User talk:Martinevans123/Archive 14

New Year's
How was your New Year's Eve? Safe & sane, or fun? Unfortunately, today I'm suffering from a severe case of Trumpregierungsschlamasselschmerz. – Sca (talk) 15:10, 1 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Eeeeewwwww! ....or, as we say in Wales "ych a fi." That's sounds very nasty. Glad to say I was cosily tucked up with Jools, a chilled Pouilly-Fumé and Cwmaman's finest:   Crazy Nancy Evans 123 (talk) 15:26, 1 January 2020 (UTC) +handy link


 * Having done my humble duty by ITN and MP/E, I'm off to immerse myself in the closing chapters of Simon Winder's Lotharingia, which I think you might find as intriguing and occasionally hilarious as I have. His running commentaries on medieval to 19th C. Europeans are glib and witty – sometimes rather too witty – and as history tomes go wildly entertaining. – Sca (talk) 16:19, 1 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Many thanks for the tip. Simon Winder not previously known to me. Looks interesting! Martinevans123 (talk) 16:24, 1 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Actually he touches on the early 20th C. too. Sca (talk) 18:14, 1 January 2020 (UTC)

Advice please?
Dear Martin, I literally don't know what to do about this and I am already sick of it before I've even started. I'd appreciate your advice, although, actually, my just throwing Teddy in the corner and stomping off with alcohol on my mind, then in it, also seems a strong and quite tempting option. Please, if you can be *rsed, have a quick look at these contribs and User talk:Lewys G where you will see a couple of people, including me, trying to reason with someone on what seems to me to be a slightly odd crusade. I don't want to take it to ANI where all the portents are that everything turns to sh*t quite fast, and the user is taking no notice of me – which is fair enough, why should they? I could perhaps talk to a specific admin if I could ID someone who might be interested, but equally I might do best just to walk away and let stuff happen. My user page, as you well know, is full of little (nauseating) cute bits telling me not to get involved. Indeed there is a nice (nauseating) paragraph on how every "helpful" user intervention I've ever tried here has turned to that same substance. Shall I just stfu and let nature take its course? Yes, I'm annoyed by the user's terrible (imho) edits but no-one will die as a direct result if every one of them stands for the next century ... gah! Cheers, and yours per my username, DBaK (talk) 19:39, 1 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Dear Knackered of Tunbridge Wells, ah yes, what an utter and extremely pointless waste of time (although, yes, that is a reasonably accurate summary of my own Wiki editing career). A real one-man crusade, it seems. There may be a case for mentioning the No.2 song denied a top place in notable instances. But unless there are (multiple) secondary sources that mention it, it's just useless trivia, as far as I can see. I will have a closer look later. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:55, 1 January 2020 (UTC)


 * I salute your wisdom and kindness, thank you. It's just – argh! All that energy wasted. It is starting to attract other attention too, so I fear that I should probably just get a drink and watch it all go pear-shaped whilst regretting I that didn't do better! Cheers, and hic, from Tunbridge Wells (in spirit [both ways]) DBaK (talk) 20:04, 1 January 2020 (UTC)

Adiós?
– Sca (talk) 17:52, 2 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Ha! I have no more to report on that matter. Good heavens, nobody expects The Spanish Inquisition!! Martinevans123 (talk) 17:59, 2 January 2020 (UTC)


 * REminded me of this nash. Gareth Griffith-Jones (contribs) (talk) 18:05, 2 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Seems to be much longer than expected. Martinevans123 (talk) 23:18, 8 January 2020 (UTC)
 * But U were rt. – Sca (talk) 16:13, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

Happy First Edit Day!
 Happy First Edit Day! Have a very happy first edit anniversary!

From the Birthday Committee, CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 00:30, 3 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks so much. How very thoughtful! Wow your memory is just amazing. But you are almost 12 hours early. Please come back later to help blow out the candles on my cake. Martinevans123 (talk) 00:35, 3 January 2020 (UTC) 13 years, eh? What is it that folks always say... "hey, you get less for murder" etc. etc.
 * Happy anniversary M!! Thanks for your editing over the years. Thanks even more for all the interesting links to relevant (and even irrelevant) info :-) Cheers. MarnetteD&#124;Talk 18:01, 3 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks Marnette! Ah yes, that would be my Specialised Subject for the feared black chair: Martinevans123 (talk) 19:35, 3 January 2020 (UTC)

Precious anniversary
--Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:38, 3 January 2020 (UTC)

Happy new year Martin!
Oh I was ill..very very ill. So ill I only have a vague memory of Christmas night to New year's eve. Strange delirium, dreams where I HAD to count to thirty seven, with a compelling narrative structure, which made this compulsion somehow important, a dream where I had to protect all rabbits, come what may. So I had a glorious virus, which put me in bed for six days. Temps of 100 plus. So I have been off line lately. Seriously appreciated your kind message though. Love you Martin. Si. Simon Adler (talk) 04:34, 7 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Happy New Year and Martin! -- D Big X ray ᗙ  19:42, 7 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Sorry to hear that Simon. And glad you are recovered. I don't often have dreams that weird. I'll get Threesie to post you one of his "oven-ready Euro-kittens". Love you too tiger!! Martinevans123 (talk) 19:55, 7 January 2020 (UTC)

Wars
These are tough times, with all the war mongering. How do you think, it will go from here onwards ? War ? skirmish ? nothing extraordinary ? I saw the video yesterday, when I saw Suleimani's corpse pic. Quite gruesome, it was. -- D Big X ray ᗙ  19:41, 7 January 2020 (UTC)
 * I have no idea. I'm surprised there was any corpse left to bury. And to think that we UK people, in our recent Christmas Fayre charity lottery, were worried about this guy and the big red button. Wow. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:46, 7 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Well, you know, they fired 2 Hellfire missile each on both vehicles, just in case, one wasn't enough. Indeed, it was in bits and pieces, I think his ring in a severed hand and the purse was how they identified him. The purse had (among others) an Irani  100,000 Rial note, which I thought suits a general. I had to google it to find it has a value of 2.4$ only. I have no idea about Corbyn or his approach to the red button, so please enlighten me. Here we only hear about Boris. -- D Big X ray ᗙ  19:57, 7 January 2020 (UTC)
 * The electorate's "problem" with Jezza was that he made it clear he'd never use it. Of course the last real Labour PM we had probably would have just let Dabya use it for him. Mr Corbyn has a bicycle, has an allotment and makes damson jam. But he's not too keen on bagels. Allegedly. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:12, 7 January 2020 (UTC)
 * I see, probably bad campaign managers did their damage. TBH, I was surprised Boris was re-elected. I was hoping Corbyn would have easily won considering he had Boris to defeat. Clearly I knew very little of the UK politics.-- D Big X ray ᗙ  20:24, 7 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Don't worry you weren't the only one who felt utterly shocked and physically sick on the morning of 15th December. Still, I love it when Boris does his squirty flower thing and those two panels of hair rise up either side. He was a great Mayor of London and had those super climate emergency bikes too. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:32, 7 January 2020 (UTC) still, all ready now for our go-ahead and invigorating new trade deal with Uncle Donald Sam!!

A barnstar for you!

 * You are too kind. This place sometimes looks like a Waste Land. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:27, 8 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Dagnabit I missed this reply - excellent pun!!! And, yes. --gobears87 (talk) 01:34, 4 February 2020 (UTC) OH! EDIT: it was a DOUBLE pun. Impressive!
 * I'm just back to say I saw that little note you put in a certain place and I had a very nice chuckle... always good to see you around but that was extra good. --gobears87 (talk) 05:58, 21 February 2020 (UTC)
 * You'd have to narrow that down a bit, sorry, as I'm frequently putting little notes in all sorts of places. (I do hope all your bears haven't gone by now). Martinevans123 (talk) 09:29, 21 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Something on a certain Very Negative Admin/Editor's talk page. You made a funny. They did not (unsurprisingly) respond. But I laughed out loud! --gobears87 (talk) 00:22, 23 February 2020 (UTC) p.s. any way to get notified about replies? no talkpages go on watchlist... :-/ ??
 * Ah yes, that one. That wholly unexplained reversal of my "vandalism" revert. I wasn't expecting the thank button, just some acknowledgement might have been nice. But then, we're not here to be nice, are we. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:30, 23 February 2020 (UTC) p.s. all my watchlisted Talk pages produce notifications! Have you checked your filter thingy??
 * But this is a small price to pay for having an expert editor who actually knows their stuff inside out. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:31, 27 February 2020 (UTC)

'Stampede'
I'd hazard a guess that those surging tens of thousands, trying to get near the coffin, in Kerman, were not "frightened".
 * Initially, probably not – but wouldn't you think many became very frightened after people started getting trampled to death? I expect that's the way these things develop. Inserting human before stampede would have allayed most objections. Oh well.
 * (If only we could get that dopey darts blurb outta the ITN box. And moving south, doesn't Sheikh Mujibur Rahman look a lot like Marx?)
 * Having done my worst by WP, I can retreat into my current historical tome. It's largely about the Middle Ages, when humankind lived in perfect harmony. – Sca (talk) 18:55, 8 January 2020 (UTC)
 * I'd also hazard a guess that those who did get near the coffin were indeed frightened when being crushed to death. Maybe there was a lot of running. I don't really know. And maybe most of the world's press, who have reported it as "a stampede", don't really know either. Too bad my Persian isn't quite up to any analysis of semantic subtleties in the primary sources. But when I hear the word "stampede", for some reason I think of the Wild West and Bonanza. Ah yes, the Middle Ages, home comforts with a few foreign excursions. Lovely. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:16, 8 January 2020 (UTC) ... lol "I could dance with you till the cows come home. On second thoughts... "

The most powerful word in English

 * BBC says it's 'the.' I thought sure it would be 'iconic.' – Sca (talk) 13:41, 10 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Of course. And this must be UK's most powerful band. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:45, 10 January 2020 (UTC)
 * You mean to tell me we're living in a post-punk world? – Sca (talk) 14:28, 10 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Listen mate.... some of us are still happy living in the early prog rock world. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:32, 10 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Some of us prefer the 18th Century – at least Hélène's version thereof. – Sca (talk) 16:13, 10 January 2020 (UTC)
 * She'll play at our local festival this summer, Ravel - am on vacation - made new year's resolutions --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:27, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
 * — As the noted Professor Cosmo Fishhawk says in Shoe, I've had the same New Year's resolutions list since 1979. – Sca (talk) 19:13, 19 January 2020 (UTC).
 * Yes, that should be wonderful. But enough of this Euro Culture, I say. Let's Get Brexit Done! Bring on Donald's Chlorinated Goose! Martinevans123 (talk) 22:44, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Done. I read in an article that someone toured Europe, UK and US. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:20, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Are you living nine feet underground? Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  17:32, 10 January 2020 (UTC)
 * lol. You can't beat a bit of Swedish death, can you. Martinevans123 (talk) 23:27, 10 January 2020 (UTC)
 * For some odd reason, this thread brought this into my head. Makes no sense, but now wisting that they would go back to scandi noir. Gareth Griffith-Jones (contribs) (talk) 12:08, 11 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Haha. As if they were ever very noir! This a classic. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:43, 11 January 2020 (UTC)


 * It is. Here's the missing link. Gareth Griffith-Jones (contribs) (talk) 18:14, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
 * (English) subject of my first article composed a sarcastic Brexit Quartet, a string quartet. He got a German passport before doing that. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:33, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Graham Waterhouse? How very intriguing. He's very lively, reminds me a bit of The Lost Jockey: Martinevans123 (talk) 22:39, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
 * He composed less sarcastic works such as Gerda's Halleluja, officially Halleluja St. Martin, not notable ;) - premiered in 2010, revised officially in a concert with the 2020 piece with the golden image at "your" church. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:48, 19 January 2020 (UTC)

Church of the Cosmic Skull
A mate told me about this group and forward this to me. Crikey, I didn't know anyone (except me) did this stuff these days. I think they're just about notable for a WP article now, so I've stuck one up. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  16:58, 10 January 2020 (UTC)

Appros of nothing
I say this in all seriousness, But if it wasn't for Giorgio Moroder, we would'nt have had A HA. Fine he also made disco respectable and layed the the drum pattern for Acid House, but my guilty pleasure off-shoot of 1970s elect innovation is late 80s electro pop; please don't tell anybody. PS hope xmass went well and thanks for the card. Ceoil (talk) 02:11, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Ah-ha, I can understand that, knowing your taste. For Giorgio, I have the greatest respect. Italian electronica does click with me. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:17, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
 * wow, that Franco Battiato album is eery. I think I may have shared this before, but is similarly haunted. Ceoil  (talk) 17:27, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes, but particularly fond of "Propiedad Prohibida". That pink noise stuff also quite interesting. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:39, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes, "Propiedad Prohibida" is very interesting, I do like open cords and drone. That avenue met its logical conclusion with Sunn O))), a band that didn't release albums so much as meters/yards/feet of the same thing over and over, deliriously fantastic as it is. Ceoil  (talk) 18:35, 11 January 2020 (UTC)


 * These people to me Martin are the 2010s equiv to White Noise They sound like what Frank Zappa would have sounded like...if he had ever realised what he was aiming for. Anarchy in the USA. Ceoil  (talk) 17:48, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Ooh, now that's really good. Ace vid too. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:53, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
 * yeah, and its this dude. ps Coogan's take on a Sligo farmer has more or less brought down the government over here. Ceoil  (talk) 18:16, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
 * A great band and a stonking track. What a debut. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:02, 11 January 2020 (UTC) lol
 * I saw your edit summaries - yes, thats what happened. Coogan's impression really took off on r/ireland, that man could run for president here, it was so close to the bone. Liz (wifey) is American and said as we were watching "Jasus yer man sounds exactly like ye". Ceoil  (talk) 20:14, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
 * The love child of Paddy McGinty and some cheap lousy faggot. To be sure! Martinevans123 (talk) 20:21, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm noticing that utube vids related to the 90s are now interrupted by ads for sight and hearing loss. The internet thinks I'm going to die. Ceoil  (talk) 05:10, 19 January 2020 (UTC)

ITN recognition for Roger Scruton

 * Thanks, from the Northern Line. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:20, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you, Martin. Is any admin watching. Gudrun Pausewang (ITNN 23 Jan) was more or less ready yesterday, was marked "ready" before rehearsal, and is still not on the Main page. I was told there (also yesterday) "calm" but find it hard. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:02, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Well, she is now, about the same minute ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:03, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

Scandi noir
Hi Martin, I noticed that you changed my spelling of "their next-door-neighbour" to the US spelling. Care to expand? All the best! Gareth 16:13, 14 January 2020 (UTC)
 * I certainly did not mean to do that. Please go ahead and revert! Martinevans123 (talk) 16:17, 14 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Already had! Reverted before posting here. Gareth 16:20, 14 January 2020 (UTC)
 * "Well, well, well." I found the dramatic ending of part 1 a little contrived, but no less enjoyable for that! Martinevans123 (talk) 16:34, 14 January 2020 (UTC) WTF
 * I agree. It seemed too convenient that FBI Special Agent Maggie Griffin just shot him dead. A well-produced series. Gareth Griffith-Jones (contribs) (talk) 16:45, 14 January 2020 (UTC)
 * "At least I got to shoot the f**ker"! Martinevans123 (talk) 16:51, 14 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Last night, I thought I was watching a noir line of duty. Gareth Griffith-Jones (contribs) (talk) 14:02, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
 * No plot spoilers, please... I have yet to catch up! Martinevans123 (talk) 14:08, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Hmmm yes, I see what you mean... pretty intense. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:37, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Woahh! Dramatic ending! Great stuff. Martinevans123 (talk) 23:14, 25 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Isn't it! ... the best Nord-noir ever. Since the last one. Gareth Griffith-Jones (contribs) (talk) 11:32, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

Fool
Sorry there was no edit summary. I pressed publish too quickly and didn't get a chance to come back to it. I was reverting (I thought) the duplicated inclusion of 'FOOL, ICAO name for Léon-Mba International Airport' which is already under 'Other Uses' Robynthehode (talk) 20:59, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Ah yes, I see. Not sure why I didn't see that. But I think The Fool (design collective) still needs to be added?Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:30, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes please re add that example if you wish Robynthehode (talk) 22:58, 18 January 2020 (UTC)
 * In fact not. It's also already there, but under "Music". So thanks for the revert. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:13, 19 January 2020 (UTC)

Nomen est omen?
Artificial intelligence in action. – Sca (talk) 19:01, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Take a bow socially-awkward Mark.... now sponsored by The Donald, I hear. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:08, 19 January 2020 (UTC)
 * I kept checking Reuters to make sure this wasn't F-nooz, but apparently it actually happened in the world in which we live in. Stranger than the B-Report.– Sca (talk) 19:19, 19 January 2020 (UTC)

He will be missed
Hello M. I just saw this news about Jimmy Heath. The list of people he performed with is amazing. Best regards. MarnetteD&#124;Talk 17:28, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes, 93 years of age and what an amazing career. He's on Hub Cap, one of my favourite Freddie Hubbard albums (especially "Osie Mae", on which he takes the second solo, and which is just utterly wonderful). Martinevans123 (talk) 19:40, 20 January 2020 (UTC) ... The re-mastering of the classic 1960 The Thumper was so good it sounds like they're all in the room. Superb: brother Albert on drums


 * Wonderful music M. I always appreciate the links you leave and am amazed that youtube seems to have everything that was ever recorded on the planet :-) MarnetteD&#124;Talk 20:07, 20 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Yes, there's a lot of Jimmy Heath, fortunately, including some later years interviews. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:08, 20 January 2020 (UTC)

Body and Soul
Hi, this main page should really be the article on the tune, not a dab page of zillions of albums named after it. Can you do whatever it is when you tag it and propose for it to be the main article on the tune and the rest moved to a dab?♦ Dr. Blofeld  17:46, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Howdy, Doc. Long time no see. I didn't realise I was going to tag it. Thanks for the premonition. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:14, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Um, wouldn't you just move that first entry up to the top and tweak slightly:
 * "Body and Soul" is a 1930 popular song and jazz standard, and the title song of many of the albums listed below.
 * And then change Songs to Other songs? That section of "Entertainment" looks a bit redundant in any case. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:48, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
 * You want to get rid of the "(1930 song)" bit from the article title, yes? Martinevans123 (talk) 23:30, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Maybe Eddie can work out what you want, lol. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:26, 30 January 2020 (UTC)
 * , looks like this can't happen. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:10, 31 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Body and Soul is one of the most covered, popular songs of the 20th century!! I guess the younger generation don't know it very well, oh well. But when somebody says "The Avengers" I think the 60s TV series, and seeing the dab on Avenger look how far down the page it actually is. Times change and not always for the better!♦ Dr. Blofeld  14:35, 31 January 2020 (UTC)
 * "Hmmm. Youth of today! Just try telling 'em..." I guess you must mean the Times. Re: the Coleman Hawkins classic... I'll probably just light a candle on 25 March. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:49, 31 January 2020 (UTC)

January 2020
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 * Thanks for telling me (off again). Just to remind myself, here's the source I think I used, from The Times: . And I believe I included that entire quote form Heseltine: "That is probably right. But if you have your hands tied behind your back and no cards and a very skilful negotiator on the other side of the table, led by a very experienced merchant banker, Kenneth Keith, I defy you to do any... " which I assumed wasn't under copyright to The Times. Perhaps it is? I must have thought the remaining material I added was necessary fr context and couldn't be written any other way to keep the exact sense. I'll have to try again sometime. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:11, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
 * It's okay to use the quote, but it's not okay to copy the surrounding prose unaltered. If you can't figure out a way to re-word it, leave it out.— Diannaa (talk) 22:50, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
 * So I tried again. If this is still judged, by you, to be an unacceptable a breach of copyright, could I possibly request that you tell me again and not block me as a persistent violator, as you have again threatened to do? Many thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 23:46, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

Emiliano Sala as a Cardiff City player
Sala was included as a player for the FA Cup match against Reading. This seems odd, because Cardiff City is still arguing that Sala was not officially one of its players at the time of his death, and that it should not have to pay the £15 million fee.-- ♦Ian Ma c M♦  (talk to me) 08:43, 26 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes, an odd situation. You'd have thought that any large business like that would have some kind of explicit rule for this in an employee's Ts&Cs. Sala certainly shouldn't have been included in any team list until he had signed his contract. If he had signed, the fee should have been paid. But it's not clear if he did? The article says: "Cardiff have argued that they shouldn't have to pay any of the fee as the Argentinian never signed the final version of his contract - a stance Nantes have strongly rejected." Even if that is the Daily Mail. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:12, 26 January 2020 (UTC)


 * A well written article from the WP:DAILYMAIL (which they are capable of doing), but will they ever live this down? As for Sala's status as a Cardiff City player and the £15 million fee, the lawyers are still arguing and the appeal is scheduled for "spring 2020... A final award is not expected before June 2020". Watch this space.-- ♦Ian Ma c M♦  (talk to me) 09:32, 26 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Six tonnes!! I always keep mine trimmed to a mere five. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:52, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

ITN/C
Thank you for thanking me on ITN/C, though I ended up having to revert my comment. Sometimes it's a bit difficult for me to restrain myself.--WaltCip (talk) 16:46, 26 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes, I know how you feel. It kind of struck a chord. So pleased you weren't indeffed. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:10, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

What's occurring?
Good news maybe Gareth Griffith-Jones (contribs) (talk) 16:31, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
 * I loves Nessa, I does.... even if she is 54 Martinevans123 (talk) 16:35, 27 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Ruth Jones was born on 22 September 1966 (age 53 years) in Bridgend so they are keeping close to real life. Gareth Griffith-Jones (contribs) (talk) 16:45, 27 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Who cares about real life when you can have a day on the slots! Martinevans123 (talk) 16:47, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

What a wonderful performance, Martin. Many thanks for the YouTube link. Gareth Griffith-Jones (contribs) (talk) 11:53, 28 January 2020 (UTC) I trust Martin has opened his last bottle of "for special occasions only" ... Gareth Griffith-Jones (contribs) (talk) 11:42, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Mozart's birthday is occurring, and I began expanding the Vespers with Brian's collected sources, - a huge legacy. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:39, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks for reminding me..... but these Salsa Sisters are doing it for themselves. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:02, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you for that.
 * It was so fun to see those folks again :-) Do either of you know if there is a list of Nessa's jobs somewhere on the interwebs. I know it wouldn't be allowed here at the 'pedia due to WP:TRIVIA concerns but it sure would be fun to have them all in one place. I hope both have a crackin week. MarnetteD&#124;Talk 20:22, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
 * "Flat in Westminster... full use of one of the Jags... ...but getting home and soaking your knuckles in a bucket of ice, is no way to live for an attractive woman." Martinevans123 (talk) 23:10, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
 * That's what I'm talking about :-) I may have had almost as many jobs as Nessa but I didn't have half as much fun in them :-D MarnetteD&#124;Talk 23:58, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Hello ! What a treat to find you over by-'ere this morning. Didn't know you are fan of our famously entertaining TV show.
 * We did used to have a separate article for Vanessa Shanessa Jenkins. But of course it got deleted, as media trivia. You don't know what you've got til it's gone. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:26, 28 January 2020 (UTC)


 * What's occurring today? The kiss of justice and peace, pictured, - goes well with my visions. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:19, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

Oh dear! What have I started? this could go on forever. Gareth Griffith-Jones (contribs) (talk) 11:15, 29 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks,.
 * imagining the kiss forever --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:49, 29 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Great work on Psalm 85, Gerda. People forget that Milton wrote hymns. The only one mentioned is his article is "Let us with a gladsome mind". Martinevans123 (talk) 12:34, 29 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Expanding Psalm 85 was a - as other psalms - a joint project, mostly with Yoninah, also Alephb and others, ongoing, - you can help! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:06, 29 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes, I was aware. Yoninah always makes some great contributions. Not sure why Let us with a gladsome mind (hymn written in 1623) has only one of its seven verses. Is it really still covered by copyright? Martinevans123 (talk) 13:29, 29 January 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm sure it doesn't, sofixit. I have enough German hymns to handle, some with 15 stanzas, - same mindset, it seems. The poet said "let's search for joy" to his wife, after most of their children had died in the Thirty Years War. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:03, 29 January 2020 (UTC)
 * He was only 15 when he wrote that one! But yes, I will try and add the others. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:16, 29 January 2020 (UTC)
 * "only 15" reminds me of this mature work, on my wishlist, also Beati (will sing that in March). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:21, 29 January 2020 (UTC)
 * The old ones are often the best ones. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:24, 29 January 2020 (UTC)

Roger Nichols
Hi there. I left the Google search information in the ref so the link would go directly to the firing, but I won't contest your trim, not being sure about the formatting. I'll see if I can access the book directly for a better ref. I see you have expressed concerns in your edit summary about Roger Nichols' firing meriting a subsection. Nichols' importance to the band is self-evident. The firing was not public record until 2018 when Brian Sweet updated his book on the band. I expect more information to surface about this termination, if indeed it does not already exist. Cheers! Jusdafax (talk) 21:54, 27 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Nichols' importance is indeed beyond doubt. I guess I just don't like one one-sentence sub-sub-sections. I wasn't sure why it wasn't just the second paragraph of the preceding sub-section, where it fits chronologically. With your permission I'll format the ref anyway. The link should still go directly to page 445. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:00, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

Seamus
Thanks for your thoughts on Seamus. I don't think it matters at all, as it seems to be a matter or a few 100 metres one way or the other. A linked mention is best, as you say. I'll leave it with you if you feel strongly. Merry Imbolc for yesterday; festival of snowdrops and the triple goddess. (I don't know much about image policies). x Anna (talk) 13:09, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you Anna for that lovely picture. I don't have strong views on that, just seeking to avoid redlinks in the infobox. Surprised that I'm unable to find an image on Mossbawn on the net. It was featured in that BBC television documentary last year: His brother Hugh is still there, I think, with his chickens. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:22, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
 * As far as I can tell Mossbawn is the farmhouse or tiny hamlet around it. I love that link you posted of Seamus talking about the town and the farm. I do miss him still. I saw him read many times, getting progressively more frail and shaky in his last years; bent and palsied. Such a gentle man, full of grace. His memorial at the Southbank was a beautiful event, full of friends, his and mine. Not a dry eye in the house. Many friends of mine have encouraging letters that he sent to them as budding poets - he seemed to always reply to personal letters. Such a power house for education in the UK and Ireland; Ted Hughes too - they were great personal friends. x Anna (talk) 13:58, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes, the farmhouse. Is that it? I found that image, but it seemed untitled. I had thought it was a more substantial place. It can be seen in the documentary at about 5:10 - it's No 126, Hillhead Road (you can see it on Google Streetview). Martinevans123 (talk) 14:01, 3 February 2020 (UTC)

Please have a look in
...at the Sanna Marin article, where I began citation checking after a student reported finding discrepancies between sentences and their appended citations. I have corrected what I have found, but was only able to do so by further citing her self-published autobiographies. (The title subject has at least three of these that are cited, and all—in this professional's experience—were written by her, and then posted by the various venues.) In truth, the article has about 25% self-published material, and if the early research we did is representative, there will be a lot further correcting required before it can move to being a GA. Cheers, will keep looking in, but wanted to let another involved editor what was going on there. [a former prof.] 2601:246:C700:19D:21CA:6537:9D1B:A204 (talk) 19:19, 4 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the invite. I'm not sure the "self-published autobiographies" are much of a problem, if it's non-controversial material. Might even be expected to be more accurate than some newspaper reports. Also don't see what's wrong with a second image of her. After all, she is a politician, not an academic. Although, as User:Bus stop would no doubt tell you will definitely not tell you (as they not maintain any dogmatic position on action shots versus non-action shots), an "action shot" is probably better, if available. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:00, 4 February 2020 (UTC) p.s. may be some way before it gets nominated for WP:GA
 * I basically consider all things, including intangible factors, in preferring one image over another. I don't take some kind of a dogmatic approach that I have decided upon in some earlier decision-making process. I might have spoken about "action shots" but that was in relation to weighing one image against one or more other images. Thank you for pinging me. Bus stop (talk) 22:14, 4 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Sounds very reasonable. And Marin hasn't even got pigtails. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:19, 4 February 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure if "pigtails" translates into Swedish. Bus stop (talk) 22:41, 4 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Will Norwegian do? Martinevans123 (talk) 22:48, 4 February 2020 (UTC)
 * The thing is there has been no preference expressed by me for the "action shot". I can chose to favor one photo over another because one shows "action" and the other shows passivity in a given instance. You say "as User:Bus stop would no doubt tell you, an 'action shot' is probably better". I appreciate being pinged and having this opportunity to say that in fact I do not maintain any dogmatic position on action shots versus non-action shots. Such a distinction is merely an argument I made relating to choice of or placement of an image in one specific instance. Thanks for this opportunity. Bus stop (talk) 17:24, 5 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you for clarifying, so clearly, what you can chose to favour, in terms of one photograph over another. I have now duly adjusted my comment above, in line with your very clear explanation. I trust my earlier misrepresentation misunderstanding based on a logical deduction from what you said, of your position on photo comparisons will not negatively impact your future at Wikipedia, or indeed affect your personal credit rating. I would also like to take this opportunity apologise to 2601:246:C700:19D:21CA:6537:9D1B:A204 for any confusion caused about your preferences in the selection of photographs for articles. Furthermore, I'm sure there any many popular hair styles, available in very many parts Scandinavia, that do not involve braids, whether visible in photographic "action shots" or not. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:50, 5 February 2020 (UTC)
 * I don't consider your characterization of my position as a "misrepresentation". You made a logical deduction from what I said. Bus stop (talk) 19:07, 5 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you for clarifying, so clearly, my earlier misunderstanding in my interpretation of your remarks. I have now duly adjusted my comment above, in line with your very clear explanation. Perhaps there is counselling available, through the right channels, if you feel this episode has left you or your hair traumatised or damaged. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:18, 5 February 2020 (UTC)
 * The pigtail phenomena is somewhat undefined. The significance of pigtails is not known in a general sense. This is similar to the conundrum that sometimes arises concerning images for ledes of articles. Generalizations about images are valid up to a point. But beyond that point they are "over-generalizations". Bus stop (talk) 19:48, 5 February 2020 (UTC)
 * I would not want to suggest for one moment that the significance of pigtails is known in a general sense or that the pigtail phenomena is well defined. Perhaps someone should look at the lead images in the articles of all people who are known to wear, or have ever worn pigtails, and see if there is an effect. I'm not even sure if Sanna Marin is a candidate. (Notwithstanding the likelihood that we will never obtain a copyright-compliant image of her wearing this hair style). I can confirm that, to the best of my knowledge Yul Brynner never wore pigtails. Nor did Friedrich Engels. To name but two. But then they weren't from Scandinavia. I guess we can rule out payot, even though they don't involve real pigs, of course. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:03, 5 February 2020 (UTC)
 * We have a wiktionary entry for payout. Bus stop (talk) 20:15, 5 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Please thank Mr Wales very much but, along with most editors here, I offer my services completely free of charge. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:24, 5 February 2020 (UTC)

End of the World
I don't feel it is alternative do you? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.58.227.23 (talk) 20:18, 4 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Best to discuss at Talk:It's the End of the World as We Know It (And I Feel Fine), if anywhere, I guess. But genres tend to be a bit subjective... what's "alternative rock" to one critic might be "post-punk" to another pundit. I sometimes wish genres were actually banned at Wikipedia, at least in the infobox. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:29, 4 February 2020 (UTC)
 * You now seem to be mindlessly edit warring with multiple sockpuppets? So it may be the "End of Your Wikipedia as You Know It", quite soon. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:09, 4 February 2020 (UTC)
 * They won’t let me. Why don’t u bring it up? For now, let’s call it classic rock. — Preceding unsigned comment added by LosinMyReligionNOTFolk (talk • contribs) 22:15, 4 February 2020 (UTC)
 * "I sometimes wish genres were actually banned at Wikipedia, at least in the infobox." But I've started a thread at Talk:It's the End of the World as We Know It (And I Feel Fine). But don't be surprised if you get blocked for edit warring / sock puppetry. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:22, 4 February 2020 (UTC)

Do the same for Losing My Religion and Don't Stop Believing please. — Preceding unsigned comment added by PopSoulMusic (talk • contribs) 04:55, 5 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks for flagging up your areas of interest. I'll think over your polite request. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:05, 5 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Ok, I thought it over. It seems you are a block-evading sockpuppet vandal. So no. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:08, 5 February 2020 (UTC)

'Not a niche'
How about the hammer-throw? Is that not a niche?

BTW, shudn't it be Pole-vault or Pole-vaulting? (And why all the caps?)
 * Dziękuję – Sca (talk) 15:19, 10 February 2020 (UTC)


 * I guess there's niche and really niche. Anything between "3.05 m (10 ft 0 in) and 5.30 m (17 ft 5 in)" sounds like quite a big niche to me. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:01, 10 February 2020 (UTC)

I hear they're all vaulting. – Sca (talk) 17:00, 10 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Good news for Lodz I guess. But yes, finding a good plumber will be a lot more difficult. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:09, 10 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Pronounced Woodzh, by the way. The accent marks (Łódź) make the L a W, the O an OOH and the Z a ZH or ZSH. The Nazis tried calling it Litzmannstadt but somehow that failed to catch on. – Sca (talk) 18:54, 10 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes, of course, not a niche but a woodzh: [[File:Pl-Łódź-2.ogg]] Martinevans123 (talk) 19:11, 10 February 2020 (UTC)

Toxic discussions
Hello - as someone who has conducted discussions in a polite and civil way regarding the article 'Death of Harry Dunn' may I note my appreciation given the toxic behaviour of others (please see )--SnowyMalone (talk) 19:15, 10 February 2020 (UTC)
 * That's a shame. A bit of a misunderstanding, it seems. I hope you two can sort it out. I see you have only just started as a registered editor, after a bit if IP editing. So well done for doing that, and I wish you well. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:27, 10 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I can not begin to imagine what generated the aggression of that contributor. Am considering whether or not to continue on Wikipedia as I have no interest in engaging with such people.--SnowyMalone (talk) 19:53, 10 February 2020 (UTC)
 * If there is a wrong end of any stick, editors can usually find a way to get hold of it. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:02, 10 February 2020 (UTC)


 * (watching:) everytime you read "toxic" here, remember that it says much more about the one who uses it than anything else. Please stay, and Martin's page is a great refuge ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:43, 10 February 2020 (UTC)


 * Yes, please stay. And you're very welcome here if you like both Brittney and Vivaldi. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:48, 10 February 2020 (UTC)


 * Today, we have the kiss of brutalist and peace, so to speak. - Deaths: 4 deaths to deal with in 2 days, that was hard. SnowyMalone, want to help? Look in Deaths in 2020 for a name that interests you in the top section - everything below can get stressful - see if it's good (everything cited, not too short, decent prose) of if not if you can make it so, and then go to WP:ITNN and nominate for the Main page. You'll see my name there more than I like. Today Mirella Freni, was like this. Don't miss the video. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:06, 10 February 2020 (UTC)
 * What an incredible church! Martinevans123 (talk) 22:13, 10 February 2020 (UTC)
 * And the architect celebrated 100! - Did you see the pic I took? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:49, 10 February 2020 (UTC)
 * You will have to show me. Martinevans123 (talk)
 * Hello Martin, hello Gerda - thank you for the supportive comments, which are greatly appreciated ... and Martin's 'toxic' links added some valuable levity. Whilst being conscious of not wishing to dwell on the toxicity, you may note that the individual has recently responded on my Talk page to comments from another contributor but continues with his claims that it was me who was being confrontational, doesn't recognise his toxic behaviour (he just weasely notes 'If you feel I was biting..') and doesn't even communicate to me. I've removed these comments from him and will not engage with him further.  — Preceding unsigned comment added by SnowyMalone (talk • contribs) 11:45, 11 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Well, your own Talk page is usually largely to do with as you please. But yes editors do often start to converse. Personally, I might have been tempted to keep that apology. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:51, 11 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Perhaps I'd have kept if an apology was made to me. Anyway, I see no value in further communication with him .. far more preferable is with constructive individuals (you, Gerda and a few others inc. ones who popped up on my Talk page) — Preceding unsigned comment added by SnowyMalone (talk • contribs) 11:56, 11 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Fair enough. Yes. some useful advice there. I sometimes wish that, as an "encyclopedia" there should be some moratorium on adding any news the same day it's published. It's quite ironic that I started editing here with a keen interest in historical topics. But the past 13 years have seen me demonstrate a steady slide towards In the News and other such sleb goss trash! Martinevans123 (talk)

In the news
Welcome excuse to get away from the thread header. - Lately, I became one of those "latest news" editors, did you know? Two recent deaths (RD) 2 days ago, together, two today, together. All deserving, imho, a conductor, a Holocaust survivor, an actor (whom everybody seems to know for the transsexual role), a soprano. 2 of the 4 I knew by name, 1 of those I saw, conducting. Should I have left the other 2 to their misery, and thus not being exposed. - On the Main page now a Cassandra's work, translated as Fall-Out. The author was also in the RD section. - Older news; it's interesting to observe that when you are called disruptive you often think the other one is, no? - On my talk page, I delete or shorten bot messages, nothing else. What I do when I don't like something is archive fast ;) - SnowyMalone, please sign your posts on talk pages. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:40, 11 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Gerda, yes, people keep dying. And many deserve to be remembered. You seem to be able to successfully combine useful ITN/RD updates with more in-depth creation of important musical topics. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:15, 11 February 2020 (UTC)
 * blushing - I tried in-depth here, but ... - You wanted to be pointed to "my" image in the church article: it features a flower. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:03, 11 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Ah yes, a great image. Hmmm, some pretty intense editing at that other article. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:10, 11 February 2020 (UTC)
 * same for the cloud, see my talk, look for disruption, - just as I said a little above ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:41, 11 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Oh dear. That doesn't seem quite right. I'd have thought a German book deserved a German title. Your trouble reminds me of that great English play Verlorene Liebesmüh. I think the guy was called Wilhelm Speer-Schüttle, or something like that? "These Krauts, comin' over ere, nickin' our jokes...." Martinevans123 (talk) 21:17, 11 February 2020 (UTC)
 * You could move it back, if you see it the same way. After the first revert, there should have been a discussion. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:27, 11 February 2020 (UTC)
 * I was thinking of commenting over at Talk:Die Wolke. But I see that sense has now prevailed. I see nothing wrong with the infobox there, either. After all, we seem to have one for all sorts of books! Martinevans123 (talk) 21:33, 11 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes, sorry, to bother you, - I go my watchlist from newest down, so you came first. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:51, 11 February 2020 (UTC)
 * ps: 2017 DYK: "... that Nicholas Nabokov composed an opera Love's Labour's Lost, setting the same play by Shakespeare as the fictional hero of Mann's Doctor Faustus, "in a spirit of the most artificial mockery"?" --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:54, 11 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Haha. No, I didn't know. Thanks for that. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:03, 11 February 2020 (UTC)
 * I wonder how many DYK I made mentioning peace, - should perhaps collect them. Singing Pärt again! The Deer's Cry! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:29, 14 February 2020 (UTC)
 * How wonderful. Here's one on YT from VOCES8 at St Vedast Foster Lane (2019). Beautiful. Martinevans123 (talk) 23:36, 14 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Looking forward to listning to a concert with voces8 in June! - article needs work ... --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:54, 15 February 2020 (UTC)

Death of Harry Dunn
Hello Martin - the behaviour of a certain contributor: ?!??!?!? Any idea what is going on? --SnowyMalone (talk) 23:05, 12 February 2020 (UTC)
 * No, I'm a little baffled. I'm not sure why that section has suddenly become such a problem in terms of "relevance and importance" just now. The new material was added two days ago and has been discussed extensively since. Martinevans123 (talk) 23:12, 12 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Hello Martin - as I noted to him on the Talk page, his recent actions are suggestive of being peevish after others disagreed with his views when discussed on the Talk page (these about 'admitted' and the inclusion of the 'Is she CIA' text). Of course, do not know if this explanation is true, but what else is there ... desperate attempt at another reason to support his 'view'??? --SnowyMalone (talk) 23:18, 12 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Not sure. Seems to be in a minority position on those two points at the moment. And I'm pretty sure "said" and "stated" aren't the only permissible variant words for that article. Martinevans123 (talk) 23:24, 12 February 2020 (UTC)


 * Thanks for picking up my recent mistake re. October / February. Don't know how it happened, but clearly February is correct. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SnowyMalone (talk • contribs) 23:49, 12 February 2020 (UTC)


 * I think this intervention at PMQs elevates notability of the entire topic considerably. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:32, 13 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Hello Martin - I suspect there are very few who would disagree. The reason for this one person's disagreement remains unclear, although their behaviour on this subject and previous on the same Talk page are consistent with trolling, and specifically a mix of a 'Why Is This News Troll', a 'Broken Record Troll' and an 'Affected Profundity Troll'.--SnowyMalone (talk) 14:19, 13 February 2020 (UTC)


 * One can only assume that DeFacto doesn't waste his time looking at my Talk page. But in case he does, I'd just like to say we are very fortunate to have such a sincere and able editor there who is so well-versed in Wikipedia's guidelines and policies. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:22, 13 February 2020 (UTC)


 * I've got no real problem with "police revealed details" as opposed to "police gave details". I understood The Independent to mean "reveal" in the sense of "promulgate facts not previously made public", and not in sense of the Paul-Daniels-and-the-lovely-Debbie-McGee "reveal". Martinevans123 (talk) 17:44, 13 February 2020 (UTC)

Island of love
Ever been to Llanddwyn? – Sca (talk) 14:39, 13 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Does the Tunnel of Love at Barry Island count?? Martinevans123 (talk) 16:19, 13 February 2020 (UTC)
 * No, you have to go to Ukraine for that. – Sca (talk) 17:18, 13 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Don't get me started!! Martinevans123 (talk) 17:30, 13 February 2020 (UTC)
 * UK-specific issue? Never heard of it over here. – Sca (talk) 17:45, 13 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes, "leaves on the line" has become a standard meme-type joke across the UK for "feeble excuse for not providing a basic level of service." But I think it's great they're now busy chopping down all the trees between London and Birmingham. 17:50, 13 February 2020 (UTC)

Apropos:
 * Let's hope all the carriages will have good 5G. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:18, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Who needs 'em? – all they do is produce oxygen. BTW, over here we do have railroads lined by trees and other living things. – Sca (talk) 18:04, 13 February 2020 (UTC)
 * We often have a lot of livings things lined up inside the train. But I guess it's all relative. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:04, 13 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Yikes. Reminds me of some of Paul Theroux's train-travel books. Recommended. You also might like his The Kingdom by the Sea for its local colour. – Sca (talk) 19:25, 13 February 2020 (UTC)
 * That looks interesting, thanks. Am a big fan of his documentary-making lad. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:27, 13 February 2020 (UTC)

My little contrib to the day is Alte Liebe, - the other one started but not gotten far, + there's real life, and real death. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:59, 14 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks do much, Gerda! Ah yes, real life. You're a heroine. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:05, 14 February 2020 (UTC)
 * I read that book out to my father. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:46, 14 February 2020 (UTC)



Did you know ...

... that Elke Heidenreich, two-time winner of the Grimme television award, wrote the book Nero Corleone featuring a tomcat as the bullying protagonist?

15 February 2020 (her birthday) Now the author with a passion for books and opera is on the Main page ;) - on her birthday. Best photos in the NZZ interview. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:33, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Nice work. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:25, 15 February 2020 (UTC)


 * Today: a bird that is normally only heard, acting on stage (well, it was the right balcony, to be precise, for most of the time, until she walked with him, carrying a little backpack) - the last reminiscence of the impossible made possible. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:35, 19 February 2020 (UTC)


 * Today: Passio, in love with passion, Passion and Pärt. (I actually heard the performance in that church, DYK?) Further below: we'll sing his deer's cry (again), and a great new O salutaris hostia (not by him), and about the secrets, - a funeral tomorrow. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:38, 26 February 2020 (UTC)


 * Today's Alte Liebe became especially meaningful after yesterday's funeral. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:38, 28 February 2020 (UTC)


 * Ah, hope all went well. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:40, 28 February 2020 (UTC)


 * Yes. Pictured church packed, and good conversations, with people I rarely see. I didn't know the song they played, and de-tagged the article. Everybody sems to know it. Moving history, now in some references. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:00, 28 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Had never yet heard Herbert Grönemeyer. A great track. A great voice. Reminds me of our Kevin (but more tuneful of course!). Martinevans123 (talk) 17:34, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

Valentine's Day thanks

 * That's such a lovely surprise. Thanks so much! "Wikipedia is like a box o' chocklits, you never know what you gonna get". Martinevans123 (talk) 23:04, 14 February 2020 (UTC)

Filibustering, distracting from the main edits, and bad faith negotiating
Hey, I'm not sure if this is your intention or not and if you purposefully do this or not, but it feels like you are filibustering by blocking any compromise edits we were working on. Instead of working together and making an edit which shared both our views, it feels like you've distracted the discussion away with talks about indenting, bad faith negotiating, and an overall non-cooperative attitude. Instead of worrying about my semicolons in front of my comments we should focus on the content at hand. That includes the topic of us making some great progress I was proud for us to almost have until it felt like you backed out on your end. This upsets me, I thought we could both be heard in the article but I get the feeling that you aren't being a team player. What else do you need for us to continue? 194.247.60.2 (talk) 07:52, 19 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Hello IP 194. I’m very sorry if you feel I have done any of those things deliberately. I am guessing that you are referring to LGBT rights in the United Arab Emirates, although it’s hard to know for sure without any diffs. Since I last edited that article, on 29 January 2020, there has been a whole series of edits, back and forth, by a number of different editors, not me. The article has now been protected by User:El C with this edit summary: “Persistent disruptive editing: pending changes not working as intended”. So I may not be the best person to complain to. By the way, is there any reason why you can’t register as an editor? You might find your efforts more positively received. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:48, 19 February 2020 (UTC)

Needoop? Boop. Bleep
Martian Evans, who he? I think we should be told. Bleep bleep DBaK (talk) 15:21, 19 February 2020 (UTC)
 * It's not all it's cracked up to be, you know. Arachnaphobevans123 (talk) 15:28, 19 February 2020 (UTC)

Sorry
Hello Martinevans123, I'm sorry that I forgot to add the edit summary(actually for three times).I thought Wales is not a nationality,and some anonymous users who also didn't add the edit summary changed his nationality into Wales. So, I think I was wrong. It'll be OK if I enter the edit summary? Thank you. If you enter 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿, it'll show the flag, so... Awaiting your quick response. Aziraphale yu (talk) 18:32, 20 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi Aziraphale yu. Thanks for your note. Don't worry, it's easy to forget stuff when you are a new editor. Just try and remember to use edit summaries in future. Yes, I'm sure the flag looks great! But we don't use them in that field in infoboxes. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:17, 20 February 2020 (UTC)

Halifax
Hello! Sorry but your last edit on the Halifax page makes no sense from a prose point of view; "It had ben revealed that been shocked at the revelation that violent crime in the city centre had risen". May need a rewrite? Thanks and regards. The joy of all things (talk) 12:22, 21 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Many thanks for telling me. Not sure how that happened. It should make some sense now, although whether it belongs in the "Culture" section, or indeed whether is too out of date to be included, are valid questions. What is your view? Martinevans123 (talk) 12:27, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

Wallan
I wonder what Paul Theroux would have to say about this. In The Old Patagonian Express he talks rather nervously about train wrecks. But like a good literary soldier he kept on taking trains. – Sca (talk) 18:37, 21 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Ah yes, good old WP:ITN.... dontch'a just love it. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:41, 21 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Seems our Chocolate friend has trains on the brain. – Sca (talk) 18:45, 21 February 2020 (UTC)
 * I sometimes think that ITN is about as useful (to an encyclopedia) as a chocolate fireguard. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:49, 21 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Or as useful as a chocolate soldier is to an army . – Sca (talk) 15:24, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

80s Ferry
I'm not sure he gets his due, man was still in his 30s and at a peak. I well remember, aged 12, thinking he was cool as f*** at live aid, with his quiff, two mikes, tasty birds, and what have you. I'm a straight white man, but Brian Ferry is and was always: hmm. Ceoil (talk) 21:38, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Tut-tut, Ceoil. You are getting suspiciously conventional in your old age! Speaking as a rocking black lesbian, I'm far more comfortable with his early more radical period. This was just shocking. (Note: very groovy camera effects, and Eno with hair and gloves) Martinevans123 (talk) 21:55, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm auld black hooded Irish Queen in many ways Martin, but to say, ah Virginia Plain; c 1984 it was one of the first times I realised what music could do. The original Top of the Pops performance is a stone classic. There Brian Eno was creaking out (flash Gordon type) sounds it took me decades to figure out...until I came to appreciate the BBC workshop. Ceoil  (talk) 22:05, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes, a classic. Great minds etc. And here he is 42 years later in 2014. Still as cool as you like. The Peel Sessions of Roxy, from 4 January 1972, are well worth a listen (Vibracobra23 Ennui), very Velvet Underground. I'd link here, but copyvio of course. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:23, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Putting this here given the week thats in it; what an articulate and knowledgeable man he was. Genius doesn't grow on trees. Ceoil  (talk) 22:36, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
 * also: Ceoil  (talk) 22:41, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks for those. I must admit he rather passed me by. Some great New Order remixes. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:30, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Imagine my dissapointed that you are not actually all knowing after all (joking: in seriousness I have learned a huge amount from your talk page). Re Wetherall or acid house in general, skip to 26:36. Dont like the long hair dude at the start, but the rest of it is great and may give incite into this period of dance culture. Ceoil  (talk) 01:27, 2 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Cheers mate. Wetherall was included in last week's Last Word, which concluded with an extract from his mix of Saint Etienne's "Only Love Can Break Your Heart": . Martinevans123 (talk) 12:27, 2 March 2020 (UTC)
 * I always though that cover was a bit bloodless and sterile, the remix doesn't change my mind. Ceoil  (talk) 08:03, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
 * I must admit, I don't exactly get a rush, either. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:16, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Its the internet so nobody is reading, but Moring comes is the best song on that album - what lovely harmonics. That said, by temperament, I'm more of a Ambulance blues man myself; Rusty Kershaw's parts are mind blowingly dark. Ceoil  (talk) 10:38, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes, I know what you mean. I put him up alongside Richard Thompson (almost) for stuff like this. Transcendental. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:45, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Yup and I understand they were smoking very heavy skunk in 73-74, and Young, who is not an easy man to get on with, was coming up with lines like "Its easy to get buried in the past,...when you try and make a good thing last". Almost enough for a man to go deep, deep on the harmonica. Ceoil  (talk) 10:38, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Haha, yes. "I still can't remember when, Or how I lost my way." Martinevans123 (talk) 10:51, 7 March 2020 (UTC) .... a mere 7 mins 29, it could easily go on twice as long (and, I guess, often did in concert)
 * Speaking of Richard Thompson, back when we all had tapes, I had an even more spine chilling live version of, which is lost to me now. They are often compared, but not sure Sinead O'Connor has the same emotional range. Ceoil  (talk) 11:24, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
 * That sounds good. Sharing a house as a student, I had the room at the top and the only one that had access to a very suspect-looking rickety old fire-escape (that none of us ever felt brave enough to climb). The room window was ill-secured. I returned from a weekend away, late one Sunday night, to discover that my collection of over thirty C90s and C120s (most of which were full of rare Peel Sessions and Fluff Freeman Saturday Rockshow tracks (that I had illegally taped off the radio) had all been stolen. Wow, that was a bit annoying. Was it any coincidence that, over that weekend, the other housemates had been visited by the landlord and his two teenage sons? I'll never know. But I'm still annoyed, all these decades later. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:41, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Sound like you needed to get medieval on their asses. Re peel....our equivalent at the time was Dave Fanning, but apart from U2 or The Frames, he never broke anything as significant as the definitive version of The Fall's "Jerusalem". ps, re the frames [ [[User talk:Ceoil| Ceoil ]] (talk) 11:51, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
 * That's a nice track. Peel's stuff has now become more available, so the pain has subsided somewhat. But it was other first plays of unknown stuff, and older stuff from Fluff, that hurt for many years, lol. It was more the hours I had spent, even though it was all "illegal", of course. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:05, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
 * I also have hundreds of hours of stuff on tape, "illegal" stolen from radio, and now all valueless contraband in cardboard in my attic. Mostly Queen, Fall, Wedding Present, acid house. Ceoil  (talk) 12:12, 7 March 2020 (UTC)

Happily going to see the wonderful Irish mezzo as Carmen tonight, real music, no tapes. Saw her last (also this year) as Pénélope, quite a different character ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:57, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Hmm, Fauré . Lucky you, Gerda. Ceoil  (talk) 16:37, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
 * that's what I feel I am, - really great to live close to one of the best operas in the world. She was extraordinary again! Another Barrie Kosky production, - they solved the question spoken dialogue vs. the later composed recitatives by a third way: narration in French by a female voice, from the novella on which it is based. It worked. Carmen rose in the end, and shrugged ;) 12 pics --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:37, 7 March 2020 (UTC)

Elephant? What Elephant?
It's not the elephant in the room that counts, it's the bear. – Sca (talk) 17:55, 27 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes, seems old Goldilocks has indeed got his work cut out. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:45, 28 February 2020 (UTC)
 * The part I like is, "is never seen again." We should be s lucky. – Sca (talk) 15:10, 28 February 2020 (UTC)
 * I officially declare it a panicdemic. – Sca (talk) 15:06, 28 February 2020 (UTC)
 * and for disco fans everywhere..... "Didn't have a dime, but I always had a vision. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:15, 28 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Question is, how widespread is this panicdemic? – Sca (talk) 15:53, 28 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks for that! An interesting band. Great to see the guy now in charge over there is the one who said smoking doesn't kill people. Guess you'll soon all be very grateful for that appointment? Martinevans123 (talk) 16:00, 28 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Some will stay young forever, they say. – Sca (talk) 16:07, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

I agreed
...with your edit at Roger Deakins, but did not have the boldness to do that. You might—for sake of its longevity, revert it temporarily, and return it later... because I expect my much larger editing will trigger some strong, possibly revertive responses, responses wherein your contribution might get lost. (All, here, are not as accepting and nice as RD.) Cheers. 2601:246:C700:19D:EDF4:ADF1:A260:BF0F (talk) 22:21, 28 February 2020 (UTC)


 * I can only guess you meant this edit. If it gets reverted, I'll just restore it, thanks. Still not sure why "Personal life" is at the bottom, as I've said at Talk:Roger Deakins. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:36, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

Dalquharran Castle
Evening Martin - Is Reflinks working for you at the moment? For me, it won't let me connect to Wikipedia. With ReFill on the blink again, I'm completely stymied. If it is, could you run the tool over the above article. The look of the refs. is driving me mad! Many thanks. KJP1 (talk) 17:40, 29 February 2020 (UTC)


 * Hi KJP. Well, just worked fine for me over at Llantilio Crossenny. But this one says:
 * "Can't retrieve page https://britishlistedbuildings.co.uk/200330330-dalquharran-castle-including-stable-range-dailly : "
 * So not sure what's going on. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:54, 29 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes, I saw you'd used it at Llantilio (I Love Hen Gwrt!) and wondered if it was me, or the page. It won't let me Connect, telling me there's a problem in a python script - whatever the hell that is! How very odd and frustrating. KJP1 (talk) 17:58, 29 February 2020 (UTC)
 * ReFill also seems to be hung up at the moment. So you might have to resort to Ye Olde Fashioned method? I never have any problems with my python scripts! Martinevans123 (talk) 18:05, 29 February 2020 (UTC)

List of Baptist churches in Leicester
Thanks for you're great work at List of Baptist churches in Leicester. Am I correct in assuming that you believe the it should be kept? While a closer might also see that, at AfDs it probably is best to express directly at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Baptist churches in Leicester by stating what you believe the outcome should be (e.g. Keep, Delete, Merge, etc) Djflem (talk) 12:31, 1 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi Djflem, thanks for your note. Yes, very probably:
 * "Keep or possibly merge into Places of worship in Leicester. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:39, 27 January 2020 (UTC)"
 * Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:35, 1 March 2020 (UTC)

Snickers
Are you offended by this? Anyway, Llanfair­pwllgwyngyll­gogery­chwyrn­drobwll­llan­tysilio­gogo­goch does look like a cat sat on a keyboard (only joking disclaimer to avoid allegations of racism).-- ♦Ian Ma c M♦  (talk to me) 08:36, 4 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes, the Welsh language can be a bit of a marathon, can't it. Do they actually have chocolate in North Wales?? Shucks, I always thought it was called Snwcrs. Just watch your Liberace cat mate, or I'l send the Llap Gogh lads round..... Martinevans123 (talk) 08:52, 4 March 2020 (UTC)  p.s. you can't beat a nice bit of Welsh pussy....
 * Or fancy a trip to AN/I perhaps?? My good mate User:Kees08 will probably be able sort one out for you surprisingly promptly. --"Racist Fiddler 123" (talk) 23:37, 4 March 2020 (UTC)

Café
In view of the not-quite-a-pandemic-yet, I'm having a PICC (peripherally inserted central catheter) installed in my left arm, so I can receive coffee intravenously. If that doesn't work, I may have to take more drastic steps. – Sca (talk) 18:48, 6 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Q: What’s the opposite of coffee?
 * A: Sneezy.
 * Martinevans123 (talk) 20:00, 6 March 2020 (UTC)
 * 100% genuine photographs that I took in the shops here.-- ♦Ian Ma c M♦  (talk to me) 20:11, 6 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Don't worry, 40 gleaming new BoJo Hospitals just around the fiscal corner. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:21, 6 March 2020 (UTC)


 * Update: – Will have a second PICC installed in right arm for evening therapy. – Sca (talk) 15:13, 7 March 2020 (UTC)

ITN recognition for McCoy Tyner

 * Thanks. His playing will always be one of my favourite things. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:03, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

ANI notice
There is currently a discussion at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. -- Kees08  (Talk)   00:07, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
 * So I have a "racial slur history" for using certain words. You can just trawl back through my edit history and hand-pick those bad words context free? It's not as if they were used as part of conversations, between engaged parties. You think I have used those words just to deliberately offend people, and not perhaps in weak attempts at jokes (however misguided, or "missing a mark" judged by later observers)? You don't think that the piped link I used to 2020 coronavirus outbreak on cruise ships wasn't the point I was trying to make... the point that it's possible to see world pandemics in a racially intolerant way, e.g. to blame the Chinese for deliberately trying to bring down Western economies in some kind of evil world domination plan? You know, if you were really offended by that C-word, or feared that any Chinese friends might be similarly offended, you could have just asked me to remove it, instead of opening your AN/I thread? You could still do that now. Which do you think might be the most effective way of avoiding any possible offense? But if you are determined to characterise me as a hateful racial bigot, I'm not sure I can really stop you. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 07:56, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
 * p.s. how exactly did you read "You're missing a diagnosis" as a "personal attack"? My intended meaning was this: You're missing a diagnosis. But I thought another piped link would be too obvious and an insult to your intelligence. Martinevans123 (talk) 08:03, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
 * p.p.s. perhaps a more obvious link would have been to this: "Darned Chinks" (and, yes, the Brit version would have been "Ruddy Chinkies"). That was the general point I was trying to make. But maybe I would have then been set upon by Trump supporters? By all means feel free to trace my "Trump link history." Martinevans123 (talk) 10:40, 11 March 2020 (UTC)

Trout for inappropriate racial slurs

 * Thanks, Lightburst. I won't ask you to sign your contribution. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:55, 11 March 2020 (UTC)


 * Cultural sensitivity is now the order of the day. The Doctor Who serial The Talons of Weng-Chiang is in the news, because it comes with a warning on BritBox about racial stereotyping. This might have been velly acceptable in 1977, but nowadays some people take offence, as we saw with Snickers last week. Here is a screenshot from Britbox. By the way, Love Thy Neighbour, Till Death Us Do Part and It Ain't Half Hot Mum are all banned from BritBox. Old timers like us may remember these television shows, but they have been tipped down a memory hole. And don't expect to see any of the Fu Manchu films on television nowadays.-- ♦Ian Ma c M♦  (talk to me) 06:04, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Ah right, a trout, not "something much more evil and sinister". Is that too fishist? Martinevans123 (talk) 08:38, 11 March 2020 (UTC) ....
 * not in the mood, sorry, missing DBigXray among too many others, I have a composer on the Main page whose article was a complete copyvio (unless a publisher copied from here which is also possible) until I looked today, + a family member was born in Wuhan, DYK? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:33, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks for reminding us why we're here. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:43, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Did you see the video? Wish we'd had so much space when we performed it. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:03, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
 * I will watch when I'm feeling more charitable. At the moment, it seems, I have been given a party I didn't really want. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:09, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
 * The text he set most astonishingly translates to: "hostile armies press". - All sources say he IS professor, but looks like he silently retired. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:14, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Also, I really like the film 7 Faces of Dr. Lao but it hasn't been shown on television for years because it is considered to contain a velly stereotyped depiction of a Chinese man by Tony Randall. The Irish Mirror article here has used "ch**k" because the full version is often considered unacceptable nowadays.-- ♦Ian Ma c M♦  (talk to me) 12:57, 11 March 2020 (UTC)

Martin, I realise it is quite out of character for me to be serious on your talk page, but the best way to end this is to say something like "It was a bit of lighthearted humour directed at another user who would take it in good spirit. It was never intended to directly antagonise and I apologise if anyone took offence." Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  13:02, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes, extremely out of character. Thanks for your very sensible advice. I'd be more than happy to add exactly that and to risk the further accusation of just toeing the line at an Admin's bidding. But that explanation is 100% accurate. I'm just amazed at the number of "disgusting racial abuse" comments that have sprung up. I hope I have made my intentions, however misguided, clear above. But perhaps intentions and context count for nothing these days. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:32, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Seems I got there just in time (?) Didn't realise there was an unseen clock running. It's not nice to be labelled as a racist bigot, is it. But at least I'm not Welsh, eh? oh, hang on..... Martinevans123 (talk) 14:02, 11 March 2020 (UTC)


 * Ah, nice. Thrown away. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:05, 11 March 2020 (UTC)

- Facetious question based on the article heading: What would be appropriate racial slurs, just so we know? Chaheel Riens (talk) 14:51, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
 * "Stupid White Men". Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  14:58, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure it's yet a requirement for AN/I participants to give any indication of racial origin. But one is prompted to ask "Can Blue Men Sing the Whites"? I was told, in no uncertain terms, after my first and only contribution to that thread, after your kind and sensible advice, to "stop digging". (And that came after Grapple X had told everyone to "Call a spade a spade"). Martinevans123 (talk) 15:10, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
 * I just read WP:NOTCENSORED and WP:USERTALKBLOG - for future reference, can someone point me to the policy that was violated, please? <span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">Atsme Talk 📧 19:22, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
 * They'll be right back with an answer for that one.  Cassianto Talk  19:45, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Most likely it would be under WP:NPA, WP:EQ, or WP:IUC. Personally I do not see it as something to take action against given the situation and response. Thats coming from someone that has been called a chink for racist reasons even though I am Korean. PackMecEng (talk) 20:06, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
 * And AFAIAC, you are loved, PackMecEng. ❤️ <span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">Atsme Talk 📧 22:29, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Ah no, not Korean! Don't get me started. Please insert your own "apologies-to-all-cabbages" joke here. I can't risk using the K-word, can I. But thank you for actually understanding. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:57, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Kimchi is in fact amazing, I cannot lie. PackMecEng (talk) 23:10, 11 March 2020 (UTC)
 * I can lie. But usually choose not to, in preference to the awkward truth. Thanks for telling me, you must try some of this when you can. But seriously .... that Kim guy? Hasn't even got a proper Hitler moustache. And don't get me started on those Northern "Gogs", either.... (pre-emptive apologies to cheeses everywhere). Wheeltappers and Shunters123 (talk) 23:24, 11 March 2020 (UTC)

Racial slurs - closing of ANI
When closed the Racial slurs topic here, it said that "Martinevans123 (talk · contribs) is formally warned that future incidents of using racial slurs as humour will be met by very funny indefinite blocks."

I am guessing they got busy with something else, because I didn't see this posted here, so here you go... just so we're all on the same page. I think it's entirely likely that this is light-hearted banter to you, but "racial slurs are offensive. You might have innocent alternate uses for them, but they're still offensive to broad populations of people, as well as to people who don't see the humour in putting people down."

Best of luck,–CaroleHenson (talk) 20:16, 11 March 2020 (UTC)


 * Thank you Carole, that's very courteous of you. Unfortunately, it seems we've been very much on two separate pages. I guess Ivan was too busy throwing away my apology. "Light-hearted banter?" I guess that depends on who one thinks one is bantering with. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:21, 11 March 2020 (UTC)


 * That makes me feel better about your intention. I hope that there's a part of you that takes a beat or two before speaking / typing. Who needs this craziness (so many people upset) in one's life?–CaroleHenson (talk) 20:28, 11 March 2020 (UTC)


 * Offence is not given, it is taken. You can't apologise for something that wasn't given, and you can't apologise on behalf of someone who has taken offence at something that wasn't intended. So an apology just doesn't work in this scenario. If you did apologise for the sake of appeasing someone who has taken offence at something that you didn't intend, you'd end up apologising on behalf of them for their actions, and that is offensive. You couldn't make it up.  Cassianto Talk  20:43, 11 March 2020 (UTC)


 * Gosh, that does sound complicated. But it now makes Threesie's genuine advice sound so much more worthwhile. Still, at least Ivan had a good laugh about it. Apologies to Tsars everywhere. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:51, 11 March 2020 (UTC)

Racial humor
I saw the discussion about your "racist joke". You are a king, and it was definitely humorous. Velvet (talk) 16:02, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your message. Ah yes, no doubt. But feeling more like the prince at the moment, unfortunately. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:29, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
 * I guess eventually the word kowtow will be deemed a racist insult. Regrettable that what was intended to be a comment on US public health policy, to another like-minded editor, with no intended racial connotations, means that I've now been painted as a racist who enjoys insulting all Chinese people. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:29, 12 March 2020 (UTC)


 * For light entertainment, here's an extract from the website www.whitehouse.gov:
 * Q   Mr. President, have you been briefed that up to 100 million Americans would ultimately be exposed to the virus?
 * THE PRESIDENT: I’ve been briefed on every contingency you can possibly imagine.  Many contingencies.  A lot of —
 * Q   But that number.
 * THE PRESIDENT: — a lot of positive.  Different numbers.  All different numbers.  Very large numbers.  And some small numbers too, by the way.
 * Look, right now, I guess we’re at 26 deaths, and if you look at the flu — the flu, for this year — we’re at 8 mil- — we’re looking at 8,000 deaths. And, you know, hundreds of thousands of cases, but we have 8,000 deaths.  So you have 8,000 versus 26 deaths, at this time.
 * With all of that being said, we’re taking this unbelievably seriously, and I think we’re doing a really good job. And, again, the task force, headed up by the Vice President, has been fantastic.

Please drop it.
Martin - please, just drop it. I understand you feel sore, and nobody who knows you, or doesn’t have an axe to grind, thinks you meant the initial comment to be offensive. But continuing to argue the point on other editors’ talk pages will just prolong it and won’t be productive. Now, I’ve got a Featured list up that you may be interested in. Or not! All the best. KJP1 (talk) 21:43, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the advice, KJP1. And for the kind invitation. I'm surprised by your rather stern tone, which I'm not used to. My brief discussion with Slatersteven was quite productive. That with Praxidicae somewhat less so. I've tried to explain the intention and context around that throw-away misplaced joke comment, involving a old-fashioned five-letter pantomime word. I offered to User:Kees08 to remove the comment. I agreed with Ritchie to offer an apology. But it seems I arrived at AN/I three minutes too late and my apology was swiftly thrown away. Meanwhile, I have Carole comparing my comments to a "recent incident on a subway train when a person of Asian descent was sprayed." Perhaps you have also been wrongly accused of being a racist. In which case you may know how sore that feeling is. I'm really not sure where this "list of forbidden words" is going at Wikipedia. Your contributions are always so well thought-out and elegant. Your sources are always well selected. I'm sure you deserve all the FA articles you propose! Martinevans123 (talk) 22:17, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Martin - I'm sorry. I didn't mean to come across as stern. Another instance of the limitations of this medium! And you're right; I do have form in this space, albeit tangential. Over the last few months, I've seen some good friends walk away, hopefully temporarily, when issues escalated, and I didn't want to see it happen again. All the best. KJP1 (talk) 07:30, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
 * A tangential form in space sounds very balletic! Thanks for your message. Will try and take look. Martinevans123 (talk) 23:43, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Having had the pleasure of a sit down and pint with KJP1 a couple of years ago, I can assure you Martin that he is a gentleman and the last person to be all stern like. Its the like of me you need to watch out for. Ceoil  (talk) 20:33, 15 March 2020 (UTC)
 * I'll bear that in mind! Thanks Ceoil. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:50, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Martin, please don't turf me off your Talkpage quite now! I've an Inkling there may be more to flag up yet. KJP1 (talk) 22:33, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
 * You're so not a racist. Anyone who claims otherwise has a very superficial and, frankly, inoperable concept of racism. If you can manage to censor yourself from posting what some predictably will call out as [X]-ist, all the better, if not, we'll just be back here again, explaining that even a bot could have done a better job at determining whether you are [X]-ist or not. ---Sluzzelin talk  22:43, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm finding it hard to come up with music with weight equal to the moment. This best reflects the mood, maybe, as in society is far more fragile than we thought. Obv I am not a, since aged 10, a christian, but there is insight in centuries old hand to mouth basic truths. .  Ceoil  (talk) 21:55, 20 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes, John Tavener's beautiful 1982 setting of Blake's genius. Bob Chilcott has also composed a drifting and lilting jazz setting which appears on his 2017 All Good Things on Naxos. No records survive of Blake's own settings. It's not even clear if he ever wrote them down. A slight mystery. Here's another wonderful setting, from Soběslav in 2016, by Petr Hanzlik (Zuzana László: soprano; Táňa Klánská: guitar). Martinevans123 (talk) 16:14, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
 * The oh so gentle Spanish guitar versus a rather shrill voice dont really do it for me frankly, but I take your point. My main concern here is that youvebarely edited since the above; we need and like having you you here man. Ceoil  (talk) 16:28, 21 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Cheers mate. Sorry, just too busy, stockpiling toilet rolls and dried pasta. Martinevans123 (talk) 23:01, 21 March 2020 (UTC)


 * Bach for me, on his birthday ;) - see also and further down musing about defiance. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:04, 21 March 2020 (UTC)

Aloha
I've enjoyed our absurdly obtuse conversations on several levels, especially when one of your British references flies over my head. It was one hell of a country you apparently had in your day! Thanks for sharing your memories with this impressionable dumb Canuck, and if you have one last deep cut pun for the road, this train leaves at midnight (UTC, for some reason). InedibleHulk (talk) 03:07, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Hello, Inedible! Yes, apparently. Let's hope your connection not too delayed. Safe journey! Martinevans123 (talk) 23:35, 13 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Quite delayed, but thanks, trains are puntastic! Still fairly safe. You too, I take it. InedibleHulk (talk) 01:40, 8 April 2020 (UTC)

Going viral
Your Yoga Studio’s Updated Practices in Response to COVID-19: All front-desk staff will now wear straitjackets to avoid touching their faces
 * – Sca (talk) 17:53, 14 March 2020 (UTC)
 * Haha. Thanks Sca. Very amusing. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:39, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
 * 😂 <span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">Atsme Talk 📧 18:45, 23 March 2020 (UTC)


 * Music for you, listen if you can (perhaps again, if you did already). We sang it on 8 March. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:42, 7 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Gerda, thank you so much. How incredibly beautiful is that performance. Just breathtaking. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:44, 8 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Working on their article, with was pure promotional copyvio. I have tickets for them for end of June, - only: will they be able to come, and we to get together? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:51, 8 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Ah, that sounds wonderful, But yes, travel is still all rather uncertain for most. Let's hope things improve by then. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:20, 8 April 2020 (UTC)
 * tot - no words - he did it in the Thomaskirche yesterday, while all other performances of The Passions had to be cancelled. Had to begin his article. Btw, is this free? If not delete, of course. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:40, 11 April 2020 (UTC)
 * "Melt, my heart, in floods of tides". That is wonderful. Benedikt Kristjánsson perfectly balanced by the harpsichord and vibraphone, which just floats. Not sure about the other one from the Sophienkriche (also a wonderful performance!) Martinevans123 (talk) 08:41, 12 April 2020 (UTC)
 * ... and today Le Concert Spirituel --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:38, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Oh joyous. I might have been tempted to put 2012 in that hook, mais ça ne fait rien... formidable!! ...I see Roger Bridgland uploaded in 2014, with no complaints yet from BBC. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:52, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
 * 2012 thanks to Gareth --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:26, 22 April 2020 (UTC)
 * ... and today music for imagination in battle with thought control --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:34, 26 April 2020 (UTC)
 * A long time ago, I recommended our village watch out for sewing machines and spinning wheels. Well, the deal in the sky kept on turning, and so the full moon aligns with 28 days later. So now the important thing is remaining vigilant against rabid mutant werewolves. I know that sounds ridiculous, but so did washing my hands a month ago. Together, our pack *can* survive till the waning hours, but divided we just might! That said, now is still not the time to prick our fingers; septicemia is still Goodnight Irene, too, nevermind the novel Bloodhounds of the Amityvilles (it's not on shelves till the Harvest Moon, anyway). InedibleHulk (talk) 01:32, 8 April 2020 (UTC)
 * I seem to have confused Gerda Arendt with Ghmyrtle and Gerard von Hebel. Sorry about that. But you be careful, too! InedibleHulk (talk) 01:52, 8 April 2020 (UTC)
 * No problem, I keep confusing users a lot, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:39, 8 April 2020 (UTC)
 * c...c...c...COMMA!?! InedibleHulk (talk) 10:50, 8 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Seriousy though, your first DYK in your 2013 archive strongly suggests you were tangled in the same yarn all along, just blissfully unaware, so welcome aboard. Who names their kid "Benjamin Britten"? Honestly! InedibleHulk (talk) 11:00, 8 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Sorry, confused. My first DYK in 2013 (had to look it up, nothing I remembered, a Bach cantata) has what to do with BB? ... which led to my (admittedly unforgettable) Christmas DYK in 2013 ?? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:49, 8 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Yeah, "A Boy Was Born" "A Boy was Born". Not first chronologically, I suppose, but first a new reader sees. And a British boy, no less. Maybe it's nothing, maybe I'm looking too hard, it's happened before. I should probably listen to that song. Sorry for jumping to (vague) conclusions! InedibleHulk (talk) 23:45, 8 April 2020 (UTC)
 * I refused to have it on DYK if not spelled as the composer did: A Boy was Born. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:19, 9 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Oddly (or appropriately) enough, I also struggled deeply with that decision. Seems I chose poorly. But it's not too late to right great wrongs! InedibleHulk (talk) 21:51, 9 April 2020 (UTC)
 * . --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:03, 9 April 2020 (UTC)
 * I tried to turn Talk:Bloodmoney into Talk:BLOODMONEY back in the day, I know the feeling. If you want to try again later, I have nothing on my schedule. Who knows, maybe the world is finally ready to wake up to the way "was" really is. InedibleHulk (talk) 22:26, 9 April 2020 (UTC)
 * You saw what happened, and the fruitless discussions in 2013? - Look at Fanny Mendelssohn, for something more promising. She called herself Fanny Hensel. That doesn't matter, of course, as long as her common name is her maiden name. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:32, 9 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Hensel? No, that doesn't seem right at all. Then again, my memories of classical music (and Germany) are mainly based on Looney Tunes or Merrie Melodies. If you think that's a Fanny hill worth killing on, all the power to you! But maiden names aren't exactly grammar, and I'm more a Grammar Nazi than a genealogist. The valkyrie, thee! InedibleHulk (talk) 22:47, 9 April 2020 (UTC)


 * ... music today Credo, or this is the day from Psalm 118. What do you think about Fanny Hensel vs. Fanny Mendelssohn? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:17, 28 April 2020 (UTC)


 * Thanks, Gerda. Now listened to the Festival Casals 2017 upload. Very rich. I'm not sure abut Fanny (takes off at about 1:50), as they say, If she called herself Fanny Hensel, then maybe that's what the article should be called. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:35, 28 April 2020 (UTC)


 * Feel free to join the discussion. I said the same, but that's no argument, as long as we have Wolfgang Amadeus, who never called himself that way. I have been called potentially intimidating, so unwatched. Please report of the outcome when it happens. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:43, 28 April 2020 (UTC)


 * We'll have none of your intimidating Fanny talk here, Gerda, thank you very much! But yes, I will try to keep an eye on it. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:55, 28 April 2020 (UTC) ("Can you truss a chicken?")
 * I now see that one editor has posted a link to Grove, which seems quite strong support for one position. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:52, 2 May 2020 (UTC)


 * ... one Martin died, cellist, listen to interview a bit, - when he said that he was the last person alive to have worked with Benjamin Britten I almost cried - what a life! - no voces8 here this year, as had to be expected --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:38, 30 April 2020 (UTC)


 * Quite an achievement. A lovely interview. Pretty bright and witty for someone who was the aged 88. Not a big fan of his teacher Ivor James, it seems! Martinevans123 (talk) 19:55, 30 April 2020 (UTC)


 * a wonderful "no" ;) - as if he had learned from me --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:03, 30 April 2020 (UTC)


 * Haha, yes. I did not know that BB composed his last ever piece for the Amadeus. Martinevans123 (talk)


 * Nor did I - that's really great learning in this project, - and then that last piece got an infobox, and his other quartets, and those by Beethoven that didn't have one (but all the late ones had it) ;) - Did you know that we have no decent Beethoven portrait from around 1808? 1803, and then again 1815. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:32, 30 April 2020 (UTC)


 * Curious. I guess he was too busy wandering in the woods and glades. But here a canine lookalike from a few years later. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:56, 30 April 2020 (UTC)

Lunatic lullaby


Song for the 'supermoon' we all saw. – Sca (talk) 13:05, 9 April 2020 (UTC)

Ooooooh, thanks Sca. A harmonic masterpiece... just szings; and solo too. From 1999, apparently, but not sure where? Martinevans123 (talk) 14:20, 9 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Donno – early 2000s somewhere? Larry Campbell makes this one. He and Charlie Sexton have done a lot for the master of metaphor: "That big fat moon is gonna shine like a [https:// owlcation.com/humanities/Spooning-A-Welsh-Tradition spoon"]. – Sca (talk) 15:19, 9 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Speaking of Ska, and knowing that Bristol is practically in Wales, never knew this existed until about an hour ago:
 * omg Ceoil  (talk) 23:13, 18 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Great harmonies. 1968, wow. Bristol a bit of a trip hop paragon... inevitable, I guess. Yes, it's practically just across the garden fence. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:42, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
 * To clarify; I dont think I've ever heard bass as deep as in here Ceoil  (talk) 23:19, 18 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Cheers for that groove. Plenty of sunshine, and plenty of vibe. But I need to get a much better sound system. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:42, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Dolce Vita
As a fan of this song from possibly my favourite year in music, but not much of a fan of Ryan's moderate dancing skills in the video, I was very pleased to come across the choreographed routine you linked in this diff some years ago. A good find! Best, <b style="color: #00BFFF;">Hassocks</b> 5489 (Floreat Hova!) 21:02, 12 April 2020 (UTC)
 * That borrowed sequence still seems to fit; but hardly compares with the magic of the original number with that teasing and scintillating green voluptuousness. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:06, 13 April 2020 (UTC)

Savile video
Who is the woman on the left? I recognised Bernie Clifton, Keith Harris etc but drew a blank here.-- ♦Ian Ma c M♦  (talk to me) 14:38, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
 * I wondered the same. It can't possibly be Esther can it, I thought. But it turns out it's our Shelley, poor thing. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:00, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
 * I originally thought as well that it might be Esther Rantzen. If it is Sally Lindsay then it shows the incompleteness in my knowledge of celebrities:)-- ♦Ian Ma c M♦  (talk to me) 16:08, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
 * To be fair, I had to search Google images. She was only in Corrie for five years. Never mind Ian, we can't be expected to know every Manchester landlady. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:20, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
 * The full cast list is here and I was ok on most of them. But not Ms Lindsay.-- ♦Ian Ma c  M♦  (talk to me) 17:28, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Shucks. So not Sir Cliff, after all. What a pain. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:35, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
 * And TBH, I didn't recognise Danny Baker as the Scarecrow or Heather Mills as Dorothy from The Wizard of Oz (screenshot), but at least I've heard of them both. The death of Mahatma Gandhi in 1948 would also seem to suggest the use of a lookalike.-- ♦Ian Ma c M♦  (talk to me) 17:47, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Nah, he's still quite big in Manchester, you know. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:53, 24 April 2020 (UTC)

Blocked users
Can get further sanctions if they continue to post, so unless you want them to get a block I suggest stop responding to them.Slatersteven (talk) 11:00, 28 April 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the advice. I saw your comment at Talk:Malaysia Airlines Flight 17: "They have been blocked, so we can drop this now." and assumed they were indefinitely blocked wholesale. Then reading the notice at their talk page, I assumed they were just blocked from the article or, if they were also blocked from the Talk page, were already unable to respond. But a TBAN just relies on the editor's compliance, doesn't it. There's no preventing mechanism? Martinevans123 (talk) 11:27, 28 April 2020 (UTC)

Language joke of the day
Remember this? Well, it can also happen in Turkish. I'm off to book my holiday to the delightful Welsh fishing village of Cedwir Pob Hawl.-- ♦Ian Ma c M♦  (talk to me) 20:28, 30 April 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm sure both me and Swansea Council will never forget. And I suggest we adopt "Her Hakki Mahfuzdur" as our new Wiki Copyright Motto. There's lovely, mind you.... very posh... beats a weekend down the old Parth cyhoeddus, hands down!! Martinevans123 (talk) 21:47, 30 April 2020 (UTC) .... or even a couple of hours down at the new attractive Tirpentwys Opencast Coal Mine Resort.... (soon to turn black, one assumes.)
 * Here is a postcard from Cedwir Pob Hawl. It's a nice little place and it looks remarkably similar to Tenby.-- ♦Ian Ma c M♦  (talk to me) 06:42, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks so much. That's very convincing! But I think you'll find it's further east. Martinevans123 (talk) 06:48, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
 * p.s. with thanks to HIGNFY....

Lowry
Hello, it would be unhelpful to talk through edit summaries so thought of leaving a note here. Yes, Lowry became an RA member in 1962, but his first retrospective at the RA was only in 1976, after his death. I added it in the lead to provide some context, as otherwise the line about naive Sunday painter is just left hanging, without any resolution or giving the readers a complete idea that the view was revised, and even the establishment celebrated him later on (alas, he didn't live to see it). So, please do consider reinserting it. I enjoyed read his biography last year (by Rohde), but I've forgotten a lot of stuff. I think the article could become a lot better, particularly on his middle life/work. I'll see if I can dig out the sources and refresh my knowledge. It would be great to see this in a much better shape, and to do justice to one of the most important 20th century British artists (and a personal favourite) Thanks TerentiusNew (talk) 18:43, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Many thanks for your note, TerentiusNew. Apologies if my edit summary was a bit cryptic. I think your addition was spot on. Just needs a source. I wonder is that Rohde book available online? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:03, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I don't think it's available online, the only way to read some of it might be through snippets on Google Books here. I happen to have that and the TG Rosenthal. No worries about your crypticity (a word I just learnt to use right here! :P), I'll ensure all my edits are referenced now.. TerentiusNew (talk) 11:25, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Many thanks for the info, TerentiusNew. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:27, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

Simply Red
If you think I'm some how going to ever think this band is not contemptible, or play along with a jokey reference, even during a global pandemic in which we might all die and thus Mick Hucknoll's dreadful hair and whiney voice will be moot, you have another thing coming buddy. Ceoil (talk) 22:07, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
 * ps, do you think this bridge might cut it for an article. . Ceoil  (talk) 22:09, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Quite possibly. Good heavens that man has no shirt on. Yes, Hucknall's hair is pretty inexcusable. Martinevans123 (talk) 06:46, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
 * And just to annoy you more.... this was when they were "young" (non-remixed version). Great band. Great album. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:01, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes they were a great band, was always partial to the swing of boogie-woogie Ceoil  (talk) 19:58, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Nice thought. So glad we've got that sorted. Thank goodness, they've still got it. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:25, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
 * 45 years after I bought it, I still have my copy. Made No. 11 in UK charts. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:55, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I was deep deep into them c 1987, esp Radio-activity and Computer World era, and Thomas Dolbey (thanks Thomas for Prefab Sprout), so was ripe for the pickings when Acid House came along. Did you ever get into Kraftwerk's early Can phase; the two albums arnt very good, but their are some great live performances. Jams like Can performances, so every second or third 20 minutes is magical. Ceoil  (talk) 19:58, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Alas, I never did, being more of a Can fan pure and simple. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:19, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Never knew that even existed, it doesn't appear on many discographies? Meanwhile can I interest you in this, which to me, unintentionally blends beefheart and Martin Hannett, almost like The Invisible Girls, but before! I heard this song in 1988 at a party, but it is so obscure it too 25 years, ie youtube to bring us together again. Its as good as I remember. Meanwhile they were silently alone for setting set the scene for most of bands ex cork since the late 80s. Go figure. Ceoil  (talk) 00:02, 9 May 2020 (UTC)tt
 * Reminds me of Siouxsie and Clare. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:30, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
 * "Combinen al Captain Beefheart con los 13th Floor Elevators más bluseros junto con un poco de blues británico y tienen a Stack Waddy en su primer disco." Martinevans123 (talk) 22:32, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes, jesus. Re Alter Images, the melody for the lines before "I could be happy" remind strongly of a line used by another 80s band that I cant put my finder on, that were prob after, given my age. And when I say "remind", I mean exactly the same, ie was lifted directly. Tears for Fears, Prefab Sprout, or something like that. Ceoil  (talk) 22:57, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Oh yes. That rings a bell, actually. I wonder what it was. If only Google Search could take musical samples as search terms. Or maybe you know of another method? Martinevans123 (talk) 15:35, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

Wir fahren, fahren, fahren...
Note Florian Schneider RD nom. – Sca (talk) 16:50, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Zeichen 333 - Pfeilschild - Ausfahrt von der Autobahn, StVO 1970.svg
 * BTW, just in case you didn't know, Kraftwerk means power plant. – Sca (talk) 17:02, 7 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Ah, right. Not just soft cheese, then. You're a real model for your fellow Wikipedians, Sca. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:08, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

Tsunami
Haslett and Bryant misinterpreted the evidence, reading signs of a tsunami where there were none. Horsburgh and Horritt comprehensively debunked their theorising in the paper published in Weather. We shouldn't mislead readers into thinking there are two competing theories.<strong style="color:#555555">Pontificalibus 07:41, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi Pontificalibus. Thanks for your note. Yes, Haslett and Bryant did take quite a risk there. The word "evidence" was a bit too strong I think. I'm not really advocating misleading readers in any way. I'd suggest that Horsburgh, K.J. and M. Horritt (2006) should be used as a source at the end of the paragraph. Martinevans123 (talk) 07:53, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I had a feeling some of what I originally wrote might not have been clear, so thanks for casting another pairs of eyes over it.--08:26, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

ITN recognition for Betty Wright

 * What a shame. Far too young to go. Here she is, in 1975, on Dutch TV's TopPop: . Written by Allen Toussaint. Just superb. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:21, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks for sharing. Reminds me of my friend, conductor, she had to do a Beethoven men's chorus for Rilling at a workshop in Oregon, a piece she found a bit boring, and the singers found boring, so she dressed in bright red ;) - A little video contrib for mother's day was passed to me, and I placed it below the May flowers. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:15, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I rarely find any Beethoven boring. But I guess it's possible. Martinevans123 (talk) 07:37, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
 * It was some drinking song with banal text. Anybody watching: Monteverdi's birthday coming soon, and I want to have his vespers as good as possible. Improvements and comments welcome. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:27, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
 * ITN: did you see the stats for an article to which I added a few refs, and said not to crop off the lion's paws in the lead image? - Gives the nice feeling of having served readers ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:30, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Surely some of the cutest paws ever to grace ITN/RD. (Not counting Boo or Nigel, of course.) Martinevans123 (talk) 10:35, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
 * And 38 years later... on 2012 Jools' Annual Hootenanny... still goes out to all the fellas (... Nick Lunt - baritone saxophone). Martinevans123 (talk) 22:08, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
 * exceptional! I just used the word here. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:13, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

Elon musk scientist?
The man has a physics degree so that's why I included scientist in his intro. — Preceding unsigned comment added by LoganBlade (talk • contribs) 06:02, 12 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes, I understood your reasoning. But I think it's somewhat flawed. You think that everyone who has a physics degree is "a scientist"? I explained at Talk:Elon Musk here: "If you want to describe Musk as a "scientist" you need to provide a reliable source that uses that word. It's a simple as that. Although using just one single source might be pushing it." Do you now understand that advice? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 06:39, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

So ...
So ... Richard Branson for Elon Musk? BoJo for Trump? Deal? Or cut your/our losses and fold? Softlavender (talk) 10:21, 12 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Could we throw in Noel Edmonds for Howie Mandel?? Martinevans123 (talk) 10:25, 12 May 2020 (UTC) .... add in 500 tons of chlorinated chicken and free access to the NHS, and the deal's practically sewn up....


 * I liked Howie Mandel better when he had hair and wasn't OCD. So I'm down with that. Softlavender (talk) 10:36, 12 May 2020 (UTC)


 * And I almost tolerated Noel Edmonds before he got perched on his Lloyds Bank soapbox. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:45, 12 May 2020 (UTC)

National Pun Day
It seems today is "National Pun Day":. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:45, 15 May 2020 (UTC)


 * today is the May Mother Mary Monteverdi Day - see My talk or the Main page, Memories ... --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:56, 15 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Must be just a weird coincidence. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:26, 15 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Thank you, Martin, for article improvements in May! - DYK our list of people for whose life I'm thankful enough to improve their articles? - I have a FAC open, one of Monteverdi's exceptional works, in memory of Brian who passed me his collected sources. - Well, you know most ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:41, 17 May 2020 (UTC)


 * today a composer pictured who wrote a triple concerto for violin, harp and double bass, in honour of the composer who died and my brother who plays double bass. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:33, 26 May 2020 (UTC)


 * virtual spirited songs --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:42, 31 May 2020 (UTC)


 * I say, I say, I say, did you hear about the Welsh road sign? It said "Please drive Caerphilly". I'll get my coat.-- ♦Ian Ma c M♦  (talk to me) 07:01, 1 June 2020 (UTC)
 * well, still too lazy for the June pic: look ... for another Estonian composer, pictured the house where I met AP, below the flowers, and a great soprano who died. Planning to upload a pic of our almost empty Pentecostal church, what a difference to this, and to a crowd of 1000 gathering open air on Pentecost Monday 2000, when two choirs sang the 8-part Mendelssohn Psalm 100. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:37, 4 June 2020 (UTC)

Request
The Boz Scaggs article looks like a car crash waiting to happen. Would appreciate if you could fix the tone. Least we forget this is why he matters: The Voice and that amazing bass lick. Ceoil (talk) 00:38, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Maybe it has happened. Is the tone problematic? Martinevans123 (talk) 07:30, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I like people who don't matter - people like Tracey (can't lick bass but looks great in black PVC) , Olivia  (doesn't play an instrument but who else can sing and smile while manouevering around acrobats on roller skates?)  , Jimmy and Paul  (got the eye roll at 2:31 well and truly licked - amazing!)  ...... PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 16:13, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
 * My oh my, I can't remember the original video looking that good. Hair extensions to die for!! And Tracey certainly does matter. For one thing, a great Angela she is making, no? Olivia also looks good in black leather, I seem to remember. As for cover versions... some are timeless (hair almost as good....). Martinevans123 (talk) 16:34, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
 * p.s. misheard lyrics Vol. 43... "Emma, Emma Thynn. Gonna write your name high upon that wheelie bin.": . Martinevans123 (talk) 16:43, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

ANI
There is currently a discussion at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Saynotodrugs12 (talk) 05:35, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Non-notable passengers and crew are not generally named in articles on aircraft accidents and incidents, whether they survive or not. But I think this is more or a convention that a strict rule. I see that	CEO Zafar Masood is currently a redlink over at Bank of Punjab. Perhaps it's now time he had an article. As far as I know the other survivor, engineer Mohammad Zubair, is not mentinoed anywhere at en.Wikipedia. Here's a story about which seats they occupied on the aircraft (from a newspaper source we can't use): Martinevans123 (talk) 06:32, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
 * p.s. you may have been a little premature in opening a thread at AN/I, as the discussion you started at Talk:Pakistan International Airlines Flight 8303 has yet to run its course. You also say at AN/I "Martinevans123 only reverted once so he's not a problem for now." For now?? Martinevans123 (talk) 07:03, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

Notability
Not having an article doesn't mean non-notability (or being mentioned in an article). In fact, notability outside of Wikipedia is a criteria for a Wikipedia article on a topic being created. See WP:BLP and WP:N. People can be mentioned on case-by-case basis if they're only famous for one incidence, see WP:BLPNAME.

It's shocking I have to tell this to someone here so much longer than me, while I only read and learnt about these rules for the first time today. Saynotodrugs12 (talk) 13:09, 24 May 2020 (UTC)


 * As I asked above, what did you mean by "for now" exactly? Very sorry if you're shocked. Perhaps you think years of consensus at aircraft accident articles counts for nothing. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:13, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

I don't understand, where did I say "for now".

And no, those "years of consensus count for nothing". There are articles where victim names are included (even of crimes) even if they're famous for one incidence. You can't make up your own preferred policies over an actual policy. And you can't set up your own policy of notability. The consensus can decide on a case-by-case basis, not ban mentioning names permanently. Saynotodrugs12 (talk) 13:21, 24 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Here With a slightly obscure edit summary? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:28, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

While I do see you violating the STATUSQUO as wrong and worth mentioning, I don't see it as anything severe and thus there is no need for any action "for now". Given how long you have been here, it is still concerning. Saynotodrugs12 (talk) 13:34, 24 May 2020 (UTC)


 * Ah right, no action. What a relief. Over my single revert of your addition. I'm really not sure there's been time, even by now, for any "status quo" at that article. But sorry you are concerned. Seems I'll have to watch my step. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:39, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

The survivor names were added by you. That now you're supporting removing them means only one thing: you have little knowledge about the policies. Then there's also the problem of you being endlessly sarcastic (in a mean way). Saynotodrugs12 (talk) 13:55, 24 May 2020 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure sarcasm is a blockable offence, endless or not, or in a "mean way" or not, but you could give it a try. So, I'm in trouble for adding the names and I'm also in trouble for deleting the names. Seems I can't win. But I generally find that collaborative discussion is more productive then trying to get other editors blocked. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:06, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

Well it does imply disrespect on your part. I'm not implying you're in trouble, but your edits are disruptive. And btw I did already start a discussion long ago, the two editors have only bothered to respond just once, and that too wasn't even a discussion. According to them I'm completely wring and disruptive, and they're right. After that, they didn't bother to reply. You know that already. Before that all they did was endlessly revert. I'm the only one trying to actually discuss anything at all. Saynotodrugs12 (talk) 14:42, 24 May 2020 (UTC)


 * "My edits are disruptive". Quite a general statement there. Discussion usually involves more than one person, I've found. Good luck over at AN/I! Martinevans123 (talk) 14:50, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

I did say, "I'm the only one trying to actually discuss anything at all." When I say I started discussion, I of course mean posting the first message hoping others will join it. Of course the two users I reauested to be blocked only commented once, that too to bash me. It isn't my fault, that some users don't want to discuss. Saynotodrugs12 (talk) 15:10, 24 May 2020 (UTC)


 * You don't think a less combative approach might be more productive? Martinevans123 (talk) 15:15, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

I'm not the one who merely reverts and then doesn't bother to discuss a dispute. You're the one being combative here and the people you defend are combative too. Saynotodrugs12 (talk) 15:34, 24 May 2020 (UTC)


 * I see. First I know nothing about policy after being here for 13 years, then I'm violating the STATUSQUO, then I'm making up my own preferred policies over an actual policy, then I'm being "endlessly sarcastic (in a mean way)", and then "my edits are disruptive", and then "I'm the one being combative". Well thanks for the pep talk, Sayno. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:38, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

St Andrew’s, Weston-under-Lizard
Hope I’m not intruding on what looks like a scintillating discussion (above)! Glad you liked St Andrew’s. Elizabeth Wilbraham is an interesting character and there’s more work to be done. Hope all is well with you and yours, and between us. All the very best. KJP1 (talk) 18:15, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks so much for your note. Despite your eminently harsh scolding, yes ok, I have decided not to resign in a hissy fit yet again. Sorry if I've been too busy with my Cassianto muddy pigs lately... Martinevans123 (talk) 18:31, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm really sorry it came across as harsh. I should have worded it better. But I also have history with that particular editor, and my encounter with them led me to giving up Articles for creation, something I really enjoyed and where I thought I was making a useful contribution. I just didn't want you to go down the same path. So glad that we're good. Take care. Ever, KJP1 (talk) 20:34, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
 * S'no biggie, dude. Scintillating? Ah yes, like a wet bank holiday weekend in Porthcawl during the Cornovirus lockdown. Hope you're keeping busy too. Martinevans123 (talk)

Similarities between PIA8303 and MALEV Flight 262
Dear Martinevans123,

I understand why did you remove the link I edited to PIA8303 page, but I would kindly ask you to consider to include it. I agree that the investigation of the Pakistani accident is in a very early phase and there are too many things that could come from the analysis of flight and cockpit voice recorders, etc. I follow the news with great care and using all experience to find the reliable sources. For now I understand that PIA8303 came down "hot and high" with an extreme sink rate that could mean a long range of things and makes it too early to state what caused the tragedy, while MALEV case was a clear pilot error and skipping SOP items. But the mere facts that both planes came down fast, gear up, scratch the runway for several hundred feets then got airborne again make the two cases quite similar to attract the mind. At this point the available height and speed data from flightradar are showing the energy management issues (even though we don't know why they occured) and the landing marks on the runway and the state of the torn engine No.1 with almost intact blades and the photographic evidences from the CCTV images are supporting the likeliness of a great part of the events.

This is why I kindly ask you to consider to include the link I suggested—perhaps later when more official information is available.

Have a great day,

--HoremWeb (talk) 18:15, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

WTF
Martin, wtf is up with the ip that keeps changing the dates, and years even on "Northern Sky"? I am baffled at the triviality of it all. Ceoil (talk) 18:29, 1 June 2020 (UTC)
 * No idea. Very odd. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:33, 11 June 2020 (UTC)

Um.
On the cheers part of your talk page, at the very bottom, it seems to contain every part past that. Did you know? New3400 (talk) 21:32, 9 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Was it that one? Not sure how that happened. Cheers anyway, New3400! Martinevans123 (talk) 21:32, 11 June 2020 (UTC)

Where are you?
2-wk vacay? <span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.3em 0.6em,#BFFF00 0.8em 0.8em 0.6em;color:#A2006D">Atsme Talk 📧 15:54, 26 June 2020 (UTC)

Just saw this, and would like to ask the same thing. Your non-stop participation on Wikipedia has stopped. I hope you are well and safe. Give us a ping and let us know! Softlavender (talk) 21:59, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Indeed! I'd hate to think you were super-spreading on Barry Island ... JezGrove (talk) 22:59, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Say something, Martin.😄-- ♦Ian Ma c M♦  (talk to me) 07:15, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
 * I am fine, thanks. Sorry all that I've not been around. This 3-mnth lockdown must be causing a re-evaluation. Alas, not even tempted by a day on the slots, Jez. Too busy enjoying the resurgence of nature I guess. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:18, 27 June 2020 (UTC)


 * Ha, ha! You should have kept them guessing, Martin. Glad you'te okay. Cheers to all others posting here! Gareth Griffith-Jones (contribs) (talk) 10:24, 27 June 2020 (UTC)


 * (ec, Gareth is faster:) "period of transition": while a friend took the ultimate step of transition (""Reality as a topic, a material, remains incomprehensible because it is not real" - my rough translation of a Malevich quote she played with, actually drawing Stoff=cloth=material, - and google "Können Frauen denken?" (Can women think?") to find cherries and apples, and TAZ wrote about that image Also von tot kann nicht die Rede sein., - translate that and I'll add it to the article, - my translator program delivers 3 variations of nonsense.), so while she died, I only entered another decade while you were away, - feel invited to join my virtual party with singing, y'all. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:50, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Belated Birthday greetings, Gerda. Thanks for reminding me of that one . And here's Mr Havens from back in 2009! Martinevans123 (talk) 13:06, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
 * So good to see your post M! Take care and stay safe. MarnetteD&#124;Talk 16:47, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
 * "It feels right"! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:05, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Look!!! Up yesterday, especially for you - in German though. Saw it, and recently the same director's Salome and Carmen (Paula Murrihy!), and that was it. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:01, 27 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Unusual orchestration on that one? Looked very interesting, but has now become a bit mysterious on YT, it seems. Thanks anyway. Martinevans123 (talk) 08:37, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Good that I saw it in time ;) - Today's featured topic is a birthday. Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:48, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Ah yes. Brian was always so helpful and so very knowledgeable. Martinevans123 (talk)


 * Hi, Martin! <b style="color: red;">E</b><b style="color: blue;">Eng</b> 03:13, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Great to see your bright shining face, Martin! And I reiterate JezGrove's injunction to STAY ALERT. Softlavender (talk) 03:25, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Ah ok, not ELERT then. Martinevans123 (talk) 08:43, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
 * The world does not E more Lerts, Martin. Softlavender (talk) 09:26, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks so much Softy. "We shall fight them on the socially-distanced beaches, with our Free Atlantic Findus Cod Fish-fingers, with our home-grown citrus fruit and with our excess cholorinated chickens!" --- Winston Johnson 123 (talk) 20:46, 22 July 2020 (UTC) ... pop into your local honest British chippy.... the wee face masks are on me!
 * I thought you'd died, and that made me sad. But now it turns out you haven't died, but haven't even said hello, and that makes me mad. And sad. Sad and mad. Sad mad, lad. Bad! <b style="color: red;">E</b><b style="color: blue;">Eng</b> 00:20, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

Vandalism
The article Ennio Morricone has been vandalized, and needs a rollback. Grimes2 (talk) 20:48, 7 July 2020 (UTC)
 * I suspected as much. Be my guest. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:49, 7 July 2020 (UTC)
 * But maybe User:SchroCat might offer a second opinion. There was vandalism, but then a series of small apparently innocuous IP edits. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:10, 7 July 2020 (UTC)
 * It's not the first time this joker has reverted the news of a death. I can't remember which one it was he did it to fairly recently, but it may be worth looking at that (if I can remember it) to see if the oversighting is worth it. My thoughts are that it possibly isn't. - SchroCat (talk) 21:20, 7 July 2020 (UTC)
 * It was on Ian Holm's article. It was oversighted then either. - SchroCat (talk) 21:25, 7 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Also Thomas Welder? Geolocates to Pomona, it seems. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:29, 7 July 2020 (UTC)
 * That's the one. If it continues it may be worth asking if a range block is worthwhile, if it isn't too wide. - SchroCat (talk) 21:32, 7 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Agree. Also happened for Anna and Bernhard Blume, Nicolas Joel and two more, - all having in common to have been mentioned on RD. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:34, 7 July 2020 (UTC)
 * That vandalism was restored by a user User:Praisethelord03 who is blocked. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:38, 7 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Ah yes, "Praise the Lord and Pass the Socks". Martinevans123 (talk) 21:41, 7 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Another one with a similar name came to revert on Morricone, but - intended or not - "unverted" only some author names, the last edit happening that is, and immediately reverted by SchroCat. PtLs seem to be worse in English than I am. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:45, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

ITN recognition for Ennio Morricone
I had added SchroCat and you and some more to the credits, but it seems that the template takes only 3. Everybody feeling they deserve it, please simply copy. - Martin, we have this joke especially for you (but I'm not sure it translates well enough): Two geese meet, says one "de:Spiel mir das Lied vom Tod" (the German title of C'era una volta il West, and literally: "Play the song of death for me"), and the other sings "Sankt Maaaatin, Sa-ankt Maaaatin" - see? - Completely different topic: Did you know that I was afraid that Mathsci wouldn't edit again? But. - We sang at church (St. Martin) last Sunday, first time since March, pictured on my talk, - made me write a new article about enlightenment ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:40, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Haha yes I do see. In fact that was so funny, I laughed all the way to Thanksgiving. I guess it's a lot funnier in German!? I've been on quite a few tours, but I've never yet met a singing goose. Glad to hear Matchsci is still about. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:43, 8 July 2020 (UTC) p.s. and so very pleased you are once again able to sing! This one, by the Nederlandse Bachvereniging, at Walloon Church, Amsterdam, looks legit, how beautiful: Jos van Veldhoven, conductor; Maria Keohan, soprano; Tim Mead, alto; Daniel Johanssen, tenor; Matthew Brook, bass.


 * Lovely. Today is a birthday, of a great woman born in the 19th century, flowers and music and memory, - good song about the year at its height even on the Main page. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:25, 22 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you, Gerda. And here's some Tin Thistle fur ya, me wee Germin lassie.... from North of the Border, naturally..... "Och aye the noo!!" Martinevans123 (talk) 19:44, 22 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Good day: Monteverdi's operas became a featured topic! ... exactly 10 years after both Brian and I were declared awesome ;) - Leon Fleisher died, which is sad, but the collaborative which made his article ready for the Main page was great joy. Ready? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:15, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Too tired to open August. I wanted to create Moop Mama but too tired. Perhaps you can help? - the de article is little help - listen: 5dlAPLV_iT0 --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:01, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Hmmm. Sounds interesting! Not your average Bach cantata, Gerda! Here they are with some live footage. Great brass. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:25, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
 * If you look at my list (linked from July), you see their Meermenschen, + Dylan, Fitzgerald et al: --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:12, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
 * aI gave it a start, - the festivals are missing, infobox, wayback references (which don't translate, need manual attention), also haven't checked refs yet ... - need food first. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:36, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Looks good already. Sorry, no idea how to manual fix non-English language wayback refs! Martinevans123 (talk) 11:28, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the Appreciation
Thank you for appreciating the changes in Coleman Frog page. You have a great user page. If you have time, will you please check out, the other pages that I will be editing. I also would like to ask, as a new user, if you are not bothered, can i seek some help from time to time! --AranyaPathak (talk) 19:04, 22 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you so much, AranyaPathak. Of course, I'll be glad to help you if I can. Please feel free to ask from time to time! Martinevans123 (talk) 19:22, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the response, i will definitely use this opportunity, regards --AranyaPathak (talk) 19:50, 22 July 2020 (UTC)

Hi, can you please check the page Devil Bird (link of revision history page) have no idea why all the edits I did yesterday are being deleted, can you please give me some inputs in it, thanks in advance. --AranyaPathak (talk) 06:25, 23 July 2020 (UTC)


 * Hello AranyaPathak. I'm not sure either, as you seem to have provided good sources. Perhaps the editor who reverted will reply to your question at Talk:Devil Bird and explain more what they mean by "Orally transmitted narratives". Regards. p.s. I have added your signature to your Talk page post. Martinevans123 (talk) 07:14, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

Harry Dunn
Re this edit: that paragraph contains a quote from Donald Trump: "go to Europe and the roads are opposite." That's clearly nonsense - most of Europe drives on the right, with only the UK and Ireland on the left. I thought showing the map would make that clear without running into POV issues. Feel free to adjust the text or caption if you can think of a way to make the relevance clearer, or remove the map entirely if you like. <b style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: maroon;">Modest Genius</b> talk 17:03, 23 July 2020 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure that The Donald needs any help from Wikipedia to demonstrate how stupid he is. I wonder if he's actually forgetten how to drive at all by now. But I see your point. :) Martinevans123 (talk) 17:50, 23 July 2020 (UTC)

Peter
Some fALL fan on my twitter feed asked today what rock musician would you most like to be stuck with on a 20 hour flight....best reply was Nick Drake. Ha, least he wouldn't be bothering with small talk. anyway, shame about Peter Green RIP, though was never on his side in those romance battles. Ceoil (talk) 16:15, 26 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Are you sure you're not thinking of Mick and John?! Yes, sad that he's gone. But oh well.... Martinevans123 (talk) 16:47, 26 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Opps. My mistake, Although I love albatross and that, and always bought into the the acid casualty/recluse persona, am so far on team Nicks re the 1970s incarnation, I could care less about the others. Anyway, [hangs head], yes he was way before that, and a rather dignified man. RIP Peter Green. Ceoil  (talk) 21:28, 26 July 2020 (UTC)

Caverswall Castle
Hi Martin. Thanks for your edits on this article - much appreciated.  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 07:09, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi there. You're very welcome. A few very modest contributions. I've always fancied getting a Licence to crenellate. Martinevans123 (talk) 07:50, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

Silly season
More assonance FYI. It also reminds me of this... Andrew🐉(talk) 10:39, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Hah! Thanks so much for telling me. You sure do put the ass in assonance. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:05, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

Orphaned non-free image File:Found a Job.ogg
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 * What a shame. A great track. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:34, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

August 2020
There is currently a discussion at Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is LouiseFeb1974. Thank you. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  12:23, 3 August 2020 (UTC)

Dispute you are involved in
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Editor_is_being_hostile_towards_edits_they_don't_like_and_trying_to_give_a_hard_time 91.197.129.74 (talk) 22:17, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Resolved. Ian.thomson (talk) 22:44, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you for your prompt action. Martinevans123 (talk) 06:41, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

Caleb Rees
Thanks very much for your edits on this and my other efforts. Just looking at your 'assuming this was the name of a dwelling, now lost ' comment - I took the 'Esgair-ordd' from WDB who presumably sourced it from Caleb's first census appearance in 1891 aged 7 at the address. I did find this family member's archived internet page though which has pictures of the current Rees residence in Whitechurch (2 Calebs born there apparently) as it is now and also as it was in 1865 on a photo supplied by Caleb Rees of Laugharne. It is identified as follows ''"First we went to Rhos Fach (the farm house where Caleb Rees was born) [..] This is Rhos Fach. (picture) The 1841 census listed my 3xGreat Grandparents William and Mary Rees and ten children, including my 2xGreat Grandfather Caleb Rees at Rhos Fach." ''and I'm now wondering whether to change the name in the article and diverge from WDB - citing the 1841-91 census returns not the weblink, your thoughts would be appreciated. Horatius At The Bridge (talk) 13:36, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi Horatius. Yes, "First we went to Rhos Fach (the farm house where Caleb Rees was born)" sounds rater definitive, doesn't it. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:41, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
 * But one might expect a census return to be more reliable than a WP:SPS. Dr Mary Auronwy James ought to know her stuff, didn't she? It seems she was born in 1932, but I'm not sure she is still around to ask. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:50, 9 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Two contemporary Caleb Rees' from Whitechurch - confirmed from census records. Made contact with Virginia webpage owner to confirm. No change WDNB 1 USA 0 Horatius At The Bridge (talk) 12:44, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Well, that's a surprise. Well done for checking. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:46, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
 * I now have an extra resource, the Dr Mary Auronwy James I tried contact about this was  born in 1919 and died 2004 - so now you've found another I can badger in her dotage if other discrepancies turn up !  Horatius At The Bridge (talk) 12:54, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Haha, well I only assumed she was the right one. Another distinctive name that seems to be duplicated in a small (academic) region!? How very confusing.... Martinevans123 (talk) 13:24, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
 * As a postscript, (because I believe you also have an affection for the land of our fathers) you may find this short article by Caleb Rees from 1933 about his great uncle Caleb Rees of interest. Think it explains the dodgy link to Rhos Fach by the current US branch of his family. Sadly it's difficult to squeeze into his article Horatius At The Bridge (talk) 19:07, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks so much. Great to see it spelled Wrecsam.
 * "A prominent Welsh minister travelling home one night was greatly annoyed when a young man much the worse for drink came and sat next to him on the bus.
 * “Young man,” he declared, “do you not realise you are on the road to perdition?”
 * “Oh, hell,” replied the drunkard. “I could have sworn this was the bus to Llanelli."
 * Martinevans123 (talk) 19:20, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
 * :-) Like it Horatius At The Bridge (talk) 19:26, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Not forgetting one of my other favourite Welsh (even though a lowly loan) words....Snwcer!! Martinevans123 (talk) 20:34, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

No
Not harsh at all. I blocked them because it wasn't the first time; see this range block. Drmies (talk) 15:08, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes, I had guessed that. Seconds away from an edit conflict! "Great minds" etc.... Martinevans123 (talk) 15:41, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

Rebus
Saw this on Iri's talkpage, but it really belongs here:. -- Softlavender (talk) 11:59, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Ha! How very amusing. Deep lolness situation. Seems John Tansey is a kindred spirit! Nice edit. Note sure why Blackwell name checks Chatteris. But it's a lovely little town, innit! Martinevans123 (talk) 12:13, 13 August 2020 (UTC) p.s. DI John says "Hi!" the noo .... and not forgetting DCI Jim Taggart in the Maryhill CID of Strathclyde Police!!

I am astonished
after all this time - you havent been put on a rocket heading for beteljuice, or... trust all is well. JarrahTree 12:31, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Just on my way back, in fact. But return travel from Beatlejuice now requires a two-week period of self-isolation. "I laughed all the way to the Netherworld" --- Matt Hancock, London. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:39, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
 * there is a certain sense of enjoyment delightfully insane sense of a mix of Ivor Cutler and Edmund Gorey and of course those whom you link - that you are here despite everything - keep it up sir! whatever it may be... JarrahTree 12:44, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
 * very sorry I have no interest in pursuing the aspects of living in lift wells for extended time periods - the sense of vogon poetry was to attempt to avert lengthy discussion of the all the permutations of what can be done (or not) with tags related to the project.  No harm intended. JarrahTree 12:50, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
 * the little grey cells arent as functioning as in full power as in the past - was what we engaged in the vaieties of the propsect of the fate of the espionage and intellgigence projects so manymany years ago ? JarrahTree 12:53, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
 * If only I could remember. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:55, 14 August 2020 (UTC)


 * you too ? that is so manyyears ago... and we are still here... JarrahTree 12:57, 14 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Sorry, no. I have in fact been replaced by a replicant and sent back in time to wreck Wikipedia with COVID-19, while there's still time. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:02, 14 August 2020 (UTC)


 * never apologise for such adventures, there is always the delighteful potential to be an eviscerated zarniwoop  mixed up ina room full of vogon underwear... JarrahTree 13:06, 14 August 2020 (UTC)


 * "'ere, Jarah me ol' china....I caught them three little pigs in the back of me death cab the uvver nite.... nicking skulls for all they was worth an' all.... String 'em up, I say. It's the only Talk page language they understand. Innit." Martinevans123 (talk) 13:15, 14 August 2020 (UTC)

Hey Jude
"Take a sad song, and make it... a masterpiece". Martinevans123 (talk) 16:35, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Great! Gareth Griffith-Jones (contribs) (talk) 16:46, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
 * RIP Julian. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:48, 14 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Amen. Also a dear woman in the family, and too young. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:46, 15 August 2020 (UTC)


 * Thanks, Gerda. Yes, some lovely flowers for the dead seems a much nicer idea than skulls. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:10, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Seen yesterday. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:30, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
 * no comment? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:17, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
 * That's your suggestion for a replacement? Martinevans123 (talk) 12:18, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
 * There are discussions I try at almost all cost to not take part in. Mozart was an exception. Another display of our welcoming culture, grrrr. Left me speechless, not only because I reached the 2 comments I allow myself from time to time. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:58, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

... but here's for lighter summer fare, and a good promotion concept - sickening to remember though how the author died, and the illustrator had to emigrate (to success). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:02, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

... more bragging, a first for me today: a featured list (= a featured topic in this case) on the Main page, see Main Page history/2020 August 21, an initiative by Aza24 in memory of Brian. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:33, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

... and still moar: MP 24 August has one of "my places" (click on August) pictured. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:29, 24 August 2020 (UTC)

I wouldn't mind if by some miracle Moop Mama was referenced enough for DYK when I return from a bike tour ... - had to deal with a proposed deletion instead. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:35, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

"And now the weather...."
Why is it as soon as I cross the border into Wales it starts to piss it down? <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  16:38, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Don't worry Threesie, it's not just you.... Prince Mark's got it sorted, 'special for all you English folk, in place of an index-linked toll.
 * "In the Bible, God made it rain for 40 days and 40 nights...."
 * "That’s a pretty good summer for Wales."
 * Cayo-Evans 123 (talk) 19:50, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Amusing how you basically follow Ritchie's trip through his Wikipedia edits...-- P-K3 (talk) 12:49, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Ha! Well, I guess that's how roads work.... but I do hope he keeps his eyes on the road occasionally. (That bit by Talgarth can be a bit dodgy!) 13:18, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

Death
Martin Evans, it has recently come to my attention that you are alive, and so will someday die. As such I am tagging your talk with this. If this causes you distress, that's your own problem. Ceoil (talk) 00:40, 16 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Eeeewww... that first one you posted was bad enough. Martinevans123 (talk) 08:33, 16 August 2020 (UTC)
 * hahah - the vogon poetry is on repeat, is on repeat, is on repeat, I'll say it again, the vogon poetry in on repeat, is on repeat. In some cultural contexts (guess which) repetition like that is an assertion of 'proof'... JarrahTree 09:34, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Dear Mr Tree. I was travelling on a bus last night and a perfect stranger happened to come and sit down at a (suitably socially-distanced) seat and strike up conversation about the global COVID pandemic. Naturally, our discussions soon turned to skull images on Wikipedia project banners. Apparently they are entirely suitable and no-one ever complains about them. In fact, they are accepted as a "universal symbol of death" (even on the "rather boisterous" late-night service to Pontarddulais...) So I think that's decided then. Reg "On The Buses" Varney 123 (talk) 09:49, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Just a reminder, you appear to be alive again this time, but the skull's still ticking, eyes evershifting, to, fro, to, fro...no wait, that was that black cat clock from that one show once! The point remains, as go the trains, mee-ow, mee-ow, mee-ow...Happy Halloween, better late than never, try to enjoy the moonlight! InedibleHulk (talk) 05:13, 27 December 2020 (UTC)

September
I like today's Main page, with the TFA on the anniversary day (of both dedication and our concert), a DYK, and a great photographer who didn't make it soon enough, Jürgen Schadeberg, - more on my talk, mostly about the tribute to Brian who shared his sources. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:07, 1 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks so much, Gerda. A very interesting article. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:42, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
 * I'd like a Walsdorf Salad, all washed down with lashings of hot screwdriver. <b style="color:#7F007F">Ritchie333</b> <sup style="color:#7F007F">(talk) <sup style="color:#7F007F">(cont)  12:40, 4 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Ah, you must mean that American dish. I'm just the herbie seasoning to Gerda's divine inspiration -- ¿Que 123? (talk) 18:34, 4 September 2020 (UTC)
 * The next person died too soon, Birol Ünel, and then a reliable source has to speak about him not paying fines. A shame, on top of another article that was tagged for no references. Help welcome. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:18, 4 September 2020 (UTC)
 * The next person died to soon, Jerome Kohl. No words. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:43, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
 * That's very sad news indeed. Jerome's knowledge of music was so extensive and his edits were always careful and considered. One of the best content creators. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:56, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
 * say that his talk? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:05, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
 * In contrast: matching colours music to the Dahlias, "brute loud and secretly quiet". - The music (specifically "Meermenschen") was given to me for my birthday. A funeral in 2 days. Brute. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:16, 15 September 2020 (UTC)

Holy God
Just found this I'm amazed; so thats where sonic youth and King Missile came from. Had known their (superior) version of rain, but blown away here. Ceoil (talk) 21:10, 5 September 2020 (UTC)

Death of Harry Dunn
Hello. I thought you may be interested to comment at Talk:Death_of_Harry_Dunn.Ali Beatriz (talk) 12:48, 6 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Ali Beatriz. I'm really not sure what the difference is between a Red Notice and a Red Diffusion Notice. The source provided by User:Burrobert doesn't seem to provide any clarity that anything was definitely issued. The original source of the claim seems to be The Mail on Sunday, with all those other media outlets just re-reporting it? If this was in a private email to Dunn's parents, the newspaper must have had their permission to publish it. The Northamptonshire Police later denied it was ever made, so perhaps they made a mistake; yes, there are less sources reporting the denial, but perhaps because it wasn't such headline-grabbing news. Perhaps the best we could do would be to include a narrative, along the one of "The Mail on Sunday reported that.... but this was later denied by the Northamptonshire Police...". I think DeFacto is right to err on the side of caution, unless/ until clearer or more definitive sources could be found. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:03, 7 September 2020 (UTC)

Falling off chair
Dear Martin, hello, it's been a while. Sorry to pop up and besmirch your lovely page out of the blue like this but I absolutely had to share this with someone: brave editor corrects another bizarre claim about the Royal Family bless 'em. Or is it just me that finds it amusing? Sheesh. Hope you're well. DBaK (talk) 17:34, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes, how very bizarre! A very wise correction. Maybe he had some unofficial ones? Am well, thanks. Good you see you around again. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:59, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Ah bother, I wish I had thought of that! Cheers DBaK (talk) 21:16, 9 September 2020 (UTC)

October harvest
music, - enchanting, said a critic about the Mendelssohn, - this video is older, and the YT in the article comes with a Bach encore, as she played for us. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:05, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the link, Gerda! Martinevans123 (talk) 19:23, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Would you think this video is free? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:39, 25 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Beautiful Main page today, don't miss the pic by a blocked user (of a 2013 play critical of refugee politics), nor a related video, interviews mostly German, but music and scene. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:52, 29 October 2020 (UTC)
 * ... and Paula Murrihy! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:12, 29 October 2020 (UTC)

... and groove
ལྕེ --Everly Sedated Brothers (talk) 11:22, 16 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Not the brothers I was expecting. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:53, 8 January 2021 (UTC) ...."one of the most useful things my tongue offers....

Martin!!
Where are you? Are you ok? <span style="text-shadow:#F8F8FF 0.2em 0.2em 0.2em,#F4BBFF -0.2em -0.2em 0.2em,#BFFF00 0.4em 0.4em 0.5em;color:#A2006D"> Atsme 💬 📧 22:27, 12 November 2020 (UTC)

I, too, hope that all is well with you, and that we'll see you around soon. --Tryptofish (talk) 22:42, 16 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes, indeed. You’ve been unusually quiet, Martin. Hoping all is well with you and yours. KJP1 (talk) 08:16, 18 November 2020 (UTC)
 * I would like to add my voice to these messages. And do a funny little dance, with a hat on, but that's just me. Hope you're "all good" comme on dit. DBaK (talk) 08:42, 18 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Me too. Martin, where are you????  Come back! You are missed.  (Hope you're ok, of course.) JSFarman (talk) 17:48, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

Civil parish bot
Hi. You seem to have been left off an original ping list for this one. Your involvement in place articles could suggest you might interested in this topic. Thanks. See:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_England/Parishes_RfC Acabashi (talk) 14:31, 19 November 2020 (UTC)

ArbCom 2020 Elections voter message
miss you --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:35, 30 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Martin - a couple of months now. An uneasy feeling that you may not be well. Look after yourself. KJP1 (talk) 21:14, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

Kitten mitten
Hi Martin, I hope all is well with you! Please show your face and let us know. Please take care, Softlavender (talk) 22:00, 12 December 2020 (UTC)


 * Indeed, it would be really good to know that everything is OK! JezGrove (talk) 22:11, 12 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes, goddammit, you old sod. <b style="color: red;">E</b><b style="color: blue;">Eng</b> 05:14, 13 December 2020 (UTC)
 * I just received an email reply from Martin - he says "Yes, I am ok, thanks. Sorry have not been around for a while. Just having a bit of a rest." That's a relief! JezGrove (talk) 10:19, 13 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Haha I just got the same email reply after emailing him. He must be getting loads of worried wiki emails. ;-) . Softlavender (talk) 10:27, 13 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes. My diagnosis is that he escaped briefly and sent a few emails but was then recaptured and is once again "helping the Illuminati with their enquiries". DBaK (talk) 11:11, 13 December 2020 (UTC)
 * And I got a "thanks" notification from him. I'm so glad to learn that things are OK. And frankly, I should follow his good example and find something better to do than to keep looking in on this website. --Tryptofish (talk) 19:20, 13 December 2020 (UTC)
 * You mean we should get an actual life?! (Although with my puny edit count perhaps I already have one, but failed to notice in this miserable year - roll on 2021!) JezGrove (talk) 19:33, 13 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Naw, just that I should! --Tryptofish (talk) 19:39, 13 December 2020 (UTC)


 * ... for all who could use some songs of courage and good company under a rainbow --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:02, 13 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Have a good new year 2021! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:15, 31 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks for that one, Gerda. Quite a few versions on YT. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:25, 31 December 2020 (UTC)

Beethoven 250 years
The birthday display! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:21, 16 December 2020 (UTC)


 * This posted January 2020 by Jiří Pazour. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:53, 7 January 2021 (UTC)

(Season's Greetings)



 * X
 * <font color="#006633">  Merry Christmas & Happy New Year


 * X


 * 'Frohe Weinachten und
 * 'alles gute zur neuen Jahr!


 * 'Wesołych Świąt i
 * 'Szczęśliwego nowego roku!


 * 'Linksmų Kalėdų ir
 * laimingų Naujųjų Metų!


 * – Sca (talk) 17:43, 22 December 2020 (UTC)

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 * Many thanks, Sca. A very Happy Christmas to you too. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:56, 26 December 2020 (UTC)

WikiProject Ricky Martin invitation
آرمین هویدایی (talk) 19:23, 6 March 2021 (UTC)


 * What's this? Your special Christmas Canvas?? Martinevans123 (talk) 23:57, 20 March 2021 (UTC)

Slow as Christmas!!

 * Haha. Thanks so much, Atsme. A very Happy Christmas and New Year to you too. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:58, 26 December 2020 (UTC)

Happy Holidays

 * Thank you so much for your holiday wishes, Modernist. Season's Greetings to you too. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:00, 26 December 2020 (UTC)

Best wishes for the holidays

 * [[File:Don Silvestro dei Gherarducci - Nativity, in an initial P - Google Art Project.jpg|100px|right]]Thank you so much Ceoil. Very best wishes for Christmas and the New Year to you and yours also. Yes, hopefully we will. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:01, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Always great to see you around Martin. ps, as a professional Welshman, you might enjoythis. Its a pity Brydon's Annually Retentive didnt get its due, have been looking for 10 years for copies on youtube, vemo, torrents...and nuffink.  Ceoil  (talk) 12:36, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks Ceoil, haha, yes his Captain Bligh is pretty good. I do remember some of those, but didn't see them all. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:14, 31 December 2020 (UTC)
 * I would check them out further; there are some scenes, especially with Rhys Ifans, that beggar the mind in cringe comedy. Glad to see it was Sharon Horgan's first breakout. Ceoil  (talk) 01:41, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

No pressure
... and not even any smartarse comments an ting, but I just wanted to say that I am very pleased that you have edited recently again in this magnificent ermmm brain factory, which is less fun with you more quiet. No pressure though. Cheers DBaK (talk) 11:54, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Thank you so much, DBaK. All the very best seasonal wishes to you and yours. Let's hope 2021 is better for all. Martinev:ans123 (talk) 12:04, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Amen to that. (And Google translate tells me that the word is also "amen" in Welsh, which comes as quite a surprise and a bit of disappointment to me. I had rather hoped for something with about twenty consonants and zero vowels, as opposed to two of each.) --Tryptofish (talk) 22:11, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes, never mind. Etymologically it seems it goes back at least as far as Biblical Aramaic. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:18, 31 December 2020 (UTC) p.s. and if you're looking for lots letters in a place name forget about that one in Anglesey...
 * Wow! That's all I can say. (Except I wouldn't dare try to say it!) --Tryptofish (talk) 21:29, 31 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi Martin, Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year. I rely on you to edit my favourite articles while I am doing other things.😀-- ♦Ian Ma c M♦  (talk to me) 08:09, 31 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Hi Ian, and a Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you too. Ah yes, raindrops on roses, whiskers on kittens, etc. Thanks for the reminder. 😀 Martinevans123 (talk) 11:30, 31 December 2020 (UTC)

It's that Hotel California feeling
Happy New Year, Gareth Griffith-Jones (contribs) (talk) 11:35, 31 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in. It's happening again, Martin, and you tried your damnedest to keep away.


 * Hi there Gareth. I do hope you are keeping safe and well. Yes, I know just what you mean. But I found a very robust rumba flamenca version on line (it's on their 1992 album Cover, apparently.) "Por el camino del desierto, El viento me despeina"... A very Happy New Year to you too. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:56, 31 December 2020 (UTC)

Gareth Griffith-Jones (contribs) (talk) 18:44, 31 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Yes, wind can be a problem, but I am very well and keeping to the rules. All the best!

Hi Martin, thanks for keeping an eye on John Keats. I am not on WP any more, but the article looks in pretty good shape. I appreciate your continued work on the poetry articles. Happy New year to you. Anna (talk) 01:51, 2 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Hi Anna. Many thanks for the message. 😀 Sorry to see you retired. I'll try to continue watching the Keats article. Also Ted Hughes Award perhaps. A very Happy New year to you too. Best wishes, Martinevans123 (talk) 15:47, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

Especialy your link to wind.Gareth Griffith-Jones (contribs) (talk) 17:25, 2 January 2021 (UTC) Gareth Griffith-Jones (contribs) (talk) 12:58, 3 January 2021 (UTC) Gareth Griffith-Jones (contribs) (talk) 13:32, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Martin! The holly and the crystals are excellent.
 * Ah yes. "Will this wind be so mighty as to lay low the mountains of the earth??" Martinevans123 (talk) 23:11, 2 January 2021 (UTC) (illicit video clip available in the usual diabolical place).
 * We could employ some of those secret police as mask wardens around here.
 * Good idea. Although in Rotherham, they might have to prove they're really unemployed? Martinevans123 (talk) 13:24, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
 * P'haps because of this.
 * Would they be able to just tow your car away? Martinevans123 (talk) 13:49, 3 January 2021 (UTC)