User talk:Northamerica1000/Archive 65

China Power New Energy Development Company Limited
Hi, Northamerica1000. Could you please take a look on China Power New Energy Development Company Limited for improving it. Thank you. Beagel (talk) 17:55, 17 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Hi I may not work on this article at this time. I notice it has been nominated for deletion, so I may work on it at some other time if it's retained. North America1000 03:58, 20 October 2016 (UTC)

Copyedit
Hey, you are edit Nestle Bear Brand? Cyrus noto3at bulaga (talk) 00:13, 19 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Hi : I performed a couple of minor edits to Nestlé Bear Brand, but that's it thus far. As far as improvements, the article would benefit from the addition of sources to verify content within it and to demonstrate notability for the topic. An image of the product would also serve to improve the article. North America1000 04:03, 20 October 2016 (UTC)

Lists of companies by country discussion
I was looking at revamping the format of the "Companies of (country)" series of articles and I'm aware you've tackled this problem before. Using the general layout you used for articles like List of companies of Niger, I was thinking about using a table layout to make a sortable list that would include sector, HQ and founding date. I've made a draft for what Mali would look like at User:Kuru/sandbox.

Could you briefly take a look and share your thoughts? This will obviously be insanely time consuming for larger countries, so I'd like to get some input first. Kuru  (talk)  03:01, 24 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Nice layout at User:Kuru/sandbox, and this looks fine to me. The sortable tables are a nice improvement in style. Yes, table conversions do take some time. I have a wiki-friend,, who has helped me out with table conversions before, because she has a semi-automated way of merging the content into tables without having to copy/paste all of the data manually, which can be very time consuming. North America1000 05:52, 24 September 2016 (UTC)

Hi there. I'd be happy to help. Please paste anything you want into my sandboxes. These are free: User:Anna Frodesiak/Bronze sandbox, User:Anna Frodesiak/Silver sandbox, and User:Anna Frodesiak/Pink sandbox. Just give me instructions and I'll ping you when it's ready. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 11:23, 24 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much! There's around 175 of these lists to convert. I'll do all of the small ones by hand, but I will take you up on your help when I get to the large ones (maybe 10 or so); this will also let me sort out the transform logic before approaching you. Will be a while - this is more of a spare time thing. Kuru   (talk)  14:48, 24 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Hi : It might be worth it to put all 175 into a huge file. A field could be added to differentiate them. Then, I could run some macros on it to do the whole thing in one go. Then, I could run more macros to split them up again. Just a thought. In fact, I might be able to use a program to automatically grab the 175 out of the articles, but I'm not sure about that yet. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 20:53, 24 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks for replying Anna. I forgot to add in my comment above, "if she has time, she may be able to help out". In other words, I didn't want to come across as assumptive that you would chip in, but I inadvertently did anyway! It's nonetheless refreshing that you are willing to do so! So difficult to find people to collaborate with sometimes. For our reference, here's the category page for lists of companies located in ___: Category:Lists of companies by country. North America1000 16:02, 24 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Of course, I'm always happy to help. :) I'll take a look at the lists. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 20:53, 24 September 2016 (UTC)
 * It's a little messy; these articles were mostly spam magnets years ago. After a series of AFD kept them all, I've tried to clean them up as best possible and watch them. There are 174 I've tracked. Of that:
 * 136 are normalized (no spam, sorted by ICB cats, common format) are should be scriptable.
 * 7 are controlled, but in a complex table format, usually with detailed information where I didn't want to simply discard the original author's hard work.
 * 7 are not normalized, but de-spamed and sorted by some other sector system (usually just made up).
 * 9 are giant alphabetical lists that should convert easily, but will take a long time to fill in the extra fields. Obviously, List of companies of the United States is a beast.
 * 13 are new ones that I did not know existed (they were not in the category until recently). I think all of these were created by Northamerica1000 a while back and are in good shape - they just differ slightly in format.
 * 1 article is completely messed up, and I've been unable to get local consensus to change it (List of companies of Iran). I've been meaning to revisit it, but was going to wait until everything else was done before wasting more time there.
 * These have kind of been my "thing to play with when I've run out of important things and still have a little free time" for a few years. There's no rush; maybe I can get the 13 converted and in the can so I can get a feel for the new format - they should be easiest to convert since they all have the intro created and images picked by Mr. 1000. I'm most concerned about the 7 big ones. Kuru   (talk)  22:37, 24 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Hi . Sorry for the late reply. Okay, I've had a look. I'll get back to you shortly, if that's okay. Many thanks for your patience. Best, Anna Frodesiak (talk) 08:32, 28 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Hi . I'm all set. I'm looking at this. Is it what you want them to look like? So, please feel free to give me one to do and any instructions. From there, we can maybe figure out some automation. Cheers, Anna Frodesiak (talk) 07:39, 30 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes, that's a good post-revision sample. List of companies of Tanzania is a good pre-revision example/test case. The task is to convert to the new wikitable format, with the company name (as a wikilink) moving into the "Name" field. The section title would move into the "Industry" field for each entry under that section. Any commentary about the business (usually one or two words following the comma) would move to the notes column.  Kuru   (talk)  13:26, 2 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks all for responding here, and feel free to continue to do so. I'll try to chip in here and there in the effort to improve these list articles. North America1000 14:01, 2 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Hi Kuru. Okay, I'll get some experience at User:Anna Frodesiak/Silver sandbox. You can keep an eye on things there. NorthAmerica1000, thank you. :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 20:29, 2 October 2016 (UTC)

Below is a summary of article updates that have occurred. To keep track of matters, you can add to this list when articles are updated. North America1000 11:31, 5 October 2016 (UTC)




 * List of companies of Malawi
 * List of companies of Malaysia
 * List of companies of Mali
 * List of companies of Russia
 * List of companies of Sudan
 * List of companies of Taiwan
 * List of companies of Togo
 * List of companies of Tunisia
 * List of companies of Turkey
 * List of companies of Uganda
 * List of companies of Ukraine
 * List of companies of the United Arab Emirates
 * List of companies of Uzbekistan
 * List of companies of Zambia
 * List of companies of Zimbabwe


 * Update – I have added relevant portal links to the above-listed articles: Malawi, Malaysia, Mali, Togo, Tunisia, Turkey, Uganda, Ukraine, UAE, Uzbekistanm, Zambia, Zimbabwe, Taiwan. North America1000 14:00, 20 October 2016 (UTC)
 * List of companies of Mauritania – Converted to table format. Needs more work adding descriptions and more content. North America1000 04:16, 23 October 2016 (UTC)
 * List of companies of Saudi Arabia – Converted to table format. Needs more work. North America1000 13:19, 22 October 2016 (UTC)
 * List of companies of Tanzania – via work at User:Anna Frodesiak/Silver sandbox
 * List of companies of Tanzania – via work at User:Anna Frodesiak/Silver sandbox


 * List of companies of Tanzania – via work at User:Anna Frodesiak/Silver sandbox
 * List of companies of Tanzania – via work at User:Anna Frodesiak/Silver sandbox

Merger discussion for Grilled pizza
An article that you have been involved in editing&mdash;Grilled pizza&mdash;has been proposed for merging with another article. If you are interested, please participate in the merger discussion. Thank you. Geoff &#124; Who, me? 18:17, 26 October 2016 (UTC)


 * The IP proposing the merger didn't set up the discussion correctly, so I've set it up. Cheers! Geoff &#124; Who, me? 18:17, 26 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the notification. North America1000 07:54, 28 October 2016 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Oxford Blue (cheese)
Hello! Your submission of Oxford Blue (cheese) at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Yoninah (talk) 19:23, 29 October 2016 (UTC)

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Bonakid
Hello, Northamerica1000, you help me edit Bonakid Wikipedia article? ɔyʀɥs ɴotoʒɑt bulɑɡɑ (Talk to me) 10:43, 21 October 2016 (UTC) I'm forget about Bonakid cite at Wyeth. I can edit tommorow. In Bonakid Wikipedia article, I contain that cite. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cyrus noto3at bulaga (talk • contribs) 10:13, 23 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Hi : I have performed some minor editing and formatting to the page, and also added a Find sources notice on the talk page. I may not work on the article more, because I'm working on other matters. The find sources notice can be used to search for sources to improve the article. North America1000 07:22, 22 October 2016 (UTC)
 * As I just stated on your talk page, please do not add copyrighted text to Wikipedia articles. I have removed copyrighted content that you added to the Bonakid article and revision deleted the infringement. Please adhere to this rule, because Wikipedia takes copyright infringement very seriously. North America1000 10:18, 23 October 2016 (UTC)

Revision of Nestlé Bear Brand and Nestlé
The Nestlé Bear Brand is also a baby nurition, right? It is named Bear Brand Jr, a milk supplement product from Nestlé Bear Brand. ɔyʀɥs ɴotoʒɑt bulɑɡɑ (Talk to me) 09:54, 22 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Hi I have not researched these topics, and may not do so, because I'm working on other matters at this time. Per this, you should try performing internet searches to obtain answers to your questions. Source searches can also serve to improve the Nestlé Bear Brand article, because it has no sources at this time. North America1000 09:57, 22 October 2016 (UTC)
 * You can view. I added it 'Bear Brand Jr. ɔyʀɥs ɴotoʒɑt bulɑɡɑ (Talk to me) 07:55, 23 October 2016 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Candyland (musician)
What is the purpose of relisting Articles for deletion/Candyland (musician)? You may want to state the specific reason on that page. --Jax 0677 (talk) 18:41, 20 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Some of the arguments therein do not specifically delineate whether or not the subject meets notability guidelines, ("While I do not intend to go through the dozens of citations in the article", and the notion of redirection per "...the notable thing she's actually done", the latter of which does not address this subject's notability or lack thereof). As such, the discussion would benefit from more input for a more accurate close to be discerned relative to Wikipedia's guidelines and policies. North America1000 00:33, 21 October 2016 (UTC)

Question
Hi. I nominated an article for deletion a few weeks ago. You kindly added several more categories to it. The twinkle widget seems to only let me select one when I do the nomination. How do you add more manually after the discussion has been created? I couldn't see any obvious instructions as to how to do this. Scribolt (talk) 09:23, 21 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Hi It appears that you're referring to Articles for deletion/Ruspublica. I didn't use Twinkle or add categories; rather, I added deletion sorting notices to the AfD discussion page and posts on the respective deletion sorting pages. I use User:Fox Wilson/delsort to perform this. Regarding AfD categories, only one it typically listed per discussion. See atop Category:AfD debates for a bit more information about the categories.


 * The addition of delsort listings can also be performed manually, by listing the discussion at each respective delsort page (using the following example formatting with double brackets: ) and then posting the notification template (typically listed atop the delsort pages, e.g. Companies ) to the AfD discussion page. North America1000 07:10, 22 October 2016 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the reply (and good detective work on figuring out what I was actually talking about, could have been a bit more specific in my question). Good to know how to do that in future, I don't think I'll be using scripts though, but I think I can probably handle the template should the need arise. Scribolt (talk) 08:40, 24 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your reply here as well. North America1000 08:43, 24 October 2016 (UTC)

Bear Brand
That page (Nestlé Bear Brand) is not read that article age 3 under. ɔyʀɥs ɴotoʒɑt bulɑɡɑ (You want to talk to me?) 11:29, 6 November 2016 (UTC)

Bear Brand
Please help me improve Bear Brand is a infobox. I don't really care to edit Bear Brand. ɔyʀɥs ɴotoʒɑt bulɑɡɑ (Talk to me) 01:38, 31 October 2016 (UTC)
 * I may not work on the article. However, you can post requests for article improvements to the talk page at Wikiproject Food and drink, located at WT:FOOD. North America1000 18:26, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

Template:Happy New Year 2015 listed at Redirects for discussion
An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Template:Happy New Year 2015. Since you had some involvement with the Template:Happy New Year 2015 redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion if you have not already done so. P p p er y 23:37, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

Halloween cheer!


Happy Halloween!

Hello Northamerica1000: Thanks for all of your contributions to improve Wikipedia, and have a happy and enjoyable Halloween!   –  – Davey 2010 Talk 23:29, 31 October 2016 (UTC) Send Halloween cheer by adding {{subst:Happy Halloween}} to user talk pages with a friendly message.
 * Thanks ! North America1000 23:30, 31 October 2016 (UTC)
 * You're welcome :), – Davey 2010 Talk 23:31, 31 October 2016 (UTC)

Halloween cheer!


Happy Halloween!

Hello Northamerica1000: Thanks for all of your contributions to improve Wikipedia, and have a happy and enjoyable Halloween!   –  Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡)  04:09, 1 November 2016 (UTC) Send Halloween cheer by adding {{subst:Happy Halloween}} to user talk pages with a friendly message.
 * Thanks for the Halloween greeting . North America1000 07:35, 1 November 2016 (UTC)

Hi!
And thanks for the welcome! --Josy (talk) 07:52, 28 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Welcome to Wikipedia, and have fun. North America1000 07:54, 28 October 2016 (UTC)

Oops... here you are, giving me such a nice welcome, and next thing you know I delete a sentence in an article you apparently have been very active in. Only looked at the history afterwards though, and honestly truly got there by chance of a random search! :-) --Josy (talk) 17:58, 28 October 2016 (UTC)
 * It's all good; I didn't add that. Another user did when they created the article (link). North America1000 18:06, 28 October 2016 (UTC)

Bear Brand
Please help me!!! The Nestle Bear Brand Template is empty! ɔyʀɥs ɴotoʒɑt bulɑɡɑ (Talk to me) 00:57, 1 November 2016 (UTC)
 * You will have to upload an image file for an image to be available. Such image will likely be copyrighted, so you will need to follow proper procedures if you wish to upload. If you're inexperienced with this, you can post a request at Files for upload for an image of the product to be uploaded. North America1000 11:10, 1 November 2016 (UTC)

Infobox categories
Once I add an information box from a company in this category ("Category:Company articles needing infoboxes"), how do I remove the category from the talk page of that article. An example is the page for Bahco.--CNMall41 (talk) 17:29, 2 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Hi : I performed this for you by removing the "needs-infobox=Yes" parameter from the WikiProject Companies banner atop the talk page (diff), which removed the category. North America1000 17:36, 2 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Got it. Thanks. I was trying to use HotCat. --CNMall41 (talk) 17:59, 2 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Sure thing. Just FYI, I often use User:Kephir/gadgets/rater for talk page assessment and editing project banners. It expedites the process nicely. North America1000 18:02, 2 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks again. I'll take a look. --CNMall41 (talk) 18:12, 2 November 2016 (UTC)

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A7
Sorry, NA, but I don't agree with you on this one: whether "founder of a company" is a claim of importance depends on the company, and in this case, it doesn't add up. I also just deleted the company, as pure spam, and the creator of the biography was already blocked for spamming--their username was the company name. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 21:51, 28 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks for letting me know. I didn't see the company article, only the biography, which I BLP prodded after declining the A7. North America1000 11:51, 29 October 2016 (UTC)

Page review
Hey North America. I noticed that you visited this page Kutia Lungma Glacier recently. Can you review the page and remove the templae at the top of the page? Thanks (Arif Rizvi (talk) 11:03, 1 November 2016 (UTC)) Thanks for the reply. Every thing written over there is written in the book which I have cited in the reference. Reference no 2 book contains all the information given on the page. (Arif Rizvi (talk) 11:23, 1 November 2016 (UTC)) Yes you are right. I have written most of the content in my own words because the source is not in English language. It is also not available on web because these books are local books and don't have greater outreach (Arif Rizvi (talk) 16:59, 1 November 2016 (UTC)).
 * Hi ✅. I added a refimprove template atop the article, because much of the information in the article is not verified with inline citations. North America1000 11:12, 1 November 2016 (UTC)
 * I can't access the book sources, so I am assuming that you wrote it all in your own words. Since you appear to have access to the offline sources, all you have to do is add inline citations to content in the article that is referenced by the sources. North America1000 11:39, 1 November 2016 (UTC)

Juanita Musson
Thank you for the Juanita Musson DYK nom! 14,000 hits is great! Anna Frodesiak (talk) 22:11, 3 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Sure thing. And to think, it all started with a request on your user page to create the article, which you then started. North America1000 00:06, 4 November 2016 (UTC)
 * And I'm very pleased that user did make the request. By the way, that hook was dynamite. I'm sure that is why it got all those hits. Best, Anna Frodesiak (talk) 02:33, 4 November 2016 (UTC)
 * The initial hook I provided at the DYK nomination page was one-upped for sure. However, I still thank you for creating the initial article too. Note my detailed probability analysis below regarding this latter matter. North America1000 10:13, 4 November 2016 (UTC)




 * You know, you did have quite a hand in it too. And that last pie chart is not a pie chart. It is a lemon pie containing highly intelligent bugs in a coordinated effort to communicate with the outside world. :) Anna Frodesiak (talk) 21:02, 4 November 2016 (UTC)

BEAR BRAND Sterilized.
I am looking to Bear Brand Sterilized and I copy it in history of BEAR BRAND STERILIZED, to be smart for Bear Brand Drinkers. ɔyʀɥs ɴotoʒɑt bulɑɡɑ (Talk to me) 01:09, 6 November 2016 (UTC)

Proposal to create NutriAsia Wikipedia Article.
Create soon NutriAsia Wikipedia article after the 3 months of creation of NutriAsia in Logopedia (Logo Wikia) - and these brands too like UFC (catsup brand), Mang Tomas (Brand), Datu Puti, etc. ɔyʀɥs ɴotoʒɑt bulɑɡɑ (You want to talk to me?) 10:43, 6 November 2016 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * Thanks for the star. North America1000 05:04, 8 November 2016 (UTC)

Logopedia (Logo in Wikia) pages into Wikipedia Articles
Bear Brand has already created almost 4 months ago. By NutriAsia, you will create the brands from NutriAsia on Wikipedia article like Datu Puti. ɔyʀɥs ɴotoʒɑt bulɑɡɑ (You want to talk to me?) 08:09, 7 November 2016 (UTC)

Sorry to all Articles and pages

Bear Brand Wikipedia article protected
Please don't remove the section from the Nestlé Bear Brand Wikipedia article. It is forget the smartest wiki. ɔyʀɥs ɴotoʒɑt bulɑɡɑ (You want to talk to me?) 10:56, 9 November 2016 (UTC)

The Smart (dishwashing) Wikipedia page deleted?
Hello! Please help me create the Smart (dishwashing), Shield Bath Soap, Star Wax and other products from ACS Manufacturing Corporation, it's deleted from bot instead I'm add links. In Smart (dishwashing), it created by Eric.abiog (Logopedia User) ɔyʀɥs ɴotoʒɑt bulɑɡɑ (Talk to me) 09:37, 02 November 2016 (UTC)
 * I may not become involved in creating these product articles. I notice that ACS Manufacturing Corporation was created in the past, but was deleted twice per WP:A7 (no claim of importance) and per WP:G11 once (unambiguous advertising or promotion). An article can still be created if sources exist demonstrating the company's notability (see WP:CORP and WP:GNG, but such article would also need a claim of importance regarding the company and be written in a neutral tone, without promotionalism. If the company article is created, sometimes it's functional to include the company's products and brands in the company article (check out WP:PRODUCT). North America1000 16:54, 2 November 2016 (UTC)

Eric.abiog is good, it create the Brands from ACS Manufacturing Corporation. Soon, I create these into Wikipedia, right? ɔyʀɥs ɴotoʒɑt bulɑɡɑ (Talk to me ) 01:58, 05 November 2016 (UTC)
 * I don't know much about logos.wikia.com and don't plan on researching it. As such, I won't be providing advice regarding content on that website relative to content on English Wikipedia, other than stressing the importance of always respecting Wikipedia's copyright policy. This is very important. North America1000 16:54, 9 November 2016 (UTC)

Need suggestion
There's a chance that you might have read the deletion discussions of Dagar and Balhara. If you did, then you already know the issue. Otherwise, please have a look at the Articles for deletion/Dagar.

Other than the points mentioned by me at the Dagar AfD, WP:DISCUSSAFD clearly states that WP:ATD should be considered, which in turn states: "If editing can improve the page, this should be done rather than deleting the page." And that's what I did. ATD also gives the choice of disambiguation.

Now my concern isn't Dagar. But I foresee this sort of issue arising again. That's because few users have noticed some clan categories, which mostly contain non-notable entries. But many people of these clans/tribes are notable. These clans also have villages named after them. e.g. you can see in this revision of Magsi that few minutes of editing have changed it into a valid surname article. In short, many a time, non-notable clan/tribe articles can easily be converted to surname list articles or disambiguation pages, as a part of WP:BEFORE. But those nominators, who are in a hurry to take them to AfD, might not do that. And then the Dagar/Balhara/Magsi AfD situation will arise again.

So, I want to know what should be done when cases like these arise in the future. - NitinMlk (talk) 20:47, 8 November 2016 (UTC)


 * Hi There's not much one can do to prevent an article from being proposed or nominated for deletion by other users, other than to deprod if you feel the topic/page has merit and its deletion could potentially be considered controversial, or to contribute to AfD discussions for articles/pages nominated for deletion and present your views. However, you can bring matters to people's attention by performing activities such as:
 * Discussing matters with users who nominate such articles for deletion
 * Start a discussion on relevant WikiProject talk pages (e.g. Wikipedia talk:Noticeboard for India-related topics)
 * Initiate a community Requests for comment about matters to obtain community input, and a possible consensus
 * I know that is interested in such articles, so pinging them here; maybe Sitush will have something to add here. North America1000 16:47, 9 November 2016 (UTC)
 * , I am not against anyone's nomination. But I am against the restrictions put on me by a couple of users, as you can see at Dagar's revision history. My point is that one is "free to edit" an article during the AfD & all wiki policies also support that assertion, as I tried to explain at the Dagar AfD or through my previous comment here. If any content dispute arises then that can be resolved at the article's talk page. Now, Dagar & Magsi are valid disambiguation page & surname article respectively. How can I put my this point at their respective AfDs? - NitinMlk (talk) 18:10, 9 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Hi Normally, such matters are discussed on article talk pages. However, since Dagar is at AfD, that is (in my opinion) the best area to discuss matters at this time. However, you can also post your desired version of the article as a disambiguation page in your sandbox, on a user draft page, or even on the article's talk page and point that out to users at the AfD discussion. You can also provide a link at the AfD discussion to your desired version of the article from the article's Revision history.  Don't engage in edit warring, and for pointers, check out the processes outlined at the essay WP:BRD. Just make your points at the AfD discussion, and eventually, an WP:UNINVOLVED administrator or user will close the discussion. North America1000 14:58, 10 November 2016 (UTC)
 * First, thanks for the clarification. I guess Dagar AfD was a learning cum embarrassing experience for the involved users. I, for one, won't repeat that behavior.


 * Second, please also tell me the correct way of !voting. I mean WP:DISCUSSAFD states that one should !vote as "Disambiguation" – in case they support dab page. But I haven't seen other users !voting like that; they normally !vote as ""keep" as dab page" or something along those lines. So, which one is the correct way? Also tell me whether comments like the one I made at the Magsi AfD are enough to make one's point? - NitinMlk (talk) 16:31, 10 November 2016 (UTC)


 * To make your intentions clear, you could !vote with a bold lead stating "Convert to disambiguation page". North America1000 17:12, 10 November 2016 (UTC)
 * , Is this correct?
 * Yes, that should certainly suffice. This way, whoever closes the discussion will very likely completely understand your premise. North America1000 17:23, 10 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks for all the clarifications! - NitinMlk (talk) 17:24, 10 November 2016 (UTC)

DYK for Oxford Blue (cheese)
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:29, 2 November 2016 (UTC)

DYK for Juanita Musson
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:30, 2 November 2016 (UTC)

WikiProject Food and Drink Newsletter: November 2016
MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 15:29, 1 November 2016 (UTC)

Two-Factor Authentication now available for admins
Hello,

Please note that TOTP based two-factor authentication is now available for all administrators. In light of the recent compromised accounts, you are encouraged to add this additional layer of security to your account. It may be enabled on your preferences page in the "User profile" tab under the "Basic information" section. For basic instructions on how to enable two-factor authentication, please see the developing help page for additional information. Important: Be sure to record the two-factor authentication key and the single use keys. If you lose your two factor authentication and do not have the keys, it's possible that your account will not be recoverable. Furthermore, you are encouraged to utilize a unique password and two-factor authentication for the email account associated with your Wikimedia account. This measure will assist in safeguarding your account from malicious password resets. Comments, questions, and concerns may be directed to the thread on the administrators' noticeboard. MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 20:33, 12 November 2016 (UTC)

New deal for page patrollers
Hi ,

In order to better control the quality  of new pages, keep out the spam, and welcome the genuine newbies, the current system we introduced in 2011 is being updated and improved. The documentation and tutorials have also been revised and given a facelift. Most importantly a new user group New Page Reviewer has been created.

Under the new rule, you may find that you are temporarily unable to mark new pages as reviewed. However, this is nothing to worry about - most current experienced patrollers are being accorded the the new right without the need to apply, and if you have significant previous experience of patrolling new pages, we strongly encourage you to apply for the new right as soon as possible - we need all the help we can get, and we are now providing a dynamic, supportive environment for your work.

Find out more about this exiting new user right now at New Page Reviewers and be sure to read the new tutorial before applying. MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 04:29, 13 November 2016 (UTC)

Articles for deletion posts
The "delete" votes from SwisterTwister at 06:30, 13 November 2016, 06:32, 13 November 2016 (UTC), and 06:33, 13 November 2016 (UTC) came contiguously after I posted in the same hour in these AfDs. This is concerning because now whenever I post in an AfD, I know it will be immediately be followed by a "delete" vote. Cunard (talk) 06:53, 13 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Hi : Have you considered discussing the matter with the user on their talk page? This is typically the first step to take regarding such concerns. North America1000 07:21, 13 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the advice, Northamerica1000. I have started a discussion on their talk page. Cunard (talk) 08:00, 13 November 2016 (UTC)

I posted the following on User talk:SwisterTwister:

The response was: "As my talk header states, please do not post such violations of WP:AGF, and as it is, I've been voting at AfD all day. I'm voting Delete at advertisements, including ones I had commented at before, and that's all there is to say" I reviewed Articles for deletion/Moov, Articles for deletion/RightNetwork, and Articles for deletion/Mobile Fun, and saw no prior involvement from SwisterTwister. I also reviewed the AfDs' associated articles Moov, RightNetwork, and Mobile Fun and saw no prior editing or page review from SwisterTwister. I am unsure what, if anything, to do here. Cunard (talk) 08:27, 13 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Hi : Well, it can be difficult to communicate with users who erase your messages, only responding in an edit summary. If you feel that dispute resolution may be a way to address matters, check out the options at Dispute resolution requests. If you feel that it's a behavioral issue, you can post a request for community input at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents. North America1000 08:56, 13 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the advice. I agree that it is difficult to communicate with users who delete your messages and just respond in edit summaries. I have opened a discussion at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents. Cunard (talk) 09:11, 13 November 2016 (UTC)

Tech News: 2016-46
 Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes
 * When you edit with the visual editor you can use  +   +   to add a reference. The meta key is often the control key or command key.

Changes this week
 * Octicons-sync.svg The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from November 15. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from November 16. It will be on all wikis from November 17 (calendar).
 * In Special:Preferences you can choose which language menus and buttons will be in. If there is no translation for that language, MediaWiki has a list of fallback languages. A fallback language is a language many will understand better than English. MediaWiki will now use English when there is no Ukrainian translation.

Meetings
 * Octicons-sync.svg You can join the next meeting with the VisualEditor team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 15 November at 19:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Future changes
 * Magic links might not work in the future.

Tech news prepared by Tech News writers and posted by bot • Contribute • Translate • Get help • Give feedback • Subscribe or unsubscribe.  19:17, 14 November 2016 (UTC)

A new user right for New Page Patrollers
Hi.

A new user group, New Page Reviewer, has been created in a move to greatly improve the standard of new page patrolling. The user right can be granted by any admin at PERM. It is highly recommended that admins look beyond the simple numerical threshold and satisfy themselves that the candidates have the required skills of communication and an advanced knowledge of notability and deletion. Admins are automatically included in this user right.

It is anticipated that this user right will significantly reduce the work load of admins who patrol the performance of the patrollers. However,due to the complexity of the rollout, some rights may have been accorded that may later need to be withdrawn, so some help will still be needed to some extent when discovering wrongly applied deletion tags or inappropriate pages that escape the attention of less experienced reviewers, and above all, hasty and bitey tagging for maintenance. User warnings are available here but very often a friendly custom message works best.

If you have any questions about this user right, don't hesitate to join us at WT:NPR. (Sent to all admins) .MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 13:48, 15 November 2016 (UTC)

New Page Review needs your help
Hi ,

As an AfC reviewer you're probably aware that a new user right has been created for patrolling new pages (you might even have been granted the right already, and admins have it automatically).

Since July there has been a very serious backlog at Special:NewPagesFeed of over 14,000 pages, by far the worst since 2011, and we need an all out drive to get this back down to just a few hundred that can be easily maintained in the future. Unlike AfC, these pages are already in mainspace, and the thought of what might be there is quite scary. There are also many good faith article creators who need a simple, gentle push to the Tea House or their pages converted to Draft rather than being deleted. Although New Page Reviewing can occasionally be somewhat more challenging than AfC, the criteria for obtaining the right are roughly the same. The Page Curation tool is even easier to use than the Helper Script, so it's likely that most AfC reviewers already have more than enough knowledge for the task of New Page Review.

It is hoped that AfC reviewers will apply for this right at WP:PERM and lend a hand. You'll need to have read the page at WP:NPR and the new tutorial.

(Sent to all active AfC reviewers) MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 16:33, 15 November 2016 (UTC)

Nomination of Lists of songs for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Lists of songs is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Articles for deletion/Lists of songs until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. Star cheers  peaks  news  lost  wars Talk to me 17:38, 19 November 2016 (UTC)

Tech News: 2016-47


Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes
 * Administrators, bureaucrats, oversighters and checkusers can now use two-factor authentication. This makes their Wikimedia accounts more secure. This can be turned on in Special:Preferences. There are discussions on how to best turn it on for everyone.
 * You can now search for file properties. For example you can search for media type, how big a file is or what resolution it has.
 * The latest Collaboration team products newsletter has been published. It has more details about their work than Tech News has.

Problems
 * A hacker group is hacking Wikimedia accounts. They can probably do this because users have the same passwords on Wikimedia wikis as on other sites. Please have a password you use only on the Wikimedia wikis and nowhere else. This is especially important for administrators, bureaucrats, oversighters and checkusers. These users can also turn on two-factor authentication.

Changes this week
 * There is no new MediaWiki version this week.
 * RevisionSlider will be a default feature on German, Arabic and Hebrew Wikipedia. This will happen on 22 November. It will come to other wikis later.

Meetings
 * Octicons-sync.svg You can join the next meeting with the VisualEditor team. During the meeting, you can tell developers which bugs you think are the most important. The meeting will be on 22 November at 19:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Future changes
 * It will be possible to do cross-wiki search. The developers who work on this are looking for communities that want to test this.
 * Hovercards will leave the beta stage. The Wikimedia Foundation Reading Web team wants communities to set Hovercards as a default option for readers who are not logged in. Communities that are interested can say so on the Hovercards talk page.

Tech news prepared by Tech News writers and posted by bot • Contribute • Translate • Get help • Give feedback • Subscribe or unsubscribe.  15:33, 21 November 2016 (UTC)