Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Yorkshire/Archive 6

Skeeby
Hey guys, just thought you'd wanna gloss over my spruced up Skeeby article, inspired by User:Rimmer1993 and his excellent work on villages around North Yorks. I've never ever been one for citing references and expanding on stubs, so go easy on a relative newcomer to actually making proper articles (I know, how long have I been around? ^_^) I'd love to get loads of villages looking like this, it may seem like an arduous task but you actually learn a little something about the place and it can be quite interesting, I'm only 2 miles west of Skeeby and I learnt some stuff, go me! :D Cacolantern 19:35, 12 June 2013 (UTC)

Incubator discussion regarding William "Billy" Smith, closeout date of July 30
There is a discussion at Wikipedia talk:Article Incubator/William "Billy" Smith regarding a 1940s rubgy player. Unscintillating (talk) 22:31, 20 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I looked at this, and what we have is credible WP:OR. The article went to AfD, and they found one reference with the last name, then decided to send it to the incubator for a while.  This has now been sitting in the incubator for too long, and the article is scheduled to go to MfD on July 30 if it is not improved.  According to the WP:OR, the player was born in St. Helens in 1906, and played for six years for St. Helens.  He then played for five years at Bradford Northern, and went on to coach there.  This should be straightforward to research for someone in St. Helens or Bradford.  Unscintillating (talk) 23:28, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

Above copied here in case anyone from Bradford area or with knowledge about Bradford Northern can help out. Keith D (talk) 00:38, 26 July 2013 (UTC)
 * This has now been nominated for deletion see Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:Article Incubator/William "Billy" Smith if anyone wants to step in. Keith D (talk) 06:42, 1 August 2013 (UTC)

Please help get Yorkshire ready for the start of the Wiki Loves Monuments competition on 1st September
This September the UK is taking part for the first time in the international photography competition Wiki Loves Monuments. Participants will be invited to submit pictures of listed buildings of significant importance (grades I or grade II*), as recorded by English Heritage. The main external website for competitors can be found here, and you can leave a message there if you have queries about competing. Do please join in, and let people in your local area know of this excellent way in which both existing and new Wiki users can help improve the encyclopaedia by contributing photographs of local listed structures. What about organizing a local Wikimeet to attract new people?

In preparation for the start of the competition on 1st September there is still quite a lot of work to do, and we would like to ask for the help of members of this wikiproject. Your local and expert knowledge will be invaluable in ensuring that the lists of eligible buildings are up to date and correctly formatted. If you look at Listed buildings in the United Kingdom you will see how many structures are included. If you then follow the link to Listed buildings in England, you can get to the detailed lists for your area. Alternatively have a look at the WLM planning table. Can you help to ensure that the lists for your area are up to date and well presented?

Some of the lists have been semi-automatically generated from data provided by English Heritage. These use pre formatted templates (eg EH header) which will make it much easier for competition participants to upload their photographs to Commons as an automated process. Please don't change the template structure, as we need to ensure that the templates are properly compatible with the WLM standards that are in use worldwide. The format will allow a bot automatically to collect the information and to put it into the international Monuments Database.

The data still needs the attention of local editors:
 * The "title" may need wikilinking to a suitable article name (whether we currently have that article or not). If there are several buildings in one street all of the wikilinks point at an article about the street; however each entry has a separate line in the list.
 * The "location" column looks and sorts better if just the parish or town is included (& wikilinked).
 * The "date completed" column sometimes has eg "C19" for 19th century, and "C1850" for c. 1850 when the date is uncertain - these need to be corrected manually.
 * The "grid ref & lat & long" (which is occasionally missing) may be given to 8 characters — only 6 (grid ref) or 5 (lat & long) are really needed.
 * Clicking on the "list entry number" should take you to the data sheet for that entry on the English Heritage database which can be checked if needed for details.
 * The image column should have a picture added if we already have a suitable image on Commons. (N.B. if you are going to be taking photos yourself for inclusion in the competition don't upload them until September)
 * References may be added according to normal WP practice.

For further information, please see [http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Wiki_Loves_Monuments_2013_in_the_United_Kingdom Commons:Wiki Loves Monuments 2013 in the United Kingdom. ]

If you have any queries, please post them not below but on the Organizers' help page on Commons.

Anything you can do to help improve these lists will be much appreciated. The final deadline for cleaning up is 31st August.

--MichaelMaggs (talk) 14:40, 9 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Many of the wikilinks were on the previous versions of the page which were not transferred to the new page. Keith D (talk) 20:22, 9 August 2013 (UTC)

Metropolitan Boroughs: names in infoboxes
Please see Wikipedia talk:WikiProject UK geography. -- Red rose64 (talk) 16:41, 9 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Personally I would just go with the Metropolitan Borough of X and forget about using the other_name field. Keith D (talk) 20:18, 9 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Per WP:MULTI, please respond on the original post. -- Red rose64 (talk) 20:36, 9 August 2013 (UTC)

Proposal to turn WP:LEEDS into a taskforce
This morning it was suggested that WikiProject Leeds should be turned into a taskforce of either the UK Geo WikiProject of the UK noticeboard. The proposal is based on the fact that the project has been tagged as inactive since 2011. I thought folks here might want to join the discussion on the WP:LEEDS talk page. Nev1 (talk) 08:52, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

Convert WikiProject Bradford into a taskforce of WP:Yorkshire

 * The following discussion is closed. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.

-- 76.65.128.222 (talk) 11:58, 26 August 2013 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.

Leeds Wikimeet
A Wiki Meetup has been scheduled for 5 October in the New Conservatory, Leeds, where you'll be able to meet other like-minded folk and talk about Wikipedia, Leeds, Yorkshire, and anything else that takes your fancy. Hope to see you there! To sign up, and for further information, see here. Cheers, Bazonka (talk) 21:30, 29 August 2013 (UTC)
 * other like-minded folk - what a terrifying prospect! --Robert EA Harvey (talk) 22:36, 22 September 2013 (UTC)

On Ilkla Moor Baht 'at? or bar t'at?
There was a recent change asserting that "It is now generally agreed that "baht 'at" is not the correct transliteration, it should be "bar t'at" ". As the two sources were a Scottish student songsheet and a blog post, I've reverted the change to the lyric and modified that statement to "It has been suggested...". Others might like to chip in. Pam D  22:41, 9 September 2013 (UTC)
 * What the article does not explain is that "bar" is a normal English word meaning "apart from" or "without" - notably in the phrase "bar none", but also seen in a related "barring accidents etc". Chemical Engineer (talk) 10:40, 10 September 2013 (UTC)

Leeds Wikimeet - reminder
This is just a quick reminder that the first Leeds meetup will be taking place on 5 October. This is the first one in Yorkshire, and hopefully it will become a regular event. It would be good to have a good turnout, even if you just pop in to say hello. See here for further details, and let me know if you've got any questions. Bazonka (talk) 05:42, 22 September 2013 (UTC)

Process for requesting article review?

 * Wade's Causeway I have reworked and extended this article over the past week or so, and intend to take it all the way to FA eventually. Presently it is rated by this project as a stub, which I don't believe is applicable anymore, please could it be re-assessed? I am not clear what the official procedure is to request this --PocklingtonDan (talk) 18:40, 22 September 2013 (UTC)
 * I have updated the rating and added a couple of pointers on the Assessment page. Keith D (talk) 23:51, 22 September 2013 (UTC)

James Martin (chef)
In my view, this article's in a bit of a mess. It's pretty persistently edited by someone who acts exactly like his PR flack, and criticism of him (while sourced) has been pretty energetically whitewashed out (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=James_Martin_%28chef%29&oldid=335985410 - Delicatessen, Autobiography) while a lot of essentially self-sourced trivia is added. Any thoughts? Pinkbeast (talk) 15:55, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

National Railway Museum editathon 19th October
Hi, we have an editathon, backstage pass and tripods allowed photography session at the National Railway museum in York on the 19th October. We still have some spaces available, and for people who don't fancy editing about Railways we will be going for a drink afterwards. Jonathan Cardy (WMUK) (talk) 14:18, 9 October 2013 (UTC)

Possible source of PD aerial photos of Leeds
Over at SecretLeeds there is a great thread of aerial shots of Leeds taken in 1951. As RAF photos they'll be PD-BritishGov if someone wants to see if they can get copies of the OP there. NtheP (talk) 16:37, 9 October 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedian in Residence YMT
Hello! I'm PatHadley (talk), the new Wikipedian in Residence at the York Museums Trust. I'd love to work with WikiProject Yorkshire - help you find resources connected to YMT and work out the best ways we can help improve Yorkshire-related content. The project page can be found here: GLAM/YMT and there's more information in the trust's announcement. One of the first things I could use some help with is an article on the trust itself. This is currently in AFC Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/York_Museums_Trust but I really ought not add too much detail myself due to CoI issues. Any thoughts and ideas appreciated! I'm looking forward to working with you PatHadley (talk) 12:31, 17 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Welcome - hopefully it will be a fruitful time. Could do with locating some third party references for the article, may be some of the BBC pages referencing the trust can be used. Keith D (talk) 23:31, 20 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi Keith, many thanks for the tidy. It's become clear that - even with the closest adherence to NPOV possible - it would be inappropriate for me to create the YMT article. If you have the time to make the edits necessary for it to pass creation that would be amazing. There's no rush obviously, but it would be useful to have! I hope that in return, I can facilitate access to useful YMT materials for yourself and the Yorkshire project!? Cheers, PatHadley (talk) 15:26, 21 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi all, we've got a NEW UPLOAD! I've been working with the numismatics curators on images of coins from the Middleham Hoard. The whole set can be found here: Category:Coins from the Middleham Hoard (23 out of 54 so far), I hope that they're useful! Unfortunately the hoard itself is lacking an article. I've just started the bones here: Articles for creation/Middleham Hoard and it would be great if you guys could help the curators (new editors) and myself get the article ready for submission. Also, the coverage of Middleham generally could be improved. Perhaps some of you might like to help? It would be great to improve the article, and obviously YMT also hold the Middleham Jewel and Ring - perhaps Yorkshire editors would like to improve these with help from the YMT team? What do people think? PatHadley (talk) 15:54, 14 January 2014 (UTC)

Template:Noping
Hello, I'm going through the 13K+ transclusions of and am noticing that there are a lot of transclusions by this project. I'm here to inform you the the formatting used by the template has changed and is no longer. The template now allows for up to five users to be listed in one shot (development is still in progress to clean up the formatting of how that is displayed and may allow for more users in the near future) and the new syntax is. Happy editing! Technical 13 (talk) 14:14, 24 January 2014 (UTC)

Leeds Wiki meet up 2
Please note there is a 2nd Leeds wiki meet up on 15 March. Please see here for details. All welcome! Also please notify any Yorkshire wikipedians. IJA (talk) 22:54, 29 January 2014 (UTC)

Lists of mills
Over the next few days I will be uploading a few list articles- formatted like List of mills in Stockport. By next Sunday they will be ready to be expanded. I have started with List of mills in Leeds which looks very bare at the moment- though the Google map link is impressive. Think of it as a framework for co-operation! I want to sort out little things like referencing then others are in the pipeline. -- Clem Rutter (talk) 01:13, 18 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the good work. Had a look at the Stockport list and think that the images need to be frameless rather than thumb to improve the look. This is used on the listed buildings lists such as Grade II* listed buildings in the East Riding of Yorkshire. Keith D (talk) 09:49, 18 February 2014 (UTC)
 * A lot of time, a lot of programming and an extraordinary piece of good luck has given us Category:Lists of mills in Yorkshire. I am now open to some serious co-operation! Each mill connects to a descriptive database entry accessed through a program at the Universitat Pompeu Fabra de Barcelona. There is a lot of clean up work to do- checking the links- some are obvious OCR errors. Checking for spelling and missing settlements. Renaming the categories for consistency with other Yorkshire lists. For each of the 2000 mills, a tiny synopsis of the data in the sources need to be written- and if anyone has got time this weekend it would be nice to take two photos of each of mills (including the ones that have been demolished!). --  Clem Rutter (talk) 23:23, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

Invitation to User Study
Would you be interested in participating in a user study? We are a team at University of Washington studying methods for finding collaborators within a Wikipedia community. We are looking for volunteers to evaluate a new visualization tool. All you need to do is to prepare for your laptop/desktop, web camera, and speaker for video communication with Google Hangout. We will provide you with a Amazon gift card in appreciation of your time and participation. For more information about this study, please visit our wiki page (http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Finding_a_Collaborator). If you would like to participate in our user study, please send me a message at Wkmaster (talk) 06:32, 20 February 2014 (UTC).

Popular pages tool update
As of January, the popular pages tool has moved from the Toolserver to Wikimedia Tool Labs. The code has changed significantly from the Toolserver version, but users should notice few differences. Please take a moment to look over your project's list for any anomalies, such as pages that you expect to see that are missing or pages that seem to have more views than expected. Note that unlike other tools, this tool aggregates all views from redirects, which means it will typically have higher numbers. (For January 2014 specifically, 35 hours of data is missing from the WMF data, which was approximated from other dates. For most articles, this should yield a more accurate number. However, a few articles, like ones featured on the Main Page, may be off).

Web tools, to replace the ones at ~alexz/pop, will become available over the next few weeks at popularpages. All of the historical data (back to July 2009 for some projects) has been copied over. The tool to view historical data is currently partially available (assessment data and a few projects may not be available at the moment). The tool to add new projects to the bot's list is also available now (editing the configuration of current projects coming soon). Unlike the previous tool, all changes will be effective immediately. OAuth is used to authenticate users, allowing only regular users to make changes to prevent abuse. A visible history of configuration additions and changes is coming soon. Once tools become fully available, their toolserver versions will redirect to Labs.

If you have any questions, want to report any bugs, or there are any features you would like to see that aren't currently available on the Toolserver tools, see the updated FAQ or contact me on my talk page. Mr.Z-bot (talk) (for Mr.Z-man ) 05:34, 23 February 2014 (UTC)

Second Leeds meetup
The second Leeds Wiki Meetup has been scheduled for 15 March in the New Conservatory on Albion Place. Come along for lunch, a drink, and a chat about Wikipedia and whatever else takes your fancy. Hope to see you there! To sign up, and for further information, see here. Cheers, Bazonka (talk) 21:30, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

More images from York Museums Trust
Hi all, just to let you know that I've started uploading images of Snowden Slights 'Last of Yorkshire's wildfowlers' to Commons here: Category:Images from The Sydney Harold Smith Collection. These include some fascinating images of early 20th century hunting, agriculture and fishing in East Yorkshire. There are several hundred more to come! I hope you find them useful. There is a book about Slights by Sydney Harold Smith (the photographer) that we have here and may be able to lend to local Wikipedians or can be borrowed from the city or university libraries. Let me know if I can help! PatHadley (talk) 16:43, 6 March 2014 (UTC)

York Edit-a-thon
The culmination of the York Museums Trust residency is an edit-a-thon happening on March 16th. Find out more and sign up! There will be unique collections and expert curators on hand and you are welcome to suggest further topics in advance (the more notice we have the more likely we can hunt down relevant materials!). Also, this is a chance to make direct contact between Yorkshire-specialist Wikipedians and curators - it would be extremely good to maintain contacts after my residency ends! You don't have to turn up in the flesh - remote participants are also very welcome! Hope to see you there! Cheers, PatHadley (talk) 16:43, 6 March 2014 (UTC)

Newsletter
Is there any chance of adding a timestamp to future editions, Bots don't seem to be archiving them due to the lack of them. --  axg //  ✉  ]] ''' 11:11, 23 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Where do you want a timestamp - it is dated. Keith D (talk) 16:09, 23 March 2014 (UTC)

Today's Featured Articles
Just to let members know that two of the projects articles will be appearing on the main page in the near future.

Wilfrid should appear on 24 April with this description.

HMS Endeavour should appear on 29 April with this description.

Would be good if people could keep an eye out for vandalism on both of these, I won't be around for the first one. Keith D (talk) 12:28, 16 April 2014 (UTC)


 * Things come in threes as History of Sheffield will appear on 24 May 2014. Keith D (talk) 11:18, 10 May 2014 (UTC)

Third Leeds wikimeet
On 14 June there is to be another meetup in Leeds. See here. Hope you can meke it! Bazonka (talk) 18:46, 21 May 2014 (UTC)

Leaflet For Wikiproject Yorkshire At Wikimania 2014
Hi all,

My name is Adi Khajuria and I am helping out with Wikimania 2014 in London.

One of our initiatives is to create leaflets to increase the discoverability of various wikimedia projects, and showcase the breadth of activity within wikimedia. Any kind of project can have a physical paper leaflet designed - for free - as a tool to help recruit new contributors. These leaflets will be printed at Wikimania 2014, and the designs can be re-used in the future at other events and locations.

This is particularly aimed at highlighting less discoverable but successful projects, e.g:

• Active Wikiprojects: Wikiproject Medicine, WikiProject Video Games, Wikiproject Film

• Tech projects/Tools, which may be looking for either users or developers.

• Less known major projects: Wikinews, Wikidata, Wikivoyage, etc.

• Wiki Loves Parliaments, Wiki Loves Monuments, Wiki Loves ____

• Wikimedia thematic organisations, Wikiwomen’s Collaborative, The Signpost

For more information or to sign up for one for your project, go to: Project leaflets Adikhajuria (talk) 17:17, 12 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Any interest? Keith D (talk) 12:18, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

Independent Inquiry into Child Sexual Exploitation in Rotherham
This describes what appears to be by far the most serious child abuse scandal yet reported in the United Kingdom, and is a breaking news story across the British media. -- The Anome (talk) 16:40, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

Yorkshire-wide GLAMwiki partnership
Yorkshire has 150 registered museums and Wikimedia UK has funded a project to help them engage with Wikipedia, Wikimedia Commons and the rest of the family. This is building on the very successful partnership with York Museums Trust that ran last Winter. This led to 411 image donations several training sessions and an edit-a-thon. We would love to have input from editors with an interest in Yorkshire. What content do you most need? How can we negotiate future partnerships? What kinds of events would you like? I, PatHadley, am co-ordinating the project and am really keen to make contact with the community. Get in touch! PatHadley (talk) 11:52, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

Comment on the WikiProject X proposal
Hello there! As you may already know, most WikiProjects here on Wikipedia struggle to stay active after they've been founded. I believe there is a lot of potential for WikiProjects to facilitate collaboration across subject areas, so I have submitted a grant proposal with the Wikimedia Foundation for the "WikiProject X" project. WikiProject X will study what makes WikiProjects succeed in retaining editors and then design a prototype WikiProject system that will recruit contributors to WikiProjects and help them run effectively. Please review the proposal here and leave feedback. If you have any questions, you can ask on the proposal page or leave a message on my talk page. Thank you for your time! (Also, sorry about the posting mistake earlier. If someone already moved my message to the talk page, feel free to remove this posting.) Harej (talk) 22:47, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

Expert attention
This is a notice about Category:Yorkshire articles needing expert attention, which might be of interest to your WikiProject. It will take a while before the category is populated. Iceblock (talk) 06:41, 19 October 2014 (UTC)

Old maps and views of Yorkshire
As you might have seen in the Signpost this week, there's currently a drive to go through the million 19th century images released by the British Library last year, and identify all the maps, with a view to their being georeferenced by BL volunteers, and then uploaded to Commons early next year. As of Sunday night, over five thousand new maps have been identified, with 26.5% of the target books looked at -- but see here for latest figures, and information.

A part that may specifically interest this project is
 * c:Commons:British Library/Mechanical Curator collection/Synoptic index/England - Yorkshire

which currently shows 187 Flickr book pages still to be looked at. (Though there are still lots of other parts of England, and indeed of the world, still to be looked through).

Any help looking through these would be very much appreciated -- and you may well also find other interesting or useful non-map views that may be worth considering or uploading for Yorkshire articles.

Thanks, Jheald (talk) 00:50, 3 November 2014 (UTC)

Sheffield Editathon 22nd November 2014
There will be an editathon on Saturday 22nd November in Sheffield, the theme is historical authors and printers from the Yorkshire region. WikiProject Yorkshire people would be very welcome either to join on the day or make suggestions on the project page. Jonathan Cardy (WMUK) (talk) 19:27, 5 November 2014 (UTC)

Leeds United moves
I'd like to raise attention to a multiple RM because it might require a lot of work and cleaning up. Please see Talk:Leeds United A.F.C. Reserves and Youth Team. Regards IJA (talk) 12:34, 16 November 2014 (UTC)

The Yorker
The above article is about a student-run news website. My feeling is that the article is mostly about what the website isn't and there isn't a whole lot of substance. I'm wondering whether it should go to AfD. Does anyone here have an opinion on the article? Nev1 (talk) 15:07, 22 November 2014 (UTC)

York Unitary Authority
Should York Unitary Authority redirect to "York" or should it be a new article? Regards IJA (talk) 14:38, 25 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Probably yes as we do not have a separate article for City of York which redirects to York. Though do we need to mention York Unitary Authority should we not be referring to City of York and using the redirect? Keith D (talk) 18:59, 25 November 2014 (UTC)

Geoffrey (archbishop of York) nomination for Today's Featured Article
I've nominated the article Geoffrey (archbishop of York) to be considered for Today's Featured Article, nomination discussion is at Today's featured article/requests/Geoffrey (archbishop of York). &mdash; Cirt (talk) 01:43, 28 November 2014 (UTC)