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The role of chatbots in Wikimedia projects
Ray, could you give me something to include in The Signpost regarding the role of chatbots in Wikimedia projects, particularly Wikipedia? I saw your note at VPM and am intrigued where you see this going. ☆ Bri (talk) 19:33, 9 January 2023 (UTC)

Issue One request
Hello Peaceray. You left a lovely welcome message on my user page back in November, which was much appreciated as I've already used many of the linked resources. I'm still struggling, though, to attract editor interest in the request I posted on the Issue One Talk page. I've left notices about the request on several WikiProject Talk pages (including WikiProject Politics & WikiProject Organizations) and on the Talk pages of editors who have been active with the article in the past, but I haven't received any responses. Is there anywhere else I can reach out to for help? I know the COI requested edits backlog is high and I'm not trying to jump to the front of the line. But my request seems pretty straightforward, so I'm hoping to at least get some feedback. Any help you can provide would be appreciated! AR at Issue One (talk) 18:45, 17 January 2023 (UTC)

Warning chronology
Definitely worth doing this for repeat offenders, but make sure you aren't warning them for an edit that they've already been warned about, or one that pre-dates a similar edit that they've received a warning for. In cases where it was an innocent mistake, we risk making a user's talk page look like they've ignored four warnings in a row when in fact it's the first they've heard of it.

I may have jumped the gun a little in taking 213.107.48.109's warnings to level 4 when two of those warnings were for older edits, but probably no harm done in the long run. Belbury (talk) 15:49, 24 January 2023 (UTC)


 * With regards to your comment, I did mistakenly warn a second time at User talk:213.107.48.109 for that single problem edit to Harold Lloyd using WP:RedWarn. At the time that I issued the warning, the link for the talk page listed at the diff was a red link. This was probably due to my habit of opening up many diffs simultaneously from my watchlist. I should have double-checked when I landed on the talk page, but I was quickly moving to Special:Contributions/213.107.48.109 to assess if there was other damage being done. I have since switched the referenced article on that warning to Stan Laurel, for which 213.107.48.109 was reverted twice but not previously warned.


 * While I do warn for older but very recent edits, I will note that I never increase beyond the highest level warning that has been left for subsequent edits. I will make these additional warnings for the following reasons:
 * It is important to document problem edits so that an administrator can quickly decide whether to block that editor or not to stop the disruptive editing.
 * While I like to assume good faith when possible, incompetent edits are indistinguishable from & as distuptive as vandalism.
 * I have encountered many IP editors who seem to game the system who will stop disruptive editing upon receiving the fourth level warning, so it is important to warn them for each infraction.
 * As per WP:WARNVAND, I think that it is necessary to warn for specific behaviors that have not previously been addressed, like failing to leave an edit summary.


 * For those reasons, I do not think that you prematurely gave a level four warning. Peaceray (talk) 20:34, 24 January 2023 (UTC)


 * Your edit summary notice was certainly warranted, but both of your test3 warnings referred to old edits. By 15:09 the user had received a test1 and vandalism2 warning, and had stopped editing; you then gave them two test3 warnings for edits they'd made prior to the one they'd most recently been warned about. Don't mean to rake you over the coals here, though, thanks for warning vandals in general. Nothing more disheartening than finding a long-running vandal that nobody's bothered to template. --Belbury (talk) 21:22, 24 January 2023 (UTC)


 * I do not consider edits that were earlier in the same day to be *old*. Again, if someone is creating problematic edits, there is no harm for warning them on each edit, as that informs administrators. It matters not to me if the order of warnings matches the sequence of problematic edits. As it was, this editor made ten edits that were reverted today & received warnings for six of them. Peaceray (talk) 23:09, 24 January 2023 (UTC)


 * If a user's been warned for a particular type of problem edit, escalating that to higher warning levels for earlier examples (even if only a few hours earlier) is confusing for everyone, administrators included. It reads as if the user has ignored the earlier warning and wilfully continued the behaviour.
 * Imagine a situation where a user makes four bad edits at 9am and is given four escalating warnings at 10am. To other editors and admins, this is saying that the user is a persistent vandal who should be blocked for their next bad edit; in reality, if the user logs back in at 11am this will be the first time they've heard that their edits are even a problem.
 * In cases where you think an obvious vandal does merit an immediate level 4 warning to stop what they're doing, you don't need to build up to it by finding old edits to warn them about, you can skip straight there with uw-vandalism4im. --Belbury (talk) 09:28, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
 * I respectfully disagree. I rarely go to an immediate level 4 warning & only do so for the most egregious edits. Most new editors make a few edits initially. Disruptive editors sometimes start by making by seeing how many disruptive edits they can do. I believe that they must be stopped as soon as possible, & the most effective way to stop them is to warn them for each problem edit.
 * In many if not most cases, this is effective. For those who then make a disruptive edit after a 4th level warning, I will report this editor to WP:AIV. The vast majority of time, administrators then block that editor or IP. I therefore reject that my approach is confusing to administrators, as I rarely have had a negative comment beyond the occasional decline.
 * I believe that protecting the encyclopedia from vandalism & disruptive editing is paramount, & that timely warning about each problem edit is a valid & vital tactic. Most disruptive editors respond by stopping, & sometimes will respond on their talk page either acknowledging the problem, seeking clarification, or stating their view. I believe this is consistent with WP:AGF. Editors who are editing in good faith will be responsive, either by stopping or responding on their talk page. Disruptive editors will plow on ahead making disruptive edits ignoring any waning or other attempts to engage, & must be blocked ASAP.
 * I see that you & I have a similar amount of edits across all projects, although I have about 50% more on this project. I have been doing page patrol for well over a decade. Even though you have your own approach, please respect mine. It has worked for me, & it has worked for enwiki. Peaceray (talk) 15:36, 25 January 2023 (UTC)

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Wikimedians for Sustainable Development - January 2023 Newsletter
This is our twentythird newsletter, covering January 2023. This issue has news related to SDGs 3, 5, 10, 11, 13, 14 and 16.

Meetings
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Activities
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Thanks again, and happy editing! Iazyges  Consermonor   Opus meum  06:03, 7 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Of course, I know about my autoconfirmed status, but I was helping out when the article was moved into the draft namespace due to an intial lack of references. Generally when someone has moved an article into draft status & I am performing article rescue, I let somebody else decide when it is ready for prime time. I am plenty okay with moving my own drafts into the main space. Peaceray (talk) 06:17, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

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How does this whole Process work, Peaceray..?
Hi - I appreciate you being open to being contacted. So, I posted an edit suggestion on the talk page of the clitoris page. I can't tell if the moderators have read it - how do I know this and get a response..? I have suggested this edit before and there is literally no justification for it not to happen in my view. Also, once they refuse it (which they no doubt will) how does one appeal..? There doesn't seem to be a democratic / reasonable assessment of edit suggestions. As an aside, this whole wiki platform is not user friendly to the point where I almost feel it's done on purpose to ensure that only the most tenacious casual editors to have their ideas truly heard. FlipertyFlop (talk) 08:43, 24 February 2023 (UTC)
 * I am on vacation & in a remote area where I have access to satellite Internet but not AC. I am not able to charge my laptop, so I am using my phone to respond to you. I am thus not likely to fully respond on Talk:Clitoris until Sunday, Peaceray (talk) 14:13, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

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Wikimedians for Sustainable Development - February 2023 Newsletter
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News
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Research
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Charles H Lindsey -Help
Charles H. Lindsey has passed away, yet the request to improve his listing still refers to "living person" and I am not sure what to do. Do we still need more citations? G4ugm (talk) 20:16, 3 March 2023 (UTC)

March 2023 Seattle meetup
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Help with what seems like trying to occult journalism and academic research
Hello Peaceray, I hope you're well! I am reaching out to you because you said I could talk on your talk page when you sent me a welcome message (thank you again!).

I'm new to Wikipedia editing as you know, but I am very concerned about the way this article has been changed over the last 2 days: Sacheen Littlefeather.

I explained some of these concerning edits on the article's talk page at 12:08, 15 March 2023 (UTC), 12:27, 15 March 2023 (UTC), 12:28, 15 March 2023 (UTC) (and there's more concerning facts I discovered).

If you could read those comments of mine in the talk page and let me know your thoughts, I would really appreciate it. It honestly looks like someone is trying to censor and hide the academic research and journalism has gone into it.

Thank you! One More Scientist (talk) 12:42, 15 March 2023 (UTC)


 * This article seems to be undergoing a reorganization along with additional material & citations. Here are the thus far for March. Most of the added sources seem reliable.
 * If you wish to get input from people more familiar with the subject than I am, I think it would be better to ask for help at the associated Wikiprojects:
 * Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Indigenous peoples of North America
 * Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Women
 * Wikipedia talk:WikiProject California/San Francisco Bay Area task force
 * Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Actors and Filmmakers
 * Peaceray (talk) 03:22, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

New York Post usage at Sacheen Littlefeather
Howdy Peaceray, first of all, sorry to belabor the issues with the discussion just above this one, but I wanted to give you a heads up that after you removed the Post refs at this article (a move with which I agree), one was subsequently reinstated, and so I opened a topic at WP:RSN asking for other opinions. Just felt I should let you know. Have a nice day! Dumuzid (talk) 14:11, 16 March 2023 (UTC)


 * I found another source, The Mercury News that has similar material. I replaced the quote & citation from the WP:NYPOST with the new text. I also noted this at WP:RSN.

Spencer compton
Hi I am desperate to write a biography on every prime minister on Wikipedia could you help me as I saw you messaged me on Spencer Compton. I am willing to pay Primeminguy (talk) 09:32, 21 March 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi, I respectfully decline. I am a volunteer & have never been, nor plan to be, a paid editor who then would need to disclose paid-contibutions, although I have made an occasional conflict of interest disclosure. I will continue to edit articles of interest to me, & at present this does not include prime ministers.


 * I would suggest that you ask for help at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Politics of the United Kingdom/Politicians & Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Biography/Politics and government. Peaceray (talk) 14:22, 21 March 2023 (UTC)


 * Oh that’s totally fine but could you help me with information then because I’m trying to fill the biography on Wikipedia for all English prime ministers and I’m having difficulty.

any help would be much appreciated Primeminguy (talk) 15:08, 23 March 2023 (UTC)


 * I am responding to you on your own talk page at User talk:Primeminguy. I believe it better to continue there. Peaceray (talk) 04:54, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

Spam citation
Hi! It looks like you accidentally cited an autogenerated SEO spam site in this edit. 91.129.104.215 (talk) 19:28, 25 March 2023 (UTC)


 * Thank you taking care of that & letting me know! Peaceray (talk) 22:28, 25 March 2023 (UTC)

Women in Red April 2023
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Wikimedians for Sustainable Development - March 2023 Newsletter
This is our twentyfifth newsletter, covering March 2023. This issue has news related to SDGs 3, 5, 10, 13, 15 and 16.

Meetings
 * Upcoming: User group meeting 2023-04-02 (SDG all)
 * Past: User group meeting 2023-03-05 (SDG all)

Activities
 * Ongoing: 365 climate edits (SDG 13)
 * Upcoming: WikiForHumanRights (SDG 10 & 13)
 * Upcoming: April 19 - LaGuardia Community College Earth Day Translatathon with Casa de las Américas NYC (SDG 13)
 * Upcoming: April 22 - Earth Day 2023 Edit-a-thon Environment of Brooklyn Focus with Sure We Can (SDG 13)
 * Upcoming: April 23 - Earth Day Wiknic NYC (SDG 13)
 * Past: Gender and culture related event to test image suggestions on Wikipedia (SDG 5)
 * Past: Feminism and Folklore 2023 (SDG 5)
 * Past: Art+Feminism edit-a-thon for Nigerian female artists (SDG 5)

News
 * Putting our energy into Wikipedia as climate action (SDG 13)
 * How Art+Feminism is using Wikipedia to promote equity in the art world (SDG 5)
 * Biodiversity Heritage Library and Wikidata (SDG 15)
 * Black history month and more (SDG 10)
 * Women Do News: Tackling the Gender Divide in Journalism Through Wikipedia (SDG 5)
 * Wiki Loves Earth 2023 is starting! (SDG 15)
 * The Quest to Close the Gender Gap on Wikipedia Continues; Five-Year Anniversary with Feminism & Folklore (SDG 5)
 * WikiGap Malaysia 2023: Empowering women in indigenous languages (SDG 5)
 * Wikipedia has a climatetech problem (SDG 13)

New Wikidata properties
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 * Malaysia Federal Legislation act ID (SDG 16)
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Portal:Genealogy
Hello, I would like to know how to create a new Wikipedia portal about genealogy. How to do it? Thank you for your help. Regards (talk) 21:28, 4 April 2023 (UTC)
 * As of today, of my 68,900+ edits, exactly 2 are in the Portal namespace, so I fear that I am a poor one to consult with on this. I would recommend that you look at these pages:
 * Portal
 * Contents/Portals
 * WikiProject Portals
 * You may want to contact some who are working with Wikipedia portals. Here are some resources for this.
 * Open a discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Portals
 * Contact a participant at WikiProject Portals. I would investigate first to try to find an experience Portal editor.
 * Contact one of the editors at WikiProject Directory/Description/WikiProject Portals after investigating first to determine who has the most experience.
 * may be a good contact, as this prolific editor has 1,827 edits in the Portal namespace & has worked on Portal templates.
 * I hope this is helpful. Happy editing! Peaceray (talk) 03:18, 5 April 2023 (UTC)
 * I would be happy to help. Some editors think that we should do away with portals entirely because they believe that portals detract from encyclopedic articles. Portals do need to be updated on a regular basis by the relevant WikiProjects or they will be deleted. Yours aye, Buaidh  talk e-mail 16:54, 6 April 2023 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Elizabeth Siddal
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I'm surprised to see you doing what appears to be canvassing.
At WP:Talk. How did you pick those editors, some of whose edits are a long time ago? Doug Weller talk 09:20, 12 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Hi, thanks for your inquiry. I do what I normally do when opening a major discussion on an article. First, I notified the two involved WikiProjects. Before I started notifying individual editors, Iskandar323 & Nableezy had already joined the discussion, so I did not see the need to invite them. I then used the analysis XTools's List of Jewish states and dynasties - Page History to determine who had edited the page the most. Unfortunately, this is a very low-traffic page for editing, so I invited anyone with two or more edits. This is a strategy that I do when publicizing a major discussion, & I do not check to see what an editor has done, so I do not know who would agree or disagree with my viewpoint. Sometimes my proposal or arguments have been quickly & rightly dismissed, sometimes they may receive no attention at all, & sometimes they confirm that I am on the right track.


 * I am aware of WP:CANVASS & have sought to be in line with the statements that it is perfectly acceptable to notify other editors of ongoing discussions, provided that it be done with the intent to improve the quality of the discussion by broadening participation to more fully achieve consensus & don't preselect recipients according to their established opinions. Be open! It is arguable as to whether I have managed to keep the number of notifications small as I usually seek to contact the most involved editors. In retrospect, my choice of heading may have violated keep the message text neutral, but I did attempt to soften it by posing as a question. Perhaps it was a poor way to indicate "is it just me, or do I sense a POV edit here?" Peaceray (talk) 14:25, 12 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the explanation, which makes sense. I did see (through a script) that you notified several editors who aren't around. And one on my watchlist which is why I asked. Not on my watchlist because I think they're a great editor. I didn't check them all. Doug Weller  talk 14:45, 12 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Yes, that is a risk when there were so few editors. Normally I would drop someone who has not edited in a long while, as long as there is a substantial pool of editors who have been editing lately. Usually someone with a lot of edits is at least not going to be a vandal, as those tend to get weeded out by blocking. But even a vandal can sometimes be converted. I once heard of a notable editor of medical articles who said their first edit was vandalism. Some grow wiser with experience. Peaceray (talk) 05:20, 13 April 2023 (UTC)

Double signatures in welcome template
Hello Peaceray.

This is just a little note that the welcome template / script that you use is now leaving double signatures, example.

Also, being the one who welcomed me on my talk page five months ago, thanks for the late, but warm welcome. I appreciate it. I started editing Wikipedia 1.5 months before it. Since then, I have learned a lot of the processes of editing Wikipedia, how articles are best written, resolving disputes, dealing with vandalism, features that I didn't know exist, etc. The links in the welcome message definitely helped me along the way there.

Regards, — AP 499D25  (talk)  04:34, 21 April 2023 (UTC)

Update: I just had a look at the revision history of the WelcomeMenu template that you use, and it appears that the "automatic" / built-in signature was moved from inside the box to below it, and this change was just made a couple of days ago, which makes a lot of sense to me as to why the script you use would now be leaving double sigs – I'm guessing you had a signature manually placed at the end of the template, so people can reply to it at the bottom, instead of in the box which would create a mess. Best regards, — AP 499D25  (talk)  04:49, 21 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Yeah, that is a problem with Twinkle. They removed the Welcome-menu template that I favor from their standard menu, so I added it back in for myself at User:Peaceray/twinkleoptions.js. The problem is, is that when you use twinkleoptions.js, Twinkle inserts signatures at two different places. I had advocated it for keeping it in their standard menu to no avail, so there you have it. The whole idea of using Twinkle is to do things quickly, so I am not going to manually substitute the template or remove the second signature. It is an annoyance. Peaceray (talk) 05:11, 21 April 2023 (UTC)


 * I see, that makes a lot of sense. I've noticed some welcome templates include a signature as part of the template, while some don't. Hmm, maybe the templates should be standardised to not have a signature as part of them, because of that issue.
 * By the way, isn't it time to archive your user talk page? I see that this talk page is archived on a "yearly" basis, however all the messages from 2022 are still there, intact. — AP 499D25  (talk)  05:31, 21 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Yes, I am way overdue. Peaceray (talk) 13:52, 21 April 2023 (UTC)

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Can you look at this user activity in Wikipedia : User:চিথারাই মাহাতো

MaxA-Matrix&#128172; talk 09:52, 21 April 2023 (UTC) Sorry for that. I tried changing from Kurmali to Kudmali. But it was mistakenly changed to the Wikipedia project page. However, how can I do it right now? Help me plz. Thank You. — Preceding unsigned comment added by চিথারাই মাহাতো (talk • contribs) 10:31, 21 April 2023 (UTC)

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Hello Peaceway: There’s a problem with new account IntrotoComm, to whom you sent a welcome message today, so I’m hoping you might know how to handle it. If you look at the most recent edits to Microaggression, you’ll see IntrotoComm’s edit on April 20, which I reverted because it was poorly sourced, didn’t make much sense, and had general CIR issues. That’s IntrotoComm’s only edit. A few hours later there’s another low-quality edit by user Doggie98011, which I also reverted per WP:UNDUE, followed by another such edit by user Brooklynmdh. Each of the three accounts (IntrotoComm, Doggie98011, and Brooklynmdh) has only one edit, and most likely it’s the same person. None of them has an active talk-page, except for your welcome message to IntrotoComm. I’d rather handle this without the drama of ANI or SPI. Any suggestions? Thanks. NightHeron (talk) 21:45, 21 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Please see Sockpuppet investigations. Peaceray (talk) 22:03, 21 April 2023 (UTC)

Confirm
Someone edited a comment you made at the RfC Special:Diff/1151246027/1151292095. Can you confirm this is what you want? -- Green  C  03:28, 23 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I am addressing it. Peaceray (talk) 04:54, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

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hello peaceray i have question about making article i want to start a new article about the person's biography his is rapper of India my question is do i need permission of that person to create a article of his? MICHAEL 942006 (talk) 12:09, 27 April 2023 (UTC)


 * As long as the person is notable & there are plenty of references from reliable sources establishing this, you may create an article. You do not need that person's permission.
 * I recommend looking at
 * WP:Notability
 * WP:Biographies of living persons
 * WP:WikiProject Biography
 * WP:Manual of Style/Biography
 * Peaceray (talk) 14:00, 27 April 2023 (UTC)

Correcting typos on svg
Hey Peaceray, I noticed a typo on the svg about Bronze age metallurgy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bronze_Age#/media/File:Metallurgical_diffusion.svg). The cartouche says: "Diffusion of metallury", not "metallurgy". I mention it to you since I don't know how to correct this mistake. Cheers. Nicktalop (talk) 07:51, 24 April 2023 (UTC)


 * The image file is at commons:File:Metallurgical_diffusion.svg & is derived from commons:File:Diffusion métallurgie.png, which has the correct French spelling of wiktionary:métallurgie. Sometimes things get mistranslated.
 * You are the creator of commons:File:Metallurgical_diffusion.svg. The word "metallury" is a misspelling in the caption. It should be wiktionary:metallurgy (also see metallurgy). Would you please correct this?
 * Peaceray (talk) 13:58, 24 April 2023 (UTC)


 * I see that User:Want uploaded a new version of the file two days ago. https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:Metallurgical_diffusion.svg&diff=prev&oldid=753963757 Peaceray (talk) 05:08, 28 April 2023 (UTC)

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What the actual....!!!
Here, you removed, with no edit summary, a very well known quote (try googling it) from the lead of Pre-Raphaelite Brotherhood an hour after an ip's only edit claimed it "failed verification" to the academic source referenced. For an experienced editor this is astonishing. Johnbod (talk) 15:26, 20 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Considering that I leave edit summaries 99.8%, I would expect some assumption of good faith for the 0.2% of edits that do not have an edit summary.
 * I distinctly remember putting something into the edit summary about https://archive.org/details/symbolistarttheo0000unse. I may not have previewed it before submitting. "A bad workman always blames his tools", but I do not recall getting prompted for an empty edit summary.
 * 2600:1702:1DB0:5640:7016:AC0D:F74D:5F64 was correct in noting that it failed verification. I searched the online source at https://archive.org/details/symbolistarttheo0000unse, & found no instances of "Sloshua", "sloshy", or "scamped". Since you were directly quoting from a source that did not contain that wording & since I identified it as a misquote, do you not think that I was obligated to take it out?
 * I think that you must have realized that there was an error, since you replaced the "Dorra 1994" citation with "Hilton, 46" with, although you did not circle back to this talk page to report that.
 * Peaceray (talk) 17:23, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
 * I had nothing to do with adding the passage, which I think had been there for a long time. No I don't think you were "obligated to take it out" at all - in fact the quotation is fine. Certainly not within an hour! In the Uk I can't the original source except in snippets.  You should have done what I did, googled a chunk of it, found lots of refs but none ideal, then consulted books, where it was very easily found.  What is this section if not me "circling back"? Johnbod (talk) 20:11, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
 * By circling back, I meant that after you made the citation correction, you did not come directly back. I thought that you were able to verify that "Dorra 1994" did not have the quoted material. When that has been the case with me, I think I have generally updated the talk page on which I last discussed the situation.
 * Depending upon the added material, I will sometimes try to find a citation, or sometimes will delete uncited attestations. I have no patience in a case of when someone puts in a direct quote or figures then attributes them to a source that does not have that information. I was able to verify from https://archive.org/details/symbolistarttheo0000unse that those terms & that quote did not appear in the book. I do feel obligated by our enwiki verifcation policy, which states All quotations, and any material whose verifiability has been challenged or is likely to be challenged, must include an inline citation to a reliable source that directly supports the material. The quote in this case lacked a citation, so I followed policy: Any material that needs an inline citation but does not have one may be removed. Peaceray (talk) 03:46, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
 * "May be removed" doesn't mean "should removed an hour after a tag by a first-time ip editor, and with no edit summary"! I feel "obligated" to point out that this was a very bad edit, which might very well not have been picked up. Why do you only "sometimes" try to find a a good cite? This would have been an excellent and easy time to do it. I still have no idea what you are complaining abou re "circling back" - I came here to protest about your edit pretty soon after I added the good ref. You seem to think you know what was in my head (and past actions) but your conjectures are all mistaken. Johnbod (talk) 14:19, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
 * "May be removed" doesn't mean "should removed an hour after a tag by a first-time ip editor, and with no edit summary"! I feel "obligated" to point out that this was a very bad edit, which might very well not have been picked up. Why do you only "sometimes" try to find a a good cite? This would have been an excellent and easy time to do it. I still have no idea what you are complaining abou re "circling back" - I came here to protest about your edit pretty soon after I added the good ref. You seem to think you know what was in my head (and past actions) but your conjectures are all mistaken. Johnbod (talk) 14:19, 21 May 2023 (UTC)


 * PS, rather wierdly, I see this passage was in the text from May 2018 (I haven't looked further back) referenced (as now) to Hilton - same page # but the wrong publisher given! Johnbod (talk) 14:25, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
 * In fact it was added here, in 2010. Johnbod (talk) 14:43, 21 May 2023 (UTC)
 * "May be removed" doesn't mean "should removed an hour after a tag by a first-time ip editor I evaluate edits on their merits, & I find that IP editors, even first ones, usually have beneficial edits, although obviously many do not. In this case, the editor knew enough to correctly place the Failed verification template, so I rather doubt this was a total newbie even if they left no edit summary.
 * Why do you only "sometimes" try to find a a good cite? It is all about context. It there is material that obviously absurd or vandalism, material without citation that violates WP:BLP, or quoted material or figures without a citation, I remove it. This material included an exact quote that failed verification, so as mentioned above, removing it was totally in line with WP:V. I do a lot of page patrol & citation improvements. Sometimes when someone has added material that looks legit & I will attempt to find a citation. If I find one, I will add it; if not, I will remove the material as unverifiable. You can check my recent edits to Elizabeth Siddal or Clara Bow to see the lengths to which I go.
 * I came here to protest about your edit pretty soon after I added the good ref. Mea culpa — I am sorry, I did get the sequence wrong. I was certainly hasty, as I was editing either first thing in the morning or last thing at night, as I have been on holiday attending a film festival. However, I would have appreciated some acknowledgement that the citation was there had failed verification & some notice that you had found a correct citation. The statement that For an experienced editor this is astonishing seemed to be a lack of WP:AGF when in fact I was following WP:V. I tend to get testy when I feel attacked for following policy.
 * Peaceray (talk) 05:45, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Well, you have it all worked out, apparently, yet somehow your edit still happened. I revert far too many bad edits of all sorts to go around giving "notice", nor I think is this at all usual practice. You could see it on your watchlist, the same way I luckily saw yours. " I was following WP:V" is a very thin excuse when the results are bad.  Johnbod (talk) 15:10, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

Pre-Raphaelite Brotherhood
You know, per WP:CITEVAR, you are supposed to ask on talk before changing the citation style? Johnbod (talk) 01:33, 24 May 2023 (UTC)


 * Okay, cool, I am happy to talk about citations, & an well familiar with WP:CITVAR, which opens with Editors should not attempt to change an article's established citation style merely on the grounds of personal preference, to make it match other articles, or without first seeking consensus for the change.
 * The Pre-Raphaelite Brotherhood uses a mixed style of citations; I was not attempting to impose a standard on the article, such as turning all citations into templates. If I were doing that, I would certainly put a notice on the article. I saw a handful of improvements that I could make, so I did that boldly just as anywhere I could see making a tweak or two would improve something.
 * Under the Generally considered helpful section:
 * improving existing citations by adding missing information, such as by replacing bare URLs with full bibliographic citations: an improvement because it aids verifiability, and fights link rot;
 * improved the citation by adding archive parameters for a dead URL, an editor link, & information pertinent to the web page while discarding non-standard extraneous information about the website that had not much to do with the linked web page.
 * added a DOI, an ISBN, an OCLC #, the editor's name, & the title of the encyclopedia, whereas the previous citation was
 * [...] an improvement because it provides more verifiable information to the reader, and helps maintain text–source integrity
 * The edit that replaced the "Dorra 1994" citation with, which is an unlinked shortened footnote  put the full citation into cite book format, which automatically generates a   parameter. I also added publisher, OCLC#, and a url parameters to make it a "full bibliographic citation". I then converted the unlinked shortened footnote into one that was linked. I believe that this certainly "provides more verifiable information to the reader" by allowing a user to click on the shortened footnote link to get to the full citation.
 * combining duplicate citations
 * After I created the "Hilton 1971" cite book citation, I saw that there were other footnotes for Hilton. It no longer made sense to have these duplicate citations., I deduped the full citations within the existing named ref tags by using the construct.
 * There was an awkward unlinked shortened footnote,, that referenced another footnote. This is not in line with Help:Shortened footnotes; a shortened footnote should always point to a full citation, usually in a references list such as the Pre-Raphaelite Brotherhood section). In this case,  moved the full citation into the sources section then converted the   into a linked shortened footnote & to dedupe the   the same way.
 * That covers all citation improvements that I have made to the Pre-Raphaelite Brotherhood article.
 * You mentioned that one is supposed to ask on the talk page before changing the citation style. I certainly do that when I am imposing a citation style on an article or making substantial citation changes. Here are some diffs where I have done that:
 * That is about that for now. I did want to ask, since you mentioned you were in the UK, are you going, or have you been, to the Rossetti exhibition at the Tate Gallery? Across the pond here, in the state that I grew up in, the Delaware Art Museum has a substantial Pre-Raphaelite collection.
 * I see on your user page that you are a member of WikiProject Visual Arts. Perhaps we can work on improving the class of an article for that someday. I hope to eventually work on ceramic art as my younger son teaches ceramics at an art museum in Hawaii. Peaceray (talk) 05:47, 24 May 2023 (UTC)
 * That is about that for now. I did want to ask, since you mentioned you were in the UK, are you going, or have you been, to the Rossetti exhibition at the Tate Gallery? Across the pond here, in the state that I grew up in, the Delaware Art Museum has a substantial Pre-Raphaelite collection.
 * I see on your user page that you are a member of WikiProject Visual Arts. Perhaps we can work on improving the class of an article for that someday. I hope to eventually work on ceramic art as my younger son teaches ceramics at an art museum in Hawaii. Peaceray (talk) 05:47, 24 May 2023 (UTC)
 * That is about that for now. I did want to ask, since you mentioned you were in the UK, are you going, or have you been, to the Rossetti exhibition at the Tate Gallery? Across the pond here, in the state that I grew up in, the Delaware Art Museum has a substantial Pre-Raphaelite collection.
 * I see on your user page that you are a member of WikiProject Visual Arts. Perhaps we can work on improving the class of an article for that someday. I hope to eventually work on ceramic art as my younger son teaches ceramics at an art museum in Hawaii. Peaceray (talk) 05:47, 24 May 2023 (UTC)
 * That is about that for now. I did want to ask, since you mentioned you were in the UK, are you going, or have you been, to the Rossetti exhibition at the Tate Gallery? Across the pond here, in the state that I grew up in, the Delaware Art Museum has a substantial Pre-Raphaelite collection.
 * I see on your user page that you are a member of WikiProject Visual Arts. Perhaps we can work on improving the class of an article for that someday. I hope to eventually work on ceramic art as my younger son teaches ceramics at an art museum in Hawaii. Peaceray (talk) 05:47, 24 May 2023 (UTC)
 * I see on your user page that you are a member of WikiProject Visual Arts. Perhaps we can work on improving the class of an article for that someday. I hope to eventually work on ceramic art as my younger son teaches ceramics at an art museum in Hawaii. Peaceray (talk) 05:47, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

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You seem to be a bit confused: "Travelled" is British, "traveled" American! Johnbod (talk) 03:25, 2 June 2023 (UTC)


 * You are correct. I got it backwards. Thank you for correcting my mistake. Peaceray (talk)
 * No problem - I think you commented on the editor's talk page about it - a retraction might be good. Johnbod (talk) 01:13, 3 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I undid that yesterday & included an apology in the edit summary with . Peaceray (talk) 03:40, 3 June 2023 (UTC)

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hello peaceray i want to know that can i create an article on the topic of crime which was happened recently in tamil nadu, India.They cheated the people with the name of beldex investment company.can you please tell me that, is it can be an article or not MICHAEL 942006 (talk) 10:48, 23 June 2023 (UTC)
 * You can find the criteria for whether or not one can create an article at Notability, specifically the general notability guideline. Creating an article also requires verification from reliable sources. An article must also be neutral & editors must refrain from original research.
 * Since you refer to a topic of crime, the Notability (events) guideline would apply.
 * Please see the coverage section as this describes the required depth, duration, & diversity of coverage. Peaceray (talk) 14:33, 23 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Please see the coverage section as this describes the required depth, duration, & diversity of coverage. Peaceray (talk) 14:33, 23 June 2023 (UTC)
 * Please see the coverage section as this describes the required depth, duration, & diversity of coverage. Peaceray (talk) 14:33, 23 June 2023 (UTC)

Reverted Edit
On 2001: A Space Odyssey (film), without really understanding my intent, I believe. I didn't 'speculate' that the monolith moved, what I meant to indicate is that we do not *know* if the monolith moved. We have absolutely no context, proof, discussion, validation that it is or is not the same monolith from that start of the movie. It could be a second monolith, it could be the first, moved. Thus without knowing if it is a second, or the first moved, stating that the monolith out at Jupiter is a *third* monolith is 'leading the reader'. The true speculation is "this is a third monolith".

I do not like to see "ideas" put into people's heads as fact, and in any summary, the reader will not have the same nuance we have after watching the film. To the reader of any such summary, something stated as 'third', will be taken as something with some context or validation behind it.

So I ask you, do we *know*, 100% know that it is not the monolith from Earth, 4M years ago? Do we 100% know that it is? In as we don't know, we should not start counting, start speculating that there is a second one. And as it is trivial to NOT say 'third', why would we lead the reader to a conclusion? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.83.170.121 (talk) 08:53, 25 June 2023 (UTC)
 * You are engaged in original research & have provided no verification from a reliable source for your speculation. I suggest that you read these policies to understand why editors are reverting your edits. Peaceray (talk) 14:27, 25 June 2023 (UTC)

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Hello, I am not familiar with the English Wikipedia so I hoped you could help me with something. An article I wrote was deleted recently because "there were not enough independent sources". It was called "Stips (Israeli website)". I agree that there weren't enough sources but I believe deleting the whole article is an exaggeration. I thought to make the article a draft again and not to publish it until I find more sources. Is it possible? I worked on it really hard and I fear it will be deleted completely. Thanks! אוהד בר-און (talk) 13:52, 29 June 2023 (UTC)


 * I saw from https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Draft:Stips_(Israeli_website)&action=edit&redlink=1 that the page had been subject of a couple of moves between the main namespace to the Draft namespace. I think that you could ask an administrator to restore it to the Draft namespace. Since there was a decision to delete at Articles for deletion/Stips (Israeli website), I would not move it yourself after recreation to the main namespace but keep it as a Draft. Start by adding the Draft article template at the top. Click on when feel it is ready to move to the main namespace. Then you will get feedback if the reviewing editor feels it is not ready. This may be an iterative process, but at least when it does get to the main namespace it will have been vetted & any problems regarding notablility & sourcing should be resolved. Peaceray (talk) 14:25, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

Link to Italian Florio's page
Dear Peaceray, The page on Wikipedia Italian "Influenza di Giovanni Florio sulle opere shakespeariane" doesn't cover the topic dealt on the page "Florian theory of Shakespeare authorship" in English. The page doesn't cover the theory of Florio as someone who wrote Shakespeare' works, but the influence of John Florio on Shakespeare's works. They are two different topics and two different pages should be created!2001:B07:A99:CEEA:A982:655F:7A0B:2A7F (talk) 22:16, 29 June 2023 (UTC)
 * ✅ Please see wikidata:Q120097019 & wikidata:Q112072866 Would you consider registering & then translating Influence of John Florio on the works of Shakespeare? Peaceray (talk) 22:32, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

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Hi, Peaceray. Thanks for your note. Sorry to have violated any principles of the 'Pedia. Big problem is, the points I made, about the fluidity of classifications in SF (and, I suppose, most kinds of human knowledge), would be hard to endorse with citations, being based on some 60 years of living in the SF community and several decades of writing the occasional SF story or novel: mostly pub conversations and fanzine chatter. But I take your point. I like the Big W a lot and have even dribbled a few pence its way as a tip (AFAIK from the note apparently once stuck on prominently displayed jars in those old cafes you talk about elsewhere -- "To Insure Promptness"). Thrive, AMS. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:23C6:F4C4:5101:211:24FF:FE8B:FFEC (talk) 06:10, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

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Feedback request: crimes of James Cook on the Big Island
Hello Peaceray, James Cook's crimes per this here site are well documented. Are those sources adequate? why is it "neutral" to omit from the text that he had a part in getting killed? He stole people, goods, grave markers, a local politician, and then he was executed. Please elaborate on how "he was killed in the islands" adequately encapsulates the circumstances, neutrally. Please compare and contrast with Jimmy Hoffa, Alexander Litvinenko, Mussolini if you have the integrity to actually address this concern. PS this is advocatejake but with credentials problems which is why I end with regards, advocatejake 66.8.139.14 (talk) 05:55, 9 July 2023 (UTC)
 * To use a contentious label like "crimes committed" without someone having been convicted or adjudged is hardly neutral, & such a statement would not be applied to Hoffa. Putting such comments into an article without attribution is original research at best, even if someone feels strongly that Cook was criminally stupid in his command.
 * I am aware of Cook's death. He was killed out of revenge in the heat of battle when he was unable to excape, & it was hardly an organized persecution.
 * If you have a reliable source that has language like "criminal acts", "atrocities", or the like, then you can directly quote that source as long as you attribute it via a citation. Peaceray (talk) 21:14, 9 July 2023 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Estibaliz Urresola Solaguren
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I made an erroneous edit
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User talk:Peaceray/Subscriptions has grown so large that it's exceeded the maximum possible size of a Wikipedia page and no more messages can be posted. You should probably clean it out. * Pppery * it has begun... 04:42, 19 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Ah, yes, that would cause a problem. I started cleaning it out. I will determine if there is an automated way of deleting them rather than the automated archiving that I am used to. Peaceray (talk) 05:59, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

Castle Bravo
For what it’s worth, Castle Bravo explosion with timestamps. When I saw that edit by the IP changing the title with no cite, I also reacted poorly. But it looks like he was correct - the movie in the article is moving way too fast. Tarl N. ( discuss ) 05:39, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

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Tisha B'Av
The article had a red error message inside inline citation 24. I removed this but you added it back. I don't know why you would want to introduce a red error message into an article. Please explain. 156.61.250.251 (talk) 14:34, 27 July 2023 (UTC)


 * Please refer to the message on your talk page. Your edit displayed incorrectly. I therefore reverted it as a test edit. Please preview your changes to avoid mistakes & perhaps practice in the Sandbox or another sandbox following these instructions. Peaceray (talk) 14:43, 27 July 2023 (UTC)


 * If there is an error, then fix the problem. Removing the template did not fix the problem, it merely removed the warning. Apply a cure instead of treating a symptom. Peaceray (talk) 14:49, 27 July 2023 (UTC)


 * I dealt with your post of 14:43 and wrote the following:


 * I changed the words after "Torah Ark" to the end of the paragraph to the following:




 * I was about to save my reply when I noticed that the comment to which I had replied had disappeared, to be replaced with something else.  So that I can formulate my response, please specify what was the display error which you noticed when reading my edit. 156.61.250.251 (talk) 15:30, 27 July 2023 (UTC)


 * You removed the template! This was not an improvement. The error that you "fixed" had this message cite book: Check |isbn= value: checksum (help) . The message clearly indicated that there was a problem with the ISBN, not the the template itself. You seem technically competent with your use of strikethrough & reflist-talk. I do not understand why you did not follow the directions at Help:CS1 errors & fix the ISBN. Your action did not correct the ISBN but did degrade the code by removing the template functionality.


 * I have since corrected the ISBN & added other parameters.
 * As for the text that you reinserted with a strikethrough, I thought I was responding to a different IP editor that I had just reverted as well. When I realized it was irrelevant, I reverted my text & replaced it with the 14:49, 27 July 2023 (UTC) message. That is the one to which you should have been responding. Peaceray (talk) 15:54, 27 July 2023 (UTC)

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DYK for Estibaliz Urresola Solaguren
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Mathemagic
I wanted to add both Looy Simonoff and Tori Noquez as notable and important Math based magicians. Both math professors and magicians who are/were highly regarded.

Looy from the University of Nevada Las Vegas: https://www.unlv.edu/people/lewis-simonoff Tori has appeared on TV shows and in the New York Times and is a math professor Ph.D : https://www.torinoquez.com/

Please include them on the list. 65.130.169.63 (talk) 01:24, 4 August 2023 (UTC)


 * ❌ No, they are not notable by English Wikipedia's standards. For more about this, please read WP:LISTPEOPLE.


 * If they are notable, please create an article first, as the WP:WTAF essay suggests. Peaceray (talk) 01:58, 4 August 2023 (UTC)

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need help
hello peaceray i want to know that how can I put afd in article MICHAEL 942006 (talk) 16:18, 30 June 2023 (UTC)


 * You can find guidance at WP:Guide to deletion, WP:Articles for deletion, & WP:Deletion policy. You can follow the instructions on how to nominate a single page for deletion at WP:AFDHOWTO. Peaceray (talk) 18:33, 30 June 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the welcome message
Hello and kind regards! One edit was removed by another admin, she stated that Wikipedia is not a travel page: "Unsourced; also: this isn't a tourist website, so this kind of information is misplaced on Wikipedia)". And this was my suggestion for a new chapter "Visitor information": "The Seventh Fort is a private property and it cannot be visited inside. To an official inquiry at Sepintasfortas.lt we got the following reply: "Hello, you can visit Fort outside only, it is free, any time you want."" In my opinion admins shouldn't be undemocratic and dictators, just remove something alone, it should be discussed with other admins also. I spent time to write the email to the officials of Seventh Fort Kaunas and then I thought I will share this useful information with other. Many tourists use Wikipedia for planning a trip, so do I. Sharing is caring. So I am kinda upset about this, I invested time for the edit, and then it was removed very soon.

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Twin Oaks Wikipedia Page
Hey, you reverted my edits and while I understand the requirements for sources the nature of the community makes those sources hard to come by. That being said I am a first hand source on the community considering I lived there. 2601:1C2:600:8F60:697A:62B7:901D:1B1E (talk) 21:32, 25 August 2023 (UTC)
 * While you may have first hand knowledge, your statement does constitute a reliable source. Please read English Wikipedia's policy on original research to understand why sharing unverifiable information is disallowed. You must provide verification from reliable sources for any attestation.


 * You are most welcome to add the changes back in if you provide verification through citations from reliable sources. Peaceray (talk) 22:09, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

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Draft article on Britannia Village, Ottawa
Dear Peaceray...thank you sooooo much for those edits. You obviously have a high degree of expertise in referencing and I am sure that the whole community appreciates that.

Regards

Robert Neustadter Robert Neustadter (talk) 21:57, 1 September 2023 (UTC)


 * You are welcome. I am glad that I could be of help! I am looking forward to your An Alternative to the Pushpin Map in the Neighbourhood Infobox presentation at WCNA 2013! Peaceray (talk) 22:19, 1 September 2023 (UTC) 😀😀😀

Your reverts on Green Boots
Hello. I would advise you not to revert further on the page Green Boots as further reverting might lead you being blocked by an administrator for violating WP:3RR. Thank you. signed, 64andtim  ( chat ) 21:10, 3 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Thank you for letting me know. I am well aware of WP:3RR & have not been blocked yet in over 12 years of editing (see the this analysis of my editing here). I do appreciate the warning, as there have been a couple times when I inadvertently overstepped 3RR in the heat of reverting an obvious, prolific, & persistent vandal while waiting for admin action. The current disagreement is not vandalism, but rather edit warring against policy (WP:EDITCONSENSUS), so I will be opening up a discussion on the talk page. Peaceray (talk) 21:26, 3 September 2023 (UTC)

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Noor Jehan birthday
Seriously, why do you keep changing her DOB back to 21st Sept?? One journalist made a mistake and everyone celebrates it on the wrong day. What more accurate source do you need than her own daughter Nazia Ejaz or her own granddaughter Natasha Lakhani confirming that her actual DOB is 23rd Sept !! Why keep perpetuating the mistake that it’s on the 21st !!! I really don’t get it 2A02:6B61:1909:0:C4D9:8F5B:D7D6:B060 (talk) 18:28, 22 September 2023 (UTC)


 * I keep changing Jehan's birthday back to 21 September 1926 because no one has provided a reliable source. Nazia Ejaz & Natasha Lakhani do not fit the definition of a reliable source. If her birth date is 23 September 1926, or 23 September 1920 as another editor keeps changing it, then surely there must be more than one published source for that. They do not need to be in English, but they do need to be in a reliable source, like the site of a newspaper, journal, magazine, encyclopedia, or government source. Do the necessary! Please go read the Verifiability, not truth essay to understand why. Otherwise, other editors & I will keep changing it back to 21 September 1926 because that is what a reliable source indicates, & we have gotten no other reliable sources that indicate otherwise. Peaceray (talk) 19:19, 22 September 2023 (UTC)

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Names
About this comment: I don't remember ever seeing any sanctions against someone for using a shortened form of someone else's username. Calling "User:FirstLastname" by "First" involves exactly as few policy violations as calling you "Peace" or me "What". Of course, if the person says they dislike nick names, then that's one thing, but that's for them to say, not the rest of us. WhatamIdoing (talk) 23:08, 4 October 2023 (UTC)


 * I think you need to look at the context of the history of that talk page, particularly what was posted in the Talk:Gardnerian Wicca section. What you will not be able see is the progression of personal information that immediately came after Himagics8's comment with the edits by Biropalmistry & Editor-37921. You cannot see that because the oversight team has suppressed those edits.
 * At worst, it seemed that Himagics8, Biropalmistry, & Editor-37921 could have been engaging in meatpuppetry. In which case, I think my warning about WP:DOX was entirely in order, especially since Himagics8 had referred to off-site behavior in stating that Ianmckeachie Has previously uploaded Youtube Videos indicating that he is opposed to the Declaration that was released and is therefore a biased editor.
 * At best, referring to Ianmckeachie using the first three letters of that account name is a slippery slope concerning WP:DOX, which states Personal information includes real-life name. While I know that a "slippery slope" argument can be a logical fallacy, Himagics8's earlier comment did seem to encourage others to post more sensitive personal information.
 * I have been using the WWW since 1995. One of my first uses of the WWW was with Usenet newsgroups, & I have always understood that the netiquette is to use the username & not to assume something different. Likewise, in social settings, if someone introduces themselves by a certain name & certain pronouns, I find it respectful to use that name & pronouns.
 * It is true I did write on to Himagics8 on Talk:Gardnerian Wicca that I remind you to use usernames rather than alleged first names. Doing the latter violates our Harassment policy. It is my interpretation that anything that points to a off-wiki identity violates this policy, at least in spirit. I think that my interpretation of that policy was useful in this instance, given the posting of personal information by Biropalmistry & Editor-37921 following Himagics8's comments about Ianmckeachie's off-site behavior. I think that my warnings were beneficial & educational, because unabated continuance of that behavior would have probably led to blocking of one or more editors.
 * Do I wish that Ianmckeachie had used a different account name that would have not created an opening to these problems. Well, yeah! But here we are, & we have to make the best about it.
 * Peaceray (talk) 06:23, 5 October 2023 (UTC)
 * You've told the user that this is potentially sanctionable behavior, and it's not. I get the impulse to warn someone who's making mistakes to steer clear of the whole area, but I think you went too far.  Hundreds of editors have used the first name for  and exactly zero of them have ever been sanctioned for it.  That editor appears to trust you, and they're going to repeat what you say as the One True™ Truth for as long as they're on wiki.  The "rule" you made up to keep this one at-risk (in your opinion) editor away from even the temptation to dox someone may be repeated by that editor as The Truth™ for everyone everywhere under all circumstances.  I wish therefore that what you say aligned with a realistic understanding of how that policy is enforced, so that the telephone game (our primary method of teaching the rules to newcomers these days) would start with an accurate story.
 * (My first encounter with Usenet was in the 1980s. I would not really recommend it as a model of good manners.)  WhatamIdoing (talk) 15:23, 5 October 2023 (UTC)
 * Perhaps I did overstep & was over broad in my interpretation of WP:DOX's Personal information includes real-life name in the wake of Dredging up their off-site opinions to repeatedly challenge their edits can be a form of harassment, ... Thank you for your perspective in this. In retrospect, I do wish I had used softer language & made the use of the account name rather than the first name more of a request than a demand, & had separated that request from the allusions to the doxing behavior that had taken place. I will add a statement to that conversation apologizing for my overstep & clarifying the policy.
 * I do believe in the concept of netiquette, even though some have flouted that concept soon after people started sending messages over ARPANET. Certainly WP:Etiquette seems to codify netiquette on enwiki. While I am sorry that I may have misstated policy, I do feel I did the right thing in helping to prevent further harassment of a fellow editor. Peaceray (talk) 16:44, 5 October 2023 (UTC)

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The Current Year is 2016 in the Ethopian Calendar.
2016 is the current year in Ethopia, Because The Ethopian Calendar is 7 to 8 years behind the Gregorian Calendar. 23.245.47.124 (talk) 19:50, 28 October 2023 (UTC)
 * That is correct. What does that have to do with improving the 2016 page? Peaceray (talk) 19:54, 28 October 2023 (UTC)

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Mass message for Wikimedia Cascadia events
I volunteer to send out mass messages for these events, if you think it could be helpful, but it doesn't look like we have a list of wiki usernames to use, instead there's just the email list which I'm not sure is used. (t &#183; c)  buidhe  01:17, 12 November 2023 (UTC)


 * There are these:
 * Meetup/Seattle/Invitees
 * Meetup/Portland/Participants
 * I also am in the mass message sender group, but yes, it would be nice having some additional attending to things.
 * There is also this:
 * Once I have your email, then I could add you as a moderator.
 * Peaceray (talk) 02:48, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I've converted both wiki pages into MMS lists that either of us could use to send messages. I've emailed you for the other thing. (t &#183; c)  buidhe  11:59, 13 November 2023 (UTC)
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Feedback request: first article questions
Hi. I got a welcome message from you a few days ago, which surprised me since I’ve been a registered user since 2006. Perhaps I “leveled up” to more than 50 contributions?

I’ve been working on a draft new page, my first, about a newspaper from the 1970s-1980s: Draft:PLEXUS West Coast Women’s Press. It is quite minimal, a stub, but I’m close to submitting it for review. It contains two images, neither of which have clear/explicit copyright permission. As a result both are tagged “the file could be deleted seven days after the upload.” I waited the seven days to see if they disappeared, and a bit more time because of the American Thanksgiving holiday, but they are still there. I don’t know how these things work. Are they still subject to deletion at any time?

One of the images, an early staff photo, was published by the Berkeley Barb whose full archive is now available open access on JSTOR. I have gotten in touch with the copyright owner, oldest child of the now deceased publisher. They indicated an intent to give me permission to use the photo from their article, but they are traveling overseas right now. I could use some advice about how to convert that intent into a form that Wikipedia will accept.

I’d be happy for any pre-review suggestions you have for my draft article.

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 * Hi, I will respond at Draft talk:PLEXUS West Coast Women’s Press.
 * Here is a couple of other Bay Area publications that I know of:
 * , an inter-communal newsletter that published a couple of years starting in 1969
 * Good Times, 1969–1972
 * Peaceray (talk) 05:02, 29 November 2023 (UTC)

Re:Welcome
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