User talk:Casliber/Archive 42

Template:Did you know nominations/Henge (film)
Casliber, are you coming back to finish this review? I suspect it fell off your radar, since it isn't like you to wait a month. If you aren't interested in pursuing it, though, please let me know, and I'll add it to the list of articles needing review. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 15:34, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

WikiCup 2013 September newsletter
In 30 days, we will know the identity of our 2013 WikiCup champion. currently leads; if that lead is held, she will become the first person to have won the WikiCup twice. , —who has never participated in the competition before—and follow. The majority of points in this round have come from a mix of good articles and bonus points. This final round is seeing contributions to a number of highly important topics; recent submissions include Phoenix (constellation) (FA by Casliber), Ernest Lawrence (GA by Hawkeye7), Pinniped, and red fox (both GAs by Sasata).

The did you know (DYK) eligibility criteria have recently changed, meaning that newly passed good articles are accepted as "new" for did you know purposes. However, in the interests of not changing the WikiCup rules mid-competition, please note that only articles eligible for DYK under the old system (that is, newly created articles or 5x expansions) will be eligible for points in this year's WikiCup. We do, however, have time to discuss how this new system will work for next year's competition; a discussion will be opened in due course. On that note, thoughts are welcome on changes you'd like to see for next year. What worked? What didn't work? What would you like to see more of? What would you like to see less of? All Wikipedians, new or old, are also warmly invited to sign up for the 2014 WikiCup.

If you are concerned that your nomination—whether it is at good article candidates, a featured process, or anywhere else—will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on WikiCup/Reviews. If you want to help out with the WikiCup, please do your bit to reduce the review backlogs! Questions are welcome on Wikipedia talk:WikiCup, and the judges are reachable on their talk pages or by email. Good luck! If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. J Milburn (talk • email) and The ed17 (talk • email) 23:00, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

Main Page appearance: Blue-faced Honeyeater
This is a note to let the main editors of Blue-faced Honeyeater know that the article will be appearing as today's featured article on October 15, 2013. If this article needs any attention or maintenance, it would be preferable if that could be done before its appearance on the Main Page. If you prefer that the article appear as TFA on a different date, or not at all, please ask. You can view the TFA blurb at Today's featured article/October 15, 2013. If it needs tweaking, or if it needs rewording to match improvements to the article between now and its main page appearance, please edit it, following the instructions at Today's featured article/requests/instructions. The blurb as it stands now is below:

The Blue-faced Honeyeater is a passerine bird of the Honeyeater family Meliphagidae and is common in northern and eastern Australia and southern New Guinea. A large honeyeater at around 29.5 cm (11.6 in) in length, it has distinctive plumage, with olive upperparts, white underparts and a black head and throat with white nape and cheeks. Males and females are similar in external appearance. Adults have a blue area of bare skin on each side of the face readily distinguishing them from juveniles, which have yellow or green patches of bare skin. Found in open woodland, parks, and gardens, it appears to be sedentary in parts of its range and locally nomadic in other parts; however, the species has been little studied since it was first described by the ornithologist John Latham in 1802. Its diet is mostly composed of invertebrates, supplemented with nectar and fruit. Its propensity for feeding on the flowers and fruit of bananas in north Queensland has given it the common name of "Bananabird". Blue-faced Honeyeaters often take over and renovate old babbler nests, in which the female lays and incubates two or rarely three eggs. Three subspecies are recognised. UcuchaBot (talk) 23:02, 2 October 2013 (UTC)

New ant task force
Hello Casliber! I see you have edited a lot of ant-related articles, including the FA Ant. You may be interested in the recently created ant task force. Check out the task force's subpage and see if you're able to help out with any of the open tasks (or add new tasks). This list of ant-related open access may prove useful for expanding stubs and DYKs. If you're interested in copy editing future GA/FA nomination, please add your username including a short comment like "copy editing" in the Participants list and someone will ping you when needed. Cheers, jonkerz ♠talk 21:53, 4 October 2013 (UTC)

Lion payback
Cas, could you please peer review article "Fluorine". If it's too long, just hit the bio section.71.127.137.171 (talk) 07:26, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Calcariidae
The DYK project (nominate) 00:02, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

Request
Hi Casliber, I'm seeking additional opinions on what appears to be a sticking point for the GA review for the Hope Solo article. If you have time, please see the discussion in the "In popular culture" section of the review. Any feedback you can provide is much appreciated. Thank you. Hmlarson (talk) Hmlarson (talk) 00:11, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

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Breeze Barton merge
As you participated in Articles for deletion/Breeze Barton, you may be interested to learn that I have opened a discussion to propose merging the article's contents to List of Marvel Comics characters: B. Feel free to comment.  Taylor Trescott  - my talk + my edits 20:55, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

podcast
Hey doc:

Check out this podcast:   Shows two things.

1. (I think) They read my article and got some insights from it. Not every coincidence is derived. Periodic Table of the Videos had a lot of similarities, but it was GMTA, not aping. But...I just kind of sniff a few places. Kind of cool actually that a pretty professional piece like this got good ideas from me.

2. Oh...and they sure don't call it fluoxetine or whatever. (Had a gf who took that, no snapback jokes please. ;-))

208.44.87.91 (talk) 23:37, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

P.s. Thanks for engaging with the piece. And with me.


 * The radio in my car isn't working - will listen to it next time I go for a drive...interesting.....Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 02:17, 15 October 2013 (UTC)


 * Watch out for Aussie derelicts like in the Mad Max movie.208.44.87.91 (talk) 03:25, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

Re:User:Casliber/Stub contest
That sounds really exciting. I'll have a muse on it today and drop by with some thoughts at some point. J Milburn (talk) 07:26, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

G'day, from another Aussy interested in bettering this resource's health information
Continued on from the intro on Jmh649's talk page

Yep, I knew those drugs were TGA approved, Cas. I'm Aussy too, proud to be Aussy too seeing how the Americans are a little short of psychotropics in my opinion, although in a few ways we're a little short (e.g. lurasidone, vilazodone and vortioxetine haven't reached the Aussy market as you may be aware. Oddly trazodone isn't used 'ere either). Agomelatine, moclobemide, amisulpride and zuclopenthixol are all invaluable psychotropic drugs in my opinion (I realise there's a few others like sertindole, mianserin and reboxetine but seeing how they're nothing worth boasting about in turns of efficacy and tolerability I felt like conveniently ignoring them). I've just been trying to find a nice uniform and accurate way of determining whether a drug is approved by the Canadian regulator because I already 'ave a way for doing the same with the TGA (i.e. TGA eBusiness services). Fuse809 (talk) 13:22, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Hydrus
The article Hydrus you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Hydrus for comments about the article. Well done! Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Sasata -- 16:02, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

DYK nomination of GD 61
Hello! Your submission of GD 61 at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Chris857 (talk) 20:31, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

Question about DYK
Hey there -- you just reverted my edit to the DYK nomination page. Did I put something in the wrong place? A hint or two would be appreciated, thanks: Jwrosenzweig (talk) 04:19, 18 October 2013 (UTC)
 * my bad - fat fingers, smartphone and rollback glitch. ..sorry. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 04:22, 18 October 2013 (UTC)
 * No worries! :-) It's been a while since I DYK nommed anything and I figured I may have wandered into the wrong space. Happy wikifying, Jwrosenzweig (talk) 04:23, 18 October 2013 (UTC)

Edit request
Please take a look at the schizophrenia article. There is an edit request waiting for your aproval — Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.10.231.249 (talk) 17:20, 18 October 2013 (UTC)

Haters gonna hate
Don't let anyone drag you down on the Core Contest not fixing the Wiki. It's good stuff. Except the award should be out in days. Psych will back uo that time of reward and punishement need to be close to events. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.127.137.171 (talk) 05:10, 19 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Aawww, you behaviourist you ;) ....unfortunately prizes are beyond my control....Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 07:58, 19 October 2013 (UTC)
 * I was just trying to talk your language, head shrinker. ;-).  It's not the awarding, but the judging (the recognition).  But in any case, I was not reaching out to give you criticism but to buoy you up.  Forget the crit, remember the attaboy.71.127.137.171 (talk) 11:05, 19 October 2013 (UTC)

Please mark edit requests answered
Hi. Could you mark the request as answered each time you respond to the requester? This causes the request not to appear on the list of edit requests requiring attention over at CAT:SPER and avoids having multiple volunteers go to talk:Schizophrenia only to find that the request is being handled. Thanks, Celestra (talk) 21:39, 21 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Ummm...ok. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 01:31, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

PC - semi for Amanda Bynes
Hi Casliber, I'm just about to make a request that be semi protected due to long term vandalism and BLP vios. Since you PC protected it I thought I'd let you know. Regards, Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 03:02, 22 October 2013 (UTC)


 * I have just semi'ed it - I thought about doing it a week ago, I find Pending Changes of very little value anywhere - IPs are frustrated their edits don't 'take' and don't stick around to answer the inevitable questions from reviewers. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 03:22, 22 October 2013 (UTC)


 * I think it works on articles which get both vandalism and 'good' edits as long as it isn't too much. There are some articles which get IP edits enough to warrant semi but PC does the job really well because it still allows good faith edits without the person feeling like they have to request it on the talk page. If the Byrnes article was getting less attention then I think it would be worthwhile, but the PC just isn't making a difference. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 04:14, 22 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Also while you're at it could you please remove the PC protection so the article doesn't show the effectively useless PC box thing? Thanks, Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 04:17, 22 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Done - Callanecc - have you seen any useful IP edits you've accepted? Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 09:01, 22 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Some, have a look at my review log, the majority I see through Special:PendingChanges I accept or undo for a reasonably complicated reason (which if the page wasn't protected would stay in there). I think the best this about it is that there is some external review of pages which are known to have a problem, on pages which get nothing but vandalism or BLP vios they should be semi'd and for pages which get both good and bad edits they should be PC protected - assuming there is enough editing to warrant protection. My personal opinion is that we should be PC protecting articles which are known to receive 'borderline' editing. Whether it be unsourced edits, sometimes vandalism and sometimes not or occasional BLP violations. Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 11:32, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

Spider bite
Hi. The FAC is getting long, so I have commented here to help you to focus. If you do not agree, then at least you will have thought about it. In the redback spider article the clinical effects of its bite are not well presented, it seem so me. It does not give a clear picture of a mild to moderate case. It lists a lot of symptoms and signs. It does not give the slightly different presentation in children, so it is not balanced. The comparison the the American spider is too early in the paragraph. Separate paragraphs of mild cases and severe cases might be helpful. I still think that most of this could be dealt with on a linked article, but it looks like a lengthy section is there to stay and so it should give the correct impression and have appropriate balance. There are so many reference points and so it is difficult for me to edit. To speed things up, I have been making direct edits to the article, which I hope has reduced the work of discussion on the FAC. Looks like A Clinician’s Guide to Australian Venomous Bites and Stings: incorporating the updated CSL Antivenom Handbook, 2013, would be useful, partly because it deals with the ante-venom controversies; see Doctors get guide to venomous bites and stings. Apparently Australian doctors can get a free copy. Snowman (talk) 13:56, 22 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes, I was pleasantly surprised by that page and have typed in my registration number and ordered a free copy. Hopefully they haven't run out. I was on holiday recently and unfortunately got hit by a car in China. I have a sprained ankle and sore back - both are getting better but I have not been comfortable sitting for long periods, and lying down and using an ipad does not lend itself to editing. The changes look ok (wikipedia is ultimately collaborative so this approach can be good in the interests of expediency) - as long as we use colours and reviewers cross off issues they are satisfied with, the page is ok. Now for the children...Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 19:56, 22 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Please let me know what you think of the new edition of the handbook. Yes, RTAs are a major risk of foreign travel. Some roads in far away places are not at the same standard as those at home, some are only gravel. This is all part of routine foreign travel advice, and I know this because I went on a two-day course on it years ago. I wonder if there is a Wiki article on preparation for foreign travel, but I am not even going to look for it, because I would rather focus on editing and illustrating hobby topics. For me, the main show stopper of the spider article is the clinical section, and I hope that can be sorted out in a day or two, and that the article will be a FA by the end of the week. What is the incidence of spider bites in children? Are Australian children thought about spiders at school? Snowman (talk) 21:08, 22 October 2013 (UTC)
 * I was hit in the middle of Beijing - main issue was forgetting momentarily that they drive on the right-hand side of the road....Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:04, 23 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Feel better, Cas Liber! I forget why I have your pages on my watch list, but I saw your edit summary and wanted to wish you a speedy and comfortable full recovery! Softlavender (talk) 00:56, 23 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Sorry to hear that, I hope you get better soon.--Melburnian (talk) 01:22, 23 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Yeah, slowly but surely....Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 01:29, 23 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Ouch! And here you were mentally preparing for a spider bite instead. --99of9 (talk) 03:23, 23 October 2013 (UTC)

Cygnus
I'm starting to ratchet up the work on Cygnus (constellation), in case you're interested in helping. I think the most important thing will be keeping the objects section to a reasonable size, given how much stuff is in Cygnus. By the way, sorry to hear about the accident, get better soon! StringTheory11 (t • c) 05:53, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Cool - what you wanna do about Perseus? Happy to tweak some more. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 07:23, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

Content editors
Just wanted to drop by to note a couple of things (without wanting to go into the specific block or civility discussion here). First, I know that people like Eric Corbett and others provide more and better content than I do. I have no problem acknowledging that, it would be hard to claim otherwise. What I do have a problem with is people dismissing everything that isn't up to these high standards as insignificant, or that other contributions (maintenance, coding, whatever) is not worthwhile, or that only the major content contributors should be allowed to judge their peers.

You haven't said any of these things, and implied only some of them to some extent, but your comments are (in my opinion) refelctive of a common trait between some of the people now defending Eric Corbett, and this rather artificial division between content editors and others is not helpful to find compromise or to get a good functioning community.

To give an example of a much more extreme comment in this regard (which may help you understand my reaction to this aspect): in a long and rather acrimonious discussion, Epipelagic gave his apparent definition of what a content builder is: [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jimbo_Wales&diff=prev&oldid=548111015 "substantial articles, say over 40K, for which you are the primary content builder?" (changed to 30K in a subsequent edit) This already excludes everyone who researches and builds 5-10K C-class articles but doesn't bring them to B or GA or FA class, like Achilles on Skyros, or higher quality articles like Winnie Winkle or collaborations like Lilian Faithfull. After discovering that at the time I was working on a long (40+ K) list that was nominated for featured list, he changed his criteria to "over 30 or 40K and not just lists". So apparently even the creation of something like Leuchtenberg Gallery doesn't qualify me as a content builder in the eyes of some people.

Having created a few hundred articles (really created, I'm not counting the creations from public domain sources here), including a few GAs and one FL, most of them after I became an admin, it is not really encouraging to be dismissed as someone who is not a content builder. It is not the only thing I do, and it comes and goes in waves, but dividing people between content builders and non-content builders (usually admins), and judging people solely on their content additions (and not also on e.g. their hoax removals or other constructive edits), doesn't help to resolve conflicts and ease tensions. I am also wary of the few people who spent 95% of their time on noticeboards, but these are truly the exceptions.

Sorry for the long post, I just wanted to clarify my position a bit, away from AN. Fram (talk) 13:18, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

Addendum: you asked for some evidence of collaborative editing. As an example, I often get "thanks" notices for my disabling of mainspace cats in AfC submissions (edits like this one). Another example is Bosworth Tennis, which looked like this when I noticed it. My initial edit, apart from my regular tagging, corrected a redlink. But I felt that more could be done with this, so a few days later I turned it into a real article. A slightly older example is this one, where I declined the speedy, and turned it into a DYK the next week. Dr. Blofeld then turned it into GA.

I don't do this often enough though, I no longer have the time I used to have to edit here at length, and currently it is more convenient for me to do gnoming. Fram (talk) 13:31, 30 October 2013 (UTC)


 * Ok, I have no problem with editors who contribute little content per se, but I do get sick of editors who spend alot of time at AN/I discussing other editors, commenting on how corrosive incivility is while all the time adding reams of acrimony, or feel it is their right to judge content editors and articles without putting themselves in the spotlight. I have a problem with editors who consider profanity incivil but not the production of walls of text in important discussion which (often intentionally) act as filibusters. I also prefer editors who blow off steam when annoyed rather than bear grudges for months or years waiting for a time to screw an antagonist over at a later date....


 * NB:I quoted the pillars half in jest and irony - I really hate being dogmatic in these situations. I just feel we're at a crossroads and really need all hands on deck to get the 'pedia to the next stage in its life cycle (long story for another time).


 * That all said, Several arbs who were fine arbs did little content (though I do think editing content gives one a less jaundiced view of wikipedia and more of an eye for how the content will turn out after arb cases etc.) - I just looked a couple of times at two sets of 500 article space edits in the past few months and was dismayed at the proportion of automated tagging. I did convert one - Sand_Sharks - into a DYK, but you know how heartening it is if someone comes along and even just copyedits or corrects a typo it is a really nice feeling, and reckon if you'd sprinkled a few more of those in, or offered a few driveby comments at Peer Review, where editors are desperate for any feedback, then these type of edits go along way to improving the atmosphere. I am more than happy to be proven wrong - as a staunch inclusionist I butted heads with many editors before finding common ground elsewhere and was (and am) happy to revise my opinions of anyone in a positive direction. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 13:46, 30 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Nice one (Sand Sharks, I mean). I don't keep articles I tagged on my watchlist (I have a 30K watchlist as it stands, so...). I normally read (superficially) the articles I tag, but I normally don't take the time to edit them. Often, it is the choice between spending 10 minutes to half an hour on an article, or spending a few seconds. Like I said, for the moment I often only have a few minutes to spare, and I note that the new page patrolling, with the deletion of unacceptable material (which needs an admin ultimately), doesn't get done otherwise (I'm expressing myself badly here, new page patrolling gets done, but I note that often, even after a few days, totally unacceptable and unsaveable pages are still not tagged for deletion). It's the problem most of us have of too much to do and not enough time. Fram (talk) 14:13, 30 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I know - if I have limited time RFPP and the DYK queue are places I look, smartphones are pretty useless for editing except reverting at Recent Changes, but my fingers often hit "rollback" (might have to disable that one as I've done that more than once!) and have had to explain/apologise. Peer Review can be quick as it is unstructured and one can often see glaring issues in 45 seconds. I keep making promises I'll take more frequent looks there. My problem is that I am only now properly getting over a sore back and sprained ankle after being hit by a car in Beijing a few weeks ago ..which made sitting for long periods uncomfortable. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 03:32, 31 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Sorry to hear that. I sometimes look at the DYK queue as well, it often has rather glaring problems, but most of the time people react rather badly when an article is pulled from the queue, as if their right to a spot on the front page is more important than accuracy or BLP policy... Fram (talk) 07:42, 31 October 2013 (UTC)
 * I avoid ANI like the plague (unless I've been reported myself...). FWIW, some of the stuff that gets through NP can be picked up on Recent changes under the possible autobiography (ie spamusername) or large unwikified (ie copyright) filters. Illegitimi non carborundum  Jimfbleak -  talk to me?  10:45, 31 October 2013 (UTC)
 * I haven't been stalking enough, only just noticed your accident, sorry to hear that, hope your recovering. Best to go to civilized countries where they drive on the left (mind you, my next trip is to India, famous for the safety of its roads)  Jimfbleak -  talk to me?  10:49, 31 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Yeah, it was looking right when running across the road which got me - very stupid and very lucky. Anyway, nearly mended now. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 10:57, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

WikiCup 2013 October newsletter
The WikiCup is over for another year! Our champion, for the second year running, is. Our final nine were as follows:

All those who reached the final win prizes, and prizes will also be going to the following participants:


 * wins the FA prize, for four featured articles in round 4, worth 400 points.
 * wins the GA prize, for 20 good articles in round 3, worth 600 points.
 * wins the FL prize, for four featured lists in round 2, worth 180 points.
 * wins the FP prize, for 23 featured pictures in round 5, worth 805 point.
 * wins the FPo prize, for 2 featured portals in round 3, worth 70 points.
 * wins the topic prize, for a 23-article featured topic in round 5, worth 230 points.
 * wins the DYK prize, for 79 did you know articles in round 5, worth 570 points.
 * wins the ITN prize, for 23 in the news articles in round 4, worth 270 points.
 * wins the GAR prize, for 24 good article reviews in round 1, worth 96 points.
 * The judges are awarding the Oddball Barnstar to, for some curious contributions in earlier rounds.
 * Finally, the judges are awarding the Geography Barnstar for her work on sea, now a featured article. This top-importance article was the highest-scoring this year; when it was promoted to FA status, Cwmhiraeth could claim 720 points.

Prizes will be handed out in the coming weeks. Please be patient!

Congratulations to everyone who has been successful in this year's WikiCup, whether you made it to the final rounds or not, and a particular congratulations to the newcomers to the WikiCup who have achieved this year. Thanks to all who have taken part and helped out with the competition. While it has been an excellent year, errors have opened up the judges' eyes to the need for a third judge, and it is with pleasure that we announce that experienced WikiCup participant Miyagawa will be acting as a judge from now on. We hope you will all join us in welcoming him to the team.

Next year's competition begins on 1 January. You are invited to sign up to participate; it is open to all Wikipedians, new and old. Brainstorming and discussion remains open for how next year's competition will work, and straw polls will be opened by the judges soon. Those interested in friendly competition may also like to keep an eye on the stub contest, being organised by Casliber. The WikiCup judges will be back in touch over the coming months, and we hope to see you all in the 2014 competition. Until then, it only remains to once again congratulate our worthy winners, and thank all participants for their involvement! If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. J Milburn (talk • email) and The ed17 (talk • email) 00:39, 1 November 2013 (UTC)


 * Congratulations for winning the WikiCup FA prize! Your quality contributions to Wikipedia amaze me. – Quadell (talk) 13:48, 1 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Gee, thanks! Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 19:33, 1 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Congrats from me, too--thanks for all these FAs! -- Khazar2 (talk) 19:51, 1 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Congrats! :D  Miss Bono  [hello, hello!]  19:53, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

Spider length ambiguity
In this edit, I think you have made it ambiguous about which "length" you are talking about. The length of the entire spider including the legs, or just the body? The ones I've seen have a body length about 1cm and a total length ~3cm. --99of9 (talk) 03:29, 1 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Oops, reverting now. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 03:39, 1 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks, that looks good. --99of9 (talk) 06:21, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

DYK for GD 61
The DYK project (nominate) 00:03, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

spiderbite article
Hi,

You recently added "1 death" to the spider bite article. Could you please supply a citation to document this fact? Thanks. P0M (talk) 18:22, 4 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Yeah, hang on. got sidetracked.....Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 20:39, 4 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks.P0M (talk) 21:28, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

Florence Fuller, perhaps
Hello Cas. I have just written this biography. Owing to there being an event in Canberra next week that will give her some (minor art world) prominence, I was wondering if you are free to do an urgent GAN review with editorial suggestions? Also planning then to take it to FAC. If not, just let me know. Cheers, hamiltonstone (talk) 13:19, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Should be able to. Let me look. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 19:52, 7 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks very much for checking it over. Just as you were closing out the review, i came across the auction catalogue for a key painting (i suspect the NGA was the buyer, as the sale was only a year ago). It actually provided some important information, as well as putting me on to a quote i had overlooked, so i have modified the article thus. It appears the NGA may be talking up as certainty something that was in fact speculation as to the picture's subject... hamiltonstone (talk) 12:19, 8 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Fascinating stuff - nice to see obscure work like this developed. Will take a look for a gravestone if I get time on wednesday...Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 12:25, 8 November 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Hadronyche macquariensis
The DYK project (nominate) 21:53, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

Bounty board
Historical pages aren't normally edited after they're marked historical.

In the AfD discussion, there was no consensus for the "More Detailed Proposal" which prescribed "[moving] all bounty offers to Bounty board/Expired and claimed bounties". The closing admin did not do this.

The editorial you added near the top of the page doesn't necessarily express the consensus from the AfD discussion.

Please undo the edits you've made since the page was marked historical. &mdash; rybec   16:43, 8 November 2013 (UTC)


 * Rybec - if the bounties are still listed there, then they give the (misleading) impression that the board or any of those bounties are still active. Hence they need to be archived. I have moved all them all to the Bounty board/Expired and claimed bounties. Did you notice that? Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 19:24, 8 November 2013 (UTC)
 * The historical template puts a large banner on the page saying it's no longer being used. That's enough to prevent any such misconception. Have a look at any other page that includes the template: apart from adding the template, they are left in the state they were abandoned in. You've also written your own interpretation of the outcome of the AfD discussion and added it to the page. How is that proper? &mdash; rybec   19:59, 8 November 2013 (UTC)
 * No it isn't - why leave things hanging around. Do you disagree that they are historical now? Surely moving them (a) tidies up the page and (b) doubly prevents any ambiguity. Unfortunately the closing admin didn't write anything other than the verdict, which is a bit of a shame in this case. We can ask them. Do you disagree with the content of anything I placed on the page? What is not proper about tidying up and giving any future person who drops by some information on it?Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 20:05, 8 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Yunshui's assessment looks right to me: many commenters wanted the page tagged with "historical" or "closed down", but only a few wanted deletion, blanking, or the removal of the offers. They gave other reasons for closing it, besides the ones you mention: many noted that it had received little use. How about a link to the AfD discussion in place of your summary? &mdash; rybec   21:23, 8 November 2013 (UTC)
 * I will ping Yunshui as closing admin then. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 21:26, 8 November 2013 (UTC)

Perhaps a merge is in order
While you were creating the "As we are going to keep this, do we need to tighten the criteria a bit?" thread, I was creating the "Proposed revised introduction" thread. Since they both address the same issues, perhaps a merge is in order?  S ven M anguard  Wha?  05:34, 9 November 2013 (UTC)
 * absolutely. Please do the honours. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 05:42, 9 November 2013 (UTC)


 * Yeah, look do whatever you feel best to make it succinct and readable as possible (I was at the gym on my smartphone when I posted the above and am preparing for visitors very soon) - I have limited time and my onwiki time is a bit compromised by an FAC that has gone a bit awry :P Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 06:12, 9 November 2013 (UTC)

WP:FOUR for Chalciporus piperatus

 * thx Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 12:41, 9 November 2013 (UTC)

Promote DYK hook?
Hi, I had a DYK approved a few days ago, but the hook has yet to be promoted (with other stuff promoted in the meantime), at T:TDYK, see Katherine Ritvo. Not sure who is promoting hooks these days, but looks like a labor shortage over at DYK generally, so I'm pinging a few people about this. Help? Thanks! Montanabw (talk) 21:08, 10 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Hmm, seems to have been mainpaged now....Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 03:20, 11 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes, that moved fast once it was approved, they must still be running tight on the DYK queue. In the meantime, we still need a reviewer (last I checked) for the 5x expansion of Mucho Macho Man. Interested?  (it's a fun one...)  Montanabw (talk) 05:58, 11 November 2013 (UTC)
 * All now reviewed, and THANK YOU! The person who did Beholder (horse) is doing his/her very first review and would like one more set of eyes to verify that they did a proper DYK review.  Would that be something you could peek at? It's also a Tigerboy1966 created article that I nommed for him.  Montanabw (talk) 17:56, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

Redback
There is a notice on the FAC about the WikiCup, which I presume can be deleted now. Snowman (talk) 21:36, 10 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes it can. I will do so. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 03:02, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

FA congratulations
Just a quick note to congratulate you on the promotion of Chalciporus piperatus to FA status recently. If you would like to see this (or any other FA you may have helped to write) appear as "Today's featured article" soon, please nominate it at the requests page; if you'd like to see an FA on a particular date in the next year or so, please add it to the "pending" list. In the absence of a request, the article may end up being picked at any time (although with 1,324 articles in Category:Featured articles that have not appeared on the main page at present, there's no telling how long – or short! – the wait might be). If you'd got any TFA-related questions or problems, please let me know. BencherliteTalk 11:38, 11 November 2013 (UTC)


 * Sure, will do. Feel free to pick any of mine any time. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 12:19, 11 November 2013 (UTC)
 * I think I do so anyway... ;-) BencherliteTalk 12:21, 11 November 2013 (UTC)
 * I think statistically, you're bound to hit some of his fairly frequently :) Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs ( talk ) 15:58, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Lagerpeton
The DYK project (nominate) 00:03, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Tucana
Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Tucana you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Astrocog -- 14:41, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Lythronax
The DYK project (nominate) 16:04, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Teratophoneus
The DYK project (nominate) 16:05, 14 November 2013 (UTC)

The Stub Contest... Sign me up!
Hi Casliber,

I stumbled across your idea for a stub improvement contest today, and I think it's great. I have a whole bucket of articles that I'd like to improve. In fact, I was just thinking, "Gah! Look at the state of Wikipedia. Sure, we've created some 20,000 so-called Good Articles, but how many untold millions still sit in the muck?" And as my brain was pondering all that, my fingers were bringing me to you.

In other words, please do let me know when the contest is on. I'm on to win it or at least give a damn good effort. Thank, Bobnorwal (talk) 04:31, 15 November 2013 (UTC)


 * hah, cool. Am just waiting om WMUK to approve a microgrant so we can chuck a few Amazon vouchers to winners. will keep you posted. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 04:46, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Tucana
The article Tucana you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Tucana for comments about the article. Well done! Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Astrocog -- 15:02, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Xinjiangtitan
The DYK project (nominate) 00:03, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

Talk:Monaro Highway/GA1
Casliber, the nominator asked you to pass final judgment over two weeks ago; any chance you can finish this soon? Many thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 02:58, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
 * whoops! I forgot....Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 03:31, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

Crocodilia
Would you be able to GA review Crocodilia? LittleJerry (talk) 00:34, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Bit hard up for time for a few days. If no-one takes it by Friday ping me again. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 02:21, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

Triangulum
Thanks for clarifying some of that, but i'm still hoping you'll respond telling me what 32s is! hamiltonstone (talk) 10:07, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
 * aahh, seconds in Right ascension. Will link. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 10:33, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Tucana
The DYK project (nominate) 16:03, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * thx. :) Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 03:39, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

Pavo
Casliber--I have the book by Chartrand and am quoting from it directly (I can send you a pdf of the page). I used the direct quote regarding Pavo rather than a paraphrase to make sure it was clear that I was not adding my two cents. Given Chartrand's (apparent) credentials and his expertise in the history of constellations, I find this to be a fascinating footnote. As to whether the ancient Greeks would have been able to see Pavo, this is a fair point. I would simply note that Pavo roughly lies along the same celestial path as Crux, just slightly more toward the south, although I believe its more "northern" stars are technically higher than those of Crux. -Ben

Hooded Parrot
A flickre user kindly changed the licence of a photograph of Hooded Parrots, which I have shown in the infobox. The species is only found in Northern Australia. I wonder if you can made a DKY out of it. Snowman (talk) 19:37, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
 * It is a very pretty bird - I am pleasantly surprised the wordcount is only 122 words -yes this looks achievable. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 19:46, 20 November 2013 (UTC)
 * I have been looking for a Creative Commons photograph of the male for years. Snowman (talk) 20:03, 20 November 2013 (UTC)

Main Page appearance: Common Raven
This is a note to let the main editors of Common Raven know that the article will be appearing as today's featured article on December 10, 2013. If this article needs any attention or maintenance, it would be preferable if that could be done before its appearance on the Main Page. If you prefer that the article appear as TFA on a different date, or not at all, please ask. You can view the TFA blurb at Today's featured article/December 10, 2013. If it needs tweaking, or if it needs rewording to match improvements to the article between now and its main page appearance, please edit it, following the instructions at Today's featured article/requests/instructions. The blurb as it stands now is below:

The Common Raven is a large, all-black passerine bird. Found across the northern hemisphere, it is the most widely distributed of all corvids. There are at least eight subspecies with little variation in appearance, although there are significant genetic differences among populations from various regions. It is possibly the heaviest passerine; at maturity, the Common Raven averages 63 cm in length and 1.2 kg in mass. Common Ravens can live up to 21 years in the wild, a lifespan exceeded among passerines by only a few Australasian species. Young birds may travel in flocks but later mate for life, with each pair defending a territory. The Common Raven has coexisted with humans for thousands of years and in some areas is considered a pest. Part of its success comes from its omnivorous diet; Common Ravens are extremely versatile in finding sources of nutrition. Some notable feats of problem-solving have been observed in the species, leading to the belief that it is intelligent. Over the centuries, it has been the subject of mythology, folklore, art, and literature. In many indigenous cultures, it has been revered as a spiritual figure or god. UcuchaBot (talk) 00:03, 22 November 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for this bird! "Deine Raben beide" (Wotan's two ravens) are featured twice in The Ring, in Waltraute's warning and the final scene of Götterdämmerung. Worth mentioning? Did you know that Jahrhundertring was my most successful DYK? Pictured (almost) on top of my talk, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:06, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

A beer for you!

 * Cheers! Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 12:52, 22 November 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Hooded Parrot
The DYK project (nominate) 00:03, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

Important Notice: Your 2013 Arbitration Committee Election vote
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Bristol stool scale
This page was barely edited before protection, and it has been barely edited since. Lower to "pending changes"? --George Ho (talk) 01:24, 26 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Alright, changed to PC - we'll see if any IP adds anything constructive then Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 01:48, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

DYK for The Kongouro from New Holland
The DYK project (nominate) 08:14, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

Nomination of Super AIDS for deletion
A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Super AIDS is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Articles for deletion/Super AIDS until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. — OwenBlacker (Talk) 21:24, 26 November 2013 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for your GA review of Brislington House.&mdash; Rod talk 20:09, 27 November 2013 (UTC)
 * No problem, a pleasure to read. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 20:16, 27 November 2013 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Thopha saccata
Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Thopha saccata you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Yzx -- 04:11, 28 November 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Slim Newton
Nikkimaria (talk) 08:02, 28 November 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Thopha sessiliba
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 16:02, 29 November 2013 (UTC)

Stub Contest TBA judge
Still looking for a judge? If you do, I'm more than openly qualified personally. I'd write myself for it, but I got enough writing projects to do. I can definitely help judge, even with finals in a few weeks. Mitch 32 (New digs, new life, same old stubborn.) 22:18, 29 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Great/yes please/'op on board! Cheers, Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 02:15, 30 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Sure, want me to just add my name to the page? Mitch 32 (New digs, new life, same old stubborn.) 03:01, 30 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Aaah, I was about to and you beat me to it ;) Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 03:07, 30 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Problem solved then. All pages are watchlisted (not that mine is large enough; 30,514+ articles). Mitch 32 (New digs, new life, same old stubborn.) 03:09, 30 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Also, any way you and I can keep in contact faster than by this page? Mitch 32 (New digs, new life, same old stubborn.) 16:35, 30 November 2013 (UTC)

Howdy. I think we need to seriously make changes next time around. It's been just short of 3 days, and Sasata has 516 points, courtesy 316 reassignments. Also, I would highly suggest try emphasizing the expansions over reassignments. Mitch 32 (New digs, new life, same old stubborn.) 23:23, 2 December 2013 (UTC)

Arthur Gould peer review
Hey. I saw you listed at Peer review/volunteers and was wondering if you'd be willing to give any feedback on the article at Peer review/Arthur Gould (rugby union)/archive1? Thanks! – Shudde talk 10:29, 30 November 2013 (UTC)

TB
 S ven M anguard  Wha?  20:18, 30 November 2013 (UTC)

A cookie for you!

 * thanks Bddmagic! Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 10:14, 2 December 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Tsintaosaurus
The DYK project (nominate) 00:02, 1 December 2013 (UTC)

Stub Contest Idea
Hey, I really love the stub contest! I have an idea: You make a chart/table that has all of the participants in the contest, and users can manually add on their points (like a scoreboard). You can choose to view the table either by most points, alphabetical order of name, or order of who joined. I'd be willing to do the layout and chart.

Thanks for the contest! Newyorkadam (talk) 02:31, 1 December 2013 (UTC)Newyorkadam
 * sounds like a great idea. Go for it. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 05:02, 1 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Done! Newyorkadam (talk) 13:14, 2 December 2013 (UTC)Newyorkadam

DYK for Macrotristria angularis
DYKUpdateBot (talk) 05:33, 2 December 2013 (UTC)

FAC
Hi can you comment on this nomination. &mdash; Vensatry (Ping me)  04:02, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Time limited but will try to take a look. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 14:06, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi, thanks for spending time with the article. I've responded to your queries. &mdash; Vensatry (Ping me)  06:46, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

Time to unprotect Ötzi?
Hello. You semi-protected Ötzi over two years ago (when the article was known as Ötzi the Iceman). The reason you cited was "Persistent vandalism: perpetual target"

As recommended at WP:UNPROTECT, I thought I'd check to see if you are willing to remove the protection now that two years have passed. Thanks in advance. 67.100.127.160 (talk) 22:39, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Ok - let's try....Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 23:42, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
 * No chance: vandalism's back! Please leave Ötzi semi-protected forever.--Sajoch (talk) 15:16, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Yeah that was quick. Good to see indef semi was the right decision in the first place. Reinstituted. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 19:41, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Thopha saccata
The article Thopha saccata you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Thopha saccata for comments about the article. Well done! Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Yzx -- 22:52, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

Contest Idea Page?
Hey,

Where did you submit the request to hold the Stub Contest? Is there a place to request to hold a contest? I was looking through your contribution history and didn't see anything about a request. I was thinking about holding a typo correction contest. I found the Ideas for new contests page, but that seems to be covered in dust, and I didn't see any request by you on that page.

Thanks! Newyorkadam (talk) 23:30, 3 December 2013 (UTC)Newyorkadam
 * Seek and ye shall find here Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 23:49, 3 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I saw that, but isn't that for getting money for rewards for already created contests? And it says that I need to join by paying £5. Is there any way to not do that? Thanks! Newyorkadam (talk) 01:00, 4 December 2013 (UTC)Newyorkadam
 * No no, you make a grant proposal and no you don't have to be a WMUK member. I've applied for each running of core contest (3 times to date) Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 02:56, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
 * The current rules are that the applicant need to be a Wikimedia UK member. Obviously, it is apparent that we haven't been really good at enforcing that rule, but we will do so going forward. For the record, it is possible to apply for the membership requirement to be waived, but that is unlikely to be granted. -- Katie Chan (WMUK) (talk) 12:23, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Ok, I submitted a request :) You can see it here! Newyorkadam (talk) 19:21, 4 December 2013 (UTC)Newyorkadam
 * Good luck! Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 19:40, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

Core Contest (3) report
Hi, when you have a moment, could you please fill out a quick report based on Microgrants/Template/Report for the Core Contest. Thanks -- Katie Chan (WMUK) (talk) 12:27, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
 * done. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 13:33, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank you :) -- Katie Chan (WMUK) (talk) 20:33, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

Treblinka extermination camp FAC reminder
Hello. I saw that you began reviewing Treblinka extermination camp at FAC on 19 November but seem to not have finished your review. I understand why you would do so, seeing as PoeticBent has been busy addressing Squemish Ossifrage's lengthy list of concerns and has forgotten about the two you've posted. Anyway, I will remind PoeticBent to address your two comments by posting on his talk page, and I hope that you "will take a look soon [and] make straightforward copyedits as [you] go and jot queries below". PoeticBent and I have put a lot of work into the article between the two of us and would greatly appreciate it if you would take the time to do a thorough review. AmericanLemming (talk) 03:17, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Nankangia
— Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:19, 8 December 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Europelta
Gatoclass (talk) 20:33, 8 December 2013 (UTC)

Main Page appearance: redback spider
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The redback spider is a species of venomous spider indigenous to Australia. It is a member of the cosmopolitan genus Latrodectus, the widow spiders. The adult female has a black body with a prominent abdominal red stripe (pictured). Females have a body length of about 1 cm, while the male is much smaller, being only 3–4 mm (0.12–0.16 in) long. Mainly nocturnal, the female redback lives in an untidy web in a warm sheltered location near or inside human residences. It preys on insects, spiders and small vertebrates that become ensnared in its web. Male spiders and spiderlings often live on the periphery of the female spiders' web and steal leftovers. The redback is one of few arachnids which usually display sexual cannibalism while mating. It has a widespread distribution in Australia, and inadvertent introductions have led to established colonies in New Zealand, Japan and in greenhouses in Belgium. The redback is one of the few spider species that can be seriously harmful to humans. An antivenom has been available since 1956, although there are disputes about its effectiveness, and there have been no deaths directly due to redback bites since its introduction. UcuchaBot (talk) 23:01, 9 December 2013 (UTC)

Talkback
Samwalton9 (talk) 13:31, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

Betelgeuse Betelgeuse Betelgeuse
I don't think I told you that I first remember hearing the English pronunciation of the star before the FA nom, because I'd only ever read the word and pronounced it like it is in German, which is like this. I found it fascinating how different it sounds, and that it is male, for some reason. Crazy right? Also, your plants articles inspired me: next year I will try to grow a snow gum from seed and put it in the garden, I bought some seeds from an exotic seed seller which were gathered on Mt. Hotham, and they weren't even that expensive. Perhaps a plant or two will survive with good winter protection. They may grow in England but I need good luck in zone 7. It would probably be good to get some images of Eucalyptus seedling of ssp. niphophila for Wikipedia. I haven't seen any. Best regards Hekerui (talk) 15:39, 11 December 2013 (UTC)
 * (Edit conflict) See also Beetlejuice, best movie evvah.  darwin bish  BITE   ☠  15:41, 11 December 2013 (UTC).
 * I remember being a little kid and my grandmother pronouncing it like "Bĕt-el-gerz". Funny word, that's for sure. Now everyone says Beetle-juice since the movie. I nagged my uncle who has a holiday house and land in Long Island, New York to try a snow gum for fun. Recently, I was in London, and walking along the road to Ravenscourt Park Tube saw an enormous gum tree in someone's front yard. Hakea arborescens was grown outside at Edinburgh Botanic Gardens, so some of these will grow in pretty interesting locales....Go for it!Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 19:17, 11 December 2013 (UTC)


 * PS: On google maps, you can see it on the eastern side of Askew Road just north of the intersection with Askew Crescent. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 19:25, 11 December 2013 (UTC)

Stub Contest/Scoreboard
About the scoreboard, shouldn't Gobonobo have 15 points instead of 10? He has 5 re-rates. Chris857 (talk) 15:07, 12 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Oops, my bad corrected now Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 19:48, 12 December 2013 (UTC)

Advertising the Tyop Contest
Hi Casliber,

I got the grant! It got approved, thanks for all of your help with that :D

I am going to start advertising now. I am wondering if I am allowed to post messages to users talk pages inviting them to join the contest. I know this might be considered canvassing, but I disagree. It is merely a contest to contribute the overall quality of Wikipedia. Can you please contribute your insight onto this situation?

Thanks! Newyorkadam (talk) 03:56, 14 December 2013 (UTC)

P.S. The contest is here :)

I promised Adam I would help out in organizing this event, (I'm officially mentoring him) if you need reassurance. Thanks Secret account 03:58, 14 December 2013 (UTC)


 * Well done! You should approach the Wikipedia Signpost - it'd be good if they do a story a week or two beforehand. Also post on the Village Pump and (importantly) Template:Centralized discussion. I would not call it canvassing to post on talk pages. This place is really big and folks miss stuff all the time. I was about to suggest posting at the tlak page of the Typo Team, but I see you've done that already. Also, anyone who is good at graphics would be good to pretty up the contest page. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 04:01, 14 December 2013 (UTC)
 * We could use ours with a graphic, but I am not that person. Mitch 32 (New digs, new life, same old stubborn.) 04:06, 14 December 2013 (UTC)
 * I'll contact the Signpost in a little while, when we get nearer the contest (contest is February-March). I'm working on getting some style for the page made right now. I'll post at the Village Pump, thanks for the link!
 * So it's ok if I post an invitation on talk pages? I might be posting a couple hundred if that's ok... Thanks! Newyorkadam (talk) 04:20, 14 December 2013 (UTC)Newyorkadam
 * Go for it - all you are doing is promoting something. It is not as if you are trying to canvass an opinion in a dispute or anything. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 04:22, 14 December 2013 (UTC)

December 2013
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Consider joining the Tyop Contest!
Hi there! You're invited to participate in the first ever Tyop Contest! The Tyop Contest is a friendly competition between Wikipedia users to correct typos. The contest will be run from February 1 to March 1, 2014. Depending on the typo you correct, you gain a certain number of points. The user with the highest number of points at the end wins the contest! Considering joining? -Newyorkadam

DYK for Theta Muscae
Callanecc (talk • contribs • logs) 15:18, 16 December 2013 (UTC)

Schizophrenia frustration
Cas, are you going to be able to keep up there? I've been begging folks to update the DSM5 articles for months, and now this Moyers fellow has gone all over Wikipedia recruiting people who aren't familiar with FA standards to edit the article. I'm tired of babysitting that article; if you aren't able to give it a significant effort, I'm going to unwatch and let it go to FAR. Tired of babysitting it by myself. Sandy Georgia (Talk) 02:17, 17 December 2013 (UTC)


 * We had a long discussion at WP:AN last month where consensus was that editnotices could be added to FAs, but only admins can create them. Administrators%27 noticeboard/Archive257 Would you mind creating:
 * Template:Editnotices/Page/Schizophrenia to add text from WP:OWN and others:
 * Schizophrenia is a Featured article. While it is open for editing like any other, it has gone through a community review process at Featured article candidates, where it was checked for high quality sources, a thorough survey of the relevant literature, and compliance with the Featured Article criteria. It is considerate to discuss significant changes of text or images on the talk page first. This article must comply with Wikipedia's medical content guidelines, medical sourcing guidelines, and the Featured article standards including a consistent citation style.
 * If we still had an FA leader, we'd get that installed on every FA. Best, Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 02:29, 17 December 2013 (UTC)
 * There is alot of controversy and annoyance about DSM5 - on looking at it, it isn't as bad as I feared, but I recall some institutions declaring they wouldn't use it a few months ago, which was concerning. I can access DSM5 via online access at my library. I am really strapped for time at present and it needs a proper sit-down and lookover. Not sure when I will get to it. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 05:03, 17 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Controversy about DSM5 wasn't a reason for Wikipedia to not update its articles-- whether we like it or not, it's still DSM5. Anyway, I have never liked babysitting schizophrenia, it's not my baby, and now it's under full-blown assault from editors who don't know the standards of regular articles, much less FAs, and I'm tired of being one of few who have to sit on that article.  I shall submit it to FAR myself, and argue strongly this time that it be de-featured, since no one gives a F.  Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 23:43, 17 December 2013 (UTC)
 * I just checked with my hospital library - they ordered a copy in July which still hasn't appeared. I would like to see a hard copy to compare with what I can see via online access (which does not have page numbers!). The DSM copyright is a real headache for all psychiatric diagostic articles and I think I'd like some clarification on what we can and can't have before proceeding. I need to check the archives to see what were our conclusions in the past. Feel free to nominate it. That is what FAR is for anyway. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 02:55, 18 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Allright, fine, I'll go ask or  to help create the editnotices, which we sorely need on medical FAs (and should have on all FAs, but without a leader, that isn't happening).   It's not only schizophrenia that needs to go to FAR-- there's also autism, reactive attachment disorder and major depressive disorder as well, and possibly Asperger syndrome since, although I updated it for DSM5, it hasn't been generally updated since Eubulides left.  If WT:MED doesn't have the resources to watch these FAs, they shouldn't be FAs. Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 06:43, 18 December 2013 (UTC)
 * On the DSM copyright issue, I was involved the last time the APA went through and had everything in sight tagged as copyvio based on a letter to Mike Godwin-- even those of us who long knew that the APA strictly defended its copyright and hadn't committed copyvio were tagged, see Talk:Tic disorder and Copyright problems/2010 March 9. Right now, Schizophrenia is going too far with DSM-IV-TR.    Basically, the APA doesn't want us giving out enough of their criteria that we can be used for diagnosis.  Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 06:43, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

Right - getting to work on the editnotices. I could always nominate you for adminship - this is the reason I became an admin - to facilitate content editing. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 10:29, 18 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Cas, I'll start a subpage with the editnotice thingie so we can all work on it-- will ping you. Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 18:38, 18 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Holy cow, I see you're already doing them! Woohoo! Cas, can I be made a "template editor" (user rights) so I don't have to bug you with this?  There is a Featured Article that should be Featured article (no uppercase), but I can't even edit those pages, or help with them. Also, I linked twice to WIAFA ... revised:  Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 18:44, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

Schizophrenia is a Featured article. While it is open for editing like any other, it has gone through a community review process at Featured article candidates, where it was checked for high quality sources, a thorough survey of the relevant literature, and compliance with the criteria for Featured articles. It is considerate to discuss significant changes of text or images on the talk page first. This article must comply with Wikipedia's medical content guidelines, medical sourcing guidelines, and the Featured article standards, including a consistent citation style.

Cas, made me a template editor:  don't tell  or my dh, but I'm in love. I redid Template:Editnotices/Page/Schizophrenia. Woohoo ! Sandy Georgia (Talk) 20:47, 18 December 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm now caught up with you on redoing them through Influenza Lung cancer- see WT:FAC (maybe the Coeliac version will be preferred), so I will hold off on doing more for now. Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 21:06, 18 December 2013 (UTC)
 * How did I get in here? Just because of my MPD? I'm not schizophrenic, you know--and that's what I just told Jesus too. OH! Now I see it! YOUR IN LUV with another man! Well, that's a type 6 on your kitchen island then. Anyway, congrats on your new status, Sandy, and may you put it to good use. Cas Liber and Laser brain, thanks for making or enabling that little box to be checked, which can only further the project. Drmies (talk) 01:16, 19 December 2013 (UTC)
 * What are you suggesting about me and kitchen counters? Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 15:09, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for getting that ball rolling. Hea, Cas, you seemed to get on well with, while I found him to be quite the pain in the petusky and doubt that he cared much for me. So, what ever became of him? Sandy Georgia (Talk) 15:09, 19 December 2013 (UTC)

Question about stub contest
Hi Cas - Over the past couple of days, I've made these changes to Fort Larned National Historic Site. In the midst of my changes, another user upgraded the article from stub to start class on the talk page. Should I claim the article for points? I'm not fussed either way, but wanted to ask for an official opinion on this one :) Thanks in advance, Dana boomer (talk) 03:04, 17 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Count it - you did the building....Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 05:04, 17 December 2013 (UTC)

Main Page appearance: Phoenix (constellation)
This is a note to let the main editors of Phoenix (constellation) know that the article will be appearing as today's featured article on January 1, 2014. If this article needs any attention or maintenance, it would be preferable if that could be done before its appearance on the Main Page. If you prefer that the article appear as TFA on a different date, or not at all, please ask. You can view the TFA blurb at Today's featured article/January 1, 2014. If it needs tweaking, or if it needs rewording to match improvements to the article between now and its main page appearance, please edit it, following the instructions at Today's featured article/requests/instructions. The blurb as it stands now is below:

Phoenix is a constellation in the southern sky, stretches from roughly −39° to −57° declination, and from 23.5h to 2.5h of right ascension. Named after the mythical phoenix, it was first depicted on a celestial atlas by Johann Bayer in his 1603 Uranometria. The French explorer and astronomer Nicolas Louis de Lacaille charted the brighter stars and gave their Bayer designations in 1756. The brightest star, Alpha Phoenicis, or Ankaa, is an orange giant of apparent magnitude 2.4. Nu Phoenicis has a dust disk, while the constellation boasts ten star systems with planets, and HE0107-5240, possibly one of the oldest stars yet discovered. It has around 1/200,000 the metallicity that the Sun has and hence must have formed very early in the history of the universe. The recently discovered galaxy clusters El Gordo and the Phoenix Cluster—located 7.2 and 5.7 billion light years away respectively, are two of the largest objects in the visible universe. Phoenix is the radiant of two annual meteor showers: the Phoenicids in December, and the July Phoenicids. UcuchaBot (talk) 00:01, 20 December 2013 (UTC)

Very quick question about the Stub Contest
Hi Casliber - I'm loving the stub contest, and it seems to be having a really positive effect on enwiki as a whole (hundreds of stubs expanded, thousands re-rated etc.). I just have one quick question - I initially wrote and was credited for Luzula nivalis before I expanded it to it's current size, and it is now at 4951 B of readable prose size. Am I still eligible for the +5 bonus? Thank you very much in advance and keep up the good work! :) Acather96 (click here to contact me) 14:36, 21 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Sure - it is still before the closing date of Dec 31....Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 14:39, 21 December 2013 (UTC)

Happy Holidays...

 * Thou spake soothlike! Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 23:50, 21 December 2013 (UTC)

Merry Christmas!


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Happy Holidays
...Modernist (talk) 03:35, 25 December 2013 (UTC) Merry Christmas too and thanks for the Banskia article at TFA the other day!♦ Dr. Blofeld  11:38, 25 December 2013 (UTC)

[Stub Contest] FYI
Here is the thread I made for requests for help. Mitch 32 (New digs, new life, same old stubborn.) 04:09, 26 December 2013 (UTC)
 * ok. I asked on 's and 's talkpages too. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 09:52, 26 December 2013 (UTC)

Belated greetings
Hi Cas. Somewhat belated best wishes for Christmas and the New Year. Good intentions yesterday were submerged in turkey, Chateauneuf du Pape and Laphroaigh (spelling may not be correct) Cheers!!!  Jimfbleak -  talk to me?  06:42, 26 December 2013 (UTC)

Happy New Year!

 * Indeed I will....Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 21:02, 26 December 2013 (UTC)

Best wishes

 * Not bad, nice reductionist hummer - can't condone a video that has kids running across railway tracks....Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:41, 27 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Quite. The vid is wreckless in a number of ways, and really they should have rung social services rather than signed him to a record deal. I do hope he is ok, and not chewed up by the publicity machine. Ceoil (talk) 04:45, 27 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Jesus Cas we are getting old talking like this!!! Ceoil (talk) 10:10, 27 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Yerrp. (desperately trying to come up with something witty to say...comes up with nowt...fuck it, memory playing up) Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 13:22, 27 December 2013 (UTC)

Middle Ages
Looks to me that we're dealing with a nationalistic editor using either sockpuppets or meatpuppets - see JanHusCz and Sumatro. Can someone please do SOMETHING??? This is the sort of crap that drives good content editors away... Ealdgyth - Talk 14:11, 27 December 2013 (UTC)


 * Interesting. In May of this year, a user named Ceco31 was topic-banned from anything relating to Bulgaria. His last edits were to editwar on Bulgarians. (See also this and this.) Sumatro shows up in August, immediately using rather complex Wikisyntax and engaging in an editwar right off the bat at Bulgarians. ( reverts him with the comment "Rv. sock of a blocked user: Ceco31", which sounds quite plausible.) Sumatro edits nothing but Bulgarians all month, then in September switches to Nina Dobrev, a model, where he's only interested in the "Bulgarian nationality and citizenship" aspects. Edit wars there, and edits nothing but that one article for months. Meanwhile, JanHusCz also shows up in September, and after the 4 days and 12 edits it takes to get auto-confirmed, he immediately set about at Nina Dobrev making the same sort of changes as Sumatro, using wikisyntax and citing Wikipedia policy like a pro. Both quit Nina in early December and set on Middle Ages together, edit warring to emphasize Bulgaria there. Despite agreeing completely, they never once use each other's talk page or really reply to each other on article talk pages. If you want to take this to WP:ANI or WP:SPI, I'll help present the relevant info. – Quadell (talk) 14:59, 27 December 2013 (UTC)


 * I generally avoid the drama boards - to paraphrase McCoy "I'm a content editor, Jim!". If you want to run with this, feel free. I just want it to stop on Middle Ages. Ealdgyth - Talk 15:02, 27 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Sockpuppet investigations/Sumatro FYI. Ealdgyth - Talk 15:24, 27 December 2013 (UTC)
 * (ec) I understand disliking the drama boards, but they're often the only way to get the behavior to stop on the articles you care about. (It's like paying taxes; nobody wants to do it, but everybody wants the benefits.) I've started a discussion at Administrators%27 noticeboard/Incidents. Your perspective would be valuable. – Quadell (talk) 15:45, 27 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Damn, just woke up....need coffee to digest....Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 19:43, 27 December 2013 (UTC)

History
you may have noticed a couple of edits in your history by User:Fceefyahoo.ca. Now blocked by User:Rjd0060 and talk page editing removed by me  Jimfbleak -  talk to me?  19:55, 30 December 2013 (UTC)
 * ok, thanks for letting me know. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 20:06, 30 December 2013 (UTC)

Blue's Clues FACin
Hey Cas, this is me asking something of you again! Hope you're having a happy New Year. So—are you ready to kick my butt again in this year's Wikicup? This year, I'm determined to at least get into the finals. Anyway, since you reviewed this article's previous FAC, would you mind taking the time to look at this one, please? Thanks, I'd appreciate it muchly. Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 23:14, 30 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Yep, I've been meaning to read it. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 08:10, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

W Cygni
Hi, I was looking at the second ref on W Cygni, and it appears to me as though you linked the wrong page, as it links to R Muscae information, at least for me. I would fix it, but I'm not familiar with how to navigate that site. StringTheory11 (t • c) 05:09, 31 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Whoops - forgot that in the cut-and-paste....fixed now. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 08:08, 31 December 2013 (UTC)