User talk:Aboutmovies/archive9

Mark Hatfield
Thank you for responding to my comments at Talk:Mark Hatfield. I think I may have found an answer to my question. Please see that Talk page for further details. --TommyBoy (talk) 02:38, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

Thatcher, Oregon
Got pics? Valfontis (talk) 05:44, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Nope, but could probably make it out there soon. Aboutmovies (talk) 05:48, 12 August 2011 (UTC)

Middleton, Oregon railroad photo
Hi, Aboutmovies. Just wondering .... There is no crossing in this recently uploaded photo, File:Railroad crossing at Middleton - Oregon.jpg. It's just a rail line. Did you mean to upload a different file? (I'm posting this message here, because you wrote on your Commons user page that you prefer to be contacted here.) SJ Morg (talk) 11:57, 20 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I took the picture from the crossing, so yes, no crossing in the picture. Guess you'll have to imagine it in your mind as just to the right. Aboutmovies (talk) 21:46, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

Oregon Reports
Hi there -- do you by chance have easy access to the Oregon Reports, specifically vol. 8? See User talk:Mtsmallwood about Vallejo (ferry) -- seems like it could be a curious tidbit to add (or maybe not). -Pete (talk) 20:31, 25 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I might, do you have the citation (8 Or. 101) or better yet a case name? Google Books has a lot of old "reporters" online, to which there are quite a few "Pacific Reports". The regional reporters would (actually still do) aggregate cases from several states, so many Oregon Reporter cases would be in there. Cite for it would likely be something like 28 P. 204. Aboutmovies (talk) 01:35, 26 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't know anything beyond what Mt told me on his talk page- might be worth asking him. I did some Googling on the terms I knew, but didn't come up with anything in Google Books. -Pete (talk) 08:59, 26 August 2011 (UTC)

Why revert?
I in no way did a personal attack or called you names. You said "I am going to come off as a bit of an ass". I said, "Thank you for sounding like an Ass" as a reply that I agreed with your statement. You did sound like an ass by saying I've got so many edits so don't tell me what to do.

It is very condescending to say that I have so many entries so I know better and it is in no way a personal attack to tell you that. I've worked in a University setting for 20 years now. My secondary job is counseling students on abuse. Physical assaults by Profs on students. Verbal assaults. Unwarranted sexual advances. The worst is, "I'm a prof" you an idiot so I know better. Hey they are tenured profs, so there is nothing you can do. Saying I'm a lawyer and you are not so I know what is right is just the same as the profs and I abhor it. It is wrong behavior. Bgwhite (talk) 09:22, 8 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Since your job is in part counseling, I believe one of the main responsibilities is to listen. As an an attorney (AKA counselor) it is my responsibility to listen (or read) to what clients and opposing counsel state. It is also incumbent upon me to ensure I hear the entire story and not cherry-pick the portions I want to focus on. I have to review and understand the entire argument. My argument was not "I've got so many edits so don't tell me what to do" but that must and should are two different words that when it comes to rules we treat differently. For comparison, review WP:BLP and note the use of must throughout, even in conjunction with should in the same sentence in the lede. But no matter what, you will disagree with me, and without you taking a class on legislation interpretation, you will never agree. We can quote dictionaries to the cows come home, as our very own Wiktionary says that one antonym for should is must. Or where it says "You should brush your teeth every day." Now you should, but there is nothing requiring one to do so (well maybe a parent). And I'm sure we could each find more. But when it comes to what laws (and for Wikipedia we just have guidelines/policies) should and must are very different. Now, in general, start class articles should have RS, but unlike the BLP policy, it is not must.
 * My "I have a bunch of edits" item was about your actions. As in see WP:DTTR in general. As in before you start reverting edits and leaving notes, you might want to ensure you are 100% correct, such as leaving a note about vandalism after an editor adds a bunch of random cuss words. Here, you feel should means must, yet I have had this conversation before and others have indeed backed me up (and as shown above Wiktionary does to, for whatever that is worth). Plus, the ratings criteria also employs the use of must, see the FA criteria. Again, that is another parsing tool taught when interpreting rules, as in if two terms are used, both are usually interpreted to mean different things.
 * Add the only relevant change to the start criteria was done by a single editor without discussion at the ratings template page, citing a discussion on another talk page where he raised the idea and nobody supported or commented on the change. Aboutmovies (talk) 10:06, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

The Right Stuff
Hello AM! I was hoping you would have some time for an interview for the our newsletter, The Right Stuff. Just a few questions about what makes WPOregon so successful. Thanks! – Lionel (talk) 05:18, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

First Article
My first article is nearly complete, named Paul Shoup : I believe I have everything sorted out relating to copyrights: any suggestions on how to remove the hold on my page? I have a written release from the original writer, which I'm not sure has copyright anyway, as it's from a government document -and I had hired her to create the work. Regardless I have her release. What's the process to get this reviewed, and the page released from pending approval? Wjenning (talk) 06:16, 6 October 2011 (UTC)
 * See Donating copyrighted materials. Aboutmovies (talk) 03:02, 7 October 2011 (UTC)

Read your page: see you are an Eagle Scout (so am I) and have a great interest in West Coast NRHP. I'd love your help in improving the article on Paul Shoup and Paul Shoup House - as these relate to my town and the house just made the NRHP. Wjenning (talk) 04:24, 8 October 2011 (UTC)

Norwegian painter Bendik Riis
Suggested text for article Bendik Riis:

"Bendik Riis (1911-1988) was a Norwegian artist whose works are on display at Nasjonalmuseet.

Art created by Riis (while he was committed as a mental patients, against his own wishes) at Gaustad Sykehus, disappeared into the posssession of employees of the hospital, against the wishes of the artist according to Ketil Bjørnstad's biography about the artist.

Aftenposten said that the painting Castration (castration) from the 1950's is counted amnong his most important. "

Reference, Aftenposten, 2011-10-10, p. 7-kultur, by journalists Kjersti Nipen and Ingvild Berg

What do you think about the text?--155.55.60.112 (talk) 08:51, 10 October 2011 (UTC)
 * I would suggest:
 * Bendik Riis (1911-1988) was a Norwegian artist whose works are on display at the National Museum of Art, Architecture and Design (Nasjonalmuseet). Works created by Riis while at the psychiatric Gaustad Hospital (Gaustad Sykehus) in Oslo, where he was committed against his will, disappeared into the possession of employees of the hospital. According to Ketil Bjørnstad's biography about the artist, these disappearances were also against Riss' will. The newspaper Aftenposten said that the painting Castration (castration) from the 1950s is counted among his most important.
 * This makes it clearer for English readers. I might suggest adding place of birth/death and any school or other biographical details as well. Otherwise, with this little info, no need for multiple paragraphs. Aboutmovies (talk) 01:44, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

Copy edit request in article on Osama bin Laden
The article on Osama bin Laden had a request for copyediting in one section. I just added a possible revision to the talk page for the article. Could you take a look at it? I seem to have lost all the internal links by working in my text editor. How do I fix that?Carmaskid (talk) 20:02, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

Question about WikiProject assessments
Hi. I've noticed you've rated a lot of biography articles for quality, so I thought you might be able to help me with a question I've wondered about for a while: When an article is rated on the quality scale for one WikiProject, such as WP:WikiProject Biography, should that rating automatically apply to all the WikiProjects the article is associated with? I know the importance rating differs from one WikiProject to another (I understand how a subject that rates as "top" priority in one WP can rate "low" in another), but it seems like the quality of the article itself is essentially the same regardless of the WikiProject. However, I've noticed most of the time, when an article is being rated, the assesser usually rates only one of the WikiProjects, so I was wondering if there was some policy discouraging rating all concerned WikiProjects "across the board" when assessing. I don't ever rate articles myself (although I will occasionally remove a "stub" or "start" rating I feel is obviously outdated so the article can be reassessed by someone more qualified than I), but I've wondered about this for a while, since I see some pages rated "B-class" in one WP while still rated "stub" or "start-class" in others. I guess basically what I'm wondering is: Once an article has been rated by someone qualified to assess it, is it ok if I update the quality rating for all the Wikiprojects associated with the article? Or is there some rule against doing that? Thanks in advance. --- Crakkerjakk (talk) 05:24, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes and no. You are correct that essential the rating should be the same across projects. However, there are a couple problems. First, the project templates are "owned/maintained" by the projects, so ideally, only project members should be updating those templates. Not a huge issue, but some projects are more territorial than others. The other more significant problem is that assessments can actually vary slightly. I personally do not think they should, but here are a few examples of why they do: some projects use a modified version of the assessment scale. Specifically the military history people decided to increase the quality needed to get to B class (I personally think it was inane, and instead they could have spent more time just working on getting articles to GA, but whatever) so that a B class for Bio may not be for the military folks. Secondly, the other argument has been that an article that is say B class for WP Physics may only be a Start class for Bio, as what needs to be covered to complete an article could be different based on a projects focus. As in, say Bob was a physicist, and his article covers in-depth his hypothesis about dark matter, but doesn't even have basic info as to where/when he was born or where he went to school. The Physics folks might think the article is B class based on the coverage of the physics info, but for Bio it could only be start at best. Again, my personal thoughts would that the article would need to be start at best, as if any project thinks major parts are missing, then as a whole the article is incomplete.
 * Now on a practical level, rarely would someone care if another editor updated all assessments to match. I personally do so for each project I am a member of, so for instance if there was a law school dean in Oregon that I assessed, I would update for WP Oregon, WP Law, UP Uni, and WP Bio. Anyway, hopefully that answers your question. Aboutmovies (talk) 06:37, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks. That answers my question.  Although I agree, it would make more sense for the same quality criteria to apply across all WikiProjects (to avoid confusion), I'm not looking to change the existing policies (and however they may differ).  It was just something I've wondered about for a while, because I've noticed some WP assessers will rate all projects when they assess, but now that I think about it, when it's happened it's usually been "entertainment" and/or "awards" articles where the rating standard probably doesn't vary much (if at all).


 * I guess my follow-up question is this: Is it ok for me to remove a "stub" or "start" rating when it's obviously outdated? Again, I don't take it upon myself to rate articles (I prefer to spend my time writing articles, and simply don't have the time or inclination to check every reference/source to verify all key information, especially on articles with 30 or 40 or more sources), but when it comes to simply removing an obviously outdated rating, is that ok?  For example, the Carroll O'Connor bio article, which was rated as "start" class over four years ago.  I'm not saying it should be nominated as FA-class, but it's pretty obviously not "start" class anymore either - so is it ok to remove the "start" rating so the page can be reassesed?  To me, an "unassessed" status is more accurate than a "start" rating from four years ago, but please correct me if I'm wrong.  --- Crakkerjakk (talk) 07:26, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

WikiProject Universities
Hi Aboutmovies, I saw your name listed in WP:Universities, so I thought I'd contact you. I recently nominated the article R.V. College of Engineering for GA, and it passed. Since the reviewer was not involved with WP:Universities, I thought I'd ask someone involved to have a look at it. Also, is it OK if I list the article on the main page of WP:Universities? Thank you,  Lynch 7  14:28, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

Out of Date Article
Hello - the Lattice Semiconductor article is quite out of date. Who do I talk to about corrections? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.185.196.124 (talk) 01:32, 1 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Sent you an email. Aboutmovies (talk) 07:13, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

wait, what?
Ouch, I'd expect it from Val, but from you?? Blood traitor! I'd turn you in for WP:NPA but I think you just have to turn in your Beavers' license. ;-) Anyway, we'll see what happens. I edited 'em when they were 1-11, I'll edit them again. But 11-1 is definitely more fun. The Webfoots may be looking at some sanctions anyway so we'll just hang around and see what happens. (P.S. Brett Nottingham's QB rating: 185.7. Luck: 167.5. Just sayin'). --Esprqii (talk) 17:54, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Just glad we can have some fun and move away from the COI/SOCK drama. As to Ducks and Beavers, I was a Duck fan good decade before I went to OSU. OSU just sort of happened. Now I can only hope the Beavs basketball has finally turned a corner and might get back to respectability. Aboutmovies (talk) 22:32, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
 * OK, I'll let you off with a warning then. I'd love to see the Beavs get back to hoops glory as well. It's been too long since the Ralph Miller/Gary Payton era. --Esprqii (talk) 23:17, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

Clear Creek Distillery
Hey, thanks for the help on the article. I was thinking of submitting to DYK on it with this draft. What do you think? Steven Walling &bull; talk   21:56, 11 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Go for it. An alt might be: ...that Stephen McCarthy used to make gun parts before starting fruit brandy maker Clear Creek Distillery? Aboutmovies (talk) 03:45, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

O. Paul Minneman page
We have spent some time cleaning up the headers (thank you for the note; we eliminated the links in the headers). We have also worked to clean up the tone. Let me know if there is more to do. Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Miklminn (talk • contribs) 01:21, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

Ramblin' Rod
Just wanted to say thanks for uploading that photo of Rod. I was about to post one but you beat me to the punch. Thanks for saving me the trouble. I have yet to figure out how to upload images on Wikipedia. Cheers, man. Keep up the excellent work! Multnomahblues (talk) 12:10, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

Category:Ernst Busch Academy of Dramatic Arts
Hi, please add a mention of the Academy in the article Wolfgang Heinz to explain why you added it into this category. – Fayenatic (talk) 08:53, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Ah - thank you, – Fayenatic (talk) 08:00, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

I hope you won't take this the wrong way
I hope you won't take this the wrong way - I don't know you, and you are obviously a prolific contributor. However, the welcome message you left at User talk:Dannyvendramini is one reason the process isn't automated. That editor has exactly one edit - asking for help because he believes his wife has been libeled. The edit was hurtful, and the editor is not happy. Sending a "welcome" thanking him for his "contributions" isn't the right message. The editor may well be considering legal action, and the welcome message doesn't send the message that we care about his concerns. Again, I hope I haven't offended, but I think it is wise to take a glance at the contributions before sending a welcome message. -- SPhilbrick (Talk)  02:27, 27 December 2011 (UTC)
 * I understand your concerns, but I simply have another philosophy. So many times the first message left on a user's talk page is a negative one, so anytime I see a redlinked user talk page I leave a message in order to try and have a better message, not to mention the useful links. Possibly in this case he used those links to seek the help he needed. As to any defamation issues and legal action, I fail to see the connection. This user was not the person who made the BLP violating statement, right? Therefor his contributions were useful and proper. As to libel, I really could not care less, as since I did not write the libeless statement, I have no exposure, and neither does Wikipedia. Certainly it can put a black eye on Wikipedia to those ignorant folks who do not understand defamation and US internet laws, but I would certainly hope it was explained to the editor that his sole recourse for any legal action that will not be laughed out of court is to sue the editor who wrote the statement. That is where the problem stems from, the editor who wrote the statement, and not anybody else, let's not lose sight of that. Aboutmovies (talk) 04:52, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Shawn Lindsay
The DYK project (nominate) 12:04, 29 December 2011 (UTC)

DYK for North Pacific College
The DYK project (nominate) 13:18, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

Indiana University School of Law – Indianapolis
Hi Aboutmovies,

You wrote the following on my talk page:


 * "Please stop undo established editor's reversion of your page moves. We are not Facebook and any issues with Facebook are to be addressed via Facebook. Or, just leave it as is (as what the school needs to be named as per Wikipedia's naming conventions) and Facebook will eventual update their page. But that is Facebook's issue, not Wikipedia. On Wikipedia we follow our own rules and don't care much about what we call mirrors (which is what Facebook is doing in this instance). Thank you. Aboutmovies (talk) 23:56, 2 January 2012 (UTC)"

Thanks much for the input. But please let me better explain the situation.

Although I did so prior to creating a Wikipedia user name, I wrote much of the "Indiana University School of Law – Indianapolis" article. Also, I am the user who created the redirects that I recently attempted to change on a temporary basis.

As you can see, in addition to the "Indiana University School of Law – Indianapolis" article, quite a few pages redirect to the the moved "Indiana University Robert H. McKinney School of Law" article. Unbeknownst to me when I created those redirect pages, Facebook has a bug in that Facebook often can't distinguish between a main article and a redirect page. So Facebook often indexes redirect pages, and once it has done so, then refuses to index the main page because Facebook sees it as a duplicate. That is, although several of the redirect pages (that I created) are indexed in Facebook, the main article (Indiana University Robert H. McKinney School of Law) has NOT been indexed. See http://www.facebook.com/319202238090899

I have written to Facebook repeatedly about this problem. All of my requests for help have gone unanswered, with one exception: On one occasion, a customer service rep wrote back and suggested "removing duplicates" from Wikipedia. Of course, that isn't so easily done. So instead, I followed the approach of removing the redirect and creating a "temporary" page for the "Indiana University School of Law – Indianapolis" article, so that Facebook wouldn't see it (and pages redirected to it) as a duplicate of the main article. And since I closely monitor the main article and its related redirected pages, I had intended to revert the redirects as soon as the Facebook issue was resolved, or within a few weeks, whichever is sooner.

I completely AGREE with your position that the above is "Facebook's issue" and not a Wikipedia issue. Nonetheless, regardless of where the issue arises, it is the school (the subject of the article) that is suffering. And so I still hope to resolve a problem that I, in part, created.

The original objection (and reversion) occurred when I posted an article that merely read as follows: "This page has moved.  Please see Indiana University Robert H. McKinney School of Law." In hindsight, I see where that was not the best approach. However, I am now pursuing NEW approach that I believe 1) complies with Wikipedia guidelines, and 2) accomplishes the goal "eliminating duplicates" (on a temporary basis) from the standpoint of Facebook.

Although I maintain that my new alternative approach does not run afoul of any Wikipedia guidelines, I nonetheless concede that my new alternative approach still isn't ideal from a Wikipedia standpoint. But I ask for the editors' understanding in allowing me to pursue this new approach for a few weeks (no later than mid-February), which hopefully will be enough time to resolve the Facebook issue.

I very much appreciate your consideration and understanding.

Thanks!

Lexalt (talk) 03:44, 3 January 2012 (UTC)

Seeking Guidance
I apologize for bothering you but am seeking guidance about a page that was supported through an edit by you on this page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Nicole_van_Dam - the underlying article is now up for deletion - I wanted you to know because I've worked so hard to keep it up to date, and would be sad to see it deleted. I'm willing to make changes to save it, and since this started (Dec 28) I've added more links and cites to bolster the page, but the situation seems to remain and I am not sure how best to resolve it other than by continuing to add more cites. Should I just sit and wait now? Any insights (critical or supportive) would be appreciated, as I would like to do this correctly. See Nicole van Dam, THANK YOU! for any advice you might have. Artmaestro (talk) 20:27, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

Sirshree_Tejparkhiji
Hi and thank you for the (auto-generated?) welcome. Hope everything goes well in 2012 for you and your family.

The article I started was meant to be User:Cneeds/Sirshree_Tejparkhiji but became Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/Sirshree_Tejparkhiji

Please move this article to my user space if you can. (Note that when I created this article Wikipedia complained that I had removed the first line, but I hadn't.)

Thank you

Chris

Thank you very much for moving my Sirshree_Tejparkhiji page.

I note that (according to your main talk page) you are not an Administrator (and have no desire to be one!). Does that mean that I should ask someone else to make such changes in future?

Chris

Cneeds (talk) 09:43, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Correct, I am not an admin. However, most regular editors have the ability to move pages under most circumstances. In time, if you keep editing, you too will be able to move pages. Aboutmovies (talk) 07:03, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

Section 3 of the Human Rights Act 1998
Hi. You rated this article "C" class for the purposes of WikiProject Law and I was wondering what element(s) of a "B" class article you believe are missing so I can correct them before GA nomination review. Grandiose (me, talk, contribs) 16:35, 12 January 2012 (UTC)
 * While it is a good legal article, this is a general use encyclopedia. So, first, we need to rely mostly on secondary or tertiary sources, not primary sources (so cases and the laws themselves should be cited sparingly as we want them interpreted by published, reliable sources, not Wikipedia editors). Not that you may or may not know all about the topic, or even that you may or may not be an expert, it just avoids the original research problem. Then, also look at your citations from a copy editing standpoint to fix a few typos and one standardization issue (retrieved/accessed). Next, some greater context/history is needed behind the act/law. May not need much as I would presume some is covered in the article on the full act, but some mention is needed (see the broad coverage point for GA at WP:WIAGA). Lastly, which relates to the first point, the article is dominated by quotes, which should be used sparingly (see this essay Quotations). When I assessed this, I went back and forth between C and B, but settled on C due mostly on the sourcing issue. To me, fix that alone and you are at B. Fix the rest and you are probably at GA. Aboutmovies (talk) 01:26, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

Scots Law
Hello. Thank you for assessing Scots Law. You gave it a B class ranking, however, another user subsequently reverted your review to C class. I don't have enough experience to know which of you has the authority to make the decision. Can you please clarify? Many thanks. Connolly15 (talk) 10:51, 13 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Obviously user Mais oui! has issues with the article and is under the mis-impression that B class is of a higher level nowadays. While the military history folks may think so, at WP:LAW we have retained the standard set of classifications, and B class has been about the same for about 5 years. But I haven't the time nor the inclination to care enough (its only a class rating). The only real way to tell would be to take it to GA and put it through an actual real, structured review process (GA is the first level to have that, except per individual WikiProjects which again WPLAW has not participated in). My quick review at the time said it was good enough for B class, but that's only based on around 25,000 assessments, about 50 GA reviews I've been involved with and a couple FA reviews I've been involved with, so I could be wrong. Aboutmovies (talk) 17:32, 13 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Ok, thanks for your comments - I just wanted to get a sense of whether the article really needed a lot more work or whether it was at least closer to B class. Thanks! :) Connolly15 (talk) 02:43, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

F. F. Montgomery
Any chance you can expand this stub I recently created? There's a fair bit on him on Google News, including a theft case and more. Thanks. – Connormah (talk) 19:53, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

How long does it generally take for edits I've done on a page to appear?
How long does it generally take for edits I've done on a page to appear? I made changes to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clay_Matthews_III on February 14th, but I don't see them yet. Thanks! Jaykeller (talk) 02:32, 20 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Changes ordinarily appear within a second or two. However, your edits were reverted within five minutes with the reason given as rv - promotional in tone.  See WP:NPOV for what that is all about.  Not just any contribution is welcome.  See the Five Pillars of Wikipedia for the basis of why we allow somethings and don't allow ohers.  —EncMstr (talk) 03:12, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

== Understood, although the intent here was not just promotional. Clay is becaoming well known for his CureDuchenne support. He's done several PSA's, he's appeared at quite a number of fundraising events, and he's talked about Duchenne at least twice on the Ellen DeGeneres show. Jaykeller (talk) 06:59, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Standard Plaza
The DYK project (nominate) 10:12, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Wilsonville Public Library
The DYK project (nominate) 06:55, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Graham Oaks Nature Park
Casliber (talk · contribs) 16:02, 18 March 2012 (UTC)

Midway, Washington County, Oregon
If you have time, could you snap a new picture? It sounds like the "Coming Soon" sign on the current pic is out of date. Or maybe you have a pic of the schoolhouse? Hurry before its too late. Valfontis (talk) 02:56, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Sure, next time it dries out. I got Thomas pics if you need them, before and after. Though I guess I should get the sports fields that are there now. Aboutmovies (talk) 05:26, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

Second Story Interactive Studios
Hi there. I'm the creator of the page Second Story Interactive Studios, and I saw that you added some questions about marketing speak and notability to the page. Could you please let me know what you had it mind? Another Wikipedian approved the page after edits, and I thought it was pretty good, and pretty well documented.

Thanks, -- Scottholdensmith (talk)


 * Hi there... Thanks for your details on the Second Story page. I'll make some changes. Once I do, how can I get the tags removed? -- Scottholdensmith (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 16:49, 22 March 2012 (UTC).
 * Hi, Aboutmovies ... I made some changes to Second Story Interactive Studios and I was hoping you could take a look. I added a couple of local citations, and changed the headers, and made a couple of text tweaks. I think that most everything else is a clear assertion, and not advertising-y. Any thoughts? Thanks for your help! -- Scottholdensmith (talk —Preceding undated comment added 00:06, 28 March 2012 (UTC).

Thank you thank you for your help on this. I'll keep improving the page. -- Scottholdensmith (talk)

Awful
Re:. I'm laughing. I've had a similar reaction looking over my old edits lately. I mean, what's wrong with being nestled in the Willamette Valley next to the Willamette River at the conflux of Highway 22 and Oregon 99 on the lefthand side of the beautiful Cascade Range in the depths of the Enchanted Forest next to Mill Creek in Polk/Marion County and the Spring Valley AVA Hills? Valfontis (talk) 03:04, 23 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Hopefully the new version looks better. At least my excuse is I expanded the crap out of it and good writing was lost in the shuffle. Aboutmovies (talk) 04:50, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

...QRZ Edits
Hi Aboutmovies. I am not quite sure what the issue is with not having station coordinates listed. There are many instances of broadcast stations NOT listing that data. Have you been to the coordinates on FCC record to see if this particular station is physically in there? Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Collins20V2 (talk • contribs) 08:04, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

List of people from Brattleboro, Vermont
Hello. Why move the stand alone list header to the talk page? The anon and casual editors that warning is meant for are not likely to visit the talk page. I police a lot of these lists for vandalism and they are high targets for it. The warning does help. Most of the editors of these sections that I've worked with put it on the front page. Dkriegls (talk) 06:38, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Awesome, thanks for the link to the consensus on that. I am on a mission to clean up Notable person lists. I put that hidden note on all embedded lists, but was using that disclaimer for stand alone List of Notable people from pages. Now I know and will switch over the 50 or so List of Pages that I have done that to. And add the hidden note instead. CheersDkriegls (talk) 04:26, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

Requesting new article assessment
Hi. I've recently written a new bio page for Michael Shea (actor) and I was wondering if you'd do me a favor and take a glance at it when you get a chance. I just noticed that it's been rated "start-class" on the quality scale. From previous experience, I've found that most editors will rate every "new" article no higher than "start", regardless of the quality and/or sources (I've actually contacted editors about this in the past, and had them turn right around and re-assess as "C" or higher, claiming "cut & paste" mistakes, but I'm not in the mood to go through contacting the editor about it tonight). You're one of the few editors I've seen who actually takes the time to read an article before assessing (you've fairly rated several new bios I've written in the past), so I was hoping you'd take a look and give your opinion on the quality rating and re-rate if needed. If you decide it really is "start-class" then that's fine with me, but I've found that once a page is rated, it tends to stay that way for years, so I'd like to have the page rated properly by someone who's actually looked at the article, rather than just leave it listed as "start" class by someone weary from cutting & pasting a "start" rating onto dozens of article's talk pages. Thanks. --- Crakkerjakk (talk) 07:13, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
 * As you likely noticed, I re-assessed as C. I think it's close to B, but just not enough non-acting content to get there. As in, 10 years out of about 60 years of life takes up about 75% of the article. Obviously that's what's notable about him, but it is a biography and more non-acting items should be fleshed out to get to B. After that, the main thing that separates B from GA is a good copy editing. BTW, I rarely read through an entire article, I skim through looking for key points to discern between stub through B, but I know what you mean about some people just through start. It's really fun then when you ask why and they can't defend their assessment. But I digress. Aboutmovies (talk) 03:44, 14 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for taking the time to take a look at the page for me. I'm pretty well acquainted with the Class assessment criteria, but it's just my own personal policy not to rate articles I've written (with the exception of removing a ridiculously overblown assessment by an unqualified editor on a page where I may have fixed a few typos). And I agree - this page is in the "C" category.  From experience, I've found a "C-class" rating is about as high as any former child star is ever going to get, due to a lack of reliable sources past the point of their acting careers - with the possible exception of those who become infamous/notorious (for all the wrong reasons), or the rare case where a child star attains prominence in another field (although, even then, I've found much of the content in their bios lacks inline citations).  I think I'm pretty realistic regarding where the pages I've written should rate (I don't waste my time writing "stubs", but I can recognize when an article about a subject from 30 or 40 or more years ago has limited available sources and only rates as "start" due to lack of online coverage).  What gets me is when an article I've written has a source for every single sentence and gets a "start" rating from someone who hasn't even taken the time to really look at the page.  I've found that most editors rating new articles are basically just tagging "start" as a "place-holder" to keep the page from being speedily deleted.  And I understand rating new articles can be tedious/monotonous to review (I'm sure it's probably true that 90% of "new" articles are either "stubs" or "starts"), but I'm one of the few who works in a sandbox to get an article into decent shape before I create the page, so it just gets on my nerves when editors are too busy to take 5 minutes to look at an article before they rate it.  If that's the case then I'd honestly prefer they not undertake the rating process at all, since - like I said before - once a page is rated, the rating tends to not be re-evaluated for another 3 or 4 or more years (with the exception of current superstars whose pages are getting an extraordinary amount of traffic).  Anyway - Thanks again for taking the time to give your assessment.  I appreciate it.--- Crakkerjakk (talk) 05:19, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Virginia Garcia Memorial Health Center
Orlady (talk) 16:02, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

Requesting new article assessment
Hi. Sorry to bother you again. I've just finished a bio for Lu Ann Haslam. It hasn't been rated yet (as of the writing of this message) so I was hoping you'd take a look and give it your assessment. It's not all that extensive, so I don't have any high hopes for a high rating, but I just wanted to drop a note to ask if you'd take a glance if/when you get a chance. Thanks. --- Crakkerjakk (talk) 09:30, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for taking a look at the Lu Ann Haslam article for me. I just finished rewriting the bio for the Schultz twins, Keith and Kevin Schultz.  I'd like to get that one assessed too if you find a few minutes.  Thanks again. --- Crakkerjakk (talk) 08:51, 21 April 2012 (UTC)
 * FYI, if you look at the unassessed bios category I pretty much clear out the sub cats for all those that are either empty or with only a few articles in them. I am slowly working through sports one and hope to finish by the end of the year, leaving only the musicians. The point being, no need to notify me if your new articles are in one of those subs. Aboutmovies (talk) 17:10, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

Leatherman
Hello Aboutmovies,

As a wikipedia fan and long time user, but never an editor, this is indeed new to me.

As an employee of Leatherman, when I saw that there were multiple factual errors as well as questionable inclusions in the entry, I decided to edit it. Because I am an employee, I need to take care with both sides: Only adding information that is correct by them as well as neutral to Wiki standards.

What was wrong with the edit I made?

Disclosure: While I am an employee, I work in the die shop and am unconnected with sales or marketing. I did this to improve the entry of the company I now work for. When the present entry has stood for months with an incorrect number of employees as well as prominent display of lines of tooling as current that were retired in 2010 or sooner, I believe it has issues that need fixing. As it stands now this entry is factually incorrect.

WireEDMguy 11:40, 19 April 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by WireEDMguy (talk • contribs)

Hello and thanks greatly for the helpful comments. As I was really excited about my very first edit to a subject so close to me, this is especially appreciated. I'll keep working at it until it meets the standards. Thanks again. R.H. WireEDMguy 17:22, 21 April 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by WireEDMguy (talk • contribs)

Hell no, we won't nestle in Corvallis
Thanks for the reversion. Valfontis (talk) 14:15, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
 * It's catching on. --Esprqii (talk) 17:01, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
 * But what about "Hell no, we hate Comic Sans?" Valfontis (talk) 17:52, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I had the same thought but that was my only option. --Esprqii (talk) 17:53, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I think in Corvallis you're supposed to use Papyrus. Valfontis (talk) 18:00, 20 April 2012 (UTC)
 * What really chapped my hide is they refused to recognize the Oregon Coast as a distinct REGION!!!!!!!!!!! Aboutmovies (talk) 00:21, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

WP Biography work projects
FYI... I've been noticing that you are adding a&e-work-group to singer's talk pages, such as Talk:Vic Franklyn. These should be labeled musician-work-group. Bgwhite (talk) 07:47, 22 April 2012 (UTC)
 * FYI, it wasn't me. Aboutmovies (talk) 03:22, 23 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Ah crap. Sorry about my idiotic mistake. Bgwhite (talk) 06:24, 23 April 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Shute Park Aquatic & Recreation Center
Casliber (talk · contribs) 00:04, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

Help Finding Info On Liberian Artist
Hey, how are you! Can you assist me to find resource on Liberian artist kNERO? --Sarah 23:55, 1 May 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by S.Kennedy (talk • contribs)

File:Tenasys logo.gif listed for deletion
A file that you uploaded or altered, File:Tenasys logo.gif, has been listed at Files for deletion. Please see the to see why this is (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry), if you are interested in it not being deleted. Thank you. — trlkly 06:00, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

Solar panels front at the Hillsboro Intermodal Transit Facility - Permission to use it?
Hi, Can I use the: Solar panels front at the Hillsboro Intermodal Transit Facility, image for a blog post about green initiative? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lindz123 (talk • contribs) 05:33, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, Just wanted to check! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.94.157.2 (talk) 06:18, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

Margaret Diesendorf
You rated this biography with a C. The final section, her poetry, is now added. The article is referenced, well-written and contains as much information as is publicly available. It needs upgrading. It would be good if you could do it ASAP, because it is a DYK on todays mainpage.

Amandajm (talk) 00:48, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, Aboutmovies for the welcome!
Hope I'm leaving this reply message the proper way-- my first one. Cheers! ;-) ````  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Barnabywoods (talk • contribs) 05:08, 12 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your welcome! I had asked you about proper copyright tags, but I think I figured it out myself from the material available. Do you mind if I have any questions on navigating my way around, if I ask you for the future?  Best regards, user:  Barnabywoods Barnabywoods (talk) 02:07, 13 June 2012 (UTC)  6/12/12  1905 PDT  (sorry, I don't know how to leave a signature)
 * Feel free to ask here. As to copyrights, that looks like an WP:OTRS situation, as Wikipedia will need some sort of proof if you will. Also, when leaving messages on talk pages (and talk pages only) be sure to indent using a colon and sign your messages at the end with four tildes ( ~ ). Happy editing. Aboutmovies (talk) 03:38, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

DYK for MathStar
Yngvadottir (talk) 16:32, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

Careful
This is about the 4th one I've come across in the past week of yours. This is something I would do. We can't have two screw ups around here and I'm too old to learn new tricks. Bgwhite (talk) 23:00, 26 June 2012 (UTC)
 * It's probably because I go in daily and work through the unassessed BIOs, starting with the subcats. I'm down to just the sports and musicians, and keeping the others empty. It looks like the above was a politician, so I'll avoid those if you can keep them cleared out. Otherwise I use a semi-automated tool to make the assessment process faster, so if someone assess it between when I open the article and when I save the assessment, then there is no way to catch the update. Aboutmovies (talk) 06:53, 27 June 2012 (UTC)
 * I just do new articles coming in and do not look at politicians in particular. What tool do you use to make the assessment?  I'd rather have two of us looking at articles and overlap rather than nobody looking at the articles. Bgwhite (talk) 08:36, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

Trying to report a small bug
Hello, This may not be the proper place for this but my hope is that it will get to the right person(s).

I am trying to report a small bug in the editing/display Javascript but am finding many roadblocks and difficulties. I don't know if the Wikipedia Bugzilla requires a separate account from Wikipedia editing account or it just doesn't work but I gave up. It should not be so difficult to give feedback.

I ran into this problem while entering external links for an article Screw-propelled vehicle. The script insists on appending part of the author date [key = date] to the author link [key = authorlink], destroying the link. I tried a number of variations but nothing seems to work so I just left it.

Thanks for your assistance and for all your efforts and contributions to a valuable resource. ArtKocsis (talk) 00:23, 5 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't deal with technical items, but if you try the Help Desk, I'm sure someone can assist. Aboutmovies (talk) 05:47, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

Category:Candidates to the United States House of Representatives from Oregon
Category:Candidates to the United States House of Representatives from Oregon, which you created, has been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. TM 11:41, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Hillsboro baseball stadium
Graeme Bartlett (talk 00:02, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

C Class
I am not agree with your assesment of Yamilet Peña and Yuderqui Contreras as C Class. I haven't found you rating more than C in a very large ammount of articles, but one that already have been graded B by another wikiproject. There is a criteria for B grading: The article meets the following five criteria: 1.It is suitably referenced, and all major points are appropriately cited. 2.It reasonably covers the topic, and does not contain major omissions or inaccuracies. 3.It has a defined structure, including a lead section and one or more sections of content. 4.It is free from major grammatical errors. 5.It contains appropriate supporting materials, such as an infobox, images, or diagrams. Could you please explain me, why any of those articles haven't been graded as at least B? Thanks. Osplace 04:29, 21 July 2012 (UTC)
 * While those articles are nice, and extremely well referenced, I stand by the C class ratings. My other assessments really are not relevant, but the simple fact is few articles at the un-assessed level are B class, or even C class, thus why there are so few in my assessments since I usually am doing un-assessed bio articles.
 * As to the two above, there are several items that stand out as to why I went with C, and why they are C class articles. First, is the first part of the articles, the lead/lede section. For articles this size, they should be more than just two sentences, otherwise it does not accurately summarize the article. Secondly, there are some grammar/typo issues and manual of style issues. For Yamilet Peña, look at the 2011 and 2012 sections and see all the single sentence paragraphs. For Yuderqui Contreras, there are things such as "As 17 years old" which is not proper English, as it should be At 17 years old or As a 17 year-old. There are other examples that tend to show the article was not written by a native English speaker. Regardless, these issues alone would not be enough in my book to keep it from being B class.
 * The biggest hurdle to reaching B class is actually is #2 of the criteria, which is usually the stumbling block for most biographies. The most glaring example is in Yamilet Peña, where we look at her "Early and personal life" section, which is extremely inadequate. These are biographies, which mean they are about the lives of people. While their athletic achievements make them notable, and it where the most coverage comes from the media, these are still people. Where did she grow up, who are her parents, where did she go to school as I would assume she did not start with accounting in college? This is a very common problem with articles on athletes, as the editors tend to only write about the athletic achievements and little on the person, which you need both for a biography. For a more prominent example of a Dominican athlete's article with the same problem, see Robinson Canó that is also rated as C class. Hopefully that explains my rationale for the assessments. Aboutmovies (talk) 08:36, 21 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Understood. Osplace 17:52, 21 July 2012 (UTC)
 * I really appreciate your comments. Could you please compare the currect article and this draft, before transfering the draft to mainspace? Thanks. Osplace 22:19, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

DYK for LaCrosse Footwear
Graeme Bartlett (talk) 00:03, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

Joan Howson
Hi,

Thanks for setting the class on the Joan Howson article. Since, then, though I haven't been able to access the talk page.

I wanted to check out the list of things I couldn't verify. Are you still able to access the talk page?--CaroleHenson (talk) 06:23, 20 August 2012 (UTC)


 * Oops, never mind. I can get back in now.--CaroleHenson (talk) 06:25, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

cortandfatboy
Hi, Aboutmovies. I saw your "speedy delte" on the cortandfatboy page. I think the article deserves another day in court, so to be speak. Probably no need for me to repeat myself here. I left some comments on the article's talk page. Curious for your thoughts. Multnomahblues (talk) 10:41, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks / Wiki Loves Monuments
Thanks for adding the image of the Knights of Columbus Building. Very cool! Don't forget, September is when the Wiki Loves Monuments competition is being held, so images (taken any time, not just in September) of sites on the National Register of Historic Places can be uploaded as part of the contest. I am participating because of my own obsession with sites on the Register and for the entertainment factor. I hope many quality current and former images of Oregon will be uploaded--hopefully you can help! -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 20:17, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for your welcome
I've added my first article Christina Hollis, which was marked almost immediately as having issues: 'The topic of this article may not meet Wikipedia's general notability guideline.', 'This article's tone or style may not reflect the encyclopedic tone used on Wikipedia.', 'This article's references may not meet Wikipedia's guidelines for reliable sources.' I based the format, content and style of my article on several other, similar articles including Carole Mortimer, which don't have any such issues highlighted. I've checked the guidelines quoted and while I understand the points they're making, I'm not clear where my article breaches them while the ones I used as models did not. At your convenience, could you or a colleague highlight specific, sample points in my article that breach the guidelines and why, so that I can use your advice to bring my article up to standard without wasting everyone's time blindly making random updates?

Many thanks.

Mgswiki (talk) 12:19, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

I'm bad at titles
Hi, just noticed your additions on my Muhammadu Attahiru I page. I want to thank you particularly for changing the Biography note on the talk page. Since I'm new here, I was wondering if there was any way that I could recommend some of my other biography pages (all labeled as Stubs), but ones I made big, for similar review. Is there a place to add them? I don't really care if they are Start or whatever, but it bothers me that they are still stubs. They include Abu Bakr Atiku, Ali Babba bin Bello, and maybe other future ones I do. Any help greatly appreciated. Thanks again! AbstractIllusions (talk) 03:00, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

Request for quality assessment
Hi there. I just finished beefing-up the bio for Scott Kolden and I wanted to drop a note to ask if you would take a few minutes to rate the article if you get a chance. It's another former child star article, so I don't have expectations for a high rating (I'd say it's probably C(ish) now), but it was formerly rated a "stub" and I think it's a fairly respectable article now, so I'd like to get an accurate rating for it if you get a few extra minutes. Thanks in advance --- Crakkerjakk (talk) 09:04, 15 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for taking the time to re-rate the Kolden article. One other request - I recently reworked the Butch Patrick bio a few weeks ago and I just noticed that's also still rated a "stub".  I didn't re-write the entire article (mainly just the "Career" section, which was previously almost entirely unsourced), but I think it's probably at least somewhere between a "start" and "C" now too if you get a chance to take a look over there.  I'd re-rate it myself, but I just don't like to assess articles I've had a significant hand in writing.  Thanks again. --- Crakkerjakk (talk) 10:28, 16 September 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Hillsboro Tribune
Casliber (talk · contribs) 00:04, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

WP:BEFORE
Isn't mandatory, dude. And it never will be. p b  p  15:54, 21 September 2012 (UTC)
 * BEFORE is a description of a policy, see WP:DEL-REASON, specifically the seventh bullet point. As in, it describes how to meet the criteria. So yes, the searching is in fact mandatory, and has been for the roughly six years I've been around here (in one form or another). Aboutmovies (talk) 04:09, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

Green infrastructure edit
hi aboutmovies. Thanks for your feedback. I certainly did not intend to SPAM wikipedia, so apologies for that. I'm new to this and thought I had taken into account the notability and promotional content restrictions and tailored my additions to those requirements. The report that I had cited is public, primary, and seemed notable, in my estimation. Was the research not notable enough? Was it improper to link to the respective authors' wiki pages in the text? Or something else? The article certainly seemed interesting and noteworthy re: a description of green infrastructure (ie, what are the economic effects of green infrastructure) and I'd be interested to see how and where you would add a link to this type of research without SPAMing. Thanks, Rabid.conservationist (talk) 00:26, 25 September 2012 (UTC)Rabid.conservationist
 * I'm sorry I was not more clear. The SPAMing has to do with your repeated adding of links to ECONorthwest. Given the few edits you have, it appears you perhaps have a conflict of interest with that company and are attempting to increase its presence on Wikipedia. So, if you are concerned with improving the Green infrastructure article and simply want to add to Wikipedia, please find another source. Ditto for the other articles. Then review the links on your talk page and continue to improve Wikipedia. Happy editing. Aboutmovies (talk) 06:39, 25 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the clarification. I guess my persistent issue is that the citations for the text in question weren't to the company or the company's website, but there was an inline reference to that company's non-existent wikipage in addition to those for the other authors of the report. the citations were to the american society of landscape architects website and, i believe, an article in The Atlantic. The second of which, at least, is a reputable independent news source. So it sounds like the issue is the in-line references to company wikipedia pages, not the citations themselves. I will give the Green Infrastructure edit another go with your input in mind, as the economic effects are not discussed on the page and are within the public purview. This seems like exactly the goals of wikipedia. Rabid.conservationist (talk) 15:43, 25 September 2012 (UTC)Rabid.conservationist

Hillsboro, Oregon
May I nominate Hillsboro, Oregon for today's featured article?--Lucky102 (talk) 09:09, 6 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Sure, go ahead. Aboutmovies (talk) 23:14, 6 October 2012 (UTC)

DYK for First & Main
The DYK project (nominate) 00:02, 13 October 2012 (UTC)

Aboutmovies, can you please give me assistance.  My articles are being stalked and harassed and I don't know what I can do
Hello, I'm contacting you because I frankly don't know how to navigate the maze of what to do where two deceased person biographical articles that I created (Allen B. Reed and Randolph H. Miner) and researched from scratch are being defaced and threatened with "deletion" by an individual whose page proclaims that he is an "unemployed Christian" (I would say that statement is 50% accurate) living in "South Carolina" while disclaiming that he is "not a bully". Me thinks he or she doth protest the last statement too much. Actually not a bully, in the real world anyway, but more of a cyber vandal or stalker. In my brief look at his page, it seems he does this as his day job. I don't know how this individual who is now stalking pages I have created found them in the first place, and I am not engaging this person directly, since I know his kind feeds on that attention. I wrote him one message back about a week ago, notifying that I regard what he is doing as vandalism. That was when he defaced and deleted whole junks of a biography for Allen B. Reed. After that he moved on to add stalking to his repertoire, when he found another article I had created for Randolph H. Miner which in his unemployed godliness and self-perceived omnipotence he has now set on a schedule for deletion. I have been on this planet long enough to know this type of individual: bitter, malicious, insecure and this gives him or her the opportunity to screw with others-- offering nothing constructive and failing to cite one single historical inaccuracy on my articles-- coupled with too much time on his or her hands. Who is he or she to say what is "historical" in an area he or she knows nothing about when this is just a mean game for him or her? All this miscreant has done is put up tags that they learned how to do, and set my article for deletion, unless I answer to them in their sick game, since it's my move or the article gets deleted. This Wiki article writing is not a game, but a hobby for me to share my interest and research with others, who are free to constructively add of course and constructively edit-- not destructively vandalize to get "a rise" out of me. Frankly, I don't know all the codes and how to navigate in this world. But I did write 2 damn good, and well researched and footnoted, in particular for Allen B. Reed-- more than 140-- of interest in the area of US Naval officers of the last century-- and in the case of Randolph H. Miner, one of the top 20 men who made Los Angeles, 2nd largest city in the US, at the beginning of the last century and key developer of the Port of San Pedro, second or third busiest in the US. But what would this oaf now about that-- (s)he's just a vandal. I have a day job, and if all my limited Wiki contributions gets deleted, c'est la vie, and ain't no big thing. My venture at "Wikipedia" will be finished thanks to the maliciousness of one pathetic individual and I'll put my efforts towards my own website, as many do, to post information and research for those who are interested, not in a vandal prone environment for pathetic people such as this person. In any event, if you are willing to help me-- since I'm not going to play games with this person, I don't have the inclination or desire to engage such a person directly and try to learn all the codes and tags and read the chess book on how to fight your pages and work from being deleted by a loon. It was hard enough to sincerely try to increase the knowledge on this encyclopedia, if I understand its purpose correctly. Anyway, apologies for the rant, but if you care to help, please look at the two articles I have created for these two historical figures, in particular the amount of research and footnotes for the article for Allen B. Reed and what this destructive person, who knows nothing about the subject matter, has no constructive input, but has done to show his or her "power" by defacing it with lots of "cute" tags to frankly, vandalize the post. Sorry for the ramble, but I believe you have an understanding of the situation now. Regards, from user "barnabywoods"-- sorry I don't know how to do these messages, if you reply to me, please make it as simple as possible in terms of how I can access and read your message. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Barnabywoods (talk • contribs) 02:49, 14 October 2012 (UTC) The time is 0249 14 October 2012-- sorry, don't know how to put it in the code. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Barnabywoods (talk • contribs) 02:55, 14 October 2012 (UTC)
 * No, it's not one individual- it's a multitude of experienced editors who came across two Wikipedia articles that are failing on several fronts. The subjects of these articles simply are not notable, as they mention vessels these military officers served aboard and who these people had minimal with and then the articles would go into tangents of detail about what these other subjects have that its notable, while failing to dictate their own personal relevance. The reason they are doing this is not because they are going after your articles, but because they are failing Wikipedia articles. The thing is, whatever you write is not your property, it's the property of Wikipedia and the benefit you have is of being acknowledged for helping create it in the backlogs, but that's it. As well written as the pages might be, they are out of the scope of what constitutes these individuals' notability. Also, while on the subject of personal attacks, how many times did you refer to this person as "unemployed", "pathetic" or an "oaf"? More importantly, why is that relevant? D arth B otto talk•cont 01:33, 14 October 2012 (UTC)
 * I have to say the assault on my religious beliefs dances on the border of a personal attack, and calling me a destructive bully is a personal attack. As I state on my user page (which Barnabywoods misquotes) "I am more concerned with keeping the articles I view within the guidelines than I am with bullying anyone."  As DarthBotto points out, there are multiple editors who have pointed out various ways the two articles in question do not match up to the site's policies and guidelines.  The way Barnabywoods is taking these edits so personally, and personally attacking me for it, leave me incapable of believing there aren't serious WP:OWN issues.  Ian.thomson (talk) 02:34, 15 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Barnabywoods, a lot of the content you prepared for Allen B. Reed was quite good and you shouldn't feel that it was a waste of time. I found that much of that content helped to reconstruct previously poor articles such as, United States occupation of Nicaragua, USS Albany (CL-23), USS Denver (CL-16) and provided additional information to various other articles that you can see in the Allen B. Reed: Revision history. What you prepared was a great service to Wikipedia for other articles that needed severe help. This point being that a lot of the content at Allen B. Reed was out of wp:scope. It is now honed down to focus on the biography itself. The questions we can now raise are: Is Allen B. Reed wp:notable? and... Are the sources that you provided wp:reliable? For me, I'm on the fence. I would like someone with more wikipedia experience than I, to determine how well those references are. Thanks,  &mdash;  Jason Sosa  03:34, 15 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Sorry, Aboutmovies, for having this discussion on your talk page. We just wanted to answer for ourselves. I have to agree that the content for Allen B. Reed does have some encyclopedic potential- we just have to trim it down to keep the context of the page reserved, that's all. Barnabywoods should not feel attacked by editors, but just needs to understand the intentions of keeping articles within their given scope, that's all. D arth B otto talk•cont 20:56, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

I think the only connection that Aboutmovies has to Barnabywoods is that Aboutmovies put a welcome template on Barnabywoods' user talk page. So this lengthy discussion might be better taken elsewhere, especially because it appears Aboutmovies isn't around to chime in. Valfontis (talk) 04:09, 15 October 2012 (UTC)

Rate
Hello, you recently rated the Yadira Silva article C, I would like to know why not B? I have requested a copy edit, but I do not think a C class rate is fair now. Thanks for your answer. Osplace 14:17, 15 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Same as before, while very well referenced, the grammar simply does not support a B classification:
 * Your prose: Silva was born 24 December 1985 in Unión de Reyes, Matanzas, Cuba.[1] She is 159 cm (5 ft 3 in) tall and weights 56 kilograms (120 lb).[2] Silva started in table tennis at the early age of 10 when her brother Maykel Silva Lorente took her to a table tennis club in Matanzas, Cuba. The next year she started in the Sporting Initial School and by the age of 13, she joined the Cuban High Performance Center and later win Cancun Open in 2002 with 16 years.[3] After arriving to Mexico in 2004, she acted as a trainer and qualified her pupils to the National Games in 2006.[3]
 * More proper English: Silva was born on 24 December 1985 in Unión de Reyes, Matanzas, Cuba.[1] She is 159 cm (5 ft 3 in) tall and weighs 56 kilograms (120 lb).[2] Silva started in table tennis at the early age of 10 when her brother Maykel Silva Lorente took her to a table tennis club in Matanzas, Cuba. The next year she enrolled at the Sporting Initial School and by the age of 13, she joined the Cuban High Performance Center and later won the Cancun Open in 2002 with at the age of 16 years .[3] After arriving to in Mexico in 2004, she acted worked as a trainer and her students qualified for the National Games in 2006.[3]
 * This is just one paragraph, but the same issues persist throughout the article. Aboutmovies (talk) 05:51, 16 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Ok, thanks. Osplace 18:27, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Amanda Marshall (attorney)
Graeme Bartlett (talk) 16:03, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for rating Maher v. Town Council of Portland
Really appreciate it! If you have the time and inclination, there are a few other law-related articles that I've started that need rating:

[[Joseph Guibord]
 * R. v. Coote
 * Dow v. Black

and a few that haven't been re-considered since I did some considerable work on them:


 * Guibord Case
 * Institut Canadien de Montréal

Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 21:35, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

Need Help in Revising Article on Nixon
Hi, Aboutmovies thanks for your previous help.

I'm revising the subsection on Richard Nixon about his involvement in Latin America. As it reads before my revision it implies that Nixon and his administration had no involvement in the 9/11 Coup in 1973 that overthrew Salvador Allende and installed Pinochet. Instead it only hints at allegations that are unproven.

Since 2000 we have a trove of declassified documents that conclusively prove US involvement. The reader is misled with the previous information and the record should be set straight. I changed the existing one paragraph to three paragraphs.

User Wehwalt reverted my changes saying 'way overemphasis'. I think the information is vital for readers to know and that the overthrow of a democratically elected government, destruction of a country's economy, and imprisonment and torture of thousands of Chilean citizens is not overemphasis. I'm willing to cut down the length if required, but the earlier info glosses over a serious chapter of US covert action with grievous consequences.

What do you suggest if Wehwalt and I get into a revert war? I'm not used to the talk pages as I'm still fairly new. Do I first add a section on his page, or on the Nixon page to try to resolve the situation? Finally, if we cannot agree how can I appeal to a moderator?

Thanks very much for your help. Veritas Aeterna (talk) 06:46, 24 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Take it to the talk page for the article, that way you and the other interested editors can see it. If you can not work things out, there is an option to request a third opinion. Aboutmovies (talk) 06:14, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

Library stubs
Since you chimed in on the Multnomah County Library talk page... Feel free to comment if you wish. -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 19:35, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Hillsboro Hops
The DYK project (nominate) 00:06, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Colt Lyerla
Graeme Bartlett (talk) 16:02, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

Radio Station Clarification
Hi Aboutmovies,

The reason the data was removed from the KQRZ page was because the FCC never authorized the station to transmit on 96.3 MHz. Therefore, the information is inaccurate. The original frequency for the allocation was in fact for that frequency. However, at the time Heritage applied for the license in 2001 they were in competition with 3 other applicants for that frequency. Then, in 2006 the 96.3 allocation was taken over by a full power FM station application in West Linn (still pending with the FCC). Full power stations can bump LP stations off frequency. This is what happened before KQRZ ever even signed on the air. The 96.3 application does show up on the FCC Query. But, you need to look at all of the other pending "Records" under KQRZ-LP to clearly quote the history accurately. Quite frankly the entire history of the frequency and transmitter changes is convoluted to document and is not that relevant to make history of.

Also, the current transmitter location is accurately documented in the Reference (1) in the last FCC Record. Therefore, the generalized location information noting "Copper Mt" in the body of the article you added was removed, as being redundant and too generalized. All the reader has to do is look at the FCC Reference and the transmitter location can be pinpointed easily.

Hope that clarifies the changes that I made. let me know if you have other questions I may be able to clarify. I am not trying to take ownership of this. Just wanted it to be accurate. 71.236.162.31 (talk) 07:51, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Salem Senators
Graeme Bartlett (talk) 16:03, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/The Role You Were Born to Play
I believe I have addressed your concerns on the hook sourcing and facts. Please let me know if there's anything more I need to do. Thanks for taking on the review. BlueMoonset (talk) 21:11, 10 November 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Eid Passport
The DYK project (nominate) 16:02, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

Counting WP:ORE DYKs by year
I noticed you've been adding yearly totals to the WikiProject Oregon/DYK page, which is useful, but it raises the following question: Should not double-new-article hooks be counted as 2 DYKs, since each of two different articles both got a DYK? If you made a conscious decision to count only the total number of hooks, then fine. Otherwise, I calculate a total of 78 for 2011, for example, rather than 74, because four hooks had two DYK-qualifying articles (on 4/15, 6/12, 12/3 and 12/22). I don't feel strongly one way or the other, but wanted to know your thoughts on this. The page's introduction refers several times to "articles", and never to "hooks" or "main page appearances", and the number of articles that were DYKs in 2011 (e.g.) was 78. (You can reply here.) SJ Morg (talk) 11:22, 26 November 2012 (UTC)
 * I just counted hooks simply for ease and speed. I just highlighted the section and did the add numbered list formatting and then previewed and used the number at the end. Fast and simple. If you want to add up the actual number of articles, go for it, I don't really care either way either. I was mainly looking to see our patterns over the years, and just the number of hooks shows our rapid decline the last few years. Aboutmovies (talk) 05:59, 27 November 2012 (UTC)
 * OK, thanks for replying. I probably won't bother to adjust any, since that might require stating a definition of how the totals are reached, and since it's not worth spending much time on.  Having totals by year is useful, though, and even ones that are approximate (and only arguably so) are just fine for the intended purpose.  SJ Morg (talk) 06:19, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Ridgeview High School (Redmond, Oregon)
Hello! Your submission of Ridgeview High School (Redmond, Oregon) at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Rosiestep (talk) 23:14, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Oregon State Penitentiary
Graeme Bartlett (talk) 00:02, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

MILB template deletion discussion
Hi, AM. You might be interested to know that the template Infobox Defunct MiLB (Alternate) has been nominated for deletion. I've used it in two articles you worked on (you created one of them, Salem Senators), because it appears to be the only way to suppress the team logo fields, and I think it thereby improves the appearance of their infoboxes. I have no particular interest in baseball, so I won't be upset if the template ends up being deleted, but personally I feel it's useful and worth keeping. Whether you agree or not, I figured you might like to know about the proposed deletion. SJ Morg (talk) 17:09, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
 * By the way, I suspect that the creation of the template was not quite carried out right (or not completed, at least) from a technical standpoint, but I don't know anything about that aspect of WP templates. I would hope that someone who knows about that would fix those issues, rather than delete the template, if there's agreement that it's a useful template. SJ Morg (talk) 17:14, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

Gnar Tapes
Thanks for helping legitimize the page and removing the deletion tag! I was having a hard time establishing notability. Feel free to delete this whenever you see it, I just wanted to say thank you.

Davidradosevic (talk) 18:36, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

Thanks!
Thanks for the introduction! Space Scares Me (talk) 08:13, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Ridgeview High School (Redmond, Oregon)
Graeme Bartlett (talk) 16:03, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

Numero uno driving school ltd
Thank you for your email regarding the deletion of the article. Would you be kind enough to tell us why it was removed. Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.170.85.90 (talk) 11:59, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

DYK for News-Times (Forest Grove)
Graeme Bartlett (talk) 00:03, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Forest Grove Leader
Graeme Bartlett (talk) 00:03, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

Ways to improve Kryptiq
Hi, I'm Senator2029. Aboutmovies, thanks for creating Kryptiq!

I've just tagged the page, using our page curation tools, as having some issues to fix. This article relies largely or entirely upon a single source: Portland Business Journal. The hometown newspaper is is acceptable, but sources which can show the company's significance on national scale would be better.

The tags can be removed by you or another editor once the issues they mention are addressed. If you have questions, you can leave a comment on my talk page. Or, for more editing help, talk to the volunteers at the Teahouse.


 * Senator, your excellency, this is ridiculous. The article contains plenty of sources. I have reverted your tag. I don't know if you bothered to look at the article before tagging it, but you should. -Pete (talk) 05:13, 15 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Furthermore, can you cite to me the requirement for a need for "significance on national scale". While newer editors often have a misconception that notability needs to be national or international, the push for such as guideline failed many years ago, but I'm open to you showing me the criteria within the GNG. And generally, coverage over a decade by a variety of different authors from the same newspaper would not be considered a single source. Not to mention, The Oregonian is also used, and the PBJ is not the hometown paper, that would be the Hillsboro Argus or the Beaverton Valley-Times (depending on the year), and neither of those is used. The PBJ is the regional business only paper. Aboutmovies (talk) 05:20, 15 December 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the Welcome!
Hello, Abyssopelagic here, thanks so much for writing to me.

Er, have I made errors? I am new, and I will be happy to learn to correct myself. It looks as though you have a great page. Thanks again!Abyssopelagic 10:36, 23 December 2012 (UTC) Abyssopelagic — Preceding unsigned comment added by Abyssopelagic (talk • contribs)

Happy Christmas!
Thank you for the Welcome ! DacotaNash (talk) 08:08, 26 December 2012 (UTC)

Oregon roads importance assessments
I saw your discussion on WT:ORE about reassessing project importances. With regards to roads, it appears you've copied what we at USRD generally do. But if you find an article that would be High-Importance at WP:ORE and is Mid-Importance at WP:USRD feel free to harmonize the importances across the two projects; you won't find any objection for the roads project. –Fredddie™ 16:29, 26 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Will do. Aboutmovies (talk) 07:07, 27 December 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for the welcoming
Thank you very much for welcoming me. I'm from Thailand so i usually spend most of my time in the Thai Wiki. --Applezapotis (talk) 09:56, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Sonrise Church
Hello! Your submission of Sonrise Church at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! BlueMoonset (talk) 20:54, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

FCI Sheridan
I do not understand why you reverted my changes to this article. I appropriately sourced everything and explained all my edits. MDEVER802 (talk) 04:35, 7 January 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Sonrise Church
Orlady (talk) 08:08, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

help me
New and needing assistance placing a picture on my article. I find it becoming too complicated as a new person and would really appreciate someone steppling in for me on this one. I have a nice picture for my article.

2InsaneJane (talk) 16:22, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia edit-thon: Saturday, February 9, 2013
Hope to see you there! -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 16:35, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

Beonna of East Anglia
5 years later, I've updated the article as you have suggested in the talk page. There's a bit more information added as well, if you're interested. Hel-hama (talk) 08:36, 21 January 2013 (UTC)

I do not understand why ...
my entry on this page was removed -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oregon_State_University Cjevansaicp (talk) 07:24, 23 January 2013 (UTC)cjevansaicp

Roe Ethridge
Hi Aboutmovies - If you are still interested, I have finished the first draft of this article. Thanks.-- Nixie9 ✉ 15:49, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

New to user pages
Hi Aboutmovies, thanks for creating my user page for me. I've been contributing for a while when I can and am new to the user pages part of wikipedia. It's a little overwhelming, really. Where do people come up with lists, badges, awards, etc. Like the native speaker of English thing I put on my page, I just copied from someone else. Is that ok? — Preceding unsigned comment added by B.deluca (talk • contribs) 00:51, 26 January 2013 (UTC)

Cut & paste moves
Hello. I see you started the article Portland Thorns on 14 December, then redirected the existing Portland Thorns FC article to your new one. I'm sure you're aware this was effectively a cut & paste move. If you wish to move an existing article to a new title (or accidentally create a new article when one already exists), you need to move the old article using either the move tab or via the WP:RM process. Cheers, Number   5  7  15:15, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
 * If you read the debate in its entirety, you'll see that two editors supported the move, in addition to the proposer, whilst there were no opposing votes.
 * You might also want to stop starting your responses to other editors with "Ummm", as it only serves to antagonise people and won't exactly contribute to a positive debate. Number   5  7  08:40, 30 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Ummmm, that's the point. When people do stupid things (edits/comments), they get an ummm. But thanks for addressing the policy based reasoning, you know, where its not a !vote, which I would have thought you knew given you are an admin. And thanks for addressing the copy & paste thing too. Aboutmovies (talk) 15:54, 30 January 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Morton M. McCarver
Lord Roem ~ (talk) 00:02, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

A kitten for you!
Thanks for the welcome!

Ballerina battlearena (talk) 06:35, 3 February 2013 (UTC) 

DYK for Omega Morgan
Materialscientist (talk) 16:03, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

Heritage (Astrofaes album)
Hello, and thanks for tagging this for notability. The tag's still there 5 years later; you could take it to the Notability Noticeboard or AfD, or make it a redirect, or remove the tag if you are no longer concerned. Best wishes, Boleyn (talk) 21:36, 6 February 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for the welcome :)
Thank you for the welcome Aboutmovies - much appreciated! I will make sure I read all the stuff you sent me instead of plowing in like I usually do without knowing what I am doing. So in trying to be useful and learn at WP, I have started with mainly adding wiki links to pages that are on the list for work and providing citations if I know something about the subject. Bye and thanx --SistaSu (talk) 20:15, 4 March 2013 (UTC)

File:Napoleonic Wars War of the Fourth Coalition.png
Hello Thanks for the introduction at my talk page. There you said you would be happy to help if I had questions. Now here I am asking you to help. The file mentioned in the headline has two (that I am aware of, maybe more) errors. First, the years of this war are 1806-1807, so Louisiana was by this time part of the United States (since 1803). On the map, however, it is shown as controlled by Spain. Second, Haiti was by this time independent (since 1804). However, it is shown as still controlled by France. I was wondering if you could fix these errors? If not, could you show me how to go about it? Thanks, King Philip V of Spain (talk) 15:21, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

Oh, thanks to visit my page.
hello. i'm Choi Hyun Hee. i started wikipedia few days ago, so i don't know much about wikipedia. i'm learning wikipedia in university lecture. anyway, thank you!

Thanks for the Welcome
Thank you, Aboutmovies, for the kind welcome. My talk page is new, but I've been around Wikipedia for a few years. I see we share a few common interests -- Oregon, Liberia, the law -- though I'm an infrequent editor. Goldfish-silverfish (talk) 16:52, 12 March 2013 (UTC)

Suggested name change to Orders, decorations, and medals of New Zealand
I have suggested changing the name of page Orders, decorations, and medals of New Zealand to New Zealand Royal Honours System and see that you've edited this page in the past. Do you have an opinion on this change? Talk Page Karl Stephens (talk) 14:06, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

Modo misinformation
Please explain why you deleted corrections to the Modo Inc page. Modo is owner managed. Modo does not own or rent any premises apart from one small office in Hillsboro. All manufacturing is subcontracted. I know this as fact.

Best regards — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.231.0.38 (talk) 12:13, 19 March 2013 (UTC)
 * If you can't read, then please don't edit. If you can read, read the note on what I would assume is one of your talk pages. Correction are fine, defamation and unsourced content are not, and if the later are added I will throw the baby out with the bathwater. Aboutmovies (talk) 14:34, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free media (File:Montserrado County Liberia.png)
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re Allen Frances article
Hi,

I'm wondering how it rates a "C" with the multiple problems and POV it has. Star767 20:53, 1 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Perhaps you should review what C class is: "The article is substantial, but is still missing important content or contains much irrelevant material. The article should have some references to reliable sources, but may still have significant problems or require substantial cleanup." That is, as you point out, it "may still have significant problems or require substantial cleanup", which is why it is C, and not B. Aboutmovies (talk) 06:24, 2 April 2013 (UTC)
 * OK, I didn't realize the standards for "C" were so low. My bad. I did clean it up and commented out the really objectionable. Thanks. Star767 13:21, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

Reminiscing
Hello! You know I was looking at my early edits and noticed you were the first person to welcome me to Wikipedia. I offer you belated thanks! On another note, have you heard of this new project? Yo might be interested. Regards, FoCuSandLeArN (talk) 16:49, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

Georges Lecointe (explorer) rating
Hey Aboutmovies,

thanks for rating the Georges Lecointe article. This is the first wikipedia article I've ever started, and wondered if you could give me some hints to improve it further. Thanks! (talk) 17:10, 5 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Its a very good start for a first article, very well referenced. What it needs to go further is expansion. A good article would have more about his life beyond the Antarctic exploration, as the article is a biography. So if you made the early life and later life sections about three times as big, then you would have a well-rounded biography. At that point you would need to expand the lede section to match, but you would basically be at the Good Article standard. Happy editing. Aboutmovies (talk) 23:46, 5 April 2013 (UTC)
 * That's very helpful indeed, thanks for the encouragement!  (talk) 09:46, 6 April 2013 (UTC)

About Bodelwyddan Article
Hey there. Thanks for sending me a welcome.

If you feel like having a quick look, I opened a Peer Review for Bodelwyddan just before your welcome, and was wondering if you might want to give the article a quick looking over, even if not a full review? It's my first major change and before continuing to make more, I'd like to make sure I'm doing everything in the correct style. Korlus (talk) 23:24, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

Hiding banners in the Sandbox
Sorry if my sandbox was causing problems. I didn't realize the banners would populate my sandbox into the banner categories. I thought it only worked for real article talk pages. Is there anyway I can make the banners visible to me in my sandbox without making them visible to everyone else? I'm working on a couple articles and I want them there as a reminder of things I need to add to articles as I go along, but I'll probably forget to do it if I don't actually see them in the display preview. Thanks! Vojen (talk) 18:10, 19 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I just did one option, but it still places it in a certain category since those banners are meant for talk pages. Another option is to do this: Temaplte name but the banner will only show as a link instead of all the graphics. Aboutmovies (talk) 07:22, 20 April 2013 (UTC)

Florida State Road 444 Proposed for Deletion
I noticed this today: Florida State Road 444 Gamweb (talk) 21:56, 21 April 2013 (UTC)

AFD discussion
Hello, as you have contributed to articles related to the Portland Thorns and the NWSL, you are invited to join this discussion at:


 * Articles for deletion/Adelaide Gay

Thank you. Hmlarson (talk) 00:56, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

Hemu's Caste
Could you please continue discussions on Talk Page of Hemu.Sudhirkbhargava (talk) 05:31, 9 May 2013 (UTC)

Barometer (sculpture)
Thanks for taking a look at the article. I was actually not sure whether or not the sculpture had been installed, so I tried to keep the wording somewhat ambiguous until further confirmation. Please feel free to keep an eye on the article, or even assist with its expansion, if you are interested (I am posting sources on the talk page). I thought you might chime in on this Hillsboro-related article! :) I have been focusing on public art lately, and I think there will be enough content to promote the article to Good status once completed. -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 15:34, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

Designated in categories
Similar categories were removed wholesale from articles a month ago and deleted. --Rschen7754 05:28, 17 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Please see . --Rschen7754 05:30, 17 May 2013 (UTC)

Health & Morals of Apprentices Act 1802
Hello! Thanks for rating this article. I was just interested to know why it got a C-class rating? What more do you think needs adding? I was planning to put this forward for good review and would really like your advice on how to get it to that standard. Thanks very much :) Staceydolxx (talk) 21:24, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
 * It's a really nice article, and the issues are minor. The main item that stuck out is the background section squeezes text between the graphical items (e.g. between the picture and infobox), which should be avoided - and is an easy fix. The other item is that in that same section you have bullet points. Besides the fact that we prefer prose over lists, and that bullet points also are best left to areas such as the see also area or other list spots, another issue is the placement along the left-aligned image. It's just one of those things that looks odd (display will obviously vary from computer to computer) and should be avoided - another reason why we avoid bullet points. Otherwise, you may also want to ensure you have citations to particular pages throughout. I noticed for instance one footnote is to "A History Of Factory Legislation" which appears to be a ~320 page book. Usually you want to direct the reader to the individual page for the source. But again, very minor details for an otherwise nice article. Aboutmovies (talk) 21:33, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

Integra Telecom
Hi Aboutmovies,

I am not an employee of Integra, and I certainly want the page updates to be accurate and unbiased. I would like to make some updates to the Services and Electric Lightwave sections, so that it is more current. Would you prefer I send to you before hand for review and revision? How best should I do that?

Thank you!

Integra2013 (talk) 00:09, 23 May 2013 (UTC)Integra2013 May 22, 2013


 * No need to run them by me first, but do review Wikipedia's five pillars to ensure you understand what is and what is not acceptable in the way of content. You might also review the Manual of Style. Lastly, you need to change your username, as a username cannot be that of a company. Aboutmovies (talk) 14:32, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

Thank you...
... for reviewing Robert van Scoyk and adding disambiguation categories.

I've been here for a while but need help with editing, especially in finding information; I have trouble wading through administrative pages that don't lead to the information needed. For example, I want to add an Academy Award Category tag to James Hill (British director) as well as "born in Yorkshire", but cannot find a list of category tags.

May I consult you whenever I run up against a brick wall? Cheers! Shir-El too  11:16, 25 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Sure, feel free to post here. The easiest way to locate categories is to find an article about a similar person/thing and then copy as needed. Aboutmovies (talk) 05:18, 28 May 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I regularly copy formats when I can find them; the trouble starts when I want to break new ground. For example: the en.wiki article on Jean-François Champollion is woefully deficient compared to the fr.wiki (i.e. no mention that his older brother was an archaeologist!). I want to translate selected portions of the latter into the former. (a) What do I put in the edit summary? (b) How do I link/reference those sections? And is there an alphabetical list of categories NOT by subject but by text ("People born in Yorkshire", for example). Very truly yours: Perplexed. Shir-El too  14:26, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

Recent edits on football/soccer articles
Hey. I've skimmed through quite a few soccer artices and I noticed that while your adding Category:Soccer players from *which ever state they're from*, you're also removing Category:American soccer players. Now I don't have a problem with you adding Soccer players from *whereever*, but I would suggest you stop removing American soccer players from every page. – Michael (talk) 02:36, 1 June 2013 (UTC)
 * You'll need to discuss this on WT:FOOTY. – Michael (talk) 05:34, 1 June 2013 (UTC)
 * No, I don't. If some WikiProject has an issue, it needs to take it to WP:CAT or start a CfD or RfC. "FOOTY" don't own cats and don't control anything but their project space, no more than WikiProject Biography owns these articles that are about people and thus part of that project (or WikiProject United States that many of the articles would also be a part of). In other words, these articles do not belong to any WikiProject and thus WikiProjects do not control the articles. There is clear consensus for my edits, as covered in a Wikipedia-wide guideline. That is to say, if the WikiProject wants to change consensus, the onus is on them. Aboutmovies (talk) 05:42, 1 June 2013 (UTC)
 * Fine, I'll start a discussion myself because if I'm not allowed to add both categories, then Category:American soccer players by state and its subcats should be deleted. – Michael (talk) 15:08, 1 June 2013 (UTC)

Precious
  Oregon categories

Thank you for quality articles on people and places of Oregon, such as Charles L. McNary and Oregon Supreme Court, for starting categories and populating them, such as Category:Hochschule für Musik und Tanz Köln, and for I realizing "that consensus can be wrong", - you are an awesome Wikipedian!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:21, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

Hi again: need your help on a different matter...
When linking Paul L. Smith to Moses the Lawgiver I found "someones" had added a long arhaeo-historical discussion on Moses and removed the Infobox. Is there somewhere to list this article for watching or someone to notify? Thank you! Shir-El too  15:34, 9 June 2013 (UTC) PS found the "catbot"! Cheers! Shir-El too  15:35, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

Thanks!
Hi and thanks for the welcome. As it happens I have been an editor for a number of years - as Fishiehelper2 - but a computer issue meant I had to re-enter my password...and I discovered I had forgotten it.

Any advice on how to get back to my old account would be appreciated. Regards Fishiehelper5 (talk) 18:55, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

Portland "Wiknic" 2013!
Hope you are able to attend! -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 22:45, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free image File:PeaceHealth logo.png
 Thanks for uploading File:PeaceHealth logo.png. The image description page currently specifies that the image is non-free and may only be used on Wikipedia under a claim of fair use. However, the image is currently not used in any articles on Wikipedia. If the image was previously in an article, please go to the article and see why it was removed. You may add it back if you think that that will be useful. However, please note that images for which a replacement could be created are not acceptable for use on Wikipedia (see our policy for non-free media).

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Barometer
Thanks for uploading an image of the sculpture! Looks great! -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 14:41, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

Nonexistent category
I undid your category change to Mike McCoy (baseball), then saw that you also made the same change to other articles. It seems that you generally know what you're doing, so please go back and take a look at these. Happy editing! Chris <font color="#060">the speller <font color="#900">yack  16:27, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for your welcome greetings!
Thanks a lot for your welcome greetings and greetings! Even when I'm here since a lot of time, it's incredible, but you're the first human being to write a direct message to me... in English, I did just minor touches here and there, what becomes franky ironic your message considering that actually I'm editing Spanish all the time! :)

Regards,

--Tarkus69 (talk) 01:20, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

Category:Hochschule für Musik und Tanz Köln alumni: Revision history
Hi there. You created this category a month ago, and probably populated it soon after, but it seems to be a duplicate for Category:Cologne University of Music alumni. Both categories point to the same school. Many of the alumni have now two categories meaning the same thing. I thought of proposing a merger, but since you're probably the only person who has added this category to articles, it seemed easier just to alert you. Afasmit (talk) 08:14, 5 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I noticed that after I had populated most of it. I had not gone back as I didn't want to deal with the hassle of argue which name it should be under, but they do need to be merged. In my experience some people get really attached to the names, especially when it is one such as this where it is between using an English name and the one in its native language. My preference, and I think standard protocol, is for the category name to match the article name, so I think the cats I made should be the name now. I think if I recall correctly, the article itself was originally under the English name, and then moved to its current name without changing the cat name. Of course, the bigger issue is the article name, which I believe should be the English name with the German name redirected. Which if that is done, then the cat structure I set up should be moved, with the alumni cat then merged.
 * As a side note, this is also why I advocate that a school level cat should also always be created when an alumni cat exists. Aboutmovies (talk) 18:08, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

"picnic area at Tualatin River National Wildlife Refuge"
This is not intended to be a public picnic area. It is an Environmental Education shelter. While it is true that the area is often used by individuals or families to rest and, perhaps refresh themselves after a walk on the Refuge trails, advertising it as a public picnic area is not appropriate. Gatherings at the Refuge require prior permission from FWS Staff. Please respect this special place where the well being of wildlife comes first 24.21.178.162 (talk) 14:56, 13 July 2013 (UTC)Cheryl Hart, President, Friends of Tualatin River National Wildlife Refuge
 * You know, we have something on Wikipedia we call assume good faith, and civility. Coming to my talk page to make an accusation is rather "not appropriate" and I might even say dis"respectful". First, no one advertised it as such, only labeled it as such. Secondly, the refuge is a public place, as in owned by the government, a government for the people, by the people, etc.. In other words, every thing that goes on there is "public". Next, if the general public is not allowed to use it as such, I actually have a serious problem with that as a taxpayer. This shelter is not a private place and generally speaking a government entity such as the FWS should not being acting as "arbitrary, capricious, an abuse of discretion" and they way you are coming across makes it come across as a bit arbitrary. My personal view on public spaces such as this is that you want more people out at these natural places in order for them to engage and appreciate the natural landscape, which would include encouraging groups of all types - not just school field trips - to visit. Limiting a structure likely paid for by tax dollars (in whole or in part) to only certain groups to me is arbitrary and an abuse of discretion, but that's my legal view and is not intended as legal advise to anyone. Lastly, and this ties into the civility and good faith Wikipedia rules, is that coming onto my talk page in such a confrontational manner not only is improper by Wikipedia standards, but does not make you or your group look good. Do you really want your group to come across as some crusading, angry group of people hell-bent on your world view? If it is, mission accomplished. If your goal is to encourage participation at a place you would seemingly love, then you have accomplished nothing but an epic fail. As a child you may have heard the phrase you catch more flies with honey, and this applies here. A simple message to the effect of "Hey, I see you uploaded a picture of the Environmental Education shelter at TRNWR and I wanted to let you know the actual name and the general purpose" would have gotten a far different response from me then what you have otherwise solicited. As it is, the description is not inaccurate, just incomplete. It is a group picnic area, it just has another primary purpose. A respectful message here to begin with would have led to productive dialog, instead of you coming across as if you own this public facility. Aboutmovies (talk) 04:28, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:Infobox garden
Template:Infobox garden has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:30, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

Nomination of 2013 Hillsboro Hops season for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article 2013 Hillsboro Hops season is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Articles for deletion/2013 Hillsboro Hops season until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

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Bruce Jenner
I've got to question your revision to Bruce Jenner. Yes he WAS a sportsperson, yes he now lives near Los Angeles, but at the time he was a sportsperson, there are a number of places he could say he was from. . . Mt. Kisco, New York (where he grew up), Lamoni, Iowa (where he went to college) and San Jose, California (where he trained); Los Angeles was not one of them. He walked out of the Olympic Stadium in 1976, with a gold medal and world record but without his poles for vaulting, never to compete again. Then he went to Hollywood to be a movie and TV star - a celebrity. Trackinfo (talk) 07:17, 21 July 2013 (UTC)
 * You are misunderstanding the by city categories. They are not "this person did this in this city" they are simply moving people down into the subcats based on their residence in the city and then by whatever occupation made them notable, not necessarily an intersection. As in, he was already in a sportsperson category and then he was in the LA category, so he can properly be moved into the subcategory. Much like many of the others in the Sportspeople from LA were simply born in LA, but became professional athletes (and thus notable) elsewhere. Aboutmovies (talk) 07:27, 21 July 2013 (UTC)

Hillsboro Ballpark
Here

The lede says- "The new ball field is located next to Hillsboro Stadium, a multi-sport stadium owned by the city of Hillsboro, with both stadiums located inside the city's Gordon Faber Recreation Complex."

Then the history section paragraph one reads- "The league and city then started discussions around September 2011 about Hillsboro building a stadium in the city’s Gordon Faber Recreation Complex near Sunset Highway"

Then the history section paragraph two reads- "Hillsboro proposed to build a four to six thousand seat ballpark adjacent to Hillsboro Stadium at the Faber Complex, with plans to open for the 2013 season"

The part I removed- "Located in the northeastern part of town near the Sunset Highway, it is adjacent to Hillsboro Stadium, which was designed to host football, soccer, and lacrosse."

Obviously the part I remove is a third mention of the same thing and second time in the body of the article. What goes on at the other stadium isn't relevant to the paragraph or the article....William 20:41, 1 August 2013 (UTC)
 * We'll have to agree to disagree. You see, as your synopsis above shows, the highway is not in the lede. The history section does not say it was actually built there, does it? See Portland Beavers Ballpark as to why it would be good to mention where the thing actually was built. Then, the GFRC is mentioned in the lede, and then the history section, but a not a third time. Again, for it to be in the lede (which is intended as a summary) it needs to be in the body. Which takes us to the Hillsboro Stadium part. As with my first point, the history section does not say it was in fact built by the stadium, only proposed. So again, probably best that is covered, and again, it needs to be in the body before it can be in the lede. Lastly, I think it is quite relevant to mention that both stadiums can also host soccer and lacrosse, don't you think? Seriously, they share a concourse and concession stands and seat a few thousand people each and cost a fair amount in public money, and both can host many of the same sports. Even the architectural style is the same with concrete and white steel. Generally when two stadiums are at the same location, the proximately is often mentioned multiple times throughout the article. Here, given the relatively regional profile for both facilities, I think an added mention as to what the other stadium is primarily for makes sense. If you look through the history of this article and as to what links here you will find some early confusion, as an article or two linked to the football stadium instead of here, or vice versa, so covering it here helps to avoid the confusion. Further, making it clear in this article as to what Hillsboro Stadium is used for is comprehensive and "places the subject in context". Aboutmovies (talk) 06:28, 2 August 2013 (U

golf course template edit
Can you look here ? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Infobox_golf_facility

golf course template edit
Can you look here ? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Infobox_golf_facility — Preceding unsigned comment added by Segodno (talk • contribs) 13:50, 6 August 2013 (UTC)

Palm Springs people & category listing question
Thanks so very much for your work on categorizing the people from Palm Springs. I haven't figured out how to use HotCat, so I've left it alone (for too long). In case you didn't know, there are two lists of people related to Palm Springs. See Palm Springs Walk of Stars and List of people from Palm Springs, California. (I hope this helps in your category drive.) With these list articles in mind, please tell me if it is proper to include them (the two lists) in the mayors, salespeople, writers, etc. categories? I'll look here for your answer. (Thanks again!) – S. Rich (talk) 05:41, 7 August 2013 (UTC)
 * The list of people from foo is usually kept in the main category and not also in any of the occupation level subcats. I saw the Walk of Stars article in the category listing, but did not look at it until now. Generally that sort of article would not be in a people category, but if it remains the sort key should be changed to be listed at the top of the cat. FYI, I'm all done on diffusing the category, as generally speaking I shoot for a minimum of ten articles before starting a subcat. Aboutmovies (talk) 06:42, 7 August 2

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Thanks
Thanks for your welcome! I hope I will help translating some articles. — Preceding unsigned comment added by NicoAguerre (talk • contribs) 07:32, 9 August 2013 (UTC)

golf course template edit
Can you look here ? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Infobox_golf_facility
 * How about you ask 25 more times. Seriously, take it easy, Rome was not built in a day and we usually let things simmer to allow time for input by a variety of people to ensure proper vetting and multiple viewpoints. Aboutmovies (talk) 05:22, 8 August 2013 (UTC)

Category:Politicians from San Diego, California
Thanks for the new categories; I have been adding articles to them also. But I think you should not remove "politicians from San Diego", as you did at Brian Maienschein, just because there is a City Council category. In a case like Maienschein, he is more than a city council member; he is also in the state assembly - and the state assembly tag does not specify San Diego. So IMO we need all three categories (city council, assembly, politician from San Diego) for someone like him who is more than a city council member. What do you think about that logic? --MelanieN (talk) 04:32, 20 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Same with Ben Hueso and Christine Kehoe. They are former city council members, but also politicians at a higher level, which I think needs to be reflected in their categories. --MelanieN (talk) 04:39, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

Wiki Takes Portland 2013!
-- Another Believer ( Talk ) 16:53, 1 September 2013 (UTC)

Photo in WW
I don't know whether you read Willamette Week on a regular basis, but you might like to pick up a copy of the current edition (from August 28) if you haven't already seen it, because of this. WW has used four or five of my photos to date, but only one (of the Galleria) was used in the print edition. Of course, the size of reproduction is tiny (about 2 inches by 1.3 inches!), but proper credit was given to you, and use in the newspaper's print edition carries a little more cachet than online use. Cheers, SJ Morg (talk) 06:26, 2 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Congrats! Technically I think they also are supposed to name the license and provide a URL, unless you've made a special agreement with them…but, cool to see your photo getting put to good use. -Pete (talk) 06:47, 2 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Aboutmovies (talk) 21:41, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

Check article
Can you check my article? Article's name is Veron(Software). Is this article satisfy Wikipedia's notability guidelines ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Faisal6545 (talk • contribs) 09:30, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

Requesting a favor
Might you be willing and able to add coordinates for this newly-promoted good article? It is California-related, but once in a while I get outside of Oregon and write about other things too! Any assistance would be much appreciated. -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 16:17, 9 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Done. Aboutmovies (talk) 14:33, 10 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank you much. -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 14:57, 10 September 2013 (UTC)

Unknown Movie
Hello Aboutmovies there is this movie I once watched but I don't remember the name. Its about a guy at high school who stays in the same science class with a girl, the girl has a boyfriend but he kinda have his way through and the girl breaks up with her guy... During a certain science project the guy told the teacher to make the girl his partner, this is done, so later the guy stops coming to school, making the girl look worried and then asked the teacher all the man could say was "I knew this wasn't a good idea"... Lilbensace (talk) 19:00, 9 September 2013 (UTC)
 * I have no idea. Aboutmovies (talk) 14:33, 10 September 2013 (UTC)

Removing Category:Colorado lawyers in favor of Category:Lawyers from Denver, Colorado
Please stop doing this. Bar admission is done by state governments, and so these "[State] lawyers" categories are not merely where someone is from, but where someone was actually licensed to practice and/or did actually practice. So the two options are to include the articles in both categories (though that could just end up confusing as to what each means), or to delete the city-specific place of origin category for lawyers. postdlf (talk) 15:22, 14 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Sorry, but while bar admission is to an extent by state (keep in mind we have federal bars as well), that would only affect the non-existent "attorneys from" categories. A lawyer is not required to be an attorney. While I know most treat them synonymously, there is a difference between attorney and lawyer, and lawyer requires no bar admission, thus your argument above is not relevant. To put it another way, every attorney is a lawyer, but not vice versa. Much as we place people who attended a college in the alumni cats even if they did not graduate, as alumni has a broader meaning than graduate. Aboutmovies (talk) 06:44, 15 September 2013 (UTC)
 * That distinction isn't intended or reflected in the category system, which instead relies upon the ordinary treatment of them as synonyms. And it's irrelevant anyway, because the intent is and has always been to tie the lawyer categories to where they actually practiced, just as the politician categories are based on where they actually held or ran for public office. That's why they have always been phrased "[State] lawyers", meaning a connection between their practice of law and that state, instead of the merely coincidental "Lawyers from [State]". That's even the description given in Category:Colorado lawyers (since its creation in 2006): "Lawyers mentioned in their article as practicing law in the state Colorado." postdlf (talk) 19:56, 19 September 2013 (UTC)
 * I disagree. For instance Fed judges are often added to the state lawyer cat tree, yet there is no requirement they even be a lawyer let alone allowed to practice in a particular jurisdiction. Further, I doubt too many people check the bar websites to see if someone is actually allowed to practice in a particular jurisdiction. Much like we long ago gave up on requiring alumni cats to be for grads only, it would simply be too difficult to verify. It might be really hard for those people who practiced before the modern bar associations. As it is, if an article were to say John Doe served as general counsel of Big Company in say Silicon Valley then people might add them to the CA lawyer cat even though the GC may not be a member of the bar. Why? Well, they are a lawyer in California, so the article supports their inclusion in the cat. Simply put, the category says lawyer, and the "criteria" at the top is contradictory, as lawyers do not practice law, attorneys do (or at least are eligible to practice). Aboutmovies (talk) 06:42, 20 September 2013 (UTC)
 * I know that's how you want to interpret these, you've said that already. But that's not how others interpret them or how they are used, that wasn't the intent when they were created, and that's not the description that's been given on the category pages for years (not just the Colorado one) or how the category names are phrased. If you'd like to change that, or to propose a parallel category structure, please start a discussion somewhere, such as at a Wikiproject, to get more input. postdlf (talk) 15:32, 20 September 2013 (UTC)
 * I strongly agree with User:Postdlf on this. Category:Colorado lawyers is basically shorthand for "Lawyers admitted to practice in Colorado". There is no bar in the United States where people are permitted to represent others (besides their own minor children) without being licensed to practice somewhere (even with respect to contesting a federal trademark filing). It may be that some is a lawyer from Denver, in the sense of being a lawyer somewhere, and having originally come from Denver, but this would not make them a "Colorado lawyer". bd2412  T 15:52, 20 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Comment It is not just bar admission is by state, it is also that each state had a body of law, which differs from other states, maybe not greatly, but the laws of each state are unique. Also, each state has its own court system. There is compelling reason to split lawyers by state. There is no strong reason to do it for smaller categories.John Pack Lambert (talk) 17:12, 24 September 2013 (UTC)
 * ALL: I'm not surprised all three of you agree with one-another, but that is hardly evidence this is how these cats work. Keep in mind that with expanded reciprocity, pro hoc vice, and the federal bars, the line has blurred considerably. Not to mention, what makes lawyers so different from all the other occupations? Again, lawyers does not equal attorneys, thus bar admission is not relevant. Again, I know you think the criteria at the top of the cat is controlling, but without even looking I came across an example where someone was improperly included in a cat if based on the criteria (Stanley Allen Bastian who is admitted to Oregon but there is no evidence he practiced there). I'm sure I could find more, as people are going to go with the common perception of the category without regard for the formal criteria someone placed when the cat was created. It would be interesting to know if we have other occupation level cats in which we require formal licensure (architects, engineers, doctors) before we place them in a cat? As it is, we generally do not. So, what I am going to do in the next few weeks is send this to CfD to see if we can get the lawyers cats re-named to match how we do the other occupation cats, which would be Lawyers from State. If you want to propose a sort-of parallel cat system using attorney and then require inclusion to include actual bar membership, have fun with that. Again, not something we usually do for other occupations. Aboutmovies (talk) 18:44, 24 September 2013 (UTC)
 * (to the extent it matters, Stanley Allen Bastian looks just to have been mistakenly categorized, given that he was in Category:Oregon lawyers when his article doesn't even state he had bar admission there let alone practice there, but not in Category:Washington (state) lawyers even though his article had plenty to say about him practicing there...I've since fixed that. postdlf (talk) 19:48, 24 September 2013 (UTC))
 * It's only a mistake to you. To me, he is a member of the Oregon Bar, so it was fine for him to be in there, and I think that is the common perception as shown by some other editor placing them in that cat. Of course, every example I could bring up, you would just say it is a mistake, but I posit it is simply a demonstration as to the common perception of how these cats work. Aboutmovies (talk) 05:05, 29 September 2013 (UTC)
 * We've offered you plenty of evidence and arguments that this is how these categories work. What evidence do you have to the contrary? You keep insisting on this ultimately irrelevant lawyer/attorney distinction, but you can point to nothing to show that the present category system intended to make that distinction, and the longstanding category description pages are rather persuausive to the contrary. So let's avoid wasting the time of a mass CFD by showing us your evidence that things are as you say they are and would be better off that way. Incidentally, User:BD2412 and I are lawyers. But more importantly, you seem to be determined to ignore the opinions of three other editors without substantiating why your sole opinion should get a heckler's veto. postdlf (talk) 19:08, 24 September 2013 (UTC)
 * It should also tell you something that all but one of the American "lawyers from [city]" categories were created by you, and relatively recently. postdlf (talk) 19:25, 24 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Congrats on being lawyers. Personally, I'm an attorney at law. As to three people, I disagree. Johnpacklambert is against all of these smaller cats for other reasons, not the attorney/lawyer distinction that is at issue here. Then as to you and BD2412, I consider you a tag-team partnership, so I really only count you as one - oddly that would be canvasing if this were AfD/CfD but always nice to ask friends instead of posting on all of the relevant talk pages to bring in unbiased opinions.
 * Now that we are done with the head count, I found it disheartening that you are simply dismissing my opinion based on ... what? I provided a single example I happened to come across that clearly shows not all editors follow the criteria, not to mention the earlier example of the federal judges being included when they do not need to be attorneys nor admitted to a particular bar. I'm sorry you can't follow what that means, so I will spell it out: Not everyone follows the criteria at the top, and instead people follow what the category says it is: an occupation who happens to be from a certain state. Again, we do not usually require membership in a particular "union" nor have a license from a particular government before we place people in an occupation category. For one thing, those become problematic when going back in time before modern licensing. Take for instance US lawyers, what should we do with those who practiced before statehood for the area they lived in? One example is Samuel Thurston, who is not in a lawyer cat, but should he be? Not to mention your argument would then kind of mean we need to get rid of Category:American lawyers since there really would be no such thing, as the Feds do not license, unless you want to reserve that for the federal court bars. As it is, that cat should only be a container cat per your definition, as in order for them to be in that cat they need to have been admitted to practice, which is done by state, so they should then be in the individual state cats. Unless you want to switch criteria between the American and state level cats. Hence the reason what the actual definition of lawyer is the better way to go.
 * Not to mention I already covered why it is best for Wikipedia to use the proper lawyer definition instead of going with what would be attorney. That was the point concerning why we place people in alumni category if they simply attended, and not just for graduates. Again to spell it out for you, this is because it is far easier to find sources that someone went to a particular school, less so to verify they graduated (which is someone else's reasoning many years ago). The same problem will exist for attorneys outside of the modern era.
 * So, before I go locate more, please let me know how many examples you want? That way we are clear.
 * Lastly, as an attorney, I do not think the distinction between attorney and lawyer is irrelevant, and neither would my bar association if a mere lawyer was practicing law in my jurisdiction. Aboutmovies (talk) 05:32, 25 September 2013 (UTC)
 * And now you're equivocating the unauthorized practice of law in a state where one is not admitted to the bar with what label one calls oneself while doing it. I'm admitted to practice in New York, where "lawyer" is treated synonymously with "attorney". See generally New York Rules of Professional Conduct. I happen to know User:BD2412 is a lawyer from a different state, which is one reason I asked if he had an opinion here (not because he's a mindless shill who just parrots whatever I tell him to). But the NY rules merely track the same usage of "lawyer" as someone licensed to practice law as the ABA model rules, so I'd be surprised if there was much variation between states on this anyway. And maintaining such a distinction would run against common lay usage, as every dictionary I can find also treats "lawyer" as a synonym for "attorney"; none define "lawyer" to "law school graduate who is not admitted to practice law". So what's your source for insisting otherwise? postdlf (talk) 20:52, 28 September 2013 (UTC)
 * I already told you my source long ago lawyer and attorney. Very simple, this is Wikipedia, so we use Wikipedia's definition, which the lawyer article includes a cite to Blacks. Same as we do for alumni, we use the Wikipedia definition, which is different than I think most people use the term for in the US where it usually means grad. I know I have had many people revert me over the years after placing someone in an alumni cat because the other editor says the person didn't graduate. Aboutmovies (talk) 22:37, 28 September 2013 (UTC)
 * PS if you need another source, my college Oxford American Dictionary (ISBN: 0-380-60772-7) makes the distinction as well. Aboutmovies (talk) 22:45, 28 September 2013 (UTC)
 * So I cite to state and model Rules of Professional Conduct and you cite to Wikipedia articles? In any event, the Black's Law Dictionary definition that opens lawyer defines it not merely as "a person learned in the law" (did you stop reading at that point?), but also "a person practicing law", and as embracing "attorney" and "counsel" (with counsel meaning "a lawyer or group of lawyers representing someone in court", according to the Oxford American Dictionary). Attorney at law says that in certain jurisdictions, it's "the official name for a lawyer" (emphasis added). Also, the Oxford American Dictionary first defines "attorney" as "a lawyer", and notes that "Attorney is a more formal word used for a lawyer and is used especially in job titles: district attorney" (emphasis added). And I've already showed you that both the State of New York and the American Bar Association use "lawyer" officially to mean someone licensed to practice law. As do other states: California ("'Lawyer' means a member of the State Bar of California..."), Pennsylvania ("A lawyer, as a member of the legal profession, is a representative of clients, an officer of the legal system and a public citizen having a special responsibility for the quality of justice."), New Jersey (using "lawyer" throughout state Rules of Professional Conduct), Illinois (same)... Perhaps your state is the only one that doesn't, where the general public would not be deceived by someone calling themselves a lawyer when they were not actually licensed to practice law, where you can proudly say without fear of sounding ridiculous, "I am not a lawyer; I am an attorney at law!" Please share the link to your state's rules so we can check it as well (unless it's Oregon, in which case I've already seen you're wrong there too). postdlf (talk) 23:45, 28 September 2013 (UTC)
 * This is Wikipedia, so we get to define things the way they are world-wide. But if you want to get snippy, I suggested some readin comprehension. Note I did not say what Blacks says the definition is, I said the lawyer article cites to it. You may note your edition may be different than the one cited in the article. My copy of the Oxford American Dictionary is likely different, as mine is from nearly 20 years ago, so I would hope they update it. Though I'm note sure why you cite to counsel, since that is not one of the terms we are discussing. But you may want to dissect the definition for lawyer again. The last one shows that there is a distinction, as if you are a lawyer, you do not need to pass the bar. It really is as simple as there are two terms, and both have different definitions, which is why they have separate entries and not a simple see attorney. Look at the Oxford American definition, and note you do not need to have passed the bar to do all three. Obviously anyone can write legal documents, but in my jurisdiction after two years of law school I could have made court appearances, and I think that is standard. More importantly, look at the two definitions, they are different. Everyone who is an attorney is also a lawyer, but not vice versa. Sort of like every physician is a doctor, but not vice versa.
 * As to your parting shot, again, reading comprehension is key. I never said Oregon lists people as attorneys. Again, every member of the Oregon Bar is also a lawyer. My point was that if someone is only the classical definition of lawyer and not an attorney, and they are practicing law in Oregon, then there is a problem. When you sign off on your letters, do you put your name and then lawyer? If you do, you would be the only one I know, as everyone I've seen does Attorney at Law.
 * Now, the definition may be in flux, as meanings constantly evolve, but as an encyclopedia we have made the distinction between the two. It is quite clear that the general public does confuse the two (many confuse affect and effect too), as you do, but there is a distinction, which is why there are two words. They are synonyms, but that does not mean they have an identical meaning, just close. Much like big and huge are, but while everything huge would also be big, it does not quite work in the opposite direction as some things that are big are not always huge. Aboutmovies (talk) 04:58, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

Oregon State Capitol 75th Anniversary stuff
Howdy stranger, how 'bout them Hops? Oh yeah, and FYI. Valfontis (talk) 19:47, 19 September 2013 (UTC)

Actors from Hartford, Connecticut
Category:Actors from Hartford, Connecticut, which you created, has been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page

Please stop creating city/occupation intersection categories
You have created a lot of categories that intersect city and occupation such as Category:Writers from Bakersfield, California over the last few months. This is really getting out of hand, and it is not clear we should have these categories. We are about to start CfDs on a lot of them, and it would facilitate things if you stopped creating such categories until we can come to a consensus on which ones we want.John Pack Lambert (talk) 17:15, 24 September 2013 (UTC) There is no deadline, so a delay of a week or so while consensus is established is no harm at all. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 20:15, 24 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Sorry, start your CfD, but these are standard cats (see here and here for examples), so I'm pretty clear we should have these. So if you would like me to participate in the conversation, that's fine, but it is rather uncivil to ask me to stop when you have no consensus that your view is the correct view. And they are not so much city/occupation (I know the few cat people like to think of them as triple intersections, but they are not) but location/occupation intersections. All I have been doing is diffusing the People by city cat into sub cats, which actually on the whole decreases the number of categories these people are in. I have yet to start a new "tree", other than collecting some existing ones by city for architects and lawyers. As in other editors already started these city level occupation cats, I've just expanded it, but I almost always ensure there are at least 10 articles in each in order to avoid WP:SMALLCAT. Aboutmovies (talk) 18:32, 24 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Aboutmovies, there are currently several current CFD discussions about these categories: e.g. CFD: People by occupation from Bakersfield, California and CFD: Actors by city in Connecticut. Please desist from creating more such categories while those discussions are underway. If the consensus is to keep, then you can continue; but if the consensus is to upmerge them, then your continued creation is simply wasted effort for you and for others.
 * BrownHairedGirl, you will have to excuse my bluntness above, but under the circumstances I believe I was quite justified in my response. I was not told to stop based on some consensus, which we usually do not do. We usually only request people stop doing something after a consensus has been determined. Then, it was not some friendly notification of hey, there is a CfD you should probably be involved with, but instead it was a message from someone with a clear opinion of these should not exist. Not a link to existing CfDs and an invite to particpate, but a rather rude note to stop. Aboutmovies (talk) 05:41, 25 September 2013 (UTC)
 * You're all in favor of upmerging a sportspeople category with 67 entries. Yet a town category with five persons total in it has your blessing. Your wanting to upmerge 'Sportspeole from Bakersfield' sound like a case of 'I don't like it'. I do sportpeople category creating too- Des Moines, Madison, Omaha, Little Rock, Anchorage, Lima Peru, Johannesburg, Bangor, Portland ME, Savannah, Dayton, Columbus Ohio, Syracuse, Rochester NY, Kansas City MO, Tulsa, Manila, Havana, Providence, Hartford, Sacramento, New Haven, Ann Arbor, Montgomery AL, Birmingham AL, Baton Rogue, Shreveport, and I surely forgetting a few. The amount of people in them ranges from low 20's to over 200. Tehran, Caracas, Albany, New Rochelle, and Charleston SC are next on my hit list. I see a city category with over 200 people in it and no sportspeople category as ripe for one.


 * Rather than telling me or AboutMovies how to or how not to categorize, you need to take this discussion to WP:Categorization's talk page and start a discussion. I'm fine with starting a discussion on criteria. A CFD isn't the place for it because few will know its even going on. We all know most CFDs are mostly done by regulars like yourself, myself, JPL, and a small handful of others....William 01:00, 25 September 2013 (UTC)
 * , per WP:MULTI discussions should be centralised. So let's have the substantive discussions in one place: at CFD.
 * My purpose in posting here was solely to ask Aboutmovies to await the outcome of CFD before creating more such categories. Once we know what the consensus is, we'll all know where we stand ... but in the meantime, it's bets to just hold off from doing something which already being challenged. That's a critical part of the WP:BRD cycle: be bold, then when challenged stop and discuss it. -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 01:33, 25 September 2013 (UTC)
 * PS If you think CFD is under-attended, then rather than start a parallel discussion at WT:CAT, why not just post there with a link to the CFDs? -- Brown HairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 01:36, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

, the number of members of the category is not at all relevant. That a city category has 200 people in it is...what? I don't get the significance of that size at all, or how it justifies the peculiar subcategorization by an occupation that probably wasn't engaged in there. The problem as we see it is the intersection of two unrelated biographical facts: where someone is originally from or lived at some point, and the fact that they had a particular career regardless of where they did it. Anyway, given that the very premise of these is being challenged in these CFDs and by multiple editors, it's not at all unreasonable to ask that creation of more halt for the time being until this is resolved. postdlf (talk) 02:21, 25 September 2013 (UTC)
 * As I've pointed out multiple times, how many persons are categorized from somewhere is used as criteria for deleting, merging etc. So far as Residence, lived there, born there etc, most athletes don't practice their occupation in the place they live. In fact, categorizing athletes as being from a city just because they played for a sports team there is considered wrong, and I happen to agree wholeheartedly. They're from somewhere else then, where they grew up, where they live when not out on the field, and so on even though they aren't doing or ever did athletics in many of those places. You're not from Chicago because you're a Chicago Cub, but then logically you're from Spokane Washington because you lived or were there even if you weren't necessarily a practicing athlete at the time. Then if you say they shouldn't be a sportspeople from Spokane, what's the criteria for being a sportspeople from somewhere? The athlete plays for the Cubs but goes home to Spokane every year to rest in order to play the next season. That down time is it part of his sports because he is gaining the necessary energy to compete? Every person's life will need to be microanalyzed and unfortunately most articles at WP or even the internet don't give us that amount of detail of a person's life. Default is- nobody is from Foo unless the person accomplished something when he was living there? What's the criteria for accomplishment? Play high school sports there? Have your first ever writing published while you live there? Get an A for a poem in Fooville High School English class and that inspires you to become an author?...William 02:48, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

Class grading
Hey, I would like to thank you for grading the biographies Chris Webby and Gudda Gudda that are created, if you are not too busy if you could also grade my recent creations The Underachievers, Iamsu!, Key Wane, Digi+Phonics, and/or Caskey (rapper), I would very much appreciate it. All look like at least borderline C's to me, but I would rather have someone elses opinion. Again, thank you either way.  STATic  message me!  18:34, 24 September 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Harl H. Haas, Jr.
The DYK project (nominate) 00:02, 5 October 2013 (UTC)

Thankyou :) (RevengeTimeComes (talk))

alberto yarini
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Take a look. This is great information on the famous chulo/pimp Alberto Yarini thanks for grat edit. MMig (talk) 00:33, 28 July 2014 (UTC).

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Wikipedia Edit-athon!
Hope to see you there! -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 15:40, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

Coordinates?
Hi AM, might you be able to assist with adding coordinates for this site? -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 17:59, 7 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank you. -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 19:05, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

May I make a similar request for Weather Machine (sculpture)? I just nominated the article for FA status and including coordinates gets it one step closer. -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 05:05, 9 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks again, -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 07:38, 9 November 2013 (UTC)

New Willamette River sub-category
In this category, are you sure you want to have Cottage Grove, Jasper, Lowell, Oakridge, and Westfir, if Cottage Grove is along the coast fork and the four others are along the middle fork? <font style="font-family:Rockwell">Jsayre64 <font style="font-family:Rockwell">(talk)  17:22, 20 October 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm personally not really a fan of these river/populated places cats, but if they exist they should be complete. My thoughts are that if the stream says Willamette River, it should be considered part of the river, and thus the communities along the "forks" should be in the cat. This mainly since it says they are forks. Not that I agree with the USGS as to naming as I think it would have made more sense to name these forks as other rivers and then have the Willamette start at the confluence, sort of like there is not a Rocky Mountains Fork Mississippi River, instead we call it the Missouri River, but maybe they have actual rules on this somewhere in DC. But anyway, I think the forks should be considered part of the main, but not the other non-Willamette named tributaries. But I don't have a strong attachment. Aboutmovies (talk) 20:24, 20 October 2013 (UTC)

Alan Kirby
Hello, and thanks for assessing the class of the above. But when you did it, not sure what happened, but you also changed a parameter name in the WikiProject Football template to something it isn't, and removed the transclusion of a current DYK nom. I've fixed it, anyway. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 08:02, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Sorry about that, I had a similar thing happen around that time as well. I'm wondering if there was some sort of cache problem. Aboutmovies (talk) 04:36, 25 October 2013 (UTC)
 * That might make sense. Hope it's a one-off, then, and not an ongoing problem. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 06:10, 25 October 2013 (UTC)

Neutral notice
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Actor cats
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library
Is there a ref for the hook fact that it wasn't funded? Otherwise it looks ok? Victuallers (talk) 09:39, 30 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes, the hook fact is in the first paragraph of the history section, which is covered by footnote #2, and in that news article it is in the fourth paragraph. Aboutmovies (talk) 14:29, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

Requesting your opinion
Hi. Can you offer your opinion in this consensus discussion? It would be greatly appreciated. Thanks. Nightscream (talk) 18:09, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Tigard Public Library
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DYK for M.E. Blanton House
The DYK project (nominate) 16:02, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

DYK for World Trade Center, Portland
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Gilgamesh Brewing
Saw your "this needs help" note. Is this even notable? Looks like its creator did it as a class project at Western. I'm too lazy to fix it right now so I don't want to slap a bunch of tags on it. And why wasn't I invited to the hangover breakfast? Was it at Quality Pie? Valfontis (talk) 15:06, 17 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Hard to tell without putting some work into it. There appears to be three S-J articles on the place, which is a good start, but on their own I don't think they would be enough. Not sure if there is coverage elsewhere, such as in beer trade media, but I think it needs a few more sources. Maybe just a few tags including a notability one and then let it simmer for a few months. As to the COTM, currently we are not doing individual editor notices. We hope someone will volunteer to do them, and/or set up an automated or semi-automated process to do it. Aboutmovies (talk) 00:26, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

Commons photo
Just a little something I came across while looking at the Bull Mountain article: your description of does not agree with the file name. <font style="font-family:Rockwell">Jsayre64 <font style="font-family:Rockwell">(talk)  03:34, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
 * The shopping center is just out of sight, with the light poles you see in the parking lot. Otherwise, the description has been updated. Aboutmovies (talk) 06:06, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Gert Boyle
The DYK project (nominate) 00:04, 21 November 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Veterans Affairs Medical Center (Oregon)
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 16:37, 24 November 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Albert S. Sholes House
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public figures
Hi, public figures go by the names that they are called by in person, or the names their institutions list them as. Referenced sources can be twisted to produce a different name, but the name requested by the subject should be used if the sources are sufficient to represent both. Jane (talk) 13:31, 29 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Look at the history of the article and you will see I previsouly reverted the addition of his fist name until the anon editor provided a source. So, he announced in public in front of a large crowd what his first name is. Further, your note above does nothing to explain the other change you made. Please read ALL of BLP to understand it, and note all of the items are sourced, which is mostly what BLP is about. His ex-wife is also arguably a public figure given her former position, but more importantly, it was sourced. I will now revert you again, and please take point me to the discussion where the subject made this request so that it can be properly vetted and analyzed. Aboutmovies (talk) 06:27, 30 November 2013 (UTC)
 * It doesn't matter whether he revealed his first name or not. It is perfectly reasonable to include his first name, just not as the name in the lead. He does not go by the name anywhere except on Wikipedia, and unfortunately this causes many new.publications to use this name. As for BLPNAME, I did read this. I really question your personal involvement here, since his family is not notable, neither is his family relevant to his notability. I really don't see the added value to Wikipedia to include this, and BTW he is also not the first Afro-American president of a college or university, so there is much more wrong with this article than the names. Please remove your revert, or take the time to fix the article. Jane (talk) 13:42, 30 November 2013 (UTC)
 * And I'd have to question your involvement given you must be getting secret messages from the subject, since you failed to provide evidence of the complaints from the subject and his daughter. Regardless, I have a strong suspicion he or someone close to him was responsible for much of the personal info in the article, and they were also the party responsible for the "first" you mention (though note, it is qualified as first of an independent college, whatever that means). Anyway, I don't own the article, but have invested a lot of time trying to police it. As to saying it is perfectly reasonable to include his first name, that rings hollow when you removed it from everywhere. So to does your assertion that his family is not notable, which has two problems: 1) one of his wives was/is a public figure; 2) notability does not limit inclusion. BLP does to an extent, due to privacy, but the bigger picture you need to realize is this is a biography, and biographies include personal details, as that is what makes a biography. Biographies are not just mentions of a subject's notable feats, as otherwise dates of birth and where he grew up are not notable either, but they are what make for a good biography. Even before you last message, the names of the kids were removed, so hopefully that is a nice compromise. If not, please take it to the noticeboard. Aboutmovies (talk) 02:40, 1 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I was confused because yes, I know the subject and all his kids quite well and thought I made it clear in my editing summary that I was acting on his request, which was a perfectly reasonable one. I was under the impression that you were deliberately badmouthing him, but now I understand who you are and would like to extend thanks for policing his article since 2007. I am a bit confused why you feel one of his wives was a public figure, but I have never lived in Oregon so I don't know. I guess you weren't aware that his first name is not the name he is called by. The information about the names of his family members is not necessary on Wikipedia for his level for notability and removing that is a perfectly normal thing to do for a BLP, which I did on his request. Your statement in the lead about "first..." is in fact incorrect, but he was one of the first ten, so not a big error. I put his page on my watch list, but I normally edit 17th century painters and not BLP's, so I'll leave it to you. Sorry for the confusion, but maybe you should mail him yourself for his WP complaints/queries? As for the other edits you mention, at least two of these were done by his daughter, and we discussed this with the three of us as I explained the up- and downsides of including such info on Wikipedia. Back when this article was created I don't think anybody could have foreseen the later repercussions. Jane (talk) 13:10, 1 December 2013 (UTC)

DYK for George H. Otten
The DYK project (nominate) 00:02, 1 December 2013 (UTC)

Re: E. J. Singler - um, not my article, but that would not be a speedy
Re your message: Thank you for AGF. I have restored the article at your request. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 06:05, 5 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Sorry about the AGF, but I simply have a higher standard for admins, especially when wielding the speedy delete power. Now if you are referring to the part about not checking sources, I actually would not expect you to nor hold it against you prior to a standard CSD, as there is no requirement for such. I would assume someone tagged it for CSD and you came along and didn't think it was notable either and hit delete. The disconnect I see is there is a bare assertion of notability in that he plays professional basketball. Not enough to actually be notable on its own, but just enough to prevent A7 - "The criterion does not apply to any article that makes any credible claim of significance or importance even if the claim is not supported by a reliable source or does not qualify on Wikipedia's notability guidelines." (emphasis added) Plus "There is strong consensus that the creators and major contributors of pages and media files should be warned of a speedy deletion nomination (or of the deletion if not informed prior thereto)." which if you look at the article history would have required me to be notified. Aboutmovies (talk) 09:05, 5 December 2013 (UTC)
 * I found your message to me to be needlessly confrontational. A simple "Can you please reconsider your deletion of the article because it has some claim to notability." without the policy quotations would have been sufficient enough for me.  I do not believe that I have a reputation for being stubborn, unreasonable, unwilling to reconsider a decision, or having a "Me admin! Me always right! You no question me!" attitude. Now if I had refused your request or had a past history of refusing to review things, that would be a different story. But I have done neither. A friendly discussion is much better than a confrontational one. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 10:10, 5 December 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm more than happy to have that sort of conversation, but when you have a special link on your talk page to this, at least to me it comes across in the wrong way. I'm sure you don't view it as confrontational, but for those who do not know you it comes across as, yep, I delete a lot of articles and I don't really want to be bothered by yet another idiot who does not get the notable rules. It sets things off on the wrong foot, even though your intentions are innocent (and many other admins have similar disclaimers). It's almost a WP:BITE problem, as usually the articles you delete are probably new editors. My personal suggestion would be perhaps, if you are here to ask why I deleted your article, please review the guideline quoted in the deletion summary and then frame your request/question with regard to your article and the quoted guideline. Then from that, link to your subpage with a note such as here are some common reasons why articles are deleted. Otherwise, intended or not, your talk page comes across as confrontational to those there to discuss a CSD - thus why message mentions "not my article" because of your disclaimer/note. Aboutmovies (talk) 15:36, 5 December 2013 (UTC)
 * I think we agree to disagree. If you have any future complaints about something I have done, I'm sure that you will find the appropriate venue. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 15:45, 5 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Fair enough. Aboutmovies (talk) 19:57, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

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DYK for St. Anthony Hospital (Pendleton, Oregon)
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My questions already on the Teahouse
i've already asked the most pressing questions on the teahouse and will get in touch if I do not get answers soonest. thanks. But, as a forethought, how do I get a translated article proofread? Emekadavid (talk) 20:19, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

Infobox Photo Discussion
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DYK for Providence Milwaukie Hospital
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DYK for Beaverton Health & Science School
The DYK project (nominate) 12:03, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

NRHP assessments
Thanks for going through the unassessed NRHP articles and assigning ratings to them. I'd been working on that, and hoping to get it done by New Year's. I was pleasantly surprised to visit the category and find a single article remaining. Thanks for dealing with that-- now I can start 2014 by working on articles! Ammodramus (talk) 16:09, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

DYK nomination
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DYK for The Dalles Mint
The DYK project (nominate) 16:03, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Katie Eyre Brewer
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:02, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

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Hillsboro Fire Department
Nice article on Hillsboro Fire Department. Saw that Hillsboro Fire and Rescue logo was very small. It's not a big deal, but I found larger version that still has very good resolution. Is there any reason I shouldn't do pull-and-replce with larger version of HF&R logo.--Orygun (talk) 05:29, 18 January 2014 (UTC)
 * A larger version would be great, but not too large due to FUR issues. I just went with what was on the department's web page, which is a bit small. Aboutmovies (talk) 06:30, 18 January 2014 (UTC)
 * ✅--Orygun (talk) 02:01, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Robert V. Short
Thanks for helping the wiki Victuallers (talk) 16:02, 19 January 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Hillsboro Fire Department
-- John Reaves 00:02, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

Roger Martin and Dick Magruder

 * Aboutmovies: I contacted Valfontis about old copies of Oregon Voter magazine which included Who's Who in the 19XX Oregon Legislature editions for 1959-1973. Am putting final touches on wiki-articles about Roger Martin and Dick Magruder who were both in House of Rep's during latter part of that period. Valfontis said she typed out several of Oregon Voter bio’s for you; said she thought one bio was for Martin. She’s willing to do same for me, but doesn’t want to do re-work on Martin if that was one she already did for you. Do you have Oregon Voter info on Roger Martin (and/or Dick Magruder)? If so, can you forward it to me?  If not please let me know so I can get info from Valfontis…thanks!--Orygun (talk) 21:11, 20 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Aboutmovies: Valfontis just sent me scanned copies of Martin/Magruder info so please disregard above request. Sorry for bothering you!--Orygun (talk) 00:12, 21 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Yes AM, I have a scanner now if you ever get around to writing about old maybe-not-dead legislators again. My old e-mails are on an old maybe-not-dead hard drive so I don't remember which ones I typed out for you or which ones you wanted. Cheers, Valfontis (talk) 22:55, 21 January 2014 (UTC)

Main Page appearance: Hillsboro, Oregon
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Hillsboro is an American city of 95,000 people in the Portland metropolitan area of Oregon. It is the fifth-largest city in the state and serves as the county seat of Washington County. Located in the Tualatin Valley on the west side of Portland, Hillsboro is home to many high-technology companies, such as Intel (one campus pictured) and TriQuint, which compose what has become known as the Silicon Forest. Other important sectors to the economy are health care, retail, and agriculture (including grapes and local wineries). The area was inhabited by the Atfalati tribe of the Kalapuya people prior to the arrival of European-American settlers. Hillsboro was settled in 1842 and is named after David Hill, an Oregon politician and one of the first settlers. A railroad reached the area in the early 1870s and the city incorporated on October 19, 1876. Hillsboro has a council-manager government consisting of a city manager and a seven-person city council headed by a mayor. The city operates more than twenty parks along with Hillsboro Stadium and Hillsboro Ballpark, home to Minor League Baseball's Hillsboro Hops. Nine sites in the city are listed on the National Register of Historic Places. UcuchaBot (talk) 23:01, 20 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Woohoo! Valfontis (talk) 22:55, 21 January 2014 (UTC)

YOU
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Tags on Mt. Healthy v. Doyle
With respect, I'd like to remove these, as I'm in the process of expanding the article to the point that neither would be relevant. Daniel Case (talk) 17:36, 30 January 2014 (UTC)
 * No problem. I have no issues with tags being removed once the issues are addressed. Aboutmovies (talk) 21:40, 30 January 2014 (UTC)
 * OK. I'll do it when I'm done (could be a while). Daniel Case (talk) 23:47, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

DYK nomination of St. Charles Medical Center - Madras
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DYK for St. Charles Medical Center – Madras
Allen3 talk 18:30, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

Why did I get a welcome post from you
just now, when I've been using wikipedia for years? Did I trigger this event somehow?

Thanks

Iconofiler (talk) 20:33, 13 February 2014 (UTC)
 * When I am going through recent changes I give welcome notices to all those editors with relinked talk pages, that way hopefully their first message is useful. Aboutmovies (talk) 20:35, 13 February 2014 (UTC)

Sandbox
Hello Sir, I have created one article of Padmapur,Rayagada, in my sand box and moved it to the main page. But now my sand box is not empty as it redirects to the Padmapur,Rayagada, page. I want to create one new article in my sand box. How can I clear my sand box ? Please guide. Hpsatapathy (talk) 02:03, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

Sir, This time I tried to edit my sand box after I moved my main article, but in vain. The old title could not be edited. Please fix it. Hpsatapathy (talk) 13:19, 17 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Fixed. Aboutmovies (talk) 15:33, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

Hello
Hello Sir, thanks for the useful tip. 117.200.238.200 (talk) 05:36, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

Hpsatapathy
Sir, After I have moved my article"comrade Nagabhushana Patnaik" from my sandbox, it was again moved/renamed to "Nagbhushan Patnaik". I have edited my sandbox for a new article. Now very often when I try to search the page "Nagbhushan Patnaik" in google, one link takes me to my user sandbox page which has been edited.How can I fix it? Please guide. With regards. hpsatapathy. Hpsatapathy (talk) 16:21, 18 February 2014 (UTC)
 * It will take Google a few days to update their search, so there is not much to do but wait. You can put a template on your sandbox that tells Google not to index your page, but that will only prevent it from happening again. Aboutmovies (talk) 20:10, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

British Virgin Islands company law
Hi there. Thanks for reviewing British Virgin Islands company law. Normally I don't trouble to quibble with the results of reviews, but I think "start" class ('An article that is developing, but which is quite incomplete and, most notably, lacks adequate reliable sources.') was a bit perfunctory for an article that weighs in at 28,667 bytes and is extensively footnoted throughout. Don't want to make a big deal out of it, but if you are going to do a review, do please take the time to assess the size and scope of the article, and the extent of the cited authorities. Thanks. --Legis (talk - contribs) 22:58, 18 February 2014 (UTC)
 * And I would agree now, but check when the assessment was done, and it was not 28,667 bytes. Since the review you added two sections. As it was, whole sections lacked inline citations, while "Registering a company" was also unsourced as the only footnote was a comment. So, to echo your point, if you are going to question my assessment, please take the time to assess the scope of what was assessed as I'm not clairvoyant enough to know what changes you plan on making. As it stands now, it would be a C class, B if you were to cite some things in the currently uncited "History" & "Financial services regulation" sections and beef up the citations to "Registering a company" and "Shares and shareholders". The "Insolvency" section is a good example of B class material. Aboutmovies (talk) 01:29, 19 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I am still feeling that even at that stage it was well past start class. But whatever.  I expect your standards are just higher than mine.  Thanks.  --Legis (talk - contribs) 21:24, 19 February 2014 (UTC)
 * You added two sections, so it seems difficult to argue it was developed, thus it was still developing, which as you quoted above means start class. The bigger point is you obviously based your complaint on your error (you said I assessed a 28k article and I did not), and then came here to complain with a flippant remark that I should take the time to do a proper review. Given your don't be a dick logo on your talk page, you might want to consider practicing what you preach. That means when you make a mistake, you own up to it. You don't try to pass it off as me having higher standards. Aboutmovies (talk) 05:04, 20 February 2014 (UTC)
 * You are fixating on my reference to the article size (which, I concede, I quoted in error). Here is what the article looked like when it left my Sandbox and was uploaded as a new article.  I stand by my original comment that it was, even at that stage, a long way north of a start class article and that your review was cursory and not well thought out, and certainly did not appear to apply established WP criteria for article reviews.  I am not consciously trying to be a dick, but I am concerned that you are ducking behind technical points rather than facing up to the primary criticism that I made.  However, I suspect that by this stage the odds of anything positive coming from this exchange are now remote. --Legis (talk - contribs) 15:03, 21 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Technical points? You mean how your original note quotes from the quality matrix? I can quote too from the start class criteria: "The article has a usable amount of good content but is weak in many areas, usually in referencing." Look how many sections were unreferenced (3 of 7) and you might understand why I put it at start. It was certainly on the high side of start, and if someone had assessed it as C I would not quibble with them as there is some subjectivness to a review and interpretation of the criteria, but when it comes to assessments it often is about the technical aspects and not some gut feeling. Aboutmovies (talk) 16:04, 21 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Fair enough. Thanks for taking the time to clarify. --Legis (talk - contribs) 22:59, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

Mahlathini and the Mahotella Queens: Quick Thank You Comment
Hi, many thanks for the review yesterday of this article, any advice on improvements would be very welcome. I have done a bit more adding & editing since your review (in the style of a blindfolded machine gunner) trying to stop myself now. -- BOD --  18:04, 23 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Some of those paragraphs are really big, I'd suggest breaking some of them up a bit; work on refining the refs - I'd suggest using the Cite plug-in (under preferences, Gadgets, Citation expander) so you can get them uniform; and expand the lede. Aboutmovies (talk) 05:11, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Many thanks for recommendations, started tweaking -- BOD --  09:27, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

OCAC schoolhouse edits
Hi there, Could you explain to me why the schoolhouse information has been deleted? I am new to wiki editing and I'd like to know what makes that unusable. I spent a lot of time looking for information on the schoolhouse, so I'd like to know how to re-write it so that it's appropriate for the page. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.71.201.110 (talk) 18:38, 27 February 2014 (UTC)
 * I will reply on your talk page. Aboutmovies (talk) 18:45, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

hello question about the quality scale?
about how to upgrade a biography article been rated as stub-class to an article i created? thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Marvstig (talk • contribs) 10:09, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Booker Washington Institute
The DYK project (nominate) 15:17, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Pensole
Thanks for your help Victuallers (talk) 23:32, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

Lee Kelly
Thanks for helping to expand the article. I knew of a few of Kelly's works, but I had no idea how accomplished he was, and how many of his works are displayed throughout the Pacific Northwest. -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 16:25, 2 March 2014 (UTC)
 * No problem, he was on my long-term to-do list. His name kept popping up in relation to other articles I would work on. Aboutmovies (talk) 19:50, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

Mentor needed
I have a friend whose father recently died. I think he was a notable person but I am not clear on the criteria. He was an artist, a published author and a professor. Also he was a grandson of the notable Oregon Trail pioneer Elizabeth Goltra. Ref: http://dsl.richmond.edu/oregontrail/?paged=5 Also: http://socialarchive.iath.virginia.edu/xtf/view?docId=goltra-elizabeth-cr.xml

His name is Stephen Goltra Gilbert and he was born and raised in Oregon and he became one of those unusual species seldom found in the art world; an artist with a paycheck. His art largely concerned the human anatomy and he did many textbook illustrations for the medical school. It wasn't all humans. He published some guides for biology class dissection of frogs and so on. There are a half dozen of his books currently listed on Amazon. His avocation was tattooing and he also published a well received book on tattoo history. He was well respected in the tattoo culture and Tattoos.com did a page 1 memorial. : http://tattoos.com/in-memoriam-stephen-g-gilbert/

His daughter Anne Gilbert is a school teacher and a new Wikipedia contributor. She would like some guidance as she undertakes the project. She is brand new to Wikipedia and I don't even know her moniker (or whatever we now call our screen names) but I can give you her email address anne91827@yahoo.com

If you are curious why I chose you for help in this project, it is because your name is all over the Oregon Pioneer History page and both you and Anne graduated from OSU.

One more thing. I think given the interest by multiple universities on the writings of Elizabeth Goltra there should be a subsection on your Pioneer History page which will direct users to her writings. I suppose she could have her own page but I think the page you currently have up is well suited unless there is some push to have more exposure for Women in History. MisterHOP (talk) 11:03, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

Year of death unknown - or just missing?
Hello, Aboutmovies! I noticed you added Category:Year of death unknown to Michelle Elisabeth d'Ivry. Her year of death (and maybe birth) is not unknown, just not mentioned in the reference. Another reference may mention it. I suggest, that you use the Category:Year of death missing and save Category:Year of death unknown for the cases when the year of death are confirmed to be unknown, otherwise some articles which are currently missing year of death may never be improved, even though they could be. Best wishes, --Aciram (talk) 01:07, 8 March 2014 (UTC)
 * I understand, but one would rarely know just be looking at an article if these are missing, or unknown. I usually use missing, but on articles about people from centuries ago that use the "floruit" I tend to figure the years are simply lost to time. Aboutmovies (talk) 05:09, 8 March 2014 (UTC)
 * I agree this could be hard to tell sometimes. True, it depends upon time and place. In this case, this was about Sweden, were the records are good enough for anyone to be able to find the year of death until about the year of 1700 at least. d'Ivrys year of death occurred in the 1790s, as it occurred under the minor regency of Gustaf IV Adolf, and though unfortunately not mentioned in the referenced works (which I have read), its bound to be added sooner or later as it is in the Stockholm city death records. I admit I am not sure about the record in all European countries, but it seem to be wise to use the "Missing" at least back to the year 1700 when it comes to European countries.--Aciram (talk) 19:08, 8 March 2014 (UTC)

Followup Question about quality scale and prose.
Hello, Aboutmovies! Followup about how to upgrade the biography article Amin Mahmoud (politician), I have introduced prose instead of a list and did more research for gap years. Prose is introduced in the careers section, who and when will reevaluation happen? thank you again for taking the time. Marvstig (talk) 10:24, 8 March 2014 (UTC)

Category:Poets from Oregon
Category:Poets from Oregon, which you created, has been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) 12:17, 8 March 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for your assessment
Greetings Aboutmovies, thanks for rating the Sundaygar Dearboy article. I was going through your talk page and realized that you've written extensively on Liberia. Are you Liberian? versace1608 (talk) 20:35, 9 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Nope, just sort of adopted it. Aboutmovies (talk) 18:23, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

Category:Oregon county judges
Category:Oregon county judges, which you created, has been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. Greg Bard (talk) 15:40, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

Difficulty creating a montage or collage
Hello, I am having difficulties creating a montage or collage for the Raleigh, North Carolina page — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cyphatree (talk • contribs) 23:24, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

Quality Scale
Took your advice reshaped the article amin mahmoud (politician) when you get a chance kindly look it over to see if it has earned an upgrade in its quality as per now. Thank you again — Preceding unsigned comment added by Marvstig (talk • contribs) 07:56, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Tualatin Valley Fire and Rescue
The DYK project (nominate) 01:12, 22 March 2014 (UTC)

Translation of an article
Could you help me to translate an article, please ? I need somebody to do it?

Articles to translate

 * Bernard Ansalem
 * Fédération royale néerlandaise des échecs (Royal Dutch Chess Federation)
 * Fédération de Norvège de tennis de table (Norwegian Table Tennis Federation)

Thanks. Bye bye. Terry Blaine (talk) 16:34, 24 March 2014 (UTC)
 * I don't speak/read/write French, so I would not be of much assistance. You might try Translation. Aboutmovies (talk) 00:25, 25 March 2014 (UTC)

Thanks a lot
I hadn't noticed that. Valfontis (talk) 16:59, 26 March 2014 (UTC)
 * No problem, and officially welcome back now that it appears you are around regularly again. Aboutmovies (talk) 04:13, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for your review of Amin Mahmoud (politician)
All notes of yours have been dealt with in regards to reference syntax and to removing external links from body of article. Regards

Externak Links Question
hello

Did you meana that the section titled "External Links" should be removed (like I did yesterday)in Amin Mahmoud (politician) or does it mean that the links within the main text that point to external non-wiki pages need to be removed - e.g. the link we have to the Abdul Hameed Shoman Foundation in the Presidencies section?? When I look at established biography pages, like Tony Blair's or Barack Obama's, they all seem have an "External Links" section - but I noticed that all the links in the main text of those biographies point to wiki pages rather than external pages... Also, the guidelines at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:External_links say: 2. External links should not normally be used in the body of an article.[1] Instead, include appropriate external links in an "External links" section at the end of the article, and in the appropriate location within an infobox, if applicable.

Please advise thanks again

DYK nomination of Washington County Fire District 2
Hello! Your submission of Washington County Fire District 2 at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Odie5533 (talk) 03:35, 30 March 2014 (UTC)

Rating
Hello again

Does Amin Mahmoud (politician) qualify for rating raise above C after all updates you recommended. thank you for all your support — Preceding unsigned comment added by Marvstig (talk • contribs) 12:36, 30 March 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Washington County Fire District 2
Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 16:03, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

Abu Sayed Ansari Shaheb
Hi, ah wikipedian nominated this ariticle for deletetion http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Sayed_Ansari_Shaheb please could you do anything. thanks. Osvala (talk) 10:49, 9 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Not really, as it needs to go through that process. I'd suggest reading the notability guidelines for people to see if the article should be on Wikipedia, as well as what would be needed for it to stay. Aboutmovies (talk) 14:23, 9 April 2014 (UTC)
 * ok thanks, bu could you vote for keep that article, thnaks Osvala (talk) 15:51, 9 April 2014 (UTC)
 * It is actually improper for you to ask me or anyone to vote to keep. The article needs to stand on its own, and not based on how many people can be rounded up to vote one way or the other. Aboutmovies (talk) 18:38, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

DYK help?
Mr. Warren's DYK seems to be sinking, with the anniversary two days away. Any suggestions? Or did I just wait too long to nominate it and it got lost in the shuffle? I see you've already done your QPQ on your recent noms, but would it be COI/too much of a PITA for you to look these over? Esprqii already made sure I didn't screw them up too badly. Valfontis (talk) 16:39, 13 April 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Miller M. Duris
slakr \ talk / 00:44, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

User:Launchballer/Did you know
Just as a 'for-your-information', we were both wrong with my number of credits; I've had another scan through my archives and, including Sigma, I have 37.-- Laun  chba  ller  17:05, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

Larry Wagner
Hello Aboutmovies! You sure found that article quick. I am nowhere near done with it. Would you mind re-assessing when I am finished? Thanks! <font color="008B8B">78.26 (I'm no IP, talk to me!) 18:45, 15 April 2014 (UTC)
 * I can't guarantee I will get back to it anytime soon, but when you are done just remove the class ratings so it goes into the unassessed que. Aboutmovies (talk) 18:48, 15 April 2014 (UTC)
 * I did as you suggested. If you want to take a look, great!  If not, your contributions to the article are truly appreciated.   <font color="008B8B">78.26  (I'm no IP, talk to me!) 18:19, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Sol Republic
Thanks from the DYK project Victuallers (talk) 00:02, 16 April 2014 (UTC)

Pending reassessment
Hello

I sent you once before about this its in regards to Amin Mahmoud (politician) article quality standard as per your last upgrade to C 04:19, 27 March 2014‎ Aboutmovies (talk | contribs)‎ m. . (12,173 bytes) (-3)‎. . (updated to «C» but need to remove external links from the body and fix the refs (#5 is how they all should look like) to get any higher)

we removed ext links and fixed the refs as per #5 to get any higher as you said. We are still at C though? why is that? thanks

Thatcher, Oregon
Per my talk page. Any chance you can stop by in May? Valfontis (talk) 20:10, 22 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Maybe, hard to say. Aboutmovies (talk) 03:30, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

Help! - Ann-Sophie Qvarnström
It all started with an earnest interest in translating Swedish articles into English. (I know…”The road to hell is paved with…etc.”) I began with an article about a friend, since it is always best to start with something or someone close to home and then venture further out when you know what to do. Also I know she will not kill me if I screw up.

At first I just translated the Swedish article. But this did not meet with the new guide lines. So I re-wrote the entire article in both languages. After this came the question on notability. I wrote some things about this on the articles talk page. Afraid to post it anywhere else.

Then suddenly the article is a biography! And it has been named a stub and more information is required. I thought that biographies were just for really famous people! So I am totally at a loss on how to proceed. I have no trouble asking her about things, but she will surely think that the minor details of her life are of no interest to the general public. Sometimes Swedish modesty is a great obstacle.

I spotted Your name in the Wiew History section. So, Great and Mighty Obi-Wan: How should I proceed? Is there really an interest for more details in such an article? - W.carter (talk) 19:43, 23 April 2014 (UTC)
 * OK, any article about a person is a biography. Then, with any article there is the notability requirements. Now, this is not directly tied to the length of the article, so don't worry about it being a stub or being short. What you need to do is demonstrate she is notable, and that is not done by asking her questions. Quite the opposite in fact. What you need to do is go through media sources (think newspapers, magazines, TV/radio) to find where there is in-depth coverage of her. That is what notability is, where the world stops and takes note of a topic, and not in a quick 15 minutes of fame way. Here is an example of a recent biography I did Miller M. Duris, and if you look at the references you will see lots of coverage over many years. The more in-depth coverage in a source, the more notability it confers. Lastly, be sure they are both reliable sources, and independent of the topic (as in her Facebook page doesn't work). Aboutmovies (talk) 04:46, 24 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Thank You so much! This is excellent advice and easy to follow guide lines. I understand it better now. But it will be a challenge since I´m more of a translator than researcher. Also because there isn´t much written about the early years of RPG in Sweden. She and her co-workers were pioneers and thought of it more as “a hobby” and the rest of society saw it as “kids play”. But they shaped a generation of gamers. This is one of the first articles to put it all together. Through this I will probably end up writhing the whole history of Swedish RPG rather than just translating! And I had my heart set on translating articles about Swedish painters… - W.carter (talk) 19:52, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

Joe Walsh
Hi, Aboutmovies, I understand that you are one of Wikipedia's best editors, and I would highly appreciate it if you could help make Joe Walsh's page a good article. Many thanks Joe Vitale 5 (talk) 07:35, 27 April 2014 (UTC).

Nomination for deletion of Template:Infobox airshow
Template:Infobox airshow has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Andy Mabbett ( Pigsonthewing ); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:31, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Shriners Hospital for Children (Portland)
v/r - TP 02:08, 6 May 2014 (UTC) 02:13, 6 May 2014 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Oregon City College
Hello! Your submission of Oregon City College at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Doug Coldwell (talk) 10:57, 12 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Is the QPQ done? Did I miss something.....-19:09, 13 May 2014 (UTC)
 * It is now. Aboutmovies (talk) 06:08, 14 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Great! Thanks.--Doug Coldwell (talk) 11:46, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

You are invited to an upcoming WikiWednesday meetup!
Hi AM, you are invited to come meet fellow wiki enthusiasts at WikiWednesday, a series of meetups for fans of Wikipedia, PortlandWiki, and wikis in general. If you are interested in attending, we will be meeting at NedSpace (619 SW 11th Avenue, Suite 250, at the corner of SW 11th and Morrison) at 6pm on Wednesday, May 21. You would be welcome to work on Wikipedia articles of your choosing, or other preferred wikis. I'll be there to help out. Hope to see you there! (Feel free to RSVP on my talk page or here.) -- Another Believer ( Talk ) 23:23, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

Noob question
Hi -- I'm new to Wikipedia, and thought I'd dive in by editing an entry on a local company (FLIR Systems, Inc.). Apparently, my changes were not up to standards and were too PR-ish. That was not my intent at all. I honestly think there is more to their story than is currently being told. My question is this: I have re-written the entry to try to comply better with Wikipedia's voice and tone (as I have come to think of it), am wondering if there is a way to get this new copy reviewed for suitability before I post it. I don't want to cause any hard feelings or get a bad rep for posting things that have to be continually taken down because they're not up to snuff. Any suggestions? Many thanks. Ampersand82 (talk) 01:02, 15 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Ampersand82 - Thank you for reaching out, as yes, the prior attempts were writing too much like a PR piece. The first place to start is to look at Featured Articles about companies. Featured articles are the top of the line articles that have gone through peer review, so those are the examples to follow as to style, in addition to things such as WP:TONE and WP:UNDUE and WP:NOT. Now, FLIR's article would probably not be as big as an article on say Microsoft, as Microsoft has been covered by the media for decades, and FLIR is relatively new, and much smaller. But it is a good example of what we look for as to the Wikipedia style/tone.
 * Once you have reviewed some of those and make any adjustments to what you have drafted, the best thing to do is to then post the draft on the article's talk page. Then give it some time (and I apologize it may take a week or two for people to chime in) for other editors to take a look and offer comments. As to prior changes, here are a few observations: avoid short paragraphs of a sentence or two; don't do Tigard, OR, as we spell those out on Wikipedia (keep in mind this is a global resource and someone in Germany may not know what that abbreviation means); no your reader, which relates to the prior comment about globalization, but also note this is a general encyclopedia and not just for investors or business readers, so it needs to be accessible to the general public; and cite, cite, cite your sources (and be sure they are relaible sources per Wikipedia). Aboutmovies (talk) 14:45, 15 May 2014 (UTC)


 * Great -- thank you very much. With a little luck, and time permitting, I'll do that this weekend. Looking forward to the community's feedback and guidance. Ampersand82 (talk) 18:40, 16 May 2014 (UTC)
 * AM -- please note that this entry was moved to this location User:Ampersand82/FLIR_Systems-- I'd appreciate your feedback if you have time. Ampersand82 (talk) 22:53, 20 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Quick review: Avoid single sentence paragraphs, which is what the only thing in the lede section; no space between the punctuation and the citation; for the citations/refs, use full references (example: "The Bottom Line Briefcase: Chief financial officer advances to presidency of FLIR Systems". The Oregonian. April 4, 1995. p. B14.) and anything with a URL should have an access date (I'd suggest using a citation tool); FLIR, FLIR, FLIR gets a bit repetitive and annoying, use it and the company occasionally to break it up; in 1993, in 1996, in 1999, in 2001 also gets repetitive, so try moving the year around in the sentences to where it is varied, which will make the history section feel less like a timeline and more like a history; and avoid bulleted lists, we prefer prose. That's just a quick scan, with nothing really as to substance, which might take me a few days of more to get to. Aboutmovies (talk) 05:18, 21 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks very much (again). I believe I've corrected all of those points now. Looking forward to your further input.Ampersand82 (talk) 23:10, 21 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Hi -- just following up. If you have some more feedback, I'd appreciate hearing it. Ampersand82 (talk) 14:29, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Oregon City College
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 12:03, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Ater Wynne
Hello! Your submission of Ater Wynne at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Viriditas (talk) 08:03, 16 May 2014 (UTC)


 * Action is needed on this nomination; issues raised on May 16 and 18 have not been addressed. BlueMoonset (talk) 18:45, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

Henry L. Corbett image
AM: Thanks for upgrading photo image in Henry L. Corbett article. I looked all over for good image, but best I could find was poor quality 1903 photo from Oregonian.--Orygun (talk) 22:04, 18 May 2014 (UTC)

Categorization
Hello.

I saw your revert. If "this is the standard categorization scheme", then the majority of the "Mayors of Foo" categories are miscategorized. See Category:American politicians by city. I only changed four, to conform to the majority.

Several categories of the type "Foo City Council members" are also missing where the category "Mayors of Foo" exists, e.g. for Hartford, Connecticut (which can be found in the above category tree), so what to do there?

By the way, where is the standard categorization scheme documented?

HandsomeFella (talk) 06:41, 19 May 2014 (UTC)
 * As to having mayor cats but not city councilor cats, mayors are usually more notable than plain city councilors, so the later have simply not been made yet. Honestly, I think many people fail to realize in many cases, mayors are also members of the council. As this link discusses, the also a member of the council is more common, but bigger cities tend not to use that model. As such, since it is the bigger cities that tend to have these cats on Wikipedia, the non-member is more common on Wikipedia. Which means, this has to be taken on a case-by-case basis, as in this instance, Hillsboro mayors are also city councilor's (which is why the mayor voted last week). Anyway, my example is the only other Oregon city with a councilors cat Portland. Aboutmovies (talk) 07:02, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

High Desert Discovery Scenic Byway

 * Thanks for weighing-in on High Desert Discovery Scenic Byway article. You are right about the Wiki-Roads folks (at least one of them)…they want things their way.  I’ve been carrying on one-on-one discussion with User:Imzadi1979 on his Talk Page; and it’s pretty clear routes must be addressed south-to-north even when their own rules say to follow the mile post progression and there’s video evidence that Discovery byway/OR 205 is numbered north-to-south.  I would have probably re-written the article to comply with Wiki-Road’s rule if the mile posts went the other way.  However, it bothers me when editor quotes Wiki-Roads rule and then ignore the same rule when my case turns out to be a bona fide exception.  In any case, just wanted to thank you for standing up for Wiki-Oregon assessment process.--Orygun (talk) 19:50, 25 May 2014 (UTC)

Precious again
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Thank you for quality articles on people and places of Oregon, such as Charles L. McNary and Oregon Supreme Court, for starting categories and populating them, such as Category:Hochschule für Musik und Tanz Köln, and for I realizing "that consensus can be wrong", - you are an awesome Wikipedian!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:21, 4 June 2013 (UTC) A year ago, you were the 505th recipient of my Pumpkin Sky Prize, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:23, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Ater Wynne
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:03, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

Differences between Start and C class articles
You recently gave a Start class rating to the Law of New Jersey, Law of North Carolina, and Law of Pennsylvania articles, but gave a C class rating to the Law of Ohio article. What is the difference between them? Int21h (talk) 22:53, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
 * All are very similar, and all are on the border between start and C, but the Ohio comes across as better developed (compare the local ordinances sections between OH and PA for instance) and is better referenced that the others. Aboutmovies (talk) 05:51, 14 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Sounds reasonable. :) Int21h (talk) 06:01, 14 June 2014 (UTC)

Habeas Corpus Act 1816
Thanks for evaluating Habeas Corpus Act 1816; could you provide some more detail on what you think it needs to be more than a start-class article? Thanks! Ironholds (talk) 06:34, 14 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Sections and more depth on the act itself. You covered the pre-history well and some commentary on it, but little on the act itself. Aboutmovies (talk) 07:03, 14 June 2014 (UTC)
 * That's fair; I can add some content there. Ironholds (talk) 08:13, 14 June 2014 (UTC)

Harry V. Gates - slight edit
Hi AboutMovies -

First off, great job on all your work. My wife was thrilled to discover the Harry V Gates entry, as she is his great-great-granddaughter. We then found all of your articles, many of which are interesting to us as native Oregonians (now living in Idaho).

One discrepancy she found, as she has been pursuing family history, is that Harry actually had four children, one of whom, John, only lived into his late 20s. So his three surviving children at the time of Harry's death are who got picked up in obituary material.

I'd be happy to make the edit, but she's going off Ancestry.com records, and not the contradicting (1) and (3) references in the article. I wonder how this might be done in keeping with proper Wikipedia protocol?

Thanks, JFLYONS — Preceding unsigned comment added by JFLYONS (talk • contribs) 16:10, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
 * The problem with Ancestry.com is we do not consider it a reliable source. This is because it is similar to Wikipedia in that much of the content is user generated. So it can become circular. As an FYI, you cannot cite from one Wikipedia article to another for that same reason. However, sometimes the content on Ancestry.com is supported by other documentation, such as Census records, and often times we can cite to those documents. Or see if you can find some other source, such as another obituary. The source does not have to be online, just verifiable to someone (such as a newspaper archived at your local library, just provide enough of a citation to where someone could potential check). Hope that helps. Aboutmovies (talk) 19:42, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

hi about movies i have a question
first of all thank you for editing my user talk page i didnt even know how it existed but my question is how did you find my page and why do you go around putting helpfull stiff at new users pages

Signed ultamite quan master june 　24 th 2014 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ultamite Quan Master (talk • contribs) 07:03, 25 June 2014 (UTC)
 * I found it as I often go through the "recent changes" looking for users who have made edits, but still have a red linked talk page (which means they have not yet had any messages). The why is because I try to make new users' first message from Wikipedia not negative. Often time the first message a new user gets is about how they did something wrong, so I try to counter that, plus then provide new users with some helpful links. (FYI, when signing a talk page, be sure to use four tildes [ ~ ]) Aboutmovies (talk) 14:22, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for that information [ ~ ]) Ultamite Quan Master (talk)