User talk:The Bushranger/Archive14

FYI
This is what brought the whole thing on: Good article reassessment/Delaware Route 17/1 --Rschen7754 01:55, 29 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Aha, thanks. - The Bushranger One ping only 09:04, 29 July 2012 (UTC)

Help needed
There is persistent ongoing disruptive editing at India and weapons of mass destruction. The IP editor does not respect the consensus achieved on the talk page, does not discuss the issue, either on the article talk page or user talk page, and persistently adds original research/synthesis to the article. Can you assist protect the page? Regards, Anir1uph | talk | contrib 03:12, 29 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Done. - The Bushranger One ping only 09:03, 29 July 2012 (UTC)

page got recreated with new title to avoid salting
Hey dude, if you remember deleting the page for the god awful group Blood on the Dance Floor (which is documented here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Blood_on_the_Dance_Floor_(group)) it got recreated here with the title Blood on the Dance Floor (band) with the new dab "band" to avoid the salting of it. The page should be re-deleted and that title should be salted as well since this is merely trying to get around its deletion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.225.129.6 (talk) 07:02, 29 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Actually, notability was established for the band, and the page was taken to deletion review and unsalted. - The Bushranger One ping only 08:59, 29 July 2012 (UTC)

Dead Space 3
Hi, could you please semi protect this article for a while. There is a massive amount of IP vandalism. Once it's protected I'll clean it up. Thanks, Callanecc (talk • contribs) talkback (etc) template appreciated. 09:09, 29 July 2012 (UTC)
 * User:Boing! said Zebedee has protected it. Sorry for the disruption. Regards, Callanecc (talk • contribs) talkback (etc) template appreciated. 09:26, 29 July 2012 (UTC)
 * No problem. Glad it got fixed up. - The Bushranger One ping only 09:28, 29 July 2012 (UTC)

The Bugle: Issue LXXVI, July 2012
The Bugle is published by the Military history WikiProject. To receive it on your talk page, please join the project or sign up here. If you are a project member who does not want delivery, please remove your name from this page. Your editors, Ian Rose (talk) and Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 09:52, 29 July 2012 (UTC)

Chas. H. Hansen Music Corp.
I had thought that notability had been established. The publishing firm is notable. In its day (1970s), it was one of three of the biggest sheet music publishers of pop music on the planet. Would it be possible for you &mdash; or whomever removed the article &mdash; to email me the latest version so that I can critique it and determine whether it's fixable? To that end, I may attempt to edit it in a way that might satisfy naysayers. Eurodog (talk) 04:11, 29 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I've userified the page for you; it's here. - The Bushranger One ping only 09:01, 29 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Is it possible to make it non-searchable? Eurodog (talk) 14:09, 29 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I went ahead and added the userspace draft notice and the noindex template. Best regards,  Cindy  ( talk to me ) 15:32, 29 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks! - The Bushranger One ping only 20:31, 29 July 2012 (UTC)

Advice
Irredentism is related to Pan-Iranism article, not Greater Iran as cultural region. It has been discussed before six years about it, but some still makes the same mistakes. Cheers. --109.60.7.172 (talk) 02:07, 30 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Then it needs to be discussed on the article talk page to get WP:CONSENSUS to where it needs to be removed from or added to instead of back-and-forth edit-warring. - The Bushranger One ping only 02:08, 30 July 2012 (UTC)
 * No problem, I'll leave that to users and admins since I'm just IP. Thanks for your action, seems like all other admins are at vacations. --109.60.7.172 (talk) 02:10, 30 July 2012 (UTC)
 * You're more than welcome to chime in on the discussion, IP or not - IP editors' contributions are just as valued as registered users (despite the hoards of vandals poisoning the well, alas). The semiprotection of the articles doesn't affect the talk page, so feel free to help out as you can. - The Bushranger One ping only 02:12, 30 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, perhaps with some other IP since this one gained bad reputation, like violating some 20 x 3RR. There has been edit war on this article also: Islam in Iraq. He started again... ‎When it comes about such two IP's conflict banning is fine solution: it's better to have one innocent blocked then one active lunatic. --109.60.7.172 (talk) 02:23, 30 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Protected that one too. Just remember that it takes two to edit-war; I'm not handing out blocks myself here because (as I mentioned at AN/I) the semiprotection both solves the "preventative, not punitive" criterion for blocks, and because dynamic IPs make semiprotection a better option in many cases. - The Bushranger One ping only

The "Iran-Iraq relations" and "Greater Iran" threads
Hello Bushranger

I would like to inform you that the edits I made are in accordance with common sources, the reality and even sources used on Wikipedia concerning the same themes on other threads. I am willing to prove that to you if you wish so people will get the correct information they deserve and not false and forged information that is written without any sources at all. How can that be accepted on Wikipedia? Especially when those claims that are used are wrong?

The problem with the current situation in that thread is that it's "status quo" imposed by you is the false version without any sources/references that was created by 1-2 well-known Iranian nationalists on Wikipedia. The same material has been copied from the "Iran-Iraq relations" thread to the "Greater Iran" thread and vice versa by the same editors. You can yourself witness the similarties of the UNSOURCED claims.

As said before sources should be used to support so many supposed claims - that in reality are wrong.

I hope that you will take a look at it so we can have a discussion about this subject.--83.95.250.247 (talk) 02:14, 30 July 2012 (UTC)
 * You need to go to the article talk page(s), presenting your reliable sources there to discuss the matter civilly to gain consensus for any changes to the article that you believe need to be made. Unfortunatly the area of discussion is out of my area of knowledge and my time is limited; my actions on the articles were in the role of a "fireman" putting out the fire (i.e. the edit-war). So you should take a deep breath, drink a cup of tea (or whatever beverage you enjoy the most), and write up a post for the article talk page or pages that explains your position so that other editors can help build consensus for improving and correcting the article. - The Bushranger One ping only 02:16, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

I like your advice and I agree completely with your approach. I will do as told. After that I can only hope for consensus to be reached. My problem with some parts of the text in those two threads (in reality they are a little minority of those two treads) concerns the unsourced claims, lack of will to post any references when asked so and obviously the fact that the claims are wrong and not backed up by any sources. It's even so absurd that there is information on those two mentioned pages that go against the SOURCED information written on pages concerning the demographics of Iraq and Iran on Wikipedia itself and other threads as well. It obviously irritates me because those few edits were made by 1-2 well-known Iranian nationalists and they were completely unwillng to even discuss this matter which I am. When some of them are able to post a reliable source then I will have no problem with their contributions. But the reality is that this is yet to happen and unless it does so I will obviously oppose such edits which I also did. In hindsigt my approach was not the best - I admit that but that can happen during heated discussions. At least I did not use threats as the user Iranshahr did or invented lies about my person as seen by the discussion page concerning him and me on the administrator discussion page. I would appreciate if my two posts on your wall would reach the administrators or people of importance on Wikipedia - because my current post speak much better for my case than those I posted in the heat of the moment (and very quickly) on the administrator board. Thank you very much.--83.95.250.247 (talk) 02:51, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

More S-76
This may (or may not) interest you. - Ahunt (talk) 23:04, 21 July 2012 (UTC)
 * - The Bushranger One ping only 23:11, 21 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Good reaction. - Ahunt (talk) 23:13, 21 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Ay-yee! Doesn't he ever give up?? - BilCat (talk) 00:23, 22 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Maybe if someone here gets someone from Sikorsky to comment directly on the issue might he learn something to put a sock into his socket for good. ... -- Dave ♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫® 07:44, 22 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Answer to Bill: short of a block, apparently not, or at least not yet. I assume after the current DR will move to ANI and Arbitration.- Ahunt (talk) 10:21, 22 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Stubborn is he - even when some of my proposals haven't found the consensus I anticipated, I don't believe I have ever pondered proceeding to administrative action; it's just easily to accept that 'perhaps I wasn't right/the contrary stance is popular and thus should be left as is', dropping the stick, and just move onto one of a dozen or so articles that could be being worked on without disagreement instead. The sad thing is, I could have actually found myself agreeing and helping out with more minor variant merges, if he hadn't chosen to impale himself on this point. It would be nice to see him turn himself around. Kyteto (talk) 11:43, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Yeah really - it's kinda like Ryan, if he put half the effort into improving his spelling and grammar (and availing himself of the WP:STANDARDOFFER) that he puts into socking he'd be a star contributor in no time... - The Bushranger One ping only 00:07, 23 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Based on his latest tactic, since obviously gaining no support at Dispute resolution, of edit warring to add his POV text not supported by the refs he supplies and now a personal attack, despite many talk page warnings, I would request that you review whether a block is not now warranted. - Ahunt (talk) 10:33, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, the 3RR rule has been broken by TTT, he doesn't seem to understand that shoving his own POV in and attributing it to sources that don't say anything of the kind is NOT accepted by the majority of editors, he just keeps reverting it to what he wants to see. Some of the content he is pushing it blatent guesswork/OR, such as "The S-76's tranmission probably has less torque" - either this should be stated for certain with a source, or not at all; personal theory/guesswork is not acceptable, yet it keeps on being pushed. There's no sign of any development in stance or understanding, he just demands everybody to stand out of his way, or "break the empasse" as he sees it. Kyteto (talk) 12:23, 24 July 2012 (UTC)


 * He is just edit warring and vandalizing away there despite multiple warnings. I don't see there is any choice but a block now, given this history. - Ahunt (talk) 12:00, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
 * That's 8 reverts, for now - he doesn't seem to care that five seperate editors have conducted a contrary reading of the presented sources and found his additions to be not supported by the evidence; he just keeps on thrusting his lone opinion. Kyteto (talk) 12:23, 24 July 2012 (UTC)


 * He is still edit warring and I have warned him again, as I count he has made ten reverts and isn't listening to anyone. Looks like BR is here now, so I am interested to have him review the situation. - Ahunt (talk) 16:30, 24 July 2012 (UTC)


 * . Not wanting to get WP:INVOLVED waved in my face, it's off to WP:ANEW for this chap, I reckon. - The Bushranger One ping only 16:31, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
 * And here's Johnny. - The Bushranger One ping only 16:49, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks. - Ahunt (talk) 16:54, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
 * No prob. If only folks like TTT and Ryan would turn their powers to good... - The Bushranger One ping only 16:56, 24 July 2012 (UTC)


 * I don't quite understand why someome like Ryan would spend so much time writing articles that he knows will just be deleted. The research alone is a time-consuming process. There are far more efficient ways to disrupt WP than writing articles! - BilCat (talk) 21:47, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Bill, we need to familiarise ourselves with Autism. -- Dave ♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫® 22:00, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
 * This is exactly as what's been described in point number 3, 18, 39, 44 & 72 of WP:OWB but what surprises me was that he wasn't blocked earlier, as evident by his persistent edit-warring behaviour on another article page (archive page). -- Dave ♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫® 21:57, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

Well he got himself a 31 hour block, but I expect Act II will come in...31 hours, since his unblock request shows that he has no clue why he was blocked and shows that he has no intention of changing his behaviour. - Ahunt (talk) 19:29, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
 * And no comprehension of how WP:3RR works too. - The Bushranger One ping only 21:20, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I notice from TTT's last edits on the S-76 talk page before they got themself blocked that they still seem to think that the S-76 is a version of the S-70. I know we are meant to assume good faith, but attitudes like that really make it difficult to actually improve the article. I just hope that TTT does not decide to remove my expansion of the technical description because they think that it should be at his new S-70 article.Nigel Ish (talk) 22:00, 24 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Not much comprehension of how helicopters work either, it would seem. :) - BilCat (talk) 21:47, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, I'm the one that thinks that a helicopter transmission can have a 77:1 reduction in a single stage.TeeTylerToe (talk) 01:59, 26 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Which of itself proves nothing, yet alone if it's correct. - BilCat (talk) 03:00, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

That didn't take long at all! Seems to be the same wording that's been rejected before. - BilCat (talk) 01:50, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

I stumbled on this, and you so perfectly meet my expectations.

Now here's an idea. Why don't you, instead of wasting all your time bullying people, threatening them, and using the 3rr, and the hapless admins as your cudgel, why don't you put a tiny fraction of all that effort you're wasting creating conflict, and put it into a simple, easy debate on the talk page. "Does 'the s-76 employed technologies developed for the uh-60 including the transmission' mean that the s-76 transmission is a simpler version of the uh-60 transmission?".TeeTylerToe (talk) 01:59, 26 July 2012 (UTC)


 * The former does not preclude the latter. A better question is if the Sikorsky archive should be considered a reliable source, given that it is dated April 2012, is copyrighted, and clearly uses text copied from WP that was written several years ago, as shown in the archives, but without acknowledgment. Where did the other information in that source come from? Is that info copied from reliable sources? Until those questions are answered, the former wording is better. - BilCat (talk) 02:36, 26 July 2012 (UTC)


 * And you seem to have perfectly met our expectations as expressed here. It's one thing to jump right in and continue your edits as before the block. But dropping snarky notes on admin pages, and making personl attacks at WP:AN3, all within minutes of having your block released, certainly won't help your case any when your next block comes up for review, and will probably ensure that it is swift and quite lengthy. - BilCat (talk) 03:03, 26 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Yup User:TeeTylerToe is right back off a block for edit warring and right back into edit warring the same unsourced POV text again as well as carrying out personal attacks again. I don't think the outcome is going to be happy for some people. - Ahunt (talk) 10:30, 26 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Alas. (And with regards to Bill: if the Sikorsky Archive has copied text from Wikipedia, it cannot be a RS...) - The Bushranger One ping only 01:51, 27 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Exactly. :) - BilCat (talk) 04:26, 27 July 2012 (UTC)


 * And it continues - TTT continues to carry down the same path, ignoring what the references actually say.Nigel Ish (talk) 18:54, 27 July 2012 (UTC)
 * He seems determined to keep edit-warring and entering information contradicted by the refs cited. I am not sure where he gets this strange POV from but it is clear that no one else working on the articles, nor any of the available refs, agree with him. He seems also determined to get himself a much longer block. - Ahunt (talk) 20:43, 27 July 2012 (UTC)


 * I'm trying to have a discussion with him on the issues, but at this point he's letting his anger get in the way of that. He also seems to be using sarcasm as a subsitute for cogent arguments, which isn't helping either. :) - BilCat (talk) 20:47, 27 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Yeah I am following that conversation as well. You are commended for keeping cool under the barrage of insults and "cabal" accusations, but he seems determined to keep beating that long dead horse. The refs he keeps waving clearly show he is wrong, but he won't give up and move on, so the outcome is pretty much predetermined. In the meantime this is all keeping lots of editors from writing new articles, bettering old ones and generally working on the encyclopedia. - Ahunt (talk) 20:55, 27 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks. Well, I'm "retired", so since I don't do much in the way of "writing new articles, bettering old ones and generally working on the encyclopedia" anymore, I have the time to spend. :) - BilCat (talk) 21:01, 27 July 2012 (UTC)


 * This is getting curiouser and curiouser. In his last post on my talk page, he again dumps a large amount of specific information on the S-76's transmission, but again without any sources. He seems to be getting this info from someone (a relativive or friend perhaps), as he himself seems to use language that doesn't convey any expertise ("weaker" engines or transmission, etc.). Anyway, with his newest block, for one week, I'm moving on. - BilCat (talk) 10:06, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

I left him a note on his user talk page with some suggestions on what to do when the latest block expires in a week, but judging by the learning curve to date I guess this will end up in one further block. - Ahunt (talk) 11:26, 28 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Judging by his reply, he'll return to edit warring, and get indef blocked for it. Sigh. I hope he doesn't resort to socking to continue his campaign, but given his behavior so far, I won't hold my breath! - BilCat (talk) 11:43, 28 July 2012 (UTC)


 * He didn't even get that far; he is now indef blocked for personal attacks on his talk page during his week-long block for edit warring. - Ahunt (talk) 11:26, 30 July 2012 (UTC)


 * I hate to say it, but that was fairly predictable. - The Bushranger One ping only 21:47, 30 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Yup, pretty much unfolded on schedule. - Ahunt (talk) 21:56, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

Types of cities by geographical region
i want to try to expand it as much as possible. can it return back ? . פארוק (talk) 19:57, 30 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Er, I'm not quite sure what you are referring to. If you want a deleted page restored, the place to ask is WP:DRV. - The Bushranger One ping only 22:05, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

you're too quick
You closed it while I was commenting : ) - jc37 01:14, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Oops, sorry the zoom-zoom gotcha! - The Bushranger One ping only 01:17, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

Comment on 2 DR's below
These 2 DRs here and here have 6 or 7 delete votes--including mine, I admit--but no keep or neutral votes. I don't know if they are snow candidates but maybe you could take a look at each individual DR. If you decide to do nothing, its your decision, of course. As for me, I'm going on a long wikibreak to see the Olympics among other things. PS: There is no need to respond to my message here but thanks anyway. Best Regards, --Artene50 (talk) 05:15, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Those are both clear WP:SNOW cases, and I've closed them. As a note, those are AFDs, not DRs. - The Bushranger One ping only 01:05, 1 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment: Yes, they are formally 'Articles for Deletion', not Deletion Requests. I apologise for missing the distinction. I normally edit more at WikiCommons. Best Regards, --Artene50 (talk) 01:15, 1 August 2012 (UTC)
 * No problem. Glad to help! - The Bushranger One ping only 01:16, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

DreamMcQueen
After this comment, I have extended the ANI thread on DreamMcQueen and created an SPI. Just letting you know. -  Neutralhomer •  Talk  • 06:53, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I asked User:Keegan to do a CU (since we were dealing with a sockpuppeteer and the worry of sleeper accounts) and he did and there weren't any sleeper accounts. The SPI is still open, so I guess he is going to have another CU check as well. -  Neutralhomer  •  Talk  • 09:15, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Funny how so many problem users turn out to be socks. - The Bushranger One ping only 23:42, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

Darn that Turner Classic Movies!
Just convalescing when this old (1939) "B" movie comes on, Five Came Back which not only stars an obscure airliner prototype, the Capelis XC-12 (which tried to reduce itself to parts when flown), a young Lucille Ball, a good cast featuring Chester Morris but also a screenplay with Dalton Trumbo as one of the team of screenwriters, the fiery director John Farrow and the very first of the airplane disaster genre films (I think other like films may have preceded it but this was the first I could find). Check out the article and see what you think. FWiW Bzuk (talk) 13:23, 31 July 2012 (UTC).
 * ...that is one bizzare looking plane! - The Bushranger One ping only 23:53, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

WikiCup 2012 July newsletter
We're approaching the beginning of 2012's final round. Pool A sees as the leader, with 300 points being awarded for the featured article Bivalvia, and Pool B sees  in the lead, with 10 good articles, and over 35 articles eligible for good topic points. Pool A sees in second place with a number of articles relating to baseball, while Pool B's  follows Grapple X, with a variety of contributions including the high-scoring, high-importance featured article on the 2010 film Pride & Prejudice. Ruby2010, like Grapple X, also claimed a number of good topic points; despite this, not a single point has been claimed for featured topics in the contest so far. The same is true for featured portals.

Currently, the eighth-place competitor (and so the lowest scorer who would reach the final round right now) has scored 332, more than double the 150 needed to reach the final round last year. In 2010, however, 430 was the lowest qualifying score. In this competition, we have generally seen scores closer to those in 2010 than those in 2011. Let's see what kind of benchmark we can set for future competitions! As ever, if you are concerned that your nomination—whether it is at good article candidates, a featured process, or anywhere else—will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on WikiCup/Reviews. Questions are welcome on Wikipedia talk:WikiCup, and the judges are reachable on their talk pages or by email. Good luck! If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. J Milburn (talk • email) and The ed17 (talk • email) 22:35, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

Category closure
Hi, when merging categories, please copy and paste head categories if appropriate, as at Category:Functionalism (architecture). Perhaps you thought I had taken care of that already. – Fayenatic  L ondon 09:01, 1 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Ah, I figured the bot did that. Yeah, I'll double-check that from now on. Thanks! - The Bushranger One ping only 15:20, 1 August 2012 (UTC)

Template issue
I nominated this navbox for deletion but it resulted in an AFD. Can you possibly take a look at it? Thank you....William 00:48, 2 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Here you go. - The Bushranger One ping only 00:57, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

Lee County Sheriff's Office (Florida)
There's a small edit war going on between two editors at this article. It's being discussed at the talk page also. Could you possibly come over and mediate or at least give you two bits either way on the subject matter in dispute....William 17:35, 2 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Commented there. - The Bushranger One ping only 18:45, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

Domonic Davis
You deleted Dominic davis per WP:Articles for deletion/Dominic davis but the page had been moved to Dominic Davis during the AFD, and the new page has not been deleted. Can you address this please? WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 03:11, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for catching that. That's why I wrote WP:NOMOVE... - The Bushranger One ping only 03:16, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * Thanks! - The Bushranger One ping only 23:47, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

ANI
One more close and the whole board is closed... ;) Cheers! --Tgeairn (talk) 04:47, 4 August 2012 (UTC)
 * It feels good to have "all cases...closed" doesn't it? - The Bushranger One ping only 04:49, 4 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I can sleep now! --Tgeairn (talk) 04:50, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

V-22
BR could you semi protect the V-22 page please? We have IPs from Japan using the page to protest the aircrafts deployment to Okinawa. Thanks. BilCat (talk) 07:44, 4 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Consider it done. - The Bushranger One ping only 07:58, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks! BilCat (talk) 08:00, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for listing all those Hokkaido cats at CFD/S, I'd been meaning to get around to it for a while but kept putting it off. Cheers, Jenks24 (talk) 07:45, 4 August 2012 (UTC)
 * No problem! - The Bushranger One ping only 07:56, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

WP:CFD/S
This speedy nomination ( to  ) was lost between WP:CFD/S  and WP:CFD/W. It's the second time I see this with you. Please be more careful. Armbrust, B.Ed. WrestleMania XXVIII The Undertaker 20–0  07:09, 5 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the catch. I have no idea how this is happening, but I'll triple-check instead of double-checking. - The Bushranger One ping only 07:28, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * Thanks! - The Bushranger One ping only 04:55, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

People from Arab, Alabama
Can I ask you to withdraw this category? Here's my reason- Arab is a town in multiple counties. There is a person from it, and who knows maybe others. I did a google search but I was getting Arabs not born in Arab Alabama. Towns that fall in multiple counties are what I strongly feel should be a exception to the WP:SMALLCAT. BTW if you haven't noticed, most of these SMALLCAT nominees you or I have found were created by the same editor. Why did she do it I'd love to know.

I spend time populating town and county categories. A few days ago I filled up Humboldt, Tennesse. Humboldt is a multiple county town. I also created 'People from Strawberry Plains, Tennessee', an unincorporated area with a unknown population but with 3 notable people from it. Strawberry Plains is in 3 counties.

How do I nominate multiple towns at once? I'd go through a state(Say Oklahoma) and put up like ten towns all at once. Do I have to manually nominate the towns and make the entries on the CFD page? If so, how? Please write back....William 10:51, 5 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Sure, I can remove it - no problem. As for the multiple nominees, the way I do it is to use Twinkle to nominate the first one, then manually tag the others and cut-and-paste the original nomination's "...proposed merging..." line with appropriate edits for each of the other cats involved. - The Bushranger One ping only 20:56, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

Category:Entities with Welsh names
It would have been nice if you'd listed this on the WikiProject:Wales page. Maybe people there would have had a clue what they were talking about, and more than two people would have voted.--MacRusgail (talk) 15:35, 5 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, I didn't nominate it, so you'd have to talk to the nominator about mentioning it on WP:Wales, not me. - The Bushranger One ping only 20:57, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

Ford Flivver
Just stumbled on this article, filled with mistakes, but was a unique look at Henry Ford's vision for a "Model T of the Air". The single-seat Ford Flivver was designed with Mr. Ford's instructions that it "fit inside his office". (The first prototypes had exactly a 15 ft wingspan, and you guessed it, that made the aircraft fit into his office.) FWiW Bzuk (talk) 16:01, 5 August 2012 (UTC).
 * Heh. I remember reading about that in the EAA magazine years ago! - The Bushranger One ping only 21:00, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

This AfD
Can an article be speedily deleted for being a hoax? It looks like this one above is a hoax now sadly from other contributor's replies. Frankly, I'm not surprised as the only source I found on this person said he was convicted for fraud. If not, I suppose, this AfD will go on for another 5-6 more days and no harm will be done. Kind Regards, --Artene50 (talk) 23:38, 6 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, hoax or not, once a consensus is determined following a relisting it can be closed promptly instead of running out a full additional week - so it's going, going, gone! There is a speedy criterion for hoaxes though - WP:G3. - The Bushranger One ping only 23:41, 6 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the reply. I know that a hoax tag can be removed but in this case, it became very clear that this was a hoax especially when there is a unique 3 word name such as 'Charles David Parent.' Best Regards, --Artene50 (talk) 23:51, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

Do you mind semi-protecting something?

 * Hello BR, due to the over-zealousness of numerous Philippine IPs' persistent addition of WP:HOAX-like material (including figures and texts) on the aforementioned article page, can you please semi-protect it for the next three months? Pending an actual official announcement or press release from the DND, the last thing we want here is for the mainstream media to misquote us for something that isn't an actual inked & signed contract/deal. TBH, I would rather WP be right than to be wrong. -- Dave ♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫® 17:08, 7 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I've protected for a month - the article hasn't been protected before, so hopefully the shorter amount of time will be sufficient for somethin concrete to come out! - The Bushranger One ping only 17:15, 7 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Highly unlikely, given Philippine's protracted procurement process of modern military hardware, them IP editors has this very bad habit of adding sythesized and/or made-up materials into them article pages. Nick-D can be our witness and quite frankly, we're all sick and tired of their patent nonsense at times. -- Dave ♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫® 17:19, 7 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Indeed. But the question is: it it better or worse than the Indo-China-Pakistan fanboy war? - The Bushranger One ping only 17:21, 7 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Indeed. But the question is: it it better or worse than the Indo-China-Pakistan fanboy war? - The Bushranger One ping only 17:21, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

Douglas World Cruiser merge proposal
This proposal has probably dragged on long enough. FWiW Bzuk (talk) 18:56, 7 August 2012 (UTC).
 * Agreed, but since I !voted there, I'm WP:INVOLVED as it were...perhaps you could ping Ed? - The Bushranger One ping only 18:57, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

WP:AFD/Hell's Kitchen (U.S. season 11)
I note that you closed Articles for deletion/Hell's Kitchen (U.S. season 11) as "redirect to Hell's Kitchen (U.S. season 11)". Perhaps you meant "redirect to Hell's Kitchen (U.S.)"? The redirect has been fixed, but you might care to edit your close comment. Cheers. --AussieLegend (talk) 04:45, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the catch! - The Bushranger One ping only 04:52, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

You decided to delete an article I produced at Articles for deletion/Paul Atherton (2nd nomination)
I wasn't aware this article had been tagged for deletion and not that au fait with wikipedia, I didn't have time to defend it. I'd be most grateful if you would give me the opportunity to do so. As I'm sure you're aware the article had been online for 5 years and had only been challenged once, unsuccessfully, when it first went up in 2007. It has since been edited by many wikipedia contributors for from & style and not been challenged until now.

Reading the comments I believe, in part the problem maybe with Google, many of the articles that made Paul notable at the time, 2007 have now since disappeared from Google searches (I did a quick search on Leonardo DiCaprio and his 1st page results were his Wikipedia page, IMDb, Twitter, Facebook etc. rather than full of 3rd party sources that would make him notable - but I'm sure we would all agree that he is?). Although much of what Paul appears in is either temporary (eg. BBC News) or not online (eg. E.g. Private Eye), he has continued to make numerous appearances on National Television & Radio at regular intervals to comment on issues he specialises in since.

It was my understanding that once notability was established (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:NTEMP#Notability_is_not_temporary) “If a subject has met the general notability guideline, there is no need to show continual coverage or interest in the topic”

Any guidance would be gratefully received.

Many thanks

Amanda Paul — Preceding unsigned comment added by Amanda Paul (talk • contribs) 11:10, 8 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Well, the main concern was that notability was not established in the first place, I believe. However, if you think that it can be established, I've restored the page to your userspace here, and you can work on it to address the issues raised, then submit it at deletion review for consideration for restoration once you're done. Good luck! - The Bushranger One ping only 17:19, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

Editor Niteshift36
Another editor has made a complaint{http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikiquette_assistance#Niteshift36_uncivil] against him. Several editors, including myself, think he violates WP:CIVIL. Heck, Niteshift36 in the thread admits to being snarky but he doesn't think that's a violation of CIVIL.(Don't make Snide remarks is clear in CIVIL and snark= snide remark) Is his behavior actionable and if so should it be brought to ANI? Please give your opinion, and I'll abide by it. Thanks....William 15:05, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
 * If he's being unrepentant about it and WQA isn't helping (although mind WP:FORUMSHOPPING if WQA's still open), then AN/I would be the likely option, yeah. Personally, though, what I'd do in this case is let it slide, but if he starts up/continues again, then raise it at AN/I. - The Bushranger One ping only 21:47, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
 * He's being totally unrepentant and as snide as ever over at WQA. He admits to being snarky here but doesn't think he is violating WP:CIVIL. Niteshift protects some articles in a way that discourages other editors from working on them. His edits are also uneven. That incident involving the Lee Sheriff County article he wouldn't permit in, but the article read like a PR release in part and had so for 4.5 years. I mentioned on the talk page whether the article should include it. Niteshift almost immediately deleted it. That info was up for a long time, and he had even edited it at least once. Suddenly after I bring it up, he calls it "promotional sounding material" and takes it down. Go figure. I'll let the WQA slide as you suggest and at the same time try avoiding Niteshift's turf. Not worth the trouble unless an article is really out of whack....William 00:49, 10 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Sometimes, alas, that really is the best thing to do. - The Bushranger One ping only 00:50, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

Hey friend
Only edit the page, and dont like that you put his because the song exist (search it on iTunes) and have had a little bit repercussion on Latin American charts ;) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Luisnh1210 (talk • contribs)
 * WP:ITEXISTS does not equal notability, and either way the AfD template must remain on the page while the discussion is active. If the charting meets WP:NMUSIC, then it'll be kept, but the discussion has to run out. - The Bushranger One ping only 23:26, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Tim George
— Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:03, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

User talk:Princesalman
You may want to take a look at the history on his talk page. I just reverted his re-introduction to his talkpage of the article you blocked him for, and at the same time, he removed the block notice. Just my two cents, but you may want to consider revoking his talkpage editing ability. Regards, GregJackP   Boomer!   22:46, 10 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Sigh! I'd say give him one more chance, and then... - The Bushranger One ping only 22:47, 10 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Of course, given this...time for a CU methinx. - The Bushranger One ping only 22:50, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Conroy Virtus
Orlady (talk) 08:03, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

Deletion review for User:Amanda Paul/Paul Atherton
An editor has asked for a deletion review of User:Amanda Paul/Paul Atherton. Because you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedily deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review. Amanda Paul (talk) 10:34, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

Sumatra PDF
Could impose upon you to have a look at semi-protecting this article, as it has been recently subjected to multiple IP vandalism, all from Iranian IP addresses. Thank you for considering it. - Ahunt (talk) 12:24, 11 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Protected for three days. - The Bushranger One ping only 16:15, 11 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you! - Ahunt (talk) 16:42, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

I unarchived Peter Damian appeal
The ban was imposed by the community, although he was under arbcom sanction at the time. The community has the power to undo its own actions etc. Georgewilliamherbert (talk) 18:20, 11 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Alrighty. - The Bushranger One ping only 18:20, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

He's back
I think there's a duck quacking. Check this out and this. If it's another sock of our friend, he's managed to hide this one from us for a while....William 23:01, 11 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Hmmm, I'm not sure about this one. Worth a look though certainly. - The Bushranger One ping only 23:07, 11 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes the spelling is better than most of Ryan's work but his other edits raise suspicions. See what the check user says, if it's not Ryan, then I'll AFD it. One way or another SAS Flight 910 is a dead duck. Very non notable....William 23:12, 11 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I decided not to wait, and start the AFD....William 23:23, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

Apology
As a formal acknowledgment from one gentleman to another, I apologize for deceiving you. As I have just recently revealed, I am User: Shakinglord. I also apologize for any disruption or grief this may cause you. Good day, Bushranger. I wish you luck with your future endeavors. Robby The Penguin  (talk)   (contribs)  02:05, 12 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Suprise, his ban has been upheld. That was entertaining for a few hours last night! How about a new realtiy show: WP's Next Banned User! I'd watch it, and I hate reality shows. :) - BilCat (talk) 00:00, 13 August 2012 (UTC)


 * You'd think people would understand the WP:STANDARDOFFER, wouldn't you? - The Bushranger One ping only 00:00, 13 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Adult people, yes; 15-year-old people - not so much! - BilCat (talk) 00:17, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

TCM again??!!
I found Night Flight on TCM this week, on the first-time broadcast of a long-lost all-star epic. Despite heavy-hitters John and Lionel Barrymore, Helen Hayes, Clark Gable, Robert Montgomery, and Myrna Loy, Night Flight (1933) has been out of circulation for nearly 70 years. MGM withdrew it in 1942 when the company's rights to the Antoine de Saint-Exupéry (The Little Prince) story expired. It was finally shown again earlier in 2011 at the TCM Classic Film Festival in Hollywood, and now released to DVD in 2012 and television on August 10, 2012. FWiW Bzuk (talk) 15:45, 12 August 2012 (UTC).
 * Most intriguing stuff! - The Bushranger One ping only 20:51, 12 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Great job of filling in details; I added a separate note to readers about the origin of Antoine de Saint Exupéry's work and his death in 1944. FWiW Bzuk (talk) 21:58, 12 August 2012 (UTC).

Types of cities by geographical region
hi. where is my article that you delet ? .... i want to try to edit him again please. if you can please put this in my Sandbox - Thank you. also maybe need to change the name of this article. פארוק (talk) 17:56, 12 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I restored the article to your userspace here. Please note that one of the reasons it was deleted was because of WP:OR and WP:NOTESSAY, so if you wish to improve it to article status please ensure it does not fall foul of those standards. - The Bushranger One ping only 20:49, 12 August 2012 (UTC)
 * i am realy disappointed that you deleted this becouse i want to continue write this. can you please restored the Talk page please ?. פארוק (talk) 21:32, 12 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Please see the AfD discussion for the reasons the article was deleted. - The Bushranger One ping only 21:34, 12 August 2012 (UTC)
 * ok. thank you. פארוק (talk) 21:47, 12 August 2012 (UTC)
 * No problem! - The Bushranger One ping only 21:48, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

Can you please page protect Rory McIlroy?
The IPS are changing the page. It's going to get worse after he wins....William 22:28, 12 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Ouch. Protected for 12 hours (which should give him time to win the tournament I suppose!). - The Bushranger One ping only 22:32, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

Two Dawn Patrols??
The original The Dawn Patrol (1930) seems to have been "lost" under its renamed Flight Commander moniker. The interesting thing is not that there was a classic 1938 remake with Errol Flynn and David Niven, but that the Darryl F. Zanuck feature was the subject of a lawsuit by Howard Hughes who claimed that the film ripped off his Hell's Angels which was in production at the same time. Hughes was sure that Zanuck was creating a hackneyed and "cheap" film, decided to buy up the rights to every available World War I-era aircraft in Southern California, forcing the Warner Bros. production to resort to odd-looking and inaccurate aircraft. Zanuck came up with a clever ruse to defeat Hughes' machinations, he rushed his film into post-production and had it out before the Hughes film. Then at the trial that followed, both films were screened consecutively in the courtroom, scene-for-scene, to prove that the films were dissimilar. Hughes and Zanuck apparently continued the feud out of court and settled it on the golf course, where Zanuck won the round and a reprieve from the next threatened lawsuit. The Dawn Patrol went on to become an instant smash while Hell's Angels was the more significant film and became an iconic example of the genre, but never recouped its enormous production costs (for one thing, it had started out as a silent and was laboriously reshot as a "talkie" but also featured deadly midair crashes and even Hughes taking a disastrous turn as stunt pilot, rolling himself and his aircraft into a ball). FWiW Bzuk (talk) 15:02, 13 August 2012 (UTC).
 * Huh. Fascinating! - The Bushranger One ping only 16:03, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

correction
WRT to this recent comment -- I dispute I accused you, or any other participant in that discussion of bad faith. I make an effort to never accuse others of bad faith, as I believe that is bad for the project. I don't believe you will find more than a very small handful of lapses from this commitment in my entire contribution history.

To assert that I think you, or other contributors, are mistaken, is not an accusation of bad faith. I think after a moment's reflection, you will agree that believing other are mistaken is not the same as a suggestion they are showing bad faith. Various wikidocuments make this point. Geo Swan (talk) 02:18, 14 August 2012 (UTC)
 * The way that you phrase your comments, and the repeated insistience that others are mistaken, gives the impression that you are implying bad faith on the part of others, even if that is not your intent. - The Bushranger One ping only 02:19, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

Autoblock lifted
HIi Bushranger. I've lifted the autoblock on Modern Warfare Dude so that Jayemd can get back to editing, and given him some more advice. Feel free top revert if you don't  approve. Regards, Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 06:59, 14 August 2012 (UTC)
 * No problem - I assumed the autoblock had already been lifted. Hopefully he'll take the advice...this time. - The Bushranger One ping only 07:18, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Brett Moffitt
Casliber (talk · contribs) 08:03, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

EC
I edit conflicted you on the close of the Goatse thread--just as well, my thread closing joke may not have been appropriate (some variation of "no longer open"). Mark Arsten (talk) 03:11, 16 August 2012 (UTC)
 * The punssss, then burnssss usssss... - The Bushranger One ping only 03:12, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

Paige Clark
The G11 deletion of Paige Clark was overturned at deletion review. Since this was the basis for your closing of the AfD on the article, I re-opened the AfD. If I made a mistake, please let me know - I'm not trying to offend or do things the wrong way, just trying to do things the right way. Regards, GregJackP   Boomer!   12:41, 16 August 2012 (UTC)
 * No worries, I was just closing it as somebody else had G11'd it. Thanks for the note. - The Bushranger One ping only 18:45, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

Those darn underscores
Hi Bushranger :) I noticed you removed the underscores from a few new AfD's I created. Thanks for doing that. I've been experimenting with this new project and it looks like it's a fan of the underscores. Which is rather annoying, I agree! SarahStierch (talk) 16:09, 16 August 2012 (UTC)
 * They're Ancient Eeeeeeeevil from the Dawn of Time! Glad to help out! - The Bushranger One ping only 18:47, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

Kalappurackal
Hello, you may remember this article as being flooded with excessively large and irrelevant content. The user appears to have started a third account, Shijo jose kalappurackal. Although this user seems to have changed their behaviour and started using their sandbox (rather than articles) for test edits, they continued adding irrelevant content (however now sourced) as shown by this recent edit. The edit has since been removed by User:Sarahj2107 as a copyvio with the URL links added at the article's talk page. I simply wanted to notify that the user has returned. Additionally, the article was quiet since your protection aside from this advert-like content submitted at the article's talk page which I subsequently removed. I honestly believe this user has the best intentions but they simply need to familiarise themselves with the guidelines. I wouldn't know if you would want to block them so soon despite that they have slightly changed their behaviour. Cheers! SwisterTwister  talk  01:45, 17 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the note. Since they were blocked (twice) before, this is block evasion, so I reckon it's off to SPI again... - The Bushranger One ping only 02:08, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

Soviet space program(me)s
Hi Bushranger. Again, I admire your attempt to standardize spelling of program/programme in Soviet space articles. If you want to run with the suggested argument that American English is more appropriate and request moves accordingly, do let me know. Thanks, BDD (talk) 18:48, 17 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the note, I'll ponder it for a bit. :) - 19:31, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

You are entitled to know
I think, by longstanding convention, we are all supposed to tell other contributors when they are mentioned, by name, in a discussion.

You were recently discussed, in Deletion review/Log/2012 August 17.

I honestly don't remember placing the db-g7. As I explained in the DRV, the sheer number of afd has me rattled. But I do trust that the deletion was authorized by a speedy tag I just don't remember placing.

Someone in the DRV said you deserved the assumption of good faith in this, and I concur. Geo Swan (talk) 22:35, 17 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the note. - The Bushranger One ping only 22:48, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

Requesting legitimate reasons for the deletion of 2 football articles?
Yes hello editor and fellow wiki-user,

I had recently created two football articles for players based in the United States and Liechtenstein, but both articles have been deleted. I'd like to have legitimate reasons as to why these articles were targeted, had requests to be deleted at the same time, and then were deleted without conversation?

The only reason that I have been given so far was a concern that I read, which was not a concern at all as far as I am concerned, and was as follows: " concern was: Article about a footballer who fails WP:GNG and who has not played in fully pro league.)". I understand the second part of this 'statement' as there is truth to the fact that both of these players are not paid professionals currently, however, to just make a statement saying "Article about a footballer who fails" is not only poorly written but it's also quite flippant.

I happen to have a working relationship with the football club 'Orange County Blue Star' that the player 'David Ponce' plays for, and if you read the Orange County Blue Star article you'll see that he has been mentioned in the clubs history and is also on their current roster. The club plays in the United States soccer league system for the 'USL Premier Development League', where the Blue Star are a highly regarded club. The team has had many players, both past and present, that have started their careers at this club and have made names for themselves. I believe that since David Ponce has been mentioned in that particular article with such highly regarded players, that he also deserves to have his own article as well.

The other player, 'Diego Haas', of Liechtenstein, has also been deleted. When I created the article of Diego, it was around the time that he was still eligible to play for the 'Liechtenstein national under-21 football team', and he had several caps for this team at that particular time. At one time in his football career, he was regarded as one of the best youth players in the country and he had played for the club 'FC Vaduz' as well as 'FC Balzers' and he is now currently playing for 'FC Triesen'. All of these teams are Liechtensteiner football clubs and are part of the seven official teams in the nation. In his career so far, he has played for three of the seven clubs in the country and he has only recently turned 24 years of age. Furthermore, all of these clubs play in Swiss Football League and compete in the Liechtenstein Cup annually, which means that the clubs and the player himself have significance. He is also on the FC Triesen roster on the website that they have and the wikipedia article as well.

The player David Ponce is still currently at University, but in 2013 he will most likely be playing professional football. I know this privileged information because I am involved with the club, however, further information regarding that matter will not be discussed further because it is privileged information as I said.

Can both of these articles please be allowed to be reinstated? I feel like both were misjudged. I put a lot of work into writing those articles and had put in my best efforts to make them look excellent for this website. I would like to add that there are far worse articles that I have read on wikipedia, not only about football, but other matters in the world as well.

A swift reply would be greatly appreciated, thank youPatrick.shea9 (talk) 06:15, 18 August 2012 (UTC)


 * First of all, the "fails" statement isn't flippant - it means they do not pass (fail) the general notability guideline. In addition, they don't pass WP:NFOOTY - the alternative to the GNG that says in order to have an article on Wikipedia, a footballer must have played in a fully professional league. Being "most likely to play professional football with the club" doesn't pass muster as Wikipedia is not a crystal ball. Now, as for why these particular articles were deleted, there is the Proposed Deletion system, in which an article is tagged and, if no objections are raised over the course of a week, they are deleted. The articles were tagged, a week passed without objection, and, therefore, they will be deleted. From your comments, you observed that the articles were tagged for deletion (the "not a concern at all" statement), and did not remove the prod tag (which is permitted if you object), therefore you de facto agreed that they should be deleted.


 * As for your comments regarding "there are far worse articles" and "since David Ponce has been mentioned in that particular article with such highly regarded players, that he also deserves to have his own article as well", the fact that WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS does not mean an article should exist. (Also please note that you appear to have a conflict of interest with regards to working for the club, so please mind the guideline there in your editing.)


 * Now, that said, I'd be happy to restore the articles, however I must caution you that if the articles are restored to articlespace, they're almost certain to be nominated for deletion, and it's virtually certain that neither of them would survive an AfD nomination. As an alternative, I can restore the articles to your own userspace as "sandbox"/draft pages, which, upon the players reaching the level at which they pass the GNG and/or NFOOTY standards, they can be moved back to articlespace then. So I can do that, as an alternative, if you'd like. (Note that if you'd prefer they be restored to articlespace, that's alright, but they're very likely to be more conclusively deleted if that's your choice.) - The Bushranger One ping only 06:43, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

Sputnik
Hello! You changed your opinion if Articles for deletion/Sputnik (web browser) from merge to keep. Could you please return to this discussion and leave some explanation? — Dmitrij D. Czarkoff (talk) 10:34, 18 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Tweaked a little. It's more a "gut feeling" than anything else - very weak, yes, but it's the best I can do... - The Bushranger One ping only 22:52, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

FYI
FYI-- D Big X ray  12:51, 18 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks. - The Bushranger One ping only 22:50, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

Re: AN/I notice...
Thanks for the heads up. Sir Sputnik (talk) 14:52, 18 August 2012 (UTC)
 * No prob. - The Bushranger One ping only 22:50, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

List of airlines of India
A mini-edit war is breaking out. One editor wants to keep putting in material which only he supports and four editors(me included) don't believe should be put in the article. Check the article's talk page section titled Market share, and his talk page. I'm stepping away from this until you weigh in on the matter....William 20:13, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

FYI, the editor brought it to ANI....William 20:27, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

He reverted the article again. I reported it to the 3RR board but left the last edit alone....William 22:18, 18 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Replied at AN/I. - The Bushranger One ping only 23:09, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

The Bride Came C.O.D.
As an antidote to all the cr*p you have to deal with, here is a little delightful, aviation-themed, romantic comedy with the unlikely pairing of James Cagney and Bette Davis. The fun is finding out that Davis actually took a tumble into a cactus and had 45 quills unceremoniously pulled out of her behind. The director left the inadvertent event in the final film. FWiW, check out the changes made in the original (very teeny) article. Bzuk (talk) 20:42, 18 August 2012 (UTC).
 * Quite the refresher! - The Bushranger One ping only 23:10, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

Question from Beaconmike
Hi Bushranger, this user has left you a question here about your copyvio notice and may need more specifics. Cheers, — Berean Hunter   (talk)  13:36, 19 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks - I've replied there. - The Bushranger One ping only 20:17, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

Serial reverter at List of Hawaii Five-0 episodes
Bushranger, you seem like a pragmatic guy. We've got an IP serial reverter (User:97.86.27.5 ) who refuses to discuss or provide an edit summary for an edit. He/she has made eight reverts in the past 48 hours, and refuses to respond to any of the multitude of warnings on his/her talk page (including three final warnings, the most recent of which I just posted.) Would you take a peek at the article and the editor, and see what can be done to at least slow them down and get their attention? The 3RR noticeboard would handle Hawaii Five-0 issue, but there's a larger issue with disruptive editing and serial reverting, which may also be going on at List of Mentalist episodes that needs more careful attention. Your help would be appreciated. Thank you! (Love the Hunt for Red October wink in your signature.) --Drmargi (talk) 20:15, 19 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I've semi-protected both episode lists for a week - that should get the IP editor discussing the changes he thinks should be made on the talk pages, instead of edit-warring without talking. If he starts back up after a week blocking might be in order as it appears to be a semi-static IP. (And thanks!) - The Bushranger One ping only 20:24, 19 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the speeeeedy action! I'm curious, and I'm not challenging your decision: why, with all those warnings and eight reverts in under 48 hours, did you not block now?  It seems like the IP is way overdue, and their edit warring is expanding.  --Drmargi (talk) 20:28, 19 August 2012 (UTC)
 * In general, a block for 3RR would be handed down; had it been a registered user, he'd be blocked for sure. In this case, though, I decided that either extending good faith or some WP:ROPE (or both!) would be in order, giving the user a chance to discuss before swinging Mjölnir around - suddenly being unable to edit on their favorite "targets" might well be enough to get their attention, and it might help increase their WP:CLUE level instead of frustration at being blocked. That said, if they extend their EW-ing to other pages it'll be hammertime. - The Bushranger One ping only 20:32, 19 August 2012 (UTC)
 * That makes sense. I'm just coming off two sessions with IPs that included a day of being harassed by one, so I'm a touch down on the whole IP editor thing at the moment.  Generally, and particularly at times like this, it's helpful to understand the how's and why's of administrative action.  I'll keep an eye on our little friend, and holler if they don't settle down.  Grazie! --Drmargi (talk) 20:41, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

The result of the discussion was: "result"
In this closing I'm pretty sure the word you were looking for is merge. :-) I'd change it myself but it's probably bad form. Pichpich (talk) 01:48, 20 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Gah, I hate it when I do that. Thanks for the catch! - The Bushranger One ping only 01:50, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

Annenberg Foundation
I reverted your placement of the article Annenberg Foundation in Category:Television series by Annenberg Foundation, which is a set, not topic, category and, thus, should contain only articles about television series. I've added a link to the article at the category page. (Please reply here, as I'm watching the page.) Best, -- Black Falcon (talk) 21:32, 19 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Ah, thanks. I reckon catmain might be better - there's a lot of other cases in the categories in that tree where that should be changed... - The Bushranger One ping only 21:33, 19 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't know, really... I've not come across any clear instructions on when one should be used as opposed to the other, so I've always used Cat main for the head article of an eponymous topic category and Cat more in all other cases. -- Black Falcon (talk) 18:52, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

Yaniv256
Hi. At User talk:Yaniv256, Yaniv256 has made a commitment to not repeat the behaviour that got him blocked. In the light of that, would you agree to an unblock? -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 08:57, 20 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't object to your unblocking if you believe he's honestly willing to operate within policy. - The Bushranger One ping only 09:12, 20 August 2012 (UTC)
 * OK, thanks - I might be gullible, but another block is cheap if it doesn't work out ;-) -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 09:15, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Hideo Fukuyama
Graeme Bartlett (talk) 16:03, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

Duplicate articles
Both are on a plane crash in the Sudan. 2012 Sudan helicopter crash and 2012 Sudan helicopter crash. The latter is a stub, so I'd suggest dumping that one. Also the crash didn't involve a helicopter but a Antonov An-24, so the first article is in need of a title fix. It's bedtime here for me, but I know you edit later. Also would the crash go on the commercial air crash list? This reads like a government plane crash. Can you make the appropriate fixes so far as the duplicate articles and the wrong name go? Thanks....William 02:07, 20 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Hmm, maybe it's just lack of sleep, but those are the same article? ANd the references do say helicopter, or am I missing something? {{P|8)) - The Bushranger {{sub| One ping only }} 05:54, 20 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Sorry about the double links. I was in a hurry before going to bed. There is some conflict whether the aircraft was a helicopter or not. News sources say Antonov and YSSYguy points out Antonovs were never helicopters.


 * I see Ryan is back. It had been about a month since his last appearance. Until this resurfacing I had wondered if took some advice expressed on your talk page. That Ryan stop editing(socking) for an extended time then ask to be unbanned. What he is doing now is a waste and Ryan could be a honest to goodness good contributor if he'd just change his ways. Maybe he will read this and take my advice of a break of 12-18 months. ...William 15:00, 20 August 2012 (UTC)
 * No worries, been there and done that. And 100% agreed about Ryan - he does good work, his spelling and grammar aside, it's just...well, yeah. He needs to take the WP:STANDARDOFFER. - The Bushranger {{sub| One ping only }} 23:25, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

Forgot the processing itself?
Hello Bushranger.

A couple of days ago, I nominated Category:Nauru politics and government template for a name change. Yesterday night (my time), you removed the nomination with this edit, but didn't process the request itself. I guess it was a simple mistake, as you added a comment in another place, and then you simply forgot the rest. Right?

Cheers.

HandsomeFella (talk) 07:11, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Actually, no; it's just that the bots that process category moves are currently down at the moment. It's in the processing queue for when one or both of them come back up. - The Bushranger One ping only 07:12, 21 August 2012 (UTC)


 * OK, thanks for the response. I realize now that the processing of requests must be automated, as heavily populated categories would be hard to fix otherwise.
 * Cheers.
 * HandsomeFella (talk) 07:17, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

The thread got archived
Thanks for responding and relisting. I wasn't sure what were I supposed to do there and then closed. I shall take care of it next time. Thanks!  TheSpecialUser TSU 08:33, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

"Lost" Humphrey Bogart film
China Clipper is an unusual "à clef" portrayal of Juan Trippe and the start of Pan American World Airways, one of the world's most prominent airlines of the 20th century. Pan Am is long gone but its origins, flying the gorgeous "China Clipper" flying boats is showcased, with Humphrey Bogart showing up in a secondary role as a pilot on a maiden transpacific flight. FWiW (Check it out, I rewrote the whole article from its original stub state.) Bzuk (talk) 14:08, 21 August 2012 (UTC).
 * Fascinating. Love those old flying boats! - The Bushranger One ping only 17:24, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Night Flight (1933 film)
— Crisco 1492 (talk) 16:02, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

Userfy request
Post Articles_for_deletion/C._Ariel_Wulff I'm requesting userfication of the deleted article C._Ariel_Wulff and talk page (if any) under either the article creator's User page, or mine. Thanks. --Lexein (talk) 06:48, 22 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I've userified the page here. I did not transfer the talk page, as it contained no content other than WikiProject tags. Good luck! - The Bushranger One ping only 06:52, 22 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Sources may yet materialize. I came to this through IRC, where the creator was asking about options.  I see now that the article was nominated by SPA account Special:Contributions/Topher_Mackenzie  whose sole purpose was the eradication of the article. I hope I have not exceeded your one-ping-only rule  !--Lexein (talk) 07:05, 22 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Hmm, that smells of sock...best to keep an eye on it if and when the article goes back live, I reckon. - The Bushranger One ping only 07:41, 22 August 2012 (UTC)
 * So, nothing to do at SPI right now? I'm tempted to report, just to establish a baseline. I suspect all deletion-related SPAs. --Lexein (talk) 08:25, 22 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Probably not - it smells, but no obvious master, and as they say . - The Bushranger One ping only 10:13, 22 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Cool (moves finger off SPI enter key). --Lexein (talk) 22:53, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

User: 15 YEAR HACKER
Hello Bushranger. I found this guy named 15 YEAR HACKER. His username looks suspicious. Should he be blocked or not? --Jayemd (talk) 18:31, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Probably not - there's a lot of folks who (not entirely without justification) consider the use of 'hacker' in the negative sense perjorative ("cracker" being the term they use for the black hats). I don't think the username policy is violated here, but thanks for keeping an eye out! - The Bushranger One ping only 18:35, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

User:Bananas Monkey page moves
has moved a page here that s/he feels is noncontroversial. It may very well be uncontroversial but IMO it's unfortunate s/he hasn't demonstrated good faith by engaging in consensus building either for this move or other moves. S/he asked about noncontroversial moves in response to your last warning. Joja lozzo  05:07, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Ah. I've replied there and moved the page back - since I hadn't replied I'll let this one slide, but... - The Bushranger One ping only 05:10, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

Userfy Request
I'm requesting userfication for a recently deleted page on Rick Page, speaker & author. I've cleaned up the content to make it more inline with Wiki standards and would like the opportunity to resubmit the page, if possible. Thanks! Cmbrown000 (talk) 14:10, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I've userified the page to User:Cmbrown000/Rick Page. Good luck! - The Bushranger One ping only 14:47, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

In other media
Hi, I should point out that I expanded my nom at CFD Aug 24 after you commented on it. – Fayenatic  L ondon 18:12, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks - the X of Y media formats look a lot better tha the Y X format to my eye. - The Bushranger One ping only 02:16, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * Thanks! - The Bushranger One ping only 04:02, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

Block for IP 66.110.251.145 per WP:Child protection
Hi Bushranger! Could you please consider indefing 66.110.251.145 immediately as his comments are a violation of Child protection and per that policy, "should not be the subject of community discussions or requests for comment or consensus." According to that policy this should go to WP:ARBCOM but I don't see the point for an IP. This should be actioned ASAP as it is one of the legal policies. 203.27.72.5 (talk) 06:03, 25 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Done. - The Bushranger One ping only 06:10, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

1907 Birmingham Tramway accident
You recently nominated 1907 Birmingham Tramway accident for speedy deletion as G5. Please note that that criterion is for articles "with no substantial edits by others"; in that case, I had made significant edits to the article. Please check, before using G5. Thank you. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 08:07, 25 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I checked; as your edits were copyediting, I was not sure if they counted as "substantial". So I tagged it and allowed another admin to make the call. - The Bushranger One ping only 08:11, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

Category:Non-indigenous fish species in Ukraine
Dear Friend! My name is Yuriy Kvach. I have created the Category:Non-indigenous fish species in Ukraine which was moved to Category:Introduced freshwater fish of Ukraine by you. I was buisy and did not take a part in the discussion about the category name changing. But I disagree with the new name. The category consists of not only freshwater fishes (you can check it!)m but also marine and brackishwater species. So, it should be better to change the name to Category:Introduced fish of Ukraine. What do you thing about it? Thank You! Sincerely Yours. --Ykvach (talk) 15:11, 20 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Hmm, how does this sound: have Category:Introduced fish of Ukraine directly under Category:Introduced fish species, and have Category:Introduced freshwater fish of Ukraine and Category:Introduced saltwater fish of Ukraine as subcategories of it? That way the freshwater category can remain in the existing tree, and the salt/brackish fish can be in their own category as well. - The Bushranger One ping only 23:23, 20 August 2012 (UTC)
 * I would make the Category:Introduced fish of Ukraine directly under Category:Introduced fish species. I donot think the Category:Introduced freshwater fish of Ukraine and Category:Introduced saltwater fish of Ukraine are necessary. One category for all introduced fishes in Ukraine is enough. At this time the Category:Introduced freshwater fish of Ukraine consists of the Pennant coralfish (marine species), Chameleon goby (euryhaline species, can be found in the salt water, brackish water, and freshwater!), Haarder (brackishwater / marine), Bath's goby (brackishwater). In all cases it is not correct to put them to this category. The previous title of the category (Category:Non-indigenous fish species in Ukraine) was correct, but I agree that the title was against the standards. So, my idea to change the title to Category:Introduced fish of Ukraine under Category:Introduced fish species. What is your idea? Yours --Ykvach (talk) 08:58, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
 * The trouble is that the established category tree is at Category:Introduced freshwater fish by country - and it currently has 19 species in the Ukraine. I think it'd be best if there were seperate fresh and salt (=salt/brackish) categories. - The Bushranger One ping only 21:58, 22 August 2012 (UTC)
 * So, we need to create a new Category:Introduced saltwater fish of Ukraine, am I wright? But under what category? --Ykvach (talk) 14:01, 24 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Once a few more categories come up, 'Introduced saltwater fish by country' can be added. - The Bushranger One ping only 17:41, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

AfD: Inkey Jones
Hi Bushranger. How mush longer will the deletion debate for Inkey Jones need to go on for? I see 6 deletes and 1 keep so far. Most of the article still does not have any substantial references, apart from an interview and the self-published source. Also, how can I request an WP:SPI or have someone confirm whether Sj838 (the article creator) and Popetman (who is resisting changes to the article) have the same IP address? Petergionis (talk) 15:28, 25 August 2012 (UTC)
 * If it was up to me, I'd let the AfD run a bit longer in hopes of an firmer consensus, but another admin might consider it ready to close now. As for SPI, you can go to WP:SPI and, in the 'Investigation (case) to create or re-open:' box, replace 'SOCKMASTER' with the account name of the master account, click 'open investigation', then fill out the form that comes up. - The Bushranger One ping only 17:40, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

WP:NASCAR Newsletter (August 2012)

 * EdwardsBot (talk) 01:51, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

ANI question
I'm posting here instead of ANI because you were the last admin to comment there, and I don't know if this is a big deal or not. When I followed a link on ANI, I was surprised by the frankness of the post, so my question is: Is the link to an OWS blog in this edit overstepping the bounds of privacy? I guess it fall under WP:OUTING? I don't know, it just appears as if it is too much overly personal info about the guy. I'll leave it to you; if it is no big deal then let it be, but if it is an unnecessary link then please handle it appropriately. Regards. (Dynamic IP, will change when I log off.) --64.85.216.149 (talk) 12:48, 26 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, if he presented it there under the same username he uses on Wikipeida, then it's not outing - whether it's appropriate or not, I dunno, but if you put your personal information on the Internet... - The Bushranger One ping only 00:49, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

Duck
User:Aerocrash96 has created White House plane crash, had stolan a, aicraft, plane whet down, after an trying, deaths or injurers, looking for a second opinion on a block. MilborneOne (talk) 13:15, 26 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Wow... WP:GIANTDUCK~!!! -- Dave ♠♣♥♦™№1185©♪♫® 13:32, 26 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Orange sauce everywhere. - The Bushranger One ping only 00:44, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for arranging the barbeque. MilborneOne (talk) 10:02, 27 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Should Frank Eugene Corder be moved to the incident title and retooled as an accident article? It seems he is only notable for this incident, which fails WPBIO, I think. - BilCat (talk) 10:18, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

DYK for MT explosive motorboat
Orlady (talk) 00:04, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

WP:CIRCULAR
Advice needed.

Star Trek DS9 episodes article contain a link like this[ to in the references section. First of all, it is link to another WP article which seems like a clear cut version, secondly all the linked to article is is a list of DS9 and links to them. There is not one scintilla of information on the page that can be considered a source for these episode articles. One editor defends it via WP:SELFPUB and WP:PSTS.

I've been pulling out these links, but somebody keeps insisting on putting them in again. What's your advice? Yes and its been discussed....William 01:11, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
 * You are allowed to reference TV episodes and films to the DVD case/the film or show itself, for facts only - not for notability. But "references" to Wikipedia are never, ever allowed as Wikipedia is not a reliable source. - The Bushranger One ping only 01:17, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Then the references using that article are wrong and not allowed? If they're allowed, then how?...William 01:24, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
 * No, in that case the reference is correct, as far as it goes - however it's wrongly formatted. It should be to the episode itself, not to the box set (unless, of course, it's quoting the back of the box), and it should not have the Wikipedia internal link. (Also it's assumed the plot is referenced to the work itself, so no references are cited in plot summaries anyway...) - The Bushranger One ping only 01:34, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

Space programs
Hi, thanks for nominating the rest of category:Space programs for renaming after I started that little project. – Fayenatic  L ondon 10:48, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
 * No problem! - The Bushranger One ping only 12:58, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

Feedback requested at the Village Pump
Hi Bushranger. I have a proposal at the village pump about introducing a color scheme to the text editor so it is easier for newer editors to differentiate between different kinds of syntax, particularly references. I'd welcome your feedback at the village pump whenever you have some time. I, Jethrobot drop me a line (note: not a bot!) 04:09, 28 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I'll take a look when I get a chance, assuming the rain doesn't kill the power... - The Bushranger One ping only 04:48, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

Is Ryan back again
Check out 1956 Scottish Airlines Stansted crash and Air Jordan Flight 601. I'm not sure, so I will let you take a look....William 23:34, 28 August 2012 (UTC)
 * "when an Avro York registration G-AMUL with 29 passengers and five crew on board." And we have a winner. - The Bushranger One ping only 23:37, 28 August 2012 (UTC)


 * I don't think User:Slinger9 is him though. YSSYguy (talk) 01:45, 29 August 2012 (UTC)


 * I thought that was odd, too. But it does fit a Ryansock name (note User:Xman9) and the CU said yes, so... I wouldn't object to anyone unblocking if they think it's conclusive he's not him though. - The Bushranger One ping only 01:47, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

Coord?
Hey Bushranger, are you going to run this time around? (If not, given a complete explanation in the following box: ¤) - Dank (push to talk) 22:25, 28 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Hm - oh, the MilHist Coordinator? Probably not - my muse comes and goes, mostly goes lately. RL is harrisome. - The Bushranger One ping only 22:32, 28 August 2012 (UTC)
 * D'oh. - Dank (push to talk) 22:36, 28 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for thinking of me though - maybe I'll be up for it next time around. - The Bushranger One ping only 22:38, 28 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, we'll have lots of special projects over the coming year, I hope you'll stay involved. - Dank (push to talk) 23:05, 28 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Erm. Not a good enough excuse. Throw your name in the cauldron, Harry. ;-) Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 06:56, 30 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Expectus notenoughtimus! But if there isn't too much workload to be done (RL has sapped my editing mojo, and what I have is taken up largly with NASCAR at the moment), maybe... - The Bushranger One ping only 06:58, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

Rasmussen Reports
Bushranger, I'm sorry to bother you but I seem to be lost and confused in an administrative spiral. In this thread you said that my query should have been raised in WP:DRN rather than in WP:AN/I. I don't quite understand this and I'm hoping for some explanation. Aside from the fact that an admin at the Help Desk suggested (see here) that I raise the issue "at somewhere like WP:AN," it seems to me that WP:DRN isn't the right place. I don't have any experience with that page but it says it's for resolving content disputes and is run by non-admin volunteers. I'm not seeking to resolve a content dispute; I'm simply seeking to have an administrative decision (the closing of a discussion) reversed so that the underlying discussion can run its course. I would suspect that the good folks at WP:DRN would just say sorry, we can't help you and point me somewhere else. --Nstrauss (talk) 07:13, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, they sugggested WP:AN - which isn't WP:ANI. The reason for my comment was that it seemed to me that as this was a dispute - over the closing - DRN would be the appropriate place, and if DRN said "sorry" then you take it to ANI. That is at least the steps I would take in that position - dotting all the I's and crossing all the T's gives you a stronger case if you have to take it to the 'supreme court', as it were. - The Bushranger One ping only 07:18, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Ok, thanks for the explanation. I'll follow your advice. --Nstrauss (talk) 06:52, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

Sputnik AfD
In Articles for deletion/Sputnik (web browser) discussion you switched your !vote to "keep", but didn't state your rationale. Could you please revise your comment and explain your motivation, as it doesn't seem obvious otherwise. — Dmitrij D. Czarkoff (talk) 15:25, 30 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Tweaked my comment there. - The Bushranger One ping only 23:52, 30 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks! — Dmitrij D. Czarkoff (talk) 00:09, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

Mziboy?
Could you take a look at this? Newly created account makes its first edit at the Ken Sibanda AfD. Looks very ducky to me. Beyond My Ken (talk) 00:17, 31 August 2012 (UTC)
 * . I sent it to SPI to be sure. - The Bushranger One ping only 00:27, 31 August 2012 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I didn't realize you had done this, and after KingArthur branched out to Black science fiction, restoring Ken Sibanda's name there, I opened an ANI] on it. Sorry to usurp you, it was unintentional. Beyond My Ken (talk) 00:50, 31 August 2012 (UTC)
 * No worries! The quacking's getting even louder. - The Bushranger One ping only 00:51, 31 August 2012 (UTC)