User talk:Kaldari/Archive 13

Women in Chile
Hi Kaldari! I just wanted to let you know that I dropped by Alissahart's talk page an awarded her the Mind the Gap award for a job well done on the Women in Chile article. Thanks for providing your input to Alissa as well, regarding the article. I just wanted to let you know in case you wanted to drop by and show some wikilove (or a +1 to the award!). Tata Sarah (talk) 21:40, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

Women in Engineering suggestions
Hi Kaldari. Thanks for your suggestions regarding my women in engineering page. I'll be sure to take them into account as I finish my article in the next couple of weeks. How should incorporate information regarding "women in engineering" outside the U.S? Should I include a section in the article, or should I go throughout the entire page and insert information? I know the second option may seem preferable, but that would be a pretty extensive task and I feel that would have to necessitate me altering much of my existing page as well. Would the first option be acceptable? Could I simply include a section called "women in engineering outside the United States", or something of the like, and proceed from there?

J hernan26 (talk) 22:37, 3 April 2012 (UTC)J hernan26

Roe v. Wade FAR
Hi Kaldari - The Roe v. Wade FAR has been ongoing for a while and has been moved to the FARC section. It could use some comments on whether the article should be kept or delisted. Thanks! Dana boomer (talk) 14:24, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

The Tea Leaf - Issue Two
Hi! Welcome to the second edition of The Tea Leaf, the official newsletter of the Teahouse! You are receiving The Tea Leaf after expressing interest or participating in the Teahouse! To remove yourself from receiving future newsletters, please remove your username here. -- Sarah (talk) 21:42, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Teahouse celebrates one month of being open! This first month has drawn a lot of community interest to the Teahouse. Hosts & community members have been working with the project team to improve the project in many ways including creating scripts to make inviting easier, exploring mediation processes for troubling guests, and best practices regarding mentoring for new editors who visit the Teahouse.
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 * Early metrics on retention. It's still too early to draw conclusions about the Teahouse's impact on new editor retention, but, early data shows that 38% of new editors who participate at the Teahouse are still actively editing Wikipedia 2-4 weeks later, this is compared with 7% from a control group of uninvited new editors who showed similar first day editing activity. Additional metrics can be found on the Teahouse metrics page.
 * Nine new hosts welcomed to the Teahouse. Nine new hosts have been welcomed to the Teahouse during month one: Chicocvenancio, Cullen328, Hallows AG, Jeffwang, Mono, Tony1, Worm That Turned, Writ Keeper, and Nathan2055. Welcome to the Teahouse gang, folks!
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Welcome template, FYI
Hey, since you were involved in this decision and made the change to the template, the welcome template change has been reverted: Template_talk:Welcome. Just wanted to let you know. Sarah (talk) 19:41, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

WITCH
This might be a fun project sometime: Women's International Terrorist Conspiracy from Hell. Stumbled across it while assessing WP Feminism articles! Sarah (talk) 05:11, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

Request
Hi, I'll be just about ready to submit my "women in engineering in the United States" page for a class grade in a couple of days, but I had one very important request. I do not have an original copy of the page from before I started editing it on March 9th. My initial contribution is the earliest thing I have, but I need something from just a few days earlier. Would you happen to have this?

J hernan26 (talk) 21:14, 13 April 2012 (UTC)J hernan26

A barnstar for you!

 * Thanks, although most of the credit goes to Mr.Z-man. Kaldari (talk) 05:17, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

Picture of Pinson, Tennessee
How did you happen to be in Pinson? -- Orange Mike &#x007C;  Talk  18:35, 18 April 2012 (UTC) (a Deanburg boy by heritage, but born in Jackson)
 * I was driving across Tennessee and decided to visit the Pinson Mounds. I took the photo with my cell phone so it's pretty bad. If you're ever in the area maybe you can take a better one, although there isn't really much to photograph :) Kaldari (talk) 18:46, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Did you taste the water from the artesian well there? Definitely an acquired taste, one I still have from my childhood. I performed a wedding on top of the main temple mound in that complex; the marriage didn't work out, but the ceremony was moving (the couple were both student archeologists). I haven't been down that way since I buried momma back in 1994 or so. and the picture is not that bad. -- Orange Mike &#x007C;  Talk  21:19, 18 April 2012 (UTC)

File:Nutshell.png
Sure, I'd be happy to do that. I thought that the template did link to the image page, and that that provided attribution. Does the template somehow circumvent the link to the image description page? In any case, how exactly should I re-license the image? -- Renesis (talk) 21:15, 18 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Done! Thanks for your work in making sure everything is in proper order. -- Renesis (talk) 03:03, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

File:Textsizebug.jpg listed for deletion
A file that you uploaded or altered, File:Textsizebug.jpg, has been listed at Files for deletion. Please see the to see why this is (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry), if you are interested in it not being deleted. Thank you. -- Тимофей ЛееСуда . 21:24, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

Reference Tooltips
I'd prefer if this edit were reverted. The lack of delay was deliberate, and I don't think a random user is at all likely to just sit with their mouse over a reference link for 500 milliseconds, so the delay makes the tool mostly useless. So long as there hasn't been a community discussion supporting the change, I'd rather the old version be used. Thank you. --Yair rand (talk) 08:10, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

PORNBIO
Since you've participated in the discussion about WP:PORNBIO, I am notifying you of my proposal tightening the criteria that you may wish to weigh in on at Wikipedia_talk:Notability_(people). Morbidthoughts (talk) 07:51, 28 April 2012 (UTC)

WikiCup 2012 April newsletter
Round 2 of this year's WikiCup is over, and so we are down to our final 32, in what could be called our quarter-finals. The two highest scorers from each pool, as well as the next 16 highest scorers overall, have entered round 3, while 30 participants have been eliminated. Pool B's remains our top scorer with over 700 points; he continues to gain high numbers of points for his good articles on The X-Files, but also Millennium and other subjects. He has also gained points for a good topic, a featured list, multiple good article reviews and several did you knows. Pool E's was second, thanks primarily to his biology articles, with Pool H's  coming in third, with an impressive 46 did you knows, mostly on the subject of baseball. Casliber and Cwmhiraeth both scored over 600 points. Pools E and H proved our most successful, with each seeing 5 members qualify for round 3, while Pools C and D were the least, with each seeing only 3 reach round 3. However, it was Pool G which saw the lowest scoring, with a little under 400 points combined; Pool H, the highest scoring group, saw over triple that score.

65 points was the lowest qualifying score for round 3; significantly higher than the 11 required to enter round 2, and also higher than the 41 required to reach round 3 last year. However, in 2010, 100 points were needed to secure a place in round 3. 16 will progress to round 4. In round 3, 150 points was the 16th highest score, though, statistically, people tend to up their game a little in later rounds. Last year, 76 points secured a place, while in 2010, a massive 250 points were needed. Guessing how many points will be required is not easy. We still have not seen any featured portals or topics this year, but, on the subject of less common content types, a small correction needs to be made to the previous newsletter: File:Wacht am Rhein map (Opaque).svg, our first featured picture, was the work of both and, the latter of whom has also gone on to score with File:Map of the Battle of Guam, 1944.svg. Bonus points also continue to roll in; this round, earned triple points for her good articles on William the Conqueror and the Middle Ages, Casliber and Cwmhiraeth both earned triple points for their work on Western Jackdaw, now a good article,  earned triple points for her work on lettuce and work by  to ready antimony for good article status earned him triple points. managed to expand Vitus Bering far enough for a did you know, which was also worth triple points. All of these highly important topics featured on 50 or more Wikipedias at the start of the year.

An article on the WikiCup in the Wikimedia Blog, "Improving Wikipedia with friendly competition", was posted at the end of April. This may be of interest to those who are signed up to this newsletter, as well as serving as another way to draw attention to our project. Also, we would again like to thank and, for continued help behind the scenes. As ever, if you are concerned that your nomination, be it at good article candidates, a featured process or anywhere else, will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on WikiCup/Reviews. Questions are welcome on Wikipedia talk:WikiCup and the judges are reachable on their talk pages or by email. Good luck! If you wish to start receiving or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. J Milburn (talk &bull; email) and The ed17 (talk &bull; email) 23:14, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

Thanks and double thanks!
Hi Kaldari, thanks so much for the welcome to Wikipedia, but also, a big thanks for creating WikiProject Feminism! Such a thing definitely needs to exist. I'm a proud trans/queer feminist and looking forward to editing articles related to feminism and watching others for gender bias. Avory (talk) 13:19, 3 May 2012 (UTC)

Need assistance
Referencing Here and Also here. All I need are Search Keywords for Tedder to set up this bot. I think the Women's History project is missing a valuable tool without it. I keep getting referred around, but no one seems to know how to come up with the search keywords for this. Are you able to assist? Maile66 (talk) 12:10, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

Need comment
Hi Kaldari, I need your comment on Gender. User:Flyer22 and I came to a conclusion but user:Bonze blayk reverts my edits without taking part in discussion (Edit warring). I'm tired of editing this article for now. Thanks. --Taranet (talk) 14:52, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

Wiki takes Norrköping
We arranged Wiki takes Norrköping today, and it was a great success! Thank you! It's just one problem. Anyone can upload photos except for me. I can register my team, select the image and upload it. But every time I press the "sort my photos" disappears all my pictures. Im using Mac OS X version 10.6.8 I have tried with both Safari and Firefox (and even the non-flash upload). Is this a known problem and is there any solution?--ArildV (talk) 20:35, 12 May 2012 (UTC)

RefToolbar at el.wikipedia
Hello, some time ago I installed RefToolbar as a gadget in el.wikipedia.

Since a couple of months (I guess when it was moved from gadget to default common.js in en.wikipedia) it stopped working.

I tried following the instructions to reinstall it again as a gadget but failed. Please have a look at it, this happened just in the time that we were thinking to make it a default gadget for everyone.

The pages I copied/modified are:
 * el:MediaWiki:Gadget-refToolbar.js
 * el:MediaWiki:RefToolbarLocal.js
 * el:MediaWiki:RefToolbarConfig.js
 * el:MediaWiki:RefToolbarMessages-el.js
 * el:MediaWiki:RefToolbarMessages-en.js (just to be sure it wasn't a lang problem)

Thanks in advance. -- geraki T L 09:47, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

MediaWiki:RefToolbar.js
Please see: WP:VPT. The "Cite" button on the RefTool bar isn't showing up unless I manually put the code on my .js page. Your input is appreciated! --Funandtrvl (talk) 00:59, 11 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Please see: Wikipedia talk:RefToolbar 2.0. I un-installed the .js script, and it doesn't work in IE9. Am I supposed to install the script or is it automatic when I have the two edit toolbar functions checked on, in my preferences? (which is how I thought it's supposed to work??) --Funandtrvl (talk) 20:29, 11 May 2012 (UTC)
 * You know what I just noticed--the "Cite" button appears when I edit a section in the WP/Category/Template/User namespaces, but not the main article namespace. Maybe that info will help you find the error? --Funandtrvl (talk) 20:56, 11 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I know you're busy, but any word on why the "Cite" button in RefToolbar 2.0 doesn't work in the main article space, but works in the other namespaces? Thanks, --Funandtrvl (talk) 16:56, 14 May 2012 (UTC)

Nomination of Fanny Imlay for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Fanny Imlay is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Articles for deletion/Fanny Imlay until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion template from the top of the article. --jbmurray (talk • contribs) 14:45, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

Sections tag
I wasn't sure if the tag could be used in multiple ways or not. I don't mind if you remove it. --Thebirdlover (talk) 22:58, 15 May 2012 (UTC)
 * You too, Nice wikifying. --Thebirdlover (talk) 23:03, 15 May 2012 (UTC)

Talkback
-Scottywong | confer _ 16:05, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

Indestructability of wikipedia
In retrospect, I think WP:Terminal should be made a real policy. SYSS Mouse (talk) 15:41, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

We both can do it
Thanks for the fine work on the poster article, especially adding this non-free image. Cheers! Binksternet (talk) 19:51, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

Dev changes
"And for the record, we try really hard to get community feedback before changes are deployed" - of course I would miss it since I'm an intermittent visitor there, but how about running proposed changes past WP:VP(T)? It's not, I think, reasonable to expect the average editor, even technically minded, to visit Bugzilla. Rich Farmbrough, 05:13, 27 May 2012 (UTC).


 * I agree completely. We're trying to do more outreach to WP:VP(T), the Signpost, and the various mailing lists, and I'm open to other suggestions. Unfortunately, though, this doesn't always scale well for the numerous small changes, which is why a lot of them only get advertised on mediawiki.org. Kaldari (talk) 05:29, 27 May 2012 (UTC)
 * Personally most of the stuff that gets complained about doesn't affect me. But what does concern me is that the bugs I do care about (did care about before they stopped me working) just sit there for year after year, while what seem to me fairly irrelevant fluff (begging everyone's pardon) get fixed and argues about.  I'm thinking parser bugs, lack of string functions and reasonably efficient cross-wiki transclusion.  On many wikis 90% of the edits are interwiki update edits.  I don't understand why this isn't priority one.  Rich Farmbrough, 05:44, 27 May 2012 (UTC).


 * All of the things you mention are currently under development, but they are fairly big projects that will take a while to actually get deployed. The parser is getting rewritten as part of the visual editor project; the string functions will be part of Scribunto (also see ); and the cross-wiki transclusion is part of Wikidata. Kaldari (talk) 06:12, 27 May 2012 (UTC)
 * This is people falling into their brains. I'm sure these are all very worthy projects but we could have had parser functions years ago, and migrated to Lua, the parser fix I think is written - and tested, just needs deploying, and it was a Summer of Code problem to fix the cross-wiki transclusion - which just need a little tweaking to go live (in fact it could have gone live I'm pretty sure). Oh well. Rich Farmbrough, 07:16, 27 May 2012 (UTC).


 * Unfortunately, I'm not familiar with the code you refer to, but what you describe isn't an uncommon occurrence. As the Wikimedia Foundation is still a very small organization, a lot of things end up falling through the cracks or getting postponed indefinitely due to limited resources. In the case of MediaWiki especially, the last 10% of development (getting it from "mostly finished" to "polished, bug-free, and working everywhere") takes 50% of the time. And it's often difficult to find time to work on random bugs that aren't associated with the bigger projects we're assigned to. This is why the Foundation recently implemented 20% time for developers, which will hopefully address this problem. From now on, WMF developers are supposed to devote 20% of their time to working with volunteer/community developers, doing code review, and fixing bugs flagged by the community. I have to wonder though if 20% is actually enough. Kaldari (talk) 07:35, 27 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I've been there. I've also run teams where we have had to deal with big problems and little problems - and bean-counters who didn't understand.  But I offered, for example, to sort out the backups about 5 years ago, and was totally ignored.  We went without data dumps until Ariel got on the case three years later - that was a sheer waste. I think 20% if it's used well will be very profitable.  If it's used just to do more of the same it's pointless.  And of course programmers are in their comfort zone programming.  Much harder to liaise with "amateurs" on a professional basis (and I've been there too).  Rich Farmbrough, 07:51, 27 May 2012 (UTC).


 * Heh, 5 years ago the Foundation had about 10 developers and operated out of a closet somewhere in St. Petersburg. At least things aren't that bad anymore :) Kaldari (talk) 07:59, 27 May 2012 (UTC)

WikiCup 2012 May newsletter
We're halfway through round 3 (or the quarter finals, if you prefer) and things are running smoothly. We're seeing very high scoring; as of the time of writing, the top 16 all have over 90 points. This has already proved to be more competative than this time last year- in 2011, 76 points secured a place, while in 2010, a massive 250 was the lowest qualifying score. People have also upped their game slightly from last round, which is to be expected as we approach the end of the competition. Leading Pool A is, whose points have mostly come from a large number of did you knows on marine biology. Pool B's leader,, is for the first time not our highest scorer at the time of newsletter publication, but his good articles on The X-Files and Millenium keep him in second place overall. leads Pool C, our quietest pool, with content in a variety of areas on a variety of topics. Pool D is led by, our current overall leader. Nearly half of Casliber's points come from his triple-scored Western Jackdaw, which is now a featured article.

This round has seen an unusually high number of featured lists, with nearly one in five remaining participants claiming one, and one user,, claiming two. Miyagawa's featured list, 1936 Summer Olympics medal table, was even awarded double points. By comparison, good article reviews seem to be playing a smaller part, and featured topics portals remain two content-types still unutilised in this competition. Other than that, there isn't much to say! Things are coming along smoothly. As ever, if you are concerned that your nomination—whether it is at good article candidates, a featured process, or anywhere else—will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on WikiCup/Reviews. Questions are welcome on Wikipedia talk:WikiCup, and the judges are reachable on their talk pages or by email. Good luck! If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. J Milburn (talk • email) and The ed17 (talk • email) 23:36, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

Rape culture - how best to progress and resolve the ongoing WP:NPOV Dispute?
Well it's coming up to 6 months (8 Jan 2012) since I first raised the issues with the rape culture entries and the WP:NPOV - Systemic Bias issues that have still not been resolved.

Now I see that someone has set up Mizbot to archive entries and concerns raised on the talk page. I do hope it's not a deliberate act to try and just make the issues vanish. They won't. P^)

You did make clear that you welcomed expansion of the page and even globalisation as far back as January, and I have sought so many sources that meet the views laid down - sources must use the term "rape culture" - there must be no WP:OR - and still no matter how far I go in meeting other's demands in the spirit of consensus, there is just no progress. What is the point of supplying so many sources that meet other's demands if they just get left on the talk page and the actual issues just don't get addressed?

I remain concerned that sources identifying whole countries, and providing a global perspective, on the subject of rape culture have simply been missed - Meitse 1996 -1998 (South Africa) - Baxi 2002 (India) - Michael Parenti - The Global Rape Culture (2005) - and there has been WP:UNDUE on references only to the USA. The global sources are of course sourced via Goggle.

It was almost comical when the section on South Africa was added, once I raised the issue of bias - and I have recently expanded that to place the subject in both an historical and culturally sensitive framework. You should also be aware that I am doing the same Ref India - Sandbox. - It was even stated In January that sources relating to other countries would be integrated once they were made known - and that simply has not happened.

I have sourced material on a global basis - even down to Pitcairne Island - met all demands put forward by other editors - and no matter what the page just does not progress.

I have even had to cite sources that give an Historical perspective to rape culture, such as the history of slavery and Droit du seigneur which does have quite a significance in the US. It would seem that racial bias applies even when a US centric focus is maintained. That has been a concern from the start with the discovery of the film "Rape Culture", and the involvement of the men of Lorton Prison (Prisoners Against Rape Inc) who were all African Americans had simply been brushed under the carpet - and It was most interesting to read the views and experiences of Loretta Ross who was instrumental in working with these men.

But through out - it all has to be about Recent Events - Slutwalk - Dickwolves Controversy - Facebook pages - and the actual subject and global perspective of rape culture just gets minimised. I have even had to point out that claims that face book was only about the USA and UK were - well ..... Systemic Bias.

It's even been argued that as the USA is supposedly the primary source of Entertainment material on the planet the bias is unavoidable.

I have even had to ask how far people in certain parts of the world would need to go "Hold a Slut walk in a mine-filed and notify CNN/Fox news in advance"? (15 January 2012) & (2 May 2012).

I have recently made clear that I believe that the whole page needs a complete redraft - even the heading "Prominent incidents and allegations of rape culture" is nonsensical and creates a false hierarchy around the subject - and I still wonder how one alleges a rape culture. Alleged is of course a word that should be avoided WP:ALLEGED.

So unless there is constructive motion forward to produce quality content by consensus, I will have to start concluding that some editors are deliberately not engaging so as to not reach any form of consensus  - and by not engaging also acting to prevent access to dispute resolution and even a Third Opinion. I have made it clear for some time that I would welcome external and independent oversight of matters.

I have been stating that for many months. (15 January 2012 Onwards).

I have also made it clear that I am concerned about "Advocacy Editing" due to the apparent determination to make the page only about the USA and ignore the Global perspective and billions of other people. That is of course against WP:NPOV and even promotes Systemic Bias.

What do you suggest as a way forward on how to improve the page - remove systemic bias and meet WP:NPOV?

It does seem that it's overdue.

Media-Hound 'D 3rd P^) (talk)  19:32, 3 June 2012 (UTC)
 * If you don't get any responses regarding your suggestions, you should go ahead and implement them per WP:SILENCE. If others express disagreement with your suggestions, you should keep working towards building consensus with those editors. Frankly though I have to say that your discussion style is somewhat aggressive and confrontational (which is why I have stopped participating there). As they say, you can catch more flies with honey than with vinegar. Kaldari (talk) 19:57, 3 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Sorry I'm a little confused. You say you have stopped participating there, and yet each time I have asked on the talk page about content that is either not correctly sourced - does not address the lead - or even is highly biased - rather than answer the point with a view to reaching consensus and improving the article, you arrive and edit out the material and say very little. You did it only a few days ago Stop With The Systemic Bias.


 * Silence has many functions. But since you have pointed to WP:SILENCE - and silence means no objection, I will as I have suggested redraft the while page and remove all vestiges of the ongoing WP:NPOV issues. So now at least now the Awful Prominent incidents and allegations of rape culture can be consigned to the waste bin where it has belonged for so long. I am surprised that so many editors have ignored it for so long. It is a blooper! I will also fully address the issue of Synonym (Culture Of Rape, Culture Of Shame etc.) which arise due to Translation and Diplomatic activity, which are used so widely and which I did raise in January, but having sourced them I was told unless they mentioned the term "Rape Culture" they were of no value. It does get confusing when the goal posts get shifted - but since silence WP:SILENCE has been raised I'll take it as a Green light.   Cheers.    Media-Hound 'D 3rd P^)  (talk)  20:58, 3 June 2012 (UTC)

Amalia Holst
Here's a new project for you ;) The German Mary Wollstonecraft anyone? Amalia Holst!! :) Trying to fill in some gaps on the red links of the Dinner Party list!! Sarah (talk) 02:39, 4 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I realized that you had already posted about Holst on the DP talk page a while ago. DOH! Sarah (talk) 07:43, 4 June 2012 (UTC)

Joe Hallan's taxonomy
I saw your note at Thine Antique Pen's talk page. You might want to drop the same information at User talk:Deathlaser; he's also been working off that page to create beetle stubs. Lady of  Shalott  20:58, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

Declined PROD?
Hey, Kaldari, I was just wondering why you took the Providism article to AfD, instead of leaving the PROD. No big deal, of course, just wondering. Writ Keeper &#9863;&#9812; 21:05, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

User:HotArticlesBot
What happened to User:HotArticlesBot? No updates for WikiProject_Turtles/Hot_articles in ages. Regards, SunCreator (talk) 11:58, 8 June 2012 (UTC)
 * It looks like the reason HotArticlesBot stopped working for WikiProject turtles is that the number of articles for that project increased dramatically recently, so the script is timing out on that particular project. Calculating the results is an expensive process as it has to analyze the revision history for every article in the project. I've adjusted the timeout settings, so it should work in the meantime, but it may break again in the future :( Kaldari (talk) 17:35, 8 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you. It is working, at least for now. Regards, SunCreator (talk) 19:56, 8 June 2012 (UTC)

Nematode
Hi, I'm willing to put the suggestion of a collaboration in Phil's honor in the Signpost, but I need an page to send interested people to. I don't remember if I had much interaction with him, but I remember seeing him around often when I was active at GAN. It's a sad day for the Wiki. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 01:08, 12 June 2012 (UTC)

Nomination of Sugarbomb for speedy deletion
How about being part of the solution instead of part of the problem? How about IMPROVING the article instead of deleting? Did you look into the band at all?? Geĸrίtzl (talk) 18:53, 6 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Did you look at WP:BAND at all?? Kaldari (talk) 20:40, 6 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Did you look at WP:BAND at all?? "...may be notable if it meets at least one of the following criteria:"

That's two, and I need not go any further. Please help build WP rather than tear it down. Geĸrίtzl (talk) 15:49, 7 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Has been the subject of multiple, non-trivial, published works appearing in sources that arereliable and are independent from the musician or ensemble itself - CHECK
 * Has had a single or album on any country's national music chart - CHECK


 * One more thing: Please read Deletion which says "Disputes over page content are usually not dealt with by deleting the page, except in severe cases. The content issues should be discussed at the relevant talk page, and other methods of dispute resolution should be used first, such as listing on Wikipedia:Requests for comments for further input." You on the other hand are so anxious to tear WP down, you flagged for speedy deletion. Geĸrίtzl (talk) 20:47, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

Greetings Kaldari
I have a question related to the skill set you possess which developed and moved the WikiLove extension. There is an essay, WP:ADMAN, where you must copy paste the template code manually to a users talk page. I am interested to implement an ability to discharge the accolade directly from the essay using whatever appropriate means might exist. If your time permits and you are willing, I would sincerely appreciate any manner of assistance afforded this goal. Thank you - My76Strat (talk) 05:55, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
 * To accomplish that, you would need some sort of JavaScript embedded in the page that would submit the edit via the API. Unfortunately, you can't embed JS in a page without an extension (or including it on every page via a Gadget, which would be overkill). You could however link to a toolserver page that handled it. The toolserver page could just have a form that asks for the name of the user and then adds the template to their User Talk page via the API. Hope that helps. Kaldari (talk) 18:26, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes that helps a great deal. Thank you - My76Strat (talk) 22:30, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

The Tea Leaf - Issue Four
Hi! Welcome to the fourth issue of The Tea Leaf, the official newsletter for the Teahouse!


 * Teahouse pilot wraps up after 13 weeks After being piloted on English Wikipedia starting in February, the Teahouse wrapped up its pilot period on May 27, 2012. We expect this is just the beginning for the Teahouse and hope the project will continue to grow in the months to come!

Thank you and congratulations to all of the community members who participated - and continue to participate!


 * What you've all been waiting for: Teahouse Pilot Report is released! We look forward to your feedback on the methodology and outcomes of this pilot project.
 * ....and if a pilot report wasn't enough, the Teahouse Pilot Metrics Report is out too! Dive into the numbers and survey results to learn about the impact the Teahouse has made on English Wikipedia.
 * Teahouse shows positive impact on new editor retention and engagement
 * 409 new editors participated during the entire pilot period, with about 40 new editors participating in the Teahouse per week.
 * Two weeks after participating, 33% of Teahouse guests are still active on Wikipedia, as opposed to 11% of a similar control group.
 * New editors who participated in the Teahouse edit 10x the number of articles, make 7x more global edits, and 2x as much of their content survives on Wikipedia compared to the control group.


 * Women participate in the Teahouse 28% of Teahouse participants were women, up from 9% of editors on Wikipedia in general, good news for this project which aimed to have impact on the gender gap too - but still lots to be done here!
 * New opportunities await for the Teahouse in phase two as the Teahouse team and Wikipedia community examine ways to improve, scale, and sustain the project. Opportunities for future work include:
 * Automating or semi-automating systems such as invites, metrics and archiving
 * Experimenting with more ways for new editors to discover the Teahouse
 * Building out the social and peer-to-peer aspects further, including exploring ways to make answering questions easier, creating more ways for new editors to help each other and for all participants to acknowledge each other's efforts
 * Growing volunteer capacity, continuing to transfer Teahouse administration tasks to volunteers whenever possible, and looking for new ways to make maintenance and participation easier for everyone.

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 * Say hello to the new guests at the Teahouse. Take the time to welcome and get to know the latest guests at the Teahouse. Drop off some wikilove to these editors today, as being welcomed by experienced editors is really encouraging to new Wikipedians.

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Why a block? (no rationale seen)--Jasper Deng (talk) 05:29, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
 * 2602:306:252E:B239:C5B8:9799:59BC:2FC3
 * Oops, I got the timestamp mixed up and thought they had done recent vandalism, rather than from a week ago. My mistake. Unblocked. Kaldari (talk) 05:41, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

DYK for The Alley
Casliber (talk · contribs) 16:06, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

Dispute resolution notice
Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a discussion at Dispute resolution noticeboard regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you.

I understand that you've distanced yourself from the article. If you don't wish to be involved, then that's fine. However, I would appreciate if you'd be willing to contribute to the discussion. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 05:16, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

Coordinator sought for the US National Archives WikiProject
Greetings, WikiProject US National Archives member!

We are seeking a coordinator to help reboot the project and work on new initiatives! The role is modeled after other Wikiproject coordinators, like the WikiProject Military History coordinators. The coordinator will work with the Wikipedian in Residence to organize and increase participation in the WikiProject, with the goal that the WikiProject is an active space for collaboration maintained by and for the Wikipedia editors, rather than the National Archives.

Please see the full information at GLAM/NARA/Coordinator and contact me is you have any questions. Feel free to pass this note along to any interested parties. Thanks! Dominic·t 21:04, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

Nashville and beyond
Hi, Kaldari. Re this revert, there are quite a few similar edits. Since there also appear to be several constructive edits, I've tried to open a dialog on the user's talk page. No reply so far, and unfortunately I will be offline for several hours. Rivertorch (talk) 19:37, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

shulasmith firestone
Hi. I am not challenging your edit. This is just a random query. I noticed that you are from US. So, is Shulasmith not accepted as a sociologist in the US. (Not having a degree in sociology is irrelevant as most other sociologists too do not have one) She is acceptable as a sociologist in Britain (including in books published by oxford university press). Another source which I found is this .--nids(&#9794;) 02:20, 23 June 2012 (UTC)
 * The purpose of my edit was not to single her out and present her viewpoint. There is a view among radical feminists which states that the root cause of gender differences is biological. Most well known personality taking that position is shulasmith even though there are others. I was just adding that viewpoint. I mentioned shulasmith only in passing as I have only read her (amongst radical feminists). But I would leave it at that as I suppose she is a controversial figure in the States.
 * BTW, I have not read any rebuke to Shulasmith's theories. Have you read any or can you suggest one??--nids(&#9794;) 07:19, 24 June 2012 (UTC)

Jimmy story
Hi, do you think it deserves more at ITN? I emailed the named author about the same issue. Tony  (talk)  10:42, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

Talkback
Let me know if there are any other examples I have missed out and failed to correct. Thanks for letting me know about this. Oddbodz (talk) 15:19, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

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WikiCup 2012 June newsletter
Apologies for the lateness of this letter; our usual bot wasn't working. We are now entering round 4, our semi-finals, and have our final 16. A score of 243 was required to reach this round; significantly more than 2011's 76 points, and only a little behind 2010's 250 points. By comparison, last year, 150 points in round 4 secured a place in the final; in 2010, 430 were needed. Commiserations to Pool A's, who scored 242 points, missing out on a place in the round by a whisker. However, congratulations to Pool B's, whose television articles have brought him another round victory. Pool A's came second overall, with an impressive list of biological did you knows, good articles and featured articles. Third overall was Pool D's, with a long list of contibutions, mostly relating to baseball. Of course, with the points resetting every round, the playing field has been levelled. The most successful Pool was Pool D, which saw seven into the final round. Pool B saw four, C saw three and Pool A saw only the two round leaders.

A quick note about other competitions taking place on Wikipedia which may be of interest. There are 13 days remaining in the June-July GAN backlog elimination drive, but it is not too late to take part. August will also see the return of The Core Contest- a one month long competition first run in 2007. While the WikiCup awards points for audited content on any subject, The Core Contest about is raw article improvement, focussing heavily on the most important articles on Wikipedia. As ever, if you are concerned that your nomination—whether it is at good article candidates, a featured process, or anywhere else—will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on WikiCup/Reviews. Questions are welcome on Wikipedia talk:WikiCup, and the judges are reachable on their talk pages or by email. Good luck! If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. J Milburn (talk • email) and The ed17 (talk • email) 10:59, 2 July 2012 (UTC)

Credo Reference Update & Survey (your opinion requested)
Credo Reference, who generously donated 400 free Credo 250 research accounts to Wikipedia editors over the past two years, has offered to expand the program to include 100 additional reference resources. Credo wants Wikipedia editors to select which resources they want most. So, we put together a quick survey to do that:


 * Link to Survey (should take between 5-10 minutes): http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/N8FQ6MM

It also asks some basic questions about what you like about the Credo program and what you might want to improve.

At this time only the initial 400 editors have accounts, but even if you do not have an account, you still might want to weigh in on which resources would be most valuable for the community (for example, through WikiProject Resource Exchange).

Also, if you have an account but no longer want to use it, please leave me a note so another editor can take your spot.

If you have any other questions or comments, drop by my talk page or email me at wikiocaasi@yahoo.com. Cheers! Ocaasit &#124; c 17:22, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

July 2012 Study of authors of health-related Wikipedia pages
Dear Author/Kaldari

My name is Nuša Farič and I am a Health Psychology MSc student at University College London (UCL). I am currently running a quantitative study entitled Who edits health-related Wikipedia pages and why? I am interested in the editorial experience of people who edit health-related Wikipedia pages. I am interested to learn more about the authors of health-related pages on Wikipedia and what motivations they have for doing so. I am currently contacting the authors of randomly selected articles and I noticed that someone at this address recently edited an article on Endometriosis. I would like to ask you a few questions about you and your experience of editing the above mentioned article and or other health-related articles. If you would like more information about the project, please visit my user page (http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Hydra_Rain) and if interested, please reply via my talk page or e-mail me on nusa.faric.11@ucl.ac.uk. Also, others interested in the study may contact me! If I do not hear back from you I will not contact this account again. Thank you very much in advance. Hydra Rain (talk) 12:34, 14 July 2012 (UTC)



Change may have caused problem
Hi, someone has suggested that this change may be the cause of an edit box problem detailed at village pump. Can you comment on if this is the cause of the problems? Keith D (talk) 23:57, 9 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Should be fixed now. Kaldari (talk) 00:21, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

I am not sure what the issue is, but I have reset my preferences two or three times now, and I still have the Vector edit box. At this point, I have run out of ideas for fixing this. Can you give me any advice? ---  RepublicanJacobite  TheFortyFive  19:22, 10 July 2012 (UTC)


 * I will see if that works. Thanks. ---  RepublicanJacobite   TheFortyFive  01:09, 11 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Ok, it has been more than 24 hours since my previous message, and nothing has changed. I am baffled and frustrated by this problem, and cannot figure out what to do to fix it.  None of the steps suggested by others have worked.  So, I am really wondering what to do next. ---  RepublicanJacobite   TheFortyFive  13:45, 12 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I can log-in on a library computer later today, in either IE or Firefox. When I do, I will let you know what, if anything, happens.  If it means anything, when the edit box opens, it is Monobook, then it switches to Vector after a few seconds.  Thanks for your message. ---  RepublicanJacobite   TheFortyFive  17:43, 12 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Ok, I have now logged in from two different computers --- one a Mac, the other a PC --- and used both Firefox and IE. But, in all cases, the edit bar is the same: Vector.  What does that tell us? ---  RepublicanJacobite   TheFortyFive  16:52, 14 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Yep, that was the problem. I unchecked that box and everything is back to normal.  Thanks for your help.  It's hard to believe it was so simple.  Cheers! ---  RepublicanJacobite   TheFortyFive  13:18, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

Thanks
Glad I could help. Here's a little something to spice up your talk page. See you around! Braincricket (talk) 22:06, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

WikiCup 2012 July newsletter
We're approaching the beginning of 2012's final round. Pool A sees as the leader, with 300 points being awarded for the featured article Bivalvia, and Pool B sees  in the lead, with 10 good articles, and over 35 articles eligible for good topic points. Pool A sees in second place with a number of articles relating to baseball, while Pool B's  follows Grapple X, with a variety of contributions including the high-scoring, high-importance featured article on the 2010 film Pride & Prejudice. Ruby2010, like Grapple X, also claimed a number of good topic points; despite this, not a single point has been claimed for featured topics in the contest so far. The same is true for featured portals.

Currently, the eighth-place competitor (and so the lowest scorer who would reach the final round right now) has scored 332, more than double the 150 needed to reach the final round last year. In 2010, however, 430 was the lowest qualifying score. In this competition, we have generally seen scores closer to those in 2010 than those in 2011. Let's see what kind of benchmark we can set for future competitions! As ever, if you are concerned that your nomination—whether it is at good article candidates, a featured process, or anywhere else—will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on WikiCup/Reviews. Questions are welcome on Wikipedia talk:WikiCup, and the judges are reachable on their talk pages or by email. Good luck! If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. J Milburn (talk • email) and The ed17 (talk • email) 22:26, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

The Tea Leaf - Issue Five
Hi! Welcome to the fifth edition of The Tea Leaf, the official newsletter of the Teahouse!


 * Guest activity increased in July. Questions are up from an average of 36 per week in June to 43 per week in July, and guest profile creation has also increased. This is likely a result of the automatic invite experiments we started near the end of month, which seeks to lessen the burden on hosts and other volunteer who manually invite editors. During the last week of July, questions doubled in the Teahouse! (But don't let that deter you from inviting editors to the Teahouse, please, there are still lots of new editors who haven't found Teahouse yet.)
 * More Teahouse hosts than ever. We had 12 new hosts sign up to participate at the Teahouse! We now have 35 hosts volunteering at the Teahouse. Feel free to stop by and see them all here.
 * Phase two update: Host sprint. In August, the Teahouse team plans to improve the host experience by developing a simpler new-host creation process, a better way of surfacing active hosts, and a host lounge renovation. Take a look at the plan and weigh in here.
 * New Teahouse guest barnstar is awarded to first recipient: Charlie Inks. Using the Teahouse barnstar designed by Heatherawalls, hosts hajatvrc and Ryan Vesey created the new Teahouse Guest Barnstar. The first recipient is Charlie Inks, for her boldness in asking questions at the Teahouse. Check out the award in action here.
 * Teahouse was a hot topic at Wikimania! The Teahouse was a hot topic at Wikimania this past month, where editor retention and interface design was heavily discussed. Sarah and Jonathan presented the Teahouse during the Wikimedia Fellowships panel. Slides can be viewed here. A lunch was also held at Wikimania for Teahouse hosts.

As always, thanks for supporting the Teahouse project! Stop by and visit us today!

You are receiving The Tea Leaf after expressing interest or participating in the Teahouse! To remove yourself from receiving future newsletters, please remove your username here. Sarah (talk) 08:30, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

Please be careful --
Hello Kaldari, Just a friendly message but I wanted to point out you accidentally deleted a post I made to the Mars Space Laboratory talk page, or if it wasn't accidental please let me know at my talk page. Thanks.

user:Agradman editing for the moment as 67.182.25.41 (talk) 07:25, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

Vice presidential edit counters
They are a really fun and clever idea, but I felt like they increased the likelihood of unneeded edits, low-quality editing, and vandalism to a number of high-profile BLPs. I apologize for not contacting you beforehand, but I felt that it was more important to remove that line of thought from the articles quickly—particularly given their greater attention following the Colbert vandalism. If you would like to restore them, please raise the issue on one of the noticeboards first. I would be glad to have my decision to remove the counters reviewed.

Like I said, very cool idea under other circumstances, and I have lots of respect for your contributions on here. This just seemed to me like a bad idea at the moment. Best, IronGargoyle (talk) 06:40, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Most of the those articles are already semi-protected, so I'm not sure there's a big potential for increased vandalism. I was actually thinking that the charts might help us to catch COI editing, and thus protect the quality of the articles, but I'm interested in hearing your thoughts on this. Kaldari (talk) 06:49, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Arg, I didn't know about the stupid Steven Colbert thing. I wish he would quit messing with Wikipedia already. Kaldari (talk) 23:24, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

Upload Folger Library images?
What's up with that? Tom Reedy (talk) 02:10, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

Non-free content review
I requested a non-free content review in connection with an image you uploaded. See the discussion at Non-free_content_review -- SPhilbrick (Talk)  15:50, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of PageTriageProdTest
Hello, Kaldari. I wanted to let you know that I’m proposing an article that you started, PageTriageProdTest, for deletion because I don't think it meets our criteria for inclusion. If you don't want the article deleted:


 * 1) edit the page
 * 2) remove the text that looks like this:
 * 3) save the page

Also, be sure to explain why you think the article should be kept in your edit summary or on the article's talk page. If you don't do so, it may be deleted later anyway.

You can leave a note on my talk page if you have questions. Thanks, Kaldari (talk) 19:38, 10 August 2012 (UTC)