User talk:Jonesey95/Archive2020

About this edit
In this edit you edited Template parameter usage. However, you did not discuss this beforehand on the talkpage. This while the text is under discussion at that talkpage. Could you clarify why you felt the need to make this edit unilaterally? -DePiep (talk) 07:55, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
 * I will let my edit summary answer your question. – Jonesey95 (tal?k) 15:04, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
 * This is not an answer at all. I am posting here just because of that edit, es included. To be clear: why did you edit without talk?. -DePiep (talk) 17:43, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

Thanks
Hey, I just wanted to say that I appreciate your occasional reminders on Phabricator tasks that remain unfixed, even if it sometimes takes us a few months to get around to fixing them :) . It helps to know that they're important for someone! Matma Rex talk 23:49, 4 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks for noticing. I hope that it helps the developers as well. Sometimes additional examples of a problem can help debug more effectively. If there is anything I can do to help with the tasks (as a non-developer but experienced editor), please ask! – Jonesey95 (talk) 02:04, 5 January 2020 (UTC)

Help needed
Hi Jonesey, could you explain to me how to use the same tool as you did on - https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Laza_Kostić&diff=934163230&oldid=934158980&diffmode=source ? I would like to try to use it on Đura Jakšić. Thank you,  Sadkσ  (talk is cheap)  16:58, 5 January 2020 (UTC)
 * The tool is available at User:Zhaofeng Li/reFill. The sections "To use reFill yourself shows you how to use it from a web page, and if you scroll down a bit, there are instructions for adding a line to your common.js file (a bit technical), which will give you a "reFill" link on the left side of every WP article, in the "Tools" sidebar to the left of the article. Let me know if you have any questions. – Jonesey95 (talk) 18:25, 5 January 2020 (UTC)

I owe you one
I’m really grateful for your guidance and help with Template:Rail line: It was very kind of you! Best regards, Yak79 2.0 (talk) 00:02, 8 January 2020 (UTC)
 * You're welcome. Thanks for walking through the correct process of testing. – Jonesey95 (talk) 04:59, 8 January 2020 (UTC)

Question
Thank you for fixing the Linter errors. As I am new to Wikipedia can you explain what they are? I noticed it involved removing the x225. Is it supposed to be 225px if I want to restrict or enlarge the size? Thanks. Boston1775 (talk) 06:42, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes. There are detailed instructions at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Images. – Jonesey95 (talk) 13:28, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Boston1775 (talk) 18:58, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

Tagging article of paid contributions
Hi. I see that you tagged Peter Golding as having paid contributions. Interested to know which components tipped you off. Praxidicae, myself and some others have been exploring refhaus spam, and dubious editing, so interested to know what you may have been seen around the traps. Thanks. — billinghurst  sDrewth  23:33, 22 January 2020 (UTC)
 * That tag placement was done by, not me. – Jonesey95 (talk) 01:23, 23 January 2020 (UTC)

LV (Las Vegas Raiders) footer notice
The Las Vegas Raiders (LV) come before Los Angeles Chargers (LAC) alphabetically. Just wanted to let you know because it appears to still be last on the footer template for the AFC West.--GalaxyFighter55 (talk) 02:23, 23 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Better now? – Jonesey95 (talk) 02:40, 23 January 2020 (UTC)

GOCE report
Did you find time to add for the annual report? I'd left it for a while and noticed that we're running out of January. – Reidgreg (talk) 00:00, 31 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Oops, I forgot! I'll get to it ASAP. – Jonesey95 (talk) 00:03, 31 January 2020 (UTC)

Jennifer Lee
I have an emergency. Jennifer Lee is destroying the competition with Frozen II! Hurry, or it's the highest grossing animated film of all time! Also, tell the world to pull all the advertising of it! 2601:197:C181:B70:C5F0:8AD:C89D:5C5B (talk) 19:56, 31 January 2020 (UTC)

Revisions to awards lists
Upon review of your "lint error" revisions, it appears that the List of awards and nominations received by Deadliest Catch shows more errors than fixed. For example, the list bullets in the Emmy Awards table are no longer in vertical alignment, among other newly created visual inconsistencies. The "br" coding works for the RETURN function. It shouldn't be "br /". The "smalldiv|" doesn't seem necessary, either! Also during your revisions, the entire awards infobox was deleted. Please explain! Thnx. CYAce01 (talk) 22:25, 31 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Your series of edits reintroduced Linter errors that I had already fixed, and also removed the navbox and categories. Rather than try to sort out the good from the bad, I reverted to a better version. I have sorted out the bullets now, as far as I can tell. Pinging, whose useful dash fixes I also had to revert to get back to a working version.
 * The underlying reason for the Linter fixes is that  tags can't wrap multiple lines. smalldiv allows multiple lines to be wrapped in small formatting. – Jonesey95 (talk) 00:01, 1 February 2020 (UTC)
 * I redid the dash script. Is that all you both needed from me? – zmbro (talk) 01:24, 1 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Looks great, . Sorry for the inconvenience. – Jonesey95 (talk) 05:00, 1 February 2020 (UTC)
 * No problem at all. If you ever want to use the dash script yourself, all you need to do is install it in your common.js page and you're good to go. It's VERY useful I have found, along with a ton of other user scripts. – zmbro (talk) 16:19, 1 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I used to use it, but it had a bug that broke DOI values, so I disabled it. It looks like that bug may have been fixed, I haven't gone back to try it. – Jonesey95 (talk) 16:23, 1 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I used to use it, but it had a bug that broke DOI values, so I disabled it. It looks like that bug may have been fixed, I haven't gone back to try it. – Jonesey95 (talk) 16:23, 1 February 2020 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the revisions and repairs, folks. Looks pretty clean now. For the first major rollback i did, I thought a bot was in there making a mess of the coding. Glad we got it sorted. CYAce01 (talk) 07:35, 2 February 2020 (UTC)

Re: Too many requests...
Okay, that was easy. I pulled out the last two requests. You're welcome.  A ya S yameimaru  文々. 新聞  21:14, 4 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks. – Jonesey95 (talk) 21:15, 4 February 2020 (UTC)

Linter Error
Hi, I recently made a Template, and you made an edit to fix a "Linter Error". The following code Was replaced with Could you please specify to me what this was so that I could avoid more mistakes.

Thanks! User_Talk:CntrlAltDelete 6 Feb 2020, 0930 PST
 * You have the replacement backwards in your text above. I added a "/" to the second span tag, which was an opening span tag before my edit. Each opening tag, like, needs to have a corresponding closing tag, like . – Jonesey95 (talk) 17:36, 6 February 2020 (UTC)

Is there really a problem?
I fail to see what your problem is with the word apparatus Veverve (talk) 21:22, 10 February 2020 (UTC)
 * I read a lot, but I had never seen the word used in this way, and I could not find it in half a dozen dictionaries. That is why we have wikilinks. Thanks for adding one. – Jonesey95 (talk) 22:07, 10 February 2020 (UTC)

Extension:Cite fun
Can you figure out why Adoption in Australia is tossing a "named ref not defined" error for reference 23? --Izno (talk) 22:53, 13 February 2020 (UTC)
 * A ref tag was missing a closing /ref tag. One of my generous talk page stalkers took care of it for you. – Jonesey95 (talk) 23:32, 13 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Oh hey, that's my fault, I made it not work the right way. Oof. Might be time for a break for not seeing that one. --Izno (talk) 05:38, 14 February 2020 (UTC)

Victoria County History
Thank you again for your corrections to Milton Keynes, all were very useful (and annoying that I had missed them in the first place). I thought perhaps you might find it useful to know that Victoria County History is a series, not a publisher. As I have just found out, the publisher was Constable & Co. Ltd.. So as an example: Use or ignore as you find convenient, no reply needed or expected. --John Maynard Friedman (talk) 15:07, 29 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the note. That makes sense; I wasn't sure about the publisher parameter, so I left it alone while separating the volume parameters. I didn't look on worldcat or other library sites to check the details of each source; I just fixed the most obvious stuff that I came across. – Jonesey95 (talk) 17:50, 29 February 2020 (UTC)

Code got substituted :P
Looks like it works in my sandbox :). What's the code you used (I think it got substituted already)? -- Tenryuu (🐲 • 💬 • 🌟) 21:51, 29 February 2020 (UTC)
 * I copied and pasted the example code from the Template's documentation page. Try it. – Jonesey95 (talk) 01:37, 1 March 2020 (UTC)
 * All resolved now. Thanks for the help! -- Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝)  02:20, 1 March 2020 (UTC)

Goofy
Hey Jonesey95, I was wondering if you could fix the Goofy article in the voice actors section in the infobox. Someone incorrectly changed "George Johnson" to "Danny Webb", the source it's stated that George Johnson did the voice from 1939 to 1943. I posted an edit request about it in the talk page, but no one hasn't responded. 2600:1000:B05F:FE7F:EC10:DAF:580C:D112 (talk) 13:58, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
 * ✅. – Jonesey95 (talk) 15:57, 3 March 2020 (UTC)

Saint Dyfnog
Hi, can you or somebody you know fix the refs in that, thanks.♦ Dr. Blofeld  11:48, 8 March 2020 (UTC)
 * There were manual line breaks in the middle of citation parameter values. A helpful gnome removed them for you and fixed a few other errors. – Jonesey95 (talk) 15:34, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

Goofy
Please don't change the voice actor. The source says Danny Webb. I'm the one who added it. The IP is a liar. LittleJerry (talk) 00:49, 14 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Please don't fork discussions or engage in personal attacks on your fellow editors. I have continued the discussion at Talk:Goofy, providing links to multiple sources. – Jonesey95 (talk) 04:51, 14 March 2020 (UTC)

Useless changes
You or your both made a number of useless changes in the article: Rank insignia of the Carabinieri. The changes were of the type /. When in a table, / is not needed to end a command; it ends automatically. Creuzbourg (talk) 16:40, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
 * See this example:


 * The errors that I fixed are described at mw:Help:Lint errors/missing-end-tag. Opened tags must be closed. We can't always count on the Mediawiki software to fix editors' coding errors; in many situations, unclosed tags cause unintended formatting to be applied to text beyond the intended endpoint of the tag that was opened. Here is an example.
 * Also, using  tags in tables is obsolete; see HTML 5 for an explanation of the modern way to center table text. Unfortunately, I do not have a script that can convert table cells to the new code, so I satisfice for now by closing the unclosed tags. – Jonesey95 (talk) 18:37, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Also, using  tags in tables is obsolete; see HTML 5 for an explanation of the modern way to center table text. Unfortunately, I do not have a script that can convert table cells to the new code, so I satisfice for now by closing the unclosed tags. – Jonesey95 (talk) 18:37, 12 March 2020 (UTC)


 * Well, it doesn't hurt anybody and if its amuses you, why not? Creuzbourg (talk) 20:16, 16 March 2020 (UTC)

Infobox school short descriptions edit
Hi Jonesey95, hope you're well. Noticed you made an edit to the automatic short descriptions, with edit summary "support country aliases". Say an infobox has country filled in with "USA", will this be displayed in the short description? All school articles should really be using the full country name instead of aliases and per the school article guidelines. All articles with alias country names are being changed to full ones on a gradual basis. Please let me know, thanks Steven (Editor) (talk) 20:29, 14 March 2020 (UTC)
 * See the template's talk page. As far as I know, the change I made allows country abbreviations to be converted into full country names, just as the infobox itself does for the country parameters. See Kowloon Sam Yuk Secondary School. Does that answer your question fully? If not, let me know.


 * I take no position on whether the use of country abbreviations should be allowed, but having a short description of "School in USA" seemed less good than "School in the United States". If support for conversion of country abbreviations is taken away after all of the abbreviations are fixed, that is fine with me. – Jonesey95 (talk) 22:13, 14 March 2020 (UTC)


 * If it allows country abbreviations to be converted into full country names then that's perfect, I guess the code you added could be removed when all abbreviations have been changed to full, but maybe there is no need to. Thank you, Steven (Editor) (talk) 21:13, 16 March 2020 (UTC)

Infobox road
Hey, it looks like you have worked on this template a bit. New article Route 37 (Iceland) has a error in the infobox. There is some magic going on here. I compared this to Route 36 (Iceland), and it looks to me like the name is coming from some other file (since it isn't in any parameter to the template). I can't find what needs to be changed. MB 04:12, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
 * It's in Infobox road/translation/ISL. You need to add a line to that template. Copy the existing format (carefully). – Jonesey95 (talk) 13:44, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Done and thanks. MB 15:43, 18 March 2020 (UTC)

GOCE March newsletter
MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 15:52, 18 March 2020 (UTC)

Honda Sports Award
Thanks for your edits to this template.

You noted:

"This material does not exist in the parent article, so it needs to be referenced somewhere."

It will all be added, it just takes a little time.-- S Philbrick (Talk)  12:14, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
 * I just added a ref, will remove when all entries are in main article. S Philbrick (Talk)  12:19, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
 * No problem. I just wanted to be sure that people could check the list somehow, in case there were typos or erroneous links. – Jonesey95 (talk) 15:36, 21 March 2020 (UTC)

I have mentioned you at a WP:ANI discussion
There is currently a discussion at WP:ANI where I have mentioned you. Fram (talk) 15:20, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

Infobox rail
Hi,

Do you know anything about this template? Stansted Express has many errors caused by unsuppported parameters - yet strangely they are still displayed. If I remove them all, there is almost nothing left in the infobox. None are listed on the doc page. I don't see any relevant discussion on the infobox talk page. Is this related to some old template merger? Am I missing something obvious. I don't see that someone has changed the type of infobox in the article recently. MB 19:54, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
 * It looks like another template was merged into Infobox rail about a week ago, by, who appears to have missed adding a few parameters to the unknown parameter check. I have redone the parameter check to include those missing parameters. It is possible that there is a larger plan to deprecate certain parameters, but that is usually done with a separate parameter check (since deprecated is different from unsupported) and I didn't see any recent discussions on the talk page. Primefac is an active and competent editor and may have more insight than I. – Jonesey95 (talk) 20:11, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
 * No future plans, just somehow managed to miss adding... quite a few parameters actually. I'm genuinely not sure how that happened, but thanks for picking up after my mess. Primefac (talk) 20:13, 29 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Teamwork makes the dream work. I figured it was an innocent mistake, of which I make plenty, but AGF'ing gets me through the day. – Jonesey95 (talk) 20:16, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

My user talk page
Hi Jonesey, thought I should let you know this was just my little joke for 1 April; I was about to revert it just now. I liked the idea of being a sockpuppet of myself. :D Thanks for looking after my page anyway. :) Cheers,  Baffle☿gab  20:43, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Fooled me! You're a goofball. Happy April 1, BG. Sorry for the instinctive revert; it looked too much like the inexplicable junk that newbie editors sometimes do, without enough of a bizarre streak. Next time you want to self-block, feel free to leave a message on my talk page first, verbally abusing me and violating ten different policies in one message, then link to that from the block message! Nice job logging out and making the edit as an IP, though. – Jonesey95 (talk) 02:02, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Haha, yes, I'll have to lift my game next year. I hope you found some levity yesterday, I think we could all do with some fun right now. Cheers and wibbles, stay well. :)  Baffle☿gab  05:41, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

Hyphen or en dash?
I tried to move Saudi Arabian-led intervention in Yemen to Saudi Arabian–led intervention in Yemen, but it turned out that it had already been moved to to the one with an en dash before—and then moved back with the claim "Saudi Arabian" is part of compound modifier. I doubt it should be a hyphen, but I could be wrong. Do you know? Cheers,  —Biscuit-in-Chief :-)  (/tɔːk/ – /ˈkɒntɹɪbs/) 14:39, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
 * I think a dash is correct on en.WP, per MOS:SUFFIXDASH. It's not a hill I would die on, though. – Jonesey95 (talk) 14:45, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

Help request
Hi, would you like to help in improving Mahavira as it has been recently delisted from GA. You seem to be neutral and adept about wikipedia policies. Keeping in view that Mahavira Jayanti is due on 6th April 2020 and the past trends of sharp spike on the date, I would highly appreciate any and every help. Thanks Capankajsmilyo(Talk 05:31, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
 * I gave it a quick scan and cleaned up the citations. I also read the GA review, which says that it needs a thorough edit by someone familiar with Jainism and the sources. That person is not me. – Jonesey95 (talk) 13:54, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the help . Can you please refer me to someone? Capankajsmilyo(Talk 15:40, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Try Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Jainism. – Jonesey95 (talk) 17:11, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

March 2020 GOCE drive bling
Thanks for helping to reduce the copy-editing backlog by 75% in one month! – Reidgreg (talk) 21:33, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

Notice
There is currently a discussion at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is Edit warring over template protection. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 21:04, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

Precious anniversary
--Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:55, 11 April 2020 (UTC)

School short description
See Grace Christian Academy (Kankakee, Illinois), SD was mangled due to a. I just removed the ref from the infobox to fix the problem (you need to go back a couple of versions to see the reference in the type). Not sure this is common enough to try to do anything better - there are rarely refs in infobox since they are supposed to summarize info in the article. All note the current SD has some issues with capitalization. I guess this is just what happens when constructing a SD in this fashion. Is the solution just to override with a manual SD in cases like this? MB 01:53, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
 * I think overriding is the best answer for this problem in the short term. You might ask at the template talk page for Infobox school, or at Wikipedia talk:Short description. Someone might know a trick. – Jonesey95 (talk) 03:20, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

default ref=none for wrapper that start "cite xyz"
With regards to this edit please see this edit. -- PBS (talk) 13:59, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the note. There are some pending changes to the CS1 templates that may make this issue moot. I was working on fixing articles in prior to error messages becoming visible to most editors. – Jonesey95 (talk) 15:26, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * You're welcome. Happy editing! – Jonesey95 (talk) 19:06, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Carl Barron Plaza
Do you have a moment to add coordinates and/or map to Carl Barron Plaza for me? Either way, happy editing and stay safe, --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 20:45, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 21:35, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
 * ✅. – Jonesey95 (talk) 21:38, 21 April 2020 (UTC)

Whitelist question
I've seen you writing about the whitelist that you've been generating (I guess with help from my enormous lists), but its name is about all I understand about it. While you're whitelisting -- things -- is there a side-effect that you could suppress actual errors, things that Ucucha would color red? David Brooks (talk) 15:59, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
 * I don't think I have seen that happen. I add items to the whitelist when a short citation shows a new, red, hidden "no target" error, but when Ucucha's script does not complain about that same short citation. In those situations, the link from the short citation to the full citation is working fine, and the "no target" error is a false positive, i.e. not actually an error. They appear because the code that generates the error does not have the ability to look at the rendered page or inside of transcluded templates; Ucucha's script does have the ability to look at the rendered page. – Jonesey95 (talk) 16:44, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Sorry, but I may be misunderstanding. Is the whitelist applied at a template level? Not per-article, surely? Then although in the majority of uses it would be correct to suppress the error, in cases when an editor screws up (mis-spells the default author name, or mismatches an explicit value for example) then wouldn't this genuine error be suppressed by the whitelisting? IOW I'm talking about per-article instances when the Ucucha script does show a red error when using an otherwise correctly constructed template. Which is, I think, Trappist's original intention. David Brooks (talk) 02:18, 23 April 2020 (UTC)
 * The whitelist, in almost all cases, contains one-line entries that contain a CITEREF identifier matched with the name of a template. For example, one line might contain the identifier "CITEREFDrury1993" and the template name Drury-North American Steam. Any time that any page contains a short citation of the form "sfn|Drury|1993" and the page also contains Drury-North American Steam, no red "no target" error will appear after the "sfn|Drury|1993" citation.
 * If someone mistakenly writes "sfn|Drury|1983" (wrong year) or "sfn|Drurty|1993" (author typo) in an attempt to use that template as a full reference, a red error message will appear. You can see an example of this at Antequera, where someone has used the invalid "sfnp|EB|1911" instead of the valid "sfnp|Chisholm|1911" to reference an EB1911 template with an identifier of CITEREFChisholm1911.
 * If you see instances where Ucucha's script shows a big red error but the smaller "no target" message is not displayed, please let me know and I will take a look. – Jonesey95 (talk) 03:53, 23 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the detail, as I admit I haven't been following closely enough. And I assume that, if the editor includes an overriding name or year in the citation template, that too would be accepted as correct. Also, to see if the 'smaller "no target" message is not displayed, I'll need to turn them back in in the first place. How is that done? David Brooks (talk) 14:33, 23 April 2020 (UTC)
 * To show these hidden error messages, include the following text in your common.css page or your specific skin.css page:
 * .harv-error {display: inline !important;}		/* display Module:Footnotes errors */
 * That should do the trick. – Jonesey95 (talk) 15:24, 23 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the reminder. A lot has happened since Trappist did that! David Brooks (talk) 15:39, 23 April 2020 (UTC)
 * That should do the trick. – Jonesey95 (talk) 15:24, 23 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the reminder. A lot has happened since Trappist did that! David Brooks (talk) 15:39, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

Template talk:Infobox ship
Given you took time to consider the request, your thoughts on whether or not it should be implemented would help. This same question was unanswered two years ago. Thanks,--Goldsztajn (talk) 16:05, 23 April 2020 (UTC)
 * I have no opinion. I came there because of the edit-requested template. – Jonesey95 (talk) 16:55, 23 April 2020 (UTC)

Thanks!
Thanks for helping with the introduction tab template(s). If you think I should be using a different template for my profile pages, please let me know.

Happy editing, --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 23:27, 23 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Between the edits being made to my profile page, and notes being left across multiple spaces, I'm so confused, but I'll just keep an eye on my profile page to see how things sort out. --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 23:38, 23 April 2020 (UTC)
 * A small group of editors seems determined to move these tabs somewhere or substitute them, even though editors are effectively using them as templates. Someone should have turned them into real templates long ago, probably, but that's not what happened, and now we are unwinding a tangled ball of twine. I have posted to Wikipedia talk:Introduction (historical), the apparent discussion page for those tab pages, to let editors there know that pages are being broken and that they should maybe slow down a bit. I'll keep an eye on your pages. – Jonesey95 (talk) 23:40, 23 April 2020 (UTC)
 * , Thank you so much! --- Another Believer ( Talk ) 00:32, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

My edit request at the anon welcome template
Hi Jonesey95! In case you end up being the one to handle it, just wanted to say I did take your suggestion from last time to heart. The full sandbox at Template:Welcome-anon/sandbox currently reflects what I view as the most recent version of the page with consensus, as this edit has not been discussed and is not, in my view, an improvement. That's beyond the scope of the edit request, but I'm still hesitant to make the sandbox a full mirror for that reason. Cheers, &#123;{u&#124; Sdkb  }&#125;  talk 05:24, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

Proposed changes to MonthlyArchive - you may be interested
Hi there, I saw your previous comments on the MonthlyArchive template talk page about the issues which the template has, and I wanted to let you know I've proposed some changes to the template which would hopefully address them. However, they are breaking changes for archiving bots, and would require some (minor) modifications to the bots so that they would be compatible.

When you have a moment, it'd be fantastic if you could take a look at my proposal and let me know your thoughts.

All the best, Naypta ☺ &#124; ✉ talk page &#124; 13:05, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

Template:Infobox golfer
Hi there. I have requested reversal of your recent change to this template. Please see discussion at Template talk:Infobox golfer for details. Thanks. wjematherplease leave a message... 09:59, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for fixing- linter errors- Filipino Generals
I am still getting use to editing in Wikipedia. I think I get the hang of editing the tables. I really appreciate your help...and thanks for your patience --Michael (talk) 04:22, 29 April 2020 (UTC)
 * We were all new to Wikipedia once. Thank you for editing! – Jonesey95 (talk) 15:00, 29 April 2020 (UTC)

Ichthyovenator citation fixes
Hi! Been off the site for a while so not sure if you still do requests. But if you do, I would very much appreciate a citation template cleanup on Ichthyovenator, as requested in its current FAC source review, except for the more in-depth queries that I can answer (like page numbers and questioned reliability of some of the sources). Many thanks in advance! ▼PσlєοGєєк ƧɊƲΔƦΣƉ▼  23:13, 28 April 2020 (UTC)
 * I did all of the cleanup I could find. I did not answer all of the questions, but things like missing authors or missing page ranges should be easy to fill in if you have access to the sources. – Jonesey95 (talk) 17:51, 29 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Will do! Fixes look good. Thanks again! ▼PσlєοGєєк  ƧɊƲΔƦΣƉ▼  18:18, 29 April 2020 (UTC)

Interlinear glosses
Hi! this edit did indeed fix a lot of the messy syntax, but it broke the interlinear glossed texts. I'm not sure I see what exactly was done there (did the script substitute tabs with spaces?), but the result was that the words from each of the two lines of the glosses are not aligned any more (an example of before and after). – Uanfala (talk) 14:55, 30 April 2020 (UTC)
 * I don't see any pattern of alignment in the "before" page. I see that there is excess whitespace between words, but my browser does not render it in a consistent pattern. I did not deliberately change any whitespace characters, so I'm guessing that there were some unusual Unicode whitespace characters being used in a not-very-successful attempt to align text in columns, and that copying and pasting the text removed them. Per MOS, The only invisible characters in the editable text should be spaces and tabs. If you want tabs, use tabs. If you want tables or columns, use table or column markup. – Jonesey95 (talk) 15:09, 30 April 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm not going to claim the formatting there was perfect – it wasn't, but it worked at least for some readers (I've just tried in another browser and it works there too). I've had a look again, and the characters concerned appear to be sequences of normal and non-breaking spaces (U+00A0). I don't imagine non-breaking spaces to be disallowed, so could it be that the action of copy-and-pasting replaces non-breaking spaces with normal spaces? My experience has been that Firefox makes such a substitution in the text window. – Uanfala (talk) 16:02, 30 April 2020 (UTC)
 * For non-breaking spaces, use nbsp or &amp;nbsp;. Using spaces or tabs with non-monospace text is not a valid way to align text in columns, however, since it will not work consistently from browser to browser. If you want columns, use columns or a table. – Jonesey95 (talk) 17:28, 30 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Well, I haven't contributed this text (if I had, I'd have used interlinear). I only flagged this up with you because your edit had unintended consequences and I thought that was something you would be interested in. – Uanfala (talk) 19:54, 30 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks for pointing it out in a friendly way. I appreciate it. – Jonesey95 (talk) 20:44, 30 April 2020 (UTC)

Possible Drive Issue
Hi ,

If I am reading the drive correctly, I believe I should be in the #3 spot on Longest Article because I have an article that is longer than both of them I ce'd. Maybe I am wrong? Could you let me know please?

Thanks, --GalendaliaChat Me Up 19:58, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
 * It is up to individual editors to modify the leaderboard table. That is why it says "(Please update your own figures)" above the table. The leaderboard is not automated in any way. – Jonesey95 (talk) 20:00, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

Diff font
No news about the secret diff font update? - yeah, I was wondering about that. David Brooks (talk) 17:49, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
 * See VPT. – Jonesey95 (talk) 17:57, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

Coords page
Hi Jonesey, just a note to let you know I've closed a discussion on the Coordinators page here to avoid further drama. Please feel free to revert the closure if I'm out of bounds. I don't believe your actions amount to a personal attack. Cheers,  Baffle☿gab  00:10, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Excellent idea, and it should have worked on my tiny lizard brain, but I had already written most of my reply before I noticed that you had archived it, so I posted a reply anyway. I semi-apologized on your talk page a few minutes ago. – Jonesey95 (talk) 00:36, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

Template:Infobox artist
Hi noticing you edited that template recently, could you take a look at the bottom? There is {{Sandbox other|| to be adapted. I was looking into to that template searching if there is a possibility to have a logo of the artist added. (see: Sting) {{smiley}} Thank you for your time. Lotje (talk) 05:31, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm unclear what the actual request is here, and I do not see any discussion on the talk page. The documentation page already contains "Sandbox other". Adding a logo for an artist doesn't sound like a good idea to me, but if there is consensus on the talk page, you are welcome to add an edit request. – Jonesey95 (talk) 13:18, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

Whitelist construction question
As I've been off on other project, I didn't familiarize myself with the footnotes whitelist construction. But I just took a look. Again, using my EB1911 example, I had naively assumed that the coding would be (a) Start with the default "Chisholm" and "1911" from the whitelist (b) if the template has a "last" parameter, substitute it for Chisholm (c) if the template has a year parameter, substitute it for 1911 (d) glue the two resulting strings to CITEREF and use that to validate the short refs. Not that simple, of course, when there is more than one author. But now I see it uses a brute-force method of permitting strings that include a long list of EB1911 authors (or author pairs, trios, etc). Wouldn't it be more robust to do it dynamically as I outlined? Maybe I should ask Trappist. Also, I have gathered a list of about 100 last names used more than once; I can send it if you want to check against your list. David Brooks (talk) 23:01, 7 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I don't understand your proposed algorithm. I just know how the current whitelist works, which is indeed a brute-force method for almost all CITEREFs. – Jonesey95 (talk) 23:21, 7 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm referring to the concerns I had on April 22/23 above, but didn't follow up. I assumed you and Trappist were constructing a list of cite-wrapping templates along with their default values for last and year, so that when the footnotes module sees a generic EB1911, it thinks aha! the defaults are "Chisholm" and "1911", so this will generate a CITEREFChisholm1911, so there is a correct hook for the sfn. And I had further assumed that if the template had a "last" parameter ("year" is very unlikely), say Bain", the module would think "Bain overrides Chisholm, so this emits a CITEREFBain1911", so a matching  would not throw an error.
 * I now realize that's not the case. So look at my current sandbox. I have both Harverrors.js (Trappist's version) and .harv-error enabled. What I see is (a) the first footnote, which is a very common error, is noticed by the js, but does not emit a sfn error (b) the 2nd footnote, also an error noticed by the js although less likely in practice, does not emit a sfn error because the author is whitelisted (c) the 3rd footnote is OK all round: it's valid and not marked as an error, but that's just because I chose an author in your current whitelist (d) the fourth footnote is correct, but emits an sfn error because the author is not whitelisted. Although it does suppress the majority of false positives, I still don't think it hits the mark. #1 is a false negative, #4 is a false positive, and both are pretty common. I appreciate the detailed work you've done, but I think the larger the whitelist gets, the more likely it is to miss genuine errors, especially the first category. David Brooks (talk) 03:27, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
 * You are basically correct in your assessment, except that I have not found a real-world instance of CITEREFBrooks1911, so I have not put it in the whitelist, so the module rightly tags it as an error. It's basically the same as CITEREFChisolm1911, or any other misspelling. You are correct that whitelisting is imperfect. The key thing to remember is what we had before: a tiny population of editors using a Harverrors script, no way to find the errors except by stumbling upon them, and no way to tell regular editors or readers that something was wrong with the reference. Now we have a way to show and categorize these errors for everyone to see (if we unhide them).
 * The whitelist causes a minuscule percentage of those errors to be suppressed and ignored, but the Harverrors script still catches them. So we have gone from a situation where 100% of errors were silently ignored to a situation where probably less than 0.5% of errors (1 out of every 200) will be silently ignored by the module (but still caught by Harverrors). Also, an incomplete whitelist causes something like 3% of module "no target" errors (about 1,000 out of 30,000, I estimate) to be displayed when there is no error; updating the whitelist will eliminate those. So that's something like a 97% improvement so far, on our way to 99.5% improvement. I'll take that any day of the week. – Jonesey95 (talk) 04:00, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I admit I was lazy (it was late at night) and used my own name as a proxy for those EB authors who have one or two articles. I still come across new ones from time to time. Most of all, though, thanks for the detailed math in your reply; it's convincing. I do know I have seen some Chisholm1911 tags used for citations with a named author (due to editors who copy existing patterns, or those (ahem) who use an AWB hotkey), and I can probably scan and find any that are left. But I do want to return to the question: when it comes to cite-wrapping templates that pass through the standard last and year or date parameters, wouldn't that be something the footnotes code could handle directly? After all, it's already parsing the args. It would eliminate much whitelist maintenance. I realize not every such template is obliged to use that pattern, but the big ones probably do. Perhaps I should ask on the module's talk page.
 * I admit I was lazy (it was late at night) and used my own name as a proxy for those EB authors who have one or two articles. I still come across new ones from time to time. Most of all, though, thanks for the detailed math in your reply; it's convincing. I do know I have seen some Chisholm1911 tags used for citations with a named author (due to editors who copy existing patterns, or those (ahem) who use an AWB hotkey), and I can probably scan and find any that are left. But I do want to return to the question: when it comes to cite-wrapping templates that pass through the standard last and year or date parameters, wouldn't that be something the footnotes code could handle directly? After all, it's already parsing the args. It would eliminate much whitelist maintenance. I realize not every such template is obliged to use that pattern, but the big ones probably do. Perhaps I should ask on the module's talk page.


 * When it comes to the 3% of false error messages, they can also be suppressed with the yes tweak, although I'm always comfortable with the semantics of the word "positive" in the case of finding an error. But they do bother me because, as I said right at the beginning, the messages are impenetrable jargon to the casual reader and require a very technical fix. On the other hand, the same is true of errors like "invalid access-date". David Brooks (talk) 14:08, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I can't speak to what the module code might or might not be able to do; I am not a programmer. As for coming across EB1911 citation authors who are not whitelisted, I thought I had gotten all of them, but if you find one, let me know. – Jonesey95 (talk) 16:53, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Well, I did look for all the articles with (a) an EB1911 reference (b) a specific non-Chisholm author (c) a Chisholm 1911 short footnote. I didn't find many but I seem to recall I made a pass at them some time back. This time I caught the following. Some should be fixed in the source but I'll leave them there for a while in case you want to look. There are no specific single names that I found not in the whitelist.
 * Arghul, written by Schlesinger. She is in the whitelist so there's no sfn error, but there is, correctly, a HarvError.
 * Battle of Carpi, one author is Swinburne; harv error not sfn error.
 * Battle of Sahay looks right, except that "Flag" should be attributed to Swinburne as above.
 * Esaias Tegnér has last=Gosse: Chisholm1911 should be Gosse1911; harv error not sfn error.
 * Tarquinia has last=Ashby: Chisholm1911 should be Ashby1911; harv error not sfn error.
 * Dezső Bánffy is wrong in a different way: it has a correct CITEREFChisholm1922, but it uses Cite EB1922, which doesn't seem to be covered in the whitelist.
 * Archibald Campbell, 1st Marquess of Argyll and List of regicides of Charles I, written by Yorke and Chisholm (as author, not editor). Correctly coded, but CITEREFYorkeChisholm1911 is not in whitelist. I know there are quite a number of 2-3 author sfn's out there; would you consider putting all the combinations in the list?
 * Parliament of the United Kingdom similar, but CITEREFMayChisholm1911.
 * The Description of Britain has one of those odd "Chisholm 1910" entries (is that in the whitelist?) but also some genuine errors caught by both sfn and HarvErrors.
 * I can make a separate query for specific authors aren't in the whitelist, but are otherwise correctly marked up.
 * I'll be bold and make the algorithm comment on the module talk page. It'll probably not go down well. David Brooks (talk) 20:16, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
 * The ones that say "Chisholm 1911" but should use another author's name are real errors, as the Harverrors script indicates. Those are in the uncategorized 0.5% that I referred to above, since "Chisholm 1911" is whitelisted when Template:EB1911 is present. I fixed the CITEREFChisholm1922, CITEREFMayChisholm1911, and CITEREFYorkeChisholm1911 entries by whitelisting them (after checking the EB entries for authorship); I don't know how my searches missed those. "Chisholm 1910" in The Description of Britain is using a regular Citation template, in which the full citation and the short citation match, but I think they are both wrong. That template should probably be replaced with an EB1911 template. – Jonesey95 (talk) 20:31, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I did a more thorough analysis. If I did the template parsing right (it wasn't thoroughly tested), I found 440 authors or author pairs mentioned in [Cite ]EB1911 templates but not on the whitelist. Some of these may be typos of course. And, as I said, I occasionally come across new ones. However, I wouldn't panic. Right now I am seeing very few that are also represented in sfn/harv links. I came up with 34 of them, but I discovered didn't parse the sfn's properly because of the occasional disambiguation years (e.g. 1911a, 1911b). So I may have to tweak the code. Here are a couple of examples from both ends of the alphabetical list: Anthracite (Bauerman has 3 articles where I saw sfn's) and Eugène Boudin (Wedmore has two). Thoughts? David Brooks (talk) 17:28, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the detective work. My initial thought is that my search results were incomplete either because the error category had not yet been assigned to these articles after a module update, or my search string was inadequate. I'll do another search. – Jonesey95 (talk) 01:02, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I have a .txt file of every find in AWB-ready format, and a .csv summary. Would you like them via email, or better a cloud link? As I said, there are a few mistakes due to custom citerefs, but I think most of them are valid. David Brooks (talk) 16:15, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
 * You are welcome to drop the list into my userspace, in User:Jonesey95/sandbox5. – Jonesey95 (talk) 22:22, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Done, as you probably saw. Admittedly the list that generates false positives is short (42 lines, some of them dups). The remaining 864 may do so some, but more than somewhat unlikely! David Brooks (talk) 15:20, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I added all of the "has sfn" CITEREFs to the whitelist and checked all of those articles to make sure it worked. I didn't do anything with the long list. – Jonesey95 (talk) 17:57, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

Soyuz abort modes 'hone in' in article title
Hello Jonesey95:

In regard to your addition of [sic] to the title of a citation on Soyuz abort modes. I reverted this edit once because, in my understanding, 'hone in' is the correct usage and is not likely to be reverted by bots or other editors. Supporting this notion is the definition of 'hone in' as provided by Merriam Webster online dictionary. There, 'hone in' is defined as 'to move toward or focus attention on an objective' which seems to be the intended usage in the articles title.

Unless this is actually improper usage, I do not think the [sic] is necessary and can be distracting or misleading. Is there a grammatical rule I am overlooking either in the usage of 'hone in,' or in the application of [sic]?

Thanks, --Cincotta1 (talk) 23:21, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
 * M-W tries to be nice about it, but "hone in" is nonstandard usage that has crept into common usage (see also "irregardless"). I compromised by marking the word with a template, like this: {sic|hone|hide=y}. That should ensure that other editors know that this error is in the article intentionally and should not be "fixed". Where "hone in" appears in text that is not a direct quotation from a source, I usually convert it to more widely acceptable standard prose, as one would do with any poor writing. – Jonesey95 (talk) 23:46, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

Welcome template

 * Wikipedia talk:Welcoming committee/Welcome templates.-
 * No comment. Please use a signature. Adding date stamp for the archive bot. – Jonesey95 (talk) 23:47, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for fix
Thanks for the divbox fix; I sure wouldn't have substituted that template on my own. My TP looked different for some reason (probably because I haven't looked at it for awhile), and I didn't like the square-cornered ombox up against the round-cornered page border. The divbox finally worked when I substituted the tag, proof positive that coincidence ≠ cause. Stay well and all the best,  Mini  apolis  13:34, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
 * That documentation appears to be out of date. I have tagged it. I don't understand substing as well as I should, but some parts of the template need to be wrapped in some sort of tags to make it subst cleanly.
 * And yes, the divbox "worked" when you substed it, but ick, was that code horrible. I like the new look, though! You are right that it looks nicer than before. – Jonesey95 (talk) 13:41, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
 * And yes, the divbox "worked" when you substed it, but ick, was that code horrible. I like the new look, though! You are right that it looks nicer than before. – Jonesey95 (talk) 13:41, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

Multiple Links Question
Hey Jonesy,

In this article https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Badminton_at_the_2014_Summer_Youth_Olympics_%e2%80%93_Mixed_doubles how many links to the same person are considered acceptable? This page has 362 links total and only 228 words. I am thinking because it is a table it may be ok with the more than one interwiki link?

Thanks Galendalia Talk to me CVU Graduate 17:48, 27 May 2020 (UTC)
 * That's a lot of links, but it's not a big deal in a table. See MOS:DUPLINK for guidance. – Jonesey95 (talk) 20:33, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

formatting
In what way was ABBA songs broken? I didn't see anything wrong. Coagulans (talk) 04:55, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Your edit removed closing italic formatting tags. Tags that are opened need to be closed. There is more information at mw:Help:Lint errors/missing-end-tag. – Jonesey95 (talk) 13:40, 31 May 2020 (UTC)

Lint error
Hi Jonesey95, Many thanks for your changes here, LintHint was saying there was an error there but I had no idea what the actual issue was or how to fix it so many thanks for your fixes there :), Thanks, Regards, – Davey 2010 Talk 17:17, 1 June 2020 (UTC)
 * You're welcome! The problem is that the </small> tags are not supposed to wrap multiple lines. I created smalldiv, which is just a div tag that makes everything inside it small, in order to work around these errors. There are a few thousand pages left to fix.... – Jonesey95 (talk) 18:20, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

Links in external links
Hi. Thanks for your offer to help. I'm going to run my bot steps by steps (first run) to see what it can do with the current configuration. If you see patterns that could be added to the configuration, or improvements, tell me. --NicoV (Talk on frwiki) 09:30, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I put some possible patterns on your frwiki talk page. It will help me find patterns if you always start your runs from the beginning of the alphabet, as you have done so far. Just for the record, there are 22,860 "Links in links" Linter errors at this writing. I think your bot will be able to fix a few thousand of them. Merci. – Jonesey95 (talk) 13:59, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks. The bot works alphabetically, but what articles are scanned depends on how I launch it:
 * If I run it on Special:LintErrors/wikilink-in-extlink, it only retrieves a few thousand articles, so not everything is scanned. I should see to configure it to retrieve the full list.
 * If I run it on CHECKWIKI/WPC 513 dump‎, it only works on articles where an error was detected by WPC at the time of the dump analysis, so only a partial list. Since then the configuration has been enhanced and the program also, so WPC can fix articles that are not in this list...
 * --NicoV (Talk on frwiki) 09:47, 1 June 2020 (UTC)
 * I fixed the issue with going through only a part of Special:LintErrors/wikilink-in-extlink, the bot is currently running through the whole list. --NicoV (Talk on frwiki) 18:29, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

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br
Judging by this edit,  is forbidden. Where is that documented? Is there something wrong with this authoritative explanation? Johnuniq (talk) 06:59, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
 * is equivalent to when rendered, and it makes the WP syntax highlighter gadget able to highlight formatting mismatches more easily. See this page for documentation. If  or anyone else wants to provide a syntax highlighter gadget as part of the en.WP preferences page that can handle unclosed br tags and works as well as or better than the provided gadget, I'll be happy to use it. I'd rather have cleaner, clearer diffs too!
 * The br modifications make that diff a bit noisy; the goal of the edit was to close unclosed bold tags, e.g. around US Open and $2,605,102, which you can find near the end of the diff. Just standard boring Linter missing end tag cleanup (only a few hundred thousand left to fix [in article space]!). – Jonesey95 (talk) 14:24, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
 * The highlighting provided with either VE or with wikitext editor 2010 both handle &lt;br> fine (and are fairly reasonable at pointing out where things start and end). RTD's script at this time is broken TBH: wikitext is not and has never been XHTML and will not be XHTML into the future. (It should be disabled accordingly if the author is unable or unwilling to fix it. [At this point, it's the latter. One tool authors' opinionated stance on wikitext should not change the source at the end of the day.])
 * As for diffs, use WikEdDiff and be happy ~ --Izno (talk) 17:31, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the advice. VE is FAR too buggy for me to trust; I have submitted many VE bugs over the years, and not many of them have been fixed. I spend too much of my time cleaning up errant VE edits to be OK with using it to edit.
 * I went to my Editing preferences and turned on "Enable the editing toolbar / This is sometimes called the '2010 wikitext editor'." When I went to edit a page like Omar Ibrahim Ghalawanji, which has br tags in it, the syntax highlighter gadget showed the usual false positives with tags. I then turned off the Syntax Highlighter gadget in Gadgets and noticed that the 2010 editor has a pencil in the toolbar that enables syntax highlighting, which seemed to work. It is pretty different. I'll try it for a while to see if it works for me. Thanks. – Jonesey95 (talk) 17:50, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
 * , I found what appears to be a major show-stopper. I use AutoEd to fix Linter errors, and it appears to not work when I have syntax highlighting turned on in the 2010 wikitext editor. If I edit this version of my sandbox, turn on syntax highlighting, and run my custom AutoEd script that fixes missing italics, it does not make an edit. If I click the pencil icon to turn off syntax highlighting and then run the script, it fixes the missing italics. I know that not many people use AutoEd, but I use it to make thousands of edits to fix Linter errors, and syntax highlighting is key to seeing the errors. – Jonesey95 (talk) 18:28, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Also, when I am working on a long page, and the edit window is scrolled down to a section in the middle of the page, if I click Preview, the edit window now shows the top of the page instead of the section I had been working on. I have to scroll in the edit window to get back to the section I was working on. That is some pretty basic user-unfriendly behavior, but I was unable to find a bug report for it at what appears to be the phab project page (the naming of various editing interfaces is quite confusing). I am headed back to the old wikitext interface unless you know of a fix for either of these issues. Thanks for trying to help. – Jonesey95 (talk) 18:42, 9 June 2020 (UTC) [edited to add: I filed the scrolling problem as . – Jonesey95 (talk) 04:19, 10 June 2020 (UTC)]
 * Someone's user page (mw:User:Remember the dot/Syntax highlighter) is not an authoritative statement regarding what wikitext is acceptable. There is nothing wrong with &lt;br> and fiddling with it should not occur. Johnuniq (talk) 03:24, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
 * As I said above, I would rather have cleaner diffs as well; I would leave the br tags alone if it were an option compatible with the tools that I am able to use. The syntax highlighter is a standard Gadget that is provided as part of the en.WP Preferences, which implies that it has community support, warts and all, just like the also-buggy Visual Editor. The syntax highlighter doesn't work right unless br is self-closed; Visual Editor leaves trashy wikicode lying around. There is no perfect tool, apparently, and developers appear to have other priorities. At least we gnomes won't be unemployed any time soon!
 * As I said above, if there is a syntax highlighter that works, I will use it, but I haven't found one yet. I gave the one included with the 2010 wikitext editor a try, and I found two serious show-stopping bugs in the first hour, so I'm back to the functional (although not ideal, obviously) old-timey wikitext editor.
 * I started a discussion at WP talk:AutoEd to see if anyone knew about the apparent incompatibility between the 2010 wikitext editor and AutoEd. has pointed out a possible reason for the incompatibility; I don't know if anyone is available to fix it. – Jonesey95 (talk) 04:03, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
 * As I said above, if there is a syntax highlighter that works, I will use it, but I haven't found one yet. I gave the one included with the 2010 wikitext editor a try, and I found two serious show-stopping bugs in the first hour, so I'm back to the functional (although not ideal, obviously) old-timey wikitext editor.
 * I started a discussion at WP talk:AutoEd to see if anyone knew about the apparent incompatibility between the 2010 wikitext editor and AutoEd. has pointed out a possible reason for the incompatibility; I don't know if anyone is available to fix it. – Jonesey95 (talk) 04:03, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
 * I started a discussion at WP talk:AutoEd to see if anyone knew about the apparent incompatibility between the 2010 wikitext editor and AutoEd. has pointed out a possible reason for the incompatibility; I don't know if anyone is available to fix it. – Jonesey95 (talk) 04:03, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
 * I started a discussion at WP talk:AutoEd to see if anyone knew about the apparent incompatibility between the 2010 wikitext editor and AutoEd. has pointed out a possible reason for the incompatibility; I don't know if anyone is available to fix it. – Jonesey95 (talk) 04:03, 10 June 2020 (UTC)

SJJIF Wikipedia
I am trying to add the citations as requested but it wasn't saving because you undid my changes before I could publish. — Preceding unsigned comment added by CrisVee (talk • contribs) 21:02, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
 * There are many unreferenced sections at SJJIF Worlds Gi & NoGi Tournament(NABJJ). Add some citations to those sections before adding new content, please, as I have requested multiple times. – Jonesey95 (talk) 21:08, 9 June 2020 (UTC)

I am going to undo your changes as it took a long time to do. I will add the citations immediately after. I am still learning to use this and was not done to be disruptive. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by CrisVee (talk • contribs) 19:20, 10 June 2020 (UTC)

Secretarybird
Hi. Would you be able to space out the author initials for the article? its one of the last things that needs to be done to pass FAC and I find it too tedious. LittleJerry (talk) 22:04, 14 June 2020 (UTC)
 * ✅. – Jonesey95 (talk) 22:34, 14 June 2020 (UTC)

Discussion about Template:Ruby
I've looked into the changes you've made the other day to the text size within Template:Ruby and its related language variations, and since the changes were made in respect to font size limit guidelines, I feel I'm in no position to argue with it. However, I would like to invite you to a discussion I've started over the general usage of the template within the articles, especially those for Japanese works that frequently convey foreign loanwords through furigana; further details are on the linked talk page. User:SubZeroSilver (talk) 19:22, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the note. I have commented there. I'm happy to help work on the ruby templates if the consensus is that their format should change. – Jonesey95 (talk) 19:53, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Minor technical note that doesn't really have a bearing on the WP talk: you should add the CSS to the templatestyles page. --Izno (talk) 21:10, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Feel free to do that; I don't have the confidence to do it, since I haven't messed around with templatestyles yet. – Jonesey95 (talk) 21:20, 18 June 2020 (UTC)

Undoing a lot of my revisions Comment
Hi Jonesey95,

I noticed you reverted a lot of my wp:cleaner edits for the reference tables missing. I incorporated the new heading into them based on "This article includes a list of references, but its sources remain unclear because it has insufficient inline citations. (April 2020)" I used that header to point out to create the inline citations are needed and to not just create a list of sources used, however, you said having a bulleted list is just as good. Can you please clarify this statement? Do you recommend a better way to do this? Thanks - Bakertheacre (talk) 21:24, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
 * It is not uncommon for articles to have general references in addition to in-line references. Your edits were correct to add reflist templates to articles with in-line references but no reflist template, but the new heading you added was not like anything I have ever seen. If you want to separate the reflist from the general references, a heading like "General references" above the general references is much more common and advised by the guideline I linked above. – Jonesey95 (talk) 00:41, 23 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Thank you Bakertheacre (talk) 21:41, 23 June 2020 (UTC)

SJJIF Worlds Gi & NoGi Tournament(NABJJ) Comment
Hi again Jonesey95,

I noticed on SJJIF Worlds Gi & NoGi Tournament(NABJJ) you stated to fix my script. I am just selecting what WP:Cleaner is putting up as a recommendation. As you can see in this article Brazilian_jiu-jitsu I did put the proper case for it as that is how it is defined throughout the world. As far as Epee, numerous websites list it in a variety of ways, including Epee, Épee, Epée, and Épée. How could I do this properly when various sources list it differently? Thank you in advance for any recommendations you have. Bakertheacre (talk) 21:39, 23 June 2020 (UTC)
 * You have to evaluate any tool's recommendation critically; tools make errors, and you as the human operating the tool are responsible for your edits. Your brain is your best tool; use it every time you make an edit. As for the person's name, we go with what the source says. In this case, the source is https://www.sjjif.com/public/results/351, which says "Epee". – Jonesey95 (talk) 21:43, 23 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Thanks. What about BJJ? Using my brain says it should be how I edited it, which you undid. Since there is an article on Wikipedia that lists it in sentence case, would it be correct? Thanks Bakertheacre (talk) 21:47, 23 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Two answers: 1. If the source lists a tournament name or award name or division in Word Case, you could be justified in using Word Case. 2. If you want to go with MOS instead and use Sentence case for the headers, do that. What is much less reasonable is to user Word Case For All Except two words In A Header, which is what your edit did. – Jonesey95 (talk) 21:56, 23 June 2020 (UTC)

Eisner Award for Best Writer
Thanks for helping clean up the code on the Eisner Award for Best Writer article! Hopefully I got it right this time. : ) Thematthewmurray (talk) 17:02, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
 * , formatting can be tricky. The key is to get the bold or italic marks symmetrical, either all outside brackets/braces or all inside brackets/braces, on a given line of text. – Jonesey95 (talk) 17:17, 25 June 2020 (UTC)

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Pieter Pourbus and copyediting
Hello, As part of the May 2020 GOCE drive, I copyedited the article Pieter Pourbus. I attempted to remove flowery language and to make the article more encyclopedic in tone. However, another editor who had worked on the article previously disagreed with my edits, and is now reinserting flowery language and generally reverting my edits. While I appreciate their taking the time to look over my edits, I feel that their editing goes against NPOV and the MOS. However, they have expressed hostility towards me editing the article, and I'm afraid that if I attempt to discuss and edit the article, the situation would devolve into a flame war. I am unsure of how to handle the situation. Any advice? The war moose (talk) 23:29, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
 * The easiest thing to do it let it go. Remove the page from your watchlist. Multiple people gave this person feedback, but they apparently did not listen. It's not worth getting in a big fight about it. – Jonesey95 (talk) 13:25, 11 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Fair enough. Thanks for your advice. The war moose (talk) 22:21, 26 June 2020 (UTC)

Too tired to think of a subject
I do not appreciate you editing your archived thread to talk down to or patronize me. What you saw was anger, plain and simple. I don't appreciate you stalking my contributions to try and find things to blame my anger on. I'm angry because of the way I've been treated, not because I'm autistic.

I'd like it if you removed the last edit you made to that thread. My actions (right or wrong) speak for themselves. I've explained them several times now. Don't attempt to speak for me or assign incorrect motives to what I've said.

Maybe you'll understand if I put it this way: Everywhere I go, everything I do, people attribute my actions to autism. I have no agency. I'm not even a person anymore because all people care about is a fucking label a shrink placed on me a decade ago. I'm crying now. I'm not sure I'll be able to explain how upsetting it is to be completely brushed off as "just an autist".

Please just delete it. 3nk1namshub (talk) 06:20, 3 July 2020 (UTC)


 * As you appear to be either offline or AFK, I've reverted it with an explanation. As I said in the edit message, please feel free to rewrite in a way that does not remove my agency by bringing up my autism. 3nk1namshub (talk) 06:39, 3 July 2020 (UTC)


 * From my own perspective: I do not think it is ever appropriate to frame another editor's actions as being due to a particular disorder, even when that editor has publicly declared one; correlation does not imply causation. Your comment may not on its own violate policy, and is being unnecessarily confrontational over it, but I also advise you to remove that comment out of your own accord. People with disorders ought to be included, not framed as "different", especially in cases like this where they do not like being singled out. This is something I have learned from real life interactions with numerous people, including some with disorders.--Jasper Deng (talk) 07:17, 3 July 2020 (UTC)


 * As a final message, I'd like to apologize for reverting your edit. In my anger about what I perceived as someone removing my agency, I attempted to deprive you of yours. I would still like the comment in question to be removed, but I will leave that for you to decide. 3nk1namshub (they/them) (talk) 07:24, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
 * I have removed the comment. It was an attempt to be helpful, provide context, and encourage other editors to look at the conversation in a different light, but it did not have the desired effect. I apologize. – Jonesey95 (talk) 13:11, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

Talk page header about archiving
Jonesey95, I'm just letting you know, that the text  at the top of this talk page is a bit misleading. User talk:Jonesey95/Archive4 hasn't been used for archiving since 2016. At the moment the automatic archival configuration is set to per-year archives: User talk:Jonesey95/Archive%(year)d. —⁠andrybak (talk) 08:40, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Fixed. – Jonesey95 (talk) 13:13, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of your sandbox
Hi Jonesey95,

I noticed your sandbox in the maintenance category, which is somewhat unusual as user sandboxes are not typically PROD'ed as they can be deleted per speedy deletion if requested by the author in their own userspace. Since you were both the only editor and since it was within your own userspace, I just thought I'd stop by to give you a friendly tip that you can accelerate requests for deletion in your own userspace by adding, or replacing the PROD tag with, Db-u1 to the top of any page or subpage within your userspace. Turnaround time by an administrator is usually < 24 hours versus waiting the full seven days with PROD.

If you want to leave it up for proposed deletion, though, that is fine as well. I just thought I'd stop by and make you aware of that option.

You can also use Twinkle, in your user preferences to semi-automate the tagging process, if you wish. Happy editing! :)

Cheers,

Dmehus (talk) 16:24, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
 * , thanks for the note. I was working on the PROD templates and experimenting in my sandbox. I have cleared it. – Jonesey95 (talk) 20:09, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Jonesey95, ah, gotcha. That makes sense then. Cool. :) Dmehus (talk) 20:13, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

What was the error?
Could you clarify, what error did you see? -DePiep (talk) 19:56, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
 * I left a clue in my initial edit summary: Attempt to prevent cat name from appearing in plain text, e.g. at Discovery and development of gastrointestinal lipase inhibitors. The first edit didn't actually solve the problem, but the second one did. A space was needed after the category sorting pipe. – Jonesey95 (talk) 20:14, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes, that is why I came here. I could not reproduce old (faulty) situations. Overall: how can a category sortlabel (aka after the | pipe) disrupt a page? -DePiep (talk) 20:29, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
 * You can reproduce the problem by putting this code into Special:ExpandTemplates:


 * I don't know why it happens; that's a question for Wikipedia talk:Categorization. All I know is that my edit appears to have fixed the problem. – Jonesey95 (talk) 21:35, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

Identifier redirects at wikiversity
Hi Jonesey, since Thomas does not respond and you created one of those redirects already, perhaps you could be so kind to create the other redirects at wikiversity as well? (I would do it myself, if my account would not be broken there.) Thanks for your consideration. --Matthiaspaul (talk) 00:08, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

Translation template cleanup
Any thoughts on Bot_requests, in the end, from a month ago? I didn't develop the template any further, but there may be an easy fix I'm unaware of. (And a bad template may be better than the current approach of putting apostrophes around absolutely everything, including strings which are already wrapped in apostrophes or quotemarks.) --Lord Belbury (talk) 11:56, 1 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Been a few months now and the thread has been archived with no further input (Bot_requests/Archive_80). Any thoughts, or suggestions for a more relevant page to flag this up? Or does it seem fine to leave the live templates adding extra apostrophes everywhere? --Lord Belbury (talk) 12:15, 7 July 2020 (UTC)
 * It might help to use a hidden tracking category to see what is out there, then figure out the best way to deal with it. If you need specific help coding the sandbox, you could ask at WP:VPT. – Jonesey95 (talk) 14:58, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

Help with signature
Hello. Recently, a editor sent a notice in my talk page in other wiki that my signature was at odds with the rules. I used this tool and there it indicated that the signature was all clear. The Signatures cite images, it says nothing about using an emoji, which is not classified as an image, but as a unicode character. Could you tell me if you think my signature is WP: SIGIMAGE or if it complies with Signatures? I confess that I am asking more ADMs, both on ptwiki and enwiki, since I want to be sure about the use of my signature. I will be grateful if I can answer my question. Best regards. ✍A.WagnerC (talk) 21:24, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
 * The signature looks OK to me, and the checking tool says that it is fine, so I would not worry about it if I were you. It definitely does not have any Linter errors in it; I don't know as much about other requirements. – Jonesey95 (talk) 22:02, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the answer. I like to ask more than one for security. ✍A.WagnerC (talk) 22:18, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Doing that is not recommended at the English Wikipedia. See WP:TALKFORK. – Jonesey95 (talk) 22:24, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
 * If the signature has a link beginning with either  or   then it contains an image. I see neither of those in 's signature as used in ; therefore, it does not contain an image.
 * On a less positive note, A.WagnerC - you posted basically the same question at User talk:Jimbo Wales and User talk:Redrose64. In none of these three posts did you mention either (i) that you had asked the question two days earlier at User talk:Whatamidoing (WMF) (which is where I first became aware of your problem), or (ii) that had already answered it. This could be construed as being against WP:MULTI and WP:FORUMSHOP. -- Red rose64 &#x1f339; (talk) 22:26, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

Sorry. I asked because in ptwiki they said that was an image and I could use. I also asked to 3 adms in ptwiki. As the answers were different there, I was confused. but I promise not to ask multiple administrators again. I didn't know MULTI. ✍A.WagnerC (talk) 23:22, 6 July 2020 (UTC)
 * , your current sig is acceptable on English Wikipedia (like mine: see WP:Signatures). The Portuguese Wikipedia may have different rules so it would be best to consult the guidelines there. If you want to be certain, just remove the ✍ symbol. Cheers,  Baffle☿gab  05:20, 7 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I opened an appointment in ptwiki, and it is really controversial. Some editors agree others do not. But it seems that here on enwiki there is consensus. ✍A.WagnerC (talk) 05:42, 7 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks but I don't want to get involved and I'm not interested in what happens over there. English Wikipedia and Portuguese Wikipedia clearly have different rules; you should respect the rules of the wiki you are working in. It's possible to use a different sig for each wiki, and imo it would be silly to get blocked over such a minor issue as a sig. Now please go and improve some articles; isn't that why you're here? ;) Bye,  Baffle☿gab  06:19, 7 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Presumably you mean Érico, He7d3r and Fabiojrsouza (please note, I can't read Portuguese). Each Wikipedia (whether English, Portuguese or another) is a separate project, and each is free to decide upon its own rules (provided that they abide by the terms laid down by the WMF). This means that the policies, guidelines and other conventions of one Wikipedia do not necessarily apply on any other Wikipedia. Our policy on custom signatures is at WP:CUSTOMSIG; that of ptwiki is at pt:WP:ASSINE. I have not compared them. -- Red rose64 &#x1f339; (talk) 16:46, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

Orangutan
Hello. Would you be able to do source format cleanup for consistency for orangutan? Thanks. LittleJerry (talk) 22:48, 12 July 2020 (UTC)
 * I have improved the citations to make them more consistent. If you have specific issues, let me know. – Jonesey95 (talk) 16:33, 13 July 2020 (UTC)

Bodyline
Your change to the short description is definitely an improvement, but I'd suggest that "intimidatory cricket bowling tactic" would be even better. It wasn't illegal at the time it was used, though many thought it was unsporting, and it's really more of a tactic than a technique. I'd alter it myself, but I've no idea about how to do so. JH (talk page) 08:54, 14 July 2020 (UTC)
 * The short description is in a template at the top of the page. When you are viewing the page, click the Edit link to see it. – Jonesey95 (talk) 13:26, 14 July 2020 (UTC)

Siamosaurus citations
Hi, would you be able to cleanup citation details on Siamosaurus based on comments done here in the source review? Only the template-related ones of course, I can respond to those in regards to source reliability and such. Many thanks. ▼PσlєοGєєк ƧɊƲΔƦΣƉ▼  22:46, 12 July 2020 (UTC)
 * I've cleaned it up quite a bit. – Jonesey95 (talk) 16:01, 13 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Looks good. Thanks a bunch! ▼PσlєοGєєк  ƧɊƲΔƦΣƉ▼  09:18, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

AIV
Sorry, but we can't do much with that report: too much legwork. The one IP I looked at edited three days ago. If you suspect socking, WP:SPI is the better venue. If vandalism is occurring right now, please report only the IP or IPs that are active. Thanks. Drmies (talk) 01:59, 21 July 2020 (UTC)
 * OK, submitted at Sockpuppet investigations/Nate Speed. Thanks . – Jonesey95 (talk) 04:47, 21 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Ooooh is that who it was... I'll have a look later. Actually, I'm hoping a smarter admin looks at it and figures out what we can do. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 13:10, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

July 2020
STOP re-adding the runtime on The Way of the Dog, it's NOT a TV show, an episode of a TV show, and stay off that page! Stop it means stop it, it does NOT mean continue!!! 2605:A601:A1AB:8700:AC66:9D76:1C58:9BAE (talk) 12:27, 21 July 2020 (UTC)
 * We have been through this at User talk:TheImmortalKitten. You were blocked for edit warring and removing valid template parameters. Please get some help. – Jonesey95 (talk) 14:08, 21 July 2020 (UTC)
 * I helped! --Izno (talk) 15:04, 21 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks. We'll see if it stems the tide or if they continue to hop around. – Jonesey95 (talk) 15:27, 21 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Their range has been consistent for several months now, so I anticipate that it will help for the week. Let me know if it continues after. --Izno (talk) 15:39, 21 July 2020 (UTC)

New message from Neveselbert
Can you confirm you're OK with implementing? Thanks, ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 10:46, 27 July 2020 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * Thanks. I've always enjoyed fixing templates, because a change to one page can fix so many other pages. – Jonesey95 (talk) 20:56, 27 July 2020 (UTC)

Help needed on a technical issue
Firstly, sorry about leaving out all those closing tags, "linter errors".

Please take a look at Template:CardinalsFirstPick, specifically the footer. My changes are somehow coloring the text. I'm guessing I did something wrong but don't know how to fix it. I don't suppose it needs to be fixed at the footer template? --DB1729 (talk) 02:46, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
 * If you remove the basestyle that you added, the footer will go back to normal. I don't know if that's what you want, but that is what is causing the footer colors, I believe. – Jonesey95 (talk) 03:19, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
 * You are correct, that's what causing it. But removing the basestyle also takes away the background color and from the above text. And directly coloring the text without the background looks even worse, unfortunately.
 * When I do something like this with code I'm not familiar with, I usually find something else that's close, fiddle around with it until I get what I want, and move on. Sometimes only to later discover it isn't exactly what I want. (also better known as, not knowing what in the hell I'm doing) --DB1729 (talk) 03:41, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
 * To clarify. By background "color", I mean it actually turns it white in this case. Without it, the default is the bluish-gray background. See here for how it looks without the basestyle and directly coloring the sub-bar text. Not good. --DB1729 (talk) 04:01, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
 * I understand. This is what it looked like before your edits. More of a standard navbox look. If you read the documentation for Navbox, you will find basestyle, abovestyle, and belowstyle, which are probably what you are looking for. Read the descriptions for each and experiment with them. – Jonesey95 (talk) 06:19, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Ahhh, of course, something so simple, now:) I had looked through the navbox doc before and don't remember seeing abovestyle, or realizing it's exactly what I should have been using all along. Thank you very much for the help. --DB1729 (talk) 10:32, 29 July 2020 (UTC)

James Tod
This ain't necessarily so and is a good example of why we should not be using Wikidata here. If you read the article, it becomes apparent that he may well have been Scots. - Sitush (talk) 03:58, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
 * I always check the wikidata description against the summary in the lead, which said "English" and that he was born in London. That was good enough for me. I agree that we should not use wikidata for unsourced statements, which is one reason why I am importing them; page watchers who care about the short description can keep an eye on it when it is in the article. – Jonesey95 (talk) 06:24, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Actually, I think it says "English-born". I agree it is confusing and perhaps I will change it to "born in England". I don't understand the logic of importing the descriptions - it isn't as if I am ever going to edit Wikidata to fix the problem, the interface of which is even more arcane than that for this project. To be honest, I'm not even sure what benefit short descriptions have in any event and they're an absolute minefield for POV/nationalism/casteism in Indian/Pakistani articles, often so subtle that they seem to be missed. - Sitush (talk) 11:19, 29 July 2020 (UTC)

New message from Neveselbert
Hi Jonesey. I've clarified what I meant by stripping. ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 10:41, 28 July 2020 (UTC)
 * I am watching that page and responding when I need to say something new. If you have a question for me, you can ask it there. – Jonesey95 (talk) 13:50, 28 July 2020 (UTC)
 * OK, got it. Can you kindly pass comment on my latest proposal? Thanks, &#8209;&#8209;Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 17:52, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

Peacekeeping Operations Center
Hi Jonsesy; I noticed this article popped back up into the c/e backlog and I noticed you'd already reverted the changes by. Some more changes were made to add two ref urls (I didn't check them) and some text, some of which seems a bit pointy. The reversions were unexplained and I think the edits should have been made to the current version, not a reverted version. I've re-reverted to your version but feel free to re-revert if that's inappropriate. Could it be a loose sockpuppet? Cheers,  Baffle☿gab  14:23, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
 * I've started a discussion on the article's talk page and pinged you there. Cheers,  Baffle☿gab  14:55, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the note. It quacks like a sockpuppet of some sort, but I'll just watchlist the article for now. – Jonesey95 (talk) 16:23, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

Request for assistance with Album chart
Thanks for taking care of my edit request for Cite certification so quickly. I was wondering if you might be able to provide similar assistance on Album chart. There are a few items that have been mentioned on the template's talk page as needing to be addressed, but so far no one with template editing privileges has assisted yet. Do you think you could help? Thanks. Y2Kcrazyjoker4 (talk • contributions) 17:13, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
 * I looked at a couple of the requests and fixed one of them. I don't have the energy to figure out the rest right now. You are welcome to modify the template's sandbox if you have any aptitude with somewhat unpleasant wikicode. – Jonesey95 (talk) 17:27, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you, I appreciate it. Y2Kcrazyjoker4 (talk &bull; contributions) 03:14, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Per your suggestion, I made some changes to the template's sandbox that appear to working properly. Would you be able to apply the same changes to the live version of the template for me? Thank you. Y2Kcrazyjoker4 (talk &bull; contributions) 16:11, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
 * ✅. It looks like there are 21 articles with broken ItalyMV references. Also, please update Album chart/doc. – Jonesey95 (talk) 16:54, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

Saint Croix Parish, New Brunswick.
Hi there.

I'm curious. Is there a policy reason why you changed italics to blockquote in the article? And was that the only change you made?

I was using italics so that any editorial comments would be easier to see. I'm not saying what you did was wrong, just a little harder to follow. G. Timothy Walton (talk) 18:46, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
 * , see WP:MOS and probably surrounding material. --Izno (talk) 22:00, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Simple and easy to understand. G. Timothy Walton (talk) 00:51, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

User:Dank/Sandbox/9
Hi Jonesey, you answered a question about maximum page sizes for me here, at VPT. The list is now on two pages. I've doubled one of those lists at my Sandbox/9 (linked above). Can you tell how close that page is to going over any of the limits? - Dank (push to talk) 15:40, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes, and you can too. Use your web browser's View Source feature, then you can see the page statistics in an HTML comment near the bottom of the source. – Jonesey95 (talk) 17:22, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry, I don't follow, I'll ask at VPT. - Dank (push to talk) 17:39, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
 * If you're looking at the page in Firefox, for example, go to Tools - Web Developer - Page Source, or press Ctrl-U or Command-U. That will show you a new tab with the HTML code that renders the page. Scroll down almost to the bottom to see a commented section that resembles in the one in the VPT section linked above. – Jonesey95 (talk) 18:21, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks, that works. - Dank (push to talk) 18:25, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

Template : Brighton Main Line
I note you recently tidied up the kink in the middle section of this template where Jolly Sailor station is shown. However, where there is supposed to be an icon showing "closed station" on the template, there is the icon for a stub line. Can you please correct this.

Xenophon Philosopher (talk) 04:15, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I don't actually know how to use the intricate and arcane formatting at the rail map templates like Brighton Main Line. I just fix broken syntax. Maybe one of my talk page stalkers would be willing to take a look at it. – Jonesey95 (talk) 04:25, 14 August 2020 (UTC)

Template:Marriage code review
Hi Jonesey. Can you please review and confirm whether it's safe for inclusion in the live template? I've tested the code several times on various article previews, and I haven't found any issues. Much appreciated, ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 20:49, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
 * It's just that I've got time ATM and I'd really like to track/reformat these transclusions. I've done more troubleshooting with the latest code and everything seems to work smoothly. ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 01:27, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Again, none of these changes will be visible to readers, so there'll be no disruption. ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 01:29, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Would it not be OK in the meantime if I just included the code to track cases in a separate subcategory, namely ? ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 21:24, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
 * One discussion in one place, please, per WP:TALKFORK. I am watching the talk page. – Jonesey95 (talk) 21:54, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * It was my pleasure. I think the article's prose is still a bit stilted, but I believe that I improved it quite a bit. We'll see what the reviewers say. Feel free to ping me from the review page if there are prose issues that need addressing. – Jonesey95 (talk) 23:41, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks.--Doug Coldwell (talk) 12:52, 22 August 2020 (UTC)

Can't say I "broke" formatting
Can't say I "broke" formatting. in fact, for some reason, "whataboutism" features 2-3 claims to different people in one paragraph and I only partially separated it into "one claim at a time" style because it's big. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Uchyotka (talk • contribs) 14:54, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
 * This version of Whataboutism had nine misnested tag errors and a lot of misapplied bold formatting. Also, we don't use bullets like that. We use prose in article sections. See MOS:LISTBULLET and MOS:BOLD, for starters. Try making smaller edits and using the Preview feature to ensure that you are getting the results that you want. – Jonesey95 (talk) 15:07, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

Block Quotes in the Island House, Laugharne article
Hi, Thank you for your edits on the above, the consistently excellent quality of debate on this topic and many others continues to astonish me as a novice contributor. As such I bring with me prejudices and habits about written communication acquired over a lifetime but essentially they rely for their influence on the imprint of my school days. Any departure from the principles nailed into my brain during my grammar lessons so many decades ago, causes me distress. Sadly the Wiki guidance on presenting block quotations without quotation marks is one such painful experience. I do understand the need for a community approach to punctuation rules but sadly the complete abandonment of quotation marks is a bridge too far for me. I have now removed the second quotation from Stopp and rewritten the section but the earlier Mary Curtis edit has me impaled on the horns of an intractable dilemma. Its preceding sentence was (rather poorly) constructed to rely on an inline quotation for its sense and detaching that quotation in indented block form simply empties the passage of the intended meaning. With great trepidation I've rewritten it and restored the original format in the hope you will allow me this editorial discretion on the grounds that the quote isn't really that long. Maybe I can be permitted to follow the '6-8 line/ 100 word' direction from CMOS as cited in Block Quotation Your forebearance and indulgence in this matter would be very gratefully received. Horatius At The Bridge (talk) 19:52, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the note, and welcome to Wikipedia. We have our own Manual of Style (MOS) here that may take some getting used to. It looks like you have undone some of the fixes that I put into the article (removing spaces before the sfn templates, for example) to help the article comply better with MOS. Useful sections of the MOS that I have just applied, or reapplied, to the article include MOS:DASH, MOS:REFPUNCT, MOS:DATERANGE, WP:MOS, MOS:INITIALS, MOS:ITALQUOTE, and MOS:DOUBLE. I have also restored some full citation needed templates where there are short references (e.g. Curtis 1880) without matching full references. To see that they are missing, click on one and see that it does not take you to the full citation. Happy editing! – Jonesey95 (talk) 23:53, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm much obliged and will attend to the necessary corrections. Your guidance is greatly appreciated. Horatius At The Bridge (talk) 10:14, 3 September 2020 (UTC)

Hi
Hi User:Jonesey95 could you revert User:Kaustubh42 disruptive edits in Bigg Boss (Hindi season 13) and User:Bbb23 please block him indefinitely he has been doing a lot of vandalism on the page since a long time and is a sock — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A01:4C8:41:E6FF:5D7A:F068:C166:D6DD (talk) 10:20, 5 September 2020 (UTC)

dystopian literature removal of rose macaulay work
Hello. why did you remove the segment on Rose Macaulays What not? it is an important piece of dystopia literature as it was possibly plagiarised by Aldous Huxley's Brave new world? Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Memetimeradiohour (talk • contribs) 13:41, 5 September 2020 (UTC)
 * The lead paragraph of List of dystopian literature explains that This is a list of notable works of dystopian literature. Each listed work should have its own WP article before being listed there. The same thing is explained in a hidden comment at the start of each section. See WP:CSC, bullet 1. When this important work by Rose Macaulay has its own article, it will be welcome on the list. – Jonesey95 (talk) 13:49, 5 September 2020 (UTC)

Hi
User:Jonesey95 please look in could you please look at Talk:Bigg Boss (Hindi TV series) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A01:4C8:41:E6FF:9952:96A5:AC44:FDDE (talk) 13:53, 5 September 2020 (UTC)

Jonesey95 Why is is not done I gave the reason in Bigg Boss talk page. Please do it please look at talk page — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A01:4C8:41:E6FF:9433:300C:28AA:C1B3 (talk) 14:05, 5 September 2020 (UTC)

User:Jonesey95 please look in could you please look at Talk:Bigg Boss (Hindi TV series) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A01:4C8:41:E6FF:9433:300C:28AA:C1B3 (talk) 14:11, 5 September 2020 (UTC)

done
User:Jonesey95 please look in could you please look at Talk:Bigg Boss (Hindi TV series) I have done it please can you please accept it now. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A01:4C8:41:E6FF:544E:DCC7:3B46:60CE (talk) 14:21, 5 September 2020 (UTC)

Template talk:Marriage
Can you kindly confirm whether you are able to see a difference between Special:PermaLink/971382795 and Special:PermaLink/977094151? Much appreciated, ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 15:12, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I am going to decline. I have been unable to communicate effectively on that page. – Jonesey95 (talk) 15:32, 7 September 2020 (UTC)

When you have a moment
Hello J. The time period for this RFC Template talk:Infobox person has expired. I wonder if you can proceed with removing the field from the 23 different infoboxes where it is used. If you would prefer that I post an edit request on the talk page for the infobox no worries just let me know. Also if you think that there should be separate RFC's on the other 22 infoboxes that is okay as well. Thanks for your time and best regards. MarnetteD&#124;Talk 22:48, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
 * This situation is unclear to me. I do not see an RFC header or an RFC closure at that page. I do not see that the discussion was advertised at pages like Template talk:Infobox writer, which is not a wrapper for Infobox person, so I don't feel comfortable applying the results of a discussion at an unrelated template. I recommend setting this discussion up as a real RFC, advertising it on all of the pages that you want to affect, and getting a real consensus. – Jonesey95 (talk) 04:00, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi again. I started the thread as a discussion. A couple responses mentioned running it as a full RFC so I did that on the Aug 7 though I initially put the box in the wrong place. The last response was on Aug 25th and then the RFC template was removed on Sept 6. As I read it the WP:CONSENSUS is clear but, perhaps I made such a hash at the start (as I mentioned in the edit summary hadn't started one in ages) that it needs to be rerun. I get what you are saying about the other pages and can handle those separately. Apologies for all the confusion. If you can give me an idea what to do next it will be appreciated. MarnetteD&#124;Talk 04:34, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I don't know enough about RFCs to help you. It looks like WP:RFCCLOSE offers tips on getting an RFC closed. – Jonesey95 (talk) 14:33, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

Palestinians
Check out the new comment I made on the Palestinian talk, I think u are in charge of editing the page. PoliticalAsianGuy29288282838 (talk) 14:49, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Not me. – Jonesey95 (talk) 14:50, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

Shrinkage (fabric)
Respected Sir,

Kindly have a look at the Copy editing on the subject page and here []. Please allow me to join you in basic copy editing. Thanks and regards RAJIVVASUDEV (talk) 13:12, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
 * You improved the article quite a bit, and added some errors ("relaxed, Dimensional"; "interlooping" was correct; "Fibers to fabric conversion imply" is wrong; "brand can lose its reputation" should not have been changed). Try reading the article aloud to find additional errors, including ones that you have introduced. – Jonesey95 (talk) 14:17, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you so much for your comments. Best regards RAJIVVASUDEV (talk) 14:56, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Sir, I am sorry to bother you again, will appreciate your comments on the recent edits and the errors you pointed out.[] Thanks and regards RAJIVVASUDEV (talk) 17:38, 9 September 2020 (UTC)
 * This is not grammatical: "Shrinkage (in fabric), aka dimensional stability, is the change of fabric dimensions when washed". Using "etc." is not recommended in normal prose, and you neglected to insert a space after the full stop after "etc". You are missing a full stop after the word "journey".
 * I did not look for errors past the first three sentences, in which I quickly found three errors. I recommend reverting your edits and letting someone else try improving the article. Unfortunately, I think that copy editing may not be your strength, and that you may want to look for a way to improve Wikipedia that does not involve modifying prose. – Jonesey95 (talk) 18:13, 9 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Sir, noted. Thanks and regards RAJIVVASUDEV (talk) 18:43, 9 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Sir, noted. Thanks and regards RAJIVVASUDEV (talk) 18:43, 9 September 2020 (UTC)

Ultimate Ninja Storm 4's prose
I don't know if you are interested based on a recent edit but Naruto Shippuden: Ultimate Ninja Storm 4 is probably the biggest Naruto game article. While it's well sourced, the prose might need some revisions. I would ask for a copyedit but I already asked for both, Judgment (video game) and The King of Fighters XIV. Cheers.Tintor2 (talk) 18:11, 13 September 2020 (UTC)

Discussion at Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2020 September 15 § Template:Use shortened footnotes
You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2020 September 15 § Template:Use shortened footnotes. Peaceray (talk) 05:14, 15 September 2020 (UTC)

Manganese, Minnesota
Hi Jonesey. I know you're on a break, but when you have time, care to do a copy edit of Manganese, Minnesota? You were one of the copy editors for Elcor, Minnesota a few years ago, and helped bring it to feature article status. After you have a peak, I'm planning on submitting it for peer review. Stay well during these interesting times! DrGregMN (talk) 20:55, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Done. It needs a sentence or two early in the article explaining why the town was created in the first place. It becomes obvious after a while, but it should be mentioned sooner. – Jonesey95 (talk) 14:42, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Jonesey! You have a gift. I really love having you copy edit my prose. DrGregMN (talk) 21:53, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
 * That's nice of you to say. As I recently told a friend of mine whose novel I copy-edited, it's actually a curse rather than a gift. It makes it hard to read just about anything, because the grammar and usage errors pop out at me! I typically find a copy-editing error every 10 to 50 pages in popular mass market fiction books that have gone through multiple printings. – Jonesey95 (talk) 23:51, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi Jonesey. Manganese, Minnesota has been through peer review and I put it up for GA nomination.  The article has been expanded with additional text since you last looked at it.  Could I ask you for another peek?  Thanks in advance! DrGregMN (talk) 05:08, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Done. It was my pleasure. – Jonesey95 (talk) 15:38, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Hello, Jonesey95. Could I please ask that you add this page to your watch list? I have made many revisions at the request of peer review as I have submitted this article for GA nomination.  However, I will not be submitting it for FA consideration until the Minnesota Historical Society reopens after the COVID-19 pandemic since it will still need specific page citations from historical news articles.  Regards, DrGregMN (talk) 02:07, 19 July 2020 (UTC)
 * ✅. – Jonesey95 (talk) 04:50, 19 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Requesting another copy edit! Regards, DrGregMN (talk) 02:11, 8 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I have had the page on my watchlist, and I haven't seen anything I objected to. I think I dropped in for an edit or two. If reviewers have specific problems with the copy, ping me from the review page and I will take a look. – Jonesey95 (talk) 03:38, 8 August 2020 (UTC)
 * OK, I couldn't resist. I gave it a quick copy editing pass. – Jonesey95 (talk) 14:08, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Page has been through GA review. I have addressed the reviewers criticisms and am awaiting a final determination. Please feel free to check prose. There are other references I wish to add before submitting for FAC, but need to wait until they can be sourced (the Minnesota Historical Society is still closed due to the COVID pandemic). Regards, DrGregMN (talk) 02:25, 16 September 2020 (UTC)

Community Film
Hi! Wanted to check in about this decline. I'm not actually questioning it, but wondered if you knew the history. The article (main space and current draft) appears to be some original research around the topic that they want to add to Wikipedia. Whether or not it's a G12, the material doesn't seem appropriate IMO. Disclosure, I was original AfD nom as well. Thanks and courtesy. <b style="font-family: Verdana; color: #6633FF;">StarM</b> 17:48, 16 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I saw the AfD, and I looked at the history of the article and of the academia page. WP:BACKWARDSCOPY can be tricky to figure out, so the speedy nomination was understandable. If you think that the current page should be deleted from Wikipedia because it is original research, I think there is a process for that. – Jonesey95 (talk) 18:04, 16 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I think it will end up back at AfD if it's accepted into mainspace, but possible others will have different takes on it as you did here.      <b style="font-family: Verdana; color: #6633FF;">StarM</b> 18:59, 16 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I don't have a "take" on it. All I did was remove an inappropriately applied speedy deletion template. – Jonesey95 (talk) 19:44, 16 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I noticed the off-wiki page claims the text was copied from a 2010 blog post and posted without permission as a WP article in July 2011. I can't confirm the reliability of this claim and I've no intention of searching for the claimed original. Cheers,  Baffle☿gab  20:10, 16 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks . That seems to give some credence to the G12. It's a complicated mess that like you I'm not particularly interested in handling unless it goes into main space.      <b style="font-family: Verdana; color: #6633FF;">StarM</b> 01:17, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I admit that I only undertook a cursory assessment - the copyvios report came out as 97.7% copied from external sources, namely Defining |Community Film. I note that that source states "This text of this article was previously available on my community blog in 2010 and was subsequently posted as a Wikipedia article. (18 July 2011)". The question then arises is the same as the source article's creator, Dr. I. D. McCormick, and as such is it actually original research? I guess I will leave that up to others to make that call. Dan arndt (talk) 02:21, 17 September 2020 (UTC)

FYI, I've dropped a permalink to this on the Talk so others who wander by see this history. Thanks all      <b style="font-family: Verdana; color: #6633FF;">StarM</b> 13:00, 17 September 2020 (UTC)

Image PRODs
Apologies if I've been incorrectly tagging things, but at what point is something not functionally in use? One of the two images, for instance, is a logo created for a user's page, and said user has not been active for 10 years. Does it being put on a user page mean it stays around forever? It has no encyclopedic use anywhere else, and therefore shouldn't be moved to Commons. Is it just going to sit forever just because somebody decided almost 15 years ago that they wanted it there?

I'm not trying to be argumentative, I really just want to know the best way to handle it, because leaving them tagged to move to Commons forever isn't a solution. --fuzzy510 (talk) 01:37, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I don't know much about File space, but I presume there is a way to tag files to say "this was tagged as a potential move to Commons, but it should stay here on en.WP". If not, a way to do that should be created. – Jonesey95 (talk) 13:57, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I found it! Esoteric file is for files that are Wikipedia-specific. That is the template for a logo that exists on one user's page. – Jonesey95 (talk) 00:29, 19 September 2020 (UTC)

Guild of Copy Editors September 2020 Newsletter
MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 16:02, 19 September 2020 (UTC)

Draft:Steven Umbrello
Jonesey95, given your experience, and after reviewing your work, I would appreciate some help editing two bio pages that I made (Still new at this).
 * 1) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Steven_Umbrello
 * 2) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batya_Friedman

Do you think you can make some edits to polish these up or at least give me some feedback as to what I can do to make them better? EthicsScholar93 (talk) 14:39, 4 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Umbrello: The overall format is pretty good. Use the person's last name instead of his first name, per MOS:SURNAME. I haven't checked the sources in detail, but I can't tell if this person meets the general notability guidelines. If he does, the article should make that more clear.
 * Friedman: does not appear to meet WP:NACADEMIC or WP:GNG notability standards, so the article might be nominated for deletion. Format looks OK but could be tidied up: please see MOS:CURLY and MOS:SECTIONCAPS for guidance. – Jonesey95 (talk) 18:09, 4 October 2020 (UTC)
 * amazing, thank you so much for the feedback. The lighter edits I have made accoring to your suggestions. The more substantive stuff will take a bit of time to tidy up! EthicsScholar93 (talk) 19:03, 4 October 2020 (UTC)
 * amazing, thank you so much for the feedback. The lighter edits I have made accoring to your suggestions. The more substantive stuff will take a bit of time to tidy up! EthicsScholar93 (talk) 19:03, 4 October 2020 (UTC)

Can you help with Template:NATO command structure?
WRT Template:NATO command structure

Under JFC-NF Norfolk, Virginia, US

The Coat of Arms of JFC-NF does not link to the Joint Force Command Norfolk page. When I try to standardise it with the above similar I failed. Can you help standardise it so the small Coat of Arms links to JFC-NF page? I'm not an expert with templates? Feel free to edit my File:Joint Force Command Norfolk badge.png file here. Or on wiki commons https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Joint_Force_Command_Norfolk_badge.png ? Thank You.

BlueD954 (talk) 12:58, 5 October 2020 (UTC)
 * ✅. – Jonesey95 (talk) 13:30, 5 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you so much. BlueD954 (talk) 08:59, 6 October 2020 (UTC)

Another request for Template:NATO command structure
Hi Jonesey95

Template:NATO command structure

Could you shift JFCNP Allied Joint Force Command Naples and Joint Force Command Norfolk under JFCBS Allied Joint Force Command Brunssum? This the the proper arrangement see https://shape.nato.int/military_command_structure JFCBS, JFCNP and JFC-NP are operational-level commands while AIRCOM, MARCOM and LANDCOM are tactical level commands. I don't want to mess up the chart. Thank you!!!

BlueD954 (talk) 09:22, 6 October 2020 (UTC)
 * That is beyond my abilities. I suggest that you ask for help at Template talk:Tree chart. – Jonesey95 (talk) 13:36, 6 October 2020 (UTC)

Seoul School of Integrated Sciences and Technologies
I am trying to create a new wiki page for our University (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seoul_School_of_Integrated_Sciences_and_Technologies). This is my first time trying to work in Wikipedia and I am using this page as a model: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheung_Kong_Graduate_School_of_Business. Yet, every time I try to improve the page and address the problems, you delete everything. You don't even leave the photos, logo or school info. Why can't you just delete what you think is not appropriate instead of all the content? Can you give some advise about how to fix the content so that is appropriate and you stop deleting it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by ParosePhD (talk • contribs) 03:35, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Please see WP:V, Manual of Style/Layout, MOS:YOU, WP:NOTPROMO, and WP:COPYVIO. Those should provide some good advice for you. Content that is added needs to be sourced with references to reliable sources, formatted correctly (look at the wikicode for Cheung_Kong_Graduate_School_of_Business to see examples), and non-promotional. If the university is your employer, you also must read Conflict of interest before making any edits to the university's page.
 * Thanks for asking, and please respond here if you have further questions. Remember to sign your talk page posts by adding four tildes, like this: – Jonesey95 (talk) 03:46, 7 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks for asking, and please respond here if you have further questions. Remember to sign your talk page posts by adding four tildes, like this: – Jonesey95 (talk) 03:46, 7 October 2020 (UTC)

another code error
Talk:Chemical_element Steue (talk) 23:03, 9 October 2020 (UTC)

RE:Custom signature fix needed
Thanks for informing me. I've replaced my signature with the your fixed example. :)  T eysz K amieński  (talk) 00:41, 14 October 2020 (UTC)
 * , it looks great! – Jonesey95 (talk) 04:22, 14 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I just noticed it pasted the contents of my signature template onto your talk page. On the RuneScape Wiki (the independent one, not Fandom), we paste the template call onto talk/discussion pages and not the contents of it. And I was wondering which way is preferred on the English Wikipedia?  T eysz K amieński  (talk) 21:37, 14 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Nevermind, it's seems 'SUBST:' is forced onto my signature regardless.  T eysz K amieński  (talk) 21:42, 14 October 2020 (UTC)

Disambiguation link notification for October 17
An automated process has detected that when you recently edited Hellman Building, you added a link pointing to the disambiguation page Los Angeles Express.

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Thank you
Thank you for your cleanup help on article Casey Calvert (actress). Much appreciated, Right cite (talk) 15:12, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

lead too short revert
Hi,

Just a ping to say I reverted the recent editprotected request you made to lead too short. Barely twelve hours of discussion (between only you and the requesting party, with no notifications elsewhere) is nowhere near enough to justify a significant reduction in the template's wording, and the requestee's further comments on talk are wildly out of line with the existing consensus on the template. Apologies for stepping on your toes. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 02:05, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the note. My toes are fine; I don't take things personally on WP as long as editors engage in good faith. I disagree that the new wording, which you have reverted, represented a reduction in the template's message, since most of the reduction in word count came from removal of a redundant sentence. I think that the new wording actually added more words that explained the template's reason for existence more fully. In any event, let's not banter here; please propose new text that matches the name of the template on the template's talk page. I will be happy to engage there.
 * As for the requester's original suggestion and their other suggestions, you can see if you read that talk page that I disagreed with most of it, so you and I are probably more aligned than in opposition. – Jonesey95 (talk) 02:50, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
 * As for the requester's original suggestion and their other suggestions, you can see if you read that talk page that I disagreed with most of it, so you and I are probably more aligned than in opposition. – Jonesey95 (talk) 02:50, 20 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Yeah I think that too: I just didn't want to offend you. Cheers. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 09:25, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

Union générale des israélites de France
Hi The form for posting these types of tags is usually to wait until their has been no editing for a fews days or a week or so, not while they are away getting a cup of tea, dude. It just creates more work. I always references articles. I'm autopatrolled. So if you see me editing an article then you know it will be referenced, so please don't post these useless tags.  scope_creep Talk  15:29, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
 * If the article had been in Draft space, I would not have tagged it. If you choose to create an article and put it in article space before it is fully cleaned up and referenced, you are essentially inviting any other editor to edit and tag it.
 * Any page in article space, i.e. in the live encyclopedia that the whole world can see and that is supposed to meet WP:V, with unreferenced sections or stray numbers littering the prose is unprofessional and should be tagged as such. And now I'm off for my own cup of tea; thanks for the idea. – Jonesey95 (talk) 16:02, 20 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Any page in article space, i.e. in the live encyclopedia that the whole world can see and that is supposed to meet WP:V, with unreferenced sections or stray numbers littering the prose is unprofessional and should be tagged as such. And now I'm off for my own cup of tea; thanks for the idea. – Jonesey95 (talk) 16:02, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

Beaver
Hi. Could you fix up the sources for beaver so the formatting is consistent? Thank you. LittleJerry (talk) 18:14, 17 October 2020 (UTC)
 * ✅. Probably not 100.00%, but pretty close. – Jonesey95 (talk) 15:30, 18 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Sorry, but now I need a copyedit of the whole article. I nominated it already but it still takes a while for someone to respond. LittleJerry (talk) 19:36, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

Hanumanthegowda
Is there a way to encourage non Kannada users to give a say in the deletion discussion? The users stating keep are all Kannada users. Thank you.TamilMirchi (talk) 19:10, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Post a neutral note at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Film/Indian cinema task force. A "neutral note" means something like "There is a deletion discussion about Hanumanthegowda at Articles for deletion/Hanumanthegowda. Interested editors are encouraged to participate." A non-neutral note would be something like "Hey guys, can you please go over to Articles for deletion/Hanumanthegowda and vote to keep the article?" – Jonesey95 (talk) 19:14, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

Reply
Thanks for letting me know. Done Removed Bloodlust Zombies for now. What do you think of the new article so far? Right cite (talk) 15:13, 23 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Which new article? I keep getting distracted by all of your porn stars.... – Jonesey95 (talk) 15:52, 23 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Bloodlust Zombies. Right cite (talk) 15:58, 23 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I love that there is so much academic commentary on this B movie. Publish or perish (which also might be a good name for a zombie grad school comedy). – Jonesey95 (talk) 16:07, 23 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Great idea! Right cite (talk) 16:12, 23 October 2020 (UTC)

Delete unsupported parameters
and if possible, delete unsupported parameters ... thank you! Is there a way to tell AWB to do this as part of general fixes? TerraCyprus (talk) 16:33, 27 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I don't use AWB, but you could ask at the talk page for AutoWikiBrowser/Rename template parameters if that page could be used to delete, rather than rename, empty unsupported parameters. – Jonesey95 (talk) 17:18, 27 October 2020 (UTC)

I'm sure you will think this is overdoing it
... but I was thinking what a fool I made of myself the other day. Last apology. <b style="color: red;">E</b><b style="color: blue;">Eng</b> 10:27, 28 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Seppuku-2.jpg

Edit conflicts
Hello Jonesey95, thank you for reviewing my edit. I think it is important to distinguish between an edit conflict and conflicts that are substantial and need to be sorted out between minds of good intent. An edit conflict is just a clusterfail of too many edits at the same time. I plan to just revert your undo. my edit is short and important. do you still feel strongly that my contribution should be struck? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Electricmic (talk • contribs) 11:15, 28 October 2020 (UTC) Electricmic (talk) 11:20, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

Hi Jonesey95 maybe the term "edit conflict" should be changed to "concurrent edits problem"
 * I asked you to discuss your proposed change on the talk page, Help talk:Edit conflict. Click on the "New section" link there and propose a specific change. Changing the concise summary of a long-standing page is probably not optimal. – Jonesey95 (talk) 13:20, 28 October 2020 (UTC)

October blitz bling
And thanks for handing out the awards! Tdslk (talk) 04:14, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks! On to November. – Jonesey95 (talk) 04:37, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

Rollover Number
Hello:

Sorry for the error on the rollover total. I have no idea how these numbers work. I had a rollover number for September's drive of 1405660.5 which ended up as 17992.5 for the forthcoming drive. I assumed there was a typo. Thanks for catching my mistake.

Cheers,

Twofingered Typist (talk) 13:34, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
 * The mystery deepens! I was trusting the "0" in the previous rollover count, but of course that was wrong. I went back to the July drive Barnstars page and found the correct number. I think it's all fixed up now. We're going to have to make a new barnstar for you if you hit two million words; we should have done it at a million. – Jonesey95 (talk) 17:12, 30 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks for checking this out. A barnstar is really unnecessary, but I appreciate the thought. Twofingered Typist (talk) 18:12, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

ANNO
I just noticed your changes at. Are you going to monitor the tracking category? Did you notice the doc page says "If papers are missing please report this at the discussion page; they can then be quickly added." But since the linked talk page doesn't exist on en.wp, I didn't believe reporting it there would result in a quick fix. :) It will probably be years before this happens again. Thanks for adding the missing periodical. <b style="color:#00FF00">MB</b> 20:14, 11 November 2020 (UTC)
 * There is not a convenient way to watchlist a single category page for changes to its contents, but I put a note on that page saying to post on the talk page (which I just created). I also have that template and talk page on my watchlist. I agree that it probably won't happen again for many years. – Jonesey95 (talk) 21:25, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

Scorpion
Hello. Would you mind cleaning up the source formatting for scorpion? Thanks. LittleJerry (talk) 21:05, 12 November 2020 (UTC)
 * ✅. It wasn't too bad. Diffs here; let me know if I missed anything or made any errors. – Jonesey95 (talk) 03:32, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Category:UK stations with missing location


A tag has been placed on Category:UK stations with missing location requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section C1 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the category has been empty for seven days or more and is not a disambiguation category, a category redirect, a featured topics category, under discussion at Categories for discussion, or a project category that by its nature may become empty on occasion.

If you think this page should not be deleted for this reason, you may contest the nomination by visiting the page and clicking the button labelled "Contest this speedy deletion". This will give you the opportunity to explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. However, be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag from the page yourself, but do not hesitate to add information in line with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Liz <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">Read! Talk! 15:50, 14 November 2020 (UTC)

Discussion at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Laguna del Maule (volcano)/archive2
You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Laguna del Maule (volcano)/archive2. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 11:02, 18 November 2020 (UTC)

Paschimbhag copperplate inscription
Thanks for editing in Paschimbhag copperplate inscription. I worked a month long on the related article on Bengali Wikipedia to make it a GA. But when I translated it to enwiki, it looks too messy like my grammar. :( Can you please help me by copyediting the article. It also needs to be reviewed. Thank you once again. AdiBhai (talk) 15:38, 18 November 2020 (UTC)

font size
Hello, saw you changed a font size for a catalog number. I often see a smaller font for catalog numbers (especially with jazz albums), so was wondering if there is an actual consensus in regard to this specific example. Of course, per a recent discussion on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Albums, catalog numbers themselves have been up for debate. Thanks. Caro7200 (talk) 15:10, 18 November 2020 (UTC)
 * I expect that I explained the reason for my edit in the edit summary. In any event, always link to a diff, or at least to an article, when you have a question about a particular edit that someone has made. I have edited over 100,000 different articles, so there is no chance that I will recall the edit that you are describing. – Jonesey95 (talk) 16:42, 18 November 2020 (UTC)
 * I see, and of course you have edited these 100,000 articles within the past 24 hours... Take care. Caro7200 (talk) 21:02, 18 November 2020 (UTC)
 * ??? You came to me with a question. If you want an answer, I have explained how to help me provide one. I can't read minds or otherwise inhabit your consciousness. – Jonesey95 (talk) 21:49, 18 November 2020 (UTC)

on math
Regarding math, 1. I anticipate someone reverting you. 2. However, even should that occur, the actual correct solution to indenting with colons is to change &lt;math> to &lt;math display="block">. 3. I vaguely recall a somewhat contentious discussion in the talk archived on the point in fairly recent memory.

Just letting you know. --Izno (talk) 19:45, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the note. I don't know why I would be reverted for recommending a seamless (as far as I can tell) change that improves HTML validity and accessibility. As for display="block", I tried that (see the last section), and it has problems when there is additional content following the math formula, like a reference. Wrapping the whole line in a div looks like the best way to maintain the desired formatting. – Jonesey95 (talk) 19:51, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
 * But is objectionable for worse reasons to the same people who rejected a fix to affected guidelines pages prior. I assert content should generally not follow a formula in the same way we do not generally follow blockquotes with content (or at least references, since those are not part of the quotations in such cases. --Izno (talk) 20:16, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Your solution also does not play so nicely with VE which can't deal with the math inside a template natively, but can in either the prior form or the display form. --Izno (talk) 20:19, 22 November 2020 (UTC)
 * References can go inline inside of block content if it makes sense for them to be there. See Template:Quote for just one example of recommended and semantically valid usage that is common throughout en.WP. As for a recommendation that improves accessibility and semantic validity but is incompatible due to a bug in, or inadequate programming of, the beta Visual Editor, that's how it goes with beta software; there are plenty of higher-priority VE bugs in phabricator that have gone unfixed for years. – Jonesey95 (talk) 22:26, 22 November 2020 (UTC)

Quick note
Hi Jonesey, hope all is well. I just wanted to mention (regarding the Infobox Christian leader discussion) that in my experience, I've generally found it good practice to avoid completing an edit request that another admin or template editor is already involved in responding to. It avoids confusion. Just a helpful tip I've gleaned. Cheers,  Ergo Sum  18:23, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the note. FWIW, I have found it helpful to mark template edit requests as "answered=yes" if a consensus has not yet been reached. That way, TPEs and admins who have User:AnomieBOT/TPERTable on their watchlists won't be made aware of the edit request before it is ready for action.
 * The conversation looked like it had reached consensus, and the edit request was marked as unanswered (which is supposed to happen only if there is consensus or a non-controversial request), so I implemented it after testing it in the sandbox (the sandbox had not been edited, so I figured that no template editors were involved in the conversation yet; checking the user rights of all of the conversation participants is beyond what I am willing to do for an easy request). It was no big deal to undo the edit, and I certainly don't take any of it personally. Happy editing! – Jonesey95 (talk) 18:33, 23 November 2020 (UTC)
 * The conversation looked like it had reached consensus, and the edit request was marked as unanswered (which is supposed to happen only if there is consensus or a non-controversial request), so I implemented it after testing it in the sandbox (the sandbox had not been edited, so I figured that no template editors were involved in the conversation yet; checking the user rights of all of the conversation participants is beyond what I am willing to do for an easy request). It was no big deal to undo the edit, and I certainly don't take any of it personally. Happy editing! – Jonesey95 (talk) 18:33, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

More lint errors emerging from
Thank you for fixing the various templates that included

There are related markup issues. User talk:Mifter/Archive Undated includes the markup, which has a Multiline table in list lint error coming from the markup

You can find templates with this markup using insource search for ":::::This template should only be used on file pages.". The first such template I looked at is, which is protected, so I can't edit it. So, I'm messaging you. It would be slightly more grammatical to say, "This template should be used only on file pages." I would move "only" in the "image pages" templates also. And looking beyond these two group of templates, I note that the search can be expanded to
 * insource search for ":::::This template should only be used on", with over 100 hits. Some of these templates may be triggering Multiline table in list lint errors. —Anomalocaris (talk) 00:37, 24 November 2020 (UTC)
 * I'll take a look. This may take a bit of time. – Jonesey95 (talk) 02:05, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

December 2020 Guild of Copy Editors Newsletter
MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 03:46, 8 December 2020 (UTC)

User:Paptilian
Copy edit. Try me out. See me here. User:Paptilian Paptilian  (talk)  19:58, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Based on the content of your user and user talk pages, I don't think copy editing is a good choice for you. I hope you find something useful to work on. I encourage you to look at Help:Getting started. – Jonesey95 (talk) 20:57, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Please consider having a look now. Paptilian   (talk)  17:28, 10 December 2020 (UTC)

Final draft:User:Paptilian/Draft of the Outline of Colorado for the WikiProject: Colorado Paptilian  (talk)  19:29, 10 December 2020 (UTC)
 * That page is incomprehensible, I am sorry to say. – Jonesey95 (talk) 20:15, 10 December 2020 (UTC)

GOCE November drive barnstars
Better late than never. Reidgreg (talk) 18:32, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks, ! – Jonesey95 (talk) 19:09, 15 December 2020 (UTC)

correct errors
Dear Jonesey95, The link below is wrong https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Template:Komala_offshoots&action=history three of them don't exist, this is just a creaminess. Like what I have done is truth if evidence is still there is enough evidence Bedankt--Keywankomala (talk) 17:53, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
 * The template is meant to show the history of the party and its successors. The problem is that you keep breaking the template. Please use Preview. – Jonesey95 (talk) 18:08, 15 December 2020 (UTC)Jonesey95
 * But this history is wrong, Iranian regime has made! Real history is another thing. Can you correct? Komala Party of Iranian Kurdistan – Reunification Faction (2008–2014) Socialist Faction of Komala (2009–present) the following do not exist Thanks alot--Keywankomala (talk) 19:27, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
 * There are many articles on Wikipedia about things that no longer exist. It is not a problem. The article that mentions the Socialist Faction of Komala has a cited source that explains the formation of that faction on page 23. If you can find a reliable source that says that the faction no longer exists, please add it to that article and change the word "present" in the template to the correct end date. – Jonesey95 (talk) 19:50, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Jonesey95these two are the same so does not exist click ok names and view articles (Komala Kurdistan's Organization of the Communist Party of Iran)(Socialist Faction of Komala)--Keywankomala (talk) 20:08, 15 December 2020 (UTC)

Tech News: 2020-52
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 * Because of the holidays the next issue of Tech News will be sent out on 11 January 2021.

Recent changes
 * The  template shows when a statement in a Wikipedia article needs a source. If you click on it when you edit with the visual editor there is a popup that explains this. Now it can also show the reason and when it was added.

Changes later this week
 * There is no new MediaWiki version this week or next week.

Future changes
 * You can propose and discuss what technical improvements should be done for geographic information. This could be coordinates, maps or other related things.
 * Some wikis use LanguageConverter to switch between writing systems or variants of a language. This can only be done for the entire page. There will be a  tag that can convert a piece of text on a page.
 * Oversighters and stewards can hide entries in Special:AbuseLog. They can soon hide multiple entries at once using checkboxes. This works like hiding normal edits. It will happen in early January.

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draft
Hello, what is your opinion about the draft? Does it have enough reputation to create, and to say that there is a wiki in the wikidata. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 5.114.142.17 (talk) 00:28, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
 * I have no opinion on it. – Jonesey95 (talk) 01:17, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

Edit request on Cabinet talk page
Regarding this edit request, will it be okay for me to fulfil it since I know what the editor is requesting? Sdrqaz (talk) 22:10, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Absolutely. – Jonesey95 (talk) 00:12, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

Blocking afds
Hi, is there really no way to auto revert anybody posting Article for Deletion and prod warnings from my talk page? I want something to block them, I'm sick of logging in and seeing them.† Encyclopædius  08:40, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure why you're asking me. It looks like you created a bunch of articles that are barely sourced and uploaded files that are no longer used, and it is polite to notify creators when their creations are nominated. You could clean them up yourself, I guess. I don't know how to suppress the messages; a month or three ago, I received (what, in my memory, seems like) a few dozen semi-automated category deletion messages when a large set of categories that I had created (that were needed at the time) were renamed as part of a large template/category improvement project. That's just how it goes. I just let them post to my talk page, and then deleted them in a batch or reverted or archived them. No big deal. I knew that it wasn't personal. – Jonesey95 (talk) 18:26, 24 December 2020 (UTC)

The post office even works on Christmas!
DMacks (talk) 16:28, 25 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the note. I prefer to receive WP-relevant messages on WP. – Jonesey95 (talk) 19:38, 25 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Certainly. The particular subject follows related on-wiki developments and adjusts strategy accordingly. DMacks (talk) 21:31, 25 December 2020 (UTC)