User talk:Crisco 1492/Archive 42

DYK for Nio Joe Lan
Gatoclass (talk) 00:03, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

Kamehameha Statues
Could you help me separate the article Kamehameha Statue]s] into a pre-06:39, August 16, 2012 version called [[Kamehameha Statues and the present mess into a separate article with the post-06:39, August 16, 2012 content called Kamehameha Statues (original cast)? I don't have the heart to revert User:Agupta72 since most of it is sourced so I think a link to them on a parent Kamehameha Statues article will suffice,--KAVEBEAR (talk) 06:02, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Done. (Per WP:SPLIT you could have done this one on your own) — Crisco 1492 (talk) 06:35, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

Great North 10K
Hi, is there any chance I could be added to the DYK credit for Great North 10K? I did quite a lot of work on it. It doesn't really matter if it's not possible as it's in a queue at the moment. SagaciousPhil  -  Chat  06:06, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Done, added. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 06:35, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

Illinois Valley Community Hospital
Hi Crisco 1491. Would you be so kind as to move a copy of the deleted article to my sandbox or userspace? I would like to work on it. I would have copied it proactively, but I didn't think the deletion discussion was approaching consensus yet. I'm surprised a 126 year old hospital at the heart of a community can be so easily deleted, but perhaps I can find some better sourcing with a little effort. Thanks. Candleabracadabra (talk) 06:26, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Done, see User:Candleabracadabra/Illinois Valley Community Hospital — Crisco 1492 (talk) 06:35, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Great! Thank you very much. I appreciate your help. Candleabracadabra (talk) 06:53, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

Thanks
Just a thanks for your support and thoughtful comments over on Pskys page. I'm sorely tempted to start a protest movement (bowel-related pun intended) to encourage people to put random swear words into edit summaries -- only in a clearly NPA manner - to make a point. Except I suppose that would be too WP:POINT-y. We are livingin strange times. Montanabw (talk) 17:35, 8 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Don't mention it. It seems to be a distinctly common occurrence with that editor and 9 times out of 10 I have a moment when reading his/her replies. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:15, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm noting that {[facebalm}} thingy! Thanks!   Montanabw (talk) 19:25, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
 * For a site that's not Facebook, we've sure got a lot of templates., , and all seem meant for discussions. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:51, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/Gibraltar by-election, 2013
Crisco, the original hook for this article was objected to on a couple of grounds by one of the reviewers, which is where the ALT1 came from, and my suggested ALT1a which fixed some minor problems in the ALT1. Obviously, as I suggested ALT1a, I can't make the change myself to the promoted hook in Prep 4, which is why I'm dropping a note here. I should also mention that Ohconfucius came through and eliminated a couple of wikilinks in the main hook, but didn't bother carrying that through to either of the ALTs. I leave it to your judgment, should you use an ALT, as to whether those wikilinks should be retained or removed. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 04:23, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Late thought: I think I would change "contesting" to "who contested", since the election was held five days ago. (It goes with "was" in the ALTs.) BlueMoonset (talk) 04:26, 9 July 2013 (UTC)


 * The objection that I saw was that "half the candidates" implies that there were many candidates, an issue that (although I can understand where the objection came from) is farcical: "half the candidates", if we follow a dictionary definition, requires there only to be two candidates. Thus the hook is not misrepresentative and/or inaccurate. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 04:28, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Did the grammar change. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 04:29, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Gibmetal 77 did say he preferred ALT1a, though we don't always go with the creator's preference. And, I have to say, I think "leaders" is superior to "figures". Since "half" and "are" imply between them that there are at least two candidates who were children, it covers the minimum possibility (two of four), which is the actual number, so I guess we're set there. Thanks for fixing the grammar. BlueMoonset (talk) 05:21, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Went with "Leaders". Cheers. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 06:00, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much. BlueMoonset (talk) 02:07, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/BCODE
Greetings! I'm just curious as to your rationale for concluding the above AFD was a no-consensus. I know AfD isn't a vote count, but the only opinions expressed were delete votes (and, at the risk of tooting my own horn, I think they were both sound and policy-based). In any event, do you have any issue with me immediately re-nominating? It's horribly sourced and my own searching did little to convince me that there's any chance that will improve (particularly since I suspect the company is no longer operating). ɠǀɳ̩ςεΝɡ bomb  21:45, 10 July 2013 (UTC)
 * No, no issues with having another run. It's hard to say there was a "consensus" when only two people !voted (not very solid, not something we should base decisions off of) — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:14, 11 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I figured as much. Okay, thanks! ɠǀɳ̩ςεΝɡ  bomb  01:48, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

DYK nomination
I nominated Juan Antonio Yanes which isn't a self-nomination, for DYK, but there is a problem. Three of the sentences are not referenced and it seems like they are from the offline references, but I can't tell. Do you think that the best thing to do would be to remove those sentences if not verified with an online source or fixed by the creator? SL93 (talk) 02:30, 11 July 2013 (UTC)
 * You're talking about the unreffed paragraph which starts "Like many kids"? I'd hide it. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 09:03, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

Upcoming DYK
Hey, Crisco! You seem to be a person of sense, so if you have a moment, maybe as an admin you could check and potentially change something? I've outlined the issue here. There's no dissent, but nobody seems to be around, and that awkward hook is scheduled to appear on the Main Page soon. What do you think? Awien (talk) 12:39, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I had gotten it yesterday (forgot to reply here) — Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:10, 10 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Saw it was done, thought it was probably you. Awien (talk) 01:33, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

Hans Bartels (1906-1997)
Bung, sy ketemu biografi lengkap Hans Bartels di jurnal Ardea (Ardea sendiri merupakan nama genus burung). Mau sy buatkan biografinya d Wikipedia Indonesia. Di situ lengkap dgn 2 foto oleh Hans Bartels. Itu bisa masuk Commons ga'? Klu pun tdk, tlg diusahakan bisa masuk Commons 'ya pak? :-)

Ini linknya: Ardea Salam. -- Akbar ini dari Kalbar 01:25, 12 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Sepertinya tidak bisa. Gambar Hans sendiri tidak ada sumber untuk kapan itu pertama kali diterbitkan, dan gambar satunya lagi diterbitkan pada tahun 1937 - jadi tidak mungkin WU di AS. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:28, 12 July 2013 (UTC)
 * 'Astajim (singkatan dari ASTAghfirullahal AJIM). Jadi, yg satunya lagi, nest Anthracoceros albirostris ssp. convexus itu tdk bisa masuk Commons hanya karna dikeluarkan pada tahun '37? Sumbernya jelas, fotografernya jelas (Max Bartels), dan penerbitnya jelas, Nederlandsche Commissie voor Internationale Natuur-bescherming, Mededeelingen No. 11 (1937). Kemudian, apa yg salah dgn foto ini? -- Akbar ini dari Kalbar 01:42, 12 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Bartels kan meninggal tahun '97; undang-undang hak cipta di Belanda itu berlaku sampai 70 tahun setelah meninggalnya orang yang mengambil foto. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:45, 12 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Ya.... d Kranten ada gx? Klo masih ada d Kranten, kita nyaman. Bisa langsung ambil foto d sana. Kasi referensi apa begitu, klo dari sana. Dah itu, mudah-mudahan sy diberi celah memasukkan foto 'ni. -- Akbar ini dari Kalbar 01:58, 12 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Kranten hanya aman untuk foto-foto dari Hindia Belanda, karena hak cipta Indonesia yang dihitung, bukan hak cipta Belanda (karena itu, ada gambar-gambar produksi Djaoeh Dimata yang saya tidak berani menggunakan). Apakah Bartels sempat aktif di Hindia Belanda? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:02, 12 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Pernah. Begini alurnya, tahun '30 dia kawin, lalu bekerja di lembaga Handels Vereeniging Amsterdam di Pematang Siantar, Sumatera Utara. Pada April '32, dia bersama saudaranya mendapati Aceros undulatus, Juni '33 menemui Batrachostomus poliolophus. Tahun 40-42, jadi tentara. Hans kembali k Belanda tahun '47. Tahun '48, kembali dia k Indonesia. Tahun '52, dia pulang k Belanda. Tahun 1975-1979, dia k Jawa, Sumatera, dan Bali utk ikut tur. -- Akbar ini dari Kalbar 07:08, 12 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Sayangnya di Kranten tidak ada gambarnya (baru tak cek) — Crisco 1492 (talk) 07:15, 12 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Yah... Sial lagi. Stajim. Klo gitu harus buka Biodiversity Heritage Library atawa archive. -- Akbar ini dari Kalbar 07:25, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

Expand in article
Hello Crisco1492, I was wondering if you would be interested on helping me expand an article (espically on the lead), it is the following: Daytime Emmy Award for Outstanding Lead Actor in a Drama Series. I would like to it to become in FL in the future. The reason I approach you, I've seen lots of work that you have done and they are amazing! I would really appreciated it! Thanks in advance. SoapFan12 04:45, 12 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I may take a look later, although to be quite honest I'm not a fan of soaps/daytime dramas. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 04:51, 12 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I understand. But this will mean the world to me, if you say yes! I hope you can think about it. When, you made you're choice, please contact me on my talk page. SoapFan12 04:55, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

FAC
I was just about to ask a delegate for permission to start a new FAC when Garden Warbler attracted a fourth reviewer who is giving it a very thorough going over. The next one will actually be from your neck of the woods, since Pacific Swift is a far eastern species. It's not well studied, so it's quite short. Do you have anything up and running?
 * I'll have a look at the GA if I get time, no promises, I have busy weekend coming up... and it's still sunny!  Jimfbleak  -  talk to me?  05:47, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

Bahaha
I think the edit this refers to is where I reverted his unexplained removal of referenced content. The problem (which i always think should be rather obvious) in accusing editors of bias, is leaving oneself open to similar accusations. The combination of the editor's comments on my page, and their contributions, suggests to me they think a pro-Dutch bias is OK but an (alleged) pro-Indonesian bias is not. It's not the first time I've been left wondering if a pro-Dutch bias is OK whereas a pro-Indonesian bias is not. ;-) --Merbabu (talk) 05:54, 12 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Which is exactly why I've used tortured phrasing like "a 1948 film from what is now Indonesia[footnote]" at Djaoeh Dimata. I can understand where the editor is coming from, but most sources agree that 17 August 1945 was Indonesia's date of independence, so giving undue prominence to another opinion is POV pushing. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 06:10, 12 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes, and writing (paraphrased) "Indonesia recognises 1945, and Netherlands recognises 1949" is always better than (once again, paraphrased) "it was 1949 although Indonesia claims 1945" is basic NPOV writing - something that our friend also doesn't seem to understand. Oh, and the notion that sovereignty was "given" vs. "recognised". Subtle? Maybe. Significant? certainly. That will need to be fixed --Merbabu (talk) 06:43, 12 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Which article, for "given" versus "recognised"? That is certainly a significant change in meaning. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 06:47, 12 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Dutch%E2%80%93Indonesian_Round_Table_Conference - although perhaps the point is not so relevant to the article. It's a point most non-Indonesians miss, but it is very dear to Indonesians, as you no doubt know. Ie, sovereignty was not Dutch to be given by the Dutch, but to be asserted by Indonesia and recognised by others, including the Dutch. --Merbabu (talk) 06:53, 12 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Indeed, very much so. "Asserted" is from a position of power, while "given" is from the position of an inferior. Done. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 07:14, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

DYK question
I didn't include italics for a film article in the hook, but I was wondering if that is acceptable in this case - Template:Did you know nominations/Sharknado. SL93 (talk) 06:48, 12 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Something like that would only be for April Fools (unless it were correctly capitalised and italicised) — Crisco 1492 (talk) 06:59, 12 July 2013 (UTC)
 * What a pity. I changed the hook. SL93 (talk) 07:02, 12 July 2013 (UTC)
 * You can hold it if you want (I've done it before, although I haven't had any good April Fools hooks yet. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 07:06, 12 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I don't want to wait that long for this article, but I know that April Fools Day will be fun for me next year. SL93 (talk) 07:14, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

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Your edit without source
Please give your source that Ben Bot has said de jure instead of de facto, hre's my source;

http://www.novatv.nl/page/detail/nieuws/8169/De+volledige+toespraak+van+Bot+waarin+hij+17+augustus+erkent

This is the speech he gave, you can read that he has said - de facto - --ArmTheInsane (talk) 14:17, 12 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I didn't add "de jure" anywhere in the article. Not adding information = not having to give a source. Multiple sources give the 2005 announcement as "recognising 17 August 1945 as the date of Indonesian independence" without going into de jure/de facto, so that is one (and likely the most neutral) way to approach the issue. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:23, 12 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Or, actually develop it into a fairly full paragraph which the de facto statement as part of a wider topic regarding Dutch recognition (and thus not appear to be pushing a de jure/de facto argument). — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:38, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

Request for your feedback
Hi Crisco, I wonder if you could provide a view on the issues that are being raised at Template:Did you know nominations/Devil's Gap Footpath. Basically, is an editor allowed to reject an article on the basis that he doesn't think it's notable, even though it's never been at AfD? Prioryman (talk) 19:23, 12 July 2013 (UTC) See also WT:DYK. Prioryman (talk) 19:57, 12 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Will reply. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:06, 13 July 2013 (UTC)
 * To borrow Fram's term, I've replied but you won't necessarily like it. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:16, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

Adoption
Hello, Crisco! I'm Mach, i've read your profile in the Adopt-a-user's Adoptee's area and im wondering if you can provide me mentorship? --MachKushayt c 14:47, 12 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi there Mach. It appears this summer I'm going to be too busy to take another adoptee, but feel free to drop by if you have any questions! (Or even if you need a copyedit/check of something you're working on) — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:52, 12 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Oh, okay then! maybe another time. --MachKushayt c 00:26, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

Indonesian Wikipedia
Hi Crisco. I'm preparing messages for some of our smaller wikis in regards to the VisualEditor rollout, which will be happening for them on the 29th. You are fairly fluent in Indonesian, no? I'm looking for someone to help me translate a brief message for id.wikipedia. If you don't have time, or are too busy, no worries (but maybe you could point me in the direction of a likely helper?) Thanks kindly, PEarley (WMF) (talk) 02:04, 13 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Sure thing PEarley, just point me at the what you want translated. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:25, 13 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Awesome, Crisco. I don't have the message done up yet, is it okay if I email it to you tomorrow? PEarley (WMF) (talk) 02:27, 13 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Sure, send it right on over. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:31, 13 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Righteous. By the end of this, I'll know how to thank you in Indonesian. PEarley (WMF) (talk) 02:46, 13 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Mail you've got. PEarley (WMF) (talk) 19:56, 13 July 2013 (UTC)
 * And a reply you've got. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 21:57, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

Upload imgae
You can forget about helping with the article, that I've asked. I was wondering if you are good at uploading images? Because if you are, I was wondering if you could upload this image for me, then crooped it to have two diffrent images? Please? It will be greatly appreciated! SoapFan12 14:59, 14 July 2013 (UTC)
 * That says All Rights Reserved, meaning we can't use it. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:02, 14 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Okay. So how about this image? SoapFan12 15:06, 14 July 2013 (UTC)
 * That is non-commercial only. We need either CC-BY or CC-BY-SA (or CC-0, but Flickr doesn't offer that). — Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:09, 14 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Okay I understanding. When you time, can you please find an 2013 image of Jacqueline MacInnes Wood that uses CC-BY,CC-BY-SA or CC-0? It will be greatly appreciated! SoapFan12 15:22, 14 July 2013 (UTC)
 * The only one Google shows (here) is CC-BY-ND. The others are all already on Commons. Odd, usually American actors/actresses are so much easier to find images of. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:25, 14 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Okay. I still don't understand why we can't upload this image, when I have seen so many images that users non-commercial for example : this. SoapFan12 15:30, 14 July 2013 (UTC)
 * That one is CC-BY-SA, not CC-BY-ND. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:33, 14 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Okay So how about this image? SoapFan12 15:48, 14 July 2013 (UTC)
 * It's an image on a random website without any explicit declaration; we must assume it is fully copyrighted. Look for an explicit CC-BY-SA or CC-BY declaration. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:50, 14 July 2013 (UTC)
 * What do you mean by explicit? I don't understand, why this image can't be uploaded. 15:53, 14 July 2013 (UTC)SoapFan12
 * I mean it has to say, right on the webpage, that it is CC-BY-SA or CC-BY. I didn't find that anywhere here. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:19, 14 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Understood, I have a new FL nomination up, can you please give me some comments, it links to the following : Featured list candidates/Daytime Emmy Award for Outstanding Lead Actress in a Drama Series/archive1? It will mean so much to me! SoapFan12 23:58, 14 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I'll try later. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:04, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

Master Vile
You deleted this redirect following the AFD on Villains in Mighty Morphin Power Rangers, and it was never restored when the article was undeleted. Would you mind restoring it and any other redirects you may have deleted at the time?— Ryulong ( 琉竜 ) 18:35, 14 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Do you have a list of redirects which were deleted? To the best of my knowledge there is no tool which shows deleted pages which used to link to another page. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:20, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

Autumn Leaf request @ Commons
Hi Crisco, there's something I want to get clear there. Further discussion please on my Commons talk or the delete request page. Thanks. ✉→ Arctic Kangaroo ←✎ 14:59, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Will reply there. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:01, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

PR
No problem, I will get to it later this week. I don't have anything immediately lined up yet, but there are a few possibilities! Sarastro1 (talk) 19:37, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

Hello, good evening, and bollocks!
For more on earthy British idioms, I recommend the legendary Viz as a good starting place..

If the geordie of Biffa Bacon ("Hadaway and shite!") or the rhyming slang of Cockney Wanker ("Cattle a Lady, who's this Sir Anthony") doesn't stump you − then you can progress to virtually impenetrable Glesgae humour like this! -- Hillbillyholiday talk 21:04, 16 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Oh my indeed. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:27, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

DYK queue 2
I was wondering if you could add a lead hook to queue 2. The template updates in 23 minutes. SL93 (talk) 23:38, 16 July 2013 (UTC)
 * And done. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:41, 16 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Great. SL93 (talk) 23:42, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

3RR
Hi Crisco. About the 3RR - I thought it applied to reverting the same edit/ editor 3 times. I see now it is about any 3 reverts. Glad I found out in time - before getting myself in a spot. I do appreciate your gesture. As for civility, none of this would have happened had I been dealing with people genuinely dealing with the value of the information. But no, I was immediately broadsided by people with a long track record of deleting anything negative towards Flickr. That's not healthy for the WP. Two of these people tried their best to derail/ undo/ diminish the section on the controversy and managed to keep out most references to user discontent. I pointed this out in the present discussion, but one of the users in question deleted it twice. I would have thought it would be illegal to remove parts of an on-going debate - especially where it is merely calling on other editors to take into account the historical conduct of that editor on that same page. If I say eggs taste bad and you revert me, fair enough; but if I see that you have the habit of always deleting anything bad about eggs while always defending all that is good about them, then that goes to impartiality and ultimately to credibility. If I tell people to look up the proof and you delete that, it confirms that you don't want others to actually be alerted to your historical involvement with the subject. But surely then, a note should be left to the effect that parts of the discussion have been deleted - I don't know, I try to not get involved too much with policy (perhaps unfortunately). At any rate, I have crossed the cost/ benefit boundary (the time I have spent on Flickr) and if I am not going to be engaging with any serious editors (present company excluded, as you were not part of the whole saga) then there is no point spending another minute on this. But thanks for your contribution. Best regards, Rui &#39;&#39;Gabriel&#39;&#39; Correia (talk) 11:46, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

Indonesia GAs
I've added the poet and cinema articles to me to-do list.. Tibetan Prayer ᧾ 12:33, 17 July 2013 (UTC) Made some additions you might want to check them. The Echols source, the book I got it from was a 2009 reprint, if you have the 1956 book check to see if it is page 14. Hope this is OK. I'll try to find more tomorrow. Not an easy subject, you've done a remarkable job on it so far. Tibetan Prayer ᧾ 19:48, 17 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I've added another couple hundred words to Amir today, hope to get back to it later. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:51, 17 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Very nice. I'm not too sure of the weight of the Sultan blurb (Amir's prose has received much less analysis in general, and seems to have had much less influence) but if we can find more about his short stories then we can definitely have a paragraph. or two. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:04, 17 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes, it does need to be more integrated into the text and might seem a little sporadic, but it would be good if other works has that sort of commentary to balance it out a bit. On the DYK front, I may as well still be credited for the outstanding ones, but at the rate the "crackdown" is going there'll be nothing left to go through! Tibetan Prayer ᧾ 09:53, 18 July 2013 (UTC)
 * 1st point: Yeah, definitely need to look into it. I'm doing "my daily penance", and it's not looking too bad. I want to more or less have the influences section completed today.
 * 2nd point: I may take a look, though I generally don't go to T:TDYK unless I'm going to nominate something. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 10:07, 18 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Tibetan Prayer (gosh, what short form should I use? TP is certainly not the best possibility...), I'm done for tonight on that article if you want to play with it. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 10:51, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

FAC reviewing
I chuckled at your small-print addition to my mock rant at Ian. Good advice, which I shall follow, thank you. And thank you too for your generous offer to fine-tune the tags of all the images I've drawn on for Britten. I find Commons a very mixed blessing. Any inexpert punter like me who draws on it in all innocence is liable to find he's peddling forged currency. Best, Tim riley (talk) 15:31, 17 July 2013 (UTC)
 * No worries, we want this to sail through FAC as smoothly as possible. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:35, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

Thanks!
Hey! I'm traveling right now and will continue resolving your comments for Fashion. Thank You.:)— Prashant 15:36, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

FL
Hi Crisco! Would you please look at Priyanka Chopra filmography as I'm planning to take it to FLC in few days. Some very critical comments are welcome and suggestions for prose tightening on its talk page. Thank you.— Prashant 07:18, 18 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I'll wait until you get to FLC. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 07:21, 18 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Okay.— Prashant 07:46, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

Coins galore
If you get a sec, go to Commons and pull my contributions. I'm uploading some incredible stuff from that coin dealer who gave me permission. It's not everything I need, but it's an awful lot.--Wehwalt (talk) 22:29, 13 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Ooh, sounds interesting. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:41, 14 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Those are beautiful. If you have any you want the background removed from, let me know. There's so much I can't keep up. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 03:27, 14 July 2013 (UTC)
 * They are. He's very skilled at coin photography, which is certainly an art.  Why not remove them as I do the articles?  That should keep the workload easy.  I'm probably going to start with those 1903 to 1905 gold dollars.  But could you remove the background from this? You see how perfectly it bridges my specialty of numismatics, and the 1896 election. I had looked into purchasing one but they cost several hundred dollars each.  Thanks.--Wehwalt (talk) 14:54, 14 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I'll do that when I get back to my laptop, as GIMP is best for making circles of the exact size you want (it allows you to change the selection size, which Photoshop doesn't seem to allow) and this computer doesn't have it installed. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:00, 14 July 2013 (UTC)
 * The first article using the new images is done, here. I think nothing more complicated than it was the first gold US commemorative is needed, if you care to do the honors. There's two medals I'm waiting on, and I'll need you to clip the backgrounds once I get those done, if it's OK.--Wehwalt (talk) 17:23, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

Cake
Holy moly Crisco, that is some cake. Amazing! Was it tasty? Have we discussed spekkoek yet, and will you send me some if I send you some Lacan or whatever? Drmies (talk) 02:30, 18 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Very very sugary. Oh, lapis legit? That stuff is good (but would it hold in the two / three weeks it takes to ship?) BTW, check out the image for LoS. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:35, 18 July 2013 (UTC)
 * You're version is much nicer. --kelapstick(bainuu) 02:54, 18 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks! (Just wish Drmies had provided a bit better lighting ;) ) This image is so precious, Drmies. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 03:00, 18 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Yeah, me too. I hit some autocorrect button (iPhone) but that didn't do much. The light bulb here in the living room is of an amazingly yellow yellowness, I'm afraid, but it's late and I'm old and tired and too lazy to get up and find a better spot. Also, I was playing backgammon with the oldest while I was taking the photo and uploading it, so I can claim I did something parental with 'em today, haha. Little rat beat me too, throwing one double after another. Crisco, it's nice to have kids. Two of them are girls and that fills me with great joy-- and trepidation, just thinking about all the harm that can befall girls in this terrible, terrible world. (Anyone read about what's happening in the Congo?) Brrr. Drmies (talk) 03:06, 18 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Congo... *brain bleach*. Yeah, it's terrifying. We don't have any children yet, though the Mrs. really wants one. I'm worried about our finances though: a doctorate, if I go for it straight after my masters, is a pretty penny and a half. With a child, would we have the money? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 03:09, 18 July 2013 (UTC)
 * It's never a good time, there's never enough money, so you might as well go ahead and make one, or two. Seriously. Don't they have teaching assistantships over there that pay for tuition? Can't you make a living yet simply on blocks alone? Kids are nice, man, especially if they are as smart and beautiful as mine. Oh, I can probably get blocked for saying that. Hey, and there's something else that's totally cool (at least according to my wife): cloth diapers. Those diapers are collectors items and fetch more than the original price, even when shat in. Drmies (talk) 04:25, 18 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I was actually hoping on Oz(tralia), so there should be something like that. As for the cloth diapers.... ugh. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 05:54, 18 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Oh, ok--hadn't considered that. Maybe Laura Hale will let you stay on the couch while you go school shopping. Those cloth diapers, it ain't so bad, and you're saving a LOT of trash. (Look, you're going to have to deal with shit one way or another, and your own child's ain't so bad. It's not like RFAR or something like that.) It's become something of a subculture, which you'll see if you're able to check out the chatboards on the company website. I installed a special sprayer coming from the tank of the toilet bowl for easy cleaning. One more thing, and I say this as an older person: nurse nurse nurse. Best thing you can ever do for your child. US culture is hardly supportive of nursing, and I hope that it's better wherever you'll be at. Drmies (talk) 13:33, 18 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I think it's very supportive here, although the Mrs would know more. I think Laura's in Spain now, actually. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:33, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

Indonesian Navy
Hi Crisco, I just semi-protected this after some edit warring. I was wondering if you could weigh in on the dispute though, is the Indonesian Navy, or as I presume they call it in Indonesia, the Navy, the biggest in Southeast Asia? Mark Arsten (talk) 14:54, 18 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Erm... wow. No sources that I could find online. Off hand I wouldn't know, though it's at least among the largest. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 16:22, 18 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Ok, well, that's what the article says now. People kept changing it to "the largest" without adding sources. Hey, while I'm here, have you heard of Low Taek Jho? I bet he would make an interesting DYK. Mark Arsten (talk) 17:13, 18 July 2013 (UTC)
 * No, I hadn't heard of him. I'll consider it (doing some major lifting at Amir Hamzah with the help of Tibetan Prayer) — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:11, 19 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Interesting. Speaking of Tibet, I just saw a picture of a Sky burial. Morbid stuff, but would make an awesome TFA. Mark Arsten (talk) 02:41, 19 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Very much so. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:44, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

Question/request
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Did_you_know_nominations/25_Luglio

This article is GTG. The reviewer wants it up on July 25. Never had this done before. Hiw can we make the request come out on that date? Proudbolsahye (talk) 15:39, 18 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Create a special section at the bottom of T:TDYK, where it says "special occasion hooks". — Crisco 1492 (talk) 16:18, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

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Talk:Art in Medieval Scotland/GA1
Hi, I advised the author of this not to bunch and replicate books in the notes section and put them underneath. I began converting them to sfn notes and thought he'd be happy to continue but he seems rather upset with beginning to overhaul the references. Sfn isn't compulsory but isn't it ill-advised not to replicate books in the notes and also underneath? Care to comment? Tibetan Prayer ᧾ 19:18, 18 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Erm, I think I see only one which is repeated at the bottom, namely Glenn, Virginia. The others are not used as much, so that must be why they weren't moved to the bottom as well. I don't like that referencing style either, but it's certainly within guidelines. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:06, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

Burying the past
While I'm not unpleased that all your pointing out of my sloppy prose have been excised and now forgotten about....think you removed more here than you meant to. Ceoil (talk) 00:16, 19 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Que? I think (if I remember correctly) that Victoria got it. I'll reinsert it to the FAC though if there are comments you still want to add to. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:19, 19 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I mean you inadvertently deleted a bunch of stuff. My watchlist reads (-4,650)‎ . .Crisco 1492 (talk | contribs) (s, re) Ceoil (talk) 00:47, 19 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Ah. No, it's all on the nomination's talk page per WP:FAC: "... reviewers may transfer lengthy, resolved commentary to the FAC archive talk page, leaving a link in a note on the FAC archive." That's my standard action whenever I review, as I consider a long list of addressed comments (strucken out) to 1) make the FAC page longer than it should be, thus load slower and 2) make the article appear more sloppy than it actually is. Compare Alan McNicoll, Lockheed C-130 Hercules in Australian service, Pirates of the Caribbean: Armada of the Damned, and Drowning Girl. If you'd rather I keep my comments on the FAC archive page, I'll move 'em back. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:53, 19 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Crisco I think in this case it's best to leave it all on the page for a couple of reasons: 1., the request for the translations of the Latin threw up a new and very detailed source that accounts for many of the new edits and subsequent rejigging; and 2., the issue of the frames is important. I never look at the talk page of FACs and though this seems long, it's not for an van Eyck who was an artist who produced hugely complex work. Wait until we bring the Ghent Altarpiece to FAC! That's 20 or more panels compared the three here! Anyway, thanks again for the review. Victoria (talk) 01:11, 19 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Alright, I've reinserted the comments (not quite in the same order, though I hope that isn't an issue) — Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:31, 19 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I appreciate it. I'd been tearing out my hair (well, not quite!) trying to find translations of the inscriptions and had given up, but had intended the article to be structured as it is now and not before it went to FAC. So, in this case it's nice to keep all the comments together – although seemingly a minor comment, it brought the page together in a good way. I'm really pleased with the result and always happy when a review pushes the page into a much improved state than it was before FAC, if that makes any sense. Victoria (talk) 12:32, 19 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Oh, it makes sense. I'm glad to have helped (you two have done a fantastic job!). — Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:49, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

continued slow edit war
So, you (rightly) protected Template:FAC-instructions, and as soon as the protection was removed, PumpkinSky went right back to edit warring. And he's doing the same at Today's featured article/requests/instructions. What's next? Do you warn him? Do I report him to 3RR for slow edit warring? If the goal is to continue to give a bad name to the FA process, it's succeeding. Sandy Georgia (Talk) 01:38, 19 July 2013 (UTC)
 * And let's not forget Imadzi is using rollback for non-vandalism, or did you conveniently forget that sandy. And why have TFAR's instructions been left alone? What about Imadzi's edit war? Did you forget that too? The others were changed with no complaints. Sandy, give it a rest, Raul is gone and there's no reason to pretend he's still here. And you were going to notify me and Imzadi of this? This isn't giving FAC a bad name, just you a bad name. Pumpkin Sky  talk  02:20, 19 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Alright, I'm here all. PSky, could we wait until the RFC closes and consensus is established before changing anything? At the very least to avoid drama such as this. I have already notified Imzadi about the rollback feature, so don't worry about that. Sandy, I hope we can consider this warning enough (though if another edit war does pop up, no matter who the actors, protection may not be far behind). I don't want to have to block anyone here, although I will if I have to. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:29, 19 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Why is it ok to change FAR and FAC instr and not TFAR? Those have been stable for days. Interesting how no one noticed that, but now that I've blatantly pointed out more wiki hypocrisy I expect someone to go cause more drama. At least be consistent and rv all or none. Go ahead Sandy, have at it and show your undying devotion to the long departed Raul ever more. Pumpkin Sky  talk  02:33, 19 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Against consensus my ass. The one thing everything agrees on is that Raul is gone, well, except Sandy. Wiki can continue to deny reality. IDGAF anymore. Pumpkin Sky  talk  02:34, 19 July 2013 (UTC)
 * PSky, I agree that most people recognise Raul is likely gone (though I wouldn't say he'll always stay gone), but to avoid drama I really would like to see the process followed thoroughly. Unilateral changes are just going to lead to more drama, as it implies that anyone can change the instructions without repercussions. As for your bad blood with Sandy... can we please not have it manifest on this talk page? I really don't think there's any way that can end well. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:40, 19 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Thanks, Crisco! I'm sorry to see the invective continued here; it seems unavoidable.  Out of curiosity, can you tell me how one knows based on edit summaries when rollback was employed?  I find nothing in Imzadi's edit summaries that gives me a clue, and would be interested in learning.  Best, Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 10:52, 19 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Ah ha! I see all your tests-- thanks so much!  So, I guess rollback is linking to our article on reverting ... which doesn't make it clear at all when rollback is used.  Thanks for the samples.  Best, Sandy Georgia  (Talk) 11:11, 19 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Links for me: Undo, normal rollback, rollback (AGF) with Twinkle, and rollback (Vandalism) with Twinkle (note the only difference between Vandalism rollback with Twinkle and normal rollback is the (TW) after it). Yeah, I think that the link should definitely be clearer. Also, apparently, we only get notices when we are reverted (normal rollbacked) and not undone (see: Wikipedia talk:Notifications). — Crisco 1492 (talk) 11:15, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

Question
I am about ready to lose my composure. BlueMoonset said that a promoter, on the DYK talk page, needs to complete a second review. Did you know/Guide says no such thing. SL93 (talk) 12:50, 19 July 2013 (UTC) Nor did I say that it was your response. The problem here is that editors should know to not assume things. SL93 (talk) 14:16, 19 July 2013 (UTC)
 * What article? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:23, 19 July 2013 (UTC)
 * It isn't in relation to an article, but in general. SL93 (talk) 13:24, 19 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Ah, missed that (been busy expanding something). He did not say that promoters need to complete a second review (in the formal sense used at DYK), but that you should do a quick double check to make sure it does meet the criteria. For some reason I'm not finding it in any of our subpages (the multitude of them!) but it has been an (apparently unwritten) rule for quite a while. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:48, 19 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Alright, but such a rule should probably be written if that is the consensus. I'm confused because he did not use the word quick. My example to him on his talk page was Blofeld's nominations which promoters would rightfully be scared to touch. SL93 (talk) 13:59, 19 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I note, however, that you did not say it was your example. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:12, 19 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Perhaps, but without a clear change in the subject of the sentence someone skimming might see "His response was ... promoters would rightfully not want to review nominations by Blofeld.", particularly as the sentence "promoters should not be expected to do a deep review" was implicit here. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:19, 19 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I partly disagree, but partly agreeing is enough. SL93 (talk) 14:22, 19 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Hmm me thinks somebody has taken a disliking to me.. I guess a criticism of short GA review and a blowup over DYK is enough to make somebody loathe a person, I don't blame you SL, but if you got to know me I don't bite and generally don't repel fellow editors! Tibetan Prayer ᧾ 17:13, 19 July 2013 (UTC)
 * This has nothing to do with you. SL93 (talk) 17:16, 19 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I don't even know you are and haven't seen your edits until today. SL93 (talk) 17:17, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

Oh, you're Blofeld. Sorry. This discussion isn't that much about you, but I would be lying if I said that I would want to review your articles with everyone else breathing down my back. SL93 (talk) 17:49, 19 July 2013 (UTC) Hmmm...not much commitment to leaving DYK back then. SL93 (talk) 04:48, 20 July 2013 (UTC)
 * . Erm, yeah. He's Blofeld. Blofeld's page redirects to Tibetan Prayer now, after all. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:58, 20 July 2013 (UTC)
 * So I am expected to check Blofeld's user page after he left DYK? SL93 (talk) 04:40, 20 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I didn't say that, no, though I would have hoped for a little bit of checking on who Tibetan Prayer is (the link to Dr. Blofeld is right on his user page; "Just an ex-evil villain turned abbot of a monastery in the Shigatse Prefecture of Tibet:"). The alternate account Tibetan Prayer hasn't been a secret for ages... I've known about it since Dr. Blofeld last left DYK circa August 2011. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 04:46, 20 July 2013 (UTC)
 * He stayed off for a good couple of months, actually, so better commitment than I could probably manage in his position. The only reason I haven't nominated any DYKs in two weeks is because I've been expanding existing articles in preparation for FA (Amir Hamzah and Boenga Roos dari Tjikembang, the latter of which is essentially ready)... if I weren't intent on getting those ready I'd have (at the very least) written articles for Asmara Moerni and Allah jang Palsoe. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 04:52, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

Can you take a look, please
When you have some time, would you mind taking a preliminary look at User:Ohconfucius/NAIT‎, with a view to submission for FAC or GAC very shortly? Thanks, --  Ohc  ¡digame!¿que pasa? 13:11, 19 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Couple of very quick comments: the paragraphs seem quite short overall, some statements should have a reference ("There is no NAIT 4.", for instance), the lede is quite short, and you should not bold different version names in the article text. I'm not familiar enough with the subject area to comment on comprehensiveness, though a couple quotes from reviews would be nice. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:51, 19 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I'll work on those points you raised. The bolding was admittedly a bit of a toss-up. I initially wanted to create separate sections for each product but decided against it in favour of bolding. I'll see how to tweak that. --  Ohc  ¡digame!¿que pasa? 01:36, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/Brattata, Jet Pilot, and Okay Hot-Shot
I need someone to take a look at Template:Did you know nominations/Brattata, Jet Pilot, and Okay Hot-Shot.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 03:46, 20 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I'll take a look later today, want to do some translating first. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 03:53, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

If those lips could only speak
Failure, I'm sorry to report. The British Library has a copy of the song, but unsurprisingly it doesn't have "ripped-off from a French song" as part of its bibliographical information. I found a mildly promising reference to its inclusion in Ian Whitcombe's Mel Bay presents The Titanic Songbook (1997), but the British Library hasn't got a copy of that. Tim riley (talk) 17:55, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

Resolved comments
I have fix the changes that needed to corrected now, I was wondering if you are now able to resolved you're comments or is there more? SoapFan12 18:43, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

Hey
Hey Crisco, I am very thankful of you're comments, it means a lot that you take youre time to review this article. The reason, I am doing terrible in my prose is that my first language wasn't English, so I am still learning how to properly speak and write. Therefore, I am very sorry for my doings. Furthermore, I was wondering if you know anyone who would be interested on reviewing my article ASAP? If you do can you please contact them for me? It will be so much help! SoapFan12 00:25, 21 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Per WP:CANVASSING, you shouldn't ask people who have not previously looked at the article to do reviews, particularly a large number of them. I think that you may get further reviews if you try reviewing some yourself — Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:07, 21 July 2013 (UTC)

Culmen
Pak, sy baru tahu kalau lore dlm istilah ilmu burung, itu diartikan sebagai kekang (bulu2 di sekitar yang mengitari mata burung dan memanjang k arah di atas paruh), tarsus adalah tungkai, nah klo culmen itu diartikan sebagai apa, pak? -- Akbar ini dari Kalbar 06:11, 17 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Bagian atas paruh. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 07:41, 17 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Kak, barusan sy menyelesaikan artikel id:Uray Faisal Hamid. Kalau kakak mau berbaik hati sedikit, bisa tdk om terjemahkan artikel itu? Soalnya, sy melihat bahwa d en.wp ini, artikel pengacara, politisi barat, dll sajalah yg sering dijadikan artikelnya. Namun, acapkali tokoh2 timur seumpama artikel yg sy buat ini, kurang dikenal oleh orang barat. Jadi, disebabkan hanya Om seorang yg beta kenal, jadi sy minta tuan terjemah artikel id:Uray Faisal Hamid.

Salam dari warga Pontianak. Kemudian, baru tahu sy klo ada film yg menyebut kata Singkawang d artikel anda. -- Akbar ini dari Kalbar 22:47, 20 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Hmm... kalau sempat (maaf, baru dibaca sekarang) — Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:46, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

Articles for deletion/Startup ecosystem
I'm curious as to why you did this, as it had just been relisted two days ago. postdlf (talk) 02:25, 21 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Because it was listed here; it seems that Theopolisme neglected (accidentally, most likely) to remove it from the 12 13 July log. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:27, 21 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Now I'm just confused. I didn't open 19 July, yet 12 July is not showing Startup ecosystem in its history. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:34, 21 July 2013 (UTC)
 * It's in the July 13 log. I see you reverted your removal of it from July 19, so I'll just comment it out from July 13 and remove your second relist notice, and all is well, ok? postdlf (talk) 02:40, 21 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Yeah, thanks for looking into that. Anyways, yeah, I've reverted my relisting. I see you already hid it. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:42, 21 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Were you using the AFD closing script when you tried to relist it? It can have some odd bugs sometimes. postdlf (talk) 02:44, 21 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I did, though I think the issue would have been if Theo (the initial relister) was using it (since it was only relisted again because it was on the page for the 13th). With that script, if you move too fast relisting then you end up edit conflicting yourself. It's happened to me before. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:46, 21 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Same issue with Articles for deletion/Yobo Gameware Co. which I reverted as there was a delete comment right before you closed it, AFD been very buggy with the bot down and such. Secret account 04:30, 21 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Hmm... was Theo edit conflicting or? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 05:03, 21 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I must have edit conflicted myself; generally I open a tab for each discussion that I'm planning on relisting and then just go through one by one, waiting for the "Done" before relisting the next&mdash;perhaps my new kitten disrupted the flow ;)  Theopolisme ( talk )  14:38, 21 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes, kitties can do that. Alright, thanks for the clarification. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:43, 21 July 2013 (UTC)

DYK
Hi Crisco 1492, I have seen you around a bit at DYK, and wondered if, as I have 4 DKY credits, you would be able to explain how QPQ, and reviewing nominations in general works? Thanks, Mat  ty. 007 17:29, 21 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Well, it's quite straightforward: for every nomination you make, you have to review another. That means the whole thing--checking the hook, verifying sources, checking for plagiarism, checking proper expansion etc, making copyedits to the article and suggestions for improvement. I saw define it as the whole enchilada including the check mark (you know, the set of symbols of which Symbol confirmed.svg is one). Drmies (talk) 20:03, 21 July 2013 (UTC)
 * More or less, yes. There are some tools available to help you. For instance, DYKcheck helps you to count the number of characters and check the date and expansion. If the sources are offline or not in English, you can just assume good faith on plagiarism and sourcing. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:14, 21 July 2013 (UTC)
 * OK, thanks for the help both of you. Mat  ty  .  007  07:29, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

IndonesiaCanadaPedia
The Gimli Glider and Megawati Sukarnoputri coming up on the Main Page on the same day. It's a start! Awien (talk) 01:05, 22 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Megawati? Where? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:45, 22 July 2013 (UTC)
 * SA, July 23. Awien (talk) 09:36, 22 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Ooh, very interesting. So long as we don't get someone complaining about too much Indonesia! (That's what, three this week?) — Crisco 1492 (talk) 10:48, 22 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Let's hope not! Awien (talk) 11:09, 22 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Fingers crossed! — Crisco 1492 (talk) 11:11, 22 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Toes and eyes too: I just noticed we have a whole list of the Justices of the Supreme Court of Canada, along with a picture of Beverley McLachlin . . . Awien (talk) 11:30, 22 July 2013 (UTC)
 * ooh my. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 11:38, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/P Sathasivam
Crisco, I was wondering if you could take a look at this and decide whether the nomination can continue or not. Two articles were started a couple of days apart about a man who was about to become an India Supreme Court justice, and the second was nominated the day it was created. (The second creator attempted to have the earlier yet less robust article merged into the newer one, but was rebuffed. Then the contents of the two were combined by a copy of text from the newer into the older, and the older changed to a redirect. (The histories were not merged.)

I've explained what I've been able to find out there: Gfosankar's June 29 article had 605 prose characters prior to Uncletomwood's (the nominator) July 1 article being turned into a redirect and text from it being copied on July 2 into Gfosankar's, making the new total prose 1472 characters. So, is the nomination dead because the nominated article didn't survive, or does the nomination embrace the new combined article and proceed forward, only with some additional DYKmake templates? Please register your opinion/ruling on the template. Many thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 07:04, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

Overlinking/Underlinking
Hey there, I was wondering if you can you're imput for my FLC about Overlinking/Underlinking (a reviewer needs other people to give their opinion on). SoapFan12 Talk page here    22:51, 21 July 2013 (UTC)
 * If I remove the overlinking for the article, IMO it would lack of visual appeal. Plus, it is extra work, for no reason. Plus, a support and oppose should be based on the featured list criteria not based on this. SoapFan12 Talk page here Face-smile.svg   23:53, 21 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Perhaps, but OVER/UNDER are part of the MOS, which is a consideration. Sortable tables such as this allow more linking. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:58, 21 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I have added class="unsortable", does it allow more linking now? If not, can you please tell me exactly what to add to make it possible. SoapFan12 Talk page here Face-smile.svg   00:14, 22 July 2013 (UTC)
 * e does the exact same thing as you had already. Take a look at the header of sortable tables, that should help. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:43, 22 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I have added, the sortable but when I do a show preview, the first set of nominees goes under the year. Do it yourself, you will see what I mean. I have added, class = sortable, is that okay now? SoapFan12 Talk page here Face-smile.svg   10:01, 22 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Likely because of having row-spans. You have to remove those and add the year for every instance to get true sortability. (Once again, consult the link I included above) — Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:59, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

TFA
There's just no stopping you, is there. Congrats! Drmies (talk) 21:08, 22 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Ha, I didn't even realize that was you--but I should have assumed it the moment I saw the word "Indonesian". Well done! -- Khazar2 (talk) 21:45, 22 July 2013 (UTC)
 * LoL, thanks both. Yeah, Soegijapranata was written after the biopic came out (sources were plentiful, so I figured...). Luckily for me a lot of the important events in his life happened here in Jogja. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 22:18, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/Hamburg Steak
Crisco, I was wondering whether you wanted to revisit this one again. It doesn't seem like all that much has happened in the two weeks since your last comment. Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 00:27, 23 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Replied there. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:53, 23 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 13:57, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

DYK hook request
At Template:Did you know nominations/25 Luglio, the editor had requested for a 25th July promotion. he had noted it so at Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know also and i then shifted the hook in special area yesterday. I see that its not going to displayed on 25th according to the current schedule. It is now in Prep 3 when it should be in Queue 6 or 1. Can you please do the needful? §§ Dharmadhyaksha §§ {T/C} 10:33, 23 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Sorry! I might be wrong. I don't know how prep areas move to queues. Maybe Prep 3 will be Queue 1. §§ Dharmadhyaksha §§ {T/C} 10:35, 23 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Prep 3 will be Queue 1 if people follow the rules as they are written. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 10:38, 23 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Crisco, we've got a bit of an issue with this hook now. I moved it to Prep 1 when we changed the frequency to three sets a day, but now a lead hook has been added immediately before it which is also a World War II hook. One of these should be moved, but as a participant in the Castle Itter hook creation, I shouldn't be the one to do so. There are arguments for keeping both in Prep 1, since moving backward to Prep 4 loses the American audience: Prep 4 will run from 0700 to 1500 Europe time (overnight in the Americas), and Prep 1 from 1500 to 2300 Europe time (American daytime). I think either the two lead hooks or the two second hooks should be swapped to separate the WWII hooks; if you agree, I hope you'll do one of these swaps accordingly, deciding which has to forego the bulk of the American audience. Many thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 13:32, 24 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Adding: either or both of these could be promoted at any time, since the queues are empty and these are the only two the second and third of the three filled preps. Fortunately, you're an admin, and can swap whether in prep or queue (and could swap and promote, since we need a promoter...). Thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 13:34, 24 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Have moved the original image hook to prep 2, so prep 1 needs a new hook. Will promote a set. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:40, 24 July 2013 (UTC)
 * That's great! Thank you. I'll look for a new lead hook for Prep 1. BlueMoonset (talk) 13:55, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

2009 Missouri Valley Conference Men's Soccer Tournament
A rugby fan from New Zealand decided to tag an article that was one in a series of 23 articles on an annual U.S. collegiate soccer tournament as not notable.

An Englishman agreed.

3 Americans disagreed with the 2 non-Americans.

So, you went ahead and deleted 2009 Missouri Valley Conference Men's Soccer Tournament.

What was the point of the discussion? GWFrog (talk) 14:49, 24 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Should have just finished that thought with "a Canadian closed it" and your fallacy would have been complete. Now. What. In. The. World. Does. Nationality. Have. To. Do. With. Anything?
 * Please check the discussion: the only explicit proponent, as understood at WP:AFD, for keeping was an editor who gave a simple "Keep" !vote (which is not based in policy, and is essentially discounted). There were three editors who gave explicit reasons for deletion, in line with policy (essentially that there were no independent sources found), an editor who asked a simple question, and one editor who gave reasons for keeping that were not supported by policy or guidelines (sources did exist, but not independent as required by WP:GNG). — Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:00, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

A cup of coffee for you!

 * Thank you very much, Drmies. (Crosses fingers for a quick master's thesis...) — Crisco 1492 (talk) 16:08, 24 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Who celebrates with coffee? Oh wait, Drmies is old. Have a beer and enjoy the moment. :-) Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 04:33, 25 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Someone on a budget? Because they're saving to have spending money in HK? ;) — Crisco 1492 (talk) 05:33, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

DYK
I was wondering if you had any ideas on how to handle Template:Did you know nominations/Mary Magdalene (1914 film). I brought up the issues at Wikipedia talk:Did you know. I am trying to assume good faith on the part of the creator, like I did when I nominated the article for DYK, but the article will likely still be too unstable for DYK. SL93 (talk) 22:58, 24 July 2013 (UTC)
 * If you are concerned with the verifiability and stability of an article, you can withdraw. I've done that before, when I tried to expaned Razor a couple years back. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:02, 24 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Oh, I thought that the nominator couldn't withdraw. I wouldn't have asked for opinions on the DYK page if I knew that. SL93 (talk) 23:03, 24 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Yeah, we've pretty much always got the choice to withdraw (at any of the featured processes, or at DYK, or at GA) — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:08, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

Clink!

 * Thanks Rosie! Cheers! — Crisco 1492 (talk) 05:49, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

Amir
Looks good! When do you plan on GA nomming? Tibetan Prayer ᧾ 10:00, 25 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Not just yet. At the very least I want to flesh out that bit about Islamic influences (the Johns article would be good for that, "Amir Hamzah: Malay prince, Indonesian poet". In Bastin, J., and Roolvink, R. Malayan and Indonesian studies. Oxford: Clarendon Press, p. 303 - 319.)). — Crisco 1492 (talk) 10:03, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

PR
I'll take a look later today, hopefully. And don't worry, I've a few things to review waiting in the pipeline, but real life is a touch hectic at the moment! Sarastro1 (talk) 12:24, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

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Video question
You seem to know an awful lot more about this than I do, so...

I've been downloading higher-quality Winsor McCay videos posted by changebeforegoing at YouTube. I've been transcoding them to Theora files and replacing the files that were already there (I've done all but the three Rarebit Fiend videos). While uploading, I was reading Help:Converting videos at Commons, and it recommends WebM over Theora. Given the .ogv files are already uploaded, would it be a good idea also to upload WebM versions? Of course, I don't mean transcoding them from the Theora files, but from the .mp4 and .flv files I downloaded from YouTube. Thanks, Curly Turkey (gobble) 03:54, 26 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm not too versed in the technical aspects of videos, but perhaps overwriting would work better? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 07:42, 26 July 2013 (UTC)
 * They would have different file extensions, so they would be separate files. Is there someone you could direct me to ask who knows a lot about this stuff?  Curly Turkey (gobble) 14:03, 26 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm not too sure, actually. I seem to recall someone commenting at the Gertie talk page, but I can't find him/her. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:07, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

Your opinion?
There's a tussle on the talk page here,.

Could you take a look and either do nothing or take action as you judge, please? I'm unsure. Tony  (talk)  13:26, 26 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Facepalm, alright. Watchlisted (Kiefer doesn't seem to be reinserting his comments anymore, though he is pointing to them and the edit summaries leave little to the imagination). — Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:30, 26 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks. It's all very unhelpful ... the talk-page posts, the arbcom case. ... not to mention the fact that in the US it's quite illegal (hostile work environment); and the long-standing practice of not citing IRC posts without the permission of the writer. Tony   (talk)  13:45, 26 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Agree (though, would this constitute a work environment? if so, half of what goes on at ANI is illegal) — Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:54, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Allah jang Palsoe
The DYK project (nominate) 22:17, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

Spelling
I know you said that you are interested in soap-related articles, but if you have time this weekend or week to only help me with the lead of Daytime Emmy Award for Outstanding Supporting Actor in a Drama Series (correct grammar and add more info). It would mean the world to me. Also, for a guy, is it men or man? — SoapFan12 Talk   01:38, 27 July 2013 (UTC)
 * For more than one, it's men. For just one guy, it's man. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 03:17, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

Lao Ai
What do you think of this article? It was tagged for deletion, which is how I came to it. I redirected it to Lü Buwei. That didn't last; the creator undid my redirect. I don't want to get into an extended discussion about it, particularly because my knowledge of these sorts of topics borders on nil and because I don't know anything about the reliability of the two cited books. My instinct is that the article is a piece of crap, but I'm not sure I would be in a majority on that view as we have so many editors who believe that this sort of historical data is notable. Thanks.--Bbb23 (talk) 14:18, 27 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I can see an argument for redirecting (the individual was entirely notable for his relation to Lu and Lu's wife). I will watchlist the page (note, however, that mainland China is nowhere near my specialty either). — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:35, 27 July 2013 (UTC)
 * It's nearer your specialty than mine. :-) Thanks.--Bbb23 (talk) 14:52, 27 July 2013 (UTC)
 * True, true. You're welcome. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:07, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Asmara Moerni
Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 23:03, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

Patrice Rushen
Strange, I searched for the jazz keyboardist and it came up as a blacklist yet somehow there is also an article on it when you search for it in the box. Can you sort it out?♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld  11:02, 28 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Patrice Rushen? You've got stripslashes showing up: %EF%BB%BF%EF%BB%BF. No idea why though. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 11:09, 28 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Also Byte order mark. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 11:14, 28 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Rather strange! I'll make a start on Cinema of Indonesia this coming week.♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld  11:26, 28 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Alright. I've probably got enough in existing articles to do the colonial period tonight with just (properly) copying what's already been written on Wikipedia. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 11:32, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

"That doesn't mean you have to argue back."
The issue with Blofeld appears to be resolved, but I'm confused about your statement. I don't see why I shouldn't argue because no one will do that part for me. In a big argument, I can either argue, ignore it and have others get the wrong idea about my beliefs, or take it to somewhere like ANI which usually causes the argument to escalate. SL93 (talk) 13:09, 28 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm not saying Blofeld is a troll (he's not), but I think "do not feed" would be a good view to take: do not feed the drama. (Although compared to taking it to ANI, yes, I agree with your position) — Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:31, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

Peer review
Hi! Crisco, would you please take a look at peer review. I would like to take it to FLC again. You had told you'll take part in the flc but, it was withdrawed. Please, participate in this and I would love to resolve your comments. Peer review/Priyanka Chopra filmography/archive1. Thanks.— Prashant 18:27, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

Articles deletion
Dear Crisco 1492,

I apologize for the inconvenience, but have no other way than appealing for administrators’ help recover a deleted article.

I published a film article entitled Drits (Derivas), a film by Portuguese director Ricardo Costa. It is the second film from an autobiographic trilogy, Faraways. The article was kept untouched by several months. To my surprise, it was recently eliminated and redirected to the director’s page with no discussion. I undid the redirection, but saw the article was proposed to deletion. Reason: independent, verifiable, secondary resources. I argued that the article couldn’t have but primary sources (the producer’s ones) as it is an upcoming film, like many others listed at upcoming films. A film that has not yet been premiered or distributed may not be commented. Besides, none of the films so listed has ever been deleted or even contested.

At last, in discussion, user User:reddogsix proposed that the article should be renamed to Drifts (film) or similar, and at the same time put at the disambiguation page of Dritf this reference «Drifs, unreleased film by Ricardo Costa (filmmaker). I created a new page for the same article entitled Drifts (Portuguese film). As the semantic root “drift” seemed to be the problem, I replaced the article name to Derivas (Drifts) and published it once more with some improvements. As a result, the article was fast deleted and I blocked for three days.

In the meantime, a new article about the trilogy was published: Faraways, which was proposed to fast deletion as well by the same user, User:reddogsix.

Although unreleased, although having no reliable secondary sources, Drifts is unquestionably an outstanding film for its uniqueness and characteristics: autobiography, comedy, docufiction, metafiction in one. I guess that “outstanding” may be a synonym for “notable” in such cases and that articles like this shouldn’t be deleted without previous cared analyses: important information may be lost.

This sequence of interventions is clearly a personal attack by User:reddogsix, supported by two or three user friend. It has no other explanation. It contributes in nothing to improve articles quality. Mists article, which I created on 10 September 2010, is the latest example. The article structure was unreasonably modified, loosing clarity and useful content.

NOTE: sent to 30 administrators.

Thanks for your attention,

User:Tertulius 21:12, 28 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi there Tertulius, the important thing for any article is that its notability is shown from the get-go, something which can only be done with independent secondary sources (see WP:GNG). Now, rather than lose the information already in the article, I could userfy the article for you, so you can work on it undisturbed without it actually being in article space. Thoughts? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:10, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

Boeing C-17 Globemaster III in Australian service FAC
Hi, You might be totally sick of looking at FACs on Australian military aircraft ...but in case not, I'd appreciate it if you could post a review at Featured article candidates/Boeing C-17 Globemaster III in Australian service/archive1. Please do feel free to tell me that the article isn't up to scratch if that's your view after reading it. Regards, Nick-D (talk) 10:10, 29 July 2013 (UTC)
 * LOL. I'll try and drop by either tonight or tomorrow, but I doubt anything you or Ian have written could get me to an out-and-out oppose. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 10:11, 29 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Nick-D (talk) 10:17, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * Thanks a lot! — Crisco 1492 (talk) 10:33, 29 July 2013 (UTC)
 * No problem. Before I do so, do you think I could get away with putting this on the Carry On list as a lede image? File:Carry On logo illustration.jpg? --   Cassianto Talk   10:43, 29 July 2013 (UTC)
 * As fair use... I think so. Definitely not as free. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 10:46, 29 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes I intended it to be fair use and have already composed the rationale for it. The article was crying out for an image and i think this was perhaps the most appropriate.  Thanks for that! --   Cassianto Talk   10:48, 29 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Don't mention it. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 10:55, 29 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Congrats! -- Khazar2 (talk) 11:52, 29 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 11:58, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

Photo consensus discussion at Talk:Rick Remender
Hi. Can you offer your opinion regarding the Infobox photo discussion here? Thanks. Nightscream (talk) 19:26, 28 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Done. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:10, 28 July 2013 (UTC)


 * Hi, again. Sorry to bother you, but another photo (more like a new set of photos) has been found and uploaded, and added to the choices in the discussion. A new issue is which photo those who participated before that photo was added would have favored had they seen it, so I'm requesting that all those who did so view the photo and indicate whether or not their favored photo has changed. Thanks, I really appreciate. Nightscream (talk) 02:14, 30 July 2013 (UTC)

Impact of GAs in DYK slot?
I'm relatively sanguine about the likely impact of GAs in the DYK slot, though I've opposed the idea as badly thought-out. The fundamental constraint, it seems to me, will be the willingness of people to invest the time in doing thorough reviews of GA content. Because GAs are usually far longer than DYKs, that will put a heavier burden on the reviewer and is likely to take longer. I certainly don't intend to do such reviews myself. I suspect that we will end up with a long backlog of unreviewed GA nominations and the whole exercise will be abandoned as a failure after six months, just like TAFI. Prioryman (talk) 13:21, 29 July 2013 (UTC)
 * We're to look at recently promoted GAs, not do the GA reviews ourselves. The way I read it, we do our standard DYK reviews except we do not look for 5X expansion or creation in 5 days, but promotion. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:30, 29 July 2013 (UTC)
 * That's right, but that is functionally equivalent to a substantial chunk of the GA review process in itself: check for neutrality, sourcing and compliance with copyright policies. 5X expansion or >5 days creation are trivial things to check for (and I have my own DYK script to do that for me) but the rest takes time, and with articles as long and heavily sourced as most GAs, that will take significant time to do properly. It's effectively a second GA review - another reason why this is a badly thought-out idea. Prioryman (talk) 17:55, 29 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Erm, the most time consuming part of a GA review is the prose review (in my experience) which is not part of the DYK criteria. Neither do we have to check images in the article (#6), although doing so would always be a good idea. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 22:21, 29 July 2013 (UTC)
 * It seems to me that noms coming from GA will still require longer reviews than the DYK average because the articles themselves are longer than average: there's a long way between the normal Start-class new article or C-class expansion and a GA in terms of length, number of source citations, etc. Since we can't assume that the GA reviewer got it right, we'll have a complete read-through (longer), spot-check of more sources for accuracy and for close paraphrasing, etc. I'm half expecting a GAR or two in the first month, when major problems are turned up in a DYK review of a GA. (Is the 1500 character minimum still enforced, even for GAs, or would they get a pass on that?) BlueMoonset (talk) 23:58, 29 July 2013 (UTC)
 * They would still have to be >1500 characters per rule 2A, at least as current written - I suggested adding 1G (or 1D, or whatever) which says "newly promoted GAs are also acceptable", to which all the other rules would still apply.-- Gilderien Chat&#124;Contributions 00:07, 30 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I have reviewed articles of substantial length for DYK, including articles that were currently nominated for Good Article status, although the reviews weren't started yet. I see a problem with reviewers wanting to tackle reviewing a long and detailed article, which is why I think that those articles will stay on the nomination page longer. I don't get to reviewing long articles as quickly as possible, a good chunk of time would need to have passed without any comments and I would need to be interested in the topic. SL93 (talk) 00:58, 30 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Everyone, I don't think this is the correct forum. I think, for GAs, if there was a good review, a DYK review shouldn't be much of an issue. If there was a bad review, better for it to be caught early than later. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:42, 30 July 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Dale D. Myers
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DYK
Did I review your DYK correctly at Template:Did you know nominations/Bajar dengan Djiwa? It is my first review, and I want to get it right. Hope it is OK, thanks, Mat  ty. 007 17:57, 29 July 2013 (UTC)
 * That's a perfectly acceptable review, although if I were to include an image you'd have to check to copyright of that as well. You could also note that the hook length is short enough and that the article is neutral, though I doubt most people would ding you for not making that explicit unless the article was about Gibraltar. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 22:24, 29 July 2013 (UTC)
 * OK, thanks. Mat  ty  .  007  07:13, 30 July 2013 (UTC)

Template:POTD/2013-07-29
Thanks. J Kadavoor J e e 06:53, 30 July 2013 (UTC)
 * For having it on the main page? You have noone to thank but you and your photography skills. Way to go! — Crisco 1492 (talk) 06:55, 30 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks again, for your hearty appreciation. J Kadavoor J e e 17:29, 30 July 2013 (UTC)

A warship!!

 * Indeed, beautiful picture! (It's my desktop background now) — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:17, 30 July 2013 (UTC)

Article-move needs an admin
Hi Crisco. I was wondering if you would entertain another COI request here to move an article where the company has changed names. Like before, this one may require an admin since there is a redirect at the target page for the rename. CorporateM (Talk) 19:18, 30 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Have replied there and am watchlisting the page as I asked for some more input. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:22, 30 July 2013 (UTC)

Undeletion
I recently stumbled upon User:Jack Merridew/Editnotice, which struck me as blatantly inappropriate. You had undeleted that page in 2012. Would you mind deleting it again? The user (and his more recent incarnation) are indef-blocked socks. Huon (talk) 20:34, 30 July 2013 (UTC)
 * It's full of double entendre, yes, but I don't see it as blatantly inappropriate enough to warrant a vandalism CSD tag. In fact, I don't see any CSD tags which would allow an out of process deletion here (not to say it shouldn't be deleted, but we should follow process in this case). — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:30, 30 July 2013 (UTC)

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Hi! Crisco, would you please take a look at peer review. I would like hear your comments on the article. You had told you'll take part in the flc but, it was withdrawed. Please, participate in this and I need your constructyive comments. Peer review/Priyanka Chopra filmography/archive1. Thanks.— Prashant 07:52, 31 July 2013 (UTC)
 * You're repeating what happened at the FAC. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 07:56, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

Good Article
I am trying to get The Haunting Hour: Don't Think About It to Good Article status, but the problem is that I don't know what to include in an article about a straight to DVD film. I was wondering if you had any suggestions. SL93 (talk) 18:28, 31 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I think the only difference would be in the "release" section. Instead of talking about box office sales, you'd say it went straight to DVD and try to find a source which supports sales figures. Otherwise it would be the same. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:40, 31 July 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks. SL93 (talk) 23:52, 31 July 2013 (UTC)

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FAN Request
Hello! Since you have been very helpful with The X-Files project, I was wondering if you could drop by Featured article candidates/X-Cops (The X-Files)/archive1 and cast a vote/provide suggestions. Thanks!-- Gen. Quon   (Talk)   17:39, 1 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I'll see if I can do something before Hong Kong. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 22:29, 1 August 2013 (UTC)
 * That would be awesome. Hardly anyone is offering any sort of criticism, and I don't want it to die.-- Gen. Quon   (Talk)   23:49, 1 August 2013 (UTC)

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DYK for Bajar dengan Djiwa
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Reply
Well! If you can see, he was the one who started edit war. Also, his post always tagets me. He has always ineruppted in the discussion taunting me. He always talks irrelevant to the topic. I was begging to stop it butr, he didnt. When Theopolisme came to warn him, then he listened. He was constantly haerassing me. Also, I have lot of work to do - An open PR, A GAC and some articles to work on and I dont have time for all this. Thanks for your gesture. Also, there is no comments on the PR, i thimk i should close it.— Prashant 17:23, 2 August 2013 (UTC)
 * It was just a heads up, to avoid you ending up with another block like last time. That being said, DENYing feedback may work best. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:53, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

Reply (re POTD)
You're welcome. --50.100.184.151 (talk) 23:04, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

Perkebunan rakyat
Om, ini aku barusan buat artikel perkebunan rakyat. Nah, klo d en.wp ini, ada nggak artikelnya yg membahas perkebunan rakyat. Lalu, di en.wp ini, foto ttg perkebunan rakyat selain en:File:COLLECTIE TROPENMUSEUM Vanille-aanplant tegen lamtoro met indigofera als groenbemester op een onderneming op 1400 meter hoogte bij Semarang Java TMnr 10012303.jpg ada gx? Klo ada, mau sy ambil gambar dan interwikinya.

Salam. -- Akbar ini dari Kalbar 14:41, 2 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Menarik. Sejauh ini sepertinya tidak ada... saya juga kurang tahu soal foto. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:51, 2 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Yah... beta sial lagi. Kenapa setiap beta hendak cari interwiki dari setiap halaman yg sy buat, pastilah tadá' adě (tdk ada). Sebagai contoh, Burung kontes, dan terakhir artikel yg sy sĕbòt (sebut) di atas. Kaka pernah gx ketemu permasalahan seperti sy ini? Kadang-kadang, sayĕ (saya) kesal dapat persoalan macam 'nì. -- Akbar ini dari Kalbar 15:13, 2 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Kadang memang kebudayaan seperti itu tidak terkenal di luar daerah tertentu. Kalau saya, itu sudah sering (biasanya ada yang menerjemahkan setelah saya menulis artikel dalam bahasa Inggris) dan saya merasa tidak perlu ambil pusing.15:21, 2 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Klo d Kanada, perkebunan rakyat masih ada gx kak? -- Akbar ini dari Kalbar 04:35, 3 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Perkebunan milik perusahaan ataupun individu, adanya. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 04:42, 3 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Ada lagi... baru-baru ini, sy sudah buat gambar File:Rotan irit.jpg. Utk lisensinya, sy ambil dari archive.org Sy kurang retì ngan (mengerti dengan) lisensinya. Apakah itu tandanya, boleh sy ambil gambarnya? -- Akbar ini dari Kalbar 05:31, 3 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Saudara lupa menggunakan templat Hak Cipta. Sudah saya perbaiki. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 05:33, 3 August 2013 (UTC)
 * O... gitu tho. Dah itu, kamé' berucap trimě kaséh atas bantuannyě (Terima kasih atas bantuannya), Om. Lain kali, klo ada gambar lain dari India sy minta bantuan kakak lagi. Wassalam. -- Akbar ini dari Kalbar 05:39, 3 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Yo'i. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 06:38, 3 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Kak, aku ni nak bělétér soal laèn (membicarakan masalah lain). Saya ni baru dapat gambar buat Pinanga patula. Ini sy dapat dari buku Rumphia karya K.L. Blume dkk (1836). Nah, itu ditebitkan di Amsterdam, Paris, Dusseldorf, dan Brussels. Nah, itu mau sy pasangkan k Commons. Templat lisensinya yg bagus, apa ya kak? -- Akbar ini dari Kalbar 03:56, 4 August 2013 (UTC)
 * PD-100 menurut saya. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 05:24, 4 August 2013 (UTC)

Haze article
Hi Crisco, could you help me assess the haze article to see how its path to GA/FA is going? You will probably notice that tag on top. Could you help me to fix the issue? I'm quite busy now, and only have fixed a bit, so I may need your help. Anyway, other than grammar fixes, could you not edit the article. Not that I don't trust you, but I'm just afraid that things may get messy. Just place the suggestions on the same thread on talk page. Thanks. ✉→ Arctic Kangaroo ←✎ 15:54, 2 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm getting ready for Hong Kong, but I'll see what I can do. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:54, 2 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Wikimania? Dang, if only I could go too. :/ ☯ Bonkers The Clown  \(^_^)/  Nonsensical Babble  ☯ 08:59, 4 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I got lucky; managed to get a scholarship (it's cheaper than London, so I didn't mind applying... my reason for not applying last year was because it was so far and thus so expensive). — Crisco 1492 (talk) 09:11, 4 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Congratulations then! :) ☯ Bonkers The Clown  \(^_^)/  Nonsensical Babble  ☯ 09:19, 4 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks! — Crisco 1492 (talk) 09:26, 4 August 2013 (UTC)

AfD Close Request
Would you mind closing this AfD? It's past the standard 5 days and all !votes are "Keep". I would do it myself, but I'm involved. Thanks... Neutralhomer •  Talk  • 02:05, 4 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Standard seven, actually, but closed as (essentially) withdrawn. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:12, 4 August 2013 (UTC)
 * My mistake there, I couldn't remember if it was 5 or 7. Thanks! :) -  Neutralhomer  •  Talk  • 02:16, 4 August 2013 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/In a World...
Crisco, could you please stop by and comment on the special occasion request made by TonyTheTiger? If I'm offbase, please set the matter straight. Many thanks. PS: feel free to restore approval while you're there if the image issue has been properly settled. BlueMoonset (talk) 04:46, 4 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Replied there. Hope I'm clear. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 05:28, 4 August 2013 (UTC)

Work to do
Indorock, Bintangs, Oeroeg... Drmies (talk) 18:02, 4 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Added a sentence and infobox to Oeroeg, though I didn't take the time to find a summary yet. I hope to do something with the Bintangs tonight. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:00, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Excellent, thanks. Oeroeg is just about ready for DYK, certainly. I'll see what I can do about the Bintangs as well. Crisco, I really meant this: I am in awe of "indo" contributions and how little we realized this. Drmies (talk) 01:42, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Their contributions have certainly blown my mind. Van Halen, obviously, but even someone as offbeat as Mike Hoolboom (I never expected a Canadian article to dovetail with Indonesia, but there you go) — Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:56, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Huh? Van Halen? Do I need to read his article again? This kind of stuff I blame on Liam, who has taken a liking to fucking with my netbook. Drmies (talk) 02:12, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Crisco, you gotta be kidding me. I go to create this, Template:Did you know nominations/Oeroeg, and find almost exactly the hook I was going to propose. Drmies (talk) 02:45, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Eddie Van Halen: Quarter Javanese, apparently. Anyways, ha ha. I think Rob Nieuwenhuys' Mirror of the Indies has a bit on Oeroeg, so I'll try and get to that tonight. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 03:04, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

Repeated personal attacks
Since you are aware of Prashant's behaviour on Wikipedia, can anything be done about the repeated attacks directed against me here and here? Frankly, I am tired of responding to the millions of threats that have been directed against me, and feel that editing here is a colossal waste of time when such comments are directed towards my work. -- smaro jit  HD 18:44, 4 August 2013 (UTC)

User Copy
Per my final comment on this page: Articles_for_deletion/The_Office_Bistro, please provide a copy of the article so I can finish it up in the coming weeks. Also, what would you recommend as the proper course of action once I have added the additional sources and feel it is ready to be considered for reintegration into mainspace? —John Stenson 23:18, 4 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Article is now at User:John Stenson/The Office Bistro. I would suggest asking another editor to take a look and give a neutral, third-party opinion as to how well notability is established (I'd be happy to do so, in fact). — Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:03, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

More coins
If you are not sick of the subject, could you circle crop the images here? (there are five, one's deep in the article)? Not quite done with the writing yet and have gotten sidetracked a bit. Thanks.--Wehwalt (talk) 14:17, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Ooh, those are purdy. It's a break from Dutch R&B groups that I've never heard of... I blame Drmies for this. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:19, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
 * All done. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:04, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I know. These classic designs are very handsome.  Thanks.--Wehwalt (talk) 17:30, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Don't mention it. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:41, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

Reply
Hey! crisco. Well, that user is playing very safe as I'm the only one who knows his wise tricks to get someone down and do what his mind want. I dont even cross his path. But, when I saw an edit at Ranbir Kapoor, It was like favouratism as he mentioned Anjaana Anjaani as an underperformer at the box-office which is actually an above average grosser. That's why he thought to tak revenge but, im ready to resolve everything as i believe in neutrality. I want to let you know, If you see Rani Mukerji's FAC, you'll find that he had actually mentioned an average grosser as a hit which Bollyjeff noticed and then, he changed. In, several articles in which he is he main contributor uses same technique to praise them to extremes. Tell, the guy who mentions an average grosser as a hit Can question others? That's why i asked him to change his other articles which he has broken all neutality in terms of critical and commercial success. — Prashant 02:35, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Please go ahead and point out where I have "broken all neutrality". Your repeated rants and abusive messages to me don't seem like you want to resolve anything. Repeatedly calling me a "frustrating Brngali" and mentioning Rani and Vidya's names everytime you communicate with me doesn't prove so either. I am happy to not interact with you, but since you never stop attacking me, I have no choice but to retort back. -- smaro jit  HD 03:32, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I will definitely go ahead with FAR of those two articles. And, GAR of articles like EKK Main Aur Ekk Tu, Kahaani.— Prashant 03:59, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Do you see these threats Crisco? And then he writes that he doesn't want to interact with me. Wow! -- smaro jit  HD 11:01 am, Today (UTC+7)
 * I see them. An interaction ban would, however, preclude such action, Prashant. This needs to be hammered out, but there's no need to threaten stuff like this; considering the bad blood, it would quite likely be disruptive. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 04:05, 5 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Would you two be willing to subject to a voluntary interaction ban (without going through ANI)? Basically, it would mean you should not interact with each other, at all, except through an intermediary. Prashant!, you should weigh in too. Smarojit seems willing. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 03:39, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes Crisco, I am more than willing to do so. Thanks. -- smaro jit  HD 03:41, 5 August 2013 (UTC)


 * I will be the happiest person to do sooooooooooo. I was waiting for the moment that an administrator would ask me to not to ever talk to him. Thanks.— Prashant 03:59, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Okay, so both of you please stay off each others' talk page and, after this discussion at Fashion is finished, please do not interact directly with each other. Find a neutral editor to serve as intermediary if absolutely necessary to discuss things. Do not revert each others' edits. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 04:02, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Please see his latest edit at Talk:Priyanka Chopra. I don't think this will stop!! -- smaro jit  HD 04:13, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

What what???? Chopra articles has been edited by me and was questioned along with Fashion. I'm just solving your question. Did you see crisco, his wise tricks? First he questions an article and then says not to talk directly? So, who will resolve this issue.— Prashant 04:20, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
 * To resolve an issue, you don't need to keep making personal attacks against me. -- smaro jit  HD 04:25, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Erm, yeah. Prashant, "Also, did i heard someone sayoing that his articles is being repeatedly questioned and same applies her. Then he should have corrected those questions in his articles and then here. No?" is not acceptable. That's nowhere near discussing the content, that's having a go at an editor whom you really shouldn't be antagonising. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 04:31, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

Yes, but he is behaving like this. That's why. He says lets use the verdict by BOI and then He says BOI reports wrong about a film Kites. If he can't follow his words. How he get to know that Kites was a flop as BOI says it was a hit and highest grosser. Ask him. He is reflecting through his own words.— Prashant 04:35, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
 * That's not quite what I said. Box office india have themselves labelled Kites a flop. See here: http://www.boxofficeindia.com/showProd.php?itemCat=317&catName=MjAxMC0yMDE5 The other list provides no such verdit, so there is no question of BOI reporting any wrong information.-- smaro jit  HD 04:38, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
 * (ec) "he is behaving like this" - Even if he does something with which you don't agree, that doesn't mean you are free to take pot shots at him. The best way to win an argument is to argue against the points brought up, not the person. Find sources, discuss. Don't assume bad faith. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 04:41, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

Okay Kites is a Flop. But Anjaana Anjaani is described as above average grosser. But, still you mentioned underperformer for it. How did you know that was underperformer. Because it shows your favouratism and this is not an attack as some rules of wikipedia gives rights to questions BIASNESS and NEUTRALITY.— Prashant 04:51, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
 * And when you pointed it out, I changed it. As simple as that. I don't see the point in mentioning other articles now. So what is the issue now? -- smaro jit  HD 04:52, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
 * "How did you know that was underperformer. Because it shows your favouratism and this is not an attack as some rules of wikipedia gives rights to questions BIASNESS and NEUTRALITY." - Erm... erm... Prash, do you not see the problem with statements like this? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 04:59, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

You reverted me two times before changing it. And for the rest of articles Neutrality is the main reason.— Prashant 05:04, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Where, exactly, are the reverts? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 05:10, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I reverted you 'once' (here: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ranbir_Kapoor&diff=567012265&oldid=567011879), after which you left an abusive edit summary. See this: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ranbir_Kapoor&diff=567070012&oldid=567064806 When I saw the source, I changed it as I saw the fact. Now that I am pointing out the facts regarding Fashion and Dostana, you should do the same. -- smaro jit  HD 05:11, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Now that we are on this topic, might I remind you of this. When I removed the term "songwriter" from Chopra's page, after the discussion in the talk page, you left this message on my talk page: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3ASmarojit&diff=566726126&oldid=566719376 -- smaro jit  HD 05:21, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Sigh. Prashant, have you read OWN yet? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 05:34, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes i have read and i dont own an article like smarojit who owns Balan, Mukerji. Have you seen any discussion on their pages because he dont allow as he is the owner.— Prashant 05:43, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
 * You don't own an article? Right. So why do you continuously say "his" and "my" articles? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 06:15, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Looking at this (and the edits after which), I must say that you both are clearly interested in the quality of these articles. The issue is, perhaps, that you are having trouble agreeing on how to paraphrase the sources (as a note, "underperformed" and "moderate commercial success" are not the same in everyday parlance). Prashant, you should try to keep a level head. There is no need to get worked up over this. I think that, if you were to actually keep calm and focus on what Smarojit is actually saying, you might find that he is reasonable. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 05:31, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
 * *Yes, i corrected that and happy that you are correcting this but Fashion is described as success no a hit which a following source confirms and Dostana was a financial sucess seeing its budget 40 cr and collection 86 cr. If you are correcting mine, Then, i also have some duties to correct Balan, Mukerji, Kahaani, Ek main aur ekk tu for your kind gesture. Plus, some other pouints which soon i will put.— Prashant 05:43, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I agree that the Anjaana Anjaani bit was my mistake, and I rectified it as soon as I saw the source. I had mentioned underperformed as I had misread the source as "below average". But, I don't think that the mistake warranted such an extreme reaction from him saying: "BUT YOU MENTIONED AN AVERAGE FILM AS HIT IN MUKERJI. GET YOUR FACTS RIGHT!! I bet if it starred Balan or Mukerji you must have mentiond as hit" I mean, why mention my other contributions here? -- smaro jit  HD 05:38, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes, Crisco Smarojit is helping me in the qualitry of articles which certainly lacks from his own edited articles.— Prashant 05:43, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Sigh. "which certainly lacks from his own edited articles." - There are no "his" articles. There are only Wikipedia's articles. If you don't stop this battlefield mentality, you may find yourself on the wrong end of the block hammer yet again. Please either ignore each other or work together. Otherwise... — Crisco 1492 (talk) 06:15, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

I see your efforts to get on proved fruitless, I must say though that I'm not surprised, because Prashant has a habit of saying and doing things which irk people off....♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld  13:50, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I've noticed. I don't think he'll hold his end of our gentleman's agreement. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:54, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Already started. — Indian: BIO  · [ ChitChat  ] 08:40, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
 * — Crisco 1492 (talk) 09:19, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
 * LoL.--Dwaipayan (talk) 17:55, 6 August 2013 (UTC)

Civility
Thanks for your message on my talk page. I'm surprised, however, that you haven't left a similar message on User:Dr. Blofeld's talk page, given that he has called ThePromenader and I "disgruntled editors from the wiki Jurassic period", on Jimbo Wales' talk page no less. Also considering that he told ThePromenader that he was "a danger to society", and that he referred to "that sour Canadian tongue of yours". Civility has to work both ways. Der Statistiker (talk) 13:12, 6 August 2013 (UTC)

That isn't an irrelevant personal attack which pokes fun at the work of others now is it. I've met my fair share of nasty people on wikipedia but hands down Der Statistiker you're the most consistently obnoxious I've ever come across. I'm yet to see you say a good word about anybody or anything. Your sort are damaging to the community who do frankly nothing here for 5 years and then turn up to cause trouble and attack decent editors...♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld  16:27, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Dr. Blofeld, that's exactly his point... if you don't keep a rein on that temper, the lot of you are liable to be in trouble. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:48, 6 August 2013 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * Thanks a lot, always glad to help! — Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:50, 6 August 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Bengawan Solo (1949 film)
Alex ShihTalk 16:02, 6 August 2013 (UTC)

Incomplete DYK nomination
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Main Page appearance
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The Citra Award for Best Leading Actress is an Indonesian film award given at the Indonesian Film Festival to actresses for their achievements in lead roles. This award was first given in 1955 to two actresses from competing studios: Fifi Young of Persari and Dhalia of Perfini. Initially given sporadically, this Citra Award has been granted annually since 1973, although a decline in the Indonesian film industry meant no awards were given between 1993 and 2003. The actress with the most wins to date is Christine Hakim (pictured), with six; she has cited her win in Teguh Karya's Cinta Pertama as convincing her to pursue a career in acting. Dian Sastrowardoyo became the first actress with multiple nominations in a single year, earning a win for Ada Apa dengan Cinta? and a nomination for Pasir Berbisik in 2004. The current holder is Acha Septriasa, who won the prize for the film Test Pack: You're My Baby.

Book
Look, a lot of online text here. Drmies (talk) 00:19, 7 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Oh my, purdy. Shame I have never really been interested in that part of Indonesian history. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:33, 7 August 2013 (UTC)

Personally identifiable information
An editor that disagrees with my edits has accused me of having a non-disclosed COI here and included in his note my prior username, which was changed in order to avoid disclosing personally identifiable information. I absolutely don't want the PR guy at SmartScore, who I've lectured extensively on the Talk page, being able to find out who I am. Do you know what - if anything - can be done to protect my personally identifiable information? I realize it was disclosed in my username previously, so it may be too late since I've volunteered it years previously. CorporateM (Talk) 01:16, 7 August 2013 (UTC)
 * redacted and rev deleted. For more than that, I'm not quite sure. There's obviously people who know more than they should say, but I don't think an old username falls under OUTING. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:33, 7 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Yup, I suppose that's all that can be done, because the diff history will always be there. I never thought when I created my original username that I was volunteering for off-wiki harassment. I think I prefer to work on abandoned pages, so I can avoid other editors ;-) CorporateM (Talk) 01:42, 7 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Hmm, I'm totally perplexed. User:King4057 overtly redirects to User:CorporateM. User:King4057 overtly declared himself here to be a paid editor. What's to redact or protect? Who is being outed? And by the way, there's no accusation as such here, just a declaration of the facts as they appear to other uninformed (and unpaid) editors here. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 01:57, 7 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I said "that may be used for outing", not that it is outing. Corporate has clearly shown concern that the old user name may be an issue for his/her privacy, so pointing it out may not be the best approach. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:22, 7 August 2013 (UTC)
 * OK, fair enough. The username is still available in the diff I posted at Talk:SmartScore, by the way. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 07:01, 7 August 2013 (UTC)
 * No, it's been revdeleted. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 07:24, 7 August 2013 (UTC)
 * He means that my old username is still visible here at the diff he is pointing too, but I presume nothing can be done about that. CorporateM (Talk) 14:11, 7 August 2013 (UTC)

Featured list candidates/List of international cricket five-wicket hauls by Dale Steyn/archive1
FYI, List of international cricket five-wicket hauls by Dale Steyn is at FLC. Looking forward for your comments. Regards, Zia Khan 02:04, 7 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I'll try to do something when I get back from Hong Kong. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:33, 7 August 2013 (UTC)

Kudos
Thanks for taking the time to take part in the discussion. :-) -Kitfoxxe (talk) 06:35, 4 August 2013 (UTC)
 * The votes were counted and the article kept. This is good news for people wanting to read an encyclopedia article on the footpaths of Gibraltar. Kitfoxxe (talk) 18:12, 7 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm aware of the closure (I turned down the request that I do it as I felt too involved). — Crisco 1492 (talk) 04:22, 8 August 2013 (UTC)

DYK nom
Hi, I nominated Thinkwell Group for DYK. However, no-one reviewed it, but it is now not in the 'Current Nominations' section. Would you mind reviewing it for me please (it is here)? Thanks, Mat  ty. 007 09:02, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Sure thing, Matt. For the future though, it's still a viable DYK nom (that cutoff point is basically for new nominations only, let nominators know what dates are too late) — Crisco 1492 (talk) 09:13, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Oh, OK, thanks. Mat  ty  .  007  09:32, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Sorry, another question: if I reviewed a DYK nom now, could I still use it on a DYK days/weeks later? Or do I have to do QPQ within a certain time scale? Thanks for the help, Mat  ty  .  007  15:37, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Just like the Twinkies of lore: no expiry date. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:39, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I don't know what Twinkies are, but thanks for the help. Mat  ty  .  007  15:43, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm an American and I know what Twinkies are, but I have never ate one in my life. That is strange according to my family. SL93 (talk) 22:07, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Twinkies. As for the myth, @Snopes and @About.com — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:31, 7 August 2013 (UTC)

If I review a DYK nomination which contains two new articles (or 5X expanded), then can I use that for QPQ twice? Thanks, Mat  ty. 007 19:29, 7 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 04:19, 8 August 2013 (UTC)

DYK
Liberty Head double eagle has gone blue if you want to do the DYK. Perhaps the blurb could be something about how it was stuck in the wake of the California Gold Rush to more efficiently convert bullion into coin.--Wehwalt (talk) 22:53, 7 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I'll try and get to that tonight. Wikimania is keeping me on my feet a bit. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 04:20, 8 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Enjoy. Hong Kong in August is not my sort of thing, nor is queueing up with the masses to hear Jimbo.  Wonder if he's collecting a speaking fee?--Wehwalt (talk) 10:53, 8 August 2013 (UTC)
 * It's not that much different than Indonesia at this time of year, but yeah it's a blaster. Got the nom done, btw, here. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:49, 8 August 2013 (UTC)

Deletion discussion closure
Articles for deletion/Footpaths of Gibraltar has run for the required seven days; at the current time it has seven keep !votes, two deletes and two merges, so the outcome seems fairly clear. Do you think you could close it so that we can get on with the DYK nom? Prioryman (talk) 22:08, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Although I agree that the outcome seems fairly obvious, and although I have not !voted in the discussion, I think I'm already involved enough that a closure would not be kosher. Since this is such a... hot... topic area, I think we should wait for a more political closer. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:46, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
 * ✅. Don't know if anyone would consider me involved (or too a-political?), but this is clear enough. Drmies (talk) 00:30, 7 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Har har, thanks. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:31, 7 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks very much, Drmies (friendly talk page stalker FTW!). Crisco, the review is still posing problems. I'd appreciate your feedback on the points that I've raised at . Prioryman (talk) 07:34, 9 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Commented, although quickly (abroad right now) — Crisco 1492 (talk) 07:46, 9 August 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Oeroeg
Alex ShihTalk 03:02, 9 August 2013 (UTC)

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Pirates of the Caribbean: Armada of the Damned
Hi mate, no pressure but just checking your comment at this FAC re. possibly declaring a position once David's comments were resolved, I notice he's now withdrawn his opposition. Cheers, Ian Rose (talk) 02:04, 10 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Oh, sorry. Lost track of everything in the lead-up to Hong Kong. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:15, 10 August 2013 (UTC)

sheesh
Didn't even realise I edited your talk page - sorry about that I blame my ipad ( again) 09:26, 10 August 2013 (UTC)
 * No worries. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 10:02, 10 August 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Liberty Head double eagle
Orlady (talk) 14:17, 10 August 2013 (UTC)

Dresden Triptych
Was promoted. Thanks for all the help and for being so patience. Ceoil (talk) 15:40, 10 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Way to go! Very beautiful article. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 21:56, 10 August 2013 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Asmara Moerni
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Peer review
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Your GA nomination of Asmara Moerni
The article Asmara Moerni you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Asmara Moerni for comments about the article. Well done! Message delivered by GA bot, on behalf of Dr. Blofeld -- 21:38, 11 August 2013 (UTC)

Perhaps the next one of yours will be a longer one riddled with flaws so I can be excessively picky and conduct a review rather like Tony Tiger's infamous Clint Eastwood GA review grin grin. It's not easy to review your articles and make it look critical... ♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld  21:40, 11 August 2013 (UTC)
 * LOL, thanks — Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:11, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

GAN comment
Hi there, Crisco 1492! If there are no bothers, could you please review my GAN for "Oh Mother", please? Thanks! &mdash; HĐ (talk) 11:55, 12 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I'll see what I can do in the coming week. Just flew back from Hong Kong and am quite tired. (Blofeld, this goes for your message above too) — Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:09, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

 * Oh my. I do hope its salvageable... shipping pounds is almost as much as shipping kilograms. (Thanks for the Barnstar!) — Crisco 1492 (talk) 22:23, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Bintangs
Alex ShihTalk 01:03, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

Wikimania!
Just a few more days to go till Hong Kong! I'm pretty excited to finally meet you in person :)

So, I got roped into giving a bunch of talks, but the one you might be interested in is the Flow/Wikipedia discussions roundtable on Saturday afternoon. I'm still trying to figure out how to structure the conversation, but what I'd like to do is outline all the different kinds of discussions that happen on English Wikipedia, get an alternate perspective from folks who are active on other wikis, and talk about ways we can improve different discussion spaces with software. You may have already heard some rumblings about Flow; I'm the product manager on the Flow team, so I'm trying to push the conversation beyond just people freaking out that the Evil WMF(tm) is going to ruin user talk pages or whatever.

Anyway, one thing I'm definitely interested in for this roundtable is touching on good & featured content nomination processes – what's working, what's not, what can be improved with software tools. It would be great to have you present for that! Accedie talk to me  22:36, 4 August 2013 (UTC)
 * You can count on me being there, that's for sure, and I'll think of some ways software could theoretically help. As for rumblings... I couldn't hear them over the screams of the damned raising from the opening cesspool that is VE (as released). Not to say I dislike VE as a concept, but its application feels a bit rushed... especially on this poor connection, where "slow" takes on whole new meanings. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:05, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Ah, Hong Kong. I hope you all have a great time there. Drmies (talk) 02:47, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Sweet – see you soon! Accedie  talk to me  03:30, 8 August 2013 (UTC)
 * @Accedie: Been lookin' for you. Am on site. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 04:18, 8 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Ah! I'm in the big hackathon room – wearing a brown dress/tunic thing... hopefully that helps. Accedie  talk to me  06:13, 8 August 2013 (UTC)
 * K, will hunt for you. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 06:22, 8 August 2013 (UTC)
 * @Accedie: 103? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 06:27, 8 August 2013 (UTC)
 * N113/114 – if you face where lunch was, it's one of the classrooms in the long covered hallway right past the lunch tables, to the left. Accedie  talk to me  06:36, 8 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Ooops. I wandered into a python session and feel like I'm listening to people speak Greek. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 06:37, 8 August 2013 (UTC)
 * You best be going to the welcome party, Crisco! Hope to see you there. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 07:48, 8 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Of course! I brought something for you too, but its at the dorms. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:07, 8 August 2013 (UTC

are u at the cocktail party? i'd like 2 meet  up. im nr the entrance. with a black backpack.ohc 12:07, 8 August 2013 (UTC)
 * ohconfucius and [{User:The ed17|]]: I was, but I didn't see either of you (I started hiding on the other side when it got too crowded). I'll try and find you guys tomorrow. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:55, 8 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I tried to find you but there were far too many people. Worst case, we should grab people and go somewhere for dinner tonight. Ohconfucius, I was hoping to see you too -- I didn't know you were going! Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 01:32, 9 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I found Adam Cuerden (or, rather, he found me). Yeah, we should get dinner. I'm in the East Asia room now (T201). — Crisco 1492 (talk) 03:38, 9 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Not to be a creep (stalking Ed, haha) but I'm in the same room, wearing a red tanktop. Come say hi! :D Keilana&#124;Parlez ici 03:45, 9 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Sorry, we ended up leaving. Anyways, now I know who to look for at lunch! — Crisco 1492 (talk) 04:21, 9 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I made an impromptu visit, thinking that I might meet a few of you peeps, but there were far too many people including maybe a hundred or so who I suspect of being freeloaders/gatecrashers. Anyway, I won't be there today. I hope to make an appearance tomorrow, though. Have fun! --  Ohc  ¡digame!¿que pasa? 06:00, 9 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Alright, we'll try to hunt you down. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 06:14, 9 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Not if I see you first! ;-) --  Ohc  ¡digame!¿que pasa? 06:38, 9 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Alright! Blue batik shirt, black pants. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 06:41, 9 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm at the PolyU, sitting outside the auditorium in front of the registrations desk. As I only have time to attend one session, it's not worth my while to register. I'll stay out here for another 20 minutes if anybody reading this fancies meeting me. --  Ohc  ¡digame!¿que pasa? 02:15, 10 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Ah cripes, and we just got into the keynote room. Will you be here tomorrow? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:17, 10 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Sorry, if only I could have got there a bit earlier today! Seeing it's already 10:30, I'll hang around until Mok finishes. --  Ohc  ¡digame!¿que pasa? 02:36, 10 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Alright, I'll wait in the lobby later. Wearing a black shirt, black pants. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:37, 10 August 2013 (UTC)
 * I'll try to find you too! Slate-colored collared shirt, black cargo shorts, $1 Walmart flip-flops. Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 02:42, 10 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep it classy, Ed. Keilana&#124;Parlez ici 03:06, 10 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Great to meet you in meatspace, Ed and Keilana! (And, of course, Crisco!) :D Accedie  talk to me  18:39, 13 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Agreed! It's nice to remember that there are real faces behind the usernames. :-) Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 18:56, 13 August 2013 (UTC)
 * indeed. Always a pleasure... I enjoyed that about Australia too, in 2012. Didn't meet as many people, but certainly started seeing the different personalities at work. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 22:38, 13 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Fo sho. Even though Ed and Drmies' evil plan didn't succeed. :P Keilana&#124;Parlez ici 22:47, 13 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Har har. In a way, they did. I had three beers in HK... I'll usually only have one in a month (pockets and whatnot) — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:03, 13 August 2013 (UTC)