User talk:Alansohn/Archive 23

DYK for Eunice Taylor
Number 455 (328 create/expand - 127 nominations)

Please control yourself
please refrain from letting users add unverified information to the mowbray college wiki page

-CakeMace —Preceding unsigned comment added by CakeMace (talk • contribs) 03:27, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

um, help with AFD tag removal?
Can you take a look at this? If you look at the history, it's been reverted several times. Argh. tedder (talk) 04:09, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Italics
hi i think you helped clean my page Mark Howard (producer). you added italics to "acadie" and "Wrecking ball". ive tried to continue in this fashion exactly with the codes you seem to use but have had no luck. do you think you could tell me how you did this??? thanks alot--Charliedylan (talk) 20:17, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Robert Pauley
Number 456 (329 create/expand - 127 nominations)

excuse me?
you have got to be kidding, Drake Bell Dodson? where did Dodson come from? how could you threaten to block me when someone added that nonsense to the page? i'm really confused...this site bothers me. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.240.9.26 (talk) 01:32, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Sources show that as his full name. Do you have any sources to the contrary? Alansohn (talk) 01:34, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Ha, there are no sources for "Dodson"...that's why it was removed from the page. Next time, get your facts right, pal. 96.240.9.26 (talk) 16:49, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

Thank you
At least he spelled 'faggot' correctly this time. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 19:07, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
 * A vandal who spell checks his epithets is always an improvement on the usual illiterate from vandals. Alansohn (talk) 19:19, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
 * A slight improvement... do you think I should tell him that I'm actually a dyke, not a faggot? -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 19:20, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

thanks
hey thanks for your help. ive worked it out now and made the changes. did you take two of my notes/sources off??? i had 16 but now only 14. could you tell me which ones and why? cheers--Charliedylan (talk) 23:59, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

Gold Hill
http://digg.com/d1ri3A

My edits make perfect sense and are constructive. You have now deleted them two times. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jack.welty (talk • contribs) 00:51, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Gordon Chambers
Number 457 (330 create/expand - 127 nominations)

Your deletion
How was my adding Obama to that page vandalism? Getting to trigger happy. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 166.135.3.91 (talk) 17:40, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Alansohn was inducted into The Hall of The Greats
I second Julian's emotion. -->David Shankbone  18:43, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Latting Observatory
Number 458 (331 create/expand - 127 nominations)

Got it
thanks so much i had no idea how to find that info. thanks for all your help and being patient with my stumbling and fumbling! cheers--Charliedylan (talk) 05:16, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Elsie B. Washington
Number 459 (332 create/expand - 127 nominations)

DYK for Rodger McFarlane
Number 460 (333 create/expand - 127 nominations)

Sorry, My Bad!
I was changing the doubles one that I forgot to rename the header before I transfered it from my sandbox! I was just making it clear that it was doubles rather than singles! Tennis Authority 03:19, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Thank-You for your apology, and thanks for bringing it to my attention! Your Fine! Good overlook and overseeing! Tennis Authority 03:39, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Robert J. Sinclair
Number 461 (334 create/expand - 127 nominations)

DYK for Sid Laverents
Number 462 (335 create/expand - 127 nominations)

DYK for William J. Passmore
Number 463 (336 create/expand - 127 nominations)

Elaine Benes
This guy keeps deleting the reference to keep it "consistent". As you check the history? He seems to go at no end to keep the reference out. I don't want to keep reverting so I need some help in dealing with this guy. Even when I talk to him, he seems to stand firm and thinks I own the page which is not true because I know some rules about Wikipedia but not all. I don't know what to do? Should I give in and say he wins? Let me know. Thank you. Johnnyauau2000 (talk) 02:25, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I have seen the back-and-forth on this and have wanted to step in on this. While I agree with you that the sourced attribution to Carol Leifer should appear in the Elaine Benes article, the question may be if it should appear in the lead or elsewhere in the article. Alansohn (talk) 02:34, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I agree. Because he also added some link beside it saying "keep the reference off full stop". Now if people read it, they might think that the character Elaine Benes is made up (true) and is not based on Jerry's and Larry's ex-girlfriend. I'm open to put it in other articles like the episode "The Lip Reader" in which she first wrote for Seinfeld or whether the reference stay in Elaine's article. I'll let him revert it again and we'll think of a solution soon. Take your time and if you know a way around it, let's hope it works out. Johnnyauau2000 (talk) 04:17, 25 May 2009 (UTC)


 * One more thing, although I know little about AF or in normal terms the abuse filter, I believe he's definetely going to extremes to keep that reference out. I don't have special powers like blocking the IP but I'm just worried if he abuses his power and goes to far with his idea without even thinking about the others who is also editing the page. I mean before that, Chocolateboy took down half the page and that cost every editors work and I tried very hard to keep it. I don't want to be mean or have a dispute over something ridiculous but I just wish there's something me or you can do to resolve this standoff and I hope he doesn't take his abuse filter too far and stop people putting in there preferences. So if you have a solution, let me know. Johnnyauau2000 (talk) 04:11, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Newt Heisley
Number 464 (337 create/expand - 127 nominations)

yo i dontk now how to make new things on here but im just sayin, sry i messed aroudn just now. purely out of fun. wont happen again. thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by 60.51.59.218 (talk) 15:36, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Thanks!
Much appreciate the kind words on the DYK! — Hunter Kahn  ( contribs )  02:37, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

De Godoy
Your reversion constitutes vandalism. Please do not continue to reflexively replace content without explanation or checking the quality. And lay off the templates. WP 02:09, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Coming here to say the same, as I'm concerned about the templates and reversions you made on Godoy. Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 03:46, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I had looked through both edits that I reverted on Manuel de Godoy made by User:Doubleyoupea and both removed very extensive portions of source material, gutting major portions of the article each time. The first edit offered no explanation whatsoever for the extensive content removal other than stating that Cluebot was being reverted. Extensive removal of sourced content combined with no explanation in an edit summary is almost always vandalism and I had no reason to believe that there was justification to remove the sourced content that had been in the article that I had read and reviewed. The second edit included an edit summary that seemed to challenge my ignorance for making the revert but offered no explanation of the changes, and I reread the article and again saw extensive content removed, including significant portions of sourced material, and saw no justification. Rather than explaining the edits, the edit summary of the second edit and the message left here were both consistent with the type of "no, you're the vandal, I dare you to revert" messages left by vandals, nor did the small handful of edits in the past made by this user give me any confidence that this would be someone who had the ability to make major changes in one fell swoop to an article of this scale and scope. I saw no discussion of the edits on the talk page for the article and the original edit seemed to be a kneejerk undoing of a Cluebot reversion of removed content. I do apologize for the terse templates, but that's what Huggle provides. I guess that it is possible that more detective work might have uncovered the fact that these edits were productive, but the combination of the pattern of evidence that I had seen -- removal of extensive portions of sourced content, edit summary offering no explanation other than a revert of Cluebot, a message left on my talk page that offered little more than a claim of vandalism on my part, no discussion on the article take page, an editor who had no more than a few dozen edits and few recent edits making a very major change to an article that seemed to be primarily removing content -- all led me to the conclusion that this was vandalism. Alansohn (talk) 15:33, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
 * User:Doubleyoupea is himself reverting to a much earlier 'better' version by user:Yomangan (give or take a few words) - see this diff. It's fairly clear there was no consensus for the earlier 'better' version (as it was immediately reverted) or for this. Occuli (talk) 17:27, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Lee Solters
Number 465 (338 create/expand - 127 nominations)

DYK: James J. Galdieri & James A. Galdieri
Number 466-467 (340 create/expand - 127 nominations)

INFRINGEMENT
Hey Alansohn, I think there was a vandal yesterday doing the same kind of thing as 172.130.19.37, though I'd have to plow through my history--I think I rolled that kind of edit back once or twice. (I'm dropping you a line cause you just beat me to it, rolling back on Chris Fedak.) Thanks, Drmies (talk) 01:44, 26 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the heads up. I think we've crossed paths on a number of other vandals. Alansohn (talk) 19:26, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

DYK for William Glenn
Number 468 (341 create/expand - 127 nominations)

DYK for David Friedland
Number 469 (342 create/expand - 127 nominations)

Linking poop
Just to let you know, I've linked to your "Dumping poop" section from my user page. Please feel free to change the link there if you ever move this inspired account of the Huggle experience. Also, I wanted to suggest changing "almost absolutely" to "virtually" or "next to" nothing. It's a little awkward as-is. Other than that, I thought you were spot-on. Recognizance (talk) 06:47, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the kind words and the link. I've made the change you suggested along with some other tweaks. Alansohn (talk) 18:17, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Layla bint Harmalah
Thanks for keeping an eye open. I waited a while to see if they would delete that content a third time, but it really was bedtime... I will readily admit I'm no expert on these matters, but in case of doubt the benefit should go to the established text, esp. given the edit summaries. Still, I didn't use rollback and didn't leave a vandal warning; by the time you reverted, a warning was more than appropriate. So thanks again, and keep up the good work! Drmies (talk) 14:29, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
 * BTW, congrats on all the recent DYKs--you've been pretty busy, and those are goodlooking articles. Drmies (talk) 14:31, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I've been seeing that article pop up again, and I was also leery of the changes made. Thanks for the note about DYKs. I try to push myself to create about an average of an article a day, and nothing makes me happier than to be able to fill in a hole that exists in Wikipedia's collection. Alansohn (talk) 18:08, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Vandalism on Vinny Ball
You recently warned of vandalism for his edits on Vinny Ball. All I could see that he did was add a hangon tag with an explanation. Admittedly, it was a lame explanation, and would not have withstood an admin's review, but I don't know that I'd call it vandalism. WikiDan61 ChatMe!ReadMe!! 16:35, 28 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I can't recall what had triggered my revert, and in the absence of the original edit (as the article has been deleted) and the concerns you have raised, I have removed the warning. Alansohn (talk) 18:05, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Yehoshua Zettler
Number 470 (343 create/expand - 127 nominations)

Greetings Alansohn
You seem to have been doing the counter-vandalism process for a long time. As I'm trying to be useful on Wikipedia, I decided my first step will be to revert obvious vandalism. I've been at it for a little while, got a few thousand reverts under my belt, and was curious if you had any useful counter vandal information you could provide. Obviously you've seen alot more than me, and have surely have learned something I haven't. Thank you. I also found your "dumping poop" and "a matter of good and evil" sections interesting. :-)   Fyyer   00:12, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

FA Nomination; Ryan Braun
Hi. I've nominated Ryan Braun to be a Featured Article. As you were an editor, you may wish to contribute your view as to whether it should be a FA. The discussion of the FA comment process can be found at, and the page that you can go in through to leave comments is the article's talk page at. Same hold for Kevin Youkilis, which I think is only lacking in that we need to work on the inline ciations. Many thanks.--Epeefleche (talk) 08:08, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Message for blanking page
I am author of Mid-atlantic Pagan Alliance. The organization folded a year ago, and I am finally getting around to cleaning up some left-overs. I wanted to have speedy deletion of this article. And as I am the substantial contributor of this article I blanked the page to initiate the Speedy deletion. The following is the policy that I followed.

"Author requests deletion, if requested in good faith, and provided the page's only substantial content was added by its author. (For redirects created as a result of a pagemove, the mover must also have been the only substantive contributor to the page prior to the move.) If the author blanks the page (outside user space), this can be taken as a deletion request. "

Please let me know the proper procedure to initiate speedy deletion otherwise.MCWicoff (talk) 03:33, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Toilet Paper edit
Why is it unconstrutive? The Great Cornholio has alot to do with toilet paper. If this is unconstruthive, why is the same link on the Bunghole page? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hunterdude64 (talk • contribs) 03:23, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

Alexis Bledel
I am trying to add the correct name of Alexis Bledel's mother to her article. Why do you continue to undo my edits??? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.135.50.207 (talk) 05:13, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
 * The information appears to be false. If you have a source that shows the various names you've added (Lupe, Conchita Juanita, etc.) are correct, please prove me wrong. Alansohn (talk) 05:19, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

How do you know that "Nanette" is her mother's real name and not Lupe? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.135.50.207 (talk) 05:20, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I did a search after your first edit and found this source. Her mother's name is not Lupe, Conchita Juanita or Consuela; It's Nanette. Alansohn (talk) 05:23, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Dear Alansohn - why has the page on Alexis Bledel been locked? I have some interesting new information I would like to add to the article, but when I push "edit" I get a message saying that the article has been temporarily locked. I see that you have gotten into a dispute with some other user about vandalizing the page. I have actual interesting new information concerning a new movie of hers. How would I add it to the page? 71.135.63.193 (talk) 04:03, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I have nothing to do with protecting the page, but you could check with User:Toddst1. It seems that there are vandals out there with no interest in improving this or other similar articles. Semi-protection limits edits to established editors. Alansohn (talk) 04:25, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks
For reverting the vandalism on my talk page! Matt Deres (talk) 01:50, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Chicken fried bacon
Hey Alansohn, is this blasphemy, perpetrated upon the food of the gods, not worthy of serious physical punishment? ;) Drmies (talk) 19:12, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for reverting the vandalism on my talk page. I saw it on huggle, but you reverted it before I did. :P Lәo(βǃʘʘɱ) 19:31, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Terry McAuliffe
Alansohn, my revisions simply removed unnecessary and suspiciously timed information on the Terry McAuliffe page. It's the biased "controversies" that is the vandalism. Why not discuss this on the talk page there, rather than undo edits without joining the discussion? Whatrocks11 (talk) 19:35, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

People Born in Guam are Native-Born Citizens
The article has an error. People born in Guam are native-born citizens. I know because I used to live on Guam. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 211.54.35.200 (talk) 03:48, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, they are. It was the additional material removed that raised an issue, one I am still researching. Alansohn (talk) 13:43, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Notification

 * Request for clarification

There is a request for clarification regardling your current restriction. - jc37 15:01, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Islamic view of anal sex
There is something wrong. In that article there are a lot of incorrect information. I try to fix the article and gave a reference to each sentence I wrote, someone removed my changes and explain that kind of act by simple untrue statement "the article is not neutral". —Preceding unsigned comment added by Arabic muslim (talk • contribs) 19:27, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Please see your user talk page for my reply. Alansohn (talk) 23:25, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks

 * Thanks for the recognition, but it's all in a vandal-fighter's day's work. Alansohn (talk) 23:30, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for looking out...
Your speedy reverts [] erased another (two to be exact) eye sore. Thank you Again ! Maxis ftw (talk) 23:11, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks. It's the least I can do. Alansohn (talk) 23:30, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

My Article
Thanks for your concern on vandalism but Matt Decker is my article so therefore I can't vandalise my own article and I would have no interest in editing my own article in a negative way. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ulyanov322 (talk • contribs)
 * I now understand what it is that you're trying to do. There are a few problems: You don't own this or any other article and you may want to see WP:OWN for further details. The article title should not include a title, a la Commodore Matt Decker, and should probably be Matt Decker (or Matt Decker (Star Trek) if there is an issue with the unqualified title). Alansohn (talk) 23:30, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

West Shore, Staten Island
Hi, Thanks for sourcing this. Trilobyte fossil (talk) 21:04, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm glad I saw the article and was able to find sources for much of the material. It could still use some more work. Alansohn (talk) 23:30, 2 June 2009 (UTC)


 * I think I've completed what you started. Maybe you'd like to throw an eye over it?  Trilobyte fossil (talk) 16:50, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
 * More steps in the right direction. Thanks for the updates. Alansohn (talk) 17:43, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

please revert your revert
as i did explain it on the talk page. thanks. 93.86.201.173 (talk) 16:27, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

It was a hacker falut and can't fix it up!
i so sorry and it not my falut!my name is ben z —Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.15.244.71 (talk) 04:18, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Heritability of IQ
Hi, your revert to this article restored some typos. I guess this was not what you intended... --Crusio (talk) 09:46, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

From 71.59.225.194
Don't feel like getting all that snugly-poo with the Wiki deal Mr. Sohn so I'm just chattin toya here'n'now. Saw a page with Sohn Sohn Sohn and no intuitive way to address you so here is my evil. I observe that you simply completely reverted to your former writings on alternative housing after I took the time to alter them. I altered them in such a way as to draw attention to their having been altered. I observe you have been wronged by your standards Sir. I hope that among the slew of editorial sabatages you suffer mine were no great blows. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.59.225.194 (talk) 07:26, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Offensive section in the article Two nation Theory
Okay, I have put those views in a seperate article

Pakistani viewpoint about creation of Bangladesh

Because I find the section

Creation of Bangladesh

In the aritcle Two-Nation Theory very offensive and against Two nation theory. It is not neutral at all. It is anti-Pakistani.

--ChJameel (talk) 22:35, 4 June 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by ChJameel (talk • contribs)

"Self-censorship"
Just so that you are aware, the only reason I pulled the words was because upon reflection I realized that you'd use it as just one more of your attempts to make a CFD discussion about me instead of about the topic at hand. But I have to congratulate you for managing to make it about me anyway. Be sure to keep the link handy for next time. Otto4711 (talk) 21:56, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I haven't filed it away yet, but thanks for the reminder. We had made a deal earlier which you reneged upon under which you wouldn't directly comment on my posts at XfD and I wouldn't directly respond to yours. I think that our collective track record has shown that you have yet to convince me to change my mind, and that these discussions have only helped highlight the rampant inconsistencies in how CfD works, only wasting time, and filling up a lot of disk space. While many of the admins who frequent CfD seem to turn a blind eye to your personal attacks and incivility, your recent block should provide rather clear evidence that objective admins untainted with conflicts of interest brought about by personal contact with you will not tolerate actions on your part which make anything I have ever said or done pale in comparison. I'm offering this deal again to take effect upon your agreement here. I'm better off, you're better off and Wikipedia is better off if we don't waste our time responding to each other. Alansohn (talk) 22:27, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks
...for this. You would think that someone that could come up with "Fixed ideological Bias" would be capable of more substantive contribution. See ya 'round  Tide  rolls  04:34, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

Why did you revert my change?
If homophobia is discrimination, then so is arachnaphobia.--114.76.212.56 (talk) 06:21, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

NY Senate control
You reverted my change, and said I needed citiations... which there already were in the first section of the article.

What more do you want? Please read the pages you are reverting my changes were accurate, yours were dead wrong. You are reverting back to something that doesn't even apply anymore. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.241.183.159 (talk) 22:02, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Obit
Hey Alansohn, I know you write a lot of articles on recently deceased people after their obituaries come out; I have one from a few days ago that I remember thinking would be article-worthy, but I haven't had time to take any action on it now, and I'm not sure if I will be able to for a little while, so if you're interested then it's an easy article you can do. (If you're not interested, of course, no big deal&mdash;I might be able to get around to it eventually, too.) Here are the sources:


 * (for this one you need to scroll down a bit to get to the actual article)
 * (for this one you need to scroll down a bit to get to the actual article)
 * (for this one you need to scroll down a bit to get to the actual article)
 * (for this one you need to scroll down a bit to get to the actual article)

Best, r ʨ anaɢ talk/contribs 02:17, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I guess I have a reputation. I looked through and there appears to be enough to make an interseting article that i will do my best to create later today. Alansohn (talk) 05:13, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

File:Byron M. Baer.jpg listed for deletion
An image or media file that you uploaded or altered, File:Byron M. Baer.jpg, has been listed at Files for deletion. Please see the discussion to see why this is (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry), if you are interested in it not being deleted. Damiens .rf 03:17, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Tip
You should consider Archiving some of thouse discussions, this page is hideously long. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.125.138.48 (talk) 04:59, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
 * It helps ward off vandals. Autoarchiving never seems to work as well as it's advertised. Alansohn (talk) 14:13, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Re: Idioglossia
Sorry about the missing edit summaries on the Idioglossia article. One revision was a minor linking fix that I believe is uncontroversial. The other, a "See also" link to Home sign, definitely merited some explanation. I'm going to restore the former revision and add the latter to Talk:Idioglossia; please don't see this as edit warring. -- Control.valve (talk) 04:42, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I have reviewed the edits and thank you for your additional details. Alansohn (talk) 04:46, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

DYK for Tom Green (basketball coach)
Number 471 (344 create/expand - 127 nominations)

Categorization/Eponymous RFC
FYI. I'm curious to see your comments. Postdlf (talk) 08:09, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the heads up. Alansohn (talk) 15:02, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

User:Alansohn Get off my back
Hey I was just trying to "disambiguate" one WikiPedia Statement. Is that too much to take?

I am really tired of you so-called "editors", by the way, and the nonsense you impose on me. So go ahead and be as immature as a typical "wikiPedia" editor can be and "ban" me or my "IP" forever, and be known as the choot you are. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.162.158.157 (talk) 14:58, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Your recent edit adds the words "not the real Naples" to a fully-disambiguated Naples, Florida. That is too much to take. Alansohn (talk) 15:01, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks
For reverting the vandalism on my talk page. --Abce2 | Access Denied 15:16, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I guess I was returning the favor. We vandal fighters have to watch each other's backs. It's amazing how brazen vandals are becoming. Alansohn (talk) 15:18, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Forget you I can put what I want
I can put what ever I want to chlorophyll it's a free editing website. If you are going to keep doing that go screw your self and get off so elementary school children can have an easier definiton for words. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tylergibson3440 (talk • contribs) 20:21, 10 June 2009 (UTC) Listen I didn't type that I have hundreds of viruses and someone must have hacked me or something. I swear I didn't do that. Forgive who ever did that, but it wasn't me. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tylergibson3440 (talk • contribs) 20:21, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

San Diego Thunder
Can you please clarify the justification behind this edit to San Diego Thunder? Seems to be a good-faith AfD nom to me. KuyaBriBri Talk 20:26, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
 * There were two different edits, and the AfD info appeared to have been put in the wrong article, with an error message stating that the template was misplaced, but the wrong article was reverted due to my clear confusion. I thank you for the catch on my error and for reverting what was a clear mistake. Alansohn (talk) 21:25, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Ham
Try finding out why an edit was made before you give out a warning Thecityone (talk) 00:03, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
 * The material you removed came directly from a reliable source. The revert is accompanied by a warning. Alansohn (talk) 01:24, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Photos in bilaterals
Please see comments here Talk:Belgium–Mexico relations. LibStar (talk) 04:29, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I see that you feel that they're not necessary, but that still doesn't become a reason for removal. As I see it, the image adds context to the article and in almost any other context I would have reverted it as vandalism. It was only after further review that I see that it's merely an argument over personal preference on the issue. If you want to point me towards a talk page, I'd suggest that you point me towards a discussion at Talk:Czech Republic – Iceland relations that shows a consensus for removal; The link to Talk:Belgium–Mexico relations only seems to show that there is no consensus anywhere for their removal. Alansohn (talk) 04:35, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Thank you
Until the recent incident in Riverdale, I had no idea how many bombings there had been in this country  I just put up a page on another one. It is truly shocking.Historicist (talk) 15:05, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
 * It's happened to me dozens of times that I was stunned by the absence of a single article, whose creation led to dozens more being written. You've become a very productive editor. Alansohn (talk) 15:11, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Normandy Landing
Are you a person or a bot? I want an explanation as to why the Normandy Landing edits are being reverted, as they make NO sense. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 139.48.25.60 (talk • contribs)
 * This edit is vandalism, plain and simple. If you have content issues, discuss at the talk page without using vandalism to make a point. Alansohn (talk) 18:52, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

This is your last warning. You will be blocked from editing the next time you vandalize a page, as you did with this edit to Normandy Landings. Alansohn (talk) 18:46, 11 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Explain how "edits" are now "vandalism".139.48.25.60 (talk) 18:50, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, you are replacing a section with "Hi. hihi." What is that other than vandalism? -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 18:50, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
 * ARGH. Didn't see that. Trying to put the sectors back. Some constructive assistance would be nice, rather than threats.139.48.25.60 (talk) 18:53, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
 * WAIT - there is no HI HI HI on the page itself - it shows up in the "changes" which is weird, but not on the page - it is some kind of glitch. Look at the finished page.139.48.25.60 (talk) 18:56, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
 * the 'hihihi' is there in the version you created- they're right at the end of the introductory section. But if it was unintentional, whiel you were trying to do something more useful... that's good!  We like people who aren't vandals. :)  I don't know enough about the subject to have any opinion about your other edits.  -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 19:02, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I see no "hihihi" anywhere on that page. Do it. Search the entire page for "hi". IT'S NOT THERE. It appears in the list of changes though, which is strange - a glitch. For the 2nd time, I obviously didn't do that. DAMN BUT WIKIPEDIA is a bloated, miopic exercise in administrivia and bureacracy. I'm sorry I continue to bother. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 139.48.25.60 (talk) 19:07, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
 * It has been corrected in the current version, but if you look at the version of the page that I linked to, it's at the end of the introductory section, right before the table of contents box. I promise that it is there. I am looking right at it; if you were here in the room with me, I could point to the screen and show you. Are you really going to insult us at this point for reverting those edits? Why not say, "Thank you, I didn't mean to restore vandalism to the encyclopedia, and I appreciate your fixing my mistake," and then go back and make the useful changes you wanted to make? You don't want nonsense on that page, we don't want nonsense on that page, so we're all on the same side. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 19:11, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

the problem is that there is already a page on "hurricanes", but it is about tropical storms, I want to create a page on Hurricanes (wilma, andrews, etc.) —Preceding unsigned comment added by NoduloMan (talk • contribs) 21:24, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

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La Católica
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Pete Milne
As I posted on the DYK talk page, I've added another 2K of prose to this page to bring it past the lower limit. It's basically a run-down of his professional career. Do I need to relist it, or just leave it as is? -Dewelar (talk) 03:41, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

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DYK for Lawrence Sher
Number 472 (345 create/expand - 127 nominations)

Apperception
My edit (a revert) was not vandalism, it was repairing vandalism perpetrated by B9_Hummingbird_Hovering. The explanation for same was in the edit summary. B9 was restoring material that was deleted as OR (As discussed on the talk page of that article). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.139.41.131 (talk) 08:38, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I see now on further review of your history you seem to have a problem (mis)identifying vandalism. Please review [] before making any more such accusations. Let me call particular attention to this passage: "if an editor treats situations which are not clearly vandalism as such, then that editor may harm the encyclopedia by alienating or driving away potential editors." Thanks! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.139.41.131 (talk) 19:29, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Fine. Be that as it may, you will at least concede that my edit was not vandalism. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.139.41.131 (talk) 05:32, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Phi phenomena
Hi. I have reverted your un-blanking of this page and tagged it db-author, because who blanked it was the author and (apart from a trivial correction) the only author, and gave reasons on its talk page for withdrawing it, saying he had decided it was misleading and would incorporate the material elsewhere. I had myself had some doubts about the article, which was why it was on my watch-list. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 13:29, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I tried to go back as far as I could in Huggle but did not make the connection between blanker and creator. While the article does (or did) have issues, it did contain legitimate encyclopedic content that made the blanking appear as vandalism. Alansohn (talk) 13:33, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Understood: I agree there is useful content, and he says on the talk page "...I will incorporate it into the entry for apparent movement when I have the time" so it will not be lost. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 13:39, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Your welcome
Your warm words of welcome mean a lot to me. Thank you. Debresser (talk) 16:08, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

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Plenty more to come!
Hi Alan; thanks for your note on my reaching 200 "DYK"s. It was only when I started messing around with a new userpage design and creating a separate list of my hooks that I realised I had undercounted by about 6, hence the sudden leap above 200! There is indeed a never-ending list of new articles to write on churches, buildings and the like ... having exhausted Brighton and Hove's vast array of churches, I'm about to move on to my home district, where there are at least 25 which need articles. Then the corresponding village articles need expanding... The funny thing is, when I started writing WP articles 3 years ago I never thought I would specialise in this area: I knew nothing about architecture etc. Railway-related stuff was all I could offer. But this work has given me a whole new area of interest, and now I can't wait to find the time to research and write more to fill in those gaps! <font face="Helvetica"><font color="#00BFFF">Hassocks <font color="#228B22">5489 (tickets please!) 22:44, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I can't count the number of times that a red link or a newspaper item led me to create a "missing" article which led in turn to a second and then a third all connected to that original missing subject. I try to aim to create a new article each day, and even though I fall short many times, the act of creating a new article and getting a little pat on the back when a DYK notice is put on my talk page only adds to the reward of filling in hole that existed in Wikipedia. The next 200 are far easier (even if I haven't made it there yet). Alansohn (talk) 01:20, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

re: vandalism to your page
I removed some vandalism left here by an IP, and found said IP had already received the requisite warnings for a block, so I sent it to AIV. LonelyBeacon (talk) 12:49, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
 * LB, thanks for the revert and for taking this vandal to AIV. It's astounding how disruptive these vandals are and I appreciate the efforts of all those who join me in trying to deal with the problem. Alansohn (talk) 12:59, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Sadly, AIV refused to block this vandal. I left a query at the admin's talk page that labeled this as "not vandalism".  Sometimes I just don't get it. LonelyBeacon (talk) 13:02, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Looks like the IP got blocked anyway. LonelyBeacon (talk) 13:15, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
 * The wheels of Wikipedia justice can turn slowly, but with vandals we eventually get our man. Thanks for all of your help. Alansohn (talk) 13:20, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Criticism of the Anti-Defamation League
Can you give me your opinion on this one? thanks.Historicist (talk) 16:20, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

User Page Vandalism
Thanks for reverting the recent vandalism to my user page, it's much appreciated. ERK talk 21:32, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
 * It's the least I can do to watch the back of fellow Wikipedians. Alansohn (talk) 21:34, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

Re: Checkuser issues
In fact that's an awful wall of text and I unfortunately don't have much time for Wikipedia these days (and it's only getting worse). I'll leave that check to someone else. -- Luk  talk 14:59, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Is the checkuser itself dependent on the amount of evidence provided? Isn't the text behavioral evidence? Alansohn (talk) 15:01, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I need to read through it before making the check :). Whether the check is made, and the certainty of the results depends on what is said by both parties (because technical evidence can be misleading). -- Luk  talk 15:15, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
 * This has been open for a week and I spent the time and effort to provide detailed evidence of sockpuppetry for the editors/IPs involved to make this as solid as possible. I do understand that more evidence can be more to read and that you are burdened with real-world issues, but is there anything I can do to expedite the process, especially given that the sockpuppets cited have insisted that there is no connection and the puppetmaster has deleted the notifications on his talk page as "vandalism", even after recommending that any exculpatory information be provided if there is an overlap. Alansohn (talk) 16:42, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

List of castlevania characters
My edits are constructive. Your reverts are unconstructive. I am trying to be constructive and also follow NPOV. Essentially either Legends needs to be categorized under legends, for people trying to look up "Legends", or it needs to be linked back to the Castlevania: Legends article (which I did in the see also section). Looking up "non-canon" is quite unclear since people looking up information on "legends" won't find it by looking up "non-canon". "Legends" is a better categorization heading. I even left an explanation in the talk page but people seemed to have ignored it. I don't appreciate your fanatic accusations.Draculvania (talk) 16:31, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

I hope my explanation for my recent edit made more sense. I just can't see how non-canon heading can be seen as a constructive heading when people trying to look up specific information are going to have a better chance if they see the specific game they are looking for listed under the exact title. I wasn't trying to remove the information that the game is non-canon, but just trying to make it easier to search for by giving it its own heading (I made sure there was a non-canon note at the beginning of the legends section). I also apologize for calling you fanatic.Draculvania (talk) 16:56, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I can more or less understand the logic, but the main takeaway should be that the more information about your intentions the better, sort of like being careful to signal your turns when driving. Sure, others may be able to figure out why you cut across that lane of traffic, but if you signaled they would know it was coming. Alansohn (talk) 17:02, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

Oops! I'm sorry about that edit, that was very clumsy of me, it won't happen again. I'm really sorry about it! Alma Kusska (talk) 18:31, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

Apperception
Could you take a look at the editing history of this, which you inadvertently got involved in recently? It appears to me that User:B9 hummingbird hovering has his own original theory about Eastern concepts that he has decided are synonymous with "apperception", and won't take "prove it" for an answer. Seems to me like a pretty blatant WP:OR violation. -- Orange Mike  &#x007C;   Talk  19:50, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

James F. Calvert
Great work on starting and expanding that article. When you upload images, unless they're fair use, please upload them to Wikimedia Commons instead of en.Wikipedia. That way, they'll be available for everyone in all language Wikipedias. Also, please put the appropriate project boxes on the article discussion page. I did it for this article. Anyway, no big deal. Again, thanks for starting a quality article on this subject. Cla68 (talk) 23:49, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the reminders. These are two things I need to be more conscious of doing when creating articles. Alansohn (talk) 00:04, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

Desist!
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Vandalism
Ended up only half-blanking the page instead of all of it as intended. This was per consensus on the talk page. Derrial Book is to be deleted and the information on the page is not being moved anywhere. Myself and DrFluffy are for this and 199.126.152.28 is against. 2 to 1, we win, so don't stop us from deleting the page. And if the consensus changes from delete to merge (no reason why it should) they can just take data from the page history, so don't restore the page ever. It's gone for good. This is not vandalism. 65.120.179.226 (talk) 01:44, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks. And the talk page is pretty clear.  The page is to be removed by consensus.  Merging is too much work, so that's not happening.  Also, this will be happening to Malcolm Reynolds as well.  65.120.179.226 (talk) 01:57, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for following up with the heads up. I will look out for the changes. Alansohn (talk) 02:24, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

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 * , I edit many school articles among thousands of others and if I see that a source is needed I will do my best to add it. Policy dictates that and it's basic courtesy, but it's far easier to just revert an edit than do actual work. It's always best to add the needed reference rather than risk these needless reverts and the ensuing drama. Alansohn (talk) 02:59, 27 November 2019 (UTC)

User:24.47.220.3 and Wayne Valley High School
I've added Wayne Valley High School to my watchlist; if the "proud coach" resumes disruption when the block expires tomorrow, I'll impose a longer block. OhNo itsJamie Talk 21:46, 3 December 2019 (UTC)
 * thanks for the block and thanks for taking the time to check the source and correct the date in the article. I hope that the Coach doesn't return, but thanks again for stepping in, both as an editor and in your administrative capacity. Alansohn (talk) 22:18, 3 December 2019 (UTC)

BRD
Just a gentle reminder that the WP:BRD process is optional, so you can't demand that someone follow it. According to WP:BRD, it is best suited for use "While editing a particular page that many editors are discussing with little to no progress being made, or when an editor's concerns are not addressed on the talk page after a reasonable amount of effort." That doesn't seem to be the situation here. IMO it's generally more complicated than new editors can handle anyway. There are alternatives to BRD (several of which are listed in BRD itself) that would be reasonable and policy-compliant ways to respond to your reversion. WhatamIdoing (talk) 03:56, 27 November 2019 (UTC)
 * , no "demand" was made; it was offered as a model. Alansohn (talk) 04:04, 27 November 2019 (UTC)
 * "Per WP:BRD, any further issues with this content should be discussed..." sounds to me a lot like "Any further issues should be discussed with your mobile phone service provider" – like the person saying that believes that there is exactly one correct choice, and all other options are useless or worse.
 * If we tell good-faith new editors that they "should" do something, many of them will hear that they "must" do it. We even intend for people to interpret it that way sometimes.  Consider WP:DRR, which says "All content and conduct issues should be discussed at either the article or user talk pages before requesting dispute resolution."  That doesn't really leave me with the feeling that discussing the issue on a talk page before requesting help is an optional step.  WhatamIdoing (talk) 06:11, 27 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Worthy of consideration, though the extensive array of options may only add confusion rather than provide a path towards resolution. Alansohn (talk) 13:31, 27 November 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes. It might be easier to simplify:  "I'd be happy to talk about this" (with a link, because our discussion system is surprising and strange to newbies) or "Don't edit war", depending upon how much good faith should be assumed in the situation.  WhatamIdoing (talk) 04:06, 2 December 2019 (UTC)
 * , like many other editors, I have created canned edit summaries that I use for such situations. Your suggestion that the wording used would benefit from adjustment is well taken. Thanks again for the ideas; I will do my best to implement them. Alansohn (talk) 22:21, 3 December 2019 (UTC)

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Hi. Thanks for this edit. Looking at it again, I see that I garbled what I was trying to do. This was a drive-by edit prompted by something I happened to see in passing and I don't really remember where I was going with it except that I see that I was looking at page 60 of this and I vaguely remember that I intended to cite it but, in my garble, it didn't get in. That may of may not be useful to you. Cheers. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 20:48, 19 December 2019 (UTC)
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Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. ––<b style="color:#3399FF">Redditaddict69</b> <sup style="color:#339900">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(contribs)  21:36, 15 February 2020 (UTC)

Please stop damaging articles
You introduced a non-sentence in a recent edit: "Born and raised in Saint Croix, United States." Please be more careful: the opening sentence in a section is not the section title. <b style="color:darkgreen">Tony</b> (talk)  07:19, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

Please self-revert and discuss on talk page
You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war&#32; according to the reverts you have made on Edison, New Jersey; that means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be, when you have seen that other editors disagree. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus, rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.

Points to note: If you find yourself in an editing dispute, use the article's talk page to discuss controversial changes and work towards a version that represents consensus among editors. You can post a request for help at an appropriate noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, it may be appropriate to request temporary page protection. If you engage in an edit war, you may be blocked from editing.. --Hipal/Ronz (talk) 18:13, 28 February 2020 (UTC)
 * 1) Edit warring is disruptive regardless of how many reverts you have made;
 * 2) Do not edit war even if you believe you are right.
 * , again I don't think you have any understanding of what you're talking about. Before making further bullshit claims, read these polices and ask how reinserting sourced material about libraries constitutes "edit warring". Furthermore, it appears that you are the one engaging in an edit war. It astounds me that someone with more than 100,000 edits could be so utterly ignorant of polices, as evidenced by misunderstanding and / or misrepresentations of what is REFSPAM and unawareness of WP:PRESERVE. Please don't reply. Just start acting like you understand what you're doing. Alansohn (talk) 20:02, 28 February 2020 (UTC)
 * We differ on interpretation of policies. Edit-warring is not the solution, nor is your focus on me, nor your choice of words.
 * Is it too much to ask to work cooperatively with other editors rather than reverting? --Hipal/Ronz (talk) 20:06, 28 February 2020 (UTC)
 * , you're heading in the absolute wrong direction and further demonstrating your misunderstandings / misrepresentation of policy. In what way are details about libraries advertising? Alansohn (talk) 20:52, 28 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Again, it would really help if you refrained from comments like the first sentence of that remark.
 * As for the content, it's been pointed out multiple times on the article talk page, both generally and specifically.
 * Let's pick up the discussion at the article talk page, where we can elaborate there. --Hipal/Ronz (talk) 20:57, 28 February 2020 (UTC)
 * , simply labeling something as "advertising" doesn't make it so. I understand and appreciate your thirst to find reasons to remove sourced content, but what you started with -- removing the entire section -- was butchery, plain and simple. There is clearly encyclopedic material there and you acknowledge that. You would be better served by resisting the urge to make false claims of edit warring and using patently false justifications (e.g. SOAP) to remove content. Learn the policies first; then apply them. If there are reverts to be made, start by reverting your BS edit warring claim. Alansohn (talk) 21:02, 28 February 2020 (UTC)
 * , your self revert of your most recent edit is a step in the right direction. You still haven't removed the edit warring tag, but that can wait. I will step away from the article for the next 24 hours. I hope that you will do the same. I hope that we can both use that time to review relevant Wikipedia policies, review available sourcing and make a genuine effort to make the article better, not just making it smaller or keeping it the same. No reply is desired; show your good faith by stepping back and taking a deep breath, as I will be doing. Alansohn (talk) 21:22, 28 February 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm glad you're taking a break from the article. --Hipal/Ronz (talk) 22:08, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

WikiCup 2020 March newsletter
And so ends the first round of the competition. Everyone with a positive score moves on to Round 2, with 57 contestants qualifying. We have abolished the groups this year, so to qualify for Round 3 you will need to finish Round 2 among the top thirty-two contestants.

Our top scorers in Round 1 were:


 * Epicgenius, a WikiCup newcomer, led the field with a featured article, five good articles and an assortment of other submissions, specialising on buildings and locations in New York, for a total of 895 points.
 * Royal standard of England (1406–1603).svg Gog the Mild came next with 464 points, from a featured article, two good articles and a number of reviews, the main theme being naval warfare.
 * 🇺🇸 Raymie was in third place with 419 points, garnered from one good article and an impressive 34 DYKs on radio and TV stations in the United States.
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 * The top ten contestants at the end of Round 1 all scored over 200 points; they also included 🇺🇸 L293D, 🇻🇪 Kingsif, 🇦🇶 Enwebb, 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿 Lee Vilenski and 🇳🇵 CAPTAIN MEDUSA. Seven of the top ten contestants in Round 1 are new to the WikiCup.

These contestants, like all the others, now have to start scoring points again from scratch. In Round 1 there were four featured articles, one featured list and two featured pictures, as well as around two hundred DYKs and twenty-seven ITNs. Between them, contestants completed 127 good article reviews, nearly a hundred more than the 43 good articles they claimed for, thus making a substantial dent in the review backlog. Contestants also claimed for 40 featured article / featured list reviews, and most even remembered to mention their WikiCup participation in their reviews (a requirement).

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Marine Academy of Science and Technology
Hi Alan, I see that you've done some previous work on this article. I came across a fresh NYT article about the school, and given the other news coverage, I'm wondering if you think the story merits mention. I typically err on the side of WP:NOTNEWS, but this story seems to be fairly significant. Your thoughts? OhNo itsJamie Talk 16:29, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
 * , thanks for reaching out. I had read the article in the Times in full. It's a very lengthy article that goes beyond mere NOTNEWS that I think would merit inclusion, but I wanted to digest the story for a day or two before adding anything. Alansohn (talk) 16:54, 5 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Good call, I appreciate your input. I've added it to my watchlist; if someone else adds it first, we'll want to make sure it doesn't violate WP:WEIGHT. Cheers, OhNo itsJamie Talk 17:04, 5 March 2020 (UTC)

Paterson Police Department (New Jersey)
I have created this page, and quickly ran out of material. It is remarkable how little they have online. Perhaps you could lend a hand. Regards, --&#39;&#39;Paul, in Saudi&#39;&#39; (talk) 06:53, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

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Guttenberg
At Guttenberg, New Jersey, your edit added info which is in conflict with an earlier sentence in lead. 9th or 7th smallest? Would you mind having a look? Refs for first seem to be a calculation. ThanksDjflem (talk) 16:33, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
 * , I had an article that I was using about the ten smallest municipalities in the state. For most there was no issue, but I spotted that discrepancy for Guttenberg and I tried to word it that the data was from different sources. As the NJ.com article points out, the differences between the smallest municipalities is very small. Subtle differences in measurements in different data sets -- Census Bureau vs. NJDEP -- might change rankings. The Census Bureau source wasn't based on a calculation, but on a sort by size. It is weird and I will try to address any discrepancies. I'm glad that you and other editors are paying attention to issues like this. Thangs again! Alansohn (talk) 16:38, 18 March 2020 (UTC)

Howell
At Talk:Howell Township, New Jersey there is a discussion as to how to handle geo-stubs.Djflem (talk) 06:27, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

Francis J. McManimon
Hi-a section of Interstate 195 (New Jersey) runs through Mercer County, New Jersey. That section in Mercer County was name in honor of Francis J. McManimon. It is unclear as to how to insert this in the Interstate 195 (New Jersey) article; the highway in New Jersey was name after someone else. Thank you-RFD (talk) 11:51, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
 * , first off thanks for your updates to the article for McManimon and all of your other Wikipedia work I'd add the details on the honorary renaming to the Route description section and include the renaming in the notes column on the exit list. Does that make sense? Alansohn (talk) 12:47, 1 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you-RFD (talk) 13:16, 1 April 2020 (UTC)

Eastampton Township
Hello, I see recently you updated the Eastampton Township page. You put Anthony Zeno as the mayor of the town, and yes the mayors directory states he is the mayor. However, if you look on the township website (eastampton.com), it states Robert Apgar is the current mayor of Eastampton. As an Eastampton resident who attended a council meeting this year, I can confirm the new alignment is as followed:

Mayor: Robert Apgar (D, term ends 2020) Deputy Mayor: Dominic Santillo (D, term ends 2022) Councilmen: Anthony Zeno (D, term ends 2020), Eddie Besko (D, term ends 2022), Gerald "Jay" Springer (D, term ends 2020). — Preceding unsigned comment added by ZenomanKnows (talk • contribs) 07:07, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
 * I've found other such errors and been going through articles systematically to correct any errors. Thanks for the update. Alansohn (talk) 12:55, 5 April 2020 (UTC)
 * , I had updated the article two weeks ago using the website, but the website does not appear to be updated to reflect the membership and roles for 2020. I was able to get the details from the minutes. The article has been updated. Alansohn (talk) 14:29, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

Proof of the multiverse?
Maybe you can explain to me how a person can be "from" two places simultaneously. That would be a neat trick. Both the accomplishment and the explanation. But of your course you will never, never change your mind. Never! No one on Wikipedia EVER changes.Vmavanti (talk) 19:48, 12 April 2020 (UTC) —Vmavanti (talk) 23:54, 12 April 2020 (UTC)
 * , it's a lot simpler to be from two (or more) places in sequence, a feat that is most often accomplished by an advanced technology called "moving". Barack Obama, for example, is included in Category:Politicians from Honolulu, Category:Activists from Illinois and Category:People from Kalorama (Washington, D.C.) because he was born in Honolulu, moved to Chicago and then Washington, D.C. Hillary Clinton is in Category:People from Park Ridge, Illinois, Category:Politicians from Little Rock, Arkansas and Category:Westchester County, New York politicians because she was born in Illinois, moved to Arkansas and then New York State. To say that Barack Obama can't be included in Category:Activists from Illinois because he is from (and only from) Hawaii or that Hillary Clinton can't be in Category:Politicians from Little Rock, Arkansas because she is from (and only from) Illinois would be utterly ridiculous and would have you laughed off of (or blocked from) Wikipedia. You may want to examine your own ability to change your mind; it might well come in handy in this particular universe. Alansohn (talk) 20:06, 12 April 2020 (UTC)
 * I ask questions and I still look up words in a printed dictionary, at my age, including the word "from" just to check. I have no problem discussing, analyzing, talking, or questioning my assumptions. Any real-world editor worth his salt does the same. I hope you can, too -- really do it rather than talk about it, rather than respond impulsively or regurgitate hand-me-down notions someone gave you. You first comment asserts "moving" as an argument, as though I were an idiot and had never heard of such a thing. I'm going to ignore your examples of moving because they are insulting (a personal attack? oh, no, of course not), so I will "move on". In fact I believe the world population is more mobile than ever, hence the devastating impact of the Chinese virus. You seem to be confusing two ideas: origin and motion. The existence of motion doesn't erase origin from history any more than the existence of Wikipedia categories ipso facto means they are true or relevant or appropriate. Everyone knows there there are things on Wikipedia that are false. So what? It's a compilation of published material, and some published material is false. If the reduction of categories worries you (God knows why...) you can always come up another word besides "from" to apply to people who become residents of other states or countries, then you will have even more categories to add to articles. Oh, boy! Addition is fun! Deletion is evil!Vmavanti (talk) 20:34, 12 April 2020 (UTC)
 * I can take a punch. But I don't appreciate the nasty little insinuations and threats: 1) that I would be "laughed off" WP if only WP people knew how stupid I was and actually heard my nutty ideas 2) that I would be blocked for even expressing these ideas. I consider these comments impulsive, poorly considered, and exaggeration. People who traffic in words ought to be much more careful about the words they choose. Exaggeration is a literary trope best left to literature.Vmavanti (talk) 20:40, 12 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Way back when there was a TV show called Barney Miller. One of the characters was played by an actor named Jack Soo, who was born on a ship sailing to Japan as I learned one day in a publication called TV Guide. He is included in Category:People born at sea as well as Category:Male actors from Oakland, California. Sure, he was born on a boat, but he's from Oakland, because that's where he was raised. And if he moved elsewhere he could also have been included in other categories for those other places, just like Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton. Being "from" somewhere is in no way, shape or form limited to being "from" the place where someone was born and there is a rather clear and broad Wikipedia consensus that people can be "from" more than one place. I sincerely hope that Obama, Clinton and Soo can all serve as models and convince you.If you don't like my snippiness, I will apologize and point out that it was you who began this thread by insisting "But of your course you will never, never change your mind." I hope that you are better able in the future to recognize your own actions here, and perhaps even able to change your mind. Alansohn (talk) 21:10, 12 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Snippiness is one thing. That's a normal day on WP. Threats to block is another matter altogether, one far beyond the acceptable limits of exaggeration on WP. All you have done is repeat the same point as though I don't know that people move. Because it's a linguistic convention, a habit, to say "I'm from there AND there" doesn't make it acceptable prose in a formal reference work. Conversation is spontaneous. We expect it to be sloppy. Writing and editing are precise. Different. Simply repeating "It's true just because" doesn't constitute an argument. When will you be convinced that this isn't a valid point? One has to have reasons. Obama isn't from Illinois and neither is Mrs. Clinton. So it's wrong to say they are from there. You have heard that usage in conversation, but so what? I addressed that. You have choices. You could put your reason and imagination together to invent a template that describes multiple locations, as in "American expatriates in England". That means creating more work for yourself and everyone else. OR you could take a more sensible path by concluding a person can have only ONE ORIGIN and realize the word "from" applies to origin on Wikipedia, not where you were "from" last week or five seconds ago. You could then reduce the amount of excessive categories that exist in many articles. They (someone) might even you give a barnstar to add to your trophy room. More important, you will have the satisfaction of solving the problem. That's better than any trophy.
 * , I'm not sure that we're communicating here. You insist that a "person can have only ONE ORIGIN" and that "Obama isn't from Illinois and neither is Mrs. Clinton. So it's wrong to say they are from there." This is despite the fact that Barack Obama (who lived for decades in Chicago and was elected as United States Senator from Illinois) and Hillary Clinton (who was born in Chicago and raised for the first decades of her life in the Chicago suburbs) are indisputably from Illinois, as stated in their articles and in the categories used in their articles. I have no power to block anyone, nor can I threaten to do so. But I can assure you -- which was my point -- that if you were to engage in a similar edit war and removed categories from the articles for Barack Obama or Hillary Clinton, that you'd be skating on very thin ice. The articles for both Obama and Clinton are Featured Articles, examples of Wikipedia's finest, and there seems to be rather clear consensus in these articles (and hundreds of thousands of other biographical articles) that someone really can be from more than one place. Almost all of us manage to handle the idea of someone being from multiple places with tremendous ease. I subscribe to that consensus. I know that you feel strongly about your belief and that it was the strength of this belief of yours that led you to try to ridicule my edits as being "Proof of the multiverse". Please point me to any consensus or policy that limits people to being from one -- and only one place, which in your words means that "a person can have only ONE ORIGIN". Until then all I can ask you to do is to abide by the global consensus that disagrees with your view and leave categories alone merely because they conflict with your "ONE ORIGIN" theory. Alansohn (talk) 01:02, 13 April 2020 (UTC)


 * You are correct on one point. My memory slipped. Mrs. Clinton was indeed born in Illinois. That's a fact. But it's your opinion that people can have more than one origin. It's a creative misreading of the defintion. You and others have simply expanded the definition of the word. It happens all the time. But it's wrong. And a bad idea. Words have meanings. An origin is a beginning. There's no such thing as two beginnings, any more than there are married bachelors. The definition prohibits it. Perhaps it is astonishing to you that so many people can be wrong about something so simple. I suspect I'm older than you, and I can tell you it's not that unusual at all. We who grow up in democracies tend to think a Show of Hands settles everything for all time and that's that. But it doesn't. I think your expansive use of "from" comes from a combination of existing usage in Wikipedia and casual conversation. Contrary to your assertion, both of those sources are flawed and open to challenge and analysis. Although I understand WP works by consensus, not everything on Wikipedia works by consensus. As long as WP is written and edited by humans, there will be debate, wiggle room, subjectivity (we are subjects, not inanimate objects). You have used "as stated in their articles" as proof of the expanded use of "from", forgetting that Wikipedia cannot be used as a source for itself. I can show you many Wikipedia articles that have all kinds of errors. So that reason breaks down. If your reasoning is, "Those are featured articles, so they must be true", then again I refer you back to WP documentation which states that featured article can still have flaws and can continue to be edited. So that reason breaks down.

Vmavanti (talk) 02:21, 13 April 2020 (UTC)
 * I decline your invitation to start an edit war. I have removed categories that don't make sense, and sometimes people have challenged it and we discuss it, sort of. I doubt I have engaged in "edit wars" about this subject, nor do I have any intention of doing so on the articles you mentioned. I have no Grandiose Plans if that's what worries you. You will notice there are no threats in my posts. I don't threaten people. I don't have too. I use reason to make my points. But you said "you will be blocked if..." and then played your imaginary hypothetical game. I prefer if we stick to the earth, the facts, what has been said rather than what might be said or could be said. Your willingness to engage in discussion, which I greatly appreciate and which many people lack, is a sign of hope. The title of the thread wasn't meant to be purely derogatory. It's meant to use humor to convey a simple fact: Barring proof of the multiverse, one can't exist in two places at once. One can have one start, beginning, origin, birthplace.

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Jackson Township, New Jersey
Hullo. An edit war has broken out, CLCStudent and I have been reverting an IP who is very keen on removing a referenced section of history. We're at 3RR a piece, so will back off. I've report the edit war and have asked for page protection. Since this is in your area of expertise/interest, I thought you may want to have a look and return the removed text when the page is protected. Cheers. Ifnord (talk) 02:19, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
 * , thanks for reaching out. I will continue to keep an eye on the article. Alansohn (talk) 02:32, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

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The second round of the 2020 WikiCup has now finished. It was a high-scoring round and contestants needed 75 points to advance to round 3. There were some very impressive efforts in round 2, with the top ten contestants all scoring more than 500 points. A large number of the points came from the 12 featured articles and the 186 good articles achieved in total by contestants, and the 355 good article reviews they performed; the GAN backlog drive and the stay-at-home imperative during the COVID-19 pandemic may have been partially responsible for these impressive figures.

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 * Epicgenius, with 2333 points from one featured article, forty-five good articles, fourteen DYKs and plenty of bonus points
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Woodlynne School District
The article for Woodlynne School District has some linkrot in it's administration section, which is awkwardly structured. Is it OK with you if I edit the article?Jacona (talk) 18:00, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
 * , as stated on every edit screen, "Work submitted to Wikipedia can be edited, used, and redistributed—by anyone—subject to certain terms and conditions." However, if you're following an editor from article to article and if "the purpose is to make the target feel threatened or intimidated, and the outcome may be to make editing Wikipedia unpleasant for the target, to undermine, frighten, or discourage them from editing.", then you're looking at the definition of Harassment. It's hard to understand the purpose of some of your recent edits in light of this definition. I can assure you that I have not been following you around from article to article, nor will I. Alansohn (talk) 19:44, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I can assure you that I am not following you. You know what you edit, and that includes almost all school-related and locality related articles in New Jersey. If the definition of stalking is editing a New Jersey related article that you have recently edited, that would make it very difficult for anyone to edit these. Throw in bullying editors with aspersions and snarky edit captions, and that is pretty much the definition of ownership. Please stop, and allow others to improve these articles. You may disagree with me on some things; if so then discuss civilly. But don't continue to wholesale revert changes that correct errors and improve readability. That gives the appearance of defending territory rather than improving the encyclopedia, and I'm sure that's not what you really want to accomplish. Such behavior is likely to run off many potential contributors. Please remember that this is a collaborative venture. For my part, I intend to edit various NJ-related articles (especially schools, localities, and race-related articles). I suspect you will have edited many of these in the past - I don't care one way or the other. But for your part, I will not be bullied away by snarky edit captions, pejoratives, and other incivility, nor will I do any of those things. You've done a lot of great work on these articles, but they're not perfect, and other people have useful contributions as well. Thanks. Jacona (talk) 20:34, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I made the changes to Woodlynne School District, updating the info and sources. It looks like an obvious improvement to me, I was careful to use mdy dating to appease your anger. I hope that's good enough for you. I do not intend to ask your permission on future edits I make to NJ articles, unless you insist. I hope that's OK with you. Thanks. Jacona (talk) 20:49, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
 * you have made some useful edits, as well as some rather questionable edits to achieve such grand purposes as changing a double space to a single space. Your actions belie your bluster, particularly in recent edits that have followed mine from article to article where you have never edited the article before. This is the definition of WP:HARRASSMENT and you know full well what you are doing (and pretending to do) here. Please stop and realize that what you really want to accomplish here is to pick a fight. I will assure you again that I have never monitored your edits, followed you around nor made unnecessary edits to articles for questionable justification. I hope that you understand WP:HARASSMENT and resist the urge to violate it. You may also want to read WP:DATEVAR and WP:CITEVAR to improve your understanding of policy and assuage your misplaced anger. Alansohn (talk) 21:08, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I am not following your edits. I will continue to edit NJ related articles, and I do not look to see if you have edited them first. As far as the edits, getting rid of extra spaces is by no means a critically important edit. I'm not sure why you find it offensive, I've been doing that across the encyclopedia, not just at New Jersey articles. Not all improvements are huge. If there is a valid reason for keeping these spaces,or if you have any reason to discuss a specific edit, please bring it to my talk page. You're making me curious. As far as NJ goes, are you saying it is inappropriate for me to edit NJ articles (particularly in the topics I've mentioned), if you've edited them previously? That would seem to prohibit new editors, so that can't be right. Jacona (talk) 21:31, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

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Speedy deletion nomination of Cozy Morley


A tag has been placed on Cozy Morley requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G4 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the page appears to be a repost of material that was previously deleted following a deletion discussion, at Articles for deletion/Cozy Morley. When a page has substantially identical content to that of a page deleted after a discussion, and any changes in the content do not address the reasons for which the material was previously deleted, it may be deleted at any time.

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 * , you may want to review the criteria for CSD:G4, which states that "This applies to sufficiently identical copies, having any title, of a page deleted via its most recent deletion discussion. It excludes pages that are not substantially identical to the deleted version". In the message you created above it states that you legitimately believe that "the page appears to be a repost of material that was previously deleted". As the previous version of the article was deleted in 2007 and the overwhelming majority of sources didn't exist at the time, it's hard to imagine that the article is "substantially identical". I'm not sure what your motivation is here or what it is you're trying to accomplish, but you may want to take a first step to start the much-needed process of dealing with your issues by trying to genuinely understand the policies you claim to be defending. Alansohn (talk) 13:02, 1 June 2020 (UTC)

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Closed Catholic schools of the Newark archdiocese
Hi! When I made List of schools in the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Newark I was able to determine a list of former/closed/merged Catholic schools by comparing the list of schools from the archdiocese in 1998 (the earliest available online) and a list from 2020.

If you like you can expand on these by finding newspaper articles about any closures/mergers. This info can then be posted to New Jersey municipality articles to show the Catholic schools they used to have.

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 * , thanks for creating the article to summarize schools in the archdiocese. I will try to work in both directions, expanding /sourcing this list and adding / sourcing these details in municipal articles. Thanks again for the effort. Alansohn (talk) 19:23, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Category:Private schools in Hudson County, New Jersey


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The third round of the 2020 WikiCup has now come to an end. The 16 users who made it into the fourth round each had at least 353 points (compared to 68 in 2019). It was a highly competitive round, and a number of contestants were eliminated who would have moved on in earlier years. Our top scorers in round 3 were:


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 * , thanks for the kind words. Alansohn (talk) 13:13, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

"The Patrick School" in Hillside?
In Jonathan Kuminga's article, it shows he attends The Patrick School in Hillside. But the link to the school goes to St. Patrick High School which is located in Elizabeth, an entirely different town.

I was wondering if you may be able to clear this up, and whether "The Patrick School" is just some news outlets' incorrect way of referring to St. Patrick HS? That still wouldn't explain the Hillside vs. Elizabeth confusion though.

I tried looking into this but got lost as to what might actually be correct. I have no idea if a "Patrick School" in Hillside even exists. SportsGuy789 (talk) 17:08, 16 July 2020 (UTC)
 * , The Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Newark closed St. Patrick High School in Elizabeth, New Jersey at the end 2011-12 school year. At the start of the next school year, The Patrick School opened on the same site as an independent school carrying on many of the traditions of the old St. Patrick's. Per this source, the school has indeed moved to Hillside, New Jersey, so the statement in the Kuminga article is correct. That same article in Slam magazine makes clear that the walls of The Patrick School "depict the rich history of its basketball program, which dates back to when it was located in Elizabeth, New Jersey, under the St. Patrick High School label." So even though its a new school in a new location, it still carries the legacy of the old school. The Wikipedia article already reflects the change in operator and transfer of control from the RCAN to private auspices, but I will update the article to reflect the move to Hillside. Thanks for the catch. Let me know if I can help further. Alansohn (talk) 21:20, 16 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Wow great explanation, thank you so much. I would not have pieced all of that together, but it makes sense. I'm happy to hear that The Patrick School is carrying on the legacy of St. Patrick HS because that used to be a national basketball powerhouse. Thanks for moving/updating the original St. Patrick HS article to reflect the changes! SportsGuy789 (talk) 22:56, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

Dansk International Designs
Hi, I noticed that you were not notified about this recent nomination: Articles for deletion/Dansk International Designs. I believe that you created the article in 2009; I'm not sure why you didn't get the notification. So now you know. :) — Toughpigs (talk) 23:17, 22 July 2020 (UTC)
 * , thanks for the heads up. Alansohn (talk) 00:19, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

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Birthplace for Patrick X. Gallagher
Hi! This is a bit belated, but I finally found the page in the American Men and Women of Science that gave the birth date & place for Patrick X. Gallagher (you asked me about this a few months ago). I added the page and full quote of the entry to the article, confirming that he was indeed born in Elizabeth, New Jersey on January 2, 1935. — MarkH21talk 09:51, 4 August 2020 (UTC)
 * , thanks for researching this and adding the source. Alansohn (talk) 20:45, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

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The reason for [sic]
You have twice removed the template that I added to show that "based off of" is an error in the source material being quoted in Wayne Valley High School. Either you do not believe that "based off of" is grammatically incorrect, or you have not properly understood when sic is used. Your last edit summary suggests the latter. If there is an error in source material that is being quoted, then adding [sic] indicates to the reader that the error is indeed in the source, and has not been introduced in the process of reproducing the quote. Sankura (talk) 18:07, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
 * , the direct quotation is exactly as sourced and there is no textual error as specified by Template:Sic. If it occurs in article text, feel free to make a change. Alansohn (talk) 18:12, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
 * You don't understand that "based off of" is wrong, then? Sankura (talk) 18:23, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
 * , the direct quotation is transcribed into the reference exactly as the quotation was made in the original source. There is no error. NONE. If you believe that tagging a non-error with the sic tag solves a non-existent problem, go ahead and waste your time as you see fit. Alansohn (talk) 18:33, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
 * There is an error. If you think "based off of" is grammatically acceptable, you must not be a native English speaker. If that's the case, then please defer to native speakers on matters of correct grammar. Sankura (talk) 18:45, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
 * , you must be one of those grammar prigs looking to fix non-problems in direct quotations. As a native speaker of this language, your statement shows that you are here to waste my time and that of all Wikipedia editors. Alansohn (talk) 18:54, 30 August 2020 (UTC)
 * No, I'm trying to save time. Flagging errors in source material with [sic] is a standard and beneficial thing to do, hence the existence of the template. You are wasting your own time by pointlessly objecting to this. Sankura (talk) 19:02, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

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Thanks
Hi ! I just want to say thanks for referring me to WP:CITEVAR on your most recent edit to Washington Heights, Manhattan. I will admit a lot of my edits were just changing references to my preferred style, because I was looking through stuff for typos, adding refs, rewording, etc. and I was like, why not change the references to my preferred style along the way? But I 100% understand why it's not really beneficial to allow editors to do that, so I will stop. The most recent edit I did though (after yours) was keeping one of my reference changes that was actually necessary because the old link was dead.

Anyway thanks again! I appreciate everything you do for Wikipedia. The Spirit of Oohoowahoo (talk) 21:51, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
 * , my appreciation for all of your work improving these articles! Thanks for the reply. Alansohn (talk) 22:12, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

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Having a bad day? Not sure why you care enough about the Wolfe Kelman article to receive a ping every time someone touches it – then took the time, twice, to fuss with the style of the citations – if you do not care enough to worry about the fact that the citations themselves were dead and needed salvaging. If you're going to patrol every article you ever created, maybe take the time to review the factual content and work hard to fix that, rather than worrying about the style of your expired citations when someone else kicks in to update the dead material? None of the changes made were an attack on the work you did in 2009, they were not a comment on your citation style when you created the page, they were not attacking the terrific citations you found in 2009 supporting the article - they were all legitimate salvage efforts on material that had simply become deprecated since 2009 and needed salvaging (with a few others benefitting from wiki articles having been created, perhaps with slightly different names, that now gave bluelinks in support of the redlinks still in the citations).

No need to tell me that I have met your approval in that "every source had been reviewed"; if I wanted to damage the article, I would have simply left it with the broken sources that were already there, which you had not checked on until I fixed them. No need to thank me, just doing the work that all editors try to do to back each other up in the growth and maintenance of Wikipedia. And I wasn't being sarcastic about "Having a bad day?". You are clearly a longtime and prolific editor, and I believe that you would not normally be more worried about the nuances of trivial citation style on an article you created 11 years ago than you would be about the deprecated content itself. I hope this was not because others have changed your citations for no other reason than to change the style. (as I read that last sentence, I realize how Pollyanna it sounds. OF COURSE people do that. Oh well.) Jmg38 (talk) 01:57, 10 September 2020 (UTC)
 * , it's a wonderful story, but for the facts. This revert makes the claim "that every one of these citations were touched for substantive reasons: because they had errors (Golman), or they had redlinks that were updated to blue, or they were dead and needed salvaging". But each of the relevant edits (Forward, Jerusalem Post and The New York Times) just changed the citation and date formatting, exactly what is proscribed by WP:CITEVAR and WP:DATEVAR. The other two edits removed commented text and fixed errors you made while changing the citation format. The net result was that the fundamental reason that changes were made was because you were "changing style just for something to do", exactly what you correctly say is forbidden by these policies.Have a great day, just like the one I'm having! Alansohn (talk) 02:06, 10 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Fixed the Golman again, and salvaged another dead url. Entered it in full template (absolute reflex!), then noticed just before I hit "publish". Please check that I formatted right (as I said, reflex). Also note that the existing citation to the "Jewish Tribute" article was entered using template style rather than the "article's established citation style", in case that needs changing. Just happy to have cleaned up the three dead links, the typo and add a bluelink. Cheers. Jmg38 (talk) 02:51, 10 September 2020 (UTC)


 * Wait! Just found that it should be The Jewish Tribune, not Jewish Tribute! That's two bluelinks. Will change that now, save you the trouble. Jmg38 (talk) 02:57, 10 September 2020 (UTC)

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Was that edit summary really necessary? OhNo itsJamie Talk 16:49, 8 October 2020 (UTC)
 * , you do realize that my edit undid an edit of yours with the one-word edit summary "confusing". Not only do I question if your "edit summary [was] really necessary", I'm even less sure that the material you removed could not have been addressed to meet your confusion without having been removed in its entirety, perhaps via changing the words to make it less confusing or leaving a message on my talk page asking for a clarification. That the school had undergone a name change seems relevant and encyclopedic, and preservation of such content appears to be covered by WP:PRESERVE. If it makes you feel better, especially as it appears that I have addressed the wording and added a source, I will verbally retract my edit summary. I hope that you will verbally revert your removal of the material. Alansohn (talk) 16:58, 8 October 2020 (UTC)

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County in infobox school
Hello Alansohn, In the past I've been told to remove county from the infobox for U.S. schools. I was pointed to the U.S. example. I understand that you don't agree. Looking through the archives of the template talk page I don't find much support for your position although there was a claim by someone that New Jersey is a special case. Gab4gab (talk) 17:20, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
 * , the examples are merely examples; nothing more, nothing less. They set no limit on the number of fields that may be used and the county field is widely used in school articles across the country. Policies set whether something must be done or cannot be done, but no policy is cited. Nor have you made a case that the address fields are intended to exactly replicate the United States Postal Service address format, especially in regard to the municipality, which may not be the "city" used by the postal service for mail purposes. If you have something to cite that mandates / prohibits how the fields in this template are used, I encourage you to point me to the policy on the matter; citing an anecdotal claim that you were "pointed to the U.S. example" in the infobox documentation doesn't set policy. Alansohn (talk) 17:33, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Of course there is no policy that supports retaining county for U.S. school either. What we do have is previous discussions at the template talk page. I've attempted to support what I see as consensus found there. Gab4gab (talk) 17:41, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
 * , again, we are required to comply with policy but given broad reign to edit articles and use templates within their available parameters. The article included as an example in the template documentation includes the campus-size parameter, which does not mean that it's required in all school articles that use the template. The Absegami High School article uses the conference parameter and perhaps a few thousands of other school articles use the accreditation parameter, and the fact that they are not used in the example does not make them prohibited. I cannot force you to use the county parameter in the infobox school, and I would never impose my editing preferences on you, but I will point out that the county parameter is widely used in school articles nationwide. Alansohn (talk) 17:52, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
 * We don't usually include the county in the US school addresses, you need to start a discussion at the WikiProject Schools talk page. You're also removing the NCES School ID template — we use this for the us_nces_school_id parameter. Progress is not being made when you're adding county, some editors are removing county, some adding the NCES School ID template, you're removing the template. Do you see the problem here? I noticed this from your mass AWB edits. Also pinging Steven (Editor) (talk) 02:35, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
 * We? You are one editor who stands on the critical principle that infoboxes must have the parameters that you've decided upon and must be carefully separated by a specific number of spaces. The "mass AWB edits" you refer to amount to about two dozen edits a day, which add extensive sourced material. I'm not sure what purpose your trying to serve here, but I encourage you to get consensus for the changes you're trying to impose. Alansohn (talk) 02:41, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
 * First of all, removing the spacing does absolutely nothing and it keeps the infobox neat and tidy when it comes to editing it. You're the only editor as far as I know adding the county. Why are you removing the NCES School ID template, do you have consensus for that? Steven (Editor) (talk) 02:54, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
 * , I modified the spaces as part of an edit that added extensive sourced content and updated sources and other material. Your edit was entirely devoted to the fundamental goal of ensuring that the number of spaces in the infobox meets your standards of being "neat and tidy". Can you please point me to the policy that specifies the requirements for a "neat and tidy" infobox? Alansohn (talk) 03:01, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm not talking about the sourced content you added, that's great — this is about the infobox only. I can ask you the same thing, can you please point me to the policy that specifies the requirements for removing the spacing in the infobox? The spacing you seen is the default spacing from the template documentation. What are you trying to achieve by removing the spacing? Steven (Editor) (talk) 03:06, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
 * , policy dictates what must be done or what can't be done. Everything else in between is up to consensus. In the absence of policy that dictates the spacing, there's not much to discuss. Isn't there anything else that needs to be done in Wikipedia other than imposing a position on infobox spacing? Alansohn (talk) 03:13, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Go and have a look at the documentations of other infoboxes, you'll see the equal spacing, taking design into consideration it's neat. When I add an infobox to an article, I use the default spacing in the documentation, it also helps to ensure consistency between articles. Nevertheless, removing the spacing doesn't do anything to the infobox is what I'm trying to get across to you. NCES is the other issue here. Steven (Editor) (talk) 03:23, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Let's look at just me and you here: I add spacing, you're removing it. You remove spacing, I'm adding it. I remove county, you're adding it. You add county, I'm removing it. I'm adding the NCES School ID template, you're removing it. You're removing the NCES School ID template, I'm adding it. Looks like a never-ending cycle. See the issue here? Steven (Editor) (talk) 03:40, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I agree that the policy that applies to this conflict is consensus. The place for discussion to reach a consensus regarding the school infobox is the template's talk page. As I mentioned before I believe that consensus from previous discussions there is not to include county for schools in the US. So in my view continuing to include county for US schools is contrary to consensus. If you are interested in reaching a different consensus you should begin a new discussion as  suggests above.  Gab4gab (talk) 15:14, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
 * , the matter being discussed here is the repeated reverts by over the use of spaces in an infobox. If there is consensus that spaces in an infobox must be of a specified length, I'd love to see it, but none of this has been documented; all we see are claims by editors whose job seems to be enforcing imagined rules in arbitrary fashion over such foolish issues as infobox spacing. Alansohn (talk) 16:56, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Gab4gab is absolutely right about consensus. Alansohn, please re-read what I wrote above, it's about county and NCES. As for spacing, the message I'm trying to get across to you is that removing the infobox spacing does nothing — it has no effect on the infobox itself — it does not change how it displays or affect it in any way. The only advantage to spacing is that it keeps it clean and structured, and certainly helps new editors who visit a school article and click on edit. Steven (Editor) (talk) 17:40, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
 * , you keep on talking about a consensus that we are all obligated to follow down to the letter, but you have never pointed to the source to support your claim. Your fetish for infobox spacing has zero consensus and its only purpose is to make it "clean and structured" to meet *YOUR* personal preference for "neat and tidy", as if having a few less spaces makes it "unclean" and contaminated for "new editors who visit a school article and click on edit". I can't figure out why we would waste our time coming up with a consensus for infobox spacing or why any editor would waste their time trying to ram it through. If you want the equal sign after a parameter in a particular infobox to be precisely in column 27 that's great for you, but it certainly seems to be a trivial justification for an edit war. Alansohn (talk) 17:57, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
 * See Gab's comment above regarding county, NCES I've already answered that on the talk of North Arlington. There's no "fetish" — so the never-ending cycle above, seems it is going to be like that, not good. The main concern is your other changes, that is adding county, removing NCES template, adding a useless "Administration" section to say who the principal is when this is covered in the infobox (see also WP:WPSCH/AG). Steven (Editor) (talk) 18:17, 21 October 2020 (UTC)

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WikiCup 2020 November newsletter
The 2020 WikiCup has come to an end, with the final round going down to the wire. Our new Champion is, the runner-up last year, who was closely followed by. In the final round, Lee achieved 4 FAs and 30 GAs, mostly on cue sport topics, while Gog achieved 3 FAs and 15 GAs, mostly on important battles and wars, which earned him a high number of bonus points. was in third place with 4 FAs and 8 GAs on football topics, with close behind with 19 GAs and 16 DYK's, his interest being the buildings of New York.

The other finalists were, , and. The final round was very productive, and besides 15 FAs, contestants achieved 75 FAC reviews, 88 GAs and 108 GAN reviews. Altogether, Wikipedia has benefited greatly from the activities of WikiCup competitors all through the contest. Well done everyone!

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 * wins the featured article prize, for a total of 14 FAs during the course of the competition.
 * win the featured list prize, for 5 FLs in round 4.
 * wins the featured picture prize, for 3 FPs in round 3 and 5 overall.
 * wins the featured article reviewer prize, for 23 FAC reviews in round 5.
 * wins the good article prize, for 45 GAs in round 2 and 113 overall.
 * wins the topic prize, for 33 articles in good topics in round 2.
 * wins the good article reviewer prize, for 100 good article reviews in round 2.
 * wins the DYK prize, for 22 Did you know articles in round 4 and 94 overall.
 * wins the ITN prize, for 63 In the news articles in round 4 and 136 overall.

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Freehold, New Jersey
Well spotted I will self revert. I based it on the inclusion of Rob Johnson (soccer) in Category:Sportspeople from Jackson Township, New Jersey&mdash; Rod talk 21:15, 10 November 2020 (UTC)
 * , thanks for the response. These municipalities with an adjoining borough / township pair sharing the same underlying name can be very challenging to correctly disambiguate. If some is listed as being from Foo, is that Foo Borough or Foo Township? I always try to dig down to the correct municipality, but it can often be challenging to find the correct one. Alansohn (talk) 21:21, 10 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes they are difficult - I wonder who added the specific category?&mdash; Rod talk 21:22, 10 November 2020 (UTC)
 * It appears the cat was changed from Category:People from Ocean County, New Jersey to Category:People from Jackson Township, New Jersey with this edit 9 years ago.&mdash; Rod talk 21:25, 10 November 2020 (UTC)
 * , he attended high school in Jackson Township, so it's a fair guess that he lived in Jackson Township. It's Freehold Borough vs. Freehold Township that becomes tougher to distinguish. Alansohn (talk) 22:01, 10 November 2020 (UTC)

Nomination of Laurel Grove Memorial Park for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Laurel Grove Memorial Park is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Articles for deletion/Laurel Grove Memorial Park until a consensus is reached, and anyone, including you, is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

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Bayonne, New Jersey
,, and "bay-OWN" convey the exact same information, and are all consistent with the sources cited in Bayonne, New Jersey. However, they are not equally scientific. "bay-OWN" relies on the reader's knowledge on the pronunciation of bay and own spelled in the incredibly inconsistent English orthography (compare says and down). relies on the values of, , , and defined in Help:Pronunciation respelling key which the respell template links the notation to. relies on the values of, , , and defined in the Help:IPA/English key, based on a phonological analysis of the sound system of dialects of English, using the International Phonetic Alphabet, which is widely used by linguists and dictionaries around the world. This is why Manual of Style/Pronunciation demands the use of the IPA first and foremost and the respelling second, and discourages the use of ad hoc respellings that rely on the pronunciation of existing words like "bay-OWN" (MOS:RESPELL). I'm having a hard time understanding why you've kept reinstating the ad hoc respelling. Nardog (talk) 17:40, 17 November 2020 (UTC)
 * , thanks for reaching out. I do respect the fact that you believe that every single person reading through this encyclopedia understands IPA pronunciation rules, but they don't. At best, a tiny fraction of non-linguists know how to transform those symbols into a pronunciation. I do appreciate the fact that "OH" is used to represent a long-o sound, as in the words "oh" and "d'oh". However, once you start putting that "OH" next to consonants, you start confusing 99.9% of English speakers, as all of the naïve rules of phonology followed by non-linguist speakers of the English language would lead them to use a shorter vowel sound. The name Joan is unambiguously pronounced with a long-o sound that you would insist should be respelled under IPA rules as "JOHN", which no English-speaker would pronounce with a long-o sound.There are three sources provided covering most of a century that indicate that the city's name should be pronounced as two syllables -- "bay" and "own", two English-language words with unambiguous pronunciation -- with the emphasis on the second syllable. As pointed out in one of the sources, the second syllable is often mispronounced to rhyme with "on". The use of "OHN" suffers from two disqualifying fatal flaws: 1) it will be pronounced by most non-linguists as in the word "on" (using "John" as a model); and 2) it's original research, as there is no source that uses that respelling as a pronunciation guide.I empathize with your desire to impose an orthodoxy that will benefit the tiny minority of linguists, but I balance that against the fact that almost all of the people reading this encyclopedia and trying to figure out how to pronounce the city's name will be misled by your version of the respelling. In my view, the weight of the desire to have 99.9% of readers understand the pronunciation guide takes precedence and is backed up by three solid reliable and verifiable sources. Alansohn (talk) 18:01, 17 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Please do not put words into my mouth. I do not, and never said I did, believe that every single person reading through this encyclopedia understands IPA pronunciation rules. If that were the case H:RESPELL and respell wouldn't exist. If you believe the 7,953 articles currently using the template, such as Barack Obama, Joe Biden, Wikipedia, Ronald Reagan, Kamala Harris, Theodore Roosevelt, Amazon (company), Wiki, Dick Cheney, and English language, all contain original research, and thus MOS:PRON needs to be revised, then please bring up the issue in the appropriate forum. But you may not apply that argument in just one article without achieving consensus on a larger scale, per WP:CONLEVEL.
 * Your assertion about the value of orthographic oh is unfounded. I've consulted the Cambridge English Pronouncing Dictionary, and though it is rarely found before a consonant, when it is, as in Bohn, Cohn, Crohn, kohl, and ohm, it is almost always pronounced (or varies between  and  when unstressed, as in Mendelssohn); it is  only when preceded by j and followed by n, indicating the pronunciation–spelling correspondence in John is a fossilized exception. H:RESPELL already warns against its use "when a respelled syllable would be the same as an existing word that is pronounced differently", so your argument about Joan doesn't apply. Otherwise you should try getting rid of the respellings in Jeff Bezos, Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart, Pneumonia, Stephen Colbert, Côte d'Ivoire, etc. (Also, how do you pronounce your username?) Nardog (talk) 19:27, 17 November 2020 (UTC)

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New Jersey dairy industry
Hello, I recently made an article for the New Jersey dairy industry. It is a work in progress. I thought you would be interested as it is an uncovered but important topic in the state's history. Every little antiques shop in the state almost always has plenty of milk bottles from New Jersey dairy farms that no longer exist. Best, Thriley (talk) 02:38, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

Changes to Elizabeth, NJ
Hello. Some areas in the article are an approximate number, and therefore the number in sq km that corresponds to some numbers in sq mi in the article is inaccurate. I wrote a correct number in sq km for each approximate number, but I did understand that is better to leave the numbers from the source. My changes were just math. e.g. 13.66 sq mi = 35.379238 sq km ~ 35.38 sq km, not 35.37 sq km (source). 13.66 is an approximate number. The population density in the article is old (2010). I calculated the 2019 population density (129,216 / 12.319 sq mi), and I wrote it, with no source. Bitholov. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bitholov (talk • contribs) , thanks for the response. Be sure to use sources for your data and be sure to sign your messages with four tildes ( ~ ). Alansohn (talk) 00:43, 6 December 2020 (UTC)

Help?
Hi. I see your name is first on the list of frequent contributors to DYK. I wonder if you can help? I would like to nominate a DYK (I don't care about credit for myself - whoever posts it can take it). But as an IP I do not seem to be able to. Can you perhaps do the honors? Thanks. It is as follows.

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