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Order of the Rising Sun
I quite like your innovative edit to Order of the Rising Sun. It improves the array in an immediately clear way. Good work. --Tenmei (talk) 18:38, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I just happened to stumble upon this page. There is a more generic "multi column" template, but I couldn't find it now. I also just changed the surname firstname linking, because it is not correct to have "surprise links" (where a link says one thing, i.e. "surname", but the link unexpectedly goes to that specific person's page) — Deon Steyn (talk) 18:43, 25 March 2008 (UTC)


 * I myself was uncertain about how best to handle Musa Ghiatuddin Riayat Shah, Sultan of Selangor (1893-1955) ...? In this context, it doesn't much matter; however, the issue re-asserts itself with recipients of the Order of the Chrysanthemum.  I avoiding any possible problems by simply doing nothing at all.  Your choices seem better than mine -- right or wrong, and I suspect that there really is no "right" or "wrong" in terms of how to handle a series of name in this article or in Order of the Sacred Treasure.  Maybe it might have been possible for someone else to create a problem with Ozaki Yukio, but it obviously caused no confusion whatsoever as far as you're concerned.


 * What I hadn't considered was the "surprise links" factor you've identified above. I simply didn't construe the issues to include this as a plausible concern, and I now see things differently.


 * Since you have taken more than a moment to look at these Imperial decorations pages, perhaps I might press a little further with a few questions:
 * 1. I've conventionally added birth/death dates for those recipients who are no longer living.  Good enough?  Can you think of a better way to handle this?
 * 2. I've identified the year in which the honor was bestowed -- right after the name in the case of those recipients who are still living, and at the beginning of the associated in-line citation when the honoree is not living. Good enough?  Can you think of a better way to handle this?
 * 3. I've associated a verifying in-line citation with any and all names, regardless of whether the name has an internal link to a Wikipedia article. Good enough?  Can you think of a better way to handle this?
 * 4 I've not really figured out a way to link those recipients who have received multiple honors, but it doesn't occur often enough to have become much of an issue.  Nevertheless, would that have seemed helpful or superfluous?  Does this make sense to you?  Do you have any comments or suggestions?
 * 5 As it happens, the first non-Japanese to actually receive his Order directly from Emperor Meiji was the American, Jacob Schiff.  There is a distinction, but I'm persuaded that in this specific article, it probably does not matter whether the honor is bestowed directly by the emperor or by an ambassador.  That becomes something which can be explained (or not) in the article about the specific honoree.  Does this make sense to you?  Do you have any comments or suggestions?
 * Questions do tend to accumulate, but I don't need answers -- not really. If these seem at all onerous, please give it no further thought.  --Tenmei (talk) 20:24, 25 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Normally the wikilink (or wl for short) should show what is being linked to, the term I couldn't remember yesterday was "easter egg" links :-) It is discussed in this guidelines Piped link. I did not evaluate firstname/surname order as it seemed the previous editors had already examined this. The rest of the lists looks fine to me, but feel free to go crazy and change whatever you like :-)
 * It did strike me that a "infobox" or "navbox" to put on each page instead of the "see also" section which is a little plain and boring. I'll hack something together going from examples in WikiProject Orders, Decorations, and Medals/Project Templates (bottom of page)...
 * ps. For a numbered list like your 5 points abobve, you can use # instead of * ;-)
 * — Deon Steyn (talk) 11:51, 26 March 2008 (UTC)


 * I created a new template (Template:Honors and decorations of Japan) and put it in the "See also" sections of all the orders. See the templates talk page Template talk:Japanese Honors and Decorations for more suggestions and ideas to expand it. —&nbspDeon Steyn (talk) 12:18, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Medals of Honour (Japan)‎
Yes -- once again your approach is better. At this stage of Wikipedia development, I expect this to be the slowest growing of the Japanese categories; but it promises to become the most unwieldy in due course. Your modest format-change more effectively anticipates the likely future prospects. Good edit. --Tenmei (talk) 12:58, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Broken named reference in Oil price increases since 2003
I fixed what seemed to be a broken named reference in Oil price increases since 2003 (the invalid reference had "Kramer" instead of "Krane"). I also moved the references about Iraq in 2006 from the 2004 section to the 2006 section. It seems you originally added that content to this revision. You may want to check my diff to make sure I properly interpreted the article's history and I understood your intent. If you were not the original editor then never mind. --Teratornis (talk) 20:20, 27 March 2008 (UTC)


 * No, your corrections are correct ;-) Thanks for cleaning up after me! — Deon Steyn (talk) 20:34, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

List of camouflage patterns: Conversion of all sections to table format completed
Hi, I just completed converting all sections to table format in your article List of camouflage patterns. What do you think of my job? (Please copy your reply onto the article's discussion page) -- Henrickson  User talk 08:24, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

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Berettas
You seem to know a lot about firearms. About 10 years ago here in NSW a man was sent to prison for life without parole for having organised the murder of a politician. Part of the evidence was that the firearm used was an unusual one. In a TV program today ( http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/content/2008/s2210163.htm ) it was described by the prosecutor as "...a very, very rare .35 calibre 1935 Beretta...". The list of Beretta firearms here in Wp lists two pre-WW2 Beretta pistols neither of which are .35s. My question is: did Beretta ever make such a weapon even as a prototype prior to WW2? Thanks for your time Albatross2147 (talk) 13:06, 7 April 2008 (UTC)


 * I'm not an expert on Berettas, but there are two cloudy issues in the quoted statement, namely the calibre and the Beretta model names. Firstly the caliber; just referring to a nominal caliber size doesn't tell us which cartridge it is. As you can see from the table of 9 mm calibers there are 15 pistol cartridges of ".35&thinsp;inch" caliber. Looking at this article on the history of the Model 1934/5 it could be either a .380 ACP (commonly known outside of the USA as "9mm short") or the 9&thinsp;mm Glisenti. As for the Berettas themselves, it seems the very popular Models 1934 and 1935 were indeed manufactured from the middle 1930's, i.e. pre-WW2 (and right into the 1990s!).
 * The Model 1935 (adopted by Italian Navy and Air force) developed from the Model 1931, both being chambered in the smaller .32 ACP (a.k.a. 7.65&thinsp;mm or 7.65&thinsp;mm Browning). The Italian Army adopted the larger 9mm/.35 caliber Model 1934 which developed from the Model 1932(there was also a later commercial version, the Model 1937). The infobox for the Beretta M 1934 appears to be wrong as it lists the smaller .32 caliber... I will correct. Because both the M1934 and M1935 were produced for such a long period, including chaotic times of war, and in such large numbers (1 milllion M1934s and 500,000 M1935) it is quite possible that many variants and odd combinations exist and an M1935 (usually 7,65) chambered in a larger 9mm short would indeed be unusual and probably what the court transcript referred to. Deon Steyn (talk) 19:44, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your help Albatross2147 (talk) 05:04, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

New York Accords
Hi Deon, please don't copy/paste copyright material as you did here from here. Cheers  Socrates2008 ( Talk )   11:51, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Ooops, sorry, have just realised that you moved it from another article.  Socrates2008 ( Talk )   13:40, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

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Deon, please take a look at this Mfd if you have a min. Cheers   Socrates2008 ( Talk )   12:47, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

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Grand Staircase-Escalante National Monument
Deon, I'm skeptical of your recent addition to Grand Staircase-Escalante National Monument and have opened a discussion regarding it on Talk:Grand Staircase-Escalante National Monument. Please join. Thanks! --R27182818 (talk) 14:49, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

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Win & Win
I hate to remove those links after you dug them up, but all they are is pictures of some nameless person shooting a bow. We need solid, textual references that will satisfy people who don't know any of these people by sight. -- Orange Mike  |   Talk  14:43, 2 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I agree that we need proper references, unfortunately I couldn't get in to the win-archery.com site and plonked down those in the mean time... where I'm sure they'd be listed. I'll try again from a difference computer. I see you also restored the notability... that is a bit trickier: used by and sponsor of Olympic champions, but perhaps no news coverage? — Deon Steyn (talk) 07:16, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

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Bugatti
Happy New Year! What does it mean, "The original Bugatti brand failed with the coming of World War II, like many high-end marques of the time"? The next few sentences talk about how it produced it's last car in the 1950s and closed in the 1960s. Maybe a bit can be put in about how it started up again after the war? I'd be happy to help, but I don't know anything about the company except that it was discussed in a Salman Rushdie novel, I saw a Veyron in Beverly Hills, and there was just a BBC story about one of their cars found in a garage (link to story). Cheers! ChildofMidnight (talk) 22:07, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

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Suid-Afrika
Halo Deon

Ek sien dat jy is ook vanaf Suid-Afrika! Sal graag bietjie meer met jou wil gesels. Ek werk ook baie aan die Grensoorlog bladsye. Het gesien jy het die tipe bladsye begin aanpas.

Groete Lourie Pieterse

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Murciélago edit
Hi - I reverted your addition as it featured no references for the data; if you have references please cite them in the re-edit. Thanks. Quaeler (talk) 13:01, 16 March 2009 (UTC)


 * I would ask that you not remove new content simply because it is not cited. A citation request would have been more appropriate and a simple internet search would have revealed many sources for the information. I have revert back to my version and added a citation. — Deon Steyn (talk) 05:23, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Irish Rugby Player Flags
I removed to tricolour from Neil Best and Alan Quinlan as Irish rugby players don't play under the tricolour but rather the IRFU flag which can't be used due to copyright issues. G ain  Line    ♠  ♥ 09:52, 29 June 2009 (UTC)


 * And their nationality? Sorry for the confusion, but the flags are meant to indicate nationality only, not whether the have represented their country. They are Irish citizens? Thanks for the help. — Deon Steyn (talk) 10:03, 29 June 2009 (UTC)


 * I have restored the flags, Union flag in the case of Best (Northern Ireland) and Ireland flag in the case of Quinlan. In both cases I judged by their place of birth what their nationalities were. — Deon Steyn (talk) 10:11, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Hi, See talk on List of rugby union players banned for eye gouging. I see where you're going but its a very delicate area. G ain  Line    ♠  ♥ 10:40, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

List of rugby union players banned for eye gouging
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Gert Smal
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Lockheed Martin C-130J Super Hercules
I like the way you charted the deliveries. The way I had set it up just didn't look right, but I didn't really have any idea how to proceed. I will probably port this over to other aircraft pages I work on. Thanks again! Ng.j (talk) 23:55, 18 July 2011 (UTC)


 * No worries, glad you like it. It's something I've used before and I prefer it to some graphics, because it's easier for someone else to add another row in future. — Deon Steyn (talk) 09:02, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

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Nomination of TAZ 90 (camouflage) for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article TAZ 90 (camouflage) is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Articles for deletion/TAZ 90 (camouflage) until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article.  Sandstein  21:55, 9 November 2016 (UTC)

Ways to improve TAZ 90 (camouflage)
Hi, I'm CaroleHenson. Deon Steyn, thanks for creating TAZ 90 (camouflage)!

I've just tagged the page, using our page curation tools, as having some issues to fix. Hi, I know it's been a long time since you created this article, but do you have sources for its content? Or, can you find some?

The tags can be removed by you or another editor once the issues they mention are addressed. If you have questions, you can leave a comment on my talk page. Or, for more editing help, talk to the volunteers at the Teahouse. CaroleHenson (talk) 16:36, 20 November 2016 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue CXXVIII, December 2016
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Merry, merry!
From the icy Canajian north; to you and yours! FWiW Bzuk (talk) 20:09, 25 December 2016 (UTC)

Voting for the Military history WikiProject Historian and Newcomer of the Year is ending soon!
Time is running out to voting for the Military Historian and Newcomer of the year! If you have not yet cast a vote, please consider doing so soon. The voting will end on 31 December at 23:59 UTC, with the presentation of the awards to the winners and runners up to occur on 1 January 2017. For the Military history WikiProject Coordinators, MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 05:02, 29 December 2016 (UTC)

This message was sent as a courtesy reminder to all active members of the Military History WikiProject.

The Bugle: Issue CXXIX, January 2017
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The Bugle: Issue CXXX, February 2017
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March Madness 2017
G'day all, please be advised that throughout March 2017 the Military history Wikiproject is running its March Madness drive. This is a backlog drive that is focused on several key areas:


 * tagging and assessing articles that fall within the project's scope
 * updating the project's currently listed A-class articles to ensure their ongoing compliance with the listed criteria
 * creating articles that are listed as "requested" on the project's various task force pages or other lists of missing articles.

As with past Milhist drives, there are points awarded for working on articles in the targeted areas, with barnstars being awarded at the end for different levels of achievement.

The drive is open to all Wikipedians, not just members of the Military history project, although only work on articles that fall (broadly) within the military history scope will be considered eligible. More information can be found here for those that are interested, and members can sign up as participants at that page also.

The drive starts at 00:01 UTC on 1 March and runs until 23:59 UTC on 31 March 2017, so please sign up now.

For the Milhist co-ordinators. Regards, AustralianRupert (talk) & MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 07:24, 26 February 2017 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue CXXXI, March 2017
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The Bugle: Issue CXXXII, April 2017
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The Bugle: Issue CXXXIII, May 2017
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The Bugle: Issue CXXXIV, June 2017
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The Bugle: Issue CXXXV, July 2017
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The Bugle: Issue CXXXVI, August 2017
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The Bugle: Issue CXXXVII, September 2017
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2017 Military history WikiProject Coordinator election
Greetings from the Military history WikiProject! Elections for the Military history WikiProject Coordinators are currently underway. As a member of the WikiProject you are cordially invited to take part by casting your vote(s) for the candidates on the election page. This year's election will conclude at 23:59 UTC 29 September. Thank you for your time. For the current tranche of Coordinators, AustralianRupert (talk) 10:39, 21 September 2017 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue CXXXVIII, October 2017
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The Bugle: Issue CXXXIX, November 2017
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2017 Military Historian of the Year and Newcomer of the Year nominations and voting
As we approach the end of the year, the Military History project is looking to recognise editors who have made a real difference. Each year we do this by bestowing two awards: the Military Historian of the Year and the Military History Newcomer of the Year. The co-ordinators invite all project members to get involved by nominating any editor they feel merits recognition for their contributions to the project. Nominations for both awards are open between 00:01 on 2 December 2017 and 23:59 on 15 December 2017. After this, a 14-day voting period will follow commencing at 00:01 on 16 December 2017. Nominations and voting will take place on the main project talkpage: here and here. Thank you for your time. For the co-ordinators, MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 08:35, 8 December 2017 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue CXL, December 2017
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User group for Military Historians
Greetings,

"Military history" is one of the most important subjects when speak of sum of all human knowledge. To support contributors interested in the area over various language Wikipedias, we intend to form a user group. It also provides a platform to share the best practices between military historians, and various military related projects on Wikipedias. An initial discussion was has been done between the coordinators and members of WikiProject Military History on English Wikipedia. Now this discussion has been taken to Meta-Wiki. Contributors intrested in the area of military history are requested to share their feedback and give suggestions at Talk:Discussion to incubate a user group for Wikipedia Military Historians.

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Seasons' Greetings
...to you and yours, from the Great White North! FWiW Bzuk (talk) 16:27, 24 December 2017 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue CXLI, January 2018
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The Bugle: Issue CXLII, February 2018
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The Bugle: Issue CXLIII, March 2018
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The Bugle: Issue CXLIIV, April 2018
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The Bugle: Issue CXLIV, May 2018
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The Bugle: Issue CXLVI, June 2018
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The Bugle: Issue CXLVII, July 2018
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The Bugle: Issue CXLVIII, August 2018
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The Bugle: Issue CXLIX, September 2018
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The Bugle: Issue CL, October 2018
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The Bugle: Issue CLI, November 2018
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The Bugle: Issue CLII, December 2018
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The Bugle: Issue CLIII, January 2019
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The Bugle: Issue CLIV, February 2019
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The Bugle: Issue CLV, March 2019
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The Bugle: Issue CLVI, April 2019
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The Bugle: Issue CLVII, May 2019
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The Bugle: Issue CLVIII, June 2019
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The Bugle: Issue CLIX, July 2019
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The Bugle: Issue CLX, August 2019
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The Bugle: Issue CLX, August 2019
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The Bugle: Issue CLXI, September 2019
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The Bugle: Issue CLXII, October 2019
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The Bugle: Issue CLXIII, November 2019
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The Bugle: Issue CLXIV, December 2019
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The Bugle: Issue CLXV, January 2020
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The Bugle: IssueICLXVI, February 2020
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The Bugle: Issue CLXVII, March 2020
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"List of rugby union players banned for contact with eyes or the eye area of an an opponent" listed at Redirects for discussion
An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect List of rugby union players banned for contact with eyes or the eye area of an an opponent. Since you had some involvement with the List of rugby union players banned for contact with eyes or the eye area of an an opponent redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so. Regards, SONIC  678  01:54, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue CLXVIII, April 2020
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The Bugle: Issue CLXIX, May 2020
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The Bugle: Issue CLXX, June 2020
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The Bugle: Issue CLXXI, July 2020
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The Bugle: Issue CLXXII, August 2020
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The Bugle: Issue Issue CLXXIII, September 2020
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The Bugle: Issue CLXXIV, October 2020
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The Bugle: Issue CLXXV, November 2020
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The Bugle: Issue CLXXVI, December 2020
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The Bugle: Issue CLXXVII, January 2021
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The Bugle: Issue CLXXVIII, February 2021
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The Bugle: Issue CLXXVIII, February 2021
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The Bugle: Issue CLXXIX, March 2021
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April 2021 WikiProject Military History Reviewing Drive
Hey y'all, the April 2021 WikiProject Military History Reviewing Drive begins at 00:01 UTC on April 1, 2021 and runs through 23:59 UTC on April 31, 2021. Points can be earned through reviewing articles on the AutoCheck report, reviewing articles listed at WP:MILHIST/ASSESS, reviewing MILHIST-tagged articles at WP:GAN or WP:FAC, and reviewing articles submitted at WP:MILHIST/ACR. Service awards and barnstars are given for set points thresholds, and the top three finishers will receive further awards. To participate, sign up at WikiProject_Military_History/April 2021 Reviewing Drive and create a worklist at WikiProject Military history/April 2021 Reviewing Drive/Worklists (examples are given). Further details can be found at the drive page. Questions can be asked at the drive talk page. MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 17:20, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue CLXXX, April 2021
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The Bugle: Issue CLXXXI, May 2021
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The Bugle: Issue CLXXXII, June 2021
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The Bugle: Issue CLXXXIII, July 2021
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The Bugle: Issue CLXXXIV, August 2021
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The Bugle: Issue CLXXXV, September 2021
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The Bugle: Issue CLXXXV, September 2021
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The Bugle: Issue CLXXV, October 2021
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The Bugle: Issue CLXXVI, November 2021
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The Bugle: Issue CLXXVII, December 2021
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The Bugle: Issue CLXXVIII, January 2022
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The Bugle: Issue CLXXVIV, February 2022
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The Bugle: Issue CLXXVII, March 2022
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The Bugle: Issue CLXXVIII, April 2022
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The Bugle: Issue CXCIII, May 2022
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The Bugle: Issue CXCIV, June 2022
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The Bugle: Issue CXCVI, July 2022
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The Bugle: Issue CXCVII, August 2022
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The Bugle: Issue CXCVIII, September 2022
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The Bugle: Issue CXCVIII, October 2022
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The Bugle: Issue CXCIX, November 2022
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The Bugle: Issue CC, December 2022
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The Bugle: Issue 201, January 2023
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The Bugle: Issue 202, February 2023
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The Bugle: Issue 203, March 2023
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The Bugle: Issue 204, April 2023
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The Bugle: Issue 205, May 2023
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The Bugle: Issue 205, May 2023
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The Bugle: Issue 206, June 2023
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The Bugle: Issue 207, July 2023
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The Bugle: Issue 208, August 2023
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The Bugle: Issue 209, September 2023
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The Bugle: Issue 210, October 2023
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