk) 19:23, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Consensus from the discussion was quite clear. -- Cirt (talk) 19:24, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

"Is this noteworthy of inclusion?"
Hi Cirt, I hope this reaches you in good time. This is regarding my recent addition to the "Reported Abuse" section of the David Miscavige page. I added a direct quote from D.M. from a Tampabay.org article entitled "David Miscavige Bio." I can confidently say this addition is noteworthy of inclusion - it emanates from a source that has been quoted by editors of the page in question (St. Petersburg Times). If the publication may be quoted concerning other categories/matters, I don't see why the inclusion of a quote from his 2004 speech mentioned on the same publication wouldn't be a noteworthy addition. Thoughts? Thank you for your time. AlexJohnTorres12 (talk) 12:41, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Let's keep discussion of it, to the article's talk page. Thanks. -- Cirt (talk) 19:44, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

Question
Thank you for your welcome. But why are you messing with my user page? Jimgreensboro (talk) 02:08, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

FYI
Regarding this edit, we have a bot which updates the template for us, thus making lives much easier. By the way, I have fixed up the portal a bit and am just waiting upon a few more DYKs to appear before I finalize anything so if you have any suggestions, that would be swell. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 04:28, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Nod, thanks. -- Cirt (talk) 04:29, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

Pending changes trial is complete
The pending changes trial is over. Until it is determined what to do, it probably isn't a good idea to place any more articles under controlled revisions.&mdash;Kww(talk) 23:57, 25 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Ah okay, thanks. -- Cirt (talk) 02:15, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Albion Police Department (Nebraska)
Following on from the above AfD, the same editor has also created the following similar stubs :

Fairbury Police Department (Nebraska) Crete Police Department (Nebraska) Chadron Police Department (Nebraska) Central City Police Department (Nebraska) Boys Town Police Department (Nebraska) Plattsmouth Police Department (Nebraska) Broken Bow Police Department (Nebraska) Beemer Police Department (Nebraska) Ord Police Department (Nebraska) Papillion Police Department (Nebraska) Wauneta Police Department (Nebraska) Wymore Police Department (Nebraska) Friend Police Department (Nebraska) Exeter Police Department (Nebraska) Madison Police Department (Nebraska) Wheeler County Sheriff's Office (Nebraska) Webster County Sheriff's Office (Nebraska) Wayne County Sheriff's Office (Nebraska) Washington County Sheriff's Office (Nebraska) Valley County Sheriff's Office (Nebraska) Thurston County Sheriff's Office (Nebraska) Thomas County Sheriff's Office (Nebraska) Thayer County Sheriff's Office (Nebraska) Stanton County Sheriff's Office (Nebraska) Sioux County Sheriff's Office (Nebraska) Sherman County Sheriff's Office (Nebraska) Sheridan County Sheriff's Office (Nebraska) Seward County Sheriff's Office (Nebraska) Scotts Bluff County Sheriff's Office (Nebraska) Saunders County Sheriff's Office (Nebraska) Saline County Sheriff's Office (Nebraska) Rock County Sheriff's Office (Nebraska) Richardson County Sheriff's Office (Nebraska) Red Willow County Sheriff's Office (Nebraska) Polk County Sheriff's Office (Nebraska) Platte County Sheriff's Office (Nebraska) Pierce County Sheriff's Office (Nebraska) Phelps County Sheriff's Office (Nebraska) Perkins County Sheriff's Office (Nebraska) Pawnee County Sheriff's Office (Nebraska) Otoe County Sheriff's Office (Nebraska) Nuckolls County Sheriff's Office (Nebraska) Nemaha County Sheriff's Office (Nebraska) Nance County Sheriff's Office (Nebraska) Morrill County Sheriff's Office (Nebraska) Merrick County Sheriff's Office (Nebraska) McPherson County Sheriff's Office (Nebraska) Madison County Sheriff's Office (Nebraska) Loup County Sheriff's Office (Nebraska) Logan County Sheriff's Office (Nebraska) Lancaster County Sheriff's Office (Nebraska) Knox County Sheriff's Office (Nebraska) Kimball County Sheriff's Office (Nebraska) Keya Paha County Sheriff's Office (Nebraska) Keith County Sheriff's Office (Nebraska) Kearney County Sheriff's Office (Nebraska) Johnson County Sheriff's Office (Nebraska) Howard County Sheriff's Office (Nebraska) Hooker County Sheriff's Office (Nebraska) Holt County Sheriff's Office (Nebraska) Hitchcock County Sheriff's Office (Nebraska) Hayes County Sheriff's Office (Nebraska) Harlan County Sheriff's Office (Nebraska) Hamilton County Sheriff's Office (Nebraska) Hall County Sheriff's Office (Nebraska) Greeley County Sheriff's Office (Nebraska) Grant County Sheriff's Office (Nebraska) Garfield County Sheriff's Office (Nebraska) Garden County Sheriff's Office (Nebraska) Gage County Sheriff's Office (Nebraska) Furnas County Sheriff's Office (Nebraska) Frontier County Sheriff's Office (Nebraska) Franklin County Sheriff's Office (Nebraska) Fillmore County Sheriff's Office (Nebraska) Dundy County Sheriff's Office (Nebraska) Douglas County Sheriff's Office (Nebraska) Dixon County Sheriff's Office (Nebraska) Deuel County Sheriff's Office (Nebraska) Dawson County Sheriff's Office (Nebraska) Dawes County Sheriff's Office (Nebraska) Dakota County Sheriff's Office (Nebraska) Custer County Sheriff's Office (Nebraska) Cuming County Sheriff's Office (Nebraska) Colfax County Sheriff's Office (Nebraska) Clay County Sheriff's Office (Nebraska) Cheyenne County Sheriff's Office (Nebraska) Cherry County Sheriff's Office (Nebraska) Chase County Sheriff's Office (Nebraska) Cedar County Sheriff's Office (Nebraska) Cass County Sheriff's Office (Nebraska) Butler County Sheriff's Office (Nebraska) Burt County Sheriff's Office (Nebraska) Buffalo County Sheriff's Office (Nebraska) Brown County Sheriff's Office (Nebraska) Boyd County Sheriff's Office (Nebraska) Box Butte County Sheriff's Office (Nebraska) Boone County Sheriff's Office (Nebraska) Blaine County Sheriff's Office (Nebraska) Banner County Sheriff's Office (Nebraska) Arthur County Sheriff's Office (Nebraska) Antelope County Sheriff's Office (Nebraska) Adams County Sheriff's Department (Nebraska)

What would your recommendation be with regard to these ? Codf1977 (talk) 07:50, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Those were not included in the original AFD. Suggest going to WP:ANI regarding the editor's behavior pattern. -- Cirt (talk) 17:38, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the advice, I did not include them in the AfD as I thought it could be seen as WP:POINTY or the like to list ~100 articles. - I will post to ANI later to night Codf1977 (talk) 18:48, 26 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Done - see Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents. Codf1977 (talk) 21:51, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

AfD closure 2
Hello! You closed this bundled AfD with delete, but forgot to delete the other article: Stadium Music (album). Armbrust <sup style="color:#E3A857;">Talk  <sub style="color:#008000;">Contribs  12:51, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
 * ✅! -- Cirt (talk) 15:59, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

CareerStallion
http://www.dol.gov/opa/media/press/eta/eta20100146.htmhttp://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/story/2010/03/03/ST2010030302560.html

Why was CareerStallion Department of Labor top 10 website removed from Wikapedia? Washington post ha written about this company. The company boast from December 2009 to the present 22590 hits look on their hit ranker from their website. This is the first national minority founded website going up against the of major career sites. Please tell us that truthful informtion is being entered on Wikapedia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nclark40 (talk • contribs) 08:14, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Who is "us" referring to? -- Cirt (talk) 13:26, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

Graffiti6 AFD
I'd like to dispute your closure of Articles for deletion/Graffiti6. All those calling for deletion were saying so based on the claim they failed wp:music but one editor pointed out that they passed one of the cirteria of wp:music by charting. No-one calling for deletion addressed this. duffbeerforme (talk) 05:21, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Restored, reopened discussion, back at AFD. -- Cirt (talk) 13:25, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks, responded at AFD. duffbeerforme (talk) 13:12, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

Eagle LA Article Deletion, Please consider restoring.
The article on Eagle LA was deleted and as the original author and the person who was working on the research to footnote the article as requested. I believe there is a fundamental misunderstanding here. The goal in writing the article was to bring to light a very important and long standing part of the gay community in Los Angeles. Like many issues that involve gay subjects. The Eagle LA aka the outcast aka the Gauntlet 1 & 2. suffer from de-crimination in the main stream press. And thus it had been under reported. That does not make the importance of the establishment any less important in the complex relationship between Los Angles and the gay community and its emerging place in the city and the current environment for gays in California as the prop 8 debate rages on. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eagle_LA The Outcast was one of the first bars to open in Silverlake in 1968 after the BLACK CAT RIOTS in 1967 the bars in the area band together with each other and the patrons demonstrated together for gay rights to assemble in bars with our being harassed by the LAPD. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Cat_Tavern The Outcast was only a few blocks away. In the harsh climate of anti gay oppression by the LAPD and an unsympathetic and hostile LA press. It is going to take a fair amount of manual research to foot note the article properly. Further Bars like the Eagle LA and under it s previous names provide the gay community with much more then just a Bar (commercial drinking establishment) it also acts as a support organization for members of the community. Offing the facility for for fund raisers, STD testing and meeting hall. Much more then a similar establishment would in the straight sense of a "bar" Finally the inclusion of the DJ is something that is specific tot eh gay community. DJs are Stars (celebrities) in the gay community and they define the character of the night. Patrons will specifically go to a gay establishment because of the DJ playing that night and not on other nights. Through out the gay community the DJ is often the center of the event. There are gay events across the country that happen specifically on what DJ will be appearing and the DJ. I would like to develop a section for current and past DJs. Also the Eagle provides the only remain Leather establishment in Los Angeles. The patron of the Eagle LA are often referred to as Twice discriminated against. 1. because they are gay and 2. by gays & Straights because they live a leather life style. On the bars women's leather night they are three or four times discriminated against. 1. As Women 2. for being Gay, 3. As leather or fetish gay women and 5. if they are part of a minority group. The Eagle LA has been a beacon for these individuals through its various iteration from 1968 to now. I have been working on getting the research done to footnote and expand the article and it was delated before I could get back to it. There are two books and several web sites I have found that will support the information in the article.

The Eagle LA significance: 1. The oldest gay leather bar in Los Angeles 2. A contemporary of the BLACK CAT TAVERN 3. The only remaining Leather bar in Los Angeles 4. An important part of the Gay and Lesbian Community in Los Angles 5. Welcomes and supports both men and women

Please consider like many gay related issues, often the subject is marginalized and suppressed in a succession of omissions and suppressed information. That leads to a lack of historical coverage of gay issues. to remove this article furthers that suppression. From the newspapers that would not even write about Gay establishments unless they to appeared as a result of a police raid. May I suggest that a gay or lesbian editor be included in the decision about deletion. They might have a broader understanding of the establishments significance and why it should have an article in Wikipedia. Thank you for your consideration of this matter. —Preceding unsigned comment added by PinkCityHistorian (talk • contribs) 08:03, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Suggest you could work on a proposed draft version, within a subpage of your userspace page. -- Cirt (talk) 13:26, 28 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Cirt Thank you for your Response. After I have created the draft. What is the next step for review to have the page reposted.

Further the whole scope of the project I am endeavoring to do is build a complete history of struggle of gay individuals to assemble publicly in LA. From the early 1900s to present day. Creating interconnected articles that tell each part of the story of the struggle for gays to assemble and socialize in public in LA. PinkCityHistorian (talk • contribs) —Preceding undated comment added 22:12, 28 August 2010 (UTC).
 * You can work on a draft at User:PinkCityHistorian/Sandbox, read through the welcome message I gave you and all the pages in the links provided in the welcome message, as well as the pages given at WP:Article development, and go from there. -- Cirt (talk) 23:50, 28 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Cirt I have been reading the welcome information since you posted it for me. It goes with out saying that is a huge help and really fascinating. I already used the footnote guidance to improve the footnotes in an article that was missing proper verification. I will work on the Eagle LA Article and reach out to you for your comments when i think its in presentable shape. My last question, cause I can see from your talk page you have your hands full with a lot of other stuff. Is there anywhere I can retrive my orgiinal article? I would like to use it as a starting point. The version I have is a few drafts before I moved in to Wiki and completed it there. Thank you.  (PinkCityHistorian (talk) 00:58, 29 August 2010 (UTC))
 * ✅, now at User:PinkCityHistorian/Sandbox. -- Cirt (talk) 01:05, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

Thank you Cirt. I am on board with the program, I researched how other similar establishments articles have been formated and writen (some good some not so good) I will follow the good format. I am going to start a "gay" DJ page but will run it by you before I publish. (PinkCityHistorian (talk) 06:16, 29 August 2010 (UTC))

/* The Deletion of Darryl Dobbs */
I sent some talk two weeks ago and again last week, and now it has been removed and I have yet to hear feedback. Can you comment please? (Don't make me type up my entire one-sided conversation again please) Thank you. Type "Darryl Dobbs" or "Dobber" plus "hockey" and you will get 100,000 references. I'll just leave it at that. This was my entry and I would like it re-reviewed:

Darryl Dobbs (born April 02, 1974 in Niagara Falls, Ontario), also known as "Dobber" is a blogger and freelance columnist with a niche in fantasy hockey. His contributions to The Hockey News and more specifically TheHockeyNews.com (noted as their "fantasy expert" ) led to his founding of DobberHockey.com, a website exclusive to fantasy hockey. The popularity of the website exploded after the NHL lockout and led to Dobbs contributing to Yahoo! Puck Daddy, the Vancouver Sun , and other outlets /radio shows. Labeled an "honest-to-goodness expert" on fantasy hockey by the editors of Yahoo! Sports, and is also the fantasy expert for The Fourth Period. Dobber's work has been referenced all over the hockey world, including by ESPN's John Buccigross

Today, DobberHockey boasts a staff of fantasy hockey writers/analysts and the site has spun off into the baseball market with DobberBaseball.com.

Dobbs is married and lives in the Toronto, Ontario area.

—Preceding unsigned comment added by Eksfactor (talk • contribs)
 * Perhaps you could work on a proposed draft version, within a subpage of your userspace pages. -- Cirt (talk) 15:39, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

User:77.100.247.6
This user is again putting up unsourced information in TV shows such as CSI: NY (season 7), and the information appears to be completely made up. They have been blocked before, but begin doing it again soon after being allowed back. Would you be so kind as to check this out? Thank you. Trista (cannot log in at work) 24.176.191.234 (talk) 18:47, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
 * ✅. -- Cirt (talk) 19:56, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/None of the above (Serbia)
Oops, looks like I relisted this right after you punched "delete". Lately I've been leaving these unrelisted so you can make such a call but in this case I wanted the "second" to be a little more substantial then "per nom. --Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:08, 29 August 2010 (UTC)
 * ✅, restored, relisted, now back at AFD. -- Cirt (talk) 00:10, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

Oh and speaking of AFDs being closed with few !votes
There's a current discussion at WT:AFD and a straw pole you might be interested in. --Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:24, 29 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the notice. I see you have yet to comment regarding my speedy response to your query in the above section. Was my rapid response to your query satisfactory to you? -- Cirt (talk) 00:26, 29 August 2010 (UTC)
 * It was but I couldn't immediately think of anything to say that would be more substantial then "per nom" :) --Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:33, 29 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you. -- Cirt (talk) 00:33, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

Collaborative news on quippd
Hey, I noticed that you listed yourself as invoked in the WikiProject Journalism project, and I hoped that you could help out on another collaborative community edited project.

I run quippd, a collaboratively edited social news site, which mixes elements of Wikis, social networking, and social news sites. You can get some more information about what we are doing at: http://quippd.com/about/intro

Basically, we want to get good coverage on news stories, collaboratively edited, like Wikipedia. We are trying to take the ideas of WikiFactCheck -- to make news less biased and speedier (unlike something like Wikinews). By combining social elements to the project, we hope to bring the benefits of wiki enabled fact checking and npov ideas to the masses.

I hope you check us out -- and feel free to contact me with any questions, comments, or concerns.

--Yoasif (talk) 02:34, 29 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the info, will look into it. -- Cirt (talk) 06:17, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

Deletion of Colocation America page
Hello again,

Thank you so much for the constructive suggestions! I've updated with some credible sources, would you mid taking another look? Thank you again! Em.Rosenberg (talk) 23:26, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Link to the page? -- Cirt (talk) 03:47, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

Whoops sorry, it's on my talk page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Em.Rosenberg Thanks again! Em.Rosenberg (talk) 21:27, 23 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Could use more secondary sources. -- Cirt (talk) 21:22, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

Thank semi-spam
Thanks for your support at my RfA, which has been closed as successful. Your endorsement of my content contributions was much appreciated. Cheers, Nikkimaria (talk) 15:57, 24 August 2010 (UTC)
 * You are welcome. -- Cirt (talk) 21:22, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

Yowza

 * Thank you! -- Cirt (talk) 22:07, 24 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Hear, hear. I just came to check that you'd been given a barnstar for this excellent hard work. Colonel Warden (talk) 07:59, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

AfD closure 3
Hello! You closed this bundled AfD with delete, but forgot to delete the other article: Ultimate NRG 2. Armbrust <sup style="color:#E3A857;">Talk  <sub style="color:#008000;">Contribs  15:10, 29 August 2010 (UTC)
 * ✅! -- Cirt (talk) 20:51, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

Accessing a deleted page
Hello there, last year you deleted a page on a snooker variant called Flying Snooker (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Flying_Snooker)

I am not opposing the deletion, merely trying to access the historical version of it, for another purpose, to no avail. Is this something you can do please?

Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by Glynandtess (talk • contribs) 09:38, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
 * ✅, now at User:Glynandtess/Flying Snooker. -- Cirt (talk) 14:21, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

Church of Scientology editing on Wikipedia
Thanks for your note concerning my reassessment. You really do deserve praise for your "rescue" of the article. Claritas § 14:44, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

Sharron Angle
I was able to find two citations about her husband Ted's career in about 3 clicks. Bearian (talk) 16:33, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Great, thanks. -- Cirt (talk) 17:05, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

Volcanoes portal
The user who left the last comments hasn't been on for a few days. If it's archived tommorow, it'll be done exactly 2 years after the first nom :) <span style="font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica"><b style="color:#731A25;">Res</b> Mar 16:58, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
 * You could try the user's talk page and email if that is enabled. -- Cirt (talk) 17:05, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Ah, I overlooked that, thanks. <span style="font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica"><b style="color:#731A25;">Res</b> Mar 17:10, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
 * No worries, -- Cirt (talk) 17:12, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

Comparison of knowledge management software
Hello,

Would it be possible for you to send me the "comparison of knowledge management software" page by email or just post it back temorarily so that I can copy it? Even if some links are not valid any longer, it was still a valuable synthesis.

Thank you Albert314 (talk) 17:18, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
 * ✅, now at User:Albert314/Comparison of knowledge base management software. -- Cirt (talk) 17:20, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

Thanks a lot! Albert314 (talk) 17:23, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
 * No worries, -- Cirt (talk) 17:24, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Graffiti6
Hi,

I notice that you had recently deleted the talk page of this article whilst the AfD was ongoing. I am considering an OTRS release for a related website source and may add this to the talk page, would you intend to restore it if the AfD result is to keep? Fæ (talk) 19:41, 30 August 2010 (UTC)


 * I think Cirt overlooked this; after originally closing the debate as "delete" and deleting the article and talk page, Cirt relisted the AfD instead, and undeleted the article but not the talk page. It's now been restored. BencherliteTalk 20:29, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for looking into it. Fæ (talk) 20:55, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks Bencherlite!! -- Cirt (talk) 04:15, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

I need your help
Its been agreed Miyamoto Usagi needs splitting but can you do it I tried and seem to make a hash of it could you do it instead. Dwanyewest (talk) 20:25, 30 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Perhaps try asking for help at talk pages for relevant WikiProjects. -- Cirt (talk) 04:14, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/World Diaspora Organization
HiCirt,

there are 2 other articles co-nominated. Can you make closure on them also? –Moondyne 00:26, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
 * ✅. -- Cirt (talk) 04:15, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

Children of the Stars

 * hey, if you can think of any articles that could legitimately link to Children of the Stars, I would be grateful. Thanks. &bull; Ling.Nut 00:43, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Nice work on it! Will think about this, -- Cirt (talk) 04:15, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

Request for assistance with SPA religious warrior
The article Ebionites is currently dramatically unbalanced because of the insistent edits of two editors, one of whom has already been placed on an edit restriction related to the article for a year. The other is an SPA who, based on the current structure of the article, has given me the clear impression that he is a neo-Ebionite who is trying to ensure that the article is structured to be consistent with and promote neo-Ebionite beliefs. His mainspace article edit history as is visible here, shows that he has edited articles directly related to the Ebionites 454 times to 101 of all other articles. And I count articles that he edited to remove content related to a source now counted as being fringe after the ArbCom from peripherally related articles in the second grouping. The facts of the matter, as are at least indicated by the extensive quotes from recent literature at User talk:John Carter/Ebionites, is that the term seems to have been used for several hundred years, both before and after the time of Jesus, as a self-designation by any number of groups. Maybe the phrase "the victim" as it was used in the 1990s is the closest comparison I can come up with. The SPA's recent conduct, in both copying the behavior of the editor who had already been banned for a year and now promoting the inclusion of material which the SPA had previously opposed, Eisenman and Tabor, makes it very difficult to think that there may not have been some sort of agreement to the effect that they will support each other's material, in the conduct guidelines violation way they have been.

I am full well aware that I will have to quote in full the comments from the encyclopedias on the page linked to above as well as other sources, so as to be able to present that material in defense of what is the consensus academic viewpoint, and that will probably take a few weeks. However, at that point, I would welcome the input of another neutral party to help ensure that the article finally, eventually, is a reasonable one. The subject, unfortunately, obscure as it is, is also one of the most important articles relevant to early Christianity, and even has significant influence beyond that in terms of the monarchianism christology that is attributed to them.

I would be willing to forward e-mails from you regarding some of the statements I referenced above, which I think you might find amusing. John Carter (talk) 14:46, 31 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Before you waste your time with this, talk to Jayjg. He is currently mediating the content dispute on the article.  The above editor is taking this to a personal level and trying to make it into something it is not.  Feel free to contact me directly on my talk page if you have any questions. Cheers. Ovadyah (talk) 16:35, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Read the comments of the above editor elsewhere. It will be clear that he is deliberately engaging in conduct which, according to a quote which can be found at SlimVirgin's talk page, is taken by people who have no intention to respond to the matters of substance they are facing. The fact that the above editor has been leaving little notes virtually everywhere rather than face a simple matter of editing the article in question to conform to WP:SS regarding Gospel of the Ebionites, and his own outlandish "I hate you's" which he not only added to pages, but then restored after they are deleted per WP:TPG, indicate that he takes it very personally, which can be understood about an editor whose history is 80% explicitly on a single topic. The real content dispute, which he has ignored as per the article talk page, is about whether the article should reflect that Irenaeus, Epiphanius, and others are describing the same group or not. And, like I said, I think the e-mails I could forward would be immensely revelaing. John Carter (talk) 16:50, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Okay, will try to get a chance to look at this a bit. -- Cirt (talk) 17:35, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Gareth McConnell
Not sure, but this is the first time I've seen an AFD with no votes and closed as delete and aside for the nominator no comments were made (safe a second relist rationale). Usually in this situation it (often Ron Ritzman was doing this) was closed as no-consensus with no objections for another discussion - also to avoid a Deletion review as well. Just an observation here. JForget 00:55, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
 * It had already been relisted, twice, in fact. -- Cirt (talk) 00:59, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I know, I meant to say that no one participated after 3 weeks, they usually close it as no consensus or no participation (or whatever), and it was the first instance like that ended with a deletion - so I was a bit surprised with that outcome - not there is any obligation though for any admin to keep the article. I was just curious about that outcome JForget  01:23, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Ah, okay thanks. -- Cirt (talk) 01:26, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Yes. I normally close these "no consensus" if I get to them first. However, for BLPs I first check to see if there are sources and instead recommend incubation if there aren't any. I'm currently looking at the google cache for this article and most of the sources are dead links. If someone is interested in this article then I recommend incubation. --Ron Ritzman (talk) 01:42, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
 * If requested, would not be opposed to that. -- Cirt (talk) 01:47, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Lincoln County Sheriff's Office (Nebraska)
Just so that you know: I re-used some of the deleted content, so I undeleted it to preserve the author attribution. Uncle G (talk) 02:04, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
 * You probably should have deferred to another admin, to do that. -- Cirt (talk) 02:34, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

General observation
I've noticed over the years that many editors have been tolerant and understanding of some of your ... um ... lesser fortunate moments on Wiki. Do you 'spose you could consider returning the favor? If you can't avoid observing ignoring ArbCom directives, perhaps you'd rather stand for the next ArbCom elections? Sandy Georgia (Talk) 17:52, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Please note that the CU check of ✅ resulted for new sock activity after the de-sysop of the account, and after the block on the  account. -- Cirt (talk) 17:56, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
 * The committee made it abundantly clear that aspects of this situation make it unsuitable to be handled on-wiki. Why you chose to make several dozen edits on-wiki pursuing the matter is beyond me. Please direct future concerns to arbcom-l@lists.wikimedia.org – xeno <sup style="color:black;">talk 17:58, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Will do. Please note, however, that the ongoing socking was disrupting an open AFD. -- Cirt (talk) 17:59, 1 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Yes, Cirt-- good for you at missing my not so obtuse point, now back off please. I suspect the Wiki won't break if you leave this area. Sandy Georgia (Talk) 18:00, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I see you just can't resist yourself; that is a concern that I intend to think about. Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 18:17, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Have thought about it, and listed the AFD at Deletion sorting in multiple subsections, in order to generate a wider array of input. :) -- Cirt (talk) 18:23, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, I see you are still missing the broader point. You don't really want to provoke the Mother Bear in me, do you ?  I am asking you to please find a new area of focus; it is abundantly clear that this article will take care of itself with or without you.  Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 18:26, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
 * It would be more constructive communication to discuss this in a more polite tone. Perhaps it would be beneficial for both of us to take a break from engaging in back and forth discussion over this issue. Thank you! -- Cirt (talk) 18:28, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
 * It most certainly would, since you've really pushed my buttons. Over and out.  Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 18:30, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

If you're looking for something different to do...
... then there's always WP:FPOC and the discussion at WT:FPOC! BencherliteTalk 18:01, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks! ;) -- Cirt (talk) 18:01, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Update: :) -- Cirt (talk) 18:03, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
 * and ✅ by the look of it. Thanks; I know you're busy. BencherliteTalk 19:46, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
 * You are welcome! And thank you for acknowledging this, and for thanking me! That is most appreciated! Cheers, -- Cirt (talk) 19:47, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Films' negative reception
Hello, Cirt! I wanted to ask you about something. I noticed that at Knight and Day, the film's poor box office performance is hammered home awfully strong. I do not disagree that the film performed poorly, but there is overwrought inclusion of various statements saying this. To an outsider, the presentation of these statements does not seem to be a neutral characterization. For example, the entire third paragraph of the "Box office" section is fundamentally repetitious and could be distilled to one or two statements. I noticed this approach of a film's negative reception with Inchon (film) as well where the "Reviews" section mostly sounds like a lineup of critics saying "this film is bad" over and over. Please reconsider your approach with this kind of reception. At Knight and Day, we can report the film's poor performance in fewer words. The "Critical response" section of that article appears alright in tone, but the section samples over twenty reviews! The first paragraph makes the general consensus of the film evident, there is nothing to prove with a large number of samples. A smaller number of them that adequately identify the film's positive and negative traits should be chosen and used. Could that section be trimmed to 5-10 reviews, which is still the range of "a lot"? The policy is to ensure that the article is reasonably sized, and I think that can be done here. Erik (talk &#124; contribs) 18:14, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Hello, Erik, I hope you are doing well. Thank you for reaching out to me in such a polite and congenial manner, it is most appreciated. :) Generally I like to include a wide sampling of secondary sources in these types of articles. If we could work on perhaps trimming some text down, whilst keeping the actual cited sources themselves, perhaps that would be an agreeable compromise. :) -- Cirt (talk) 18:16, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Please stop
Hello Cirt,

Please desist from pursuing the matter further on-wiki. As we have already made abundantly clear, the matter involves matters of privacy. If you have concerns, address them by email to the Committee. &mdash; Coren (talk) 19:49, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Agreed, and I have. Thank you. -- Cirt (talk) 19:50, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Talkback

 * Okay, thanks. -- Cirt (talk) 00:31, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

150th featured portal
Hi, thanks for the suggestion at the SP page. We've included this at the F and A draft. Please take a look and give us your feedback. Tony  (talk)  04:35, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Looks pretty good so far. Thank you! :) -- Cirt (talk) 05:13, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

Closure of Articles for deletion/Agni Air Flight 101
Can you please expand on your one word closure of this Afd, because I simply cannot see how, on strength of arguments made, how this is a keep outcome. The keep arguments were either provably false - '14 deaths is auto-notable, scheduled aircrashes are auto-notable, hull losses are auto-notable, investigated aircrashes are auto-notable', or simply vague missives about tragedy or significance or cultural bias. No keep voter adequately demonstrated that this was not a NOT#NEWS case, for which simple international coverage is not enough to prove lasting notability or historical significance. MickMacNee (talk) 13:43, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
 * There was indeed strong consensus to keep. Perhaps you can engage those editors and attempt to improve the article with them, through discussion at the article's talk page. If, after a period of time of say a few months, you are still not satisfied with the state of the article, feel free to nominate it for another AFD. -- Cirt (talk) 17:05, 31 August 2010 (UTC)


 * Please note: Deletion review/Log/2010 September 2. MickMacNee (talk)
 * Thank you for the notification. -- Cirt (talk) 20:49, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

Wheelie (Transformers) Closing debate
I got to admit I am a little dissapointed that that debate for that was closed already. I was planning to find sources for that article but I was on a trip for a while before I had a chance. Oh well I probably wouldn't have find any anyways because I am not good at that. But it's the thought that counts. Jhenderson 7 7 7  17:16, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
 * You could work on a draft version within a subpage of your userspace if you like. :) -- Cirt (talk) 19:32, 2 September 2010 (UTC)


 * I might could do that. I've done stuff like that before. But I knew very little about the character then and I was hoping to retrieve some of the sources to help prove from what was already said in the article. I'll see what I can do though. Jhenderson  7 7 7  19:42, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

Userfication of Neon Sarcastic
Thanks for userfying this article; I've managed to clean up the draft considerably, now comes the most difficult process, referencing it. Please watch out for subtle differences like this in future though ;)  Giftiger Wunsch   [TALK]  23:47, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Your userpage design makes it hard to see that. -- Cirt (talk) 23:51, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
 * How do you mean?  Giftiger Wunsch   [TALK]  23:57, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Usually I look for the "User:NAME", in black, at the top left of the page. Yours had some kind of funky design, so I copy/pasted the black text a little further down on the same page. Just to let you know, might cause others confusion in the future, is all. Cheers, -- Cirt (talk) 23:58, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Ah, I see. In retrospect I probably should have created my account as Giftiger Wunsch instead of Giftiger wunsch (since it's the proper grammar and thus the preferred way of referring to the name), but it's a bit too late to comfortably do that now. Thanks for pointing out the potential cause of confusion there.  Giftiger Wunsch   [TALK]  00:00, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
 * No worries, -- Cirt (talk) 00:03, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

Anderson Cooper
My edits were factual. I will revert your edits and provide sources. Thank you. 192.77.143.150 (talk) 00:11, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

Unblock request from Mattlore
There is an unblock request at User talk:Mattlore, and, since you placed the block, I thought I would consult you before taking any action. You said "You have been blocked temporarily from editing for Disruption, at South Sydney Rabbitohs, reverting against talk page consensus." I agree that the edits were questionable, but as far as I can see there were only three of them over a period of 13 days (two of them on one day), the user was not warned, and the last edit was made the day before the issue came to be discussed on the talk page. Please correct me if I have missed anything, but that is how it looks to me, and on that basis my inclination would be to unblock. JamesBWatson (talk) 08:17, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks a lot for your reply on my talk page. I have posted another comment there. JamesBWatson (talk) 09:17, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

Klosterbergen
I'm distressed you relisted the AfD; I totally rewrote the article, moved it to a correct title, and have it up for DYK consideration. Is there anything can be done about this or is it just one of those things? After another week it will be too stale for DYK, but obviously I am biased on the issue of whether it should be kept (in its new form) or not.Yngvadottir (talk) 05:27, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
 * It can still be eligible for DYK, the whole being-on-AFD thing pushes that back a bit. -- Cirt (talk) 05:28, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Afraid not: Guess that's that :-( Yngvadottir (talk) 17:54, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
 * You can start a thread to discuss that, at Wikipedia talk:Did you know, there should be allowances made, for those exact situations. -- Cirt (talk) 17:56, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Update: -- Cirt (talk) 18:32, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, there's still no one else participating. I figured the AfD would be closed (keep or no consensus) in time for the article to be considered - that's why I was frustrated when you relisted it, because the extra week meant the nomination would go stale. In retrospect I should have done my article saving on the seventh day of the AfD, but I've known them to be closed early while I'm screaming "Hang on! I have sources in Icelandic!" . . . so I now drop everything for a rescue rewrite. Yngvadottir (talk)
 * The AFD has to be closed, first. -- Cirt (talk) 03:32, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

Thank you
No problem for the stub. Someone will probably take over the rest of the article (I usually do only the drafts, unless I know the subject well). This surreal event was indeed unknown to me. Glad to have discover a new thing ans good job for the FA : all the credit goes to you. Cheers. Like tears in rain (talk) 09:05, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Sydney Roosters
Hi. Can you look at this article that you protected last week. There is a clear consensus in the discussion that the list of famous fans violated undue weight and Talk:Sydney_Roosters. However, Jeff79 continues to revert on analogous articles. There was no movement on these unlocked GA/GAN articles during the period that the Roosters page was analogously locked, but Jeff is unwilling to accept consensus under any reason. He claims that in the discussion there are some caveats that justify his ignoring of the vote/consensus but there are none. If you click on the list of supporters in his edit in S Sydney, none mention any notable activism, sponsorship of the club, only that they are "fans"  YellowMonkey  ( new photo poll )  02:28, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Stop x nuvola with clock.svg User(s) blocked. -- Cirt (talk) 02:38, 1 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks, another of his mates, User:Mattlore is at it again; he also was in the minority on the Roosters poll  YellowMonkey  ( new photo poll )  05:43, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Stop x nuvola with clock.svg User(s) blocked. -- Cirt (talk) 14:44, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Hi, Jeff is back and at it. The part in question, apart from consensus claims that the listed people were notable activists in thte dispute. The refs attached no such thing but he is simply pretending to be deaf  YellowMonkey  ( new photo poll )  09:33, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
 * See, followed by . -- Cirt (talk) 09:44, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh I hadn't noticed the two piled on top of each other  YellowMonkey  ( new photo poll )  01:21, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Church of Scientology editing on Wikipedia
<span style="font-family:Verdana,sans-serif"> — <b style="color:#060;">Rlevse</b> • Talk  • 18:04, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you, Rlevse, much appreciated. -- Cirt (talk) 18:05, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
 * The signature lies. Again, good work on that article. And now, a bribe. If you write a guide to Featured portals, I'll renovate another portal and send it to Featured portal nominations :) <span style="font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica"><b style="color:#731A25;">Res</b> Mar 03:12, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the kind words. I will try to get to it, but got some other things going on at the moment. I have seen your multiple requests, thanks. -- Cirt (talk) 03:33, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I just think it's very important. No more. <span style="font-family:Verdana,Arial,Helvetica"><b style="color:#731A25;">Res</b> Mar 02:30, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

Rick Ross (consultant)
Thanks for your help. I wasn't sure how to do the disambig thing at the top of the page.Kitfoxxe (talk) 17:09, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

GA review of Final Blackout
I started the review of Final Blackout at Talk:Final Blackout/GA1. I will be leaving lots of feedback there so be ready! Sadads (talk) 22:32, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

AN/I: False accusations of vandalism
Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there currently is a discussion at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ovadyah (talk • contribs)
 * Okay, thanks for the notice. -- Cirt (talk) 21:57, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

While on the subject, a portion of my 4 September edit of the Oksana Grigorieva entry was reverted with the comment "fix prev vandalism." I don't have a problem with the reversion, but I don't feel the "vandalism" label was warranted. Cmholm (talk) 10:58, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
 * That was not meant to refer to you, sorry. -- Cirt (talk) 19:42, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

Living Control
You deleted a page for Living Control. This is an important page as the company has gone in administration. Therfore several groups are being setup with links to support and advice over this matter and products. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.145.140.29 (talk) 10:45, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Suggest you first create an account. Then, you could work on a proposed draft version, within a subpage of your userspace. -- Cirt (talk) 19:42, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

AFD closure
While Articles for deletion/Johanna Carreño was closed correctly based on the circumstances that existed at the time (unreferenced BLP, nothing turned up in the AFD), there's actually a lot of coverage of this girl in the Spanish-language press. Restoring the article might be more efficient than starting over. Peter Karlsen (talk) 01:29, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I would be most willing to provide it, in your userspace as a subpage, so you could work on a proposed draft version. :) -- Cirt (talk) 01:46, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
 * That would be great, thanks. Peter Karlsen (talk) 01:48, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
 * ✅, now at User:Peter Karlsen/Johanna Carreño. -- Cirt (talk) 02:55, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

Proposed Quidco article
Hi again, I've made some additions to the proposed Quidco article on my Talk page at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Stuartcoggins#Proposed_Quidco_article and was wondering if you could take another look? Many thanks, Stuart

Stuartcoggins (talk) 16:02, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Try working on it on a separate page, at User:Stuartcoggins/Sandbox. -- Cirt (talk) 17:30, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you, I've now moved the article to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Stuartcoggins/Sandbox and developed it a little more. Stuartcoggins (talk) 11:18, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
 * If the article requires more development, please let me know. Alternatively, if the article that was in place just prior to deletion could be restored, I think that was a well-written and neutral piece, so if that were possible, that would be great. Stuartcoggins (talk) 15:06, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Needs to demonstrate significant coverage in reliable secondary sources independent of the subject, per WP:NOTE. Please also read WP:RS, WP:V, and WP:CITE and WP:CIT. -- Cirt (talk) 15:54, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you, I will work on that and get back to you. Stuartcoggins (talk) 15:56, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Okay, sounds good. :) -- Cirt (talk) 17:29, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

Tiny Ross
I see you deleted this as a hoax? He may not be notable, and I have no idea whether the details in the article were true, but he was certainly a real actor and appeared in three films, most notably Time Bandits... Was hoax really the right criteria to delete this article? Yworo (talk) 19:07, 7 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Feel free to recreate it, seems it was created in this instance, by a problem user. -- Cirt (talk) 19:11, 7 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Nah, there's not really enough biographical data available. It's possible that the content was completely made up. The only real reliable source is a book on Monty Python and it only includes him in a cast list, no details. Yworo (talk) 19:14, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

Housekeeping
Hello - you closed this AfD as keep, however the AfD template is still displaying on the article page. --<b style="color:navy;">Jezebel's</b> Ponyo <sup style="color:navy;">shhh 18:34, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
 * ✅. -- Cirt (talk) 04:36, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

Featured Portal review
Hey Cirt. Can you close Portal:Business and economics FPR? There hasn't been any edits on the article since August 3rd and there's still problems to it. GamerPro64 (talk) 20:55, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Left notes for a couple users. -- Cirt (talk) 23:07, 9 September 2010 (UTC)

Dammit Cirt
You beat me to all my closes today :( (at least we agreed on them) --Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:23, 10 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Sorry, and great! -- Cirt (talk) 00:24, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

Betamax VOIP
Can someone please explain to me why this page was deleted? It had a ready reference to all the various products available from Betamax. This was not as someone has said marketing because its actually not in Betamax's interest to have this page published...a little basic economics will tell you this. Each of the products competes with the others...in different markets. Its like having a DVD available in 15 different countries. This page told you which countries it was available in so that you could check the prices in each country and then buy it from the cheapest! There was no hint of marketing in the article it was purely informational and very useful too! If listing out all the products a company sells is marketing then I can think of a lot of pages on large Multinational Companies that will also have to be deleted.

Hope someone will see the light.

Cheers, Mahtab —Preceding unsigned comment added by 165.228.221.74 (talk) 11:09, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I would suggest first you register for an account on Wikipedia. Then, you could work on a proposed draft version, within a subpage of your userpage space. -- Cirt (talk) 14:44, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

I am not proposing to work on a new draft I am proposing that the old article be reinstated. I have not written the previous article nor am I connected with Betamax in anyway. I am a user who found that article extremely useful and was quite disappointed to find the article deleted and also the reasons for the deletion. I don't have either the technical expertise or the time to learn how to discuss these things on Wikipedia however I don't see that as a reason to stay muted. I apologise if I haven't followed any protocl etc that is required here but I think I've made my point. Can you please review the previously deleted article and view it in the new light as I have suggested and I am sure that you will find that it is a neutral article written purely for the purposes of keeping the public informed and helping them make informed choices.

Cheers, Mahtab —Preceding unsigned comment added by 165.228.221.74 (talk) 11:49, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
 * You might find it worthwhile to at the very least attempt to try the recommended suggestion, above. -- Cirt (talk) 19:43, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

You are recommending that I open an account! Is this some devious scheme to get more people to sign up? Do you get some kind of commission for that? This discussion is against the spirit that Wikipedia was founded on! All I am asking is that you reconsider your decision...as a neutral party. I think you've been too harsh. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 165.228.221.74 (talk) 09:41, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

Blocking dummy available
Wow, you're following up on some of my old COI tags. At this rate, you'll be the blocking king at the end of the night. Too bad I haven't been too active lately but there are a couple of recent ones from the past week. moreno oso (talk) 04:35, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Heh, thanks! -- Cirt (talk) 04:37, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
 * You're laughing and I'm serious! When I sometimes go on a Recent changes patrol, some of those COI jokers will find a nice little tag on their talkpage. I could make Rosey Grier look like a toothpick when I go plowing through; hence the blocking dummy would be me. moreno oso (talk) 04:50, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Rosey Grier is a cool dude, per Portal:Textile arts/Selected quote/2. -- Cirt (talk) 04:52, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
 * It's kind of funny but that whole Ram front four had a very humanistic, in touch with their inner spirit side. Now, call them a pansy to their face and you might be missing some teeth. My Dad used to force me to watch his "Lambs". He always swore at Roman Gabriel whenever they started losing. moreno oso (talk) 05:01, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Picking up from where you left on yesterday? I wonder how many users I tagged with COIs in June and July. I'll try to work on September tonight so that you'll have something to do in a month or so. ;_) moreno oso (talk) 00:59, 10 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Okay, thanks! -- Cirt (talk) 01:00, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

Now serving number one. moreno oso (talk) 03:19, 10 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Now serving number two. moreno oso (talk) 03:42, 10 September 2010 (UTC)
 * When you get to August, let me know. Looks like you're working July now. moreno oso (talk) 03:21, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Not sure what you mean by the other above messages. -- Cirt (talk) 03:23, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Which ones? If you're talking about number one and number two, the first was a COI who became or was a sock of number two that I saw later last night. Another admin blocked them at Sockpuppet investigations/EdwinHarbor. Otherwise, you've been clearing up some of COI usernames dating back awhile. I noticed that you did several today as well. moreno oso (talk) 03:27, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh, thank you! :) -- Cirt (talk) 03:27, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
 * No, thank you. I noted that you went to May, moved to June and did some from July. September's been a little slow but I'm working on it. ;) moreno oso (talk) 03:30, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Sounds good, -- Cirt (talk) 03:32, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

A Very Merry Unauthorized Children's Scientology Pageant
Hello, I have discovered this article by sheer luck and I have found it very interesting. The idea of this musical is just awesome ! It would be too bad if I did not try to translate it. Now, this play have at least one article in french :) Dosto 86.71.74.243 (talk) 01:26, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you! -- Cirt (talk) 03:19, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

There was no Russia in 1970.
It was called the Russian SFSR-the Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic. That's common knowledge. That doesn't need to be cited. Don't dumb down Wikipedia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 139.84.242.65 (talk) 02:00, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Please discuss, at Talk:Oksana Grigorieva, thanks. -- Cirt (talk) 03:19, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

OneVietnam Network, previously deleted--can it be put up again?
Hi, a couple of months ago I created a page for OneVietnam Network. It was deleted because there were doubts on its significance and there was a lack of coverage on it. Since then, there has been a lot of new coverage on OneVietnam Network. If I want to create the page again, do I have to go through you (the deleting admin), or is it okay if I save new page again? Thank you very much for your time. Clockmonster (talk) 03:39, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
 * I would suggest first working on it, as a proposed draft version, within a subpage off of your userpage space. -- Cirt (talk) 03:40, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

AfD closure of EXtremeDB
You are invited to join the discussion at Editor_assistance/Requests. I'm sorry that the discussion there has got rather long. I think the relevant point is that in this AfD you may have overlooked the nominator's withdrawal of the nomination. -- John of Reading (talk) 16:25, 11 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Nod, the user is welcome to come to me, here. -- Cirt (talk) 03:06, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

Old username concerns
Hi Cirt - You seem to be doing a great job of cleaning up (blocking) the old usernames that I have tagged as concerns. I am just wondering if you have any script or any dated category or if you are just going through the overall username category manually. I was going to use AWB to do the same, but if you've already found a good semi-automated way of doing it I'll let you finish (or I'm happy to replicate what you are doing). Let me know. Thanks. 7 00:08, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Was doing it manually, without a script. -- Cirt (talk) 03:05, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok - thanks. Can tell you are busy with it, because you show up as like half of my watchlist edits.   7  03:18, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Heh, thanks for the kind words! :) -- Cirt (talk) 03:19, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

Review request
Hello, Cirt. I'm posting here as I saw you were online while watching recent changes. Coincidentally, (your username popped up blocking for a username) this is regarding a username block I recently executed. If you have the time, would you check to make sure the block was warranted and executed properly? Feel free to undo my block or alter it as you see fit. Let me know and I'll make any apology to the user that's needed. Thanks  Tide  rolls  03:21, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Responded there. :) -- Cirt (talk) 03:23, 12 September 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the quick action. See ya 'round   Tide  rolls  03:29, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
 * You are most welcome. :) -- Cirt (talk) 03:30, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Lady Gaga: Queen of Pop
The article Lady Gaga: Queen of Pop you nominated as a good article has been placed on hold. The article is close to meeting the good article criteria, but there are some minor changes or clarifications needed to be addressed. If these are fixed within seven days, the article will pass, otherwise it will fail. See Talk:Lady Gaga: Queen of Pop for things which need to be addressed. Jezhotwells (talk) 10:52, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks, responded there. :) -- Cirt (talk) 18:18, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

Request for clarification
A request for clarification has been filed per  Although it may not affect you directly, your name has been mentioned or referenced.(olive (talk) 20:39, 12 September 2010 (UTC))

Deletion of article Polar Tree
You deleted my article Polar Tree. Obviously to me the procedure of deleting of articles in Wikipedia is hypocritical with fake and orchestrated discussion similar to mid centuries inquisition court when executed heretic was provided the right to express his views before the judges who already made decisions. In my case the article described modification of known algorithm in data compression. This is not new research but slight modification of old research leading to certain benefits - that means no original research. I provided two independent links. One link to Google site where software developer incorporated my algorithm to his program and achieved certain benefits. Another link from expert in data compression Matt Mahoney who maintain largest data compression benchmark. On his site Matt reexplained my algorithm to readers confirming by this action the novelty, because all other known algorithms on his site not explained but mentioned. The individual that suggested to remove the article changed his opinion on the opposite and suggested to keep the article. The other two reviewers suggested to ask expert opinion. At this point someone who orchestrated the deleting of the article saw that well orchestrated action failing brought new player Whpq who is totally incompetent in the subject and has many 5 lines articles about nothing. When another new vote was obtained you deleted the article. I can explain why I believe that Wikipedia orchestrated the deletion. My references are real, strong and independent. People found my algorithm without my soliciting. It is much better than publication in the journal because articles are sent by authors to the journals where one of the authors was previously published and sending is backed up by set of phone calls to editor-in-chief. It is arranged. Frequently the author without connection include the co-author with connections for the article to be published. In my case the researcher not just approved but took the algorithm and implemented it into a software. Needless to say that 99% of what is published in technical journals is junk that never implemented by anyone. When discussion went into wrong direction new member Whpq appeared out of nowhere. And what is the reason that this individual having no idea about data compression suddenly read my article about data compression checked my references and found them unreliable. Look at what he writes - the data compression is out of his interest. The explanation is simple he was told to look and provide an opinion necessary to have an excuse to delete the article. I can also explain why I believe that decisions are made by some man in the shadow. During discussion I pointed out the other article as classical example of material without notability, references and even explanation. It is article about ROLZ algorithm. Why all these critics that are very far from data compression found my article and did not notice the other article about data compression, that has no references at all and does not even provide an explanation and stay in Wikipedia over 2 years. The answer is simple. Because they were not told to do that. I mentioned in discussion that there is nothing wrong with ROLZ algorithm, but it is not publicly explained so there is notability issue, no references, not at all, nothing because it was proprietary, it was not published. Since I have my own web site where I can publish everything I decide. I will write an article about process of evaluation the articles in Wikipedia. My conclusion that articles must get back door approval by someone in control through connections otherwise independently on provided references they will be deleted and references will be announced unreliable. As scientist I have one role to deliver the people the explanation how the world is functioning. This is what scientists normally do. I think I have to explain to visitors of my site that publications in Wikipedia are arranged through the back door leading to administration that will help people to make right solution, avoid wasting time and so on. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.244.80.58 (talk) 04:42, 13 September 2010 (UTC)
 * Suggest you register an account, then you could work on a proposed draft version, within a subpage of your userspace page. -- Cirt (talk) 12:40, 13 September 2010 (UTC)