Talk:List of Mass Effect characters

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Missing characters
I just noticed that you removed major characters in their entirety from List of Mass Effect characters. Why did you commit this vandalism? Please help correct it. Googinber1234 (talk) 02:32, 14 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Reliable sources were not provided which established those characters's importance such that we provide the appropriate weight in the list. Feel free to produce and use yourself reliable sourcing. You can try starting with WP:VG/S and WP:VG/SE. --Izno (talk) 02:35, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

It's a list of characters for a specific series; it is to list all of its significant characters. Googinber1234 (talk) 18:35, 14 January 2020 (UTC)
 * No, that's not how Wikipedia works. Wikipedia works by using reliable sources to establish the correct weight and verifiability of a subject. If you do not have reliable sources about a topic, you should not write about that topic here. This is especially true for content which is fictional.
 * I am sure the Mass Effect Fandom would like to have this content, if it does not already exist, if you cannot produce reliable sources.
 * Also, stub is for pages which have very little content. This page does not have that issue. I will re-remove your edit. Do not revert me. Thanks. --Izno (talk) 18:58, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

Please stop removing characters. If you believe that any of the information I'm adding is not true, please identify such specifics. Your use of a "reliable sources" policy to flat-out remove undisputed information here is wrong. The page is a list of Mass Effect characters; everything I am adding is on-topic and significant to the series. Please verify for me that you understand this. Googinber1234 (talk) 21:02, 14 January 2020 (UTC)
 * You have now been reverted multiple times by multiple editors and been explained why you are wrong. You are the one who needs to stop. --Izno (talk) 21:19, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

Why is this page/list so incomplete in 2020? Googinber1234 (talk) 02:30, 14 January 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm going to leave a comment here because this is where the discussion should be occurring. I have . The issue I have is that you have not provided reliable sources such that the content is verifiable that it has the appropriate weight in the article. It is  burden to provide those sources. I have provided you a link (WP:VG/SE) which will provide you a search engine that can probably help you find sourcing for some of the characters. Fandom and "index" pages at IGN or similar are not appropriate. --Izno (talk) 21:22, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

That link appears to give only a specific list of sites as "acceptable".

Also, as of now I am reporting you. Googinber1234 (talk) 21:30, 14 January 2020 (UTC)
 * The links above include a link to a Google custom search engine that provides for some reliable sources that are the most-likely to help you source the content you're attempting to add. I'd be happy to work with you to assess each source you might find. --Izno (talk) 21:53, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

The problem is that you believe this kind of information, when it is not disputed, needs such sources on a page specifically dedicated to its topic; it does not. I also heavily disagree with what Wikipedia considers as so "reliable" while dismissing everything else. Googinber1234 (talk) 22:01, 14 January 2020 (UTC)
 * If you would like to discuss specific sources, we can talk about them, but it's going to start from the principles in WP:V and WP:RS, which are distilled into video game-specific discussion at WP:VG/S. If you don't bother to read those, your disagreement isn't going to get you very far. You can discuss those sources you might think are okay here, WP:RSN, or WT:VG/S.
 * As for what is or is not disputed, I have challenged your content; it is then your burden to identify sourcing for that content. Again, I'm willing to filter sources that you think are acceptable (which may [not] be), but a challenge doesn't just go away because you think it's not disputed.
 * Additionally, the content you add needs to be written about from an out-of-universe perspective and with the objectives of maximizing out-of-universe information and minimizing plot regurgitation (which is best discussed in the context of the specific games). --Izno (talk) 22:07, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

You just contradicted yourself: you already said earlier today that you "have just about no objection to some of this content". Also, the article in question we're talking about deals with fictional information, which I am not going into excessive detail with in my draft. Googinber1234 (talk) 22:19, 14 January 2020 (UTC)
 * We can talk when you produce the sources. Otherwise, you should entertain finding another place that is not Wikipedia to contribute to. --Izno (talk) 22:26, 14 January 2020 (UTC)

I already gave you clear and obvious sources; they are literally the first results on Google. Furthermore, you are continuing your original error of the belief that sources are needed for everything. They are not. I'm not concerned with having this information on any other place. My point is not to make it publicly available in general, my point is to have it included on Wikipedia specifically, setting a good example for correcting similar exclusion of information and other vandalism that uses erroneous policies as justification, as you have been this whole time. I am trying to enforce this common sense standard on Wikipedia specifically. Googinber1234 (talk) 22:32, 14 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Then you are a hopeless cause and not long for Wikipedia. I'll be moving along. --Izno (talk) 22:34, 14 January 2020 (UTC)